1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: It's Friday, November seven, twenty twenty five. One Nation has 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: doubled its membership base since the May election and is 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: establishing new party branches across regional Australia. One Nations weeks 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: away from launching a new Central Queensland branch after last 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: month poaching National's Tamworth members to set up a base 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: in the heart of Barnaby Joyce's New South Wales electorate 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: of New England. That's an exclusive live now at the 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: Australian dot Com Dot a you. Aaron Patterson waited until 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: the very last moment to launch her appeal against the 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: Mushroom murder convictions, and she's arguing she was the victim 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: of a gross miscarriage of justice. Patterson has always denied 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: wrongdoing and now she says the trial was unfair in 14 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: seven different ways. Today Patterson's bid to get out of jail. 15 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: How does Aaron Patterson say she was wrongly convicted? Well, 16 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: let's count the ways. There are seven grounds of appeal 17 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: in documents lodged by Aaron Patterson's lawyers with the Victorian 18 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. And now, of course, it's up to the 19 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: Court of Appeal to decide whether or not to grant 20 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: leave to Aaron Patterson to proceed to the next stage. First, 21 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: the court will consider the application. If it considers an 22 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: appeal is justified, hearings will be scheduled. That's all likely 23 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: a long way off, so it's safe to say Patterson 24 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: will be spending Christmas in Victoria's toughest women's prison, the 25 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: Dame Phyllis Frost Center. Listeners to the front will remember 26 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: what Patterson's lawyer said about that prison at the sentencing hearing. 27 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: This is a voice acted exchange from back in August 28 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: between Patterson's then lawyer, Colin Mandy sc and Jennifer Hosking 29 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: at Commissioner with Corrections Victoria Holskins said Patterson had access 30 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: to a small mesh fenced yard outside her solitary cell, 31 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: which adjoins her next door neighbor's yard. 32 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: Miss Patterson currently communicates with one other person while they 33 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 2: are in separate yards. She does not currently physically mix 34 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: with other women in the unit. 35 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 3: That's yes, that's correct. She has approval to have access 36 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: with one other prisoner. I'm not aware of how frequently 37 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: that occurs, but she certainly approved to do that. 38 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: And although she has that approval, can I suggest to 39 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: you that she has never spoken one word to that 40 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 2: other prisoner. 41 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 3: I can't deny that. I have no further information on 42 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: that point. That could be for a range of reasons. 43 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 3: It could be the other person or her not wishing 44 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: to have that conversation. 45 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: And that other person is one of the prisoners who's 46 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: been in that unit for a number of years. 47 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 3: That's correct. 48 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: And they are serving a sentence for terrorism offenses. Is 49 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: that right? 50 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 3: Yes, that's correct, and. 51 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: They have attacked other prisoners whilst they've been in custody, correct, 52 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: that's correct. 53 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: Jennifer Hoskins said Patterson's cell was basic. 54 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 3: She has normal cell provisions, things like television, room for 55 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: her personal items. I understand she has. She's a keen 56 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: crocheer and she has a lot of woolen crochet equipment 57 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 3: in there. She has a computer. She has a computer 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 3: which she's had for some time and that's in her cell. 59 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: She also has her own pillows. She has a number 60 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: of crocheted blankets that she's made herself. She has toiletries, books, magazines, 61 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: She has a hair straightener and a fan. 62 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: So it's not surprising Patterson wants to get out. But 63 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: this isn't a complaint about her living conditions. It's Patterson 64 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: trying to get the verdicts themselves overturned. Remember, she was 65 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: convicted of the murder of her parents in law, Don 66 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: and Gale Patterson, and her husband's auntie, Heather Wilkinson. Heather's 67 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: husband In Wilkinson survived the lunch. Aaron Patterson had also 68 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: invited her estranged husband, Simon Patterson to the lunch that 69 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: he declined to attend, and it was revealed after the 70 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: trial that in evidence, the jury hadn't heard Simon Patterson 71 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: had previously told a Victorian court he believed his wife 72 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: had tried to poison him on multiple occasions before the lunch. 73 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: A jury of twelve found Patterson guilty of murder and 74 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: attempted murder, and in Victoria the jury has to be unanimous. 75 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: And remember Aaron Patterson has always denied wrongdoing. She says 76 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: she accidentally included deathcat mushrooms in the deadly meal and 77 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: never meant to harm these elderly relatives whom she loved. 78 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: So here's how Patterson says she was dudded. Ground one 79 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: of her appeal is read for you by an AI voice. 80 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 4: A fundamental irregularity occurred while the jury was sequested that 81 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 4: has fatally undermined the integrity of the verdicts and requires 82 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 4: the quashing of the convictions and an order for a 83 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 4: retrial so that justice cannot only be done, but be 84 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 4: seen to be done. 85 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: There are no more details in the appeal documents, but 86 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: avid watches of this matter will recall that in July, 87 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: Victorian Supreme Court Judge Christopher Beale, who heard the trial 88 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: and sentenced Patterson to thirty three years without parole, revealed 89 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: that there was an issue while the jury was sequestered 90 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: to consider its verdict. Back then, the judge said the 91 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: jury had been staying at the same hotel as the 92 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: police informant who charged Aaron Patterson, Detective Leading Senior Constable 93 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: Stephen Eppingstall, and two prosecution solicitors. The judge said there 94 00:05:54,080 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: had been no interaction with the jury. Pattison's second ground 95 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: is that the cell tower evidence and evidence of deathcap 96 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: mushroom sidings in lock and outram posted to our naturalist 97 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: should not have been adduced in the trial. Patterson says 98 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: they weren't relevant or the probative value of that evidence 99 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: was outweighed by its unfair prejudice. That's where Aaron Patterson's 100 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: phone was allegedly pinging off cell towers in the same 101 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: spots where deathcap mushrooms had been cited by off duty 102 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: mushroom fans who posted to this botany website I Naturalist. 103 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: The third ground is about photos and videos related to 104 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: mushrooms found on SD cards at Aaron Patterson's home. The 105 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: judge ruled those out of the trial, Aaron Patterson's saying 106 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: they should have been allowed in. It's possible that what 107 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: Aaron Patterson's going to argue is that the judge didn't 108 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: let the jury see and hear evidence of what Patterson said. 109 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: She was an avid forager and had photos to prove 110 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: it coming up how Patterson says her own Facebook posts 111 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 1: shouldn't have been seen by the jury. Aaron Patterson's fourth 112 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: ground of appeal is that the judge made a mistake 113 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: by allowing the jury to hear what's called the Facebook evidence. 114 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: That's where Patterson was communicating with online friends, and if 115 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: you recall the trial, she was very frank in her 116 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: feelings about Simon Patterson's family. Ground five is that a 117 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: substantial miscarriage of justice has occurred because of unfair and 118 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: depressive cross examination of Patterson. She's saying that Nanette Rodgers, 119 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: the Crown prosecutor, went too hard. Here's one of their 120 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: exchanges from the trial, read by voice actors Feces. When 121 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: Patterson claimed while in the witness box that she was 122 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: a sufferer of bulimia. She said after the lunch guests 123 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: went home, she polished off two thirds of an orange 124 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: cake Gail Patterson had baked. Patterson said, she then threw up. 125 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 5: Is it your evidence that the vomit was partly constituted 126 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 5: by the beef? Wellington? Correct? 127 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: I have no idea what was in the vomit at all. 128 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 5: Well, it's how. 129 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: Could I its vomit unless you can see a bean 130 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: or a piece of corn. 131 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 5: Well, you didn't have corn at the lunch. 132 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: That was an example. 133 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 5: I suggest that you did not tell a single medical 134 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 5: person that you had vomited after the lunch on the 135 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 5: afternoon of the twenty ninth of July. 136 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 3: That is true. I did not do that. 137 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 5: I suggest that that is something you would have told 138 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 5: them if it were true, correct or incorrect? 139 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: Incorrect? 140 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 5: Do you say it's incorrect because of your embarrassment? 141 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: I say it's incorrect because it's what happened. 142 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: Pattison's sixth ground is a claim that prosecutor Nanette Rogers 143 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: caused a substantial miscarriage of justice in her closing address, 144 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: and Ground seven elaborates on why Patterson says that's the case. 145 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: She says a substantial miscarriage of justice occurred because even 146 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: though in her opening address Nannette Rogers had said, we're 147 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: not going to present you with a motive here, We're 148 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: just going to show you the evidence, Patterson claims that 149 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: in her closing address, Nanett Rogers did imply a motive. Now, 150 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: the judges will look very closely at what Rogers said 151 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: in that closing but here's a snippet of it. To 152 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: be clear, we don't know if this is exactly what 153 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: Patterson is referring to in her appealed documents when she 154 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: says Rogers implied a motive. This is a voice actor. 155 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 5: The evidence shows you might think that the divide between 156 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 5: the accused and her in laws was deeper than they 157 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 5: ever knew. We say that the accused was leading a 158 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 5: duplicitous life. When it came to the Patterson's, she presented 159 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 5: one side while expressing contra beliefs to others. When Don 160 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 5: and Gale sent the accused messages about her ongoing financial 161 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 5: issues with Simon and mentioned praying, she replied with an 162 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 5: eye roll emoji. She was mocking them and their religious 163 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 5: beliefs despite attending church with them. If she did love 164 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 5: them as she claimed, one would expect her to inquire 165 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 5: after their welfare immediately in those circumstances. But what did 166 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 5: she do When Simon told her that Don and Gale 167 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 5: were in hospital? She immediately went on to talk about 168 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 5: her own symptoms, never asked a question about Don and Gale. 169 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: Now it's over to the Victorian courts to decide if 170 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: this appeal can go ahead. You can check out all 171 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: our reporting and analysis on this and all the great 172 00:10:53,559 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: court stories right now at the Australian dot com au