WEBVTT - Sharri | 30 July 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:03.279 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:09.399 This is Sharry Good Evening will major news tonight. A 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:13.960 bombshell racism scandal has hit the Collingwood Football Club. Senior 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:17.520 executives at the AFL club have been accused of highly 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:21.360 offensive racial slurs towards Indigenous players. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:22.520 And a Jewish colleague. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:26.920 This exclusive story on tomorrow's front page of The Herald 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.600 Son reports that the chief executive, Craig Kelly, has been 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:35.280 accused of joking about putting a live effing possum in 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.400 a special room for Indigenous players and calling an Aboriginal 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:44.760 elder a dumb old bee. The paper has obtained explosive 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.479 court documents which also claim that Kelly joked about sending 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.199 a photograph of a free Palestine sign to a Jewish 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.480 colleague to wind her up. He is alleged to have 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.200 seen a free Palestine sign in the street and said, 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.360 and I quote quick, take a photo of that, send 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.760 it to Garlit and watch her go off. He was 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:09.400 reportedly referring to garllit Yeri, Collingwood's executive general. 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:10.759 Manager for People and Culture. 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.760 In another comment, Kelly is alleged to have said to 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:18.319 the then First Nation strategy head Mark Kleaver, why do 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.600 you need to use Google Maps. I assume your people 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:26.839 can navigate with their eyes closed. Victoria Police has also 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.760 been notified over allegations of physical assaults and there's more 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.440 detail on this on the Herald's Sun website right now. Now, 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:36.840 Sky News and The Herald's Sign are not suggesting any 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.680 of the claims are true, only that they have been 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:43.560 made in documents before the court. Well known law firm 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.200 Morris Blackburn is taking on this case and their principal 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:51.040 Daniel Victory. So the allegations call into question whether the 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:55.760 Collingwood Football Club has learned anything from its racism scandals. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.360 A report into racism in twenty twenty one led to 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:05.600 Eddie mcgwai's resignation as Collingwood president after twenty two years. Now, 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.960 the AFL Integrity Unit has been made aware of this 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:13.000 hr complaint but has deemed it a workplace issue for 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.840 the club. There'll be a court hearing on August twenty seven, 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:18.519 and this story. 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:24.480 Is going to be big news. Now. 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:26.680 As I said, you can head to the Herald Sun website. 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:28.640 There's a lot more detail on that story. It is 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.040 going to be front page of the Herald Sun tomorrow 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.280 we've got that front page. We're going to bring it 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.400 to you in a moment throughout the show. Now, in 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.880 such a tumultuous time in the world, we need tough 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.960 leaders in charge of our national security. Yet we have 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:48.919 Anthony Albanesi and Tony Burke, two knock about factional figures 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:53.480 who were never considered leadership material, and yet somehow one 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:57.960 is the Prime Minister and the other the Home Affairs Minister. Worse, 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:03.240 Albinizi has since coming to office got it Australia's premier 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.200 national security. 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:06.399 Agency, Home Affairs. 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:11.960 He's stripped ASIO and other critical operational agencies from it. 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.160 Now the move to install Tony Burke in Home Affairs 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.440 has been so controversial that Albin Easy was forced to 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.359 come out today and defend his actions. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:27.560 Tony Burke is someone who has been successful in everything 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:32.320 he has done and undertaken. He already has hit the 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.800 ground running. He's there in Indonesia. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.880 The Prime Minister also launched a scathing attack on the 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:44.040 highly sensible and talented James Patterson, who was the first 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:48.560 to point out just how ludicrous Tony Burke's appointment was. 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.360 Yet alban Easy shot. 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:57.400 Back, James Patterson is a shocking message to Australians that 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.840 all you need to do is to be negative and opposed. 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.360 About time James Patterson stood up for the Australian national 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.840 interest instead of just playing politics. 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.160 Yeah, James Patterson is the one who is clear eyed 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:16.920 when it comes to national security, not Alban Easy. Tony 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.960 Burke dutifully followed Alban Easy by ripping into Patterson this morning, 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.960 even though it's his own record as Immigration Minister that's 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:26.000 now under question. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.160 Can I just say, what an idiotic comment from somebody 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.719 who's clearly never been a minister and has like he's 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.120 made up a way of looking at statistics about me. 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.080 If that's the character of my shadow, then we'll just 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.920 deal with what comes at us. I have never hesitated 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:48.000 to reject visas or to cancel visus. He'll probably never 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:54.520 refer to that statistic because it's just irrefutable if you 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.039 go back through the records, is what I did last 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.400 time and the sort of decisions that will happen under 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:00.000 my watch again. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:01.560 Well. 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.839 I asked James Patterson to respond to these attacks from 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.320 Albanizi and Tony Burke today and he told me I 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.440 understand why the Prime Minister and Tony Burke are sensitive. 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.720 I'd be embarrassed too with that record. Burke led in 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:19.280 eighty three votes carrying six thousand, six hundred illegal arrivals 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:23.480 in just eighty days as Immigration minister. Children in detention 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.880 peaked at one nine hundred and ninety two on his watch. 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.640 But Australians are entitled to expect a Prime Minister and 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.440 Minister for Home Affairs who are calm and measured, not 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:40.320 who resort to unhinged rants when their record is scrutinized. Well, 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:44.120 Albinizi tried to defend Burke, saying that the six thousand 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:48.440 asylum seekers who came under him weren't actually his fault. 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:54.599 It's the only person and group who send messages to 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:59.880 people smugglers which could give them some heart is the Coalition. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.960 What we've done is put in place Operation Sovereign Borders 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:09.000 with more funding than it has ever received since it 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:09.760 was created. 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.839 Well, let's turn to Tony Burke's own words, because in 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.320 his own words, he admitted that lives were lost while 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.640 he was the Immigration minister in twenty and thirteen. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.880 I was the shadow Minister for Immigration before the two 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:30.640 thousand and seven election. I took to the election and 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:35.080 to this conference a platform that the entire conference cheered. 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:40.039 I changed our platform so that we stood for the 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.520 abolition of temporary projection visus. I was there for fewer 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:47.560 than four months, and there are thirty three lives that 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:48.720 were lost on my watch. 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.320 And then there's the concern that we spoke about last 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.720 night that Tony Burke won't be tough calling out the 0:06:55.800 --> 0:07:02.040 top threat facing Australia Islamic extremists because he's under pressure 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:06.000 from the Muslim vote in his own electorate. Burke failed 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.680 to quickly condemn the hate preachers who celebrated the Hamas 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:15.320 terror attacks just twenty four hours after the bloodshed. Will 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:19.400 Former Queensland Labor State Secretary Cameron Milner laid into him 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:19.960 over this. 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.240 His own electorate is the epicenter of his Islamic extremism 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.040 in Australia, the center of hate preachers, and yet as 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.840 the local member, he's waved it all through. So Goodness 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.800 knows what he does as our Home Affairs Minister when 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.560 our national security is at stake. Goodness knows when he's 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.960 got the demand for Palestinian refugees in verte Commas to 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.640 come out after the conflict, who will no doubt be 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:42.920 flooded with Hamas and other g hardy operatives and it 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.520 will wave them through. As a weak Immigration minister, Tony 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.880 Burg is utterly compromised because his own personal endeavor and 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.760 trying to hold on the seat of Watson against the 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.480 Muslim vote will compromise every single decision. 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:59.600 He makes pretty strong comments and he's probably right. There's 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.840 also concerned that Home Affairs no longer has any operation 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:07.040 or agencies with the AFP. The acic Ostrak and now 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:11.440 ASIO all moved out we Albanezi claimed he was moving 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.520 Azeo to the Attorney General's Department to keep it with 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:15.240 the AFP. 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.920 It was a logical thing to put ASIO together with 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:24.480 the AFP. We inherited a system that was simply dysfunctional. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.720 But it's nonsense because the AFP and AZIO were already 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:35.120 both together under Home Affairs prior to Albanezi becoming Prime Minister. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:37.040 So you have to. 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.040 Wonder is he trying to appease Mike Drafis here, the 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.840 Attorney General who many suspect will choose to retire in 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.439 the not too distant future. Well, The Australian's editorial has 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.360 highlighted problems with this. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:50.480 They're right. 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:54.600 The government's other moves, however, especially gutting the Home Affairs Department, 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:56.920 pose a significant risk. 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:58.760 To the nation and to the government. 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.000 This weakening of our national security comes at the most 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:08.640 volatile time in decades. Israel and Hesbelah on the cusp 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:13.320 of war. Russia is disseminating disinformation on social media, and 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:18.000 there's an increasingly aggressive Iran and China. More than ever, 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:26.160 we need to have confidence in our national security team. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:27.800 All right, We're just going to bring you now the 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.720 front page of the Herald Sun tomorrow with his latest 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:35.400 breaking bombshell racism scandal at the Collingwood AFL Club. We'll 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.559 show that to you now. So that is the Herald 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.000 Sign front page tomorrow. This is going to be an ongoing, 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:45.720 big issue. Those documents emerging in court. Also coming up 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.120 on the show tonight, Israel on the brink of war 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:52.760 with Lebanon as Australians are told to evacuate immediately. Shadow 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:57.080 Defense Minister Andrew Hasty will join me live plus all 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.680 eyes on tomorrow's inflation data as the RBA gears up 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:05.160 for a crucial rates decision. Will have economists Economist Judith 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.360 Sloan give us her prediction and we'll coast live to 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.040 Paris for more Olympics coverage. But first let's bring it 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.199 now Tonight's panel, former Speaker of the House Bronwan Bishop 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.400 and Sky News host Caleb Bond. Thank you both very 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.959 much for your time. Rom When I want to get 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.760 your view on what has been the political biggest political 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:28.240 issue of the past two days, Albanezi choosing to promote 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.720 Tony Burke into the Home Affairs portfolio. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.400 Well, you know, people laugh when I said that Tony 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.880 Burke gave the unions everything they wanted because when there's 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.040 a leadership context, when Albow goes. 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.319 Unions will give him the vote and give him the leadership. 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.280 But it's part of the same, part of the same 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:50.560 mental strategy for Burke. He's now been given the power 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:54.319 to increase the number of people coming in from Gaza, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:58.480 which will in fact is part of his campaign to 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:03.680 try and stabilize the West where the Muslim movement vote 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:09.960 movement is growing. He is was a failure absolutely, as 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.240 we've just heard when he had the portfolio before. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.520 But not only that, the. 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:21.400 Man is running Leader of the House, which is a 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:26.040 big job to run the House. He's got all these 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.840 elected a bit like Scott Morrison really is the minister perfectly. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.880 Yeah, he probably does have five ministries. He's still arts minister. 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:38.520 It's immigrants show tickets. Ye indeed, so you know he 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:39.160 but he is. 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:41.800 He is a very ambitious man. 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.040 But he's the only one who talks about him being 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:46.679 the leader exactly nowadays. 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.080 Thinks he can seriously be the Prime Minister. Except for 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:50.800 nobody talked about elbow. 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:52.920 You see, that's why it's a problem. 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.520 No true, Well, let's have a listen to fromer Prime 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.520 Minister Tony Abbott. He was on with Peter Kradlin earlier 0:11:58.559 --> 0:11:59.080 here he was. 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.920 For Tony Burke to have any credibility as a new 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.960 immigration minister, he's really got to begin with a bit 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:12.360 of an apology, frankly for his previous record, and I 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:17.080 think a full account of what he did wrong then 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.160 and how it's going to be different now. 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:22.480 Caleb. 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.280 You know, Tony Burke and Albanezi are trying to spin 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.080 their way out of Tony Burke's record, but you can't 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.640 spin figures. The data shows what the data shows, and 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.880 that's why I've played that grabbed tonight and last night 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.920 of Tony Burke himself saying how many lives were lost 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:39.640 when he was the Immigration Minister. 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.920 Correct, and roughly one bow to day came to Australia 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.880 during his short tenure, it should be noted before the 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.560 twenty thirteen election as Immigration Minister. He cannot get away 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:49.960 from that. 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:51.520 And the idea that this. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:56.720 Sort of swaggering, arrogant character that Tony Burke portrays himself 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:00.720 to be would either be a potential future leader just obsurd. 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.559 But the idea that all the other portfolios has got 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.920 and I know how upset Bronwen would be that Arts 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.640 will sort of fall to the wayside given everything else 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.079 he has to worry about. The idea that he can 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.680 take on Immigration and Home Affairs with the great misses 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.800 that have been created in those two portfolios under the 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.600 previous ministers, and given his previous record, that he's going 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.560 to be able to do anything better than him, I 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.120 just can't see it. And then of course we have 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:30.200 the news today that the number of patrol flights being 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.439 done around the border to monitor these incoming votes. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.600 Has reduced and we've had at least. 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:40.760 Three make landfall since this government was elected. You know 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:42.760 how is he going to clean any of this up 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.240 if the number of patrols, even though the Prime Minister says, oh, 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.200 we've put more money into sovereign borders than ever before. Well, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.200 the inflation racks also gone up, so of course you're 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.640 putting more money into it. But we haven't seen any 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:55.480 action as if Burke is going to be able to 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.640 turn that around, certainly not without the support of the 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:58.200 Prime Minister. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.720 Those survey and flights us so important. 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:05.200 I've actually flown those flights and I know how important 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:10.800 it is to pick up the illegals, including fishing boats, 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:16.160 and telephone would telegraph the message back to. 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.240 The naval vessels because when they come in. 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:25.560 I remember we found a boat and there they're holding 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.120 up their phone saying here, cheer, come and take us in, 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:29.640 take us into Australia. 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.280 And of course we saw at the end of last 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.840 year that illegal fishing vessels had arrived on Australian and 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:36.880 it had been four or five days and no one 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.520 had actually picked up that they were there because there 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:44.200 is less less both aerial surveillance and maritime patrols as well. 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.320 I think it came down to, wasn't it some local 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.920 Aboriginal people who had a drone that they bought from 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.720 JB High Fire were the ones who pointed it out. 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:53.280 I mean, the heaven's sake, if they can do a 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.360 better job of border patrol than operations sovereign borders, can, 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:57.600 we've got real problem. 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.320 Yeah, and don't forget they've stripped Mike Pizzillo out well. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.040 So this is an emasculating of the portfolio. 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:03.760 Indeed it is. 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.760 Now a new report by the Low Institute has found 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.680 that the cost of the Orchest partnership will be a 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:14.200 fraction of the NDIS. The nuclear powered submarines are reported 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.520 to cost around ten billion dollars a year, which is 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.200 roughly one tenth of what the NDIS is predicted to 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:25.040 cost over the next thirty years. Bronwin, this is a 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.200 big problem. The ndis a clear cost blowout. No one 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.200 says it's not an important initiative, but we've seen in 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.880 recent months that the scheme is being abused and misused. 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:39.760 Yes it is. And the point that. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.440 The realization has to be this, if we can't defend ourselves, 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.840 if we can't remain a free and independent nation, there will. 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.920 Be no NDIS nil. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:53.560 We have to have our economy structured so that we 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:54.960 can support those in need. 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.120 But the way it is roarted. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.560 One of the most terrifying figures I've seen in recent 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.240 times is of all new jobs that were created in 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.880 the last twelve months, thirty percent of them went to 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:10.600 the ndis now the way in which money is being 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.720 ripped out of the system. There has to be caps 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:18.120 put on it. But Shorten just talks about it, flaps 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.040 the lips, goes on radio, says oh, I'm doing something 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:25.320 about it, and never does because he'll get criticized by 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.320 that section of the community. So there has to be 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:34.120 a strong policy that does put. 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:34.640 Caps in place. 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.080 It says, he's an allocation of money. It can't go 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:41.160 above there's the amount. The question of registration has to 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:48.320 be addressed. But in order that mister Shorten can keep 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:53.240 his leadership hopes alive, he will do nothing because he'll 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:54.640 become in for heavy criticism. 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.200 So that is the problem. But the fundamental thing is this. 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.880 The job of the federal government is to protect the 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.239 country and protect the people up and if that fails, 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.639 then all the sorts of wellherd famous we have will disappear. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.679 No indeed, but Caleb, I think it's extraordinary that this 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:14.200 is clearly the biggest future issue affecting the federal government, 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:18.040 and there's just not enough action to even develop a 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.120 path to try and reign in the costs. 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.600 No, and I mean you look at the cost of 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.760 the NDAs and then the cost that they're now putting 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.320 towards trying to stop the ruts at least find some 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.520 of the routers, which is about four hundred and fifty 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.439 million dollars a year, which is about ten percent of 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.800 the entire NDAs budget. So ten percent of the NDA's 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.159 budget is being spent to catch the people who are 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.760 routing the system. If that doesn't tell you the system 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.000 is broken, then then nothing else will. And going back 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:50.200 to Orcus, you cannot put a price on the defense 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.639 of the nation. And Ronwood makes the point about how 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.800 many jobs have been created through the NDAs, many of 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.359 which are nonsense jobs. There are jobs to be created 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.439 in defense now. Of course, this report also goes on 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.960 to say that there's concern about whether or not we 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.879 have the workforce to complete some of those jobs. And again, 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.160 what are we doing as a country if we are 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.520 so shortsighted that we are willing to spend the billions 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.800 and billions and billions that we spend on the NDAs, 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.360 which is clearly over the top and being rauted, And 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.199 we quibble over how much money is being spent on 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.199 ucas and we're not putting the pieces in place to 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.800 get the people, train up the kids to go and 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.199 build those submarines and do all the other jobs that 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:30.120 comes with defense. 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.480 Well, we've totally lost the plot we have. Indeed, this 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.800 sort of conversations you do depress you about the future 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.239 of our country. Now something a bit lighter. According to 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.360 a new poll in The Guardian, of all places, they 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.840 say that Australians have warmed to Donald Trump over the 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:48.400 past four years, with apparently thirty six percent of ozs 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.040 is now saying they have a favorable view of the 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.560 farmer and maybe future president. This is a fifteen percent 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.800 increase compared to November twenty twenty from when I think 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.320 it's so interesting that at the last election there are 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.840 a whole lot of people who were too shy or 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.320 scared to admit that they were Donald Trump fans. We're 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:11.240 not seeing that now, and including high profile people in 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.159 the tech sector in Wall Street and the United States 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:15.640 are coming out supporting him. 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:16.960 There awful good reason. 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:21.920 They know that America is laughed at with the current leadership, 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:27.760 and they know that strong leadership is desperately needed. They 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.440 know that Donald Trump has been put through the mill. 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:32.880 To put it mildly, they've. 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:34.600 Tried to take him off the ballot paper, They've had 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:41.440 all these lawfare cases against him, and then he survives 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:47.240 an assassination attempt and still comes out fighting and capable 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.800 and on top of it. Now, being the leader of 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.760 the free world is complex. To put it mildly, There 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:57.280 are many issues you have to deal with all the time, 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:01.040 and they want someone who is able to deal with 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:07.080 a multitude of issues at a sensible intellectual level with strength, 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.639 which will show the rest of the world that America 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:12.080 can be a strong leader. 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:12.439 Again. 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.960 It's going to continue to be a fascinating election. Just 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:16.640 before we are. 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.639 Less interested in his table manners. 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:22.160 Yeah, indeed, just before we go Caleb and New Zealand 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:26.000 has described its carbon emissions reduction targets as unachievable by 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.920 twenty thirty. This is the first major airline to actually 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.440 admit that it's not going to meet its targets. Are 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.440 you expecting to see other companies come out and say, look, 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:35.600 we couldn't quite get that. 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:37.600 Well, if they've got the gonades to admit that they 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.320 can't quite get there, I mean in New Zealand has 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.800 just had the common sense to say, look, it's simply 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:45.679 not possible. It's not possible anywhere. I mean everyone who 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.679 works in the energy sector in this country privately, not 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:53.520 necessarily publicly, will admit that Australia is not going to 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:57.080 achieve its renewable targets by twenty thirty and certainly won't 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:00.119 achieve its net zero targets by twenty thirty because you 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.399 don't have the renewable energy coming online. The energy sector 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.639 knows that, but the government won't admit it. So the 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.560 energy sector is actually scared. People feel scared to come 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.040 out and publicly say leaders from AGL and whatever, that 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.600 we're not going to meet those targets because they worry 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.320 about the retribution that they will face from the federal 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.239 government for doing so, even though they all know it. 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:24.560 And I think that's what will cause other companies to 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:26.879 just sort of sit idly by and not admit that 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:28.840 these problems exist, because you go on, well, you know, 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:30.680 we'll get to twenty thirty and we'll deal with it then, 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:32.960 but we all know it's not going to happen. Just 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.000 admit that it won't happen and get on with the job. 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.679 Peter Dutton has said those targets aren't going to be met, 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:40.320 so he said, you know, we're not going to even 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.360 abide by that connatement Albaniz he attacked him over that. 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:44.880 But what's going to happen? 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:46.280 I mean, at what point is Albani? Is he going 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:47.879 to admit that Australia won't meet. 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.080 The twenty thirty targets and he doesn't even want to 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:52.560 talk about what the targets will be for twenty thirty five. 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:54.920 They do have to make a decision on that. Chris 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:55.800 Bowen's in charge of. 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:57.680 That one, so I don't think he wants to admit 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.840 it because it's embarrassing and then we know that's the 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:04.280 last thing that likes in reality. True. 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:06.879