1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gatigel 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: people of the Urination. 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: I'm Joe Hildebrand and this week we've got another bumper 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 2: episode for you. First up, the fish that could bring 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: down the Albanese government and what's going on between the 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 2: PM and Tanya plippa Sek. There seems to be a 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: bit of a patent forming where Tanya plipper Sek does 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: something and then the PM oh does the opposite. And 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: Donald Trump peace in the Middle East. Yep, he's brung it. 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: He's not even taken up his oath of office yet. 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: What is he planning to do with Hamas? It is 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: an absolute bombshell And we're going to talk to someone 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: who might be able to address a little crisis looming 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: in Australia. Did you know the number of female CEOs 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: in this country has gone down? You know, we're all 17 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: talking about empowering women and women can do anything and 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: you know, get out of the kitchen, ladies, you know 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: you can do it too, But what's happening in the 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 2: real world. The numbers are going down. Well, I'm a 21 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 2: feminist ally as a straight white man, I'm going to 22 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: fix this problem for you ladies. All that more coming up. 23 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: First up this week, I want to introduce you to 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: my little fishy friend. I didn't know we were friends 25 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: until a few days ago. I didn't even know that 26 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: this thing existed, but apparently it's been around for quite 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: some time. Some link to the dinosaurs, if we're to 28 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: be believed, or the experts are to be believed. I 29 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: just said that. I read it somewhere. I don't know 30 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: if it's true or not. This is a fish called 31 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: the Morgian skate. It's a ray fish, not like ray hadley, 32 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: but like like a sting ray. But I don't think 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: it has a sting. I think it's quite friendly. And 34 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: apparently it's very old and it's only found in a 35 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: particular harbor, remote harbor called Macquarie Harbor on the west 36 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: coast of Tasmania, and that just happens to be where 37 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: a whole lot of salmon farms are as well. And 38 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: this fish apparently is not doing too well. Not the 39 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: individual fish. There's more than one of them, although their 40 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: numbers are dwindling, although they have stabilized. According to the 41 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: Sustainable Salmon Fishing Community, but this fish is apparently under threat, 42 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: and people are saying, well, it's under threat because of 43 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: all these salmon farms in the harbor. Now, a less 44 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: compassionate person might say, who gives it's a fish? There's 45 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: literally plenty more fish in the sea. But you know, 46 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: apparently this has some special sort of link to prehistoric 47 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: times and some link to the dinosaurs. Don't birds have 48 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: links to the dinosaurs? Didn't dinosaurs just become birds? Are 49 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: they just flying around everywhere? Not the robot five g 50 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: ones like the actual real physical birds. I thought they 51 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: were the link to the dinosaurate. What would I know? Though? Nothing? Anyway, 52 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: there are quite a few people who have more pressing 53 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: concerns on the northwest coast of Tasmania, and they would 54 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: be the marginal seats of Bass, Bradden and Lions, which 55 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: are held by the Libs, the Libs and Labor respectively. 56 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: And the problem is that if the government, namely Tanyan Plitbusek, 57 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: the Environment Minister, actually shuts down or pauses activity on 58 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: the salmon farms, a lot of people could be able 59 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: to work. In the small town of Strawn. I think 60 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: about one to two people have jobs linked to the 61 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: salmon fishing industry. That's a lot wiping out half a 62 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: town's population lot, that's no good. The local school says 63 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: it might have to close down so it won't be 64 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: enough people to go to it. And across that sort 65 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: of northwest Tasy region, one in six people have jobs 66 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: that are linked to or directly in the salmon fishing industry. 67 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: And if a politician is going into that area and saying, oh, 68 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 2: we're just going to shut down that industry, We're going 69 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 2: to close down that industry or pause it. And again, 70 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: I don't know if you'd like to have your job 71 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: paused in the middle of the cost of living crisis. 72 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: I know I probably wouldn't that a few jobs paused 73 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: in the past not that much fun. If you're a 74 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: politician who's saying that you're going to lose your job 75 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: because we have to save this fish, that is what 76 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 2: I believe psychologists call clinical insanity. That is insane, That 77 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: is a crazy thing to do. And so basically half 78 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 2: the cabinet has been sent down to Tasmania, including there's 79 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: I think the member for Franklin is actually the Agriculture 80 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: and Fisheries minister. She's down this Oh no, no, no, no, 81 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: love the salmon industry. Oh, can't get me enough salmon. 82 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's sweet, sweet tassel salmon. They're down, they say, no, no, 83 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: it's fine, it's fine as fine's fine, it's fine, it's fine. Fine. Meanwhile, 84 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: you have what people less kind than me would call 85 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 2: inner city greeny lovies pressuring her to do the sort 86 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: of environmentally friendly, sort of echo sustainable thing and protect 87 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: the fish, the Morgian Skate, against the horrors rent upon 88 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: it by all these hundreds and thousands of workers in Tasmania. 89 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: And they released a pole by the Australia Institute, a 90 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: very progressive sort of think tank, released a pole and 91 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: shows that fifty eight percent of people, including both labor 92 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: and liberal voters, think that the Morgian Skate should be 93 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: saved by the closure of these salmon farms in mcquarie Harbor. 94 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: Once more, catch all of those people live on the mainland. 95 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 2: None of those people are actually in the marginal seats 96 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 2: of Tasmania. None of those people have their jobs on 97 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: the line. And the people on the ground say, actually, 98 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: we'd probably rather put food on the table than save 99 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: some weird flat fish that no one's ever seen. So 100 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: that is the latest political headache facing the Albanese government. 101 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: What to do about an obscure fish in the middle 102 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: of mcquarie Harbor. It's not found anywhere else in the world, 103 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: by the way, apparently it's just found in mcquarie Harbor. 104 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: So do we save this one thing in the one 105 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: place where it lives? Like, if it was that important, 106 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't it be in other places as well? Like you know, 107 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: like if you're that critical to the environment and the 108 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: hology of planet Earth, why you're all just hanging around 109 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: in one place. Diversify it's the key to success, trust me, 110 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: But I did in my career look at me go anyway. 111 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: So that again is something that very few people would 112 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: have had on their twenty twenty four being Goka that 113 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: the Albanesi government, after a huge run of good luck, 114 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: then a huge run of bad luck and the voice 115 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: kind of in between, could now find itself facing its 116 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: own form of extinction due to a nearly extinct fish. 117 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: What a year it's been. Now. The other thing that 118 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: the Mauki and skate, this fish to end all fishes, 119 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: this fish to end all governments, has illuminated is what 120 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: people are again, very unkindly, and I would never say 121 00:07:55,640 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 2: such a thing, calling a rift between Anthony Albanezi and 122 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: and plit a sect. And this is something that's characterized three. 123 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: And they say good things and bad things come in threes, 124 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: and Batania plb secs bad things definitely have come in threes. 125 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: Because first she has opposed the mcfilmy's gold mine out 126 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: near Orange, and that was because of a submission by 127 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: this kind of fringe indigenous cultural organization that no one 128 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: else seemed to really know about or recognize or whatever, 129 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: that there was a dreaming of a blue banded bee 130 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: in the area, the river area that they were going 131 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: to build a tailing's catchment for this goldmine. You're keeping 132 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: up take notes anyway, point being there was a blue 133 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: banded bee and a dreaming about that bee. So a 134 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 2: story about the bee, which is very important to the 135 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 2: local people, local Aboriginal people, and that's you know, that 136 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: is important stuff. Only catch is that the actual official 137 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: custodian is the official land council, the official sort of 138 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: elders of that area. They say there's no dreaming with 139 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: the bee. That's the that's just not true anyway. Out 140 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 2: of abundance of caution Tania plip Sec, who is a 141 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: very nice person and very worried obviously about the environment 142 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: and clearly not wanting to upset indigenous people. I've had 143 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: a couple of disappointments in the last twelve months or so, 144 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: not sure if you've noticed, said oh, well, we better, 145 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: you know, better make sure we protect the dreaming of 146 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 2: this blue banded bee, and which she's opposed the gold 147 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: mine at the last possible hurdle, having it already been 148 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 2: approved by the state government, having already been approved by 149 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: all the other federal regulatory authority, said nah, sorry, can't 150 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: risk it now. This has sent the new South Wales government, 151 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: which is also a labor government, pretty apoplectic, and it's 152 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: sent the PM pretty apoplectic as well as going, hey, 153 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: what the hang on a minute. I just promised that 154 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: after the voice failed that we were going to do 155 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: everything we can and to you know, make sure there's 156 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: economic opportunities for indigenous people. And we've got all these 157 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: indigenous people in this area saying they want this mind 158 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: to go ahead because of the economic opportunities, and we're 159 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: blocking it because of what say, so, what come again 160 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: a blue banded bee? Oh not the bee, the dreaming 161 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: of the bee, but that they say doesn't happen anyway, 162 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: so they've got into a giant morass of that. And anyway, 163 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: there was a bit of a he said, she said 164 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: quite literally, he said, she said, where you know. Tanian 165 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 2: Plibussec was saying, oh no, no, the mind can still go ahead, 166 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 2: and the mind people say, well, not really, wet, I 167 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: have to do another whole bunch of years work to 168 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: find another place. And of all the other options, you know, 169 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: three out of the four still involve this site. So 170 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 2: they're all gone, and I don't want to bore you 171 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: in the technicalities. And then Albos like, oh no, no, no, 172 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: it's fine. Then there's the deal that Tania Plibusec was 173 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: going to do with the Greens, the Nature Positive Deal, 174 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: which was supposed to sort of kind of maybe not 175 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: really stop things like this happening, so have a sort 176 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: of proper clear nation wide framework that sort of get 177 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: these sort of environmental concerns all out the sort of France, 178 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: so that you know, people would know what they're doing, 179 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: you know, people running big you know, big projects, you know, 180 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: big minds, that sort of stuff, stuff that keeps these 181 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: economy going you know, we dig it up, we sell it, 182 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: we get lots of money. Everyone's happy, even the Chinese 183 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: and they're hard to please. And then suddenly the PM 184 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: has a bit of a chat to the West Australian 185 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 2: Premier and the Wesustralian Premier, whose state relies pretty much 186 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: entirely on natural resource saying, do you really think it's 187 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: a good idea of signing a deal with the Greens 188 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 2: about what projects can and can't go ahead in the future. 189 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: You don't think that might sort of, you know, not 190 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: to sort of mix our color metaphors. That might raise 191 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: a few red flags and albopiers. We've gone out. Yeah, actually, yeah, 192 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: make a pretty good point there, Roger, and he's kiboshed that. 193 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: And now we've got Tanya Plibasek looking at whether or 194 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: not she is going to act to pause salmon farming 195 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: in Tasmania to protect the Morgian skate. That fish has 196 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: a lot to answer for. I swear to God if 197 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: I ever find one, if I ever get my hands 198 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: on one, that'll know what extinction feels like. Again, third 199 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: time in a row on an environmental matter, Albaneze has 200 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 2: had to come in over the top and try to 201 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: sort of rest assured, you know, tell everyone you know 202 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 2: everything's going to be okay, don't worry. We're ki bosher. 203 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: We won't like that. So you can imagine that Tania 204 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: Plippasek is pretty pissed off at this stage. But as 205 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 2: always with politics, it's personal. I say nothing personal, it's 206 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: just politics, but it's all paus so all personal. I 207 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 2: remember seeing that on the back of a toilet door 208 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: at the Melbourne Uied Student Union. The personal is political 209 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: now I fully understand it, because, of course, there is 210 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: a bit of history between Albo and Tania plipper Set 211 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: because in twenty thirteen, Taniel Plibersek ran with Bill Shorten, 212 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: Albo's kind of natural nemesis within the Labour Party, ran 213 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: with him against Albo and Richard Marles, our current Prime 214 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: Minister and deputy Prime Minister. Despite the fact, of course 215 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: that Tanni pliber sc and Anthony Albanezi are both from 216 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: the left faction and they're meant to sort of stick together, 217 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: but of course they're not, because Labor rules dictate that 218 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: there's always a leader from one faction and a deputy 219 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 2: leader from other faction. Some rules are made to be 220 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: broken by the way, because New South Wales actually got 221 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 2: the leader and deputy leader both from the Right faction, 222 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 2: but the payoff for that is that the leader and 223 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: deputy leader in the Upper House are both from the 224 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: Left faction. Still, that was a sweet deal in New 225 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: South Wales. Right stitched up and they fully just they 226 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: fully pulled one over the Left. I don't know if 227 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: they know that now, maybe they're listening to it, but anyway, 228 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: it is perfectly legitimate and reasonable and okay for Tanniy 229 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: Plibersec to run as a deputy against a fellow Left 230 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: faction leader who is running for leader on a different ticket. 231 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: That in fact is expected, that is the norm, that 232 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: is the convention. But apparently Tanya pliversecor people close to her, 233 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: people in her camp, were trying to peel off votes 234 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: from the left for her and shortens ticket. This is 235 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: just what I've been told. I don't have any stat decks, 236 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: and that is not how you do things. That is 237 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: not what you're supposed to do, or at least not 238 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: according to Albo. That made Albo will be cross or 239 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if anything makes Albow cross. He's pretty happy. 240 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: He's a pretty happy guy. He's pretty loved up. Maybe 241 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: that's part of the problem. It's got to feel the 242 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: pain we all feel so we can act accordingly. It's 243 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: just too happy. But it does something that's almost worse 244 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: than making albow cross. Activates his long term memory, because 245 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: once you go against Albo, it just never forgets. He 246 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: just has a habit of being able to tuck that 247 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: little bit of information in the back of his head 248 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: and then when the opportunity arise is down the track, 249 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: just acts on it. Maybe he doesn't even know he's 250 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: acting on it. Maybe it's just a sort of Pavlovian reflex, 251 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: but sure enough, when Tanyan Plibisek went from opposition to 252 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: government along with everyone else in the Labor Party, she 253 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: was the shadow Education Minister and had every expectation of 254 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 2: being the actual Education Minister, and instead was made the 255 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: Environment Minister, which you could use a bit of a 256 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: hospital pass for someone who lives in a very greeny 257 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: inner city electorate, but who as a minister of the government, 258 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: is going to be required to allow a whole bunch 259 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: of things that in a city greenies don't like, like 260 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: gold mines, like coal mines, like anything that threatens the 261 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: existence of the Morgian skate and that is where Tania 262 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: Plipasek has found herself, and that is where Alba has 263 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: had to come in over the top of her, either 264 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: explicitly or implicitly and nix three things that she was 265 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: either working on or had actually done. So that is 266 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: what's happening in the Australian environment, and that's what's happening 267 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: in the political environment between Anthony Albanizi Dania Plise. Just 268 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: a quick bit of lighthearted news to wrap up the 269 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: end of the bulletin. There's peace in the Middle East. 270 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: Donald Trump has fixed it. The war between Israel and 271 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: Hamas and whoever else they're fighting is over. He's done 272 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 2: it all. He's done it all in a tweet, or 273 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: he hasn't done it in a tweet because he's not 274 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: on Twitter anymore. He's done it in a truth He's 275 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: done it in a post on truth social which is 276 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: a social media platform that Donald Trump quite conveniently owns. Well, 277 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: I think did he sell it anyway? He's doing all right, 278 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: and he's posted. And again, if you've been listening to 279 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: this podcast and other smart people who have sort of 280 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: been saying this sadly, not all the people in America 281 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: who think they're smart and didn't think that Donald Trump 282 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: was going to win the next election. Donald Trump is 283 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: doing something called madman diplomacy. He is just being a 284 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: complete crazy guy. And that is actually a legitimate political tactic. 285 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 2: That is a literal diplomatic strategy that was worked out 286 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: by Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger during the Vietnam era. 287 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 2: And it basically involves just not necessarily being so crazy, 288 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: but having your opponents, enemies, your combatants, think that you 289 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 2: are so crazy and so capable of anything that they 290 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: become paralyzed and timid, and they do not escalate an 291 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 2: already hot situation. So when Richard Nixon was the supposed madman, 292 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: he could do anything. He's got his fingers on the 293 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: nuclear button. What's he going to do? And the Vietnam 294 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: Wars raging and people are waiting to see if there 295 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: really is a domino effect and if this becomes a 296 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 2: catalyst for World War III, which is what people were 297 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: worried about. This is just a few years after the 298 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 2: Cuban Missile crisis, where Chris chev and Kennedy are facing 299 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: each other, you know, and Christie's got his nukes, Kennedy's 300 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 2: got his nukes. Is someone going to fire them? Are 301 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 2: we going to wipe out the entire human race? And 302 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 2: they didn't because they were both saying actors in the 303 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: Madman diplomacy. You've got Richard Nixon who's saying I could 304 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: do anything. I'm crazy, You've got anything. I can't control 305 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: this guy. He's off the leash. So the people in 306 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: say Maos China or in Russia Soviet Union, thinking, holy crap, 307 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 2: we better not antagonize this guy, but not escalate things 308 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: because anything as possible, he could do anything. Now just 309 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 2: think about that, and now think about what Donald Trump 310 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: posted on truth just a few days ago. This is 311 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: what he said. He said, everybody is talking about the 312 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: hostages who are being held so violently, inhumanely, and against 313 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: the will of the entire world. World with a capital 314 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: W for some reason in the Middle East with the 315 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: capitol M and E, which is more legit. But it's 316 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: all talk and no action. Exclamation mark. Please let this 317 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: truth all caps serve to represent that if the hostages 318 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: are not released prior to January twenty, twenty twenty five, 319 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 2: the date that I proudly assume office capital as president 320 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: of the United States. There will be all CAPS all 321 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: held to pay in the Middle East, and for those 322 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 2: in charge who perpetrated these atrocities against humanity. With the 323 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: capital H, those responsible will be hit harder than anybody 324 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: has been hit in the long and storied history. Capital 325 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 2: H of the United States of Ameria or CAPS. Release 326 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 2: the hostages. Now now, as we know, the first way 327 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: and easiest way to convey that you are off chops 328 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: is to just have random capital letters in a message. 329 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 2: And Trump has just delivered that in spades. Now. No, 330 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 2: he hasn't said what he's actually going to do. He 331 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: hasn't said how he's going to get back. He hasn't 332 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 2: even said who's going to attack. I mean, Hamas has 333 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 2: already been rebelized. They've already basically given up. They got nothing. 334 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: All their leaders are dead. Hesbela's signed a sixty day 335 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: ceasefi ideal with Israel. Again, that happens just after Trump 336 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 2: has been elected. It suddenly they're scared less. They don't 337 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: know what this guy's going to do. It's like when 338 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: you're going feral and then you know your mum tells 339 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: you that your dad's coming home and he's in a 340 00:20:53,840 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 2: really bad mood, and everyone goes, oh, better play nice. Also, 341 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: like when someone else liken it to this, if you're 342 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: about to get in a pub brawl and you know 343 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 2: you can't beat the guy and you know you can't 344 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: get away, the best thing to do is just act 345 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: like you're fully psycho crazy. You know, I just smash 346 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: a bottle. This isn't official advice for you. Individual people, 347 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: get your own expert advice for every case is different, 348 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: but generally speaking, just smash them. Well, I don't know, 349 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 2: I haven't been to a pub for a while. I 350 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: don't know if they're still like that. But the point being, 351 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 2: you just you just alarm everybody so much that everyone says, cracky, 352 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: this guy is crazier than all of us. We better 353 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: stop acting crazy. We can't provoke him. We don't know 354 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: what they're going to do. And again, sure enough, people 355 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: have started to play good. Even Hesbler has started to 356 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: play nice. Even the Russians and the Ukrainians are staying thing, oh, 357 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: maybe we better come to a deal before Donald gets in. 358 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: And he's doing it all whether he knows it or not, 359 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: based on a decade's old principle called Madman diplomacy, something 360 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 2: so crazy it just might work. Now. The other day 361 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: I was helping my seven year old daughter pick about 362 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 2: six thousand loom bands off the floor of her bedroom. 363 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: And when I say helping her, I mean I was 364 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 2: picking all of them up, and she was telling me 365 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 2: that I'd missed one, telling me that we weren't leaving 366 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: until I'd picked up every single last one, not accepting 367 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: the fact that we could just pick up the most 368 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: of them and of course organize them into their individual 369 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 2: color sets, and then just vacuum up the rest and 370 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: no one would know. That was not good enough. Every 371 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: single loom band had to come up. And every single 372 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: loom band did come up. And during the course of 373 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: our little operation together, which lasted about two and a 374 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: half hours, she said to me, Dad, I think I 375 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: know what I want to be when I grow up. 376 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 2: And I said, what's that, darling, And she said A boss. 377 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 2: I said, well, you're certainly on the right track, sweetheart. 378 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 2: Well power to you. A boss of what she goes, 379 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: I don't care, just a boss. So I thought, how 380 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: do you actually go about doing that? How do you 381 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: become a boss? And I thought to myself. I know 382 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 2: who would have the answer to that question. The actual 383 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: boss Lady herself, Amanda Rose, who who is actually the 384 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 2: boss Lady. That is her handle, that is her job, 385 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: that is what she does, and I'm still not quite 386 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: sure what that is. But she's with me right here, 387 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 2: right now on the real story. How are you, Amanda? 388 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: Well, how are you? 389 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: I am fantastic, Welcome to the real story. Firstly, let's 390 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: answer that question. What do you do? You are a 391 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: champion of women in business and you are hashtag the 392 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 2: boss Lady. 393 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 3: Yes, And it was actually funny story with the boss Lady. 394 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: I was at the beginning of my business. 395 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 3: I was things on social media and a few people 396 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 3: were kind of mocking me, Oh, you're a boss lady, 397 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 3: are you? And so I actually took that and turned 398 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 3: into a hashtag and then fifteen years later I'm still 399 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 3: using it. So it was very much of yes, actually 400 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 3: I am, and anyone can be because it's been the 401 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 3: boss of what you do. And you know, I've founded 402 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 3: multiple businesses, so entrepreneur on Small Businesswomen in Australia, Western 403 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 3: Sydney Women, Western Sity, Executive Women. I had business Women 404 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 3: Media many years ago and it was a media business 405 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: that was online because no one would publish what I 406 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 3: wanted to say, so I thought I'll do it myself 407 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 3: and thought, can't be that hard. It was, but I 408 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 3: did it and I've sold it, thank goodness. 409 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 2: Maybe so you are a boss, that is your job. 410 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: You just set up companies. You be the boss of them. 411 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: Then you flip them, you sell them, and your move on. 412 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 3: Flip them, restructure them or hand them off to other 413 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 3: people to manage and run. Because what I like to 414 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 3: do is be able to provide an income for others 415 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 3: as well, so you know, contracting to people that have 416 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 3: businesses or employing people and it's money for them, which 417 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 3: is why I take it very seriously that you don't 418 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: jump too far ahead or too quickly because people's livelihoods 419 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 3: are at risk. 420 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: So what do your businesses kind of do? 421 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, So entrepreneury on Small business Women Australia started during 422 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 3: lockdowns because no one was representing the business woman, which 423 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 3: usually earns under seventy five K, which was the threshold 424 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 3: to be able to get any payments because usually it's 425 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 3: a job for a woman, so she's got her business 426 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 3: bring in that money. Under GST wasn't eligible for anything. 427 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: No one hang on a minute, say I'm the poor, 428 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: you are the less eligible you were for assistance. 429 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's because a lot of people don't realize that. 430 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 3: A lot of small business women, it's a job for them. 431 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 3: They're not growing into having teams or you know, do 432 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 3: they want to. 433 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: And they're the one sort of doing all the work 434 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: for nothing, basically putting everything back into the company, so 435 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: they're not actually drawing. 436 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 3: That's right, and if they're trying to, they struggling their contractors. 437 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 3: But also even the medium well the largest small business 438 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 3: you could say, there was no advocacy was about this 439 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 3: is for small business. I hang on a minut You've 440 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 3: got to put the filter of the female on that. 441 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 3: So during lockdowns, they were trying to run their small 442 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,239 Speaker 3: business whilst also looking after the children and homeschooling and 443 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 3: doing all these things, and no one was taking into consideration. 444 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: So over a weekend, I started that business and then 445 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 3: I did three months of free weekly webinars to help 446 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 3: them through that time and then started running. So a 447 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 3: lot of still have free stuff and advocacy. We do 448 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 3: submissions to government with red legislation and give our input, 449 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 3: but we also have mentoring programs and events for them. 450 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 3: And then I have Western Sydney Women, which is an 451 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 3: advocacy group that runs events and also again puts in 452 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 3: submissions to government advocates. Other charities actually get us to 453 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: help them design programs that are effective, and we want 454 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 3: to help girls and women have access to resources and 455 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 3: the connections you don't automatically get when you're in Western 456 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 3: Sydney to be able to get the jobs and opportunities 457 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 3: that they want. 458 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 2: And you're a full blown born and bred Western charges Sydney. 459 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 3: Western Sydney and I you know, let's face it's we're 460 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 3: all the money is, it's all the talent is, and 461 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: often it's where the most abuse is done when it 462 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 3: comes to abusing the money and the talent in the area. 463 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. It's a rough and tough it's a 464 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 2: jungle out there. 465 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: It's a jungle that we love. 466 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: It's a jungle of heartland that we love. So there 467 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: is actually a very serious hard news site to this 468 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 2: as well. Figures that were just released recently shows the 469 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: number of women CEOs has actually gone down now. They 470 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 2: did a study of the top three hundred companies in 471 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: Australia and Look, they weren't exactly dizzying heights to begin with. 472 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 2: And look, it's fair to say it's not the steepest 473 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 2: drop I've ever seen, but the number of female CEOs 474 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 2: of the top three hundred companies in Australia has dropped 475 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: from twenty six to twenty five. Now, I feel like 476 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 2: this is something we talk about all the time. You know, 477 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 2: everyone's like saying all the right things, rhetoric correct, a 478 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: lot of rhetoric, a lot of it you signaling, and 479 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 2: yet when the rubber hits the road, the number is 480 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 2: going down. Why is that? 481 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 3: Because that's effort so to actually find someone in your 482 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 3: team that is ready for that role. We're not talking 483 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 3: about quotas, and for the sake of it, and get 484 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 3: a woman and put them in that role because we 485 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 3: need more women there. 486 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: They're qualified and I. 487 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 3: Coach women at all levels and they are qualified and 488 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 3: they are ready. Most of the time, they don't think 489 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 3: that the company thinks that they're ready, or they don't 490 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 3: think that the CEO or the person on the board 491 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 3: thinks that they're prepared already, but they are. So we 492 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 3: need to understand the way the men work in those 493 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 3: companies are often a guy will say I want it, 494 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 3: I want it, I want it until he gets it, 495 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 3: whether it's qualified or not. A woman will just say, oh, 496 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: wait for someone to tap me on the shoulder and 497 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: give me the opportunity when she's overly qualified for it. 498 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: So we need people to actively go out and say 499 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 3: I want you to apply for this, which I've heard 500 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 3: stories of people doing that, which is great. 501 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: We can support you. 502 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 3: We can put in mechanisms in place, for example, if 503 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 3: you need fexibility and so forth to be able to 504 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 3: do it. Because a lot of these women have teenagers 505 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 3: to look after and they shouldn't be disadvantage. So they 506 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 3: really need to put in the effort to say no, 507 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 3: let's go and find the women we have in our 508 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 3: company right now. 509 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 2: And this is actually what you do as well. This 510 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 2: is part of what you do. You help fix this problem. 511 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: So it's not that women, because you often hear that 512 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: women lack self confidence professionally, it's not. Actually they know 513 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 2: their own worth, but they're not flying their own flag. 514 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: No they're not, and that's the thing. 515 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 3: They find self promotion uncomfortable. But also a lot of 516 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 3: women as seen as a threat and they're attacked. So 517 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 3: there's a lot of passive, aggressive backstabbing by the opposition 518 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 3: in that role. So it could be a male that 519 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 3: wants the role. We'll make her life hell, make it miserable, 520 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 3: And that is absolute petulance and it's ridiculous for people 521 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 3: to act that way. But I don't want women to 522 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 3: be disheartened by the fact that that behavior happens, because 523 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 3: it happens pretty much every whey, right, So it's more 524 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: about ignore that and go for it, because once you 525 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 3: get it, you can fire them. 526 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: I really like your staff. So you're sort of saying, 527 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 2: rather than a kind of top down kind of you know, say, 528 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: having quotas for women on boards or in management positions, 529 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: it's more important to empower women to basically use their 530 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 2: elbows a bit. 531 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 3: More and call bluff absolutely, you know. I think it's 532 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 3: so much fun. And the way to do that is 533 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 3: to always have another job waiting. So I always encourage 534 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 3: people to always be on Seek, always look on LinkedIn, 535 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 3: apply for jobs, go through the interview process, and then 536 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 3: you can walk in and ask for a promotion, ask 537 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 3: for that job, and if they say no, you can 538 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 3: quit because you've got another one lined up amazing. 539 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 2: And they walk away. I know, Well that's what my 540 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: that's what my mum used to do at trash and treasure. 541 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 2: Slightly different, you know, like same slightly different stakes with 542 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: same formula. It's like, you know, give it, you know, 543 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: bucks off or I walk away, And you've got to 544 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: be prepared to just walk away. 545 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 3: The person who cares the lease in a relationship, Joe's 546 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 3: the most powerful one. 547 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 2: I found that out the hard one. I can tell 548 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: you that I doubt you're not wrong. You're not wrong. 549 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: So what what would you say then to people who 550 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: were saying, well, hang on, you know, no, we have 551 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: to have these kind of orchestrated government I mean, do 552 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: government policies actually help? Do does regulating this actually help? 553 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: Or does that just mean that perhaps people who aren't 554 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: ready put in these positions just for the sake of 555 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: ticking a box? Is it sometimes? Is it all about 556 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: the individual? Well? 557 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 3: To me, so for like government tenders, like for infrastructure tenders, right, 558 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 3: they'll have a requirement in those tenders that thirty percent 559 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 3: of the leadership team a female, and a lot of 560 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 3: companies go, oh no quick, we'll pull these people. 561 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: We know. 562 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 3: So having those structures in place, I don't mind. But 563 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 3: what I'd like to see is the companies ready to say, oh, 564 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: you've got them all ready. Ye've prepped them all ready. 565 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 3: So often quotas are in place because people were doing 566 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 3: the right thing in the first place. So you'll find 567 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 3: out that the discussion of merit, you know the stuff, 568 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 3: but we want the best person for the job. I 569 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 3: guarantee you half of the boards in this country would 570 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 3: disappear or half of the people on the boards would 571 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 3: disappear overnight if we're doing merit based board positions, right, 572 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 3: So why did this merit discussion only happen now that we. 573 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: Want women to be included? 574 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 3: So if we just did that whole hiring blindly, without 575 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: names and age, it'd be very different. 576 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: So that's right. So there is actually a natural quota 577 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 2: that would exist if employers and I suppose shareholders as well, 578 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 2: and other people who end up making these decisions were 579 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 2: truly merit based and not just pretending to be merit based. 580 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: It's called inclusivity, and it's the sound something else. 581 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 2: True. 582 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 3: No, but true inclusivity is not trying to say, oh 583 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 3: I need more women, or I need more this culture, 584 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 3: or I need more this age group. It's literally, these 585 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 3: are the opportunities. I'm going to encourage everyone. I will 586 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 3: go out of my way to make sure everyone has 587 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 3: the same access to that opportunity. But when you just 588 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 3: say I'm just going to go for that particular group 589 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 3: and hunt them down, they then become the enemy of 590 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 3: everyone else. 591 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 2: Also, I like the cut of that bill, got a 592 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: good swagger about it, nice head of hair, got a 593 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 2: cano attitude. 594 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 3: Well you just describe to the boards, Joe, how they 595 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 3: I love it. 596 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 2: So you know you have if you have true natural selection, Yes, 597 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 2: if you were just jem will get ahead because understand. 598 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 3: Your own bias, and you know it's okay to say, oh, 599 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 3: I've been biased in that instance and I shouldn't. 600 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: And also can we just the. 601 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 3: Reality is the best flatterer and salesperson usually gets the opportunity, 602 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 3: but doesn't always mean they're going to best person for 603 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 3: the job, right, And then the person who hired them 604 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 3: doesn't admit that they've hired the wrong person because they 605 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 3: got condor flat it into it. 606 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: So how about we just put that aside and look 607 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: at outputs. 608 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: I love it, Amanda Rose. I would hire you on 609 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 2: the spot just because you're awesome and I'm a little 610 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 2: bit afraid of you. Thank you so much for joining 611 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 2: us on The Real Story. Thank you, and that's all 612 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 2: we have time for this week. Thank you so much 613 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: for your company one and all. If you'd like us 614 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 2: to talk about anything or got any questions, you can 615 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 2: email us at the Real Story at Nova Podcasts dot 616 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 2: com dot au. You can jump onto Instagram, which is 617 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: the least evil of all the social media platforms. 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