1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,559 Speaker 1: The pressure immediately on at Carlton as Michael Voss disavows 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: the past and pledges to bring on the future. A 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: crucial night for the Brisbane Lions as they try to 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: limit the fallout from their season, open up with two. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: Cases before the tribunal, and Zach. 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: Merrick returns to the desk, scout from the tumult of 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: a failed trade requests and in prospect of ninety thousand 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: at the MCG on Friday nights. 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: I see the players today. 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: Can you help me on on three sixty one? 11 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: Are aware of that conversation? 12 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 4: Yeah? 13 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 5: I don't live under a rock, and. 14 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: The reality is now that the gloves are off course 15 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 2: fair and luck. 16 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 5: More, a fine job is pretty clear, like Hawthorne when 17 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 5: it would be very good at Hide and Seek. 18 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: Me sure, I think that? 19 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 3: Okay, Carlott, follow Marco. I can't have that idea. 20 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 2: What do you want us to play? 21 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: Worse? 22 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: When it caught my eye. 23 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 5: And mustang that all right, it's just the greatest prize 24 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 5: that first I look. 25 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: At it, she said, there's a dent in that cap, 26 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: look it? 27 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 6: Sure enough? There is. 28 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: There is breaking news this Tuesday Night, with Mitch Cleary 29 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: revealing that Hawthorne Power, Dylan Moore and Conor McDonald's spent 30 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 1: some nights in an Arizona lockup after being arrested late 31 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: last year when drunken hygiens spelled the wrong side of 32 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: the law. There are trespassing charges that are still pending 33 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: to be heard later this year and it costs more 34 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: the vice captaincy at the Hawks. What are your first thoughts, 35 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: Gary Line, howho Jared rookie mistake? 36 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: I'd say from a footy club that gets most things right, 37 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: this is needed to be addressed. First night back of 38 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 2: pre season post Christmas, put them both up in front 39 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: of the media and explain what happened. These two knuckleads 40 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: have done this. He's going to lose the vice captaincy 41 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: as a result of it, which is serious enough, and 42 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: they've got six weeks to win back some respect to 43 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: think they can hide it or hold it back. So 44 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: here we are on the eve of a big Friday 45 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: night game, having dropped their first game, and the news 46 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: comes out and we've got to deal with it. So 47 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: had they done that, the Australian Open takes the headlines, 48 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: go off and get training and we don't worry about 49 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: it and Look, it's not a hanging a fence, but 50 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: they've made it blue and bad blue and Hawthorn have 51 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 2: accascerbated it by trying to keep it quiet. Lookie Era. 52 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 3: So Will Day is part of our players night tonight. 53 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: Say he's pretty tight with Dylan Moore, so we'll get 54 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: Will's thoughts. He's alongside Zach Merritt. 55 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 3: So if you go to your laundry list for Chamberlin, I. 56 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: Have indeed, I've got many many things I need to 57 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: talk to Roy about. 58 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it. Top of the agenda. 59 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: Carlton was destined to live twenty twenty six and the 60 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: pressure cooker, and it has come early. All would have 61 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: hoped for a stay of proceedings longer than round one, 62 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: but for all sorts of reasons, Michael Voss is fielding 63 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: the questions in the build up. So Thursday Night against 64 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: the Tigers. 65 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 2: And thes Baker statements to kick off the season in 66 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, we're beginning again. 67 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: That's what you do need to know. 68 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 4: So I'll be pretty strong on that through these conversations 69 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 4: and anything by talk with the players. So I don't 70 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: spend a hell of a lot of time focusing or 71 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 4: sharing what others say about us. What I do is 72 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 4: reinforce the behavior as we need. I mean, things get tough, 73 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 4: we stick together. So that's what we'll do. 74 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: It break down, breakdown system, had a breakdown efforts. 75 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: And trying to play a style that just doesn't suit 76 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 2: this group. 77 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 4: It's going to be I think, a difficult year for 78 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 4: the Blues and Macroboss. 79 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: But that does some real problems, real problems, and this 80 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: group's not doing it. 81 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 4: You expect us to be able to fight better than that, 82 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 4: so we let ourselves down that I'd imagine we're going 83 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 4: to have some imperfection in that in early days there 84 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 4: may be moments of break but at those particular times, 85 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 4: what we do expect is that we stick together as 86 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 4: a footy team and it might not look perfect, but 87 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 4: we've got to fight more through those moments and we 88 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 4: want to get our first, first win on the board 89 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 4: in front of our home crowd. 90 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: It does serve to demonstrates that he is going to 91 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: coach under the most ferocious pressure. 92 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: That only winning can relieve. 93 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the thing that they need to look 94 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: at is they've got a magnificent opportunity to do exactly 95 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: that and right a few wrong from last year in 96 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: the process. On Thursday night, I did the one on 97 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: one with FOSSi. We all did different coaches, and one 98 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: of the things he said at the best and first, 99 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: which he alluded to today in his pressure in his press, 100 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: was that we culturally defeat ourselves. And I asked him 101 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: about it. I'm really interested about that, and then he 102 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: threw this up as a classic example from within. They 103 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: have started, not started to imply, but they've made issues 104 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: for themselves after one game of footy. It's incredible that 105 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: we're sitting here and regardless deep as we are on 106 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: a game of footy that not many people expected them 107 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: to win first place, as you rightly pointed out last night. 108 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: So I think it was instructive on the dockerty rant, 109 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: which never should have been made public. But there it 110 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: is to be dissected that he did defer to the 111 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: culturally defeated at the first sign of trouble. 112 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 3: He's had a group that's. 113 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: Shrinks or fractures and part of the task of the 114 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: off season. So it's clear that there are two levels 115 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: of change. One was well, the first thing was personnel, 116 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: and then there's style and character and then what's happened 117 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: in the changes in the environment. They'll hope that the 118 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: negative influences have been weeded out and that those who 119 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: remain will be more resilience and more united when the 120 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: challenges come. 121 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: So are you looking upon Sam Dougherty as someone from 122 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: within or from someone on the outside? 123 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: So now on the outside. 124 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: But there was no misreading what Voss said is there 125 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: was clearly a core of players within the locker room 126 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: that would go into a tailspin or fracture or whatever 127 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: that dynamic is that broke the unity and the resilience 128 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: of the group, and there are players who have left. 129 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: That was the only way to read what Voss has said. 130 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: So he simply wasn't coppying what was coming. Is Dockety's 131 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: are respect to figure across the football world, but you 132 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: didn't have to read too far behind the lines and 133 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: suggests that he and and that were probably negative forces 134 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: within the environment. 135 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's an accurate description of it. And 136 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 2: now we need to say, Okay, you've replaced them, have 137 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: you replaced them with the right type? And it's way 138 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: too early to pass the judgment. So yes, I think 139 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: it's interesting that those comments were made about players that 140 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: held positions of great significance, and I think Charlie Kerno 141 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: is one of those as well. I think that's been 142 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: clearly stated over the off season from those in the know. 143 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: So now we've got to see whether the replacements are 144 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: made of the right stuff. And that's that's the challenge 145 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: for Thursday Night. 146 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: And Voss's job hinges on whether he can bring, of course, 147 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: the next wave through style wise and culture. 148 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: And he does it with the background of this Craig 149 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: McCrae story that's the real or not and the question 150 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: marks that they raise. I don't think Michael Voss would 151 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: look at that really pragmatically. I think I don't know 152 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: whether they're real or not. But if before they recommitted 153 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: to Michael they wanted to have a look around because 154 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: they had some doubts, and clearly they did, otherwise they 155 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: would have knocked it on the head really early. And 156 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: if they had to look around and they pose the 157 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: question to Craig McCrae and he said no, well, I 158 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: don't think that's going to upset VOSSI what would upset 159 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: him is if they reappointed him and then went to 160 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: Craig McCrae. So the timing of that is the only 161 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: interesting thing for me. 162 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: And how does he win the next contract because this 163 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: is not a team that's set up to win right now. 164 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: So what are the parameters that have been put in place? 165 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: He spoke about the team in round one would be 166 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: different to the one in round six and round fifteen 167 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: and the progress that he had to show with this 168 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: team along the way. 169 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he puts his faith in graing right now 170 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: and to be able to read the list and read 171 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: what they're capable of and to not knee jerk on 172 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: the back are getting blown out of the water by 173 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: a side that is much better suited, as we said 174 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: last night, to the way Foota's playing now. Others there 175 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: are Carlton fans will say, well, no, we're not standing 176 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: for that, and that's okay. I don't reckon Michael voss 177 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: Is either, But the reality is there's a chasm between 178 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: those two teams. Not on Thursday night, there's not. So 179 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: that's when the pressure and the heat will really come. 180 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: And that's a great thing. That's a fantastic thing that 181 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: they go out. I'd rather go out and play Richmond 182 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: than they have to front up to Brisbane. 183 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, when the next three Richmond, Melbourne and North Melbourne 184 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: and just quiet the horses for the time being. 185 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: Yep. 186 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: See how deep into the season you can get. Tribunal 187 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: is sitting tonight and it's it's huge for the Brisbane 188 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: Lions who lost no admirers in their defeat to the Bulldogs, 189 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: but they lost plenty of players along the way. How 190 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: many is to be determined before the jury tonight. David 191 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: Zita watches all of these cases for US. David, welcome, Hi, 192 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: jaredy Gary Darcy Garden was first up. 193 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: Housie fared he hasn't fared well. 194 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 6: He will miss this week's game against the Swans. The 195 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 6: one match ban for striking has been upheld. Now the 196 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 6: Lions tried to have a two file argument, as we've 197 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 6: seen so from with so many of these cases over 198 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 6: the journey. They argued this wasn't a strike and that 199 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 6: if it was, it was low impact at most rather 200 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 6: than medium impact which saw the one match ban given. 201 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 3: So this was. 202 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 6: Where this ended up sitting this case, and that either 203 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 6: of those funds would have seen that he was able 204 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 6: to play. But ultimately the AFL said that Gardner had 205 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 6: full vision of Aaron Norton taking the mark he left 206 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 6: the ground anyway he made contact, a reasonable player would 207 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 6: have realized any attempt to spoil it was unrealistic in 208 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 6: the circumstances. Adrian Anderson represented the Brisbane Lines in this case. 209 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 6: He said that the two reasons this wasn't a strike 210 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 6: were there were twofold, but ultimately the AFL Tribunal found 211 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 6: that this was more than negligible impact, it was a strike, 212 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 6: and that it was inherently dangerous to strike a player. 213 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 6: This verdict just came through a short time ago. To 214 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 6: strike a play with your four arm elbow or tricep 215 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 6: region when running towards him and jumping at him when 216 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 6: he has no real ability to protect himself, has an 217 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 6: obvious potential to cause injury. It's inherently dangerous. The guidelines 218 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 6: allow careless strikes to be upgraded to medium impact, and 219 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 6: they find that the charge was commensurate with the nature 220 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 6: and extent of the risk of injury involved. So that's 221 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 6: where it was. And as I said, Adrian Henderson tried 222 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 6: to argue impact was no more than negligible and that 223 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 6: it was a double handed push. Both of those cases 224 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 6: arguments unsuccessful and Harris Andrews are now fronting the tribunal too. 225 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: So the potential to cause injury was overturned last week 226 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: but upheld tonight the dark arts of the tribunal. 227 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: What say you, I put it in the Zach Bailey 228 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 2: category stupid and unnecessary and you've got no one else 229 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 2: to blame yourself. You didn't have to do that, and 230 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: he didn't have to do that at all. The mark 231 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: was taken. He puts himself in that position and now 232 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: he's going to miss a week. So not surprised. 233 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: The much more interesting cases Harris Andrews, which has just begun, David. 234 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so. 235 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 6: The AFL of the Brisbane Lines are arguing by Adrian 236 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 6: Andison once more that this was a shepherd rather than 237 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 6: any reportable offense and that he should be free to play. 238 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 6: If not, this is the intriguing part I think you 239 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 6: mentioned Jared. There is a new provision this year that's 240 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 6: come into the tribunal guidelines. It effectively allows Michael Christian 241 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 6: to scale impact down. Previously he could only scale up, 242 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 6: so when there was a concussion he was virtually handcuffed. 243 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 6: He had to aggrade it as a reportable offense if 244 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 6: it was as severe impact. 245 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: Now he has the ability. 246 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 6: To doubt great as a result of these new guidelines, 247 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 6: And I think what is happening now our clubs are 248 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 6: going to try and reverse engineer this at the tribunal 249 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 6: and say, well, you may have graded this as severe impact, 250 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 6: but we're saying given that provision, it should be able 251 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 6: to be downgraded to high impact, medium impact, even low impact. 252 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 6: So the observable level of force is what's mentioned in 253 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 6: the guidelines. We don't really have a clear understanding of 254 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 6: what that is, and I think cases like these ones 255 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 6: tonight are going to give us a clear idea of 256 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 6: what it actually means, and so the tribe you're not 257 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 6: going to have to work through this. This is the 258 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 6: first of its kind in regards to this case. But 259 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 6: as it stands, he's missing the next three matches. But 260 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 6: they are going to try and get that overturned as 261 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 6: a main argument, but it's a secondary argument. They want 262 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 6: to try and get impact down greater, which would reduce 263 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 6: the number of matches that Harris Andrews misses. 264 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 3: Shepherd rather than a strike feels like a reach to me. 265 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, you Shepherd, and you get someone in the head 266 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 2: knock him out. You're looking at three weeks, so good 267 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: luck arguing that. And as for level of impactn't ask 268 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: GUARDI he's not playing next week, he's been kacuss And yeah, 269 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: I think they're up against it. 270 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I doubt that this is the threshold, but we 271 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: simply don't know yet. It's a really abstract idea. 272 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 3: I doubt this is the one. 273 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: I get what they're trying about. 274 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think clubs will try through the first six 275 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: or eight weeks just to find where the level is. 276 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: Because if the Lions are without all of these players 277 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: going to face the Swans of the SCG and they 278 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: are as harris cent, who's going to be suspended? 279 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: I think just a matter of weeks. 280 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: It's four missing from the team that went under on 281 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: Saturday night. 282 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: And big, big names and influential players as well, coming 283 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: up against the Sydney team who've got Charlie with a 284 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: head of steam up and Joela Marty in reasonable Nick 285 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: and Logan McDonald hanging around. So this is untimely. What 286 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: about a week in a week ago that they were 287 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: cruising and preparing beautifully. 288 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 3: For what else's playing for second three in a row. 289 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: And now they're going to Sydney steering down the barrel 290 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: of ZIP and two with their captain and all Australians missing. 291 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: Let me ask you about Origin. 292 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: So a lot of the old arguments, So there was 293 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: a glow, an unquestionable glow in the aftermath of it, 294 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: and that reinforcement that this should be part of our 295 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: footy landscape. And just that has dulled a little in 296 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: the aftermath with the full injury toll being revealed and 297 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: some of the arguments that led to the original fall 298 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: of Origin being re aired, and a couple of those 299 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: we heard last night. 300 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 5: It's really challenging when we're preparing for round. 301 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: Zero to have our players three to four weeks out. 302 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,119 Speaker 5: Playing the fastest game that's probably ever been recorded on GPS. 303 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 5: They just weren't ready for it, and we probably saw 304 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 5: probably saw the outcome of that, you know, with some 305 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 5: players that were quite ready for for AFL come round zero. 306 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 5: We can't compromise our season for a game that, although important, 307 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 5: is not ready to be played at that time. 308 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 6: There are certain players that are filthy with the game time. 309 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 3: You can put that, you can put that. 310 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: Thomas a certain amount of game time, and they weren't 311 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: so you're in the inner sanctum here with the conversations 312 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: with the players. 313 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: Give us we'll deal with the jordye one. This experience 314 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 2: was a really special one, Jared to a man, this 315 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: group came out of it and just said it was 316 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: one of the best things I've ever done to a man. 317 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: So I'm not sure what that means that that is 318 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 2: counter to everything that we experienced. And no one was filthy. Actually, 319 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: Toby Green was filthy that he didn't get to play more. 320 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: And Zach Merritt was probably filthy he didn't get to 321 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: play in the midfield. They were filthy when they came 322 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: off the ground. I don't know. Maybe that was the 323 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: speed of the game that caught them by surprise. And 324 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: I think that's real. It's what DA mean. We need 325 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: to continue to foster it. We need the clubs supporting 326 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: all of this, and we, of course, we the origin 327 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: side of things, want to make sure that this is 328 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: you know, we don't want to see this, but this 329 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: is what happens in footy games. Deikos and Richard's and 330 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: Bontapelli and Green and Collins and Anderson. They all thrived, 331 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: you know, some didn't. That's just what footy is at 332 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: this stage. But I don't this is not going to 333 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: turn around its head. You won't turn this around on 334 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: its head because the players drove this, and the players 335 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: will demand that they get another opportunity. That's how successful 336 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: it was. Don't bother talking to me, talk to Zac 337 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: Merritt when he comes in, or anyone else, as I 338 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: know you have. So they said it was dead and 339 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: it won't work. In February it was a sellout. They said, Okay, 340 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: it's a sellout, but the big name players when push 341 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: comes to shovel pull out. Not a single player pulled out. 342 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: Not one single player pulled out. And they said, oh, 343 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: when we get over there, but they won't take it seriously, 344 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: it'll be Mickey out. 345 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 4: Now. 346 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: We'll getting criticized because it was taken too seriously. So 347 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: there's always someone trying to talk this down, which disappoints 348 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: me a bit. But I totally understand where the clubs 349 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: are coming from, and it's clubs and the AFL need 350 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: to get together to resolve it. And is there a 351 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: danger of this going the way of origin? I don't 352 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: think so, Jared, because the players yield far more power 353 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: today than they ever did, and it's a brave club 354 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: that will turn around and go to their players, you're 355 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: not going to be involved in this. They won't cop that. 356 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: They're not going to cop that. They might have copped it. 357 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: We copped it fifteen twenty five years ago, not the 358 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: players that today. So let's work together and make sure 359 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: that it doesn't get to that standoff between club and 360 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: player and everyone else. I know this orders have invested 361 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: in all that sort of stuff, but there's learnings to cut. 362 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: There's no question it was quicker. As Damien said, I 363 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: don't think any of us anticipated how quick it was 364 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: company so we learned from that. 365 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: It was too long at one hundred and forty men 366 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: that's now Weading's injury was nine minutes, So this quite 367 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: seasonally adjusted as one hundred and thirty two minutes is 368 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: a game in February one hundred and a bit at 369 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: the most I would fancy, And he was still, I've 370 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: got all the best bits of it, and we put 371 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: the percentages up of game time. 372 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: There had new reference. 373 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: Toby, who was absolutely effusive in his praise of the 374 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: experience and wanting to do it again. He plaid sixty 375 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: six percent of the match off almost no preseason. 376 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so to a man jured I would say, to 377 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: a man, they would all put their hand up to Plato. 378 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: So this notion of filthiness, that's just not what it was, right, 379 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: So they would all put their hand up, so much 380 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: so that Jacob Wetering, when he was able to get 381 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: his first breath and his first words, they said, would 382 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: you do it again? He said, damn straighta would. So 383 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: that's where it's at. Now. We've got to make sure 384 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: it works for club, for players, and for the AFL. 385 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 2: And that's the stated aim of everyone at this. 386 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, this reminds me a little bit of Taylor Swift. 387 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 2: This is why we can't have nice things. Just be careful. 388 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: This is important. 389 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: It's an important part of the landscape that we need 390 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: to foster. 391 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 2: And careful going and tell and they're not playing, but 392 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: they might get a surprise. 393 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: Well, let's bring Zach in. He was part of it. 394 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 3: He's been part of a lot in the off season. 395 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: I regularly here on Abel three sixty all day has 396 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: taken up with us as well. 397 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 3: Can't take a trick just for the moment. The Hawk's 398 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 3: youngster