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Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday October thirty, twenty twenty five. Superannuation funds could

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Speaker 1: save the creaking aged care sector. That's the new idea

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Speaker 1: from Aged Care Minister Sam Ray, who's told The Australian

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Speaker 1: the government's looking at how to de risk the sector

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Speaker 1: to make it attractive for private investors. A forty two

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Speaker 1: year old Sydney woman has been remanded in custody and

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Speaker 1: charged with public nuisance and other offenses after allegedly switching

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Speaker 1: off essential medical gas supplies at two hospitals. On Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: A seventy two year old man died an hour after

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Speaker 1: Vanessa Moulton allegedly tampered with the supply. She's told a

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Speaker 1: local court, I didn't do it. That story's life now

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Speaker 1: at the Australian dot Com dot a U. Catherine wants

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Speaker 1: Andrew out of her face, and William has told his

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Speaker 1: favorite cousins to make their father see sense. It's not

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Speaker 1: the plot of EastEnders. It's the House of Windsor's royal

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Speaker 1: reality soap opera Today. Why Prince William has reportedly told

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Speaker 1: princesses Beatrice and Eugenie. Their own titles are at risk.

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Speaker 2: This is Windsor Castle, His Royal Highness, Prince.

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Speaker 3: Edward, at long last, I am able to say a

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Speaker 3: few words of my own. A few hours ago I

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Speaker 3: discharged my last duty as king and Emperor.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty six, the King Edward the eighth abdicated

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Speaker 1: as monarch so he could marry his beloved and American

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Speaker 1: divorcee named Wallace Simpson.

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Speaker 3: Did I have found it impossible to carry the heavy

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Speaker 3: burden of responsibility without the help and support of the

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Speaker 3: woman I love?

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Speaker 1: They were kicked out of the family and the country.

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Speaker 4: I think he was.

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Speaker 5: Ahead of his time. I think he had lots of

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Speaker 5: BEP and I think he's very much ahead of his time.

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Speaker 5: I think he wanted to establish then he said were

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Speaker 5: a little not ready for them, really, Perhaps.

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Speaker 1: In the nineteen nineties, Princess Diana was the outcast.

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Speaker 6: Do you think missus Parker Balls was a factor in

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Speaker 6: the breakdown of your marriage?

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Speaker 2: Well, there were three of us in this marriage, so

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Speaker 2: it was a bit crowded.

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Speaker 1: And eight decades after Wallace Simpson, another American divorcee another

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Speaker 1: I sing out.

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Speaker 7: I never thought that this would be easy, but I

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Speaker 7: thought it would be fair.

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Speaker 8: There was a way doing things but for us, for

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Speaker 8: this union and the specifics around her race, there was

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Speaker 8: an opportunity, many opportunities for my family to show some

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Speaker 8: public support.

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Speaker 1: And now another royal couple are about to feel the

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Speaker 1: big freeze. Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson, once the Duke

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Speaker 1: and Duchess of York. It's now been revealed that Prince

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Speaker 1: Andrew hosted Jeffrey Epstein, Gallaine Maxwell and Harvey Weinstein at

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Speaker 1: Royal Lodge, the Prince's private home. Jenna Clarke is a

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Speaker 1: culture writer with The Australian Jenna. The Royal family has

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Speaker 1: weathered plenty of scandals. How big is this one?

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Speaker 4: I think it's up there, Claire, with the Queens Annis horribills.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety two is not a year on which I

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Speaker 2: shall look back with undiluted pleasure. I suspect that I'm

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Speaker 2: not alone in thinking it so. Indeed, I suspect that

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Speaker 2: there are very few people or institutions unaffected by these

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Speaker 2: last months of worldwide turmoil and uncertainty.

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Speaker 4: And now the fact that this Prince Andrew saga that

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Speaker 4: appears to have gone on for so many years. Now,

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Speaker 4: specifically in regards to the allegations around his relationship with

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein, is going to be something that could potentially

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Speaker 4: break the firms back, because now King Charles is being

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Speaker 4: heckled in public.

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Speaker 3: Learn about Andrew and.

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Speaker 1: As the video of that heckling is very interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Charles must have been able to hear what was being said,

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Speaker 1: but he kept the stiff upper leap, ignoring it and

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Speaker 1: shaking hands. Anyway, it started out so well for Prince Andrew.

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Speaker 1: He was the Queen's favorite son. He was Duke of York,

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Speaker 1: he had a bunch of other titles. He married someone

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Speaker 1: who seemed like a lot of fun in Sarah Ferguson.

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Speaker 6: I asked Sarah some weeks ago, and Sarah actually said, yes, surprise,

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Speaker 6: surprise me.

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Speaker 7: I'm a single working mom two girls, and I don't

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Speaker 7: have a trust fund or I have to work.

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Speaker 8: I can only use the local language. I mean, is

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Speaker 8: there some handout from the queen?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 7: No, note too.

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Speaker 1: And although they split up, they seemed to be managing

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Speaker 1: a life together as a family with their two children,

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Speaker 1: Beatrice and Eugeney, even as she pursued a private life.

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Speaker 1: She gave some interviews in which she said very much

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Speaker 1: that the royals didn't help her out at all, that

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Speaker 1: like with weight Watches.

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Speaker 7: Time for me to stand on my own two feet

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Speaker 7: and not accept the kindness of her magity anymore. You know,

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Speaker 7: I can do it now, thanks to Edward and to

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Speaker 7: weight Watches, And I'm proud to be able to say

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Speaker 7: that I'm able to pay a rent at the end

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Speaker 7: of every month.

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Speaker 1: You've met Sarah Ferguson, what was your impression of how

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Speaker 1: independent her life actually was.

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Speaker 4: I thought the distinct sense that she felt a sense

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Speaker 4: of duty. She was talking to me specifically through the

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Speaker 4: lens of ending world poverty, and she was just trying

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Speaker 4: to engage with as many people as possible. She actually

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Speaker 4: wanted to engage with the general public. So that's what

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Speaker 4: really jars with me. And what also really jars with

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Speaker 4: me is the fact that their daughters seem to be

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Speaker 4: really adjusted, well adjusted. I mean, they get on well

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Speaker 4: with their cousins, They pushue their own private careers, they

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Speaker 4: do a lot of philanthropy work in private as well,

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Speaker 4: so that's the most jarring aspect for me about this

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Speaker 4: whole saga.

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Speaker 1: In fact, now it's Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie who are

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Speaker 1: right at the center of this problem. There are reports

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Speaker 1: now that Prince William has called them aside and said, listen,

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Speaker 1: if you don't get your father to move out of

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Speaker 1: his royal residence, your titles are going to be at risk.

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Speaker 1: How significant is that.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a lot, and it's a lot of

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Speaker 4: pressure for these two young women. They're private citizens, they're

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Speaker 4: not working royals. I mean, they do partake in the

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Speaker 4: traditions like Christmas with a royal family and that famous

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Speaker 4: wark that they do. But also the fact that that

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Speaker 4: now the next generation of taking it as honor as

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Speaker 4: their responsibility to end this saga once and for all.

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Speaker 4: You can totally see where Prince William is coming from,

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Speaker 4: considering all of the dramas he's had with his brother

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Speaker 4: in the last couple of years. So I think, I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's asking a lot of them. But also they're really

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Speaker 4: royals in title only. They were born without any type

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Speaker 4: going to be interesting to see if they can convince

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Speaker 4: the family manage. But it really does come down to

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Speaker 4: the adults in the room, and they are these boomers,

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Speaker 4: Bergie and Andrew. They should really just get in the

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Speaker 4: express lane of anonymity, go and move into Frogmore cottage.

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Speaker 4: They only really need one house and disappear until Prince

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Speaker 4: George's coronation.

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Speaker 1: It's been a half in, half out, very awkward situation

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Speaker 1: for Prince Andrew ever since that catastrophic Newsnight interview where

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Speaker 1: he kind of stumbled his way through an explanation of

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Speaker 1: how he had managed to stay friends with Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 1: while not noticing any of the teenage prostitution and sex

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Speaker 1: trafficking that was going on.

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Speaker 6: I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady, none whatsoever.

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Speaker 6: I was at home with the children. I'd taken Beatrice

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Speaker 6: to a pizza Express in working for a party. I

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Speaker 6: have no recollection of that photograph ever being taken.

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Speaker 9: You think it is you next to her in the photo?

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Speaker 6: Oh, it's definitely me.

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Speaker 8: That's a picture of me.

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Speaker 6: It's not a picture of I don't believe it's a

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Speaker 6: picture of me in London because when I were going

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Speaker 6: out to When I go out in London, I wear

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Speaker 6: a suit and a tie. We never had any sort

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Speaker 1: Did the Queen miss an opportunity bear Jenna when she

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Speaker 1: kind of gave Andrew a bit of a light slap

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Speaker 1: on the wrist but didn't fully humiliate him.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think it's hard with the Queen because she look,

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Speaker 4: we never knew what she was thinking that was intentional.

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Speaker 4: And also that she's been sort of criticized in previous

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Speaker 4: years for dragging your heels on things when it comes

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Speaker 4: to dealing with members of her family. And the fact that,

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Speaker 4: as you mentioned, he is considered to be Mummy's favorite

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Speaker 4: boy probably didn't help matters. But I have full faith

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Speaker 4: that King Charles will handle this pretty swiftly because I

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Speaker 4: think he's surrounded by some pretty hard heads. The world

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Speaker 4: has pivoted so much and is changing so much, specifically

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Speaker 4: in the UK now, people are legitimately hurting and they

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Speaker 4: have actual problems that they need to confront, and the

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Speaker 4: Royal family that it just continually seemed to be sucking

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Speaker 4: on the taxpayer teeth is just not going to fly

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Speaker 4: in these mom mirrors.

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Speaker 1: Our sister Marstead. The Times in Britain has reported that

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Speaker 1: it's Princess Katine, the Princess of Wales, who really wants

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Speaker 1: Andrew out of her face. The Prince of Princess of

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Speaker 1: Wales are moving to a new property on the Royal

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Speaker 1: of where Andrew and Sarah are now living in Royal Lodge.

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Speaker 1: What does that tell us about her?

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Speaker 4: I have written about this extensively. I think that she

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Speaker 4: is the be all and end all of the Royal

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Speaker 4: family for the modern era and the modern age, because

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Speaker 4: she actually has that real life experience.

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Speaker 9: The challenges feacing children and the UK today can often

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Speaker 9: feel overwhelming. Both William and I have seen that many

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Speaker 9: young people are struggling to cope with the impact of bullying, bereavement,

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Speaker 9: domestic violence, family break down and more.

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Speaker 4: So, I think it will be interesting to see just

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Speaker 4: how much soft pressure that she will apply on both

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Speaker 4: the King and also her husband, Prince William. But we've

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Speaker 4: sort of seen that in reports that are coming out

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Speaker 4: now that he's already putting pressure on his cousins to

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Speaker 4: into that quiet night.

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Speaker 1: The palace is capable of going hard, aren't they. I

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Speaker 1: mean they iced Parry and Meghan out pretty comprehensively.

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Speaker 4: Definitely, so there is form and I think that they

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Speaker 4: are definitely pulling all of the levers at their disposal.

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Speaker 4: It should not be underestimated the fact that those reports

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Speaker 4: that William is speaking privately to Prince Andrew's daughters are

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Speaker 4: appearing in the BBC, which is obviously an outlet that

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Speaker 4: is very sympathetic to the royal family. I think that

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Speaker 4: speaks volumes. I think we're only going to see the

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Speaker 4: faceless men and women of those communications team really ramp

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Speaker 4: up and earn their pounds in the coming weeks.

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Speaker 1: What would life look like do you think for Andrew

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Speaker 1: and Sarah if Andrew has to relinquish his title of

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Speaker 1: prince and move out of that home.

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Speaker 4: Or I would love to bear a fly on the

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Speaker 4: wall or a part of Megan's vegan garden that she

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Speaker 4: installed at Frogmore Cottage, where those who are pottering around,

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Speaker 4: puttering and tuttering to themselves about how hard done by

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Speaker 4: they are. But look, I think the best thing that

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Speaker 4: they could do is maybe just disappear from the public

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Speaker 4: view and public consciousness for quite some time. I don't

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Speaker 4: think he should be stripped of his title as prince

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Speaker 4: because that will take a whole lot of rigmarole when

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Speaker 4: it comes to the Constitution. And also he hasn't been

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Speaker 4: I think that's probably bridge too far. But it will

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Speaker 4: be interesting to see how the politicians respond to it,

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Speaker 4: because there is mounting pressure on MPs on all sides

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Speaker 4: to do something about Prince Andrew as well.

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Speaker 1: Does it tell us something about how society has changed,

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Speaker 1: you know, the fact that Andrew's friendship with Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 1: was pretty well known. In fact, it was not a secret,

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Speaker 1: but now it's a red line.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think considering all of the things that are

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Speaker 4: and saga in the United States is probably not going

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Speaker 4: to be going away anytime soon, much to the annoyance

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Speaker 4: I would imagine of some very high profile politicians and

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Speaker 4: I just think that people have completely and otherly moved

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Speaker 4: on from the Downton Abbey era of which we all

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Speaker 4: sort of grew up loving the royals in the eighties

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Speaker 1: Well, the day has dawned and the weather proves conclusively

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Speaker 1: that God is a monarchist.

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Speaker 3: Who could dove with my lady.

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Speaker 4: They run the risk, not so the younger Royals of

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Speaker 4: sounding just completely tone deaf and out of touch, which

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Speaker 4: is exactly what Prince Andrew represents.

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Speaker 1: Coming up, Could the vacancy at Royal Lodge create an

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Speaker 1: opportunity for the Californian exiles to return? Do you think

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Speaker 1: this potentially opens a door to a way back for

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Speaker 1: Harry and Meghan. I mean, they are quite annoying, but

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Speaker 1: they haven't hung out with Jeffrey Epstein. Look, I think

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Speaker 1: it has.

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Speaker 4: Meghan and Harry did leave the Royal family or didn't

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Speaker 4: the freedom to voice their opinion on a number of issues.

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Speaker 4: Yet so many things have happened since they have left.

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Speaker 4: They have kind of remained silent. I mean, sure they've

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Speaker 4: delivered care packages for people impacted by fires, but they

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Speaker 4: have not really put their head up to speak about

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Speaker 4: such social issues, political issues, even environmental issues. They haven't

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Speaker 4: really gone on a bender about those. So I think

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Speaker 4: there is a pathway back because they haven't really done

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Speaker 4: much other than make jam.

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Speaker 1: It looks so quite good jam. To be fair, it

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Speaker 1: does look good. Jenna Clark is a culture writer with

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Speaker 1: The Australian. You can check out her take on that

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Speaker 1: story right now at the Australian dot com dot a

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