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Speaker 1: Premier Chris Mins, the Donald Trump situation.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe Jack was playing Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: They're not accurately. Don't worry about it, he said, they're

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Speaker 1: just a couple of.

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Speaker 3: Another week of the podcast, and can I just say

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Speaker 3: the guest today. We've had some good guests on the podcast, Daddy,

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Speaker 3: We've had some good ones. But today what we've got

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Speaker 3: is we have I would say our most powerful guest

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Speaker 4: New South Wales Premier Chris Mine.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to talking to Chris two. We're going to

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Speaker 1: do cook. Just let's just make something clear. We're not

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Speaker 1: going to sit here and ball people with hardcore politics

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Speaker 1: like policy and whatnot. We're going to talk about how

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Speaker 1: he grew up. I tear what Coop I must say.

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Speaker 1: I hope you don't. Hope he doesn't remember. I think

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Speaker 1: once at a game I went to vote Ara Cogra

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Speaker 1: and come up to me and I think you wanted

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Speaker 1: a photo, and you're always gonna be careful when pollies

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Speaker 1: want a photo, because mate, it can basically can run

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Speaker 1: for ten years you become And I think I might

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Speaker 1: have been a little bit rude to him and said no, mate,

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Speaker 1: Nanak God. I hope he doesn't remember.

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Speaker 3: No, he wouldn't. You're not that don't give yourself that

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Speaker 3: much of a rap. Okay, I'll say that right now.

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Speaker 3: He wouldn't have known who you were.

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Speaker 1: Telling and asking about. It's really interesting to get him

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Speaker 1: on last week, huge week in politics, the situation with

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Speaker 1: the attempted assassination on Donald Trump, when he gets his

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Speaker 1: opinion on that. I mean, been a politician in this

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Speaker 1: day and age, man, people, You know, politics is very

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Speaker 1: divisive and for a politician like Premier it can be

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Speaker 1: a little bit hairy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Also, something you say quite a bit on your various

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Speaker 3: media jobs is you're always very interested to see if

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Speaker 3: a politician always wanted to be a politician.

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Speaker 4: I don't get that vibe.

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Speaker 3: From him, so I'm interested to see what he wanted

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Speaker 3: to be growing up, because you always say it's a

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Speaker 3: wanting to be a politic.

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Speaker 1: If you ask a politician what do you want? What

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Speaker 1: do you want to be when you're grown and they

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Speaker 1: say a politician, wrong answer, you got to stay away.

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Speaker 1: I like people who are self made, people who learn

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Speaker 1: all the lessons along the way. And can relate to

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Speaker 1: the to the common working man or woman. I think

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Speaker 1: that's I think that's really important. You've got I think

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Speaker 1: if you're a successful person and you've come through and

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Speaker 1: then you move into politics, you do it for the

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Speaker 1: right reasons.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we go, really go, let's go, let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to have you about my parking fines as well. Well.

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Speaker 1: We have premier Chris Mins in the house, in the

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Speaker 1: John's household. Chris, welcome, thanks for coming over.

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Speaker 2: My pleasure. Thanks Maddie, Thanks Coop, Thanks Jack.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm just going to lean down here with microphone.

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Speaker 3: I've got a couple of gifts, right mate, Now it's

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Speaker 3: the morning, Chris.

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Speaker 1: I know how sensitive this is. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: do a Barrio Farrell on here, but I've actually my

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Speaker 1: mother came up, my mother and father a couple of

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Speaker 1: I said. They said, this is a twenty five year

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Speaker 1: bottle of wine. And I said, wow. Mum said, I

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Speaker 2: Barrio Farrell went down with with Penfolds Grange and I

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Speaker 1: Wine as well, and this one too. I believe your

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Speaker 1: dogs fan absolutely one. Dogs of War, very very good

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Speaker 2: A Shire, Yes, good man. Yeah, having a good year,

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Speaker 2: the Dogs becoming good.

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Speaker 1: They are going good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well they're winning scrappy, but they're winning.

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Speaker 3: The amount of Matt Burton, the amount of a field

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Speaker 1: The black who's made all the difference is Critony. What

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Speaker 4: Have you got a favorite player in the current crop?

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Speaker 1: It was funny last year Chris when they bought Soirealdo

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Speaker 1: Like I thought, those three blokes in particular really let

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Speaker 1: Crichton has come along and apparently they did a preseason

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Speaker 4: So he's it's funny you say that.

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Speaker 3: I've seen Jacob Preston at the pub on Saturday and

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Speaker 2: And they yeah, I mean that winning culture obviously changes

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Speaker 2: with Cooper Kronk about Ricky Stewart would run plays where

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a really really big discipline, particularly when

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Speaker 1: you're playing the halfs Chris I always say, example, the

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Speaker 3: It's how Penrith ended up beating Broncos, like Broncos had

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Speaker 1: Half back by nature. Some of the best ones are sociopaths.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Andrew Johnson now talking about sociopaths like

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think there's a big differences between

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Speaker 2: And the second thing we don't have here is guns. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We'll talking about that. I mean, the John Howard years

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Speaker 4: We're guns legal.

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Speaker 2: Back then, after there's a horrible massacre in Tasmania, Howard

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Speaker 1: You can't it used to and coep, you've got no

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Speaker 2: Yeah, America is a funny place, like they reckon. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's back to the regular.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it funny when when a big thing happens which

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Speaker 1: forces all the tribes to bind together, and that's what

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Speaker 1: We look at Afghanistan as a massive warring tribes at

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Speaker 1: at the moment there's an invasion, they bind together. That's

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Speaker 1: the only thing that really brings together. But in a

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Speaker 2: It's terrible. I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't vote for

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, but it's shocking to think that someone could

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Speaker 2: be killed, and you know, it's the last thing you

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Speaker 2: want to resort to that kind of vil.

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Speaker 3: I know there's not guns and stuff for you, But

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Speaker 3: in your position, have you felt have you ever felt

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Speaker 3: like any unnerving sort of danger?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: Never, honestly never. People are really nice. Sometimes people give

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Speaker 2: not politics relate. This is that it's usually a family

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Speaker 3: Because even sorry, big game, because I heard Kyle on

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Speaker 4: They're just walking around bulls and stuff on their own.

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Speaker 2: Which is that's what That's the kind of country you

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Speaker 1: I walk around with my own security every time we

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Speaker 1: John's Chris. We should have done this right off the

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Speaker 2: But I probably miss him more as a friend, you know,

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Speaker 4: What did he do for work?

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Speaker 2: He was a school teacher, his whole public school teacher

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Speaker 1: Me that, I mean back the prime Minister's Like I remember,

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Speaker 2: Hawk Hawk incredible, incredible. I don't think you'd I think

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Speaker 3: What do you think what do you think that is

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Speaker 1: It was like a theater.

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Speaker 1: To get there and so just tell us, he just

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Speaker 4: It's a little bit like that.

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Speaker 3: I think they just want to know who in, so

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Speaker 1: I mean on Bob Hawk, you're rooting about his legacy.

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Speaker 1: And that was freeing Nelson Mandela before it was sexy,

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Speaker 1: None of them were interested. He just kept driving through,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the Opera House. They had a massive public rally.

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Speaker 3: It's funny Tommy Carroll to the surfer you wanted to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he got Mandela in a chicken wing hip hop.

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Speaker 2: were going to do one in New Zealand as well,

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Speaker 2: and the Teachers Union said, if it goes ahead, we're switching.

438
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Speaker 2: Every single school will put a band on union playing

439
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Speaker 2: wow all forms and we'll switch to either league or soccer.

440
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Speaker 2: Will make it your decision, and the New Zealand Rugby Union.

441
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Speaker 1: Went it is what they were doing, so that forgot

442
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Speaker 1: to try to get back as part of the international community,

443
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Speaker 1: sporting community. They were offering massive money to athletes to

444
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Speaker 1: going to become teams and travel to South Africa, one

445
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Speaker 1: of which was a Great westerniar corrector, Viv Richards. I

446
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Speaker 1: think he was offered in the eighties over a million

447
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Speaker 1: dollars to go and take part in a rebel tour

448
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Speaker 1: for a really short one, and he rejected, said no,

449
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Speaker 1: And I think Mandela went and I think, yeah, what

450
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Speaker 1: a play. You've got a wife and three sons. How

451
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Speaker 1: old are the boys?

452
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Speaker 2: The artist is sixteen, and then the middle ones fourteen,

453
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Speaker 2: and then we've got to drop to seven?

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Speaker 1: Okay, three boys?

455
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to get a girl. We got another boy.

456
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Speaker 2: They all bulldogs supporters, no one of them. One of

457
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Speaker 2: them's are bulldogs and the other two are dragons. We

458
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Speaker 2: live across the road from Jubilee Oval. Oh yeah, so

459
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Speaker 2: I always say, you know, I wouldn't cross the road

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Speaker 2: to watch the dragon. I would cross the road to

461
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Speaker 2: watch the dragons. We live. We're playing for dogs, which

462
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Speaker 2: they are at Jubilee in a couple of weeks time.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that'd be good.

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Speaker 1: How does your wife, Anna, how does how does she

465
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Speaker 1: cope with this, you know, high pro you suddenly have

466
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Speaker 1: this high profile and all the pressures of your job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a bit of a mix. I mean, she's she's

468
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Speaker 2: great fun and we've been together since we were twenty

469
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Speaker 2: twenty years old, so we're kind of we're kind of

470
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Speaker 2: grown up together, you know, I've not We've been together

471
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Speaker 2: longer than we've been apart, so it's it's a bit

472
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Speaker 2: of a joint you know, it's a joint endeavor in

473
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Speaker 2: a funny way. But now we're all really close. We're

474
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Speaker 2: you know, the good thing about state politics is you

475
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Speaker 2: get home to your own house basically every night. It

476
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Speaker 2: might be late, and you might leave early, but at

477
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Speaker 2: least you see everybody. Federal politicians are away half a year,

478
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Speaker 2: and I think it's really I think it's tough on

479
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Speaker 2: their family life. But now we're all Last night and

480
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Speaker 2: I put on The In Between Us first time, and

481
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Speaker 2: i'd gotten I didn't remember how blue it was. Anyway,

482
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Speaker 2: I left for work this morning and faired InCom The

483
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Speaker 2: seven year old goes briefcase Wenker to the house. Okay,

484
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Speaker 2: why did you let him watch it? Like it's it's

485
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Speaker 2: probably appropriate for the sixteen year old, but seven is not.

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Speaker 4: No, not that. How do you go do you take

487
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Speaker 4: a lot of stress home?

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Speaker 3: Like you said, I would imagine over the years, it'll

489
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Speaker 3: be in a high stress environment like that. It's hard

490
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Speaker 3: to not go home in a bad mood some days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I made a little bit. But actually, funnily enough,

492
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Speaker 2: I gave up. I gave up grog about two years ago,

493
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Speaker 2: just over two years ago, and it was a major

494
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Speaker 2: life change for me, like a big, big difference to

495
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Speaker 2: my outlook and my happiness. And I read this book

496
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Speaker 2: by half for Brooks, who's who's a professor at Harvard,

497
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Speaker 2: and it's all about happiness and it sounds a bit funny,

498
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Speaker 2: but I go in for all that self improvement, you

499
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Speaker 2: know stuff, the latest sort of the latest theory. And

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Speaker 2: I think that I think I managed it a bit

501
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Speaker 2: that way. Beforehand, when I first got the job as

502
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Speaker 2: leader of the opposition, we were we were getting absolutely

503
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Speaker 2: creamed by Gladysbury Jicklian, who everybody loved. We were just annihilated.

504
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: And COVID was a bit stressful anyway, so I did

505
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Speaker 2: sort of feel like I was leaning on you know,

506
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Speaker 2: the thing I was looking forward to most throughout the

507
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Speaker 2: day was having a beer or red wine that night.

508
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Speaker 2: And after a while I'm like, well, I want to

509
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Speaker 2: give I want to throw everything out this election campaign,

510
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Speaker 2: just give it my absolute awe and I don't think

511
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Speaker 2: this is this is good for me. So I did

512
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Speaker 2: it for a month then I did it for three months.

513
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Speaker 2: After three months, I'm like, my mood and happiness about

514
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Speaker 2: life is night and day. I'm not going back.

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Speaker 1: What do you do to to compress? We go.

516
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Speaker 2: We try and go down the beach as often as

517
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Speaker 2: we can, so we probably go down. We live in

518
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Speaker 2: southern Sydney, so we got a cronala every weekend and

519
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Speaker 2: I'd either go with the boys or go with Anna

520
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: and just exercise at home. Stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Talk about your education, in particular Princeton University. You went

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Speaker 1: to Princeton, the Ivy League university in New Jersey, of

523
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Speaker 1: which I look he founded seventeen forty six. Some of

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Speaker 1: the people who attended Princeton US President Woodrow Wilson, Michelle Obama,

525
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Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos from Amazon, Albert Einstein had a little stint there,

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Speaker 1: I think, and f Scott Fitzgerald. Can you feel the

527
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Speaker 1: history in the place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean obviously it takes more more

529
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Speaker 2: than just those geniuses, because they let me in. I'm

530
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Speaker 2: not quite that, but no, it was great. I mean,

531
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Speaker 2: funny institution because it's they say it's the northernmost southern university,

532
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Speaker 2: so traditionally it would be where southern families would send

533
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Speaker 2: their kids, and as a result, it's more kind of

534
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Speaker 2: buttoned down. So you know, you go to university campus

535
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Speaker 2: here or something, everybody's having protests and there's things on

536
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Speaker 2: polls and there's not really that kind of vibe there.

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Speaker 1: Because it's funny when I hear Princeton all the time,

538
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Speaker 1: just the very like I didn't exactly know where Princeton was.

539
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Speaker 1: When I hear Princeton, I was thinking, but when I

540
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Speaker 1: found out it was in like New Jersey, they really tough,

541
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Speaker 1: working class area. That surprised me. I suppose that's part

542
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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little bit like it's an hour from

544
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Speaker 2: Manhattan than an hour from Philadelphia. Philadelphia is a great city,

545
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Speaker 2: by the way. I don't know if you guys have

546
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Speaker 2: been there, but I would. I'd recommend it. It's a

547
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Speaker 2: lot of fun, amazing history, you know, great art galleries

548
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Speaker 2: and a big sport culture there too, So it's sort

549
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Speaker 2: of equidistance between the two of them, a little bit

550
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Speaker 2: like like a bowl or something like a little bit rural.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is there many Aussies over there, like you were

552
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Speaker 3: the only real Australia there was?

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Speaker 2: There was there was a couple in in my course,

554
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Speaker 2: but not not a lot.

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Speaker 4: How did that come about? How did you actually get

556
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Speaker 4: into applied?

557
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I wanted to break and try something new,

558
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Speaker 2: get out of the country if we possibly could, and

559
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Speaker 2: so I just applied.

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Speaker 3: The culture of it is it like, uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: there's so many movies that Porky's Animal, Prevenge of the Nerves.

562
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Speaker 3: There's so many big movies American Plier School, and it

563
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Speaker 3: just portrays American college life in a certain way.

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Speaker 1: How accurate are those How accurate?

565
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Speaker 4: They're not accurate?

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Speaker 2: No? No, I mean I think maybe, I mean Americans

567
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Speaker 2: are big travelers, like because the country is so big,

568
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: whereas in Australia, if you wherever you live, it's probably paradise,

569
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Speaker 2: so you're likely to move. But Americans a big traveler,

570
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Speaker 2: so they'll go away to college and they will go

571
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Speaker 2: they will travel to the other side of the country

572
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Speaker 2: for work. So I don't really sort of have that

573
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Speaker 2: in Australia as much. I mean, people move obviously, but

574
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Speaker 2: so as a result, to cut along story short, you've

575
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Speaker 2: got a whole bunch of people from all over the

576
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Speaker 2: world and all over the country who come together, which

577
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: is a good environment to make friends because no one.

578
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Speaker 2: There's no established relationships. Like it's not like you're, you know,

579
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Speaker 2: a dog in this high school where you're trying to

580
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Speaker 2: you know, bust your way into an existing sort of group.

581
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Speaker 2: So that makes it a lot easier. Yeah, it was interesting.

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Speaker 1: The nature of Princeton was a very hierarchical, you know,

583
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Speaker 1: compared to you hear a lot of in America, you know,

584
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Speaker 1: old money versus new money, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: They had a lot of it's very it's very wealthy.

586
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Speaker 2: So I think they had an endowment of at the

587
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Speaker 2: time forty billion dollars. And it's not a big it's

588
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Speaker 2: not big. There's only I think there's only five thousand students,

589
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Speaker 2: so it's it's pretty small. So they give a lot

590
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Speaker 2: of scholarships out and I think that they I don't

591
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Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on it, but I think they

592
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Speaker 2: try and you know, level it up and have people

593
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Speaker 2: from many different backgrounds there.

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Speaker 4: You know, right, is there a big like jock? Is

595
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Speaker 4: there a big jocks at that school?

596
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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 4: Is it a big What kind of school is Princeton?

598
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Speaker 4: Is it a is it college football?

599
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Speaker 1: Is it basketball?

600
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Speaker 2: So not at that, not at the Pac twelve or

601
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Speaker 2: AC or level. But they they play, they play in

602
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Speaker 2: the IVY League, so they would have like a basketball

603
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Speaker 2: I'm amazed how much sport they play, so they would

604
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Speaker 2: have football season was fun. They had this giant as

605
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Speaker 2: is it five thousand students. They had a thirty thousand

606
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Speaker 2: seat stadium. They pack it out if they're playing one

607
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Speaker 2: of the big schools. They did, yeah, and that was fun.

608
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Speaker 2: Everybody just piled into everyone went down there, like the

609
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: whole town basically was out the front. They do it.

610
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Speaker 2: They call it tailgating. Yeah, you get drunk in the

611
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Speaker 2: car park. They've got a history of not have an

612
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Speaker 2: alcohol in the in the stadium, so I think they kind.

613
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Speaker 1: Of feel like yeah, yeah, yeah.

614
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Speaker 2: Have like barbecues on the back of trucks and things

615
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: like that. So that was that was great fun and

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Speaker 2: it is. I don't know what you guys find, but

617
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Speaker 2: I find Americans are really, actually, really good at that

618
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: kind of hospitality. You might not even know when they're

619
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Speaker 2: like the community to know you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The equivalent we had Tom Tarovitch on the podcast last week,

622
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Speaker 3: and the equivalent I can in Australian terms is it's

623
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Speaker 3: like a local rugby league match down there and you've got.

624
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Speaker 4: The blokes on the barbecue doing it. Hey, come over

625
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Speaker 4: here and have a sausage.

626
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Speaker 3: Like it's that sense of community, but on a grand scale,

627
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Speaker 3: like they're at a college or an NFL match and

628
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: they're out there smoking all their meats and they just

629
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Speaker 3: give it.

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Speaker 4: To you, give you free piece.

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Speaker 1: But when we went over there was myself, Fletch, Heindi

632
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Speaker 1: and Gordy. We were at the Las Vegas Raiders game

633
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Speaker 1: and we said to the guys, we're going to go tailgating,

634
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Speaker 1: and one of the locals I just careful, it's pretty

635
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Speaker 1: heavy there. You know, you get a lot of them

636
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Speaker 1: and we're like, okay, you know, we turned out. Honestly,

637
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Speaker 1: they could not have been nicer. It's like, you know,

638
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Speaker 1: come and have a beer with us and you know,

639
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, have some ribs and it was fantastic. Yeah. Yeah,

640
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: I sort of had that sense that bad people bad people.

641
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Speaker 1: If they say don't go somewhere in Australia, you know,

642
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Speaker 1: a sporting match, it'd be a lot more dangerous than

643
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Speaker 1: it would have ben. I think in the States, maybe

644
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: it's not maybe just maybe they.

645
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Speaker 2: Just the worst. What's the worst crowd I've had?

646
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not going to say the ground where it

647
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Speaker 1: had happened. I've had I've had some doozies. Remember once

648
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: we were playing a team and don't know because spurgeons

649
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: on clubs and their supporters, but I will coming out

650
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: after half time and the first half it was hot.

651
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: It was an early early season game, but twenty six,

652
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Speaker 1: twenty seven degrees, and as we're coming as we're coming

653
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: out of the tunnel after half time, it was like,

654
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: we're coming out, so it's raining. It wasn't raining. The

655
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: fans were clearing their throats.

656
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,959
Speaker 4: That may have actually happened to me at the same ground.

657
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 3: Oh really, Yeah, in one of my early games, one

658
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: of my early first few debut games, and I was

659
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: coming off at halftime and may have sort of looked

660
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: up at the wrong time and it hit me square

661
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: between the ice.

662
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: Disgusting.

663
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, pre politics, you worked in youth mental health. Yep, Chris,

664
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: what did you learn there?

665
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was in twenty at the end

666
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: of the twenty the beginning of the twenty tens, and

667
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: actually there'd been a big investment from the late nineties.

668
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: I was talking to someone the other day. Actually, I

669
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: graduated high school in nineteen ninety seven, and it was

670
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: with the details, but it was a bad year for

671
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: people suffering mental illness and even taking their own lives,

672
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: and that happened in our in our year, and then

673
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: there was a big decline the big government effort, a

674
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: lot of resources, a lot of funding. Unfortunately, so that's

675
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: when I was involved in the twenty tens. Unfortunately, we're

676
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: back to that late nineties level now of of people

677
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: self harming, taking their own lives.

678
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: There a reason for that, do you think, Well, I think.

679
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: It's social media. I'm going to be honest, Yeah, yeah,

680
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 2: I think if you look at if you look at

681
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 2: the if you look at the data from all advanced countries,

682
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: so Australia and New Zealand, European countries in the US,

683
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: it almost exactly correlates to the day with mass access

684
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 2: to social media. So I mean the social media companies,

685
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: it's not related. But I just.

686
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: Find absolutely it's got to be a question for you there, Chris,

687
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: if you'd come out and be really strong on policy

688
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: on social media at Facebook, Insta, et cetera, et cetera,

689
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: et cetera. Do they trying to get the right term here?

690
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: Do they exert pressure through there, you know, through through

691
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: their social media on you. Because I remember years ago

692
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: that there was a guy who made a fortune out

693
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: of Facebook with Zuckerberg, but then broke away and started

694
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: Cambridge Analytica, So he was the one that he would

695
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: He gets employed by political parties or businesses to basically

696
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: just bombard social media with fake news on their opponents.

697
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: Do it? Do you get that kind of blowback?

698
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: Probably not directly, but Canada just introduced major changes, So

699
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: I might have this wrong, but you know I can't

700
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: join up to sixteen that's hard doing force. But at

701
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: least that's the rule, right, So the social media companies

702
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: at least have to buy it by it and a

703
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: whole bunch of changes to news gathering and how to

704
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: share content. So the big social media companies just switched

705
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: off their local news from access to their social media sites,

706
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: which had a massive impact to their bottom line getting

707
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 2: information out. You know, that'd be a big part of

708
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: Kyle and Jackie's program, and you know, Fox and Everybody's

709
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 2: pretty integrated into social media network. So these big companies,

710
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: if they switch it off, have a major impact to

711
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: the commercial viability of your program, which is what they've

712
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: tried to do in Canada. Now, probably the view is

713
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: that that's an attempt to intimidate the rest of the world.

714
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: But something's got to give here. I mean, it's a mess,

715
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: and I don't know about you guys, but it's not

716
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: on my phone. I just took it off. I took

717
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: off all of them. I get my news three minutes

718
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: after everybody else. Now, big deal. And I don't have

719
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 2: like relentless personal abuse that people feel that they can

720
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: throw you, which isn't healthy. It's not you know, I

721
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: don't think humans are designed they live their life that way.

722
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: I agree, Chris. I've never had it, and I've never

723
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 1: like Twitter or anything like that. And actually I don't

724
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: even own a computer. I have an email address, which

725
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: is anyway, that's how I live my life. But what

726
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: it does. You don't want to go through life second

727
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: guessing your opinions on everything you say by what someone

728
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: might ride on Twitter and fire back at you. You know,

729
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: I think I wander through life deliciously naive to what

730
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: people think about me. And it feels glorious.

731
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: Beeline bus when you get on the.

732
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: Babe on there was one funny on the on the

733
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: Beeline bus one day I jump on and I'm sitting

734
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: there and this bloke's staring over and he says, you

735
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: mind if I sit there, So I say, yeah, you

736
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: good as go. He said you look like one of

737
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: those John's brothers. And I said, oh no, I don't

738
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: know who you're talking about. And he said, he said,

739
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: I don't worry about it. He said, they're just a

740
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: couple of fun with.

741
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 4: It wasn't wrong.

742
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: I was wearing my jacket at Superbarn in San Susi

743
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: the other day and it's a freebie. It's from it's

744
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: from the Institute of Sport. Anyway, I was wearing a

745
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: Sunday morning at Superbarn and this dude come. This guy

746
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: was sort of looking at me. I thought he's going

747
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: to come up and say something, and he goes, are

748
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: you in the New South Wales ski team? It's it's

749
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: free that episode of Sign Felt with George Costans, but

750
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: he had the ski ticket on that he's still going

751
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: to the ski fields.

752
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, very good fire fighter. You're a firefighter?

753
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah briefly, yeah, yeah, I was just I was finishing

754
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: UNI and there was just a sign retained firefighter in

755
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: the in the firehouse, so I signed up. It was

756
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: good fun.

757
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 4: It's easy. You can do it.

758
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 2: You just if you if you're on call firefighter. Yeah,

759
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: it was pretty easy. It recruits by station for the

760
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: for the permanent guys. Yeah, I think they have. We

761
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: had them through the other day. I think they have

762
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: like one hundred positions seven thousand applicants, so.

763
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: It must be a great camaraderie.

764
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was good. Yeah, it was good fun.

765
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: My grandfather was a firefighter and like his whole life

766
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: and retired as a superintendent, which back in the day

767
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: was sort of I don't know, somewhere in the hierarchy.

768
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: And for a period of time, my mum lived on

769
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: the fire station. The whole family did. The chief lived

770
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: on top of wool and gone fire station. So yeah,

771
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: it's an interesting Did you.

772
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 4: Have the Was it like Ghostbuster style, like sliding down

773
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 4: the poles and stuff?

774
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: You know what they Why do I think that? Because

775
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: what they used to have they have the twirling stairs

776
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: because back in the day before they had fire engines,

777
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: it was like horse and cart, and so they kept

778
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: the horses downstairs and to stop them going upstairs, they

779
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: had to make stairs. Yeah, so the horses couldn't go

780
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: up and get into get upstairs where all the beds

781
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: and all the fires were.

782
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 4: But there's no poles anymore these days.

783
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: I hate to break your heart. It's not the Flintstones, brother.

784
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: It saves you about four seconds. We could just use

785
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: the stairs from now and I.

786
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: Reckon Chris again. Not to go political, we have but

787
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: you know we're not diving too deep into it. But

788
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: when you when you became premier, what was your dad's reaction?

789
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, mate, like over the moon and yeah it was.

790
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: It was. He died when he was seventy two. So

791
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: my mom says, we want him. We wanted him around longer,

792
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: but he had a really good life. We're super close family,

793
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: our extended family. My mum and dad had dinner every

794
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: Wednesday night, so cousins, girlfriends, mate, friends, everybody just piles

795
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 2: in every single week. So we wanted him around longer.

796
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: But kind of like a good movie that goes for

797
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: an hour and a half or something, it was well formed.

798
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: It was kind of perfect. So you know, he got

799
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: to see me win the election. My brother just graduated

800
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: law at UNI. We wanted him around longer, as I said,

801
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: but you know, we take a lot of comfort that

802
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: he had a good life.

803
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 4: He really wanted you to go into politics, Like was

804
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 4: he a big advocate for you?

805
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 2: Oh, he was probably a bit skeptical about that. Sorry,

806
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: not skeptical. But it can be hard. It's a lot

807
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: of criticism and it can be difficult. So I don't.

808
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: Same with my kids. I wouldn't if they if they

809
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: were passionate about if they needed to do it, if

810
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: it was something that they would there would be a

811
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: whole if unless they did it, then I'd say go

812
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: for it. But if they were fifty fifty, I'd say,

813
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: you'd be better.

814
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 3: Thing you'd never want to see, like your kids go

815
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: into a role where it's high pressure, high criticism. I

816
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: know Dad was when Jack and I started playing forty

817
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: you were you did not want us to do that

818
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: at all.

819
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: You know. It's funny when I the day I got

820
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: elected twenty fifteen, I was at Carlton South Public School

821
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 2: at eight o'clock in the morning waiting for the first

822
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: voter to cross the road on Jubilee Avenue and walk in,

823
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: and it was you, really, Maddie John's really you were

824
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: playing or maybe Jack was playing across the road for

825
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: Manly and yeah.

826
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: That would yeah, that you blakes would have been playing

827
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: under twenties. You're playing twenties, yep.

828
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: And I said, can I have a fat on it?

829
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

830
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 2: Right, And he goes, what's the line like? And I'm like, oh,

831
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty good. And then you came back

832
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: two minutes later and go makee lawns really lot what

833
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: you talked about.

834
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: Anyway, you said before about things being hard, and I

835
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: imagine being which, by the way, is the reason I've

836
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: got so much respect for you. You're a centrist, which

837
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: I reckon these days would be like sitting in the middle.

838
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: Sitting right in the middle of a highway with two

839
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: mac tracks coming either way from the left and the right.

840
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: Is that hard? Well?

841
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think we probably are moving to

842
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: a more polarized left right. You know, you've got to

843
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: be in one team, you've got to be in the other.

844
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: My strong view is that most people are still in

845
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: the middle, That they don't think that Labour's got the

846
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 2: monopoly on all the good ideas, and they don't think

847
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: that the Liberal Party always get it right one hundred

848
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: percent of the time. That they want a little bit

849
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: from both, and that that balance is really crucial to

850
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: having you know, the kind of community and economy that

851
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: we want. So we're pretty we're pretty ruthless about it

852
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: that we we guide the government with common sense and

853
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: pragmatic solutions. And my view is whatever works, Like, if

854
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: it's a policy that is going to make a difference,

855
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: then who cares where it came from. And I'm more

856
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: than happy to steal it from the other guys if

857
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: I think it's going to make it. If I think

858
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: it's going to work, and I reckon. My sense is

859
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: that these things come in and out of fashion, so

860
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 2: you know, you probably have a more polarized, split political

861
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: environment and then people go, I'm sick of that. I

862
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: want to have more centrist government. Hopefully we're in that

863
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: middle phase, but we're not going to change. And yeah,

864
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: my colleagues are of the same view, probably because we've

865
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: had so much failure over twelve years. We've lost and

866
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: lost and lost and lost, and you know, we don't

867
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: want to keep doing that. We want to have a

868
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 2: government that people can get behind.

869
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: It's so easy to think that most people are far

870
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: left or far right because they make the most noise. Exactly,

871
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: they made them one.

872
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: But most people aren't like that. I think the other

873
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: advantage is that because we're in state politics, everybody lives

874
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: in the suburbs, you know, so Camber is a real bubble,

875
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: and whether you're labor or liberal, But in McQuary Street,

876
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: you walk out of McQuary Street, no one knows who

877
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: you are. And politics isn't the number one game in

878
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: town for a town like a place like Sydney. So

879
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 2: I think that's actually helpful in a funny way because

880
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 2: you knock around with Dad's at football or touch football

881
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: or at the school and you see what's really going

882
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 2: on locally.

883
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: There's a funny story I remember when I remember at

884
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: the time Bob Carr. This is a long long time ago.

885
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: Bob Carr was a premier New South Wales coops and

886
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: what they must have been on to him, because Bob

887
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: was very much an elitist, you would say, held in

888
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: that he held himself that way is academic and they

889
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: must have got him said listen, we need you to

890
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: just be a little bit more of it every day man.

891
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: So they had they were filming him and he walks

892
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: into a pub right and these old blokes are sitting

893
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: now at the bar with these old alcos and he

894
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: goes fellas, how are you, Bob car beer beer? You

895
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: want to beer? Yep? And if you don't mind, Dunning,

896
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: I'll have an lemonade. Man of the people.

897
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: They made him. They made him every year, the stories.

898
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: They made him go to the Grand Final. Didn't want

899
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: to go, but he had to go. So he went

900
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: one year and he was reading the game was on,

901
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 2: reading a book and they gave Bob, what are you reading? Hey,

902
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: why are you reading? The Game's on? And b what

903
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: are you reading? And it was a German translation of

904
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: Jane Eyre. The games so relatable.

905
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: I saw him recently, Bob, and he came up and

906
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: he said, Maddie, He said, I met you at it

907
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 1: was the civic reception after his one, the ninety seven

908
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: Grand Final, and he said, what a great day that was?

909
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: And you remember that? And he remembered it all. Yeah,

910
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: suppose he's a great politician.

911
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 2: You know, we had a good He had a good

912
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: feel for the Hunter, in particular. He told me this story.

913
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: It would be real interest to you, Maddie. Is he

914
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: was premier when the BHP announced that the steel works

915
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: were closing down, and he was on his way to

916
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,919
Speaker 2: do something somewhere else and he goes, we're going straight there.

917
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: So the car went straight north and then they you know,

918
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 2: the mayor and the townspeople and the treasurer, everybody worked

919
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: to come up with a rescue plan that was two

920
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: thousand jobs or something. Yeah, and that happened around the

921
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 2: same time.

922
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: At the same time. It's interesting, you know, people, because

923
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: when we won that game, there was an unusual explosion.

924
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: You would say, you know the I mean, it's a

925
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: regular community, but it just went The place just went off.

926
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: The whole region went off for about a month. The

927
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: reason was it endured such difficult times. We had the shutdown.

928
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: Most of the coal mines, tinto coal mines were on strike,

929
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: so there was a lot going on in the community.

930
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

931
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: And I think that's at the civic recepsion where Bob

932
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: was at. I think we had one hundred and twenty

933
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: thousand people at it.

934
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: Amazing, it was.

935
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: It was nice.

936
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: Bob wasn't going to give that up.

937
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: No way, This is fantastic.

938
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 3: Or here for me, Okay, what's I want to ask you,

939
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: what's your what's the end goal for you?

940
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 4: What's like, do you have an end goal or you're

941
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 4: just taking it?

942
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 3: Because you're very much like a like we're just saying there,

943
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 3: you're very much connected to the community. You know, you

944
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 3: do a lot of you do the color Jackie O

945
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: Show a lot. You just come in and just yeah

946
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: and you just be yourself. Is there is there another

947
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: level you want to get to it?

948
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: You like, just no, this is it. This is it

949
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: for politics for me. Yeah, this will be my last

950
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: job in politics. Like I've never wanted to go to

951
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: Canberra or take on another job, so this will be it.

952
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 2: But I mean it's a funny one because you only

953
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: stay as long as people warn you and either your

954
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 2: colleagues go where sick of you, you're out, or the

955
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: public go, no, we're done. But at the moment, yeah,

956
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: the days are full. It's exciting. It's a funny. It's

957
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: I say to people who are interested in it, who

958
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: really want to do it. A, you really got to

959
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 2: want to do it because it can take a lot

960
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: out of you. But B there's not many jobs where

961
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: you turn on the radio in the morning and what

962
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: they're talking about on the radio is what you're doing

963
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: that day. Like, it's exciting and every day is different.

964
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: And if you if you if you need that kind

965
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: of excitement is you know it's a good job. Yeah.

966
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if I need it for my whole life,

967
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 2: but right now for this period of time.

968
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: How do you how do you enjoy doing show like

969
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 3: the radio shows shows that like, like we just spoke

970
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: about the Colin jack Yo show. You're you're on there,

971
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 3: you come in there sometimes, Yeah, it's quite for a politician,

972
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: I would say it's probably quite inappropriate. How do you

973
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 3: how do you handle those sorts of questions that you

974
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: might get asked.

975
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: Someone that there was one I can't even go into it.

976
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 2: Actually no, I can't even talk about it. Kyle was

977
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: on about something that was happening in the Bond Junction

978
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: car park and then the first question was to me

979
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: about that and I just went bright red, gumming. I

980
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: don't even know what to say, Like my I saw

981
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: my whole career flashing the front of my eyes. I'm like,

982
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: there's no right answer.

983
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: Well, Chris, at least you know what to expect compared

984
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: to when they've gone out of Melbourne. The Victorian from

985
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: Chris to finished. We just do a quick thing with

986
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: menu questions, just you know, to find out some of

987
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: your influences your political hero.

988
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: Uh, it'd be it'd probably be Poor Keating. Yep. Yeah,

989
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: I just liked I think he had style and yeah,

990
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: on a model myself on Paul Eating. But I found

991
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 2: him pretty exciting. And I think that happened at that age,

992
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 2: you know, you're at that of impressionable age.

993
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: Two stories had heard about poor Keating, one of which

994
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: was when the musical was out keeping the musical Yep,

995
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: they were like, God, you know, I wonder if he's

996
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: going to be offended. He was there basically the first week.

997
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: He was there every night and when they did the

998
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: yeah like the ovation, he would stand up and sort

999
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: of wave to the crowds, thank you guys. And the

1000
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: other one was he was over he was overseas, it

1001
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: might have been Italy or France, and he saw this

1002
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: special shade of blue on one of the houses and

1003
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: he went, oh, God, like that. I'd like to you know,

1004
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: I'd like to come back and pay my house and

1005
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: on that. So he went to it might have been Torments,

1006
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: one of those one of those big ones here in Australia,

1007
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: and said, you know this color blue and they didn't

1008
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: have didn't have it. But he showed him a picture

1009
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: and they mixed it up and they said, okay, well

1010
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: you've you've sort of brought it back and come up

1011
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: with the idea. You name it, and he named it.

1012
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: Keating Blue.

1013
00:51:54,640 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 2: Is like we seem a bit He's completely unintimidated by anyone,

1014
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 2: anyone like this guy is never cowered, not under like,

1015
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: does not lack confidence in any circumstances. Like I asked him.

1016
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: I was just quizzing him because I'm interested in the history,

1017
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 2: and he's met all these people, so I'm like, what's

1018
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: you know? What was George Bush Senior? Like, George, Yeah,

1019
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: he's a right, nothing special, like you just went through

1020
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: all these people. What was Margaret? That's like fine, they're

1021
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: not bad. Yeah, like just completely confident in himself one

1022
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: hundred percent. Like what is like on television is what

1023
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: is exactly like in real life.

1024
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: Took me to George Bush Sr. Singer was courting one

1025
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: of his wives once and she originally wouldn't go out

1026
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: with him. So he rung George Bush and said, can

1027
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: you call this woman a vouch for me?

1028
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 4: How'd they go for him?

1029
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: Uh, We're good. He ended up marrying it for a month.

1030
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: A movie that inspired.

1031
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 2: You, um movie? Oh, you know that there's a good

1032
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get my kids to watch it, but

1033
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: they they don't want to do it. There's there's this

1034
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: German movie called The Lives of Others, which is really

1035
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: really good. It doesn't sound like it'd be great, but

1036
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 2: it's all in subtitles, so you've got to read it

1037
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: unless you speak German. But I've always I've always loved

1038
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: that movie. Yeah, it's worth it. It's good.

1039
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: Have you got a song or an out of a

1040
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: band that is a favorite?

1041
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: Always loved Radiohead. I love to see Radiohead play. Yeah,

1042
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 2: I reckon if they're probably my favorite band.

1043
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 4: Have you got a favorite song of that?

1044
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: Anything on okay computer would be probably Paranoid Android or

1045
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: something like that.

1046
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm an English music man, I said, sort of

1047
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: the other side, I'd like some of Radiohead. I'm sort

1048
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: of more Oasis. That's sort of way supposed with that

1049
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,479
Speaker 1: laddie Yeah yeah, dysfunctional family, low brow.

1050
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 2: You can watch You can watch Noel Gallagher on YouTube

1051
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: for hours, like he's just so entertaining. Yeah, completely off

1052
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: his face but.

1053
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: Hilarious, whip smart yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I think

1054
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: sometimes people don't see him coming. You know they look

1055
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: at yeah him and and thing to him, so you

1056
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: need to push over and he just burns people sometimes.

1057
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1058
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 4: Favorite place in the world of travel.

1059
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 2: Probably we went Anna and I got away to Paris, France.

1060
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: I thought that was amazing. I've never been there before,

1061
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: so that was about seven years ago.

1062
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: Dad's going there next week. You've got any recommendations for him.

1063
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 3: Eiffel Tower, Oh.

1064
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Affel Tower after ring Down?

1065
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 3: What about the worst place you've ever been, but you'd

1066
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: never go, like on holiday?

1067
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I booked this place, right, We had a

1068
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 2: wedding in the town's beautiful, but Bellingen it's a beautiful town. Yep. Anyway,

1069
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: you know they have big touch football comps in Coffs Harbor,

1070
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: so mate, the joint was packed out and Coffs Harbor

1071
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: was booked out too, so she booked a room at

1072
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: the pub. So it was anime the three boys and

1073
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: paper thin walls with a hotel that was open till

1074
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning and they toilet just a

1075
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 2: basin in the corner, which was the nightmare. And I

1076
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: go how many nights were here? She was three nights.

1077
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: So then it was this big gobful about well why

1078
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: don't you book anything?

1079
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I drew it. One of

1080
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: those I Trish always gets funny about certain places to travel.

1081
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: I remember last year I said, come on, we've got

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Speaker 1: to go to Liverpool in the UK. She goes, oh,

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00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: you know her bent Italian. What do you want to

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00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: go to that sort of uncultured place. And of course

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00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: he went there and it was insane, but I got it.

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00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: I took her to Cuba once, to Havana, and she

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00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: didn't want to go. I said, come on, trust me,

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00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: and of course we went into this hotel and it's

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00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: like being back. You're back in the fifties. And the

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00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: toilet system was like the fifties. You weren't You couldn't flush,

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00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: so after you did your business you had to put

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00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: the toilet paper in a bin. Oh what then yeah,

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00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: next to it, and there was like put it this way.

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00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: The photos from that the hotel England Terra looked fantastic,

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00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: and then we got there. We were like, oh my god,

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00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: are were staying at the Poor Cousins?

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00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: Is that on the town square?

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00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm central, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought

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00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: you were. I lined after the buffet and you said,

1100
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: I said how long that line is?

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00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: How terrible for the food?

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00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: Give? Oh my god?

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00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 2: Is the music and the alcohol are amazing?

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00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's something about the you think. I think

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00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 2: the Americans have got an embargo so they can't fish

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00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: off off the off these too far, which means they

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00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of seafood coming in and their

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00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: national dishes goat or something like that.

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00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah, that you're right. You see

1111
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: him on the big break wall there. Yeah, fishing, but yeah,

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00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: they can't go too far out on a boat. Yeah,

1113
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: because I mean back in the day with the embargo

1114
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: still going on, I know Obama relaxed a little bit,

1115
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: but it's I think they're back to, you know, almost

1116
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: Cold war sort of stuff where you know they can't

1117
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: go either way. But back in the day, I mean,

1118
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: the Cuban's got the best baseballers in the world, them

1119
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: and the Dominican Republic, and what Major League Baseball teams

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00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: would do is go, Okay, there was Blake called l Duke,

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00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: and they said it was the best pitcher in the world,

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00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: but he couldn't get out of Cuba. And they said,

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00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: there's the Yankees went, there's one hundred million dollars US

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00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: on the table if you can get here, And so

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00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: he went there. They would literally go across in rowboats

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Speaker 1: and get to Miami.

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Speaker 2: That was it.

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Speaker 1: They sit on the wall, the break wall there and

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00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: they look across in like almost the distance where you

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00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: can almost you can almost see Florida. Yeah, amazing.

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00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: They had this thing called wet feet, dry feet. So

1132
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 2: if you get caught in the channel, I don't know

1133
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: if he's still the case, they send you back, but

1134
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 2: if you make it, you're in. Yeah, you're heavily incentivized

1135
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: to wow, if you can get out that.

1136
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: Elduk's brother he got out there. He was on the

1137
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: George Bush, George W. Bush under Florida Marlins, and he

1138
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: went that. They wanted to get his brother over and

1139
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: it was the same thing, sixty million dollars on the table,

1140
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: you can get here. So he went across in a rowboat,

1141
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: hit like heavy seas and.

1142
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 2: Washed up luckily and Haiti so he could get there's

1143
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: a documentary about it, Scarface said, I heard of it.

1144
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: There is a documentary thirty for thirty on the two brothers.

1145
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: It was called uh check check it out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very very good, great sandwiches as well, Cuba

1147
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 4: as well.

1148
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: Most instory haming away.

1149
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 2: Mate, Yeah, he can get his bar and he's fishing ones.

1150
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah really, there's you going to love Floridita. That's where

1151
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: he would He lived up the road, hotel and boss. Anyway,

1152
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: listen to tourism. He was up there and he would

1153
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: wander down. He would write most of the morning. Then

1154
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: he would wander down to El Floridita and that he

1155
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: would have grapefruit dackeries and there's they have a statue

1156
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: in the corner where he would sit every afternoon when

1157
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 1: he was riding Old Man in the Sea.

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00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, we'll get off for a second most impressive

1159
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 3: person you've ever met.

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Speaker 2: Ah Ah, that's a hard one, Dad, stop looking at it.

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00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't want yeah maybe yeah yeah

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00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,439
Speaker 2: yeah yeah yeah. Paul's brother.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is the last one.

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Speaker 3: We always like to wrap it up with this. Let's

1165
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 3: say things, don't know. A stressful year for you, you

1166
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 3: you pass away. It's an easy way to this year

1167
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 3: because the podcast comes out.

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01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 2: You're immediately about to die.

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01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: To make it.

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Speaker 4: Relevant for the listeners, got to bring him in. What's

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01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 4: the one song you want as Dad and I carry

1173
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 4: you down the coffin down?

1174
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: What do you?

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01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 4: What song do you want us to pick for you?

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01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: Not Creep by Radio?

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01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, maybe maybe on the Road Again by Willie

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01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 2: Wilson nice.

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01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: We love Willly Nelson, We do, Chris love to mate. Listen.

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01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you making the journey over here, and yeah,

1182
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I really appreciate it. And you know,

1183
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 1: apart from you away from politics, you're really good. Great guys,

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01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: so th thanks to con appreciate it.

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01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: Thanks Jack, Thanks guys, don't thank Jack.

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Speaker 4: He's m