WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 19 September

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<v Speaker 1>On Scolus Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Reader Panalty Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panety Show.

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<v Speaker 4>Coming up tonight, the Albernizi government's or Wellian disinformation legislation

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<v Speaker 4>is making news in the US. Douglas Murray will be

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<v Speaker 4>with me shortly to discuss that and much more. The

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<v Speaker 4>man behind the groundbreaking research into institutional anti Semitism at

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<v Speaker 4>the BBC will join me later in the hour, and

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<v Speaker 4>Nick Cator will explain why the Tials are lurching further

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<v Speaker 4>left and talking about the left.

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<v Speaker 3>Tonight's edition of Lefties.

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<v Speaker 4>Losing It features totally normal folk telling us why Conservatives

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<v Speaker 4>are so weird.

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<v Speaker 5>What is something weird about Conservatives?

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<v Speaker 6>There is a almost a cull tesh vibe. I feel,

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<v Speaker 6>the way they operate within themselves. They refuse to listen

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<v Speaker 6>to outside people you know there, refusing to learn, essentially,

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<v Speaker 6>I think that is a large part of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we hear plenty from the tills about Conservative male

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<v Speaker 4>MPs in the Australian Parliament needing to lift their standards

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<v Speaker 4>of behavior, but nothing about their ideological bedfellows. The Greens

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<v Speaker 4>are indeed former green Lydia Thorpe who this week decided

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<v Speaker 4>to interrupt Liberal Senator Alex Antick as he tried to

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<v Speaker 4>speak about divisive welcome to country ceremonies.

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<v Speaker 7>Have a look at this now.

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<v Speaker 8>The idea that AFL fans and players are expected to

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<v Speaker 8>listen to these ceremonies when all they actually want to

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<v Speaker 8>do is watch the footy is extraordinary, and one suspects

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<v Speaker 8>that many viewers, who in principle wouldn't have had a

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<v Speaker 8>problem with these practices, are getting as fed.

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<v Speaker 9>Up Antice senathorpt of order.

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<v Speaker 10>No, I just want to interrupt his speech.

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<v Speaker 9>Seriously, can we just you know too minutes? It's an

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<v Speaker 9>antic thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh dear.

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<v Speaker 4>The speaker was fed up, but Lydia was not done yet.

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<v Speaker 8>Woke community meetings, woke sports matches, wope council.

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<v Speaker 9>Meeting, the antics and just visunior seat colleagues. We're only

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<v Speaker 9>asking to listen in peace and quiet for two minutes,

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<v Speaker 9>that's all. It's not a big ask. Can we just

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<v Speaker 9>do that one? The galleys full of people watching the

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<v Speaker 9>behavior here, it's quite childish. Order, Senator Antique, you have

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<v Speaker 9>the core again.

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<v Speaker 8>I think we are making the point very clearly here.

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<v Speaker 8>Now it's two hundred and fifty thousand years, and as

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<v Speaker 8>we've said before, I don't need to be welcome to

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<v Speaker 8>my own country in nough to you, what we witch

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<v Speaker 8>witnessed before the match last weekend was a product of

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<v Speaker 8>letting this ride for too long? Have you had enough?

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<v Speaker 8>I certainly have.

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<v Speaker 4>Joining me now as senior fellow at the Menzies Research

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<v Speaker 4>Center and senior columnists with the Australian newspaper, Nick Kait Nick,

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<v Speaker 4>what did you make of Senator Thorpe's performance? The speaker

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<v Speaker 4>was certainly frustrated.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, look at what I love about Alexander as he

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<v Speaker 11>goes in there and says things will be perfectly uncontroversial

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<v Speaker 11>in probably ninety five percent of Australia, but of course

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<v Speaker 11>in the Senate Chamber, Oh.

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<v Speaker 10>No, how dare you?

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<v Speaker 11>And because Lydia Thorpe put on the usual display, I

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<v Speaker 11>think that's what she's there for, is entertainment, by the way,

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<v Speaker 11>But of course Alexander's perfectly absolutely correct. You know, the

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<v Speaker 11>welcome to country thing is a relatively modern invention and

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<v Speaker 11>it's completely misused. It's used for virtue signaling on the

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<v Speaker 11>one hand, and it's also used to make money, as

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<v Speaker 11>you know, by aboriginal groups, Aboriginal corporations who charge handsomely

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<v Speaker 11>to anybody who's willing to pay for their services. So

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<v Speaker 11>I'm with Alex on this one. Definitely yes.

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<v Speaker 4>And the interruptions they're saying, I'm just interrupting for the

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<v Speaker 4>sake of interrupting.

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<v Speaker 10>At least come.

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<v Speaker 3>Up with something. Go through the motions, pretend.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, let's go to the wacky world of academia. And

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<v Speaker 4>after the Australian National University reversed its decision to expel

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<v Speaker 4>a student who had expressed support for her Mass, we

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<v Speaker 4>learned that this student be Trice Tucker, is now running

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<v Speaker 4>to be president of the a and u's student association.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's just listen again to that infamous ABC interview where

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<v Speaker 4>she expressed unconditional support for a terrorist group.

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<v Speaker 11>You've also got to send a meshies to Hamas to

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<v Speaker 11>release the hostages, don't you.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, I actually say that Hamas deserve our unconditional support,

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<v Speaker 12>not because I agree with their strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't condemn what her mass did in October.

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<v Speaker 12>I will not condemn what Hamas did. We must be unconditional,

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<v Speaker 12>but we must be critical also.

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<v Speaker 4>Nick, how will Jewish students fear if she's elected president

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<v Speaker 4>of the student association.

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<v Speaker 11>I think they feel distinctly uncomfortable. Really, it's a terrible thing.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, I remember read too. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 11>sound like the old bloke again, but I remember the

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<v Speaker 11>days when universities were for the best and brightest. But

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<v Speaker 11>when you listen to people like this, do you see

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<v Speaker 11>that they're now open to the dullest and dimmest. This

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<v Speaker 11>woman she can't even have read. Can I just read

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<v Speaker 11>you one of her little messages? She says, just want

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<v Speaker 11>to affirm that Palestinians, it's got a four in the

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<v Speaker 11>middle of it, for some reason, have the right to

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<v Speaker 11>resist by any means necessary, as recognized under internal law.

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<v Speaker 11>What does she mean, Well, it's if she means international law.

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<v Speaker 11>Is she sheal is genesting that the right to resist

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<v Speaker 11>by raping, pillaging and killing babies is preserved under international law?

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<v Speaker 11>I think not. It's just the absolute. I don't know

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<v Speaker 11>that the no nothing quality of these people, and I

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<v Speaker 11>don't know what they're doing at university. It would seem

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<v Speaker 11>to be a waste of time educating them.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yes, there's a few things I could say here,

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<v Speaker 4>but I will refrain. Before you go the tills are well,

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to the likes of socialists like AOC and

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<v Speaker 4>Bernie Sanders for advice. The Climate two hundred, the group

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<v Speaker 4>behind much of the TILLS campaign funding, is going to

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<v Speaker 4>host an event titled how to Win Lessons from Obama,

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<v Speaker 4>Bernie and AOC, featuring a Democrat spin doctor who has

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<v Speaker 4>worked on the campaigns of America's most left leaning politicians

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<v Speaker 4>and helped push the disastrous Green New Deal. Next, Sure,

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<v Speaker 4>the Tills just merge with the Greens.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that would make a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, they are right, they are the Gucci Greens. I

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<v Speaker 11>think we call them, don't we. They are the green

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<v Speaker 11>virtue signalers, people who they don't like to cool themselves

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<v Speaker 11>Green it's got a sort of you know, a sort

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<v Speaker 11>of wild tinted through it. But teal is much more

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<v Speaker 11>the sort of color that's at home within in places

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<v Speaker 11>like Wentworth in Sydney had about us tay that Australians

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<v Speaker 11>headline writers to task on this one, if I may reader,

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<v Speaker 11>because they described this as a socialist intelligence unit, which

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<v Speaker 11>I would have thought it's a contradiction in terms. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 11>perhaps they cannot keep that one.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yes, that is a good point. Nick Kita, thank

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<v Speaker 4>you so much for your time this evening.

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<v Speaker 3>Joining me now.

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<v Speaker 4>Is best selling author of groundbreaking works including the Strange

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<v Speaker 4>Death of Europe, The Madness of Crowds, and his latest

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<v Speaker 4>The War on the West. Douglas Murray, Let's start in

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<v Speaker 4>the US, and apparently Kamala Harris grew up as a

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<v Speaker 4>middle class kid, and that's going to solve inflation.

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<v Speaker 3>When it comes to the economy.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you believe Americans are better off than there were

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<v Speaker 5>four years ago?

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<v Speaker 10>So I was raised as a middle class kid.

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<v Speaker 11>When we talk about bringing down prices and making life

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<v Speaker 11>more affordable for people, one or two specific things you

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<v Speaker 11>have in mind for that.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I'll start with this. I grew up a middle

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<v Speaker 10>class kid.

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<v Speaker 4>And now her running mate Tim Walls is also going

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<v Speaker 4>with that answer when asked about inflation.

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<v Speaker 9>Let's start with inflation.

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<v Speaker 5>What do you tell people who wake up frankly each

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<v Speaker 5>morning wondering how am I going to get buy financially?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I tell them, Gamo Harrison, I know something about it.

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<v Speaker 9>It being a middle class vote, Douglas.

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<v Speaker 4>Is this strategy going to work? The media seem to

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<v Speaker 4>love it. The glowing coverage has not stopped for the pair,

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<v Speaker 4>but is the electorate going to buy it?

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<v Speaker 13>It's very inting. There are really only two reasons to

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<v Speaker 13>do this line. The first is that both Harrison Walls

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<v Speaker 13>feel about the American public don't know who they are,

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<v Speaker 13>and that may be actually quite a good estimate of

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<v Speaker 13>where they stand. Tim Watz has only come across the

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<v Speaker 13>American public at largest radar in the last few weeks

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<v Speaker 13>since he has named the running mate. And it's true

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<v Speaker 13>that to a great extent, you know, people don't really

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<v Speaker 13>know Karla Harris, and so it seems to me fairly

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<v Speaker 13>obvious that their teams have said to them, you know,

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<v Speaker 13>you've got to establish yourself with the electorate and let

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<v Speaker 13>them know who you are. It's quite interesting that the

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<v Speaker 13>first and second most important jobs on earth are being

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<v Speaker 13>competed for by people who feel that the public don't

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<v Speaker 13>know who they are. But let me just go on

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<v Speaker 13>the second reason. The second reason you would say that

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<v Speaker 13>is because you don't have a policy, because you have

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<v Speaker 13>absolutely no idea of how to bring down inflation and

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<v Speaker 13>to bring down the cost of living for average households

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<v Speaker 13>in America. I said this to you recently, Reta. It's

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<v Speaker 13>something that Kamala Harris has been particularly adept at throughout

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<v Speaker 13>her political career, which is that you ask her a

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<v Speaker 13>question about a big issue, and she tells you how

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<v Speaker 13>big the issue is, and you say, what are you

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<v Speaker 13>going to do about this very important thing? And she says,

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<v Speaker 13>I'm going to explain to you why it's a very

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<v Speaker 13>important thing and why people like me think it is

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<v Speaker 13>a very important thing. Their fear about actually coming down

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<v Speaker 13>to any nitty gritty on policy is presumably because they

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<v Speaker 13>don't have any policy, or the policy they would like

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<v Speaker 13>to institute is one which they don't think the American

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<v Speaker 13>electorate would like, and so they're going to spring it

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<v Speaker 13>on them after the election when the electorate has graciously

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<v Speaker 13>agreed to vote them into office.

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<v Speaker 4>And Harris has been telling us bidics is working. She's

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<v Speaker 4>been saying that for some time, so to now kind

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<v Speaker 4>of switch it around and she's going to be the

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<v Speaker 4>solution to the problems caused in part by Bidenomics. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it wouldn't be an easy, easy policy to sell. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>we've also got at the moment, this vitriol, hyperbolic retric

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<v Speaker 4>against Donald Trump. It has not stopped even really slowed down,

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<v Speaker 4>despite two assassination attempts in as many months. Indeed, they're

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<v Speaker 4>blaming Donald Trump for the attempts on his life. We've

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<v Speaker 4>been playing clips of that all week on this show.

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<v Speaker 4>It's curious given the left has long argued that words

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<v Speaker 4>can be violence, and they've sought to blame their ideological

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<v Speaker 4>opponents for acts of politically motivated violence, even protests or riots.

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<v Speaker 4>Old enough to remember last month, Douglas, when the likes

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<v Speaker 4>of Alistair camp Will wanted you arrested for riots in Britain.

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<v Speaker 13>Look, I mean, it's an amazing thing. This Every side

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<v Speaker 13>in politics can get overheated. It goes without saying everyone

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<v Speaker 13>particular election season lobbs the biggest attacks they've got on

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<v Speaker 13>their opponents, and this season is no different from any

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<v Speaker 13>other to that extent. But the thing that is interesting

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<v Speaker 13>and different is that we have now had two assassination attempts,

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<v Speaker 13>not thwarted near the stage of assassination, but really serious plots,

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<v Speaker 13>including a headshot to the president, and the Democrats and

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<v Speaker 13>the Democrat media don't seem to have thought to tone

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<v Speaker 13>it down a bit. That slightly amazes me, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 13>when there is an attack on somebody of the political left,

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<v Speaker 13>it should be axiomatic. It isn't always by any means,

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<v Speaker 13>but it should be axiomatic that people on the right say,

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<v Speaker 13>there's absolutely no justification for this. Now, look, some people

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<v Speaker 13>on the right don't do that, and they laugh about things,

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<v Speaker 13>and they laugh things off and so on. But in

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<v Speaker 13>actual fact, I would like to think that if there

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<v Speaker 13>had been two attempts on the life of Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 13>in the last few weeks, that you would not find

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<v Speaker 13>what right wing media there is in America saying well,

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<v Speaker 13>she brought.

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<v Speaker 2>It on herself.

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<v Speaker 13>I mean, that's a quite amazing thing we've seen in

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<v Speaker 13>recent days in relation to Donald Trump, the left wing

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<v Speaker 13>media in America actually saying well, yeah, here's another assassination

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<v Speaker 13>attempt on him, but maybe he shouldn't use such hurty words.

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<v Speaker 13>And I find that astonishing. I also find it astonishing

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<v Speaker 13>that people can't understand that if you keep saying that

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<v Speaker 13>somebody is hitler, it becomes pretty unviable to think that

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<v Speaker 13>when somebody tries to kill the person you said was hitler,

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<v Speaker 13>that you have to say, well, I think he's hitler,

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<v Speaker 13>but I don't think people should kill him. I mean,

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<v Speaker 13>you know, as you say, readers since we live in

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<v Speaker 13>an era where people say that words have consequences, that

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<v Speaker 13>words can be violence and much more. How about just

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<v Speaker 13>sticking to the old idea that words are words and

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<v Speaker 13>violence is violence. But there is a very important crossover point,

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<v Speaker 13>which is incitement. And incitement laws are really pretty clear

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<v Speaker 13>in the US. But if you start saying that your

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<v Speaker 13>political opponent is going to take away every one of

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<v Speaker 13>the rights of the electorate, that they're going to never

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<v Speaker 13>go out of office, that they're going to be a

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<v Speaker 13>dictator for life, that literally hitler and more. Then you

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<v Speaker 13>probably have to take some responsibility for that. And you

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<v Speaker 13>know this is a long way out from the election. Still,

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<v Speaker 13>what will happen in the weeks to come? I dread

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<v Speaker 13>to think.

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<v Speaker 10>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>You almost feel like another attempt on Donald Trump's life

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<v Speaker 4>is a matter of when, not if.

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<v Speaker 14>And it's just a.

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<v Speaker 3>Terrible state of affairs.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to ask you about what's happening in Australia

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<v Speaker 4>the UK. This war on free speech is intensifying. We

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<v Speaker 4>have discussed the UK in the past, but here in

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<v Speaker 4>Australia the government is introducing orwellyan misinformation and disinformation legislation.

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<v Speaker 3>You've written a.

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<v Speaker 4>Piece for the New York Post on these proposed laws

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<v Speaker 4>that the Albanese government says is.

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<v Speaker 3>All to us for our safety.

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<v Speaker 4>It's for our own good, Douglas, Is that.

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<v Speaker 3>How you see it?

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<v Speaker 13>Why didn't they just set up the Committee of Public

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<v Speaker 13>Safety like Robespiere and co. It's wonderful when they when

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<v Speaker 13>they couatured in this language. The idea what I wrote

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<v Speaker 13>was the idea that the Australian government, any more than

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<v Speaker 13>the British government or the American government, should be the

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<v Speaker 13>arbiter of what is true and what is false, is

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<v Speaker 13>absolutely ridiculous to my mind. And the important point is

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<v Speaker 13>it's not just that this particular Australian government can't do this,

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<v Speaker 13>It's that no Australian government should do it. It's not

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<v Speaker 13>that this particular democrat or labor administration in America or

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<v Speaker 13>the UK shouldn't get into this train. It's that nobody

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<v Speaker 13>could do it. There is nobody in the land, no

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<v Speaker 13>committee of bureaucrats and apparatnics you could set up that

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<v Speaker 13>would be able to legitimately decide rita what you and

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<v Speaker 13>I should be able to read and know. And as

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<v Speaker 13>I mentioned in that piece, I summoned up the memory

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<v Speaker 13>of a real remember Dan Andrews.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yes, right now, get.

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<v Speaker 13>I know it haunts us all still remember in COVID

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<v Speaker 13>when Dan Andrews decided to claim that an Australian having

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<v Speaker 13>a pint outside in the street or anywhere else, if

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<v Speaker 13>they were going to drink their pint of beer, should

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<v Speaker 13>make sure that they keep their mask on and drink

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<v Speaker 13>their pint through their mask. Now that was only a

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<v Speaker 13>couple of years ago, and Dan Andrews obviously had his

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<v Speaker 13>own problem since then, perhaps brought about by trying to

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<v Speaker 13>drink all of his drinks through a mask. Who knows.

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<v Speaker 13>But the interesting thing is that that passed for completely

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<v Speaker 13>acceptable disinformation and misinformation by a very serious high level

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<v Speaker 13>official in Australia. The idea that other officials will decide

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<v Speaker 13>what Australians should or should not be able to know

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<v Speaker 13>after people like Dan Andrews perverted the nature of their

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<v Speaker 13>office in that way, It's just laughable to me. We

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<v Speaker 13>don't have to have long memories anymore to remember a

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<v Speaker 13>recent occasion or set of occasions when people who thought

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<v Speaker 13>they knew better than us told us things that turned

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<v Speaker 13>out to be utter fibbs.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, Dan Andrews, The list with him is along the

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<v Speaker 4>Victoria form of Victorian premier. I remember when he scolded

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<v Speaker 4>Victorians for watching sunsets at the beach. Apparently that was

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<v Speaker 4>a danger to themselves and to their neighbors watching sunsets.

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<v Speaker 4>This madness is also happening in America to a lesser extent.

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<v Speaker 4>But I've got a constitution that protects free speech. But still,

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<v Speaker 4>California Governor Gavin Newsom signed a bill that would outlaw

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<v Speaker 4>memes and obvious AI satire videos on elections. This band

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<v Speaker 4>was inspired by this amusing clip mock the Democrats.

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<v Speaker 15>I had four years under the tutelage of the ultimate

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<v Speaker 15>deep State puppet, a wonderful mentor, Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 10>Joe taught me rule number one carefully.

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<v Speaker 14>Hydra toll as mummies, I mean, really, Douglas, are Californians

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<v Speaker 14>so thick that they need to be protected from parody

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<v Speaker 14>videos and funny memes?

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<v Speaker 13>I was delighted to see that one meme online today

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<v Speaker 13>had Gavin Newsome dressed as a clown. I suppose Gavin

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<v Speaker 13>Newsom would be confused as to whether or not we

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<v Speaker 13>actually think he did appear on stage dressed as a clown.

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<v Speaker 13>But I think I trust the voters of California and

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<v Speaker 13>America a bit more than that. It's pretty amazing, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 13>I mean, Gavin Newsom would have a particular a strong

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<v Speaker 13>impulse for trying to stop mocking memes and much more.

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<v Speaker 13>That's because he's absolutely right for them. But once again

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<v Speaker 13>you get into this thing of I wonder who would

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<v Speaker 13>be just enough wise enough to decide what mockery was

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<v Speaker 13>and was not allowed. Maybe memes about Donald Trump would

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<v Speaker 13>be allowed in this system, Maybe memes about JD. Vance

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<v Speaker 13>would be allowed in this system. But I suspect they

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<v Speaker 13>would crack down double hard if the meme or the

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<v Speaker 13>joke or the satire was about Gavin news And that's

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<v Speaker 13>why you just can't give censorship tools to people like this.

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<v Speaker 13>They would not be able to resist using them to

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<v Speaker 13>their own advantage. And so you know, there is definitely

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<v Speaker 13>a problem in the information age of false information being

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<v Speaker 13>passed around. But my solution to that is that we

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<v Speaker 13>the public have to be much wiser to that, and

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<v Speaker 13>my experiences that most young people coming up are actually

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<v Speaker 13>wiser to that. We have to get wiser to that

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<v Speaker 13>because the alternative is some set of bureaucrats in Australia

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<v Speaker 13>or America or somewhere else deciding what you and I

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<v Speaker 13>are allowed to laugh about and what we're allowed to

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<v Speaker 13>find funny. And I at any rate wouldn't want to

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<v Speaker 13>live in such a system.

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<v Speaker 4>No, and before you go, I have to get your

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<v Speaker 4>thoughts on Hesba's humiliation. It appears to be some of

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<v Speaker 4>Mossad's most creative work, and predictably it's been attacked by

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<v Speaker 4>many so called progressives in the West who are calling

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<v Speaker 4>the Pager plot and act of terrorism.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you see this?

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<v Speaker 4>I would have thought it was a very targeted attack

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<v Speaker 4>to try to minimize casualties amongst noncombatants.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, I mean, whoever did it? And we should add

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<v Speaker 13>I mean, it obviously looks like it was the Israelis,

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<v Speaker 13>but I mean, Hezbla have quite a lot of enemies,

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<v Speaker 13>not least in the region. They've managed to destroy Lebanon

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<v Speaker 13>since the nineteen eighties, once really thriving country that Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 13>The Lebanon has just suffered from this miseration and violence since,

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<v Speaker 13>particularly since Hesbula has had the grip it now has.

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<v Speaker 13>So they have a lot of enemies. But it looks

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<v Speaker 13>like it was probably is that did it, and the

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<v Speaker 13>people who claim this is terrorism, I mean, I would

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<v Speaker 13>just say, you know, the definition of terrorism is a

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<v Speaker 13>deliberate targeting of innocent civilians. This is exactly the opposite

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<v Speaker 13>of that. This is the deliberate targeting of hesbal A

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<v Speaker 13>terrorists in the most targeted, precise, and somewhat personal way imaginable.

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<v Speaker 5>This.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the.

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<v Speaker 13>People who the people who say that you know this

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<v Speaker 13>is indiscriminate, seem not to have noticed that if you

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<v Speaker 13>have a Hesbalar Paiger device or a hesbeal a walkie

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<v Speaker 13>talkie on you, the chances are you may well be

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<v Speaker 13>a member of HESBLA, and HESBLA is a designated terrorist

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<v Speaker 13>organization and therefore you're just not innocent. So I suppose

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<v Speaker 13>Hesbola will try to spin this with their useful idiots

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<v Speaker 13>in the West, and these people are useful idiots at

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<v Speaker 13>this point or just enemies of the West, because let's

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<v Speaker 13>be frank about it, if you're the sort of person

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<v Speaker 13>as the people sort of howling about this on social

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<v Speaker 13>media and on some of the newspapers in the last

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<v Speaker 13>couple of days have been doing, if you're one of

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<v Speaker 13>those people howling about this, you can guarantee. They're the

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<v Speaker 13>same people who are howling about any collateral injuries in

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<v Speaker 13>any targeted strike, for instance in Gaza or southern Lebanon

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<v Speaker 13>in the last year or in recent years. You can

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<v Speaker 13>be guaranteed of that. And now they claim you also

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<v Speaker 13>shouldn't do the most precise thing of all, which is

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<v Speaker 13>making the pager devices of hes Blar operatives explode. Just

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<v Speaker 13>these guys should just come out and say it, which

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<v Speaker 13>is they want Israel to be destroyed. They want HESBLA

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<v Speaker 13>and Hamaz to win. They're on the side of the jihadists.

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<v Speaker 13>Why don't these people have the guts to come out

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<v Speaker 13>and say it, because Israel can do nothing, nothing from

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<v Speaker 13>the including the most targeted operation, without these people saying

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<v Speaker 13>that Israel shouldn't have done it. These people who are

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<v Speaker 13>making these complaints in the last few days are people

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<v Speaker 13>who want Israel to lose. That's fine, that's their view.

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<v Speaker 13>I want Israel to win. These people want HESBLA to thrive.

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<v Speaker 13>I don't. I want to see them gone. I want

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<v Speaker 13>to see them stop making misery in Israel and making

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<v Speaker 13>misery and Lebanon. But you know, there it is. It's

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<v Speaker 13>a very clear divide and just remember, of course, the

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<v Speaker 13>munition is that hes bolar uses are far from precise,

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<v Speaker 13>and when they throw hundreds and hundreds of rockets, unguided

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<v Speaker 13>missiles and others into Israeli territory, it has consequences like

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<v Speaker 13>killing a dozen Israeli Drew's children whilst they're playing football.

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<v Speaker 13>So I take the Israeli targeted strikes on actual hez

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<v Speaker 13>Blard terrorists over hes Bala killing innocent children playing football

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<v Speaker 13>any day. And if other people can't see that distinction,

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<v Speaker 13>they probably can't see anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Rita Douglas Murray, thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 13>To save me pleasure as always still to come.

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<v Speaker 3>Lefties losing it?

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<v Speaker 4>And Donald Trump was a panelist on Gutfeld and he

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<v Speaker 4>was cracking jokes even about his latest brush with death.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 4>Now it's time for lefties losing it. And let's hear

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<v Speaker 4>from a lefty explaining why they believe conservatives are weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't wait to hear this.

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<v Speaker 5>What is something weird about conservatives?

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<v Speaker 6>There is a almost a cultesh vibe. I feel the

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<v Speaker 6>way they operate within themselves. They refuse to listen to

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<v Speaker 6>outside people. You know, they're refusing to learn. Essentially, I

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<v Speaker 6>think that is a large part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Perfect.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, they're there, folks calling you weird for believing in

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<v Speaker 4>biological reality, borders law and order.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go to New York.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we're dyeing your armpit hair pink is now an

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<v Speaker 4>expression of gender identity.

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<v Speaker 3>Confused, watch this?

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<v Speaker 4>Have you ever gone to us alant to die your

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<v Speaker 4>arbit and ibrow here? Well, if you have it, now's

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<v Speaker 4>your chance.

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<v Speaker 16>This part Abillity is hosting a complimentary that means free

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<v Speaker 17>For me, expressing myself through my hair is such an

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<v Speaker 17>important part of feeling confident in my appearance as a

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<v Speaker 17>queer person.

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<v Speaker 16>Not only does dyeing my hair make me feel empowered,

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<v Speaker 16>it helps affirm my gender identity too.

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<v Speaker 4>Dying our hair together has always been a body experience,

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<v Speaker 4>and having this opportunity at a salon instead of at

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<v Speaker 4>home has just been really exciting and fun. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>the Democrats must be getting desperate because they're sending celebrities

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<v Speaker 4>to door knock and hug constituents in the Swing States.

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<v Speaker 4>Here is Hanoi Jane Fonda d'Or knocking in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>It's never done this for a president.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 5>I've done it first.

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<v Speaker 9>I had an ex husband who came from Royal Michigan.

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<v Speaker 13>I've done it for him.

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<v Speaker 10>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 9>But I've never done it for a president.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is most important.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh definitely have to have to have to get them elected.

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<v Speaker 4>Talking about Kouki's celebs, remember when Howard Stern was edgy

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<v Speaker 4>and cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Me neither. I'm not a hundred. Stern is only getting worse.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen to this bile filled rant about Trump supporters.

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<v Speaker 9>Hate the game. I hate the people who vote for him.

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<v Speaker 9>I think they're stupid. I do. I'll be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 9>I have no respect for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Now to one of the democrats biggest celebrity backers, Puff

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<v Speaker 4>Daddy P Diddy showing court holmbs. He has many names

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<v Speaker 4>and is now facing many serious charges. But it wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>long ago that P Diddy was endorsing Democrats, raising money

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<v Speaker 4>for them, and running vote campaigns. He was so prolific

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<v Speaker 4>and effective that Jimmy Kimmel wanted.

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<v Speaker 3>Him to run for president. Remember this, maybe.

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<v Speaker 9>You could be president. Do you ever think about anything

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<v Speaker 9>like that? No about you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I wouldn't do a better job.

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<v Speaker 17>But I think you know what I would if you

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<v Speaker 17>agreed to run for president, I would be happy to

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<v Speaker 17>be your running meet.

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<v Speaker 10>Let's put it that way all right.

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<v Speaker 4>Now to CBS, where a reporter had this triggering news

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<v Speaker 4>for lefties about the battleground state of Nevada. It seems

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<v Speaker 4>nowadays Nevada is Mecca country.

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<v Speaker 1>But what was really incredible is in every single restaurant,

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<v Speaker 1>the people willing to talk to us.

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<v Speaker 3>We could only find one.

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<v Speaker 5>Hair supporter in every restaurant, and we left no stone unturned.

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<v Speaker 10>I approached every single person.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, every now and then CNN allow a loan figure

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<v Speaker 4>from the center right to appear on one of their

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<v Speaker 4>panels to be typically bashed by lefties. But here Scott

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<v Speaker 4>Jennings manages to extract from the CNN crew that they

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<v Speaker 4>know the blood bath lie is a lie, but they

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<v Speaker 4>allowed to be aired daily without correction or context.

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<v Speaker 5>It is said by every Democrat working for or around

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<v Speaker 5>her campaign every day on this network and every other one.

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<v Speaker 5>The blood back thing is stated every single day. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>let me put my point in thereat eliminate constitutional What

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<v Speaker 5>do you say there?

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<v Speaker 10>This act.

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<v Speaker 15>You're referring to Trump's use of the word blood bath

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<v Speaker 15>when he was two was he talking about I'm going

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<v Speaker 15>to explain it to people because they think there's confusion

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<v Speaker 15>about this use of the word blood bath. When he

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<v Speaker 15>was talking about, you know, vehicle manufacturing jobs in the

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<v Speaker 15>United States, Vice President Harris improperly and unfairly mischaracterized that

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<v Speaker 15>as him saying there would be a blood bath if

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<v Speaker 15>he were elected. However, she did not say that if

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<v Speaker 15>Trump were elected there would be a blood bath.

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<v Speaker 10>She did not.

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<v Speaker 5>I know you have interviewed and had people out here

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<v Speaker 5>and have watched the same coverage I have. The blood

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:29.919
<v Speaker 5>bath garbage is and it is a pillar of the

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 5>Democratic campaign against Trump as his dictator, as is eliminate

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<v Speaker 5>the US Constitution.

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<v Speaker 4>And here is Don lemon on sin and spearing a

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of lies on hyperbole, including the aforementioned bloodbath lie.

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<v Speaker 4>This is all to show that the assassination attempts against Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>ah Well, his own fault, good.

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<v Speaker 7>Jill, crooked Hillary, crooked Kamala, comrade Kamala, deranged Jack Smith,

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<v Speaker 7>bird brain, Nikki Haley, blood bath, that he's not elected,

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<v Speaker 7>there won't be another election. If he's not elected, bringing

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<v Speaker 7>drugs that bring in crime, the rapists, poisoning the blood

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<v Speaker 7>of our country, destroying the blood of our country, which

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<v Speaker 7>was something that was Hitlers, communist, Marxist.

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump was today a panelist on Gutfeld, a top

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<v Speaker 4>rating late night show on Fox News, and he was

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<v Speaker 4>in great form, even joking about the latest attempt on

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<v Speaker 4>his life.

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<v Speaker 9>I always said, GoF is a very dangerous game.

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<v Speaker 13>If Dan told you.

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<v Speaker 18>That the shooter was there, would you have tried to

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<v Speaker 18>take him out with your three wood?

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<v Speaker 9>I think so, Yeah, thanks, if I knew.

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<v Speaker 19>Actually, the Secret Service did a great job. They saw

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<v Speaker 19>the barrel of a gun, big gun. Yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 19>came out through bushes, and how many people would see that?

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<v Speaker 10>You know?

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<v Speaker 19>He really was very exceptional.

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<v Speaker 4>And he spoke about how incredibly lucky he has been

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<v Speaker 4>in both these assassination attempts, or perhaps it's something more

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<v Speaker 4>than luck.

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<v Speaker 19>Fortunately so far I've been very lucky, or something is

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<v Speaker 19>greater than all of us.

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<v Speaker 18>Ooh, it is something is up.

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<v Speaker 19>There, someone who's up there, maybe watching.

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<v Speaker 9>Over so I think he's voting for you.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 18>I always thought the most dangerous job was feeding the view.

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<v Speaker 13>But you bring up God.

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<v Speaker 18>You bring up God and you've almost been killed twice,

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<v Speaker 18>do you think more about your own mortality and what

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<v Speaker 18>happens after.

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<v Speaker 10>You go move on?

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<v Speaker 19>Yeah, not about mortality, but I do think more about God,

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<v Speaker 19>because Okay, Butler was really the greatest of all. If

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<v Speaker 19>I'm not looking over there, and I mean a full

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<v Speaker 19>turn exactly ninety degrees, I wouldn't be here right now,

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<v Speaker 19>and your ratings would be a little bit lower.

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<v Speaker 9>Perhaps.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Now let's.

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<v Speaker 4>Bring in Sky News contributor Kosher, Gaeta Kosher. That was

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<v Speaker 4>quite the performance from the former president.

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<v Speaker 17>Indeed, he really was in great form, a little bit

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<v Speaker 17>of humor, very relaxed humility in terms of talking about

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<v Speaker 17>divine providence. If that was at play over here, and

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<v Speaker 17>it just goes to show again President really has a

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<v Speaker 17>lot of range. I think that's to read it about

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<v Speaker 17>him where he can go from a late night comedy

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<v Speaker 17>format like this to long form podcasts with younger gen

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 17>ze talent, to his short form tweets that he's famous

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 17>or infamous for, to know everything else in between, and

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<v Speaker 17>that is a very important asset in this noisy media

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<v Speaker 17>landscape that we live in. Coupled with the fact that

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<v Speaker 17>means re media is such a gatekeeper for him. He

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<v Speaker 17>really has a way of getting his message, in his

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<v Speaker 17>personality through and that's why he is where he is.

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<v Speaker 4>I do wonder whether he's going to come back to

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<v Speaker 4>X completely. He's got just tens of millions of followers there.

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<v Speaker 4>He's persisting with truth, which I know is a business

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<v Speaker 4>that's now enormous, multimillion dollar business.

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<v Speaker 3>But the audience is on X.

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<v Speaker 4>And I want to as we get closer to the election,

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<v Speaker 4>whether he's going to be more prolific on that site.

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<v Speaker 3>And now, Robert F.

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<v Speaker 4>Kennedy Junior has released a new campaign ad outlining his

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<v Speaker 4>plans to work alongside Trump on tackling America's broken food

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<v Speaker 4>and pharmaceutical system. He's just a little bit of the ad.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousand and four. Robert F. Kennedy Junior was the darling

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<v Speaker 1>of liberals and the Democratic Party establishment, an environmentalist unafraid

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<v Speaker 1>to sue the biggest and most powerful polluters in America.

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<v Speaker 1>But then the Democrats began to abandon the ideals he

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<v Speaker 1>believed in, like peace, freedom of speech, honest government in

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<v Speaker 1>the working class. The rank and file Democrats didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>it at first, but over the years, the DNC became

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<v Speaker 1>the tool of big money, the war machine, and the

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<v Speaker 1>very corporations Kennedy had battled his entire career kosher.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you see the RFK junior endorsement. Trump is

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<v Speaker 4>saying both RFK and Tulsi Gabbard, who's another former Democrat,

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<v Speaker 4>really step up their advocacy for him. They're doing speeches,

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<v Speaker 4>they're doing interviews, they're doing ads. Is it of any

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<v Speaker 4>value now that Kamala is the candidate?

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<v Speaker 10>I think so.

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<v Speaker 17>I think one is in terms of message, just having

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<v Speaker 17>former democrats', very prominent democrats endorse him, along with Silicon

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<v Speaker 17>Valley folks and hedge fund guys and rappers and Latino

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<v Speaker 17>music stars and data po poxifizers, yes, all of.

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<v Speaker 10>Them coming out.

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<v Speaker 17>It just makes him more palatable and more acceptable, I

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<v Speaker 17>think as a brand than he was four and certainly

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<v Speaker 17>eight years ago. In Rfk's case in particular, there is

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<v Speaker 17>a mathematical consequence to it that one to two points

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<v Speaker 17>of his support that he actually was able to consolidate

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<v Speaker 17>when he was running.

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<v Speaker 10>Telling them to vote is another thing.

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<v Speaker 17>And then also I think in his case is broadening

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<v Speaker 17>the message more around all this health and childhood health

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<v Speaker 17>and everything else, which will make Trump, I think, more

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<v Speaker 17>palatable to those suburban moms that he's always struggled with,

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<v Speaker 17>because they do a lot of them do trust rfk's

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<v Speaker 17>track record on this, and I think that does carry weight. Well.

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<v Speaker 4>We've also got prominent former Republicans or some people will

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<v Speaker 4>call them rhinos Republicans in name only, backing Harris. I

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<v Speaker 4>would argue that actually doesn't hurt Trump too much because

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<v Speaker 4>they're precisely the figures that that Republican base well borderline

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<v Speaker 4>loads these days. I mean, that's why we have a

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<v Speaker 4>Trump because those characters really did undermine trust amongst their

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 4>voter base. But couldn't that hurt Trump? To have the

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<v Speaker 4>likes of Romney and trying to think who else from.

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<v Speaker 3>The Chee, the Chinese.

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<v Speaker 10>The mckain's son, I think came out.

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<v Speaker 17>I think you're right that by now, by twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 17>four not so much, because it's just crystallizing this whole

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<v Speaker 17>The shape of the two parties is changing, and it's

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<v Speaker 17>about populism versus the establishment, and those guys really personify establishment,

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<v Speaker 17>and I think to your point, it just crystallizes how

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<v Speaker 17>Trump has remade the Republican Party in his image, and

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<v Speaker 17>I think that just further further's that message, and it's

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<v Speaker 17>not going to get too many Democrats to vote for Khamla,

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:49.720
<v Speaker 17>I think.

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<v Speaker 4>And Telsa Gabbart is on this message a lot too.

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<v Speaker 4>That the Democrat party she joined that she wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>run full president for is very different to what it

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<v Speaker 4>is now, and it's really departed a lot of those

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<v Speaker 4>values that had a joining them in the first place.

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<v Speaker 4>Now this is a turn up for the books. The

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<v Speaker 4>Teamsters Union, which has endorsed every Democrat candidate well for

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<v Speaker 4>at least a couple of decades, now, decided not to

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<v Speaker 4>endorse Kamala Harris. They won't be endorsing anyone this year

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 4>because their members are backing Trump. Indeed, three in five

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 4>of the members are supporting Trump. Here's how Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 4>reacted to the announcement.

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<v Speaker 19>Democrats automatically have the Teamsters. They took a voter, and

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<v Speaker 19>I guess I was at sixty percent or more.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a great honor.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, it's really I've had.

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<v Speaker 19>A lot of teamsters work for me, a lot of

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<v Speaker 19>the concrete trucks, and you've built all these buildings, and

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 19>you see in New York City, the teamsters, exclusively teamsters,

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<v Speaker 19>I have to say, and they've done a great job.

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<v Speaker 2>But the vote of the Teamsters themselves.

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<v Speaker 19>Was very high for me and the leadership Sean O'Brien

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<v Speaker 19>and the group, who are great people. They said we

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 19>and endorsed the Democrats. So I think this is the

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<v Speaker 19>first time in many decades that they haven't endorsed Democrats.

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<v Speaker 3>Kosha.

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<v Speaker 4>Last time, around one in three of the Teamsters voted for.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump over Biden.

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<v Speaker 4>To see that figure and out go to three and five,

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<v Speaker 4>it's quite a dramatic improvement for him.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do you think is behind that.

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<v Speaker 17>Huge I think it's a continuation of what Trump put

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:25.720
<v Speaker 17>his finger on when he first ran in twenty fifteen

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<v Speaker 17>twenty sixteen, about the forgotten man and women and the

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<v Speaker 17>working class, which the membership of these unions and these

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.399
<v Speaker 17>teamsters represent, and so he already I think, got more

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 17>support from them than the traditional Republican candidates. So we

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:40.280
<v Speaker 17>just spoke about and with each election he just further

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 17>solidified that and that contrast between the two parties and

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.239
<v Speaker 17>that reshaping that we just discussed is becoming so abundantly

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:48.719
<v Speaker 17>clear to everybody that I think the working class, the

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<v Speaker 17>blue Dog Democrats, the Reagan Democrats, all those guys are

0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:54.560
<v Speaker 17>coming over coming over to the side, and the Democrat

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 17>Party is losing them and just really isn't any longer

0:36:57.320 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 17>the party of the working class as it used to be.

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:02.280
<v Speaker 4>It isn't, but it is the party of the affluent,

0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 4>highly educated. There has been this switch, and is that

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:09.760
<v Speaker 4>going to be enough? Because you're seeing this current tactic

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 4>where they're not being very forthcoming with policy ideas, They're

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:17.640
<v Speaker 4>doing all sorts of backflips, but it seems to be

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:21.359
<v Speaker 4>working for them so far that a honeymoon period that

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.839
<v Speaker 4>began with Harris is still underway.

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<v Speaker 17>The fact that the selection is so close and will

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<v Speaker 17>continue to be so close despite that, is so revealing

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<v Speaker 17>and so shocking. Even though we shouldn't be shocked at

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<v Speaker 17>this point that you can run, it really will be

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<v Speaker 17>a case where the candidate could be switched out sixty

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<v Speaker 17>days before the election. You run, you don't do any

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<v Speaker 17>media or any policy prescriptions are never described. And still

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<v Speaker 17>even if she loses, it's going to be by a

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<v Speaker 17>reason then margin, which is quite telling.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, and part of the reason for that is the

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<v Speaker 4>overwhelmingly positive media she's receiving and the overwhelmingly negative meat

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<v Speaker 4>Trump is receiving. Conservative watchdog group Media Research Center has

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<v Speaker 4>found that despite a second attempt on Donald Trump's life,

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<v Speaker 4>the bulk of the mainstream media in the US has

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<v Speaker 4>not lowered the temperature in its anti Trump coverage. In

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<v Speaker 4>the first seventy two hours after the second assassination attempt,

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<v Speaker 4>ninety five percent of the coverage on ABC, CBS, NBC.

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<v Speaker 3>Was negative for Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>That's quite remarkable, Koshark, because this is such an astonishing

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<v Speaker 4>event to occur, to have an attempt on a candidate's life,

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<v Speaker 4>a former president, to have it happened twice in two months,

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<v Speaker 4>and yet still no sympathy. Know, Okay, well maybe we

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<v Speaker 4>should stop calling him a threat to democracy.

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<v Speaker 3>None of that is just doubling down.

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<v Speaker 10>So shameful.

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<v Speaker 17>The last time this happened was forty years ago. For

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<v Speaker 17>Ronald Reagan, there's not been an attempt. So it's a

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<v Speaker 17>big deal to have not worn but two attempts, as

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<v Speaker 17>you said, in five weeks. And it really is shameful

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<v Speaker 17>that they haven't done that. And I think you know

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<v Speaker 17>the reason is when you demonize somebody so much as

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<v Speaker 17>they have, the logical endpoint of that is you're going

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<v Speaker 17>to normalize any and every critique and active opposition against

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<v Speaker 17>that person, including an attempted assassination and taking their life.

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<v Speaker 10>So it started with the rhetoric being.

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<v Speaker 17>Investigated, being impeached, the lawfair being indicted, and then this

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<v Speaker 17>is just the natural progression of that, where it's now

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<v Speaker 17>normalized to either brush things under the rug that could

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<v Speaker 17>be helpful to Trump or just.

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<v Speaker 10>Continue to put it in the context.

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<v Speaker 17>Well, if somebody really is the American incarnation of Hitler,

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<v Speaker 17>then I guess they deserve this.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the subtext.

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<v Speaker 4>And you just hate to think what would happen to

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<v Speaker 4>the country if an assassination attempt is successful.

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<v Speaker 3>And he has been so.

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<v Speaker 4>Astonishingly lucky both these times, the first time that last

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<v Speaker 4>millisecond shift in his head to look at a graph

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<v Speaker 4>that saved his life, and this time around to have

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<v Speaker 4>a secret Service agent who in a golf course with

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<v Speaker 4>all the trees and bushes, managed to spot the.

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<v Speaker 10>Rifle looking through.

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<v Speaker 4>It's almost miraculous, really.

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<v Speaker 17>And that issue of the perimeter not being properly scanned

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<v Speaker 17>and safeguarded is obviously picking up heat. But you know,

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<v Speaker 17>how many times can someone be lucky? So he should

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<v Speaker 17>be getting presidential level security right now, or having his

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<v Speaker 17>own plus security.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's no person in the country right now,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's no one in America who's in greater danger

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<v Speaker 4>than Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>They've painted him.

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<v Speaker 4>As a new age Hitler, a threat to democracy for

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<v Speaker 4>eight years now, and there's enough nutbags out there who

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<v Speaker 4>are got it into their heads that they're going to

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<v Speaker 4>save the Republic from Trump. Koshugata, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 4>for your time this evening pleasure. After the break, the

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<v Speaker 4>man behind the groundbreaking research into institutional anti Semitism at

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<v Speaker 4>the BBE will join me.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back. Now.

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<v Speaker 4>We've previously discussed the research led by British lawyer Trevor Assison,

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<v Speaker 4>which found that the BBC breached its own editorial guidelines

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<v Speaker 4>for news coverage more than fifteen hundred times during the

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<v Speaker 4>height of the Israel her mass war. Israel was associated

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<v Speaker 4>with genocide fourteen times more than her Maas who carried

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<v Speaker 4>out the mass terrorist attacks against Israelis. On October seven,

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<v Speaker 4>the BBC's Arabic channel was found to be one of

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<v Speaker 4>the most biased of all global media outlets against Israel,

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<v Speaker 4>with eleven instances in which their coverage featured reporters who

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<v Speaker 4>publicly supported her mass joining me now is senior partner

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<v Speaker 4>at the Assison Law Offices, Trevor Assisson.

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<v Speaker 3>Trevor is the BBC institutionally and semitic?

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<v Speaker 4>And what is behind these breaches of editorial guidelines.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what's really behind these breaches, and they're systemic breaches,

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<v Speaker 2>is a total management failure to control the journalists at

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<v Speaker 2>the BBC. So I've not suggested that there's anti semitism.

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<v Speaker 2>I deliberately avoided doing that because it's not my concern

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<v Speaker 2>to look at the motives behind individuals or the organization.

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<v Speaker 2>What I've looked at is systemic breaches of the BBC's

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<v Speaker 2>own guidelines to be impartial. And the reason behind it

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<v Speaker 2>really is that the BBC itself, although it has a

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<v Speaker 2>deal with the British people, it will receive four billion

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<v Speaker 2>pounds a year in return for which it promises to

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<v Speaker 2>give impartial news, but they have absolutely no management controls

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<v Speaker 2>at all in place to check whether or not they

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<v Speaker 2>actually do it. I think think of the fundamental problem

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<v Speaker 2>behind what's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, these editorial guideline breaches by the BBC included all

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<v Speaker 4>sorts of areas accuracy and partiality, editorial values, public interests.

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<v Speaker 4>You mentioned that they're publicly funded. Our own public, if

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<v Speaker 4>publicly funded broadcaster, the ABC here in Australia, has a

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<v Speaker 4>similar worldview to the BBC in your experience, are taxpayer

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<v Speaker 4>funded broadcasters more likely to indulge in this sort of

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<v Speaker 4>unrelentingly biased coverage against Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that public sector broadcasters are as likely as

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<v Speaker 2>any other news outlets to be captured by a particular viewpoint.

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<v Speaker 2>The people within the senior management will tend to hire

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<v Speaker 2>people who they think to be right thinking, who think

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<v Speaker 2>like them, and those people will tend to be high

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<v Speaker 2>and do and be promoted. It's very difficult for a

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<v Speaker 2>public sector broadcaster to be impartial, or for any broadcaster

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<v Speaker 2>to be impartial, unless it has very careful, proper management

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<v Speaker 2>systems in place. The BBC absolutely doesn't. I've been approached

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<v Speaker 2>by Australians concerned with the Australian public sector broadcaster, and

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that there are serious problems there as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what's really at stake is that journalists, some

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<v Speaker 2>journalists who clearly have very very negative views, should not

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<v Speaker 2>be just allowed to They should be sent to something

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<v Speaker 2>more harmless like Gardener's question time where they can do

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<v Speaker 2>less harm. They shouldn't be reporting on something where they

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<v Speaker 2>are clearly using the platform to express their own personal

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<v Speaker 2>views and the guidelines say we will not express our

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 2>journalist's personal views. Well, that's a myth. It's been exploded

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<v Speaker 2>by my report and that kind of breach. Another type

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<v Speaker 2>of absolutely clear breach is that Hamas is a dictatorship

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<v Speaker 2>that controls the reporting that comes out of Garza Strip

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<v Speaker 2>and the BBC specifically states that whenever they're reporting from

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere with reporting restrictions, they'll tell the audience. They never

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<v Speaker 2>tell the audience that they allow these people to report

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<v Speaker 2>as though what they're telling us the truth, which it

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<v Speaker 2>clearly isn't, and they know the BBC knows that isn't

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<v Speaker 2>the truth. They've got an obligation to say so they fail.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, your report does illustrate that the lines between opinion

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<v Speaker 4>and impartial, biased news reporting have been completely blurred.

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<v Speaker 3>How is that fixed?

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<v Speaker 4>Because this is an issue that goes beyond the BBC.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got so many news reporters these days who think

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<v Speaker 4>they're in the opinion game and they want to state

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<v Speaker 4>their opinion, and there's I think a diminishing it from

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<v Speaker 4>the public in media.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of that, the response to my report, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think may be the most in depth analysis of any

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<v Speaker 2>of the BBC's output that's ever been done. We looked

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<v Speaker 2>at nine million words and it's worth saying that the

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<v Speaker 2>BBC criticized the report for its methodology without before they'd

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<v Speaker 2>read it. The methodology is normal standard litigation type analysis

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<v Speaker 2>which I've been doing in my entire career, and in

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<v Speaker 2>parallel with that, an entirely new, cutting edge approach by

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<v Speaker 2>data scientists led by a data scientist expert in the

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<v Speaker 2>UK but mainly Israeli's from Israeli universities, and that supported

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<v Speaker 2>the completely standard, old style litigation approach. So the BBC

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<v Speaker 2>NIEJA reaction attacking the report on methodology, what they're actually facing.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead of one methodology, they're separating, facing two separate methodologies,

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<v Speaker 2>dealing in real depth, as I said, over searching for

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<v Speaker 2>over nine million words of product, and the net result

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<v Speaker 2>is unremitting bias. Whether it can be resolved, I think

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<v Speaker 2>is a question for BBC management. They've got to control

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:25.840
<v Speaker 2>their journalists and at the moment they're just not getting

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<v Speaker 2>a grip at all. They're just totally out of control.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, the BBC is hugely influential in world media. They

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<v Speaker 4>have viewers listeners across television, radio, social media streaming, They've

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<v Speaker 4>got global news outlets. They claim to be the most

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<v Speaker 4>trusted news brand in the UK. You said they've disputed

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<v Speaker 4>the methodology you've used in your report. Beyond that, have

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<v Speaker 4>they had a response to your damning findings? Are they

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<v Speaker 4>at least attempting to do better in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one of my proposals was that they should have

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<v Speaker 2>a thematic review of their Middle East reporting. Now three

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<v Speaker 2>days after I sent them the report, they announced that

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<v Speaker 2>they were conducting a thematic review of their Middle East reporting.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's clearly bothered them that the report's arrived. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think the report they realize has totally destroyed what

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<v Speaker 2>trust there may still have been in the minds of

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<v Speaker 2>many people that the BBC is doing its job properly.

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<v Speaker 2>The question is whether or not the BBC will actually

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<v Speaker 2>read it with an open mind, and that remains to

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<v Speaker 2>be seen. If not, I have a fear that this

0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 2>matter may have to appear before an English judge and

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<v Speaker 2>an English child's will they understand what impartiality means? Even

0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:51.319
<v Speaker 2>if the BBC don't, and I think that they will

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<v Speaker 2>find the BBC is in absolutely hopeless breach time and

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<v Speaker 2>time again of its own rules.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and it's not just the BBC. I would argue

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<v Speaker 4>your own ABC breaches its charter daily. It would be

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<v Speaker 4>wonderful if you could run a review of their work

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<v Speaker 4>and only said Australians have already been in contact with

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<v Speaker 4>you requesting just that.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for your time this evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it from May. I'll see you tomorrow night at

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<v Speaker 3>nine point thirty four.

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<v Speaker 4>Lefty's losing It, Don't go anywhere. Newsnight is up next