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Speaker 2: You and I have a second way. That's Courtney fucking

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Speaker 2: Act out there. Oh my god, Courtney Act is walking past,

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Speaker 2: being and over. I love saying, you know, celebs walk past.

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Speaker 3: Come on Courtney a.

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Speaker 2: Ah, Courtney Actor, Welcome to high scrollers, close friends, close

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Speaker 2: friends episode.

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Speaker 4: By the way, friend, Yes, does that mean that like

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Speaker 4: like the green circle?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we can talk about anything on this poet.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter and we can't be canceled for anything

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean you might say that, but is it true.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, so far we have been canceled.

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Speaker 2: We're over you in so I think you can't cancel

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Speaker 2: the uncancellable.

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Speaker 4: That's my goal in life, to be uncounceled, cancellable, not unconcelable,

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Speaker 4: to be uncancelled counselable. And I think about I don't

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Speaker 4: know why this is the person that comes to mind,

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Speaker 4: but Ricky Gervais is someone who is uncancellable, even if

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Speaker 4: he does or doesn't deserve to be canceled. But like

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Speaker 4: there's those people who at a certain level of economic stability,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's where it comes in, where like

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Speaker 4: you can just say whatever you want and not behold

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Speaker 4: be beholden to like or human rights or anything. And

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Speaker 4: I do want to be behold in the human rights,

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Speaker 4: but I'd love to be above like I think i'd

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Speaker 4: like to be independently wealthy. I think that's what I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't we all girl? I think well, today will

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Speaker 2: be a good soundboard, good platform for you to test

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Speaker 2: the uncancellable waters because I feel like there's any reddict cancer. Look.

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Speaker 2: I used to be a big fan of Brenda Call

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Speaker 2: Me and I, which for everyone listening was Courtney's podcast

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Speaker 2: that she had with her friend Vanity, and you.

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Speaker 3: Can still listen to Yes right Now seasons.

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Speaker 2: Wherever you get your podcasts. It was actually like, I

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Speaker 2: don't listen to podcasts, and I made time for your

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Speaker 2: podcast because it was very insightful. I loved lavender linguistic Yes,

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Speaker 2: and I also loved having a finger through the glossies,

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Speaker 2: which I have now brought into my life and still

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Speaker 2: say all the time, like if I'm at the hairdresser,

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Speaker 2: say do you need anything? I go, nahjar go and

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Speaker 2: to sit here and have a finger through the glossies.

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Speaker 2: So can that's gone over my head right well, I'll

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Speaker 4: Fingering through the glossies was when you went to get

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Speaker 4: a haircut, you would get like your Woman's Day or

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Speaker 4: your Woman's Weekly. Ironically, in Australia, Woman's Day comes out

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Speaker 4: couldn't call it Women's monthly. Also, the Liberal Party is conservative.

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Speaker 4: Mardi Gras is on a Saturday and it translates to

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Speaker 4: fat Tuesday. Like it's just what it's bunkers down here

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Speaker 4: in Australia. But yeah, fingering through the glossies was like

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Speaker 4: getting your Woman's Day, your woman's weekly, and like having

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Speaker 3: Through the glossy magazines.

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Speaker 4: And having a having a catch up each week after

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Speaker 4: you've read the glossies and you want to talk about

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Speaker 4: you know, Angelina, Joelie or Brad Pitt's face.

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Speaker 1: Miss that when you go to the hairdressers and all

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Speaker 3: And then you'd be convinced. You're like, yeah, I want

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Speaker 1: I want to do this, angled Bob, and then coming.

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Speaker 3: Out exactly the same hairdo as you had when you

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Speaker 4: I went This is sorry a tangent, but I was

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Speaker 3: Sort of like epic. I couldn't.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I'm just like too detached from reality, but I

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Speaker 3: You can go in. They even have magazines. They even glossies.

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Speaker 4: and just like read like Vogue UK, like all of

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Speaker 3: Read them all for free. And I know that's what

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Speaker 4: I'm like, why would you ever go to a bookshop?

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised we're not getting charge to go to libraries now, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they run by the government, though how have they.

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Speaker 1: Not figured out some way to charge us, like you know,

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Speaker 3: But that's the beauty of them, that's the point.

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Speaker 4: They are a public service, community centers and public libraries.

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Speaker 2: But have you surely you've been to the Green Square one? No,

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think I need to do a public library tour.

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Speaker 2: Around and has like this big skylight and like gardens everywhere,

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Speaker 2: and it's like so tranquil and like just it's an experience.

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Speaker 4: I can get on the metro go to Green Square,

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Speaker 1: That's a good series right there on tiktop, touring around

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I can't think of her name. And

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Speaker 4: she does like, come with me as I take a

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Speaker 3: Now, audiot, she does, you've got a timey bow movements.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you'd have to line that up perfectly.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, though social media is a place where

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Speaker 4: Because I did film some content while I was there.

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Speaker 4: I was like this, people need to know about this.

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Speaker 3: I meanwhile, it's full. Yeah, everyone knows. I'm the last.

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Speaker 2: How camp? Well, I am someone who's speaking of love

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Speaker 2: and linguistics. You just uses the word camp all the time,

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Speaker 3: That's camp.

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Speaker 2: That's camp, right, camp? And what would you say, is

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Speaker 3: Like, is that any actual tea to say? Is it

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Speaker 4: Now, my definition of camp weirdly comes from Simpsons. When

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Speaker 3: But he defined camp as the.

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Speaker 4: Tragically ludicrous, the ludicrously tragic, And so I read and

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Speaker 4: then I read Susan Sontag's Notes on Camp, which wasn't

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Speaker 4: And I also went to the Camp exhibition at the

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Speaker 4: but sort of like things that are camp are sort

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Speaker 3: But then it's got like little beveled leg. That's camp.

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Speaker 2: word to describe something that's fabulous, a bit gay, bit fun,

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Speaker 2: a bit fresh, you know, instead of it's similar to stunning, gorgeous, whatever,

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Speaker 3: I think the kids are calling it zesty.

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Speaker 2: Zesty, yes, zesty, but I think zesty is more of

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Speaker 4: Produce a Hanna, because I know she's down with kids.

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Speaker 4: She knows all the lingo. I just know it because

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Speaker 4: I saw I saw an instagram of a TikTok from

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Speaker 4: make zesty not an reclaimer. Let's reclaim zesty from two

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Speaker 2: I think, out of all the insults you could, you know,

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Speaker 2: throw at a queer person, though, zesty is probably the

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, she's a bit zesty.

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Speaker 2: She's a bit zesty. Oh, I love that. Let's reclaim

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Speaker 2: the word.

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Speaker 3: I like to say, she's got a bit of sugar

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Speaker 2: Brittany still like no clue what's going on? So I

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Speaker 2: thought we will play a game with Brittany today.

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Speaker 3: Okay, is this the game?

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Speaker 2: This is the game which I have called it camp

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Speaker 2: or NAFF because that is my opposite.

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Speaker 3: That's good. Yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: Something the camp or NAF. And BRIT's got a list

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Speaker 2: of things that she's gonna quiz us on whether they

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Speaker 2: are camp or whether they are NAF, and will be

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Speaker 2: the judge. Okay, just to let her into the the

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Speaker 2: queer experience a little deeper today. Also, she has no

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Speaker 2: idea what these are.

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Speaker 3: I know these, I'm reading them.

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Speaker 2: No, as in, you haven't. Like our producer and I

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Speaker 2: created this listing it for the first time. I don't

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Speaker 4: I just quickly asked our robot overlords for a definition

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Speaker 4: of camp. Camp is a style and sensibility that reveals

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Speaker 3: There you go. I feel like we know less about camp, and.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm just I think that explanation of camp

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Speaker 2: was quite knaf. Actually, I think it was too.

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Speaker 4: It's camp, but there's like a timeline, right, Like I

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Speaker 2: it like a remix album. It's a remix album and

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Speaker 2: So we've been in the clubs having all the brat parties,

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Speaker 2: No, you were at the bar and this guy was

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Speaker 4: And I know that you're sold out, but I was

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Speaker 4: But I was just like, hello, I'm Courtney Act, like

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Speaker 3: I don't know who I did do it like that?

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Speaker 1: come in perfect, great story met Vince worn Okay, next one,

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Speaker 1: We've got vodka Red.

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Speaker 3: Bull Well hang on camp or naf oh? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: This is such a hard game for me personally.

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Speaker 2: You're being so safe, I know, just say it with

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Speaker 4: Actually I keep looking at you being like, what's the

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Speaker 3: Personally, I think it's naf.

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Speaker 1: How did we do that?

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Speaker 3: Why did we do that? We were young?

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Speaker 4: We still had youth and life and zest us.

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Speaker 1: And then you're having so many energy drinks at night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like after me alcohol.

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Speaker 4: You're still a line of like alt, I'm kidding, I'm

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Speaker 1: Nap yep, I agree, drinking cows milk uh.

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Speaker 2: Are you a vegan?

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Speaker 3: I'm a vegetarian vegetarian, but I've never been a dairy queen. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I only do the environment. Almond.

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Speaker 2: I love an oat milk.

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Speaker 1: Oat milk with Marcho's really good. Okay, next one, we've

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Speaker 4: You know what.

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Speaker 2: Knaf.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm like because I like reading on

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Speaker 4: You know it is camp though, Donald Trump tweeting I

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Speaker 3: That's camp.

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Speaker 2: Tweet just that I hate or he truth socialed it

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Speaker 4: I hate Taylor Swift, Like what a child? I know.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine if someone in Australia was doing that,

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Speaker 2: What are they like?

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Speaker 4: Jess Melboy comes out in support of and then the

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Speaker 4: oppositions like I hate Jess Melboy and everyone like, you're

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Speaker 3: We would never like no one he would never.

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Speaker 1: No one would never.

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Speaker 2: One more?

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Speaker 3: Let's go Wicked the.

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Speaker 4: Movie being in two parts. Look, I want to see it,

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Speaker 4: and yes, I would have liked to have all been

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Speaker 4: need lessons in delayed gratification.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a powerful answer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't say whether it was Camp or Nathma.

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Speaker 2: No very political.

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Speaker 2: It all same, but also I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, like, I don't have a

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Speaker 2: I'm always like, Oh, I do wonder though, how they're

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Speaker 2: finishing with defining gravity, I guess you could fly often.

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Speaker 2: Then that's the end, right, We only have to wait

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Speaker 2: a year as well that filming at all at once. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's already all done. Okay, so but it's literally one

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Speaker 2: then twenty first of November next year. Don't quite me

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Speaker 2: on that anyway, I'm saying camp.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, should be good to have to take a side.

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Speaker 3: Camp.

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Speaker 2: You do have to pick a side.

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Speaker 4: Umm, I'm gonna say camp because it's absurd.

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Speaker 2: It is a little bit gay to make us sway

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Speaker 2: the whole year isn't it.

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Speaker 4: I think what we're finding through this exercise is that

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Speaker 2: Put that on a fucking T shirt and sell it.

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Speaker 2: Courtney Act, thank you so much for coming in, and

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Speaker 2: thanks for letting me drag you in here pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for dragging me in with us. I was just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're better, You better go. Thank you for listening. Scrollers.

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Speaker 2: We forget what we have to say. Next Tuesday, Yeah, sorry, Courtney,

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Speaker 2: can you do the utro for it?

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Speaker 3: You next Tuesday?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, tote that cancel Yeah, that will get you canceled.