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Speaker 4: By the way, friend, Yes, does that mean that like
Speaker 4: like the green circle?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we can talk about anything on this poet.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter and we can't be canceled for anything
Speaker 1: that we say.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you might say that, but is it true.
Speaker 4: Honestly, so far we have been canceled.
Speaker 2: We're over you in so I think you can't cancel
Speaker 2: the uncancellable.
Speaker 4: That's my goal in life, to be uncounceled, cancellable, not unconcelable,
Speaker 4: to be uncancelled counselable. And I think about I don't
Speaker 4: know why this is the person that comes to mind,
Speaker 4: but Ricky Gervais is someone who is uncancellable, even if
Speaker 4: he does or doesn't deserve to be canceled. But like
Speaker 4: there's those people who at a certain level of economic stability,
Speaker 4: and I think that's where it comes in, where like
Speaker 4: you can just say whatever you want and not behold
Speaker 4: be beholden to like or human rights or anything. And
Speaker 4: I do want to be behold in the human rights,
Speaker 4: but I'd love to be above like I think i'd
Speaker 4: like to be independently wealthy. I think that's what I'm
Speaker 4: trying to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't we all girl? I think well, today will
Speaker 2: be a good soundboard, good platform for you to test
Speaker 2: the uncancellable waters because I feel like there's any reddict cancer. Look.
Speaker 2: I used to be a big fan of Brenda Call
Speaker 2: Me and I, which for everyone listening was Courtney's podcast
Speaker 2: that she had with her friend Vanity, and you.
Speaker 3: Can still listen to Yes right Now seasons.
Speaker 2: Wherever you get your podcasts. It was actually like, I
Speaker 2: don't listen to podcasts, and I made time for your
Speaker 2: podcast because it was very insightful. I loved lavender linguistic Yes,
Speaker 2: and I also loved having a finger through the glossies,
Speaker 2: which I have now brought into my life and still
Speaker 2: say all the time, like if I'm at the hairdresser,
Speaker 2: I'll go, you know, do you need it? When they
Speaker 2: say do you need anything? I go, nahjar go and
Speaker 2: to sit here and have a finger through the glossies.
Speaker 2: So can that's gone over my head right well, I'll
Speaker 2: let you.
Speaker 4: Fingering through the glossies was when you went to get
Speaker 4: a haircut, you would get like your Woman's Day or
Speaker 4: your Woman's Weekly. Ironically, in Australia, Woman's Day comes out
Speaker 4: weekly and Women's Weekly comes out monthly, but they probably
Speaker 4: couldn't call it Women's monthly. Also, the Liberal Party is conservative.
Speaker 4: Mardi Gras is on a Saturday and it translates to
Speaker 4: fat Tuesday. Like it's just what it's bunkers down here
Speaker 4: in Australia. But yeah, fingering through the glossies was like
Speaker 4: getting your Woman's Day, your woman's weekly, and like having
Speaker 4: a finger.
Speaker 3: Through the glossy magazines.
Speaker 4: And having a having a catch up each week after
Speaker 4: you've read the glossies and you want to talk about
Speaker 4: you know, Angelina, Joelie or Brad Pitt's face.
Speaker 1: Miss that when you go to the hairdressers and all
Speaker 1: the magazines there, remember you would even they would have
Speaker 1: like the hairdressing magazine. You could go through and see
Speaker 1: all the different hairstyles and cuts and then you pick
Speaker 1: from that.
Speaker 3: And then you'd be convinced. You're like, yeah, I want
Speaker 3: to do this.
Speaker 1: I want to do this, angled Bob, and then coming.
Speaker 3: Out exactly the same hairdo as you had when you
Speaker 3: went in. Bring it back, I say, did you know.
Speaker 4: I went This is sorry a tangent, but I was
Speaker 4: wandering through Merrickville the other day. I had like an
Speaker 4: hour to kill and I just went wondering and I
Speaker 4: stumbled across the Merrickville Public Library and it is like
Speaker 4: it's like a like a we work or like some.
Speaker 3: Sort of like epic. I couldn't.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm just like too detached from reality, but I
Speaker 4: couldn't quite grasp. But this giant, glamorous building which was
Speaker 4: packed with people. It was like a real hub and
Speaker 4: a vibe. There's like a cafe. It's all free.
Speaker 3: You can go in. They even have magazines. They even glossies.
Speaker 4: They even have Women's Weekly that you can go in
Speaker 4: and just like read like Vogue UK, like all of
Speaker 4: these magazines and you just go in and you.
Speaker 3: Read them all for free. And I know that's what
Speaker 3: public libraries are. They are. It just blows my mind.
Speaker 4: I'm like, why would you ever go to a bookshop?
Speaker 1: I'm surprised we're not getting charge to go to libraries now, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we paid throughout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they run by the government, though how have they.
Speaker 1: Not figured out some way to charge us, like you know,
Speaker 1: we get charge for everything else.
Speaker 3: But that's the beauty of them, that's the point.
Speaker 4: They are a public service, community centers and public libraries.
Speaker 2: But have you surely you've been to the Green Square one? No,
Speaker 2: that'd be my favorite.
Speaker 3: Oh, I think I need to do a public library tour.
Speaker 2: Around and has like this big skylight and like gardens everywhere,
Speaker 2: and it's like so tranquil and like just it's an experience.
Speaker 4: I can get on the metro go to Green Square,
Speaker 4: just the metric, go to Green Square.
Speaker 3: I feel like it does.
Speaker 1: That's a good series right there on tiktop, touring around
Speaker 1: libraries and reviewing them and rating them.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I can't think of her name. And
Speaker 4: she does like, come with me as I take a
Speaker 4: shit in yeh says but I feel like, come with
Speaker 4: me as I go to a public library isn't quite
Speaker 4: like come with me as I take a shit in
Speaker 4: the public library, not in the toilet.
Speaker 3: Now, audiot, she does, you've got a timey bow movements.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you'd have to line that up perfectly.
Speaker 2: I feel like, though social media is a place where
Speaker 2: you could definitely give that a go, and you might
Speaker 2: be surprised at how well it takes off.
Speaker 4: Because I did film some content while I was there.
Speaker 4: I was like this, people need to know about this.
Speaker 3: I meanwhile, it's full. Yeah, everyone knows. I'm the last.
Speaker 2: How camp? Well, I am someone who's speaking of love
Speaker 2: and linguistics. You just uses the word camp all the time,
Speaker 2: which was a struggle for our predominantly straight audience to
Speaker 2: get used to and Brittany. Brittany had no idea what
Speaker 2: camp meant. Our audience is always like stopped trying to
Speaker 2: make camp happen.
Speaker 3: That's camp.
Speaker 2: That's camp, right, camp? And what would you say, is
Speaker 2: the opposite of camp, by the way, mock mock? So
Speaker 2: is that actual?
Speaker 3: Like, is that any actual tea to say? Is it
Speaker 3: mock or is it camp?
Speaker 4: Now, my definition of camp weirdly comes from Simpsons. When
Speaker 4: I want to say, John Waters was the voice of
Speaker 4: a character on The Simpsons and he opens up a
Speaker 4: shop for left handed people, I think.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, the left um Leatorium.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not to be confused with the Succatorium, that's a
Speaker 4: very different place.
Speaker 3: But he defined camp as the.
Speaker 4: Tragically ludicrous, the ludicrously tragic, And so I read and
Speaker 4: then I read Susan Sontag's Notes on Camp, which wasn't
Speaker 4: really very camp.
Speaker 3: It was quite long.
Speaker 4: And I also went to the Camp exhibition at the
Speaker 4: met which was sort of like a few years ago,
Speaker 4: they had a whole exhibition on it, and camp is
Speaker 4: just like that. It's I think one of the things
Speaker 4: about camp is that it's like undefinable in a way,
Speaker 4: but sort of like things that are camp are sort
Speaker 4: of making a comment on society, but there's often like
Speaker 4: a twist that's relevant to like a niche of the
Speaker 4: community and often comes from a queer sensibility. Like one
Speaker 4: of the examples was these these old carved statues of
Speaker 4: like men, like symbols of masculinity that they were sort
Speaker 4: of in these like lilting poses with like a bit
Speaker 4: of a limp wrist or a bit of a like
Speaker 4: a beveled leg, And so there's this idea that the
Speaker 4: statue is about, Like it's carved from stone, it's hard,
Speaker 4: it's marble, it's like a symbol of masculinity.
Speaker 3: But then it's got like little beveled leg. That's camp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is calv Yeah. I like to just to
Speaker 2: tell the audience that it just means it's just a
Speaker 2: word to describe something that's fabulous, a bit gay, bit fun,
Speaker 2: a bit fresh, you know, instead of it's similar to stunning, gorgeous, whatever,
Speaker 2: it's like, it's camp.
Speaker 3: I think the kids are calling it zesty.
Speaker 2: Zesty, yes, zesty, but I think zesty is more of
Speaker 2: an insult to.
Speaker 4: Produce a Hanna, because I know she's down with kids.
Speaker 4: She knows all the lingo. I just know it because
Speaker 4: I saw I saw an instagram of a TikTok from
Speaker 4: two weeks ago that was explaining the words that the
Speaker 4: kids are using and that are banned. But wait, let's
Speaker 4: make zesty not an reclaimer. Let's reclaim zesty from two
Speaker 4: weeks ago.
Speaker 2: I think, out of all the insults you could, you know,
Speaker 2: throw at a queer person, though, zesty is probably the
Speaker 2: nicest one.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, she's a bit zesty.
Speaker 2: She's a bit zesty. Oh, I love that. Let's reclaim
Speaker 2: the word.
Speaker 3: I like to say, she's got a bit of sugar
Speaker 3: in her shoes. That one.
Speaker 2: Brittany still like no clue what's going on? So I
Speaker 2: thought we will play a game with Brittany today.
Speaker 3: Okay, is this the game?
Speaker 2: This is the game which I have called it camp
Speaker 2: or NAFF because that is my opposite.
Speaker 3: That's good. Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 2: Something the camp or NAF. And BRIT's got a list
Speaker 2: of things that she's gonna quiz us on whether they
Speaker 2: are camp or whether they are NAF, and will be
Speaker 2: the judge. Okay, just to let her into the the
Speaker 2: queer experience a little deeper today. Also, she has no
Speaker 2: idea what these are.
Speaker 3: I know these, I'm reading them.
Speaker 2: No, as in, you haven't. Like our producer and I
Speaker 2: created this listing it for the first time. I don't
Speaker 2: know what's on this list either, so it's just as
Speaker 2: much of a surprise.
Speaker 4: I just quickly asked our robot overlords for a definition
Speaker 4: of camp. Camp is a style and sensibility that reveals
Speaker 4: in the exaggerated, theatrical, and often the absurd. It's a
Speaker 4: mode of expression that embraces artifice, irony, and over the
Speaker 4: top aesthetics, often with a playful or humorous edge.
Speaker 3: There you go. I feel like we know less about camp, and.
Speaker 2: I think I'm just I think that explanation of camp
Speaker 2: was quite knaf. Actually, I think it was too.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's play camp or knaf. Okay, the
Speaker 1: first one is Brat summer Camp.
Speaker 4: It's camp, but there's like a timeline, right, Like I
Speaker 4: think depending on where you are on the timeline, it
Speaker 4: could be or who you are, it could be naff okay,
Speaker 4: but it is camp for I don't know, You're like
Speaker 4: no one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well, I was just thinking because we've got
Speaker 2: this new Brat album coming soon again part two or
Speaker 2: even part three, because there's already been a second Is
Speaker 2: it like a remix album. It's a remix album and
Speaker 2: it's just in time for Australian summer.
Speaker 1: Summer is our winter and we didn't need to fully
Speaker 1: get that.
Speaker 4: Snaff is like has because I've been away for the
Speaker 4: last three months in the Northern Hemisphere having a brat summer.
Speaker 4: But how Australian's all been here like summer wine is
Speaker 4: that camp?
Speaker 2: So we've been in the clubs having all the brat parties,
Speaker 2: but it has been fucking freezing, which, by the way, side,
Speaker 2: not I did see at Arc on the weekend, but
Speaker 2: we didn't. I didn't actually say hello.
Speaker 3: Was I like macking off with a guy for like
Speaker 3: an hour?
Speaker 2: No, you were at the bar and this guy was
Speaker 2: chewing your fucking ear off, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to go sack below because she's clearly preoccupied,
Speaker 2: like your face was giving please leave me alone. But
Speaker 2: I just remember like having this moment at the bar
Speaker 2: at Arc on the weekend and I saw you and
Speaker 2: I just looked across and then I looked back at
Speaker 2: the bartender while she was making my drink and I thought,
Speaker 2: fucking hell, the fact we've both got to be at
Speaker 2: no Over on Monday morning and she's going to be
Speaker 2: in full drag. I was like, it's not fucking real.
Speaker 3: But I was.
Speaker 4: It a brat summer party before that. Oh nice, and
Speaker 4: this is the first time I've ever done this. My
Speaker 4: friend like walked downstairs and they were like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 4: it's sold out.
Speaker 3: It's a ticket event.
Speaker 4: We're having like a Brat slash Charlie XCX part. Oh sorry,
Speaker 4: Bratt slash Chapel Roone party. And then everybody turned around
Speaker 4: and started to exit, and I was like, hang on, guys,
Speaker 4: I'm not in drag. I literally have problems. I've never
Speaker 4: done this, but I walked up to the door lady
Speaker 4: and I went, Hi, I'm Courtney Act.
Speaker 3: And she was like, oh god, yes you are.
Speaker 4: And I know that you're sold out, but I was
Speaker 4: just wondering if my friends and I could come in,
Speaker 4: and she was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yes, of course.
Speaker 4: How many are you and I was like seven. She's like, oh, yes,
Speaker 4: you'll have to pay, and I'm like, yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 4: But I was just like, hello, I'm Courtney Act, like
Speaker 4: you're Beyonce.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Brittany's done that and got herself into a party with
Speaker 2: Vince Faum.
Speaker 3: I don't know who I did do it like that?
Speaker 3: You said hello, I'm Brittany, and they will say it
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: I said it like and went look at my followers,
Speaker 2: So I didn't.
Speaker 1: I said it in passing as we were leaving, and
Speaker 1: then he was like what did you just say? And
Speaker 1: then he's like, showed me your Instagram and then I
Speaker 1: was like okay, and then it's like, okay, you can
Speaker 1: come in perfect, great story met Vince worn Okay, next one,
Speaker 1: We've got vodka Red.
Speaker 3: Bull Well hang on camp or naf oh? I don't know.
Speaker 3: This is such a hard game for me personally.
Speaker 2: You're being so safe, I know, just say it with
Speaker 2: your whole chest. Bats.
Speaker 3: I don't. I know.
Speaker 4: Actually I keep looking at you being like, what's the
Speaker 4: right answer I'm giving NA.
Speaker 3: Personally, I think it's naf.
Speaker 1: I think so too, to be honest, because I think
Speaker 1: back to when I would go out when I was
Speaker 1: eighteen and nineteen and drink vodka Red Bulls all night.
Speaker 1: How did we do that?
Speaker 3: Why did we do that? We were young?
Speaker 4: We still had youth and life and zest us.
Speaker 1: And then you're having so many energy drinks at night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like after me alcohol.
Speaker 4: You're still a line of like alt, I'm kidding, I'm
Speaker 4: leaning into your get cancers, vocal rebels.
Speaker 1: Nap yep, I agree, drinking cows milk uh.
Speaker 3: Naf Sorry that was a burpaner.
Speaker 2: Are you a vegan?
Speaker 3: I'm a vegetarian vegetarian, but I've never been a dairy queen. Yeah.
Speaker 4: When I was little, my dad wants told he said,
Speaker 4: I can't remember, like he's an atropath. So basically you
Speaker 4: go to an atropath, they do all of these tests,
Speaker 4: get all the specialized data, and they're like, you should
Speaker 4: stop drinking dairy. Like everybody universally gets that as a recommendation,
Speaker 4: I feel, and so I never drank dairy growing up.
Speaker 4: I was a soy boy, long before it was popular.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I just don't really. I just drink plant
Speaker 4: based milk.
Speaker 1: I see everyone now saying that all the plant based
Speaker 1: milks are like worse for us, and then people now
Speaker 1: are saying we need to go back to drinking normal milk.
Speaker 4: Well, I think when you when you do look at
Speaker 4: the science about like if you think about it, the
Speaker 4: cows eat soy to make their milk, so if you
Speaker 4: just cut out the middleman and drink the soy milk,
Speaker 4: you're still better off. But there are definitely problems with deforestation,
Speaker 4: like growing places to plant the soy, but I think,
Speaker 4: you know, those things being done ethically are the best thing.
Speaker 4: But ultimately, plant based milks.
Speaker 3: I only do the environment. Almond.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Almond's a bit thin for me. And I had
Speaker 2: to drop stop drinking soy because my doctor said, that's
Speaker 2: why your tits are so big, because there's estrogen in
Speaker 2: a soy milk fat and because when I was younger,
Speaker 2: I lost a lot of weight but still had these
Speaker 2: really big tits. And my doctor was like, that's the
Speaker 2: fucking soy milk. Quit that. I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: we went to almond. But thank god oat exists. Now
Speaker 2: I love an oat milk.
Speaker 1: Oat milk with Marcho's really good. Okay, next one, we've
Speaker 1: got Taylor and Travis Knaf.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 2: Knaf.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm like because I like reading on
Speaker 1: Reddit and there's like a tailor and Travis on Reddit,
Speaker 1: there's got hundreds of thousands of people in it, and
Speaker 1: everyone just like is ripping their relationship to shreds. It's
Speaker 1: just really interesting to read other opinions on a celebrity
Speaker 1: couple in there.
Speaker 4: You know it is camp though, Donald Trump tweeting I
Speaker 4: hate Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3: That's camp.
Speaker 2: Tweet just that I hate or he truth socialed it
Speaker 2: whatever because he because she came out in support of.
Speaker 4: Kamela, but I just like, I hate. He literally wrote it,
Speaker 4: I hate Taylor Swift, Like what a child? I know.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if someone in Australia was doing that,
Speaker 1: like the person in charge of the country.
Speaker 2: What are they like?
Speaker 4: Jess Melboy comes out in support of and then the
Speaker 4: oppositions like I hate Jess Melboy and everyone like, you're
Speaker 4: an idiot.
Speaker 3: We would never like no one he would never.
Speaker 1: No one would never.
Speaker 3: Okay, do you want me to just pick one more?
Speaker 2: One more?
Speaker 3: Let's go Wicked the.
Speaker 4: Movie being in two parts. Look, I want to see it,
Speaker 4: and yes, I would have liked to have all been
Speaker 4: in one part. But that I think that today's youth
Speaker 4: need lessons in delayed gratification.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a powerful answer.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't say whether it was Camp or Nathma.
Speaker 2: No very political.
Speaker 3: It's pretty answer I'd like, I just want.
Speaker 2: It all same, but also I don't know if I
Speaker 2: could handle all of it at once.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, like, I don't have a
Speaker 1: long attention span anymore because we just scroll so quickly,
Speaker 1: so like a really long movie.
Speaker 2: I'm always like, Oh, I do wonder though, how they're
Speaker 2: going to finish the first in preparation for the second,
Speaker 2: because if you think about the actual theater show, it
Speaker 2: finishing with defying gravity and then intermission. If they were
Speaker 2: to do the same thing in the movie, I think
Speaker 2: finishing with defining gravity, I guess you could fly often.
Speaker 2: Then that's the end, right, We only have to wait
Speaker 2: a year as well that filming at all at once. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's already all done. Okay, so but it's literally one
Speaker 2: year apart. It's twenty first of November this year and
Speaker 2: then twenty first of November next year. Don't quite me
Speaker 2: on that anyway, I'm saying camp.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, should be good to have to take a side.
Speaker 3: Camp.
Speaker 2: You do have to pick a side.
Speaker 4: Umm, I'm gonna say camp because it's absurd.
Speaker 2: It is a little bit gay to make us sway
Speaker 2: the whole year isn't it.
Speaker 4: I think what we're finding through this exercise is that
Speaker 4: quite often binary categorization is far too limited for the
Speaker 4: nuances and complexities of life.
Speaker 2: Put that on a fucking T shirt and sell it.
Speaker 2: Courtney Act, thank you so much for coming in, and
Speaker 2: thanks for letting me drag you in here pleasure.
Speaker 3: Thanks for dragging me in with us. I was just
Speaker 3: on my way to the dunnies. Now I've really got
Speaker 3: a piss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're better, You better go. Thank you for listening. Scrollers.
Speaker 2: We forget what we have to say. Next Tuesday, Yeah, sorry, Courtney,
Speaker 2: can you do the utro for it?
Speaker 3: You next Tuesday?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, tote that cancel Yeah, that will get you canceled.