Speaker 1: From the sky Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, KG.
Speaker 1: I'll have something to say about the senator from Tasmania.
Speaker 1: Don't you love to ask a question about the government
Speaker 1: on the opposition? Please? We know how to game anyway. There
Speaker 1: are two things you need to know about this budget
Speaker 1: before I get into anything more complicated. Which of two numbers?
Speaker 1: Will you remember five dollars available as a tax cut
Speaker 1: in fifteen months or one t for trillion dollars debt
Speaker 1: that we're going to rack up this year this year
Speaker 1: in this country, one trillion dollars. In terms of the
Speaker 1: politics of what you have just seen, Yes, it's something
Speaker 1: extra for them to say going into an election, but
Speaker 1: I tell you what most people I believe we're confronted with,
Speaker 1: will you remember five bucks or one trillion dollars? They're
Speaker 1: going to remember one trillion dollars because five bucks it
Speaker 1: ain't going to change anyone's life, all right. The five
Speaker 1: things you need to know about this budget. And I've
Speaker 1: got to be honest. In the fifteen years I've done
Speaker 1: these budgets, this one is the easiest to decipher, the
Speaker 1: easiest to read, because it is like an essay written
Speaker 1: the night before it's due. There was no plan for
Speaker 1: this budget, hence why there's nothing big and serious in it.
Speaker 1: There's just a splashy announcement to get a headline, so
Speaker 1: everyone moves on to the next day, which is when's
Speaker 1: the election going to be? When's the election going to be?
Speaker 1: This was more like a speech to the National Press
Speaker 1: Club than it was a statement of where the economy
Speaker 1: is going to be going and what they're going to
Speaker 1: be doing in the next few years. But as always
Speaker 1: my tradition is to tell you the five things that
Speaker 1: you need to know about this budget. Let's get going now.
Speaker 1: Will you sell your vote for five dollars because that's
Speaker 1: the price this government thinks is what your vote is worth. Now.
Speaker 1: They believe that the two little too late tax cuts
Speaker 1: that were around last year fourteen dollars for people on
Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars, and so it was twelve dollars for
Speaker 1: people on forty thousand dollars. Now they're promising you an
Speaker 1: extra five dollars a week. But guess what. This five
Speaker 1: dollars a week doesn't kick in in July one, So
Speaker 1: vote for us in April or May and then you'll
Speaker 1: get this in July. No, no, no, no, no, you have
Speaker 1: to wait and entire fifteen months before five dollars. That
Speaker 1: is how little they think of the political debate in
Speaker 1: this country. That is how easy they think the people
Speaker 1: can be bought. I disagree, as the Treasurer said in
Speaker 1: his speech, And even the bloke who is trying to
Speaker 1: sell you this lemon of a used car knows he
Speaker 1: ain't going to make it out of the showroom. Is
Speaker 1: a good idea.
Speaker 2: These additional tax cuts are modest, but they will make
Speaker 2: a difference. The average urner will have an extra five
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty six dollars in their pocket each year
Speaker 2: when they're fully implemented.
Speaker 1: Now, again, devil is always in the detail. They want
Speaker 1: the headline to be surprise tax cut in budget. So
Speaker 1: people that are sort of half paying attention, maybe the
Speaker 1: only time they'll see in newspapers at the survey tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll half hear something on FM radio tomorrow, and
Speaker 1: sure that will be part of the coverage. But again
Speaker 1: the devil is in the detail. The federal election happens
Speaker 1: before July the first. The next financial year starts July
Speaker 1: the first. Generally speaking, when there are decisions that are
Speaker 1: the centerpiece of a federal budget. Those decisions are due
Speaker 1: on July the first of that year. No, no, no, this
Speaker 1: one kicks in July the first, next to you, and
Speaker 1: then there's something else maybe twelve months after that. Let's
Speaker 1: be really serious here, but this is extraordinary, the low
Speaker 1: grade salesmanship of a bloke who was not a doctor
Speaker 1: of economics. He's a doctor of spin. Remember that was
Speaker 1: his speciality was how did Paul Keating sell his economic policies?
Speaker 1: Well'll tell you what, while Porul Keating will no doubt
Speaker 1: come out and say greatest thing ever, because remember he
Speaker 1: said that about Bill Shorten, and then when Bill Shorton lost,
Speaker 1: he turn around said why would anyone vote for the
Speaker 1: dumb ideas of Bill Shorten. I'm sure he comes out
Speaker 1: and says greatest idea great great government. But compare introducing
Speaker 1: the GST, floating the dollar, deregulating the banks to this garbage.
Speaker 1: This is the dregs of the great minds that have
Speaker 1: run our country. And they honestly think that for five
Speaker 1: dollars a week in a year's time, you'll forget twelve
Speaker 1: interstrate rises tens of thousands of dollars extra that you
Speaker 1: have had to pay off your mortgage, that you will
Speaker 1: forget that this government increased the tax on petrol to
Speaker 1: fifty cents in one liter, that you will forget that
Speaker 1: if you buy something like a bottle of Bundy run
Speaker 1: sixty three percent of that is tax. That you will
Speaker 1: somehow magically forget that three and a bit million people
Speaker 1: in this country do not know where their food is
Speaker 1: coming from by the end of this week. Five dollars
Speaker 1: What an insult? What an insult? And to watch the
Speaker 1: Canberra class just all together because that's the team they like,
Speaker 1: and that's the team that will tuck them into bed
Speaker 1: faed income. In the real world, five dollars doesn't change
Speaker 1: anyone's life, let alone those people who are just I mean,
Speaker 1: there's three million people that it is close to homelessness,
Speaker 1: three million. But you'll be distracted, you'll vote for the
Speaker 1: very people who are going to offer you five bucks
Speaker 1: in one year. It is outrageous. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I love how the little spin is working on this.
Speaker 1: When my friend and colleague Andrew and Clonel fronted the
Speaker 1: treasurer with a five dollar note to kind of drive
Speaker 1: home the point of how ridiculous all of this is
Speaker 1: Listen to how Jim Channers tries to say, well, we
Speaker 1: deserved it for last year's budget as well, and if
Speaker 1: you put last year together with this year, that's lot
Speaker 1: of money. Remember twelve dollars a week, we're now talking
Speaker 1: about a grand title of seventeen dollars a week for
Speaker 1: people forty thousand dollars fed Incan have a listen to
Speaker 1: this bloke. I'm honest, there worth about that much a week.
Speaker 2: And in combination with the tax cuts that we're already delivering,
Speaker 2: the average taxhout's about fifty bucks a week.
Speaker 1: But I've talked about these ones. You don't get to
Speaker 1: a pineapple this time. You just you're giving people a
Speaker 1: cup of coffee a week.
Speaker 3: Aren't you.
Speaker 2: Well, this is about topping up the tax cuts which
Speaker 2: are flowing already.
Speaker 4: What we've tried to do here with this fifty bucks
Speaker 4: a week and three.
Speaker 2: Tax cuts, well cumulatively fifty bucks a week.
Speaker 1: Too little, too late, Too little, too late. Now again,
Speaker 1: just a little news for all those people that are
Speaker 1: packing up their laptops after sitting there and being very
Speaker 1: obedient people doing what the treasury officials and the Treasurer says.
Speaker 1: Covering this budget before they go off to the bars
Speaker 1: of the Act. A poll was done in July of
Speaker 1: last year that showed more than seventy percent of Australians
Speaker 1: could not name a single thing that made their lives
Speaker 1: financially better under this government. They didn't remember too little,
Speaker 1: too late last year. They will not remember five dollars
Speaker 1: in a year's time, they'll remember a trillion dollars. Because
Speaker 1: that number is a shame. It is a disgrace, and
Speaker 1: I'll get to that in further detail. But if we
Speaker 1: want to combine the upsides of this government were too little,
Speaker 1: too late last year and four fifths of bugger all
Speaker 1: this time, you should remember that if you go back
Speaker 1: a couple of budgets, right back to one of the
Speaker 1: first that was delivered by Grim Jim Charmers, he took
Speaker 1: what was called the low to middle income tax offset
Speaker 1: off the table. This was a COVID era payment that
Speaker 1: I believe should have continued until this day. And in
Speaker 1: my view, if Peter Dutton wants a nice little winner,
Speaker 1: this should go for the next couple of years because
Speaker 1: that was a guaranteed fifteen hundred dollar tax return to
Speaker 1: ten million workers. So this bloke wants to say, oh,
Speaker 1: twenty five dollars a month with your power bills, thank you,
Speaker 1: mister charmers. Five dollars a week tax cut in twelve
Speaker 1: months time, thank you, mister charmers. He took fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: dollars off you. You would have had three thousand dollars more. Instead,
Speaker 1: We're all supposed to think that these crumbs off the
Speaker 1: table that add up to a big enough number to
Speaker 1: stand there to deliver with all of the smugness, the
Speaker 1: address that he delivered tonight. Honestly, it is the second
Speaker 1: thing about the five things that you need to know
Speaker 1: about this budget. I've got plenty of other people to
Speaker 1: come in debate, tell me I'm right, tell me I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: But more importantly, I just can't hide this one tonight.
Speaker 1: This is a disgrace. The budget gets worse over the
Speaker 1: next decade. Now, regular viewers of this program will know
Speaker 1: that I have been laser focused on I think called
Speaker 1: the Intergenerational Report. This was produced by the same people
Speaker 1: who produce the federal budget, Treasury, and it says that
Speaker 1: the Australian federal budget will be in deficit, not for
Speaker 1: five years, not for ten years, but in fact all
Speaker 1: of the way through the twenty twenties, all the way
Speaker 1: through the twenty thirties, all the way through the twenty forties,
Speaker 1: all the way through the twenty fifties until after the
Speaker 1: Jetsons was set, which is twenty sixty two, forty years
Speaker 1: of deficits. Yet the ones we get an insert into
Speaker 1: tonight is forty two billion dollars this year, thirty five
Speaker 1: billion next year, thirty seven billion after that, thirty six
Speaker 1: billion after that. Put it all together, that's one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty eight billion dollars in the next term of
Speaker 1: government if this one gets returned, because apparently they can
Speaker 1: buy you off with five dollars. How patronizing. Another thing,
Speaker 1: by the way, you know, all those politicians, including Jim Charmers,
Speaker 1: including the Prime Minister, they've got three pay rises in
Speaker 1: this election term alone, since the last three, and we
Speaker 1: deserve another three or are guaranteed four years for five bucks.
Speaker 1: It is so insulting, is so insulting, and it'll take
Speaker 1: a few weeks for the data to come back. But
Speaker 1: normal people, normal people will view this with the middle
Speaker 1: finger that it deserves, which brings us to one big,
Speaker 1: ugly number, one trillion dollars one thousand billion dollars, not
Speaker 1: in five years, not in ten years, not in twenty years,
Speaker 1: this financial year when Australia will hit that amount of debt.
Speaker 1: And the political class and political generations and the dregs
Speaker 1: of good governments have been ringing this up for years.
Speaker 1: But what is a particular disgrace about this number is
Speaker 1: the Jim Charmers and Anthony Arberanezi and Kadie Gallaher tried
Speaker 1: to use the number of a trillion dollars debt to
Speaker 1: bash Scott Morrison around the head. Remember actually this I
Speaker 1: think from before the election, a Liberal Party trillion dollars
Speaker 1: with a debt. Well, the number was not a trillion dollars. Instead,
Speaker 1: the trillion dollars will happen on this government's watch this year.
Speaker 1: Put it this way, Australia will owe a trillion dollars
Speaker 1: in debt before you will get five dollars a week
Speaker 1: in a tax cut. That equates, by the way, at
Speaker 1: thirty six thousand, six hundred and seventeen dollars, which is
Speaker 1: now owed by every single Australia from the one born, yes,
Speaker 1: the one who died tomorrow thirty six point thirty six thousand,
Speaker 1: six hundred and seventeen. But you know, the truth is
Speaker 1: all this debt is going to be paid by future generations.
Speaker 1: So let's, just for fun, take a trillion dollars and
Speaker 1: divide it by the number of people that are eighteen
Speaker 1: and younger in this country, because that number is one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. Oh, we're building for
Speaker 1: Australia's future. No you're not. You're bankrupting it. Oh we
Speaker 1: really care about the next generator. No you're not. One
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five thousand dollars for everyone under the
Speaker 1: age of eighteen, honestly, and these people, these numbers get
Speaker 1: worse because have a look. Last year, nine hundred and
Speaker 1: forty billion dollars. This year one hundred and two, sorry,
Speaker 1: one trillion dollars. Next year are trillion dollars, another seven
Speaker 1: billion dollars added on top of things here, sorry, seventy
Speaker 1: billion dollars. Then it's one point one, Then it's one
Speaker 1: point two. But up, up, up, up up, which is
Speaker 1: why when you have a deficit every year, it goes
Speaker 1: on top of every deficit that's ever been delivered before.
Speaker 1: And you want to know by the way about why
Speaker 1: this is a problem. This is from the federal budget.
Speaker 1: This is the bit where you go and have a
Speaker 1: look at the expenses. Okay, the amount of money we
Speaker 1: spend on things. Unsurprisingly, that amount of debt is going
Speaker 1: to take more money from the federal government than the
Speaker 1: federal government gives to financial support for people with disabilities.
Speaker 1: That amount of servicing that debt is going to be
Speaker 1: more than the pharmaceutical benefits schame. So think about every
Speaker 1: single drug in every single chemist, for every single Australian
Speaker 1: that is discounted by the tax bar. Well, guess what
Speaker 1: the entire cost of that system is cheaper than the
Speaker 1: debt bill we have starting this year. It is outrageous
Speaker 1: and the fact that these people think that they deserve
Speaker 1: another three years. Remember what they said when they were
Speaker 1: pretending it was the Liberal Party that passed the triuting
Speaker 1: dollar threshold. Ah, it's this government this year, this treasurer,
Speaker 1: who will take that moment in history?
Speaker 2: Only a liberal government could spend one hundred billion dollars
Speaker 2: in one night, rack up a trillion dollars in debt
Speaker 2: and debt and still have workers go backwards. This is
Speaker 2: a prime minister with a budget for the trillion dollars
Speaker 2: in debt and not enough.
Speaker 4: To show for it.
Speaker 2: The reason why we've got a trillion dollars in debt
Speaker 2: now is because this government sprays around money for political purposes.
Speaker 2: That budget which is absolutely heaving with a trillion dollars
Speaker 2: in Liberal Party debt. No wonder, he has no credibility,
Speaker 2: No wonder they racked up a trillion dollars a debt
Speaker 2: with almost nothing to show for it.
Speaker 1: All right, Number four, small business got screwed, and I
Speaker 1: mean badly in this budget. Something that has been around
Speaker 1: for a little while to think, call the instant asset.
Speaker 1: Right off, this is the one little break that people
Speaker 1: and small business have had, which means if you've got
Speaker 1: a lawn mowing business, you can go and buy and
Speaker 1: new maler, you write it off against your tax. If
Speaker 1: you've got a cafe and you need to get a
Speaker 1: new chip fryer, you can write it off against your tax. Previously,
Speaker 1: it's gone up to about twenty thousand dollars, then in
Speaker 1: COVID went up to one hundred thousand dollars. Then it
Speaker 1: came back to twenty thousand dollars, and tonight it disappears
Speaker 1: more businesses than ever are hitting the wall at the moment.
Speaker 1: Many of them are these small cafes and restaurants, and
Speaker 1: sadly there'll be more of them because the little break
Speaker 1: you got has been taken away by the bloke who've
Speaker 1: got three pay rises in the past three years. And finally,
Speaker 1: this is the most important political point, apart from the
Speaker 1: five dollars versus one trillion dollars. Labor is setting the
Speaker 1: plate to blame Trump for bad times. Listen to just
Speaker 1: how many times a certain word got used in a
Speaker 1: budget about Australia.
Speaker 5: Yeah, global at global global, global global and global globals
Speaker 5: globe globalization global.
Speaker 1: That's code for Trump. Now they'll say it's the Chinese economy,
Speaker 1: it's the global No, no, it's code for Trump. Because
Speaker 1: on April the second, Donald Trump is going to make
Speaker 1: his next round of decisions when it comes to tariff's.
Speaker 1: Now the Australian steal an anilminium industry has been, of
Speaker 1: course affected by twenty five percent tariff one that, of course,
Speaker 1: this Prime Minister was somehow going to save us from
Speaker 1: Karen Rudd over there in Washington was also going to
Speaker 1: say no, no, of course it didn't happen. But who
Speaker 1: knows what the next round is going to be. And
Speaker 1: I guarantee you, I guarantee you that if Trump hits
Speaker 1: Australia with something similar to what he did with steal
Speaker 1: an aluminium, labor will win the federal election. Why because
Speaker 1: while I might be Trump and I'm not jumping off
Speaker 1: the MAGA train, the majority of Australians do not like
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. The majority of Australians do not like the
Speaker 1: way that he is running the world. In fact, in
Speaker 1: places like Canada, where their government was running so badly
Speaker 1: Trudeau had to go, they were trailing. Now they're leading.
Speaker 1: Kiir Starmer, who was starting to fall behind Niger Ferrag
Speaker 1: is now leading again. Why because they're pushing up against Trump.
Speaker 1: In fact, a pole was put out yesterday telling just
Speaker 1: a simple question, what annoys you? Apparently more people in Australia,
Speaker 1: according this survey, are annoyed by Donald Trump than the
Speaker 1: cost of living. Now I don't quite believe that, but
Speaker 1: you get my point. So this government is betting that
Speaker 1: they can buy your vote for five dollars that you
Speaker 1: will ignore one trillion dollars worth of debt. That small
Speaker 1: business is so small it doesn't matter, and that Donald
Speaker 1: Trump will do something that means we debate him, not them,
Speaker 1: for the next few weeks. Chris Kenny joins me in
Speaker 1: the room right now, of course, Kenny report five pm.
Speaker 1: That's when Primetime starts each and every night. Andrew Bolt,
Speaker 1: the King of all Things, is of course in Melbourne,
Speaker 1: and you can see him at seven o'clock Australian Eastern
Speaker 1: daylight time. Boys, that's enough from me, Chris, your thoughts.
Speaker 6: Look, this is the budget where Labor has laid politics
Speaker 6: completely and forgotten about economics. But what they've really revealed
Speaker 6: is just how broken the budget is.
Speaker 1: Think about this mob.
Speaker 6: They will spend, spend, spend, even when they have to
Speaker 6: put it all on the credit card, to buy off
Speaker 6: the unions, to put more public servants on the staff
Speaker 6: so they can work from home and get more pay
Speaker 6: risers that they will never they will never be caught
Speaker 6: short when it comes to spending. Yet the best they
Speaker 6: can do in this budget, this election eve budget, is
Speaker 6: to give a five dollar tax cut more than a
Speaker 6: year down the track from now.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: That just shows how bare the cup it is. They're so,
Speaker 6: they are so stuck for money, they have blown so
Speaker 6: much money that that's the best they can do. And
Speaker 6: of course it's not there for relief. It's not going
Speaker 6: to help anyone. It's there to try and distract the media,
Speaker 6: try and have the discussion about that, rather than the
Speaker 6: billion dollars you're talking about a billion dollars of debt.
Speaker 6: We used to talk about it a decade ago as
Speaker 6: some sort of horror story that could never unfold. It's
Speaker 6: here within the next few months. And what's worse is
Speaker 6: over the next few years it goes to one point
Speaker 6: two billion dollars and people are going to be paying
Speaker 6: for this in decades to come. There is no plan
Speaker 6: here to fix the budget, to restore the budget, to
Speaker 6: encourage growth and productivity in our economy.
Speaker 1: There's just no way out.
Speaker 6: There's just more debt and more of Labour's big government solutions,
Speaker 6: including in immigration.
Speaker 1: They saying there.
Speaker 6: Will be more than a quarter of a million additional
Speaker 6: people coming into the country next year in net terms,
Speaker 6: and they've always overshot their budgets. That's another area where
Speaker 6: if I was Peter Dutton, I would be coming in
Speaker 6: with a much lower figure than that.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight billion dollars. Andrew Bolt is what it's going
Speaker 1: to cost annually to pay one trillion dollars in debt
Speaker 1: twenty eight billion dollars. That a year's time becomes thirty three,
Speaker 1: then it becomes thirty seven, then it becomes forty one
Speaker 1: billion dollars a year. Again, that number puts you in
Speaker 1: front of the farm pmaceutical benefit scheme, in front of
Speaker 1: the financial support for families, in front of what we
Speaker 1: pay people totally for the doll in front of what
Speaker 1: we pay people when it comes to childcare, in front
Speaker 1: of what at the moment when it comes to army capabilities.
Speaker 1: In fact, it'd be almost three times more than that. Andrew,
Speaker 1: this trillion dollars is the number I think they remember,
Speaker 1: not the five dollar flash. But what do you think?
Speaker 4: Look, I totally agree that the debt is the big
Speaker 4: story here. I think it was really telling. It's symbolic
Speaker 4: of where the country is and how this is a
Speaker 4: budget not for building Australians, just for carving up a
Speaker 4: vanishing pie. That the two fastest growing items in this
Speaker 4: of spending in the years ahere tore a interest payments
Speaker 4: on our debt and b the National Disability Insurance scheme.
Speaker 4: You cannot tell me the seven hundred thousand Australians really
Speaker 4: are permanently and seriously disabled, but they need to hand
Speaker 4: out one in thirty five Australians. It just shows we're
Speaker 4: becoming a word fare country. There's nothing in this budget
Speaker 4: about building us and there'll be a lot of people.
Speaker 4: You know how it is poor when you're at university,
Speaker 4: so you're eighteen, nineteen, twenty twenty one, you tend to
Speaker 4: be at the left and you're thinking, I like a
Speaker 4: big government. I like these handouts. Hey, they're going to
Speaker 4: forgive student debt for instance. You know, so people who
Speaker 4: paid off their debt they're now going to have to
Speaker 4: pay off someone else's student debt as well. I want
Speaker 4: to tell them, this big spending government, it's not me
Speaker 4: that's going to end up paying back whatever it will
Speaker 4: be in ten years time. For ten years at least,
Speaker 4: we're going to have more and more and more deficits
Speaker 4: adding to the debt before we even begin to start
Speaker 4: paying it off. Ten years from now. It won't be
Speaker 4: me paying it off. It's going to be these eighteen
Speaker 4: and twenty twenty one year olds who'll then be starting
Speaker 4: families ten years from now, trying to work hard, trying
Speaker 4: to build something, maybe trying to buy their house if
Speaker 4: there anyone can afford it then and they will start
Speaker 4: having to pay off this that's there, that is being
Speaker 4: wrecked up right now and in the ten years to
Speaker 4: come under this government. And I have to tell you,
Speaker 4: you know, when you're young, you tend to be of
Speaker 4: the left. When you're older, you tend to be conservatives.
Speaker 4: You can see the consequences is a lot of kids
Speaker 4: in eighteen nineteen that are going to have to grow
Speaker 4: very very fast and realize this government is an enemy
Speaker 4: of their future.
Speaker 1: Well, again, we did the numbers right. We grabbed the
Speaker 1: calculator and had a look eighteen and under what is it?
Speaker 1: One hundred and seventy five one thousand dollars a trillion
Speaker 1: dollars divided by every person who is under the age
Speaker 1: of eighteen increases one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Now I get it. It isn't the individual, it's the country.
Speaker 1: And the whole point is this, for every dollar we
Speaker 1: have to spend, so in this case, what next you
Speaker 1: twenty eight billion dollars. That's twenty eight billion dollars that
Speaker 1: we don't spend defending ourselves, feeding the homeless.
Speaker 6: Or to keep their own taxes, their own hard earned money.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's essentially criminal what they're doing to the
Speaker 6: budget here. It is intergenerational theft, absolutely. And the other
Speaker 6: thing I think that's at the core of all this,
Speaker 6: and it's hardly mentioned of course today, is energy and
Speaker 6: the self harm we're doing to our solves here. It's
Speaker 6: hurting families, it's hurting small business, it's forcing manufacturing a
Speaker 6: big business offshore, and it's all deliberate. This government is
Speaker 6: pretending it can change the global climate by destroying our
Speaker 6: energy grid. No other country, no other modern country, even
Speaker 6: attempting to do this because they know it can't be done.
Speaker 6: They mock a nuclear alternative, even though most of the
Speaker 6: developed world is going to nuclear because they want to
Speaker 6: get rid of emissions. Yet this is increasing the costs
Speaker 6: of everything we do, reducing the power of our economy
Speaker 6: and getting rid of investment.
Speaker 1: And now they're borrowing more.
Speaker 6: Money because everything extra spending now is borrowed, Borrowing more
Speaker 6: money to throw people rebates to try and keep their
Speaker 6: power bills down.
Speaker 1: Absolutely criminal. I think I'm inntioned in a haze my
Speaker 1: memory at the past twenty minutes. But there's about my
Speaker 1: anger about what's happening here. The bar is so low
Speaker 1: for the left when it comes to this government that
Speaker 1: it goes from. And I'm going to play out a
Speaker 1: little metaphor here. All right, if you've ever walked up
Speaker 1: to a poker machine and you've seen five dollars in it,
Speaker 1: and you've gone, well, no one's here. All right, gamble,
Speaker 1: you're winn a bit, you're winnaby. You get up to
Speaker 1: one hundred bucks, and you really should walk away when
Speaker 1: you're up one hundred bucks. This government has peed away
Speaker 1: one hundred bucks and has now gone to the ATM
Speaker 1: and got another couple of hundred bucks to keep playing.
Speaker 1: Like the idea that their narrative, Andrew has been, we
Speaker 1: fixed the joint two times in a row. We had
Speaker 1: more money and we were able to pay. And now
Speaker 1: they want a gold star and to be returned to
Speaker 1: the job for three years when on their management it's
Speaker 1: totally evaporated. Yet again, what is all of the narrative
Speaker 1: out of the lock up? Surprise tax cut, surprise tax cut, No, no,
Speaker 1: no no. The pilot of the plane has just whacked
Speaker 1: it into the mountain.
Speaker 4: Well, what's so grossly responsible? About this this budget is
Speaker 4: that it's adding to the dead one hundred and eighty
Speaker 4: billion dollars more debt, but from now to twenty nineteen,
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty billion dollars at a time when
Speaker 4: you've got very low unemployment, so you're not paying out
Speaker 4: a lot in welfare, and you're getting a lot in taxes.
Speaker 4: You've got mass immigration that adds to the tax takers. Well,
Speaker 4: you've actually got growth the moment, we're not in recession.
Speaker 4: You've got all this going for us, and they still
Speaker 4: are going deep, deep, deep in the red, and further
Speaker 4: in the red than they thought just a year ago.
Speaker 4: Right at the same time in this budget speech, Charmer says, well, actually,
Speaker 4: the outlook ahead is really not good.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you've got.
Speaker 4: China maybe going through recession. You've got tariff wars, you've
Speaker 4: got a couple of real wars going on, and all
Speaker 4: this is absolutely true, and world growth has been trimmed.
Speaker 4: Yet we've got nothing in that coboard to deal with this.
Speaker 4: Should we need, you know, the whole stimulus thing again,
Speaker 4: and all that it's being blown in good times, leaving
Speaker 4: us with nothing for bad times. I think this is
Speaker 4: so grotesquely irresponsible.
Speaker 1: So again, let's let's take a breather and talk about
Speaker 1: the politics of this right. What does five dollars buy
Speaker 1: this government? Chris? Because I'm not sure it buys them
Speaker 1: a vote, but does it buy them a headline? Does
Speaker 1: it buy them a circuit breaker? Does it buy them
Speaker 1: sort of tactical advantage? Because with the Libs coming out
Speaker 1: and saying no, there's two days of no before we
Speaker 1: find out what they're going to do. And I'm going
Speaker 1: to get to our free advice to the opposition in
Speaker 1: a second. What does the five dollars a week in
Speaker 1: a year's time by the government.
Speaker 6: I think everything we've seen from Jim Chalmers and Anthony
Speaker 6: Alberanisi in all of their political lives is supremely political,
Speaker 6: supremely short term and political. And I think this tax
Speaker 6: cut ruse in the budget is entirely to get some
Speaker 6: decent headlines tomorrow, to have the camera press gallery talking
Speaker 6: about tax cuts instead of debt and deficit as far
Speaker 6: as the eye can see. And sadly as you and
Speaker 6: I and Andrew know, it'll work with most of the media.
Speaker 1: It'll get them a.
Speaker 6: Few days of that and then they'll call the election
Speaker 6: and off they go. The tax cuts are not meaningful,
Speaker 6: that it's not reform. They swallowed up by bracket.
Speaker 1: Creep within a year or two anyway.
Speaker 6: So it is a short term bit of politicking, and
Speaker 6: it's got and it's a seventeen billion dollar short term
Speaker 6: bit of politicking.
Speaker 1: I think also, Andrew, it's worth noting, as I mentioned before,
Speaker 1: right after everything that happened last year and last year's budget,
Speaker 1: seventy something percent of people tell you Gov they can't
Speaker 1: remember a single thing that's made their financial, their life
Speaker 1: financially better as a result of this government. There was
Speaker 1: also an essential poll which happened many months after the
Speaker 1: budget last time, and people didn't even know or remember
Speaker 1: about the tax cuts, which of course is the justification
Speaker 1: for spending hundreds of billions of dollars of our own
Speaker 1: money to tell us they're giving our own money at
Speaker 1: the circle here, we've got a very narrow period of
Speaker 1: time between now and the elections. So same question to you,
Speaker 1: what is the five dollars buy them? And how long
Speaker 1: does it last?
Speaker 4: I think the five dollars buy some contempt. I mean
Speaker 4: you saw can heatly go out to bent Along and
Speaker 4: interview locals. I said, you know who's asking them. Will
Speaker 4: five dollars make you vote Labor? Absolutely not. Don't touch
Speaker 4: the size. I mean, of course it won't five dollars.
Speaker 4: I mean the way coffee prices are going, that won't
Speaker 4: buy you even a cup of coffee a week for
Speaker 4: your family. It's insane. It's just as you say, to
Speaker 4: buy a headline in order to hide the real truth.
Speaker 4: And this is the whole thing about this budget, right.
Speaker 4: So much of the budget is actually designed to hide
Speaker 4: Labour's failure, so miserly.
Speaker 3: Tax cuts, the fact that our growth.
Speaker 4: Is anemic and living standards have fallen. You've had a
Speaker 4: little one hundred and fifty dollars handout for your power
Speaker 4: prices to hide the fact that Labour's absolutely stuffed the
Speaker 4: electricity system and set your electricity bills way up instead
Speaker 4: of down. You've got a little handout come wealth to
Speaker 4: rent a systems, and you've got a handout for a
Speaker 4: few lucky Australians buying the first home to hide the
Speaker 4: fact that Labor led in a million immigrants without having
Speaker 4: the housing for them, causing a housing crisis. It goes
Speaker 4: all the way through this budget. It as a fig
Speaker 4: leaf for Labour's failure.
Speaker 1: Well, by the way, when you're talking about migration, and
Speaker 1: again this is and I know, you know, nasty, nicky Saffa,
Speaker 1: she'll say you're not allowed to talk about this because
Speaker 1: the dog whistles. You know, Laura Tingle will be worried
Speaker 1: about whether there's going to be riots at auctions, remember
Speaker 1: all of that garbage, clap, clup clup. For some reason,
Speaker 1: in the budget there is not a four year projection
Speaker 1: about net overseas migration. I spoke to Sherry Markson, who
Speaker 1: of course covered this as part of the budget lock up,
Speaker 1: as well as looked at the numbers myself. All they
Speaker 1: produced are numbers for the next two years, which is
Speaker 1: going to be two hundred and sixty thousand plus two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five. But if you put together the
Speaker 1: past four years, it's one point twenty five million people.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Man, don't forget these these are estimates. And so they're
Speaker 6: estimating two sixty for next year, which is what they
Speaker 6: estimated for this year and got three forty five. So
Speaker 6: they keep over shooting their estimates. And I would have
Speaker 6: thought that that target is too high anyway, And Peter
Speaker 6: Dutton or to be talking about something below one fifty
Speaker 6: given our housing crisis. So I think this is something
Speaker 6: that will play out in the next few days and
Speaker 6: early in the election campaign hopefully.
Speaker 1: So what I think is going to be very interesting years.
Speaker 1: If Alba wants to he can call an election at
Speaker 1: any time. If Alba wants to take the low road,
Speaker 1: he can do it tomorrow morning, or he can do
Speaker 1: it on Thursday at five o'clock. And they will deny
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton the chance of having thirty minutes uninterrupted on
Speaker 1: taxpayer television and here to be able to actually put
Speaker 1: out his main ideas and put simply obviously they're going
Speaker 1: to try to offer up some sort of a tax cut.
Speaker 1: I love that all of the people who aren't asking
Speaker 1: the Treasurer where is it going to be? How are
Speaker 1: you paying for this, will of course suddenly all care
Speaker 1: about where the money comes from when it comes to
Speaker 1: the lips. I've got a couple of ideas about what
Speaker 1: I think are either the conversation changes and the rest
Speaker 1: of it. But again, Andrew, maximum pressure Peter Dutton Thursday night.
Speaker 1: He'll be with us Monday night in his own electorate
Speaker 1: taking questions from the audience. He's got to basically put
Speaker 1: a number, and it feels like he's going to be
Speaker 1: pushed by the Camber insiders to a what's in it
Speaker 1: for me number? But what do you suggest should be
Speaker 1: his main meat on the table Thursday night?
Speaker 3: I'm afraid is.
Speaker 4: Left it a bit late to do the comprehensive cell
Speaker 4: of what this country needs. We know what happened also
Speaker 4: when Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey said, look, this country
Speaker 4: has been too hooked on welfare, we're going to cut
Speaker 4: that back and they hit a wall. So Peter Dutton
Speaker 4: is going to be very concerned about not going too
Speaker 4: far and have time to sell that anyway. But I
Speaker 4: do think you will need to offer bigger tax cuts.
Speaker 4: You know, don't spend it, sir Peter, give it back.
Speaker 4: That's the number one and number two cut immigration, cut immigration.
Speaker 4: It's going to have an effect on the budget top line,
Speaker 4: but I think it's going to make life easier for
Speaker 4: most Australians. And is that housing crisis. Those are two
Speaker 4: things for a start. He's also got to promise lots
Speaker 4: and lots of cutting of red tape, faster approvals, I
Speaker 4: mean absolute, almost instant approvals for.
Speaker 3: Getting gas we can't have.
Speaker 4: But this government's been up to even closing a one
Speaker 4: billion dollar gold mine because of some banded b Aboriginal
Speaker 4: dreaming that the traditional owners have never even heard of themselves.
Speaker 4: I mean, this kind of nonsense has to stop. So
Speaker 4: I just think it's got to be pedal to the
Speaker 4: metal on development, cutting, red tape, cutting in integration, cutting taxes.
Speaker 1: All right, Chris Kenny some question, Yeah, I agree with
Speaker 1: all of that.
Speaker 6: I agree also that I think Peter Dutton and the
Speaker 6: Coulition should have been out on this stuff every day
Speaker 6: all of this year.
Speaker 3: They haven't done enough of it.
Speaker 6: Energy is big and that's why the nuclear thing should
Speaker 6: have been pushed a lot harder. The nuclear argument isn't
Speaker 6: nuclear because we want nuclear, but because what we're doing
Speaker 6: at the moment is failing drastically and can't work. They
Speaker 6: need to explain to Australians that Labour's renewables plus storage
Speaker 6: model cannot work, does not work. We'll just continue to
Speaker 6: put prices up and get rid of energy reliability. So
Speaker 6: you need nuclear, but you need gas in the meantime,
Speaker 6: No matter what, you need more gas. We need cheap, cheap,
Speaker 6: affordable energy and cheaper reliable energy is the number one
Speaker 6: economic advantage that this country was founded on, and labor
Speaker 6: has completely squandered it. You've certainly got to go for
Speaker 6: a steep cut in immigration as well. And when it
Speaker 6: comes to cost cutting, I'm afraid they're going to have
Speaker 6: to buy the bullet to and talk about the NDIS.
Speaker 6: The NDIS is a runaway train at the moment, and
Speaker 6: it's not just helping people. It's being rotted and it's
Speaker 6: wasting money hand over fist. It'll cost more than our
Speaker 6: defense budget soon. And we need a defense force, and
Speaker 6: we need a government that's of the right size and affordable.
Speaker 6: So there's a lot to do cutting out just duplication
Speaker 6: between state and federal governments. No one's ever had a
Speaker 6: proper goal that, and you'll save countless billions doing that.
Speaker 6: But it's time to stop just playing around and matching
Speaker 6: matching with politics. You've got to come up with the
Speaker 6: right reforms. If he does anything on tax I would
Speaker 6: index the tax.
Speaker 1: Rates, get rid of bracket creep forever. Yeah, great point.
Speaker 4: By the way, when we're talking about you know, add
Speaker 4: one more thing, can add one more thing.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, family goodness, it.
Speaker 4: Is not a budget. It's not just the budget art
Speaker 4: in this I think it is absolutely crucial for Peter
Speaker 4: Dunt't to pick a fight with Donald Trump because, as
Speaker 4: you've said, Paul, I mean labor has been and a
Speaker 4: labor's been doing this for the last week in a bit,
Speaker 4: trying to harness an anti Trump sentiment and say that
Speaker 4: Peter dutt is a mini Trump and has been wisely
Speaker 4: resisting the temptation urging him by others to be a
Speaker 4: Donald Trump. Donald Trump is making left wing leaders around
Speaker 4: the world, like you said, Canada, Britain, elsewhere more popular
Speaker 4: for standing up to him, and he better stand up
Speaker 4: to Trump before albanize he pins this mini Trump on him,
Speaker 4: because what Trump has proved that this is an era
Speaker 4: where it's not about make America great again, it's make
Speaker 4: your own country great again, and that means taking on
Speaker 4: Donald Trump. And I think that's going to be a
Speaker 4: really important message for him to do.
Speaker 1: I agree completely again, I am running from Maga, right,
Speaker 1: I got the red hat. I listened to Bannon plenty right.
Speaker 1: I'm aware, right, but the realities in this country, you
Speaker 1: can't ignore what the majority of you is. It'd be
Speaker 1: fascinating to see that happen.
Speaker 6: Well, but he's wrong on tariffs too, and we need
Speaker 6: free trade in this country. So you've just got to
Speaker 6: stand up to him clearly on tariffs.
Speaker 1: By the way, lads, I did of a research a
Speaker 1: job last which I think just means homework really or
Speaker 1: a lot of googling. To compare the lastyear's budget to
Speaker 1: one twenty years ago. The total number of government organizations
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six was seven hundred and ten.
Speaker 1: Last year thirteen hundred and twenty two. Don't talk about
Speaker 1: work from home, don't talk about the number of public servants.
Speaker 1: Talk about the number of organizations, because then you can
Speaker 1: flick and flick and flick. Thank you, lads, plenty more
Speaker 1: to fire up about here tonight. Is always going to
Speaker 1: send me an email poldsgunews dot com, do AU Jane Hughes,
Speaker 1: Shadow Finance Minister Holly Hughes, who's free to say whatever
Speaker 1: she wants, of course, from the Senate. Joe Hildebrand and
Speaker 1: Clive Palmer next, thanks very much for watching Clive Palmer
Speaker 1: joints us in a moment or two time. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's got plenty to say about one trillion dollars in
Speaker 1: debt There are only two numbers you need to remember.
Speaker 1: Out of this budget. They're going to try to with
Speaker 1: five dollars tax cut, but you don't get it this year.
Speaker 1: You got to wait till next year or this year.
Speaker 1: This year Australia passes one trillion dollars in debt. What
Speaker 1: an extraordinary and shameful number. Do not be distracted by
Speaker 1: the rubber duckies that they want you to be distracted
Speaker 1: in like a kidner bath. Pay attention to the fact
Speaker 1: that the water is overflowing and the lady from Amy
Speaker 1: ain't here to help. Jane Hines, the shadow Finance minister.
Speaker 1: If there is a change of government, that'll be her
Speaker 1: job in part to deal with it, particularly when it
Speaker 1: comes to things like the public service. She of courses
Speaker 1: in Canberra. Jane, nice to talk to you, but this
Speaker 1: year's the year we cross a trillion dollars. Yet these
Speaker 1: people want a gold star for five bucks in fifteen
Speaker 1: months time.
Speaker 7: It was a profoundly disappointing budget tonight, Paul. This is
Speaker 7: clearly a budget not for the next five years or
Speaker 7: fifty years. It's a budget for the next five weeks.
Speaker 7: It's an election budget, pure and simple and at a
Speaker 7: time when Australian's living standards have collapsed far further and
Speaker 7: faster than ever before, and our security environment is more
Speaker 7: dangerous than it's been since the Second World War. And
Speaker 7: that's according to the Prime Minister himself. This budget profoundly
Speaker 7: fails Australians to deliver more economic resilience and security and
Speaker 7: more national security. That's a real problem for Australia.
Speaker 1: We are going to spend this year, according to this budget,
Speaker 1: twenty eight billion, four hundred and twenty nine million dollars
Speaker 1: on paying off that one trillion dollar debt. That is
Speaker 1: more than the seventeen point nine billion dollars that is
Speaker 1: support for families, that is more than sixteen point nine
Speaker 1: billion for the job seeker payments. That is more than
Speaker 1: we pay in the childcare subsidy of sixteen billion dollars.
Speaker 1: Is this not a screaming admission of defeat that a
Speaker 1: government who had a couple of years of good luck
Speaker 1: decided to bake permanent spending in to the tune that
Speaker 1: we now have this absurd scenario where that much money
Speaker 1: is being paid off on debt that should be being
Speaker 1: spent because the money keeps coming in on providing services
Speaker 1: to the people who need.
Speaker 7: And there's no economic plan to deal with it.
Speaker 4: This is our concern.
Speaker 7: There is red ink as far as the eye can see.
Speaker 7: Two windfall surpluses that, let's face it, the Treasurer claimed
Speaker 7: were from good economic management, not high commodity prices and
Speaker 7: high taxes. And now the deficit seems to be somebody
Speaker 7: else's fault, that's caused by global factors and pressures on
Speaker 7: the budget that can't be helped by him. But in
Speaker 7: fact we've seen spending now at twenty seven percent of GDP.
Speaker 7: That's higher than it was at any time under the Coalition,
Speaker 7: higher than it was during the last year of COVID,
Speaker 7: which is quite extraordinary. Twenty seven percent of GDP. But
Speaker 7: spending is going up by three percent while economic growth
Speaker 7: is only going up by one point five. That's an
Speaker 7: unsustainable trajectory. No wonder, we've got deficit after deficit, and
Speaker 7: you're right, that's going to be passed on to the
Speaker 7: next generations.
Speaker 1: Last year in the budget, the total amount that was
Speaker 1: spent on welfare was thirty six percent. In this budget
Speaker 1: it's thirty seven percent. We have a scenario where there
Speaker 1: is three hundred and ten million dollars coming off every
Speaker 1: pay as you go tax payer right, and a proportion
Speaker 1: every year under this budget has gone more and more
Speaker 1: and more to welfare. Reality is, if you sit here
Speaker 1: to an it and say that's wrong, that should change,
Speaker 1: that should go backwards. They use that clip in an
Speaker 1: election campaign. But can we really afford for the size
Speaker 1: of the budget to increasingly be about welfare?
Speaker 7: Absolutely not. We need to make sure that we get
Speaker 7: our spending under control. And there are some parts of
Speaker 7: the budget where there's spending pressures are immense, there's no
Speaker 7: doubt about that. And I think of defense, I think
Speaker 7: of NDIS, I think of age care and health. But
Speaker 7: if that's the case, then surely we've got to look
Speaker 7: at where the spedding is wasteful and wind that back.
Speaker 7: I know that I've spoken to you in the past,
Speaker 7: Paul about the thirty six thousand additional public servants that
Speaker 7: have been appointed under this government. Well, tonight we found
Speaker 7: out that it's in fact forty one thousand new public
Speaker 7: servants that have been appointed under this government. So that's
Speaker 7: a greater than twenty percent increase since they came to government.
Speaker 7: It's forty new public servants every single day.
Speaker 8: And I'm not entirely.
Speaker 7: Sure that you'd find an Australian out there that feels
Speaker 7: that they are better served by this public service than
Speaker 7: any other, and certainly not twenty percent better served by
Speaker 7: the public service. In fact, the wait time to get
Speaker 7: an age pension has blown out to around seventy six
Speaker 7: days it was around thirty under the Coalition, takes five
Speaker 7: times longer to get a low income card than it
Speaker 7: used to. And if you the size of the Health Department,
Speaker 7: for instance, has increased by about forty percent, but bog
Speaker 7: billing has collapsed. The size of the Environment and Energy
Speaker 7: portfolio has increased almost doubled actually, but at the same
Speaker 7: time approval times have been pushed out. And guess what
Speaker 7: emissions are up. So you can see that services aren't
Speaker 7: necessarily better just because you've got a bigger public service.
Speaker 7: That's a real failing here.
Speaker 1: On Thursday night, do we see a speech from Peter
Speaker 1: Dutton that will look and sound like a budget, or
Speaker 1: like a campaign launch, or like a statement of values.
Speaker 1: Will we know something by this time on Thursday that
Speaker 1: we don't know now about what your plan is for
Speaker 1: the country.
Speaker 7: On Thursday night, you'll hear from Peter Dutton not just
Speaker 7: a statement of values, but a vision of where the
Speaker 7: Coalition want to see this country go. It's so important
Speaker 7: that we restore our lost economic prosperity, that standard of
Speaker 7: living that has disappeared under this Labor government gone backwards
Speaker 7: by eight percent. But most importantly, we have to bring
Speaker 7: down energy prices. We have to make sure that housing
Speaker 7: is affordable for Australians. We have to rain in that
Speaker 7: runaway migration program that's run out of control under Labor
Speaker 7: one point eight million arrivals over five years. That's entirely,
Speaker 7: entirely unsustainable. And we have to make sure that we
Speaker 7: deliver on our promise to keep Australians safe. So on
Speaker 7: Thursday night you'll hear from Peter Dutton, not just about today,
Speaker 7: not just about the next five weeks, not even just
Speaker 7: about the next five years, but about the next fifty years,
Speaker 7: because that's what Australians want to see. They want to
Speaker 7: see a strong leader that's going to deliver them the
Speaker 7: prosperity and the security that they expect and deserve.
Speaker 1: Good on you, Jane, thank you for staying up super
Speaker 1: late for us. I really do appreciate it. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to you again very soon. Also staying up late for
Speaker 1: usuce evening is the man who has brought the trumpet
Speaker 1: patriots to the Australian political sphere, none other than the
Speaker 1: Great Clyde Palmer. Lovely to see your mate, Canberra. What
Speaker 1: a fun timing year this is as they pit land
Speaker 1: money up against the wall.
Speaker 9: Well, you're right, Paula, we should talk about solutions. I
Speaker 9: think we've got solutions for the problems he mentioned, especially
Speaker 9: the trillion dollars of debt. We can deal with that
Speaker 9: very effectively. You know, China has become a major manufacturing superpower,
Speaker 9: conquering export markets in Europe and the United States everywhere
Speaker 9: else on the back of Australian iron ore. Ninety percent
Speaker 9: of exports of imports of a China's ironore comes from
Speaker 9: the Pilbra. All we need to do is put a
Speaker 9: fifteen percent license fee on that and that money can
Speaker 9: pay off the debt for us. Much rather have them
Speaker 9: do it than have the taxpayers do it, So that's
Speaker 9: an easy, easy fix. We did it in the nineteen
Speaker 9: sixties we had a license fee on our iron ore.
Speaker 9: We can do it again. Why shouldn't we participately participate
Speaker 9: in the supply chain.
Speaker 4: So why shouldn't we do that?
Speaker 9: Every other country in the world's done, And if you
Speaker 9: go to Saudi Arabia, Cuta and every other predominant country
Speaker 9: which is virtually got a monopoly in minerals, takes that
Speaker 9: advantage for their people, but our politicians are too weak
Speaker 9: to do it. That solves a debt crisis for you
Speaker 9: in one slice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there wouldn't be a barbecue. That doesn't get everyone's
Speaker 1: head nodding when we say, geez, we all pay too
Speaker 1: much tax. This income tax again from those that are
Speaker 1: the pay as you go this year three hundred and
Speaker 1: ten billion, next year three hundred and twenty seven bidion,
Speaker 1: the next year three hundred and forty six billion, the
Speaker 1: year after that three hundred and sixty eight billion dollars. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: tax cuts here in major How do we change this
Speaker 1: system where the single greatest source of revenue for the
Speaker 1: federal government is that the man, woman and child that
Speaker 1: is out and about doing their bit for forty hours
Speaker 1: a week. Well, it shouldn't be.
Speaker 9: It should be said fairly across the community, across corporate taxation,
Speaker 9: and multinationals dealing in our country should pay a fair tax.
Speaker 9: Fair part of the burden.
Speaker 4: So it'sok, just a question of.
Speaker 9: Us being realistically restoring what the tax should be in
Speaker 9: this country. But we, if we are smart, use our
Speaker 9: assets correctly. We don't need as much tax. We don't
Speaker 9: need to expand the budget the way we have. We
Speaker 9: don't need as many public servants. As Jane said, I mean,
Speaker 9: there wouldn't be one public servant in Australia that knows
Speaker 9: his life couldn't be more productive, he couldn't be doing
Speaker 9: he wouldn't be better appreciated. If we reformed the public service.
Speaker 9: We certainly need to do that. If you look well
Speaker 9: Elon Musks done in the United States. He's found five
Speaker 9: trillion dollars of the US budget. He wants to return
Speaker 9: eight thousand dollars to each American citizen because they have
Speaker 9: been getting ripped off for years and years by the bureaucracy.
Speaker 9: You know, we've got five trillion dollars worth a Super.
Speaker 9: But you see Kevin Rudd and the Prime Minister going
Speaker 9: to Washington and say, oh, invest in the United States,
Speaker 9: and yet the Australian government gives people that concession tax
Speaker 9: to put their money into Super. You think what would
Speaker 9: go with that would some of that should be invested
Speaker 9: in Australia to develop our resources rather than have our
Speaker 9: capital coming from the United States and from China when
Speaker 9: we're the second biggest super trench in the world. I
Speaker 9: mean that will create jobs, industry, growth and exports. And
Speaker 9: instead of exporting say I and or at a one
Speaker 9: hundred dollars a ton, you can export steeler two thousand
Speaker 9: dollars a ton. That'll fix our balance of payments. I mean,
Speaker 9: none of these people have got any experience in business,
Speaker 9: international and international trade. I mean, I've got twenty three
Speaker 9: billion dollars in assets. That's my life's work. I don't
Speaker 9: think Elbow's got that. We've got over three billion dollars
Speaker 9: of exports every year we've made that happen. There's nobody
Speaker 9: in Treasury that's done that. It's not these sort of
Speaker 9: public service policies. Ninety nine percent of liberal and labor
Speaker 9: policies are the same. Why because they come from the
Speaker 9: one source debureaucracy. They don't come from individuals. We haven't
Speaker 9: got our best people making our policies, and our people
Speaker 9: deserve that. We've got three point seven million households in
Speaker 9: Australia that go to bed Hungary. We can solve the
Speaker 9: housing crisis by having a fast train one hundred and
Speaker 9: twenty kilometers outside of Sydney or the capital cities like
Speaker 9: they do in Tokyo and Yokohama, and develop some of
Speaker 9: our cheaper land and be twenty minute coqit to the city.
Speaker 9: We can have the deposit for our homes from our
Speaker 9: super and we can cap interest rates at three percent
Speaker 9: like they do for Fanny mac and May in the
Speaker 9: United States. The government can use that strength to help
Speaker 9: its people. Australian should come first, not the government.
Speaker 1: Well, and I've got this. I heard you give a speech,
Speaker 1: and I've heard you give interviews, and I love that.
Speaker 1: One of the things you relentlessly bring up is the
Speaker 1: number of people that are going hungry. As you know
Speaker 1: that number three point seven million people food banks the source, right,
Speaker 1: not some farholds. Yeah, there's a household. So it gets
Speaker 1: me more. It's more than people, isn't it. Yeah, it's this,
Speaker 1: the number of households that don't know where their food
Speaker 1: comes from. This week, you're the only person with access
Speaker 1: to a microphone and a camera who brings this up.
Speaker 1: Tonight was an opportunity for the federal government to say
Speaker 1: this is not on we will change it. But it's
Speaker 1: you and I talking way after the rest of them
Speaker 1: are off. You know descinct tins at the pub.
Speaker 9: Well, it's two hundred million dollars to fix the problem
Speaker 9: to feed hungry Australians. Yet the Australian government Albanezi gives
Speaker 9: one million dollars a year the food bank and those
Speaker 9: people work hard with getting food out to hungry Australians.
Speaker 4: We don't want.
Speaker 9: Labor liberal Greens, whoever they are, as Australians, we don't
Speaker 9: want them and their children not being able to eat. Now, country,
Speaker 9: how bad's politics got in this country. We can't protect
Speaker 9: our own citizens and feed the people that live here.
Speaker 9: It's a disgrace. And why does it happening in course
Speaker 9: of higher interest rates? And that's why it's happening. But
Speaker 9: we said before the last election what was going to happen,
Speaker 9: and it's happened. But now we've got to have compassion
Speaker 9: for the people. And you imagine your children poor going
Speaker 9: to bed hungry at night. And of course a lot
Speaker 9: of the children, not the parents, are the ones that
Speaker 9: are giving up their food for the children having one
Speaker 9: meal a day, they're struggling to keep their houses. We've
Speaker 9: got increased immigration that's coming in the banks are taking
Speaker 9: people's houses, and we've got one hundred and twenty thousand
Speaker 9: homeless Austrayians in this country. And all we need to
Speaker 9: do is use our resources correctly and turn it around.
Speaker 9: It's our party that is the alternative government that's got
Speaker 9: the alternative policies. It's not the Liberal and Labor uniparty,
Speaker 9: which get the same policy ideas from the same bureaucrats
Speaker 9: every year. The budget has the same headings every year.
Speaker 9: It's just up and changed and manipulated. We need massive
Speaker 9: changes across the board and we need I have it.
Speaker 9: I've laid that out in the press club pretty clearly
Speaker 9: what needs to be done. And I've got no personal
Speaker 9: interest in this. I'm seventy one years old.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 9: I've had a successful business life. But I can help
Speaker 9: this country and I want to see us prosper I'm
Speaker 9: an Australian, I'm living here, my children are living here.
Speaker 9: I want a better country.
Speaker 1: Last question, let me get in before inevitably everyone on
Speaker 1: breakfast television does it, and that's what becomes the news today.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about five dollars that will come
Speaker 1: your way because every taxpayer is going to get it.
Speaker 1: How do you feel? And what's your message to the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister and treasurer about five bucks? What will you
Speaker 1: be doing with your extra five dollars a week?
Speaker 9: I just say he's a scrooge, you know, five dollars
Speaker 9: to solve Australia's problems. Every citizen's of bloody insult. He
Speaker 9: should stick it up his kaima. That's what I say
Speaker 9: with his five dollars. What a ridiculous situation to say,
Speaker 9: here's five dollars. Your power bills going up one thousand dollars,
Speaker 9: you're losing your home, but.
Speaker 1: Here's five dollars.
Speaker 4: Everything will be right right.
Speaker 9: Vote for the Labor Party, vote for the Liberal Party,
Speaker 9: it doesn't matter. They're all the same everything that Labour said,
Speaker 9: they'll do what this Peter Dutton said, will match it.
Speaker 9: That means he thinks it's a good idea. He should
Speaker 9: be saying that's a crazy idea. We're not going to
Speaker 9: match it. We've got a better idea. He doesn't say that,
Speaker 9: He just says, will match it, will match it. I
Speaker 9: don't want a labor government. I don't want a liberal government.
Speaker 9: I want an Australian government fighting for the people.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: And the trumpet Patriots is the party that you will
Speaker 1: have on the battlefield in one hundred and fifty seats
Speaker 1: and all the Senates and all the rest of it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Clive, do appreciate it. We'll talk again soon, mate,
Speaker 1: Clip Palmer there in Canberra, and I agree with him
Speaker 1: about the insult again how much money people are in
Speaker 1: the bob But here's five dollars from the bloke who's
Speaker 1: had three pay rises in the past three years over
Speaker 1: the electoral cycle. Unbelievable. All right, Holly Hughes, Joe Hildebrand,
Speaker 1: let's get into it. We've got an extended edition of
Speaker 1: the program going all the way to We'll liven Toquock
Speaker 1: austraight in eastern daylight time. Then the late debate will
Speaker 1: pour through the papers. And will they focus on five
Speaker 1: dollars or one tribune dollars? Debt warnes I's been locked
Speaker 1: up not for his sins or anything that he's thought
Speaker 1: to the middle of the night, but because he's been
Speaker 1: studying the budget. And a man who looks like he's
Speaker 1: got a pep in his step, like Labor's just one
Speaker 1: at all. Informaticasy advisor and dear friend other than Joe
Speaker 1: Hildebrand Holly Hughes, the old sparring partner in camera. Thanks
Speaker 1: for being there, made of course a little baby. But
Speaker 1: remember she can say whatever she wants because they can't
Speaker 1: touch her now, all right, so free Joe. Yes, the
Speaker 1: question I have been asking over and over tonight is
Speaker 1: what number of people remember out of this budget five
Speaker 1: bucks a week in a year's time or a trillion
Speaker 1: dollars debt this year?
Speaker 10: I think if labor has its way, people I think
Speaker 10: trillion dollars in debt. People just can't get their head
Speaker 10: around that. People, you know, economists might hold their head
Speaker 10: in their hands. Commentators might write columns in newspapers like
Speaker 10: me and mine but and say this is terrible, this
Speaker 10: is structurally you know, unsustainable, whatever.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 10: People just look at it, and they look at the
Speaker 10: little explain and they think, what's my income?
Speaker 3: What's in it for me? They won't see.
Speaker 10: I think they will hear the five bucks obviously if
Speaker 10: they're watching the show, but they'll also hear fifty bucks
Speaker 10: a week, which is going to be the total of
Speaker 10: the labor tax cut. Offering by twenty twenty seven. And
Speaker 10: again I think people, you know, people want to Obviously,
Speaker 10: this is a budget frame very much around telling people,
Speaker 10: don't think about where you are now, think about where
Speaker 10: you're going to be in the future.
Speaker 3: And I think people look at that.
Speaker 10: I think people are probably naturally optimistic or at least
Speaker 10: want a reason to be hopeful, and they will look
Speaker 10: at the budget's little corcoat. I think, oh, I could
Speaker 10: be about you know, three grand a year better off.
Speaker 10: Interest rates are on the way down. I've got to say,
Speaker 10: I think it's a pretty good budget.
Speaker 1: It's not okay, So all of that messaging about turn
Speaker 1: the turn the corner, that's that's the central thing that
Speaker 1: you think people are buying into Holly. Again, people have
Speaker 1: made very clear points about that triggering dollars. So the
Speaker 1: slightly different version for you is five dollars change the conversation.
Speaker 1: I mean they're going to say, oh, but you've got
Speaker 1: to put it together with the other one. Well, if
Speaker 1: that's the case, remember when they took fifteen hundred dollars
Speaker 1: of ten million workers. All right, because we can subtract
Speaker 1: fifty from fifteen hundred. If we're going to play that game,
Speaker 1: but obviously you know it's a sort of lone voice
Speaker 1: in the wilderness that's been talking about that one for
Speaker 1: the past three years. Holly thoughts on the budget that
Speaker 1: you've been well and honestly, I think it should be
Speaker 1: one of the things I announced on Thursday that you're
Speaker 1: bringing it back.
Speaker 8: Absolutely yeah, anyway, so I will be with you on.
Speaker 11: Thursday learning what's there. So I think this is an
Speaker 11: incredibly disappointing budget. This is a budget for an election.
Speaker 11: This isn't a budget for Australia's future. I think Joe's
Speaker 11: drinking the kool aid just a little bit too much tonight.
Speaker 11: But you know what, you won't hear a lot about
Speaker 11: and I hope there are some journals that have the
Speaker 11: intellectual fortitude to look a little bit deeper than these
Speaker 11: headlines that you're going to see from Chalmers in the
Speaker 11: Spin team.
Speaker 8: But we've been having a quick look.
Speaker 11: Through Budget paper number two, which is probably the thinnest
Speaker 11: budget paper t who I've ever seen, and it's when
Speaker 11: you start looking at other things that are going to
Speaker 11: impact people's lives. We've seen correspondence tonight from Suicide Prevention Australia.
Speaker 11: There is zero money in this budget for suicide prevention,
Speaker 11: they have completely vacated the field, even though after moving
Speaker 11: it into the Health Department said that they would properly
Speaker 11: fund it. So there's one organization and one sector of
Speaker 11: our economy who's being completely ignored at a time when
Speaker 11: mental health and these sorts.
Speaker 8: Of pressures are rising.
Speaker 11: The ndis what they've put more money in for. And
Speaker 11: I noticed Chris Kenny made some comments earlier tonight, and
Speaker 11: I'm going to tell you his spot on and at
Speaker 11: some point I'd love to have a longer conversation with
Speaker 11: you about it and it's sustainability. But the only money
Speaker 11: they've put in tonight is for more lawyers, for more
Speaker 11: legal fees. And what that tells me is they're not
Speaker 11: going to do anything about the sustainability of it. They're
Speaker 11: not going to do anything about tidying up scheme and
Speaker 11: making it fit for purpose for people they need.
Speaker 8: They are just going to make.
Speaker 11: It more difficult for participants in they're found is who
Speaker 11: genuinely need the support by hiring top tier law firms
Speaker 11: to fight them every way to the tribunal until they
Speaker 11: just give them what they wanted in the first place.
Speaker 11: On the steps which is exactly what's happening now, so
Speaker 11: we need to look a lot deeper.
Speaker 8: Unfortunately, I don't think many in.
Speaker 11: The press gallery are probably going to have the capability
Speaker 11: of doing so.
Speaker 8: And if you listen to Joe and certainly a.
Speaker 11: Lot of his colleagues, it's a cheer squad that this
Speaker 11: is an election winning budget and I just think it's pathetic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well again, I just think the five dollars goes
Speaker 1: away in vapors. I think that's where many of the
Speaker 1: front pages are going to be. And then of course
Speaker 1: it's about Dutton on Thursday, and Philip Kurry's writing in
Speaker 1: this in the Australian Financial Review tonight that election could
Speaker 1: be called as early as Friday, meaning that whatever the
Speaker 1: noise of the budget, it melts away pretty quickly. Now
Speaker 1: I know you're not the government, right I remember this
Speaker 1: feeling when it was me sort of trying to benefit
Speaker 1: that out Morris and all the rest of it.
Speaker 3: Right, So if I was the government, everything would be fine.
Speaker 3: Everyone would be happy.
Speaker 1: Me too, all right, So how do we morally is
Speaker 1: a country justify that payments for Commonwealth debt management next year?
Speaker 1: Sorry to do the glasses thing, but it's terrible twenty
Speaker 1: eight point four billion dollars. However, support for families is
Speaker 1: just seventeen billion, job seekers just sixteen billion, childcare subsidy
Speaker 1: just sixteen billion. Financial support for care is just twelve billion.
Speaker 1: That's a screwed up budget when you are spending multiples
Speaker 1: of the money you spend on a care, on family, support,
Speaker 1: on job seeker to pay off debt.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, obviously that's terrible. As you know, it is
Speaker 10: more complicated than that. They have saved abount sixty billion
Speaker 10: dollars in the amount of interest they are paying on debt.
Speaker 1: And then again, one of the.
Speaker 10: One of the reasons you end up running higher debts
Speaker 10: and not getting back to service as much as everyone
Speaker 10: would like to is because you are recognizing that you
Speaker 10: have to pay for those other things. So that is
Speaker 10: why the debt exists. So it's not comparing apples with apples.
Speaker 10: Quite frankly said that is that is an amount of
Speaker 10: money you pay not at the expense of those other things,
Speaker 10: but so that you can pay for those other things.
Speaker 1: Aren't where I could double, I could double the doll
Speaker 1: I could double carers pinsion, Yes, but.
Speaker 10: That meant that everyone on cares pensions. Everyone on the
Speaker 10: doll would have nothing until you got back into surplus.
Speaker 10: And most people who are as I you say, are
Speaker 10: as you say, leaving a hand to mouth existence, even
Speaker 10: people with families with two jobs of struggling to put
Speaker 10: food on the table. You can't just say, just wait
Speaker 10: a decade, we're not going to give you anything.
Speaker 3: We're not going to give you in my.
Speaker 1: World, you get the load of middle income tax, which
Speaker 1: is an extra fifteen hundred bucks but anyway.
Speaker 10: Which is half of what people will be getting in
Speaker 10: tax cuts in a couple of years time.
Speaker 1: But again, you're talking about a couple of years time. July.
Speaker 8: You're talking about ten years.
Speaker 1: Like July one on.
Speaker 11: July one, next year, bucks on July one, next year
Speaker 11: one in fairy floss, and you're in a corn slab.
Speaker 10: There's already been forty bucks on July on.
Speaker 1: Hang on, but again, we can't be sliding this up
Speaker 1: and sliding this down, right, like you know the far
Speaker 1: right wing think tank H and R Block. All right,
Speaker 1: when double checked them before about what the breakdown was
Speaker 1: of the Reji stage three forty thousand dollars is twelve
Speaker 1: bucks a week, all right, So now it's seventeen, not
Speaker 1: fifty seventeen. So so this is this I think is
Speaker 1: part of the danger that for want of a better term,
Speaker 1: low information. I busy people. They're just going to hear
Speaker 1: the five and the ten and the fifty all of that, right,
Speaker 1: But the actual number.
Speaker 10: For someone on forty thousand dollars, yes, because they don't
Speaker 10: pay any tax for the first eighteen thousand dollars that
Speaker 10: they soon need the.
Speaker 1: Money amount of tax to pay off everything that's more expensive.
Speaker 10: And the other one that is where the tax cuts
Speaker 10: have been targeting. It is in that eighteen to five
Speaker 10: seventeen dollars.
Speaker 11: I put it at the lowest tax right, that's right,
Speaker 11: gets you're high. But if even guess but even if
Speaker 11: you're the highest tax break, you still get it.
Speaker 3: But that's how our tax works.
Speaker 11: Time fifty Yes, I am very well aware, so have
Speaker 11: the brain.
Speaker 8: Then let me get a word in Joe.
Speaker 11: Fifty thousand dollars is what the average Australian has had
Speaker 11: to find since this government has come into power. Be
Speaker 11: at extra mortgage bills, cost of electricity, cost of groceries.
Speaker 11: Five bucks a week from the first of July next
Speaker 11: year is not going to touch the sites.
Speaker 8: It is an insult. It is an insult to the intelligence.
Speaker 11: Of every Australian if we think that they are going
Speaker 11: to be somehow conned that a five dollars tax break
Speaker 11: in you know what is at fourteen and fifteen months time,
Speaker 11: is somehow going to improve their standard of living that
Speaker 11: has fallen faster and further than at any other time
Speaker 11: in history since Albanese has been elected. You guys are
Speaker 11: kidding yourself. Put the kool aid down and starts. Don't
Speaker 11: talk to real people.
Speaker 1: All right, We're going to take a break out in
Speaker 1: a moment or two times. But before we get there,
Speaker 1: can we have a look at some of the reaction
Speaker 1: that is coming out of Canberra now. In the camp
Speaker 1: of press gallery there's all the different media organizations and
Speaker 1: in the hallways there's an opportunity for the different lobby groups,
Speaker 1: advocacy groups to step forward and give their hot take.
Speaker 1: After having a look at the budget.
Speaker 6: He's just some doesn't do anything to boost productivity, to
Speaker 6: boost investment and to drive growth.
Speaker 1: It's very much a pre election budget with a sugar
Speaker 1: hit driven by some further personal income tax cuts. This
Speaker 1: budget is far more uitable for what it doesn't contain
Speaker 1: than what it does. For the fourth time in a row,
Speaker 1: the Albanesi government lied.
Speaker 8: To us when they promised to leave no one behind.
Speaker 1: There are more mixed reactions. We'll get to those in
Speaker 1: a moment. Quick break back with more plenty to talk
Speaker 1: about here on Pumari Live. This year, Australia's one trillion
Speaker 1: dollars into debt. Pretty big number. Break it down by
Speaker 1: people that are eighteen and under. That's one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars for every future voting Australia. Well,
Speaker 1: I want to see here in conversation. Jeez, it's good
Speaker 1: to have them back. I don't know why this is
Speaker 1: not happened sooner. Lovely Jehuldbrand, wonderful, Holly Hughes, Thank you guys.
Speaker 1: Do appreciate it being around talking everything to do with
Speaker 1: the budget. Let's let's talk about something that was said
Speaker 1: multiple times by Jim Chalmers, the word global. I think
Speaker 1: it was nine times in the first couple of minutes,
Speaker 1: and I think it was not particularly subtle. Whom he
Speaker 1: may will be making a reference to. I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, again, all the Labor Party people, if they win,
Speaker 1: they'll say forty e chs. We always planned it, Okay.
Speaker 1: The reality is that when they say this.
Speaker 5: Global global, global, global, global global and global global globe
Speaker 5: globalization global.
Speaker 1: They mean Donald Trump. All right. They're not talking about China.
Speaker 1: They're talking about Trump. And I think that not so subtly,
Speaker 1: not so secretly, their hope is that Donald Trump changes
Speaker 1: the political fortunes in the way that he has for
Speaker 1: other center parties around the world, and specifically, April second
Speaker 1: is the announcement from the Trump administration about the next
Speaker 1: round of tariffs. Now there is some suggestion tonight he's
Speaker 1: talking about some exemption, so maybe austraight A is able
Speaker 1: to get that special relationship and it doesn't apply. They're
Speaker 1: more focused in and around on China. But if an
Speaker 1: election was to be called Friday, or was Saturday, Monday
Speaker 1: or Monday, well that falling in a campaign would be
Speaker 1: manner from heaven for the Prime Minister. Joe again, I'm
Speaker 1: preparing for the MAGA hate right, but I've got the
Speaker 1: red hat a. Listen to Steve Bannon. I'm all Trump right,
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to lie that I don't see
Speaker 1: what the consequences are. And any leader that stands up
Speaker 1: to a president who's putting attacks on your exports is
Speaker 1: going to do well in an election.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think you absolutely bang on. I'm not of
Speaker 10: that hysterical orange man bad camp. I think Donald Trump
Speaker 10: is what you get if you have someone as absolutely
Speaker 10: hopelessly incompetent as the American Democrats are and have been
Speaker 10: for a very long time. And I'm more obsessed with
Speaker 10: work identity politics than the interest of working people. So
Speaker 10: Donald Trump, quite frankly, is what the Democrats deserve to get,
Speaker 10: and they need to take a long, hard look at themselves.
Speaker 10: Having said that, he's not the messiah and the idea. Firstly,
Speaker 10: he's unashamedly not the messiah. He wasn't elected to make
Speaker 10: Australia grade again. He was elected to make America great again.
Speaker 10: He stands for America first. He stands for America exceptionalism.
Speaker 10: And it is very very clear that even as long
Speaker 10: standing and loyal a friend as Australia, of whom the
Speaker 10: United States has not one more loyal friend. I mean,
Speaker 10: we have done things for them that France hasn't done,
Speaker 10: that the UK hasn't done it.
Speaker 1: Literally put undred million bucks in their pocket.
Speaker 10: Put eight hundred million bucks in their pocket for subs
Speaker 10: we may never see and he's just gone, I don't care,
Speaker 10: screw you.
Speaker 3: And that's why. And that's why the.
Speaker 10: Taroft thing in terms of sheer volume, sheared amount of
Speaker 10: money that the steel tariffs, for example, is not a
Speaker 10: huge amo.
Speaker 1: Breakfast TV being filled with Donald Trump versus Australia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 10: And I think this is where if you sort of
Speaker 10: get on board the Trump train and don't when to
Speaker 10: get off, it can be damaging. And I think that
Speaker 10: is one of the reasons why Labour's stocks have risen recently.
Speaker 10: Why I think a lot of people in the party
Speaker 10: are feeling a lot more bullish, and I think Peter Dutton.
Speaker 3: And again I've never been.
Speaker 10: A fan of the sort of campaign to demonize Dutton
Speaker 10: because I know that he's a genuinely nice guy and
Speaker 10: I've met him many times. But Peter Dutton is clearly
Speaker 10: struggling now to carve out exactly what he stands for.
Speaker 10: He has people on the right jumping up and down
Speaker 10: and say you've got to be more like Trump.
Speaker 1: This is why Trump's the perfect witch.
Speaker 10: That's right, And I hate it on the left saying
Speaker 10: I vote Librol, but I don't want to see Trump
Speaker 10: isn't here in Australia and coming out.
Speaker 3: In the FOLKUS group. So EDI is an issue you're.
Speaker 1: On, especially in a place like potentially Victoria, where there
Speaker 1: is this opportunity of a whole collection of people who
Speaker 1: may vote Liberal for the first time. Holly, how does
Speaker 1: your party traverse the next couple of weeks in relation
Speaker 1: to the Trump of it all? Now? I don't want
Speaker 1: to see how a bunch of Liberals coming out and
Speaker 1: saying I hate Donald Trump. But I do want to
Speaker 1: see a bunch of people coming out and saying sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm standing up for Australia, because that's going to be
Speaker 1: the game the government's going to play. And the way
Speaker 1: the news cycle work, of course, is Trump says something
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, breakfast news is all
Speaker 1: covering it, and then the reaction to the breakfast news
Speaker 1: becomes the six pm news.
Speaker 11: Well, I think the reality though, when you look at Trump,
Speaker 11: it was make America great again. It wasn't let's make
Speaker 11: everyone in the world fantastic. It was make America great again.
Speaker 11: And I think that's why a lot of Americans did
Speaker 11: flock to support Trump. What we haven't seen from Alberanzi
Speaker 11: at all is anything about making Australia great again. In fact,
Speaker 11: he goes out of his way to downplay Australia to Cawtao,
Speaker 11: to China. You know, it wasn't that long ago we
Speaker 11: had a Chinese warship and god knows what else circumnavigating
Speaker 11: our country and it was a virgin pilot that had
Speaker 11: to let us know. Anyone in this country would be
Speaker 11: proud of Australia if we could see our leaders standing
Speaker 11: up for Australia. Instead, we have pressed demonizing ADF personnel.
Speaker 11: There seems to be this like a lack of pride
Speaker 11: in our country. The Pes referendum did nothing but further
Speaker 11: divide this nation.
Speaker 8: I don't think it's about Trump. I think if you want.
Speaker 11: To see some of the success, you need to show
Speaker 11: Australians you are standing up for Australians, for our economy.
Speaker 11: You're not just prepared to ship our coal to India
Speaker 11: and China, but you're prepared to secure our energy supply
Speaker 11: in Australia.
Speaker 8: You want to make sure that national security is there
Speaker 8: for Australians.
Speaker 11: And I think this is where everyone with their Trump
Speaker 11: arrangement syndrome gets carried away. It's not about Trump, It's
Speaker 11: about showing leadership in this country. And I think if
Speaker 11: you looked at Peter Dutton and you looked at Anthony
Speaker 11: Albanezy and said, you know, which one do I want
Speaker 11: DJing with a beer at my barbecue and which one
Speaker 11: do I want running the National Security and Home Affairs?
Speaker 11: I can tell you which one Australians is going to
Speaker 11: say in both cases, and they'd be right, because Peter
Speaker 11: Dutton will keep this country safe. You will put Australia's
Speaker 11: interests first and won't be so caught up with being
Speaker 11: China's handsome boy and whatever else Albanezy is sucking up
Speaker 11: to just so that everyone still likes him.
Speaker 1: Now, I want to get a little again, some more
Speaker 1: reaction from people in camberri A, get a little more
Speaker 1: mixed here about what they thought of Budget twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five twenty six, our fifteenth year on Pulmurray Love.
Speaker 12: The Government has made some bad choices in this budget.
Speaker 12: We've prioritized tax cuts for the wealthy ahead of actually
Speaker 12: raising the rate of job seeker.
Speaker 1: We saw two point six billion dollars invested in wage
Speaker 1: increases for our incredibly hard working hkre nurses and that's fantastic.
Speaker 13: If the government really wants to see eighty percent of
Speaker 13: Australians have a tertiary qualification by twenty fifty, they need
Speaker 13: to be thinking about the students who are currently having
Speaker 13: to think about their grumbling stomachs over their studies.
Speaker 1: I do like when the National Union students stands up
Speaker 1: on budget not I like them, and I liked the
Speaker 1: doing it on the iPhone, trying to do it and
Speaker 1: get half their hex stet white more plas more. I
Speaker 1: was going to say, this might the.
Speaker 3: Fact they're more likely to go into higher.
Speaker 8: Paying if paid mine. Now I'm going to pay that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, A good line, good line. All right. I've got
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes left and I want to ask
Speaker 1: you about this, this weird moment that we're in right now.
Speaker 1: When we see mister Menique Ryan Yanking signs down, when
Speaker 1: we see sort of the fever pitch that feels like
Speaker 1: the last week ind of an election campaign, not maybe
Speaker 1: a week before it gets called. This period of time,
Speaker 1: there are multiple resets that happened. But one thing that
Speaker 1: everyone needs to understand is whenever the election is called,
Speaker 1: half of everyone's going to vote early. Okay, So the
Speaker 1: actual election campaign really needs to be not sort of
Speaker 1: moving up to that one weekend before the election. It
Speaker 1: kind of has to be front loaded with information. But Holly,
Speaker 1: your sense about the country right now in terms of
Speaker 1: just that feeling in the air right where those of
Speaker 1: us that are those of us that are hyper interested
Speaker 1: in politics are hyper interested in the timing. But I'd
Speaker 1: also imagine there's a certain percentage of Australians that are like,
Speaker 1: can you all come down please? It hasn't even started yet.
Speaker 11: So last weekend, the weekend before, I don't know whenever,
Speaker 11: the F one was in Melbourne. Ye, my daughter's a
Speaker 11: huge F one fan, so I took her down there.
Speaker 8: It's got me out of throwing an eighteenth birthday party.
Speaker 8: But we went all around.
Speaker 11: But my husband and I were walking with her through
Speaker 11: the airport to the plane and we literally heard two
Speaker 11: guys who worked for an airline, a big airline, walking
Speaker 11: down the terminal going, oh, there must be some kind
Speaker 11: of election coming up.
Speaker 8: So like, there are a lot of Australians out there.
Speaker 11: Who I mean, We're sitting up nearly eleven o'clock at night,
Speaker 11: still discussing the budget on the budget night. I'm here
Speaker 11: for budget estimates on Friday. Even if he calls it
Speaker 11: Friday morning, we leave it. You know, we talk about
Speaker 11: it all day every day. There's a lot of Australians
Speaker 11: who don't even know there's an election on.
Speaker 8: But there's a lot of Australians.
Speaker 11: Who were kind of thinking there might have be anyone
Speaker 11: in December, and then the election campaign really kicked off
Speaker 11: on January first, and we've been in it since then,
Speaker 11: and it's I think there's for the people that live
Speaker 11: it and really are in it, there's almost election fatigue already.
Speaker 11: But there's a whole sway of Australians out there who
Speaker 11: are just trying to keep their head above water, but
Speaker 11: quite frankly, probably don't even know what's really going on,
Speaker 11: and in fact aren't probably sure there was a budget tonight.
Speaker 11: So you know, there's a whole lot of straders who
Speaker 11: don't even read the papers anymore, that don't watch the
Speaker 11: news anymore. They get their news off social media and TikTok.
Speaker 11: So God to help us all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, Joe, you know my superpower
Speaker 1: of ADHD. On nights like this, I've literally got the
Speaker 1: three TVs I've got a radio, you know, like I'm
Speaker 1: doing all of it at once, right, so you're trying
Speaker 1: to sort of see, you know, which way right is
Speaker 1: the world going. And Okay, there's certain people that are
Speaker 1: going to be into all of that, and it's not
Speaker 1: irrelevant in the process because the people watching and reading
Speaker 1: and listening are the ones they're going to be leading
Speaker 1: family conversations about budgets, about politics, all of it, and
Speaker 1: the next of the while. But also I think that
Speaker 1: I was listening to some people around the place and
Speaker 1: it's basically like, that's it. The election has been decided.
Speaker 1: Of the elections over your Labour's wont it. No, No,
Speaker 1: they haven't the idea that any one night, unless obvious
Speaker 1: a catastrophe. Again, if you're somebody who thinks Labour's just
Speaker 1: spiked it and they're over the trial line or they've
Speaker 1: kicked this whatever, six different sporting metaphors in one, you're wrong.
Speaker 1: If if somebody thinks the Libs are completely gone, they
Speaker 1: will nature settle down again, you're wrong. Is this fair?
Speaker 1: Just to offer a little bit of caution to those
Speaker 1: that might be overly emotional, excited or downstruck.
Speaker 10: It is very important to remember forever in a day
Speaker 10: that this is Australia and we have compulsory voting, and
Speaker 10: that means that elections are won and lost by the
Speaker 10: most apathetic voters in the middle, which I think is
Speaker 10: actually an incredibly ameliorating safety net. But lot means we
Speaker 10: don't swing to the wild extremes where you've got to
Speaker 10: get out of the vote. That means that Trump is
Speaker 10: doesn't work here because Trump can upset more people than
Speaker 10: he appeals to in America, but half of the people
Speaker 10: he upsets don't be bothered going out to vote at all,
Speaker 10: and everyone he appeals to comes out to vote. That
Speaker 10: just doesn't work here, and so so I think you
Speaker 10: are absolutely correct. I think that this is why ideologue's
Speaker 10: on the left and people who you know are obsessed
Speaker 10: with sort of culture war issues on the right do
Speaker 10: not have the read of the electorate. And that's why
Speaker 10: you can look at Twitter and the sort of stuff
Speaker 10: they're banging on about even to this day is completely
Speaker 10: divorced to what you will hear anyone talking about in
Speaker 10: the supermarket checkout and over the kitchen tape week. And
Speaker 10: I think you're right about you know, pre pole voting.
Speaker 10: I think that always, that always favors I think two
Speaker 10: parties in a different scenario. One is the incumbent government
Speaker 10: because people think, oh, yeah, it's all right, I'm not
Speaker 10: going to bother waiting through the whole thing.
Speaker 3: I'm going on holiday. He is you know, they can
Speaker 3: have it again.
Speaker 10: If you are just waiting for the brick bats and
Speaker 10: there is nothing you could do to change my mind,
Speaker 10: I'm going to kill you.
Speaker 3: And when you have a really narrow, tightly held race.
Speaker 10: Like this one coming up, I think that will therefore
Speaker 10: favor the incumbany a bit.
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