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Speaker 1: Tim Simpson straight talk, mate, Thanks mate, honored to be here.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're the founder of a business called Chosen Advisory Group.

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Speaker 2: You're a UFC manager. You look after UFC fighters and

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about that in a moment, and I would

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Speaker 2: might know a little bit about the build up. Hew,

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Speaker 2: You got to become such a person because everybody loved

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Speaker 2: to be that type of person I reckon, especially when

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Speaker 2: it comes to UFC.

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Speaker 1: But you call it chosen. Why do you get called

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Speaker 1: it chosen?

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Speaker 2: Is it because you only choose those people that you're

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Speaker 2: prepared to manage or they're going to choose you. So

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Speaker 2: where's the where's where's the where's the honor to be with?

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Speaker 1: Is you being hoored to be with them? Where they're

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Speaker 1: being OneD to be with you? Definitely me being honored

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Speaker 1: to be with them? Right, But so that was actually

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Speaker 1: one of the hardest things when starting a business. I

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Speaker 1: had about three business names. I just had this thing

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Speaker 1: and a lot of the agencies in this sport two

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Speaker 1: hundred plus clients, two hundred and fifty athletes, really big

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Speaker 1: bowl and not just MMA. Yeah, some are just MMA

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Speaker 1: without many clients, A lot of them are different sports agencies,

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Speaker 1: Like you get to the big American sports your football,

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Speaker 1: your basketball, two hundred and fifty three hundred clients, and

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Speaker 1: the agency I was at was moving that way. It

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Speaker 1: was all about volume, volume, volume, scale, and it was

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Speaker 1: just not how I thought it should be done. And

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Speaker 1: my thing was always keep it as small as possible

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Speaker 1: and only work with a chosen few in the sense

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Speaker 1: of like, only work with people that these are people

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Speaker 1: have had long term relationships with. I try and only

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Speaker 1: work with the real top end of the industry, and

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Speaker 1: that's respect all fighters. But I've built a business model

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Speaker 1: of really just top end guys and a very chosen few,

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Speaker 1: small amount So there were that kind of like like

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Speaker 1: only working with the elite or blue chip. But also I.

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Speaker 2: Think rank fighters, yeah, ideally like top ten ers or

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so that. But also the I guess the

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Speaker 1: double meaning is like people now built my life around

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Speaker 1: combat sports. It's everything to me, and I think the

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Speaker 1: fighters are to do what they do. You're only a

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Speaker 1: chosen few amount of people in this world can do

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Speaker 1: what these guys are doing. So I guess the double

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Speaker 1: meaning is like I say, I hold fighters on a

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Speaker 1: huge pedestal, always have, always will as human beings and

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Speaker 1: what they do, what they choose to do. So so

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Speaker 1: to me, that's like the chosen few of humans that

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Speaker 1: of the double meaning of it. So it's really built

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Speaker 1: how we ended up.

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Speaker 2: You were, you know, you've been around a while. You

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Speaker 2: only look young, but you know a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: especially younger people, would say, Wow, what a job, I'd

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Speaker 2: love to be doing that.

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Speaker 1: What how do you be?

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Speaker 2: How did you become a MM? A fighter manager? Certainly

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Speaker 2: gives it a little bit of background on you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'll go back. I won't go back to

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Speaker 1: the very beginning, but always been a combat sports fan,

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Speaker 1: So my plan originally was get a job in a

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Speaker 2: But in order to you practice as a lawyer and

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Speaker 2: put drain shingeleout, you have to do this sort of

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Speaker 1: Don't remember any of it, but got it done. So

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Speaker 1: So I'd wake up, I'd go to the call center

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Speaker 1: And I was messaging Paradigm Sports, which is why where

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Speaker 1: Yeah, was his coach? Were not his manager? So his manager.

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Speaker 1: John's a really good friend of mine. He's his coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah who bought for the people don't know, first black

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, legend of ever. So I kind of fell

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Speaker 2: So when you're I mean, you picked a good one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy. I was you know, I was

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Speaker 1: So it's good timing for the discussion, right, the Paramount

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Speaker 2: Those things in life through it, but some of it

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Speaker 2: none of those guys, right, I'm not Rob Wittiker, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm not Israel. I'm one of those guys. I'm some dude.

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Speaker 2: And one of the great things you have. One of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you go, they guys get to twenty and oh

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Speaker 1: But I'm out a stage.

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Speaker 2: No, Well, I just watched them pay for you, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm hoping it to be good.

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Speaker 2: I don't care about sixty bucks, but I do care

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Speaker 2: We would like to match him with Israel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean how does it work?

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Speaker 1: adding value, you don't need a manager. Got to a

434
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 1: stage where he was now ready to go to the UFC.

435
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,399
Speaker 1: I was all right, now let's make the relationship official

436
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 1: if you will, and I'll bring you into the UFC.

437
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,159
Speaker 1: So at that stage, once you start dealing with these

438
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: big US organizations, I think you do need a manager.

439
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 1: But a lot of managers I call it punching a ticket. Well,

440
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 1: it happens all over the world the US. I'll find

441
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 1: any kid with a winning record, here's our contract, sign it,

442
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 1: and then if they end up being good, then they'll

443
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 1: start putting the effort in. So I do things a

444
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 1: bit different without my own horn. But yes, most most

445
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: kids end up having managers unless you can have a

446
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: conversation and be like, look, someone's just trying to punch

447
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 1: a ticket on you early.

448
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 2: So then they bring you up and they say, well,

449
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: we want Israel to fight this person. Well you manage it, right,

450
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: don't you?

451
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, So what's the conversation?

452
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 2: Look like, dog way, maybe you ready or did you

453
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 2: know like you'd probably got to lose some might haves

454
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 2: lose some weight, or you've been living a good life

455
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 2: or hate feeling. But what's your conversation with your clients?

456
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: It's I've always taken like a very coach, a coach

457
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: heavy approach because like I live, I live in North America,

458
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Speaker 1: and like I'm not there with Israel every day. I

459
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Speaker 1: don't shape.

460
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Speaker 2: So you're you're a resident of the United States. Yeah,

461
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Speaker 2: I live in Mexico City, Mexico City. Yeah, but I've

462
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Speaker 2: been in North America for the past ten years. Mexho

463
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Speaker 2: City as in Mexico Yeah yeah, yeah, I live in

464
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Speaker 2: Mexico Yeah wow, live in Mexico. Yeah, you're a fucking Mexican.

465
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good. In Mexican Australia, well that's pretty cool. Yeah yeah, yeah,

466
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: I've been there for about three years. That's cool. Yeah.

467
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: And so so you're you're in Mexico, you're looking after

468
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Speaker 2: your client here in Australia, like or in New Zealand,

469
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 2: the matchmaker rings you up in Mexico.

470
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Speaker 1: Does that how it works? Or does the norm in

471
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Speaker 1: the coach we met, So I'll be the starting point.

472
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: Like often it's like once you get to Israel's level,

473
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 1: you've got a lot more leverage and it's a lot

474
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Speaker 1: more collaborative. So like take is he for example, he

475
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Speaker 1: took a year off, started around December this year, He's like,

476
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Speaker 1: you know, feeling like I'm ready to come back. I'll

477
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: chat with Eugene, his coach, and say, look is he

478
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: is he in shape? Is he ready to go? Is

479
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: Eugene from a city kickbook kids in Auckland? Is He'll

480
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: be like, look, I'm feeling good. Between February March is

481
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: March is type time? Is he doesn't really care about opponents.

482
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: Eugene Moore will me and Eugene will talk about an opponent.

483
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Speaker 1: I'll call Hunter Campbell in this case, Hunter deals with

484
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 1: the champions. Former champions call Hunter and just say, you know, look,

485
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: is he back wants to fight again? We're thinking around March.

486
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like who's around Hunter is very collaborative on

487
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: because is he's got you know, he's got gold in

488
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 1: that organization, can do what he wants. So I can say, look,

489
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: we spoke about I can He's an example because he's

490
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: got a fight booked. You know, we spoke about three

491
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Speaker 1: guys in the top fifteen. I had a preference towards

492
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: Joe Pytha. Spoke to Eugene said, look, I think we

493
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Speaker 1: can get Pipa. If that's who we want, go back

494
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Speaker 1: the hundred and go Look, is he wants Pythar because

495
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Speaker 1: he's iusy. That was the fight we got, right, I'm

496
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: doing like I have a similar conversation going on with

497
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Speaker 1: Jack Della right now. Similar Jack, Yeah, I was here

498
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: when you're he's gun. Yeah, I've got a good story

499
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: about that actually from after you left here. But yeah,

500
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: so for that, it's like the UFC wanting to fight

501
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: somebody where you want to fight somebody else. So that's

502
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: a bit of a negotiation.

503
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what do you do you sit no, I'm

504
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 2: not letting my client fight the go I mean, will

505
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: you say that?

506
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Speaker 1: I mean, in the end, I've always taken a position

507
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: that it starts and ends with the fighter. I'm never

508
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: and I think it's wrong if you're a manager to

509
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: pull the strings in that way, right, I'm not getting

510
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: in there, right. So, but you'll prosecute Jack jacksview? Yeah. Yeah.

511
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: So if I say, Jack, look, they really want this.

512
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: I know we really want this. They're putting their foot down.

513
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: You put your foot down. How do you want to

514
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: play this? And he may say I don't. I don't,

515
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: I don't really care. Let him have him. I'll fight him.

516
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: That's fine. So it really starts and ends with the

517
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: fighter in every single case, because you start trying to

518
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: pull the strings, yourself gets very very mess.

519
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 2: So Jack says, I'm not going to fight that guy

520
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: because I want to fight that bloke. Yeah, somebody else

521
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 2: fight number two. How do you negotiate with the UFC?

522
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: I meant the UFC say, well, you know, like I

523
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, do they sort of pull rank

524
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Speaker 2: on you?

525
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: Sort of?

526
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: It's our format, it's our business. You fight who we

527
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: want you to fight.

528
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: Everything's in negotiation. Right, Like you've done a million of negotiations.

529
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: It's it's what your leverage is. It depends how popular

530
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: he is. He's look, if Jack's not fighting this guy,

531
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Speaker 1: then he's not fighting. They can call your bluff and

532
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: say cool, he's not fighting, or they can say fine.

533
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: It's all comes down to what's what's the worst case

534
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,239
Speaker 1: scenario for them? Or do we want Jack or if

535
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: he's not going to fight, we have to do this.

536
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: Everything's in you know, the different levels you pull no

537
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: matter what. Right.

538
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: So, and at the UFC trying to fill a card

539
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: up with interesting fighters. So like I mean, they're not

540
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 2: every week now these but like they is that their

541
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: game is? It is it to put into the card

542
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: someone who they think will be interesting to the audience

543
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 2: in order to build pay for you. I mean, how

544
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: does that work?

545
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: The pay per views gone now in every it's gone

546
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: from the US, but they definitely stacked at the numbered events.

547
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: Still pay view here, though, isn't it. Yeah yeah, yeah,

548
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: at least this weekend is yeah. Yeah, for a few markets.

549
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: I think they're going to move away from it entirely.

550
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: But obviously eighty percent more than a percent of the

551
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: pay views came from the US, so that being gone

552
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: is a big difference.

553
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: But sort of still pay viewing that you have to

554
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: subscribe for paramount.

555
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think it's like eighty bucks a year

556
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: to watch though, yeah, on your Paramount plus. So they

557
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: definitely still the numbered events. They still put the bigger

558
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: names on and try and build those cards at big

559
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: market events typically they have their own facility the Apex,

560
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: which you know do not often put the bigger names on,

561
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: you know, so where they kind of build talent a bit.

562
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: So each card I think they want a few fights,

563
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: but definitely like these pay per views I guess now

564
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: they're called PL's premium live events, the numbered events put

565
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: a bit, you know, put the bigger names on.

566
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how would it like, how would your one

567
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: of your fighters get paid? Do they get a share

568
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: of the subscription that say paramoun plus is going to get,

569
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: or they get a share of the pay per view

570
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: that Fox he might get, or the Zone or wherever

571
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: I think it's Fox still here in Australia, Do they

572
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 2: get a share of that?

573
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: So it's very It's a big topic in the sport

574
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: right now because there's guys who had pay per view

575
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: revenue sharing in their contracts and those contracts are still going.

576
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: That's been spoken about a bit. Yeah, like that's you know,

577
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: you now got a material term of a contract that

578
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: they can't fulfill. So there's solutions. A buyout is really

579
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: the way to do. Like they say, they've got a formula.

580
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 1: What what I mean? It will end up being a buyout,

581
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: like for example, Della Jack Deler did a new deal

582
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: in this paramount era and we just went for a

583
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: larger amount of cash, a large retainer. Let's call it

584
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: just a flat fere cash because per FID or per year,

585
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: per fect you only get pay per fi right. But

586
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: like to me, pay per view has been declining rapidly,

587
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: like when I started doing this really yeah, either the

588
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: aunt we pay per view or you know a number

589
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: of people really declining wrap from the past from ten

590
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: years ago till every year seems to be getting worse

591
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: and worse. Why is it?

592
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: Because do you mean to reach a peak of well

593
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: viewing peak so to speak? I have my around the

594
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: world now, yeah, around the world everywhere.

595
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean there's firstly, when they moved to ESPN plus

596
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: talking to at UFC, you got two paywalls, you know,

597
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: an ESPN Plus subscription. Then you've got to pay the

598
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: pot pay per view. So the casual fan that buys

599
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: two payer views a year, I goes, I'm not signing

600
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: up for a year. Second thing is proliferation of VPNs.

601
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: Everyone uses a VPN and you can just VPN to

602
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: Europe where you get it for free. So you're sitting

603
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: in Australia or the US, but you're watching it in

604
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: India for free from your VPN. Illegal streaming is going

605
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: through the roof, Like I've generations Z blame as well,

606
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: challenge to some kids that I've never buyt a pay

607
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: per view, just stream it for free.

608
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

609
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then we live in this social media era

610
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, if I don't watch it live,

611
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: it's going to be on instat around thirty minutes afterwards

612
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: or ten seconds afterwards, so no one's really chasing those

613
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: live moments as much. Yeah, and with all that, pay

614
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: per view numbers have been gone down, down, down, Like

615
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: most of my guys will be lucky to get ten

616
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: percent of the perse value in pay per view.

617
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: Because I imagine someone would be unhappy. Some of the

618
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: fighters might be unhappy with it because like they're saying, well,

619
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm the artist.

620
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: Let's call it. I'm the artist on thiscation.

621
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: It's my content, But my content's my ability to reap

622
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: the financial benefits from my content is being is sort

623
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: of being siphoned off effectively by.

624
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: Kids who know to sort of get it for free,

625
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: and or we're adults to know to get it for free.

626
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: That must be sort of fairly confronting unless you're someone

627
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: like Volk, like even him, but you're not getting the

628
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: same number as a pay per view, that you're not

629
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: getting the same number of pay per view customers as

630
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: he would have got during the COVID period. For example,

631
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: when he resigned his deal in twenty twenty two or

632
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, a deal.

633
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: He fought Max for the second time. Kamara and Joe

634
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: is the main event.

635
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was That was a big one because

636
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: and I sort of recall having a conversation with him

637
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: at the time or probably more his manager at the

638
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: time that he got paid a fair bit to have

639
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: the fight and renegotiated a new pay per view.

640
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: Sure, a pay per view, but it was different if.

641
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: You were the world champion competitor, if you weren't the

642
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: world champion significantly different.

643
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's still in the sport. You lose your belt,

644
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: things change a lot and you got back to just

645
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: getting a retainer, call the call or feet per fight.

646
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

647
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: Typically it's like you have your normal fight, a title

648
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: challenge and a title defense to defense. When you're the

649
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: champs to height, everything's negotiable. Like again, when you're an iusy,

650
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: things that are kind of even because you're is an

651
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: artistagna and you're that guy everywhere you go people. Yeah,

652
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: a lot of guys, it's it's tiered based on kind

653
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: of what your belt status is, so and that that

654
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: all comes back to you.

655
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: I mean, that's your game is to negotiate the best

656
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: deal for these guys because a lot of them, you know,

657
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: they're going to concentrate on the training, so they don't

658
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: want to be thinking about trying to do a bloody deal.

659
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: There's a huge trust element. There's a huge trust element.

660
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: It's like it's funny because I've I've I've always I've

661
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: been doing this for so long and I've always my

662
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: perspective changed recently. I bought a house recently, and I

663
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: had an agent working for me, like a buyer's agent,

664
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: and I'm like the first time. I'm like, I've never

665
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: done that before. And I'm like, there's a lot, there's

666
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: a big knowledge gap for me in real estate. And

667
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: I've got this person that you just have to trust

668
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: that that they know what they're talking about, they have

669
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: your best interest and there and there they know this

670
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,239
Speaker 1: industry and what they're doing is correct. Did he come

671
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: refer to or is she come refer to you? Yeah? Yeah, yeah?

672
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, Wow, this is what it feels

673
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: like for my clients with me, and it was it

674
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: was a big I'd never thought about it, been in

675
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: that position, and I was like wow, because I felt

676
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: this kind of anxiety. I don't know anything about real estate.

677
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's in California. I don't know

678
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: what if they're doing everything correctly, if this is coden

679
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: what they're telling me, And I'm like, you should have

680
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: to trust people. And I imagine that's what my clients

681
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: feel when I work for Yeah, So wow, do you

682
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: build that trust? Well? I mean early on, early on,

683
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: Like some of my clients I've been with for years

684
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: and years, like Leon Edwards I've been with for nine years.

685
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: He was a groomsom at my wedding. He's one of

686
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: my best friends Jack. We grew up ten minutes apart

687
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: from each other in Perth. Easy. I've been with for

688
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: a long time. A lot of my clients I've got

689
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: these long relationships with, and I think there's a big

690
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: interpersonal part of it. I think you do better business

691
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: with people that you like, and you trust people that

692
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: you like like without romanticizing it, I'd like to think

693
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: that I'm very good friends with a lot of my clients,

694
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: or at least friends with all of them, very good

695
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: friends with some of them. That's a big bar of it.

696
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: And then I think they have to trust in my experience,

697
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: Like I can point to some very big deals I've

698
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: done in this sport, a lot of time with Connor,

699
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: a lot of time with Izzy at the top, a

700
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: lot of time with Max Holloway. Like having been there,

701
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: I can say with it, you know, with a clean heart,

702
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: to someone I've seen, if you want to be a

703
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: world champion, I've been there, I know what their contracts

704
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: look like. I've been on this journey from someone like Max,

705
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: who I started working with later in his career, and

706
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: it was kind of a career resurgence or someone like

707
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: Jack Della, who I worked with since he was on

708
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: the regional scene. Like I've seen it before, So hopefully

709
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: that builds credibility and I can say you.

710
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: Walk in with cred yeah yeah, but then then there's

711
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: a maintenance game, so you've got to walk in with credit.

712
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: In other words, I've got credit in the front of me,

713
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: but now I've got to prove it. Yeah, now you're

714
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: my client. I've now got to prove my credibility. Do

715
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: you guys all sort of all hang out together, like

716
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you're in Mexico there and all. Jackson Perth

717
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: Israel's probably in New Zealand somewhere.

718
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: I don't know where he is. Max Max still fighting, Yeah,

719
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: March seventh, Yeah, number three in the world.

720
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: He's still ranked. He's gone up to lightweight, so he's gone,

721
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,479
Speaker 2: he's going to be next division. Yeah yeah, okay, because

722
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it for a while.

723
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: He fought in and July against ustm Poria. Wow. Yeah,

724
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, you're right, Yeah, strong, and he's I

725
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: think he now he's the best he's been. Honestly. The

726
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: weight class has been a life changer for him. He

727
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: was builing himself down to Featherwell.

728
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. He was sort of like, and

729
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: as you get old, you get bigger. Naturally you can't

730
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: keep finding it the same weight you always thought it.

731
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, and you.

732
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: Probably get depleted. Do you get involved, that's what's up,

733
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: by the way, like you, I mean, like do you

734
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: talk to the dietitians And.

735
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got a good like Jordie Sullivan, who's

736
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: a great relationship with Jordie to speak to the coaches.

737
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: Like again, I'm always involved as much as they need

738
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: to me to be involved. Like even like I think,

739
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: I say, Geordie, Jordan Sullivan the fight dietitian. I rate

740
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: my ability to a certain extent of like analyzing who's

741
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: a good fight, Like I'm not a high level but

742
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: but I've been around it enough that like I think

743
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: I can give input on what's a good fight, a

744
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: good match up, but I always step back to the

745
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: coaches and the fighter. That's on them if they want

746
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: my opinion. I'm there. Same with nutrition and everything, so

747
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: you don't arrange nutrition. Is that more a coaching job?

748
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: I love the coach. Some have pre existing partnerships, but

749
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: if anyone comes to me and goes Hey, I'm looking

750
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: at changing your weight class or something like this. I'll

751
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: be like, speak to Jordie. I've got Geordie's got my

752
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: full trust and he's worked with he works with a

753
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: number of my athletes.

754
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: And for those people who don't know who taught me

755
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,959
Speaker 2: as Jordan Solomon, he's a Queensland guy, but he looks

756
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: after a lot of the big names like Israel.

757
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah I is he and lyon with me and he

758
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: looks after Volk. I just saw him put something. Actually

759
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: the food looks really good. Yeah. Does he cook the

760
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: food in themself? Is an amazing Jeordi is amazing. I

761
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: foolishly had a couple of multi fights last year and

762
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: he did all my stuff as well, which is a

763
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: different perspective changer again like actually I did when I

764
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: was younger, but now doing weight cuts and going through

765
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: his program, I've got completely different appreciation for Jordy again

766
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: doing all that. But he's a genius. Yeah, and he can.

767
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: But he's because I mean, like generally speaking for those

768
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: people who don't know, like the a lot of people

769
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: sort of when they're trying to do the weight cut

770
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: during the prep period just before the fied there rum

771
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: you know, eating all those prepared meals, which it's fine,

772
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: like they're great, but after always say you think you're

773
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: in cardboard and you're starving, you think you're starving, You're

774
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: not really you think you're starving.

775
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: But but Jordan has had a cook he can actually

776
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: put it together. Yeah. I think this whole thing is

777
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: like make them, make them feel like they're not cutting weight. Yeah,

778
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: they are cutting weight, but they feel like they're not cutting.

779
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: Which is certain in a stress away Yeah, yeah for sure.

780
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: And they train better, Yeah, for sure. So that's great

781
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: using Jordan. Some of them was Aussie, so that's that's great.

782
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I try and keep even though I've

783
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: been out of Australia for a long time, I keep

784
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, half my clients are Australians, deal my networks

785
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: Australia and try and keep myself here as much as

786
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: possible in a spiritual sense. In spiritual yes, So the

787
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: Mesico is sort of slightly different to Australia's a lot. Yeah,

788
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: it's a big difference living Meso City too. By the way,

789
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: you're not talking you're not rightly in ac or Pulco

790
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: or something. You know you're in right in the heart

791
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: of the guts of the joint, and Mexico City says

792
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: pretty it sort of can be a fairly hectic place. Yeah,

793
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: I mean, so I've been there three years now, Like

794
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: I struggle, like coming from Perth, I struggle with like

795
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: New York like because it's just skyscrapers, busy, it's so

796
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: much stimulus. I struggle being there longer than a week.

797
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: And Mexico City's got it's actually got a more dense

798
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: and higher population in New York City, but it doesn't

799
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: feel that way. It's very flat because of the earthquakes.

800
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: There's not like skyscrapers anywhere. It's very like it's dense,

801
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: but it's spread more. It's very green, So it doesn't

802
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: necessarily feel to me like as crazy as some other

803
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: big cities in the US. So even like London or

804
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: anything like that, feel a lot more like home, lot calmer.

805
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was hanging out in the right areas exactly.

806
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: It can be a bit hectic outside in the wrong area.

807
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you got to be you got to keep

808
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: your head screwed. Yeah. Yeah, it's very safe.

809
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: Can't be loosey, Yeah, it definitely can't be loose if

810
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: you just go back to for a second, and we

811
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: just want to talk about the preparation and your involvement

812
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: or manager's involvement with fighters. And let's just look at

813
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: someone current. So bam bam Tie to a Vasa. He

814
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: is one of your clients and he's fighting on the weekend.

815
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 2: What And that's probably one of the reasons you hear

816
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: at the moment in Sydney, so you'd be all camped

817
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 2: down at the Hilton where they usually put all the fighters,

818
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: well most of the UFCS. I think US has got

819
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: to deal with hill worldwide or something. By the way

820
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: you were talking earlier. I mean a lot of fighters

821
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: don't necessarily stay there, but Ty has chosen to stay there.

822
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: What's it like for You're you're managing him? So what's

823
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 2: it like for Tie and you staying at the Hilton

824
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: where it's a UFC basically a UFC hotel at the moment?

825
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: And when does he get there? So he's fighting on Sunday?

826
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: What day does he arrive at the hotel?

827
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he he got in on Monday. He did

828
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: his camp in Dubai. So he got back from Dubai

829
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: last Tuesday and then went back to his coach's place

830
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: in Penrith, finished camp in Penrith and then moved to

831
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: the Hilton on Monday night. So check in's Monday check

832
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: to the hotel. Monday. Tuesday's fight week check in. So

833
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: that's where you go in and basically say I'm here

834
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: for my fight. Sign all the paperwork, sign the posters.

835
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 1: Start doing media. When do you have to do media?

836
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: You do? So it's expected, Yeah, I mean it's in

837
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: your contract. It's in your contract. You ought to promote

838
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: in your UFC contract, yeah, and in your boat agreement,

839
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: like you've got to promote the fight, right. This is

840
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: an entertainment business. I was saying, first and foremost, it's

841
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: an entertainment business. So that's pushing pull as well. Sometimes

842
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: I'll get this media schedule from the UFC and I

843
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: have to be like, guys, this guy's fighting in five days.

844
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: Can we chill out on doing every single interview under

845
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: the sun? So that that that's again a push and

846
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: pool thing part of my job. But did media Tuesday Wednesday? Today?

847
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: We what does it mean by did media? So interviews

848
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: interviews with local, interviews with international that come in yesterday?

849
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: He did like a press junket then did like his

850
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: So the photographs for the fight, your green screen stuff

851
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: for the fight promotion that they're going to show on Sunday.

852
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: It all gets done on Tuesday and Wednesday two three

853
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: hours or so, and then you'll train a bit as well.

854
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: Today we did a bit of cross promo with the

855
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: Waratas and the Wallabies and then after this he's got

856
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: the press conference tonight and then tomorrow Waynes Saturday is free.

857
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: They have a fake Wait, how's it all work? Now?

858
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: Give official Waynes and ceremonial ways. That's just take me

859
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: through their part. So still in boxing, but tradition in

860
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: MMA it was just one way in. So when you

861
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: hit the scale in front of the crowd, you're on weight.

862
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: Which usually the day before. Yeah, it's the day before,

863
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: like four pm or something like that day before, so typically.

864
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be Friday four pm and then you

865
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: fight Saturday. Now, at least when in the US, nine

866
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: am is the official way in which day which day?

867
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: On the Friday day before the fight, between nine and

868
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: eleven am, there's a window that you come in and

869
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: weigh in. We're actually on your weight. Then you can rehydrate,

870
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: start eating, and then the ceremonial way ins, which is

871
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: effectively a show and a face off is that afternoon.

872
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: So it's the official way in official weight. There's no

873
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: face off.

874
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: It's just there're all the fires just turn up and

875
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: just line up. You get on the scales, you get

876
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 2: ticked off, you're okay, and then then you can start

877
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: to rehydrate. And I'm saying suggesting is dehydrated, but because

878
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: is big.

879
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: On, everyone's dehydrated. Sure, but.

880
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: Rehydrate and start eating up again and get yourself and

881
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 2: Geordie comes in and probably cooks up at the storm.

882
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: Does Jordan look after Tynah? He doesn't. He doesn't to himself.

883
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So but they eat up again and then they

884
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: go and do let's what I was referring to as

885
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 2: the fake Wayne where they actually get up and sort

886
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: of ceremonial.

887
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: But that's that's for entertainment. Yeah, that's the final time

888
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: they look at each other before they fight. And that's what,

889
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, the final shot of the media to promote

890
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: the fight. And you know, there's the athletic side. You

891
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: want to square off with your opponent. There's a big

892
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: psychological battle that goes on, but it's a media showcase,

893
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: your final chance to promote the fight. These are the

894
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: two guys on wait, two guys or two girls on

895
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: wait facing off. See you tomorrow night. So tires and

896
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: forth for a while, might come maybe a year and

897
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: a bit. Last was in Perth in twenty twenty four, more.

898
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 2: Year in a bit, a year and three four months.

899
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 2: So how's he going?

900
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: So you know we're not asking you to predictaus I

901
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: know what you're going to say, But how's he going?

902
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: How's he looking? I feel very confident. I'm shocked by

903
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: the odds. And I'm not even just saying that as

904
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: from a bias perspective. He's like I saw he was

905
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: at like three dollars fifty or something. What's what's the

906
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: form of his opponent? So Talison is this is only

907
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: Talisan's third UFC fight, and how many and we'res tie.

908
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: Now he's nine years in twenty eighteen he debuted. I

909
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: think he's probably at fifteen sixteen, so, I mean, look,

910
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: he's lost a few. So it's a step back as

911
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: far as level of competition because ty has lost a few.

912
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: But to the top guys in the world, absolutely top

913
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: Cyril gang Ye interim Champion SJ. Pablovich fought for a

914
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: world title. We'll goal fought for a world title. Like

915
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: all top guys. He's not been fight, not been losing

916
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: to the bottom of the guy. Yeah, so he's fought

917
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: good guys. Talis is the young upcoming guy. Right as

918
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: you said, in the UFC, you don't get chuneups. You

919
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: don't get chune ups in the UFC. Yep, but this

920
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: is a step back as far as I guess, name

921
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: value and Talison's had two fights in UFC, one one

922
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: lost one. You know, good fighter, young kid, tall, dangerous

923
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. Does his stand up or Yeah,

924
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: he's a kickboxer. I've never been out of the first round.

925
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: So he's never been past the first round. Nine fight,

926
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: it's never been past the first round. Be scared of him. Yeah,

927
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: young kid, and I like it a lot. Stilistically, I

928
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: like it a lot. I think if you get the

929
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: right version of Tye, this is a perfect match up

930
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: to get back on a roll. Is he a puncher

931
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: the other kid, Yeah, I mean most of them are

932
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: in heavyweight.

933
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

934
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's fall first round knockouts and then

935
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: he's one loss. He got knocked out in the first round,

936
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: so he's doing I die. I guess this is gonna

937
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: be cool. Yeah, Mom looked really looking forward to this. Yeah,

938
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: I feel good about it. I just so just seeing

939
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: the right of the past few years been rough on Tye.

940
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: Just seeing where he's at now. As soon as I

941
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: saw him this week, I just couldn't believe. It looks

942
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: like he's born again almost. Yeah, that's very excited.

943
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: Well, it must be amazing for him and also for

944
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: his family too, And if he can stay there, it's

945
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: going to be amazing for all these other businesses too,

946
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: because he'll take that into everything. So, like what comes

947
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 2: if he loses? I mean, look, I think his fifth

948
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: loss won't fourth.

949
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: He's on five at the moment, so he's still under contract, right,

950
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: He's still got several fights left on his contract. I

951
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: think with ty it's like he's such a personality. For Yah,

952
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: Look and I have these conversations. Frankly, it's like the

953
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: sport's better when he's in there totally knocking people out

954
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: and doing schewies. It's like, I've been all around the

955
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: world and like I'm telling you, like in the US

956
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: in particular, you've got a star studded fight show tied

957
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: to We've ars will get the biggest pop that he does.

958
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: People love Tye all over the world. They love Tye

959
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: and that and the US knows that, right, So he's

960
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: got not a lot of people can lose five fights

961
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: and still have their job, but they just know a

962
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: They love him because he's such a good person. He

963
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: does so much for him promotionally. He treats everybody with

964
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: respect and love. All the staff love him. Always puts

965
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: on a show either way, crowd loves him. So he's

966
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: got so much equity with the company that you know

967
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: he needs a win. He does need to win personally. Yeah,

968
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: and he for his own sake yeah yeah, yeah. But

969
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: by the way, from a fighting point of view, he's

970
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: such a great fighter. To watch him when he mixes

971
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: it up, he gets him close. He moves like a flyway.

972
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's unbelievable, and he can and he can throw

973
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: him and he's like really courageous. He's not there sort

974
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: of being strategic. Oh yeah, he's he gets into it. Yeah,

975
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 2: he will go toe to toe yeah yeah.

976
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

977
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: At the end of days, that's entertainment, that's a fight game.

978
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: It's an entertainment business. More than a sport, and he

979
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: can copy it. He can cop punch too, which is

980
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: and I love watching fight. I mean, I love the

981
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: guy rings also, but I love watching the guy. His

982
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: odds of did you say three bucks?

983
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's three fift I can't believe it, honestly from

984
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: some and obviously I'm biased, but from some I don't bet.

985
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: We can't bet in our position, but looking at that,

986
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: I would, I think they're terrible odds. So he's not

987
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: looking any No, no, you're not advising anyone to take

988
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: a better on it. But I'm surprised.

989
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 2: And how's he feeling though? How I mean you're saying

990
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: what your hows he feel?

991
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: Does he feel good? Yeah? I can I can tell.

992
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: I can tell. I mean the only he will really

993
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: know that. But he said it himself. He's like, feels

994
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: hungry again. He needed he said this week, something that

995
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: resonated with me. He's like, I had to want it again.

996
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: I think he got a bit comfortable and like was

997
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: kind of going through the motions. He was getting paid

998
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: very well. Now he said I needed to want it again.

999
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: I feel like he wants not just the paycheck, not

1000
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: just when he wants to be in there he said

1001
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: he wants to hurt somebody, So it's a scary way

1002
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: to think about it, but you think he's got that competitive,

1003
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: athletic hungry again.

1004
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: And if we could just talk about type for a moment,

1005
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 2: a little bit more about type, because he's a good

1006
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: example of the personality type of the character type, like

1007
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: the guy comes from basically nothing. You know, he's got

1008
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: a whole lot of people who rely on him for

1009
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: his support, financial support and just general support.

1010
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: He's got his communities that he sort of does a

1011
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: lot of stuff for.

1012
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: And you know, he's not going to become a lawyer

1013
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: because you know, you have to get universities I studying

1014
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: and all that stuff's too hard. But what he can

1015
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: do is he can build a great reputation, have a

1016
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: great following, and leverage those things.

1017
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: McGregor.

1018
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: Kondom made all his money out of the whiskey business

1019
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 2: the big time and now they're probably the big business too,

1020
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: but that's where he made his money and he got

1021
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: people to buy his stuff and a lot of fighters

1022
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: starting to do that sort of thing. Ty's done the

1023
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: same sort of thing with his drink West and he's

1024
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 2: got his other stuff going on. But his Drink West essentially,

1025
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: and as I understand it him Nathan and I think

1026
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 2: there's one of those tys is awesome.

1027
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: That's right, the three involved in Drink West. Is that

1028
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: a sort of thing that a manager talks to me about?

1029
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: Do you talk to me about that sort of stuff? Yeah?

1030
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: So I have a for him and all my clients. Yeah,

1031
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: So Tye's got a like I do, most of his

1032
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: fight staff and some international endorsements. He's got christinasu from

1033
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: from stewartvent Rice's what she goes by. She's his manager

1034
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: in Sydney that does a lot of his commercial stuff

1035
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: and his business partner and all of is and you

1036
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: know we help each other as a lot. So yeah,

1037
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: that part of like building what you can outside the cage,

1038
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: is a huge part of my job as well.

1039
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: Because you don't get many chances in life, like small window.

1040
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 2: It's a very small window, and you don't get many

1041
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: chances to stay relevant in terms of an audience. Ufcs

1042
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: are probably the toughest way to do it because you

1043
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: get to get a head punched in to do it.

1044
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: But like and train, by the way, it's not just

1045
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: the event, it's all the training you do. Building up

1046
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: to the event you getting the head punched into bed

1047
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: every day with somebody somehow, and it's sort of that's

1048
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 2: one of the reasons I have so much respect for

1049
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: these guys and girls. There's ridiculous what they put into

1050
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: these things. Does a manager.

1051
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: Actually someone in your role do you?

1052
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 2: Can you lean into the stuff you saw Connor McGregor

1053
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 2: do and sort of say, well, I remember kind of

1054
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 2: did this that and the other end?

1055
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: Make that made my work for you? Yeah, hundred percent

1056
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: all relevant experience. Like there's there's I guess there's like

1057
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: you got the athletic bucket, You've got your more standard

1058
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: sponsorships and endorsements, which is more transactional sign of contract

1059
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: for a certain amount of time. This what you do

1060
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: do some appearances and all that sort of stuff. A

1061
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: lot of social media now, but that equity building where

1062
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: you're actually building a business based on your celebrity is

1063
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: kind of an art in itself.

1064
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the way of putting equity building based on

1065
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 2: your celebrity status. And by the way, he's showy, that's

1066
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: part of his equity. Yeah, he owns that in the

1067
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: in the fight game, he definitely owns it. And this

1068
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: sort of becomes his brand.

1069
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah percent, and they've launched some products around that and

1070
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: you know, getting the trademarks in place. But to answer

1071
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: your question, yeah, it's like I learned a lot. You know,

1072
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: the Proper twelve. I was there from from ground up.

1073
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: Oh were you you were around Properly Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1074
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: that was that was a great ride. So it's kind

1075
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: of there from the inception and all that through the

1076
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: sale everything. So what I'll say is it's like not

1077
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: every athlete can do that, right, there's a lot out

1078
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: I've seen in the UFC a lot that start businesses

1079
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 1: based on their name. It's like Connor McGregor can sell anything,

1080
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: and he's proven he can because he's kind of McGregor. Yeah,

1081
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: depending on who you are, you can get a kickstart

1082
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: in your business, but in the end, you've still got

1083
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: to run a business. Kind of got every shortcut because

1084
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: he was he can sell any, put his name on

1085
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: anything himself. If you're not him, you also need a

1086
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: good business, you know what I mean, and their business

1087
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: partners exactly. And it's like you see, I think celebrity

1088
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: backed alcohol kind of was in that first wave and

1089
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: now everybody's got something right and a lot of them

1090
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: aren't doing well because it's in the end, get a

1091
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: bit of a head start because of your celebrity. But

1092
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: in the end, you need a great business and it's

1093
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: hard to pick what that is.

1094
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 2: You're right, you've got to actually have business partners. You've

1095
00:51:58,880 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: gotta have someone that's sort.

1096
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: Of looking art and you go back to the fundamentals,

1097
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: like what's the opportunity, what's your market? Don't just throw

1098
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: your name and say I'm going to sell you know,

1099
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: ten million cases of beer because I'm me. It's like, well,

1100
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 1: what's your actual Why would someone buy it? Exactly?

1101
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 2: Well, it might buy the first time, but why they

1102
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: buy it again? I might try it and will I

1103
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: buy it again. It's got to be a good beer.

1104
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: It's got to have a good brewery, a good brewery recipe,

1105
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 2: brewer recipe has got to be properly marketed. It's got

1106
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: to be well priced about it. I've got to be

1107
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: able to produce at a price that allows me to

1108
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: make a profit. Like it's there's so many factors that

1109
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: these are just business factors, normal business factors, exactly, And

1110
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 2: it's interesting someone like you, you know, that's the sort

1111
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: of advice that someone like you needs to be able

1112
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: to give to these individuals like your your your clients,

1113
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: your customers at the moment. And by the way, not

1114
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 2: every one of your clients wants to do this either.

1115
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: No, it's got to make sense. And I think people

1116
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: like people chase things that don't actually make sense. Like

1117
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: we've been approached Israel for a load of things, and

1118
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like there's a there's a multi

1119
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: miss million dollar business there for Israel. We've gone down

1120
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: the road of a few things. But it's also got

1121
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: to fit the person, you know what I mean, Like

1122
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: Jack Dela Madelaine is not going to do a whiskey company.

1123
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's kind of caught fire at the

1124
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: right time. But it's got to be something that's actually

1125
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: natural to them, something they actually want to sell and

1126
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: actually want to use, and it's going to make sense

1127
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: in that regard. And like some people like I've got

1128
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: Leon Edwards for example, Right, he's not going to be

1129
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: pushing a consumer product, so he doesn't like to push anything,

1130
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: but he's put his money in the right place. He's

1131
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: investing in it, so he'll secure his wealth another way.

1132
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: Jack will secure his wealth another way do you support

1133
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: them in where they where they invest money. So I'm

1134
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: not a financial planner and I'm not an accountant, but

1135
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: I have in different parts of the world my go

1136
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: tos and can recommend them or refer them to. Yeah. Yeah,

1137
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: so like that that's a big thing for me. It's

1138
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: like step one. Like it's interesting now it's working with

1139
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: some of these younger kids that I'm starting with, like

1140
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: getting the company in place, getting all these things in

1141
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: play before you blow up, is completely different to guys

1142
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: that I start working with who are already there and

1143
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: so now it's a clean up and fix everything and

1144
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: then go. But by building those like those financial building

1145
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: blocks where I can say, pick your financial advisor, pick

1146
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: your accountant, let's make your company and build from there

1147
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: without me actually doing I can build the infrastructure and

1148
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: let the experts do the expert work. But setting that up.

1149
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: As long as I've done that and they've got the

1150
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: building blocks to financial freedom and long term wealth, then

1151
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: I think I've done my job. But the actual specific

1152
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: parts of it I'll leave to the experts.

1153
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: I have one final question for team, if you don't mind,

1154
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 2: and hopefully you or prepare to answer, it should what

1155
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: should Wolk do post this?

1156
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: Fine, Well, I hope he wins. I believe you will win.

1157
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: And then I think it's hard to tell, like like,

1158
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: I don't manage him, I don't know him. I'm good

1159
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: mates with his manager, I'm good mates with Vulk. I

1160
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: think if he wants to walk away, he can. From

1161
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: the sounds of things, he doesn't as long as he

1162
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: is feeling physically able and motivated, motivation and disciplined never

1163
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: his issue. He's the most disciplined bloke ever. I think physically,

1164
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: if he's okay, I think he should continue. If that's

1165
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: what he wants to do, will he go down as

1166
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: the greatest of all time? The goat in that division?

1167
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: I think at this stage, you know, it's it's an

1168
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: interesting conversation. There's him, there's Connor, there's Max, and there's

1169
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: Jose Aldo Yeah, and those four well Jose, I think

1170
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: Max and god Jose. So everyone's beat Jose, but he

1171
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: was like that legacy from before. It was the early doors.

1172
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, and then you know they're Max, but

1173
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: they're head the trilogy. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard few your plant.

1174
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 1: I started working with Max after that chapter of them together.

1175
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: That was good for me as an Australian, but you know,

1176
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: yeah that there there's For me, there's a distinction between

1177
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: the best of all time and the greatest of all time.

1178
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: The best and the greatest are different, Okay, how would

1179
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: you put it? So? The best I see it as

1180
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: who if you put this form of this person against

1181
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: anyone else in their weight class, who would win the fight?

1182
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: Who's the best of all time, of all time? And

1183
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 1: then the greatest to me is accolades Like for example,

1184
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: I think Muhammad Ali is the greatest of all time,

1185
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: but I think Alexander Yusik would destroy him because that's

1186
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: just the way the sport goes. People get better and bigger,

1187
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: and so there's difference between the greatest and the best.

1188
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: In my opinion, Holloway pal for pounds standing in front

1189
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: of someone just duking it out.

1190
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's amazing and his body of work like he's

1191
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 1: coming to UC when he was twenty, he's thirty three,

1192
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: thirteen years at the top, and he after you know,

1193
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 1: for the past ten he's only fought in the top five.

1194
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: He I believe he's going to win a belt back.

1195
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: Who will become the undisputed champion again? And I believe

1196
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: he's in the conversation for the greatest of all time

1197
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: because his tenure and his longevity and what he's done.

1198
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: When he goes back on a title seven years after

1199
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: his first title rang and he's still at the top,

1200
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: he's still top three in the world. I think once

1201
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: you look at it on paper, and the moments in

1202
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: an entertainment business, the moment business, like sorry, it's a

1203
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: business of moments, and the moments that Max has provided,

1204
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: I think Max will go down arguably the greatest of

1205
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: all time if he concludes this story the.

1206
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: Way, especially if he gets another division. Yeah, Like, I

1207
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: think John Jones the only one that's done properly. Like

1208
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 2: you know, he went from too heavyweight, but from the

1209
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: lower division, what.

1210
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: Is it, it was light heavyweight. Now he's a heavyweight.

1211
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean Dana Tommy he Reckons, he's the

1212
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: grades of all time.

1213
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: Yep, Dana's very staunchful and yeah, and then greatest, greatest

1214
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: again again to the greatest and best, I would say

1215
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: John Jones as the as the best. I put Jones

1216
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: in there with anyone who probably wins. But then you go,

1217
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: who's the greatest greatest?

1218
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: To me?

1219
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: Again, goes to accolades. I feel like either George Saint

1220
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: Pierre or and some Silver is the greatest. So I'll

1221
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: like to make the distinction of greatest and best mate.

1222
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: What's the Jack story? So we were here with you.

1223
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: This was when was it Sydney last year and Jack

1224
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: was here on a media run to fight Leon in March.

1225
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: That was a fight that was happening. We were in

1226
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: this studio. As we left the studio in the car

1227
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: going to the next media commitment, was when I got

1228
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: the phone call from Hunter Campbell that the matchmaker, yeah,

1229
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: that that the title fight had fallen out and Jack

1230
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: is now being moved into the title fight in Maine Montreal.

1231
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: That's why I remembered here because it was as we

1232
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: were driving out of this studio I got the call.

1233
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: Jack was sitting next to me, wow, and Hunter was like,

1234
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: don't say anything to Jack yet because there's moving pieces,

1235
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, you see you next to me,

1236
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: I have to So as we were leaving this studio,

1237
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: we got the call that shaff Cats injured. We're moving

1238
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: Jack into the title fight. Sorry, you're over in Sydney

1239
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: promoting a different fight. Let's cut that media go home

1240
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: and we're going to start fresh in a couple of weeks. Wow,

1241
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: that's why this studio was eve some moments. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Well,

1242
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: well I really hope.

1243
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: By the way, Tyger kicks ass on the weekend. Obviously,

1244
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 2: I hope Volk does too. But being tied in your.

1245
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: Client, so give him my best and I'll be watching

1246
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: mate with a great deal of relish. Yeah, we've got

1247
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: to get him in here.

1248
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 2: I'd love to see him again, and we'll do a

1249
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: shore again and telling him to bring a case of

1250
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: his beer in, like, we'll get his beer and we'll

1251
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: sit out the front there and we'll do a shoe

1252
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: in the street and get.

1253
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: Him all looking done. Are you going on Sunday?

1254
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: Now?

1255
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go. I'll be honestly, I don't.

1256
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: It's too crowded, too noisy, and I get a much better.

1257
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 2: I love it so much. I'm a tragic and I

1258
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 2: have to watch it like on TV, no distractions.

1259
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: On the same if I'm not there for work, I'll

1260
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: never go to it. I want to watch it absolutely

1261
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: no distractions.

1262
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 2: I want to be able to concentrate everything and sort

1263
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 2: of like especially someone like Vulk, like when he's on

1264
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: the ground. I mean, I just love because I've been

1265
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: doing jiu JITs for a while now, and I just

1266
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 2: I'm trying to work out.

1267
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a great ju JITs.

1268
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: He expanded it, but I'm trying to work out or

1269
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: learn what's he doing because he's he can see you can.

1270
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: Sort of nearly he's experience when you're trained well. For

1271
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: to me, it's like he's giving a lesson, like.

1272
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: He sort of does it in slow motion a little bit,

1273
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: getting out of a choke or whatever, like a guillatine,

1274
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,479
Speaker 2: like getting out of those positions like whoa, what the fuck?

1275
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Jiu jitsu is one of those sports where if

1276
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: you know it, you see it in a different way.

1277
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: Like I grew up playing footy, but I'm not going

1278
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: to watch an AFL game. Oh that clicks in my age. Yeah,

1279
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Speaker 1: But in jiu jitsu, it's like because it's a sport

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01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: built on building blocks, yeah yeah, and sequences, you tell it.

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Speaker 1: You can watch it live and go shit on it totally.

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Speaker 2: And I find when you're there, it's a great experience

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Speaker 2: to be there, Don't be wrong. It's wonderful experience. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I love Sydney, but I thought Perth was amazing. When

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Speaker 2: Jack Ford a couple of years ago volcan that was

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Speaker 2: that was a great event. Perth people went I've only

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Speaker 2: been once. We went go nuts at the stadium. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk about yeah, and last was vibrating. It's mental and

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Speaker 2: Sydney is the same. But it's just it's bigger, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and typical Sydney. But Perth we just went went nuts

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Speaker 2: and but and it's a great vibe.

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Speaker 1: But getting on me wrong. I love the vibe. But

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Speaker 1: if I really want to get the technical side of things,

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Speaker 1: I got to watch it. Yeah, I'm the exact same.

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Speaker 1: I go for work obviously when I got clients fighting

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Speaker 1: outside from that, I'll pick the couch one hundred out

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Speaker 1: of one hundred times. Yeah, and you're in control. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what happened?

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Speaker 2: I got your own bathroom and Tim, finally, do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: You get anybody up in the White House cart.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping, yeah, I hope. I mean that's pretty hectic,

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Speaker 1: that's mad. I love well. We you know the thing

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Speaker 1: where the president brings in like the Super Bowl champions

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Speaker 1: or the Olympic gold medalist. They were planning on bringing

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Speaker 1: all the UFC champions to the White House one of

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Speaker 1: those big photo things last year when Jack was the champion,

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Speaker 1: So we were going to go to the art which

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Speaker 1: would have been crazy. Two kids from Perth in the

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Speaker 1: White House. But I hope I get someone on the

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Speaker 1: card that will be a good story. We've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of good stories on this journey. That would be

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Speaker 1: another good story.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, you know you said something really important there

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Speaker 2: and I want to finish on this. It's you're right,

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Speaker 2: it's two kids from Perth. I mean, a kid from Perth.

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Speaker 1: Look at you. You ever thought this of like scratch yourself?

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Speaker 1: Is this real? Here? I am living in Mexico City.

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Speaker 1: I've got these.

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Speaker 2: I've got a list of clients who, some of whom

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Speaker 2: have been some of the best fighters in their division

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Speaker 2: of all time and still are great fighters. I'm now

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Speaker 2: talking to the next group of young fighters coming through.

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Speaker 2: They will want to be the same as the people

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Speaker 2: that I'm now managing. And I'm just a kid from Perth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah something, it's you get caught up in it because

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Speaker 1: life moves so fast. But I think the past few

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Speaker 1: years things have happened and I've had chances to be

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Speaker 1: kind of proud. I don't you know. In the end

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Speaker 1: you're just you are just a kid from Perth. It's

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Speaker 1: not We're Australians. We don't put ourselves on the back

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Speaker 1: that much. But I'm very grateful. I'm very very grateful

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Speaker 1: things of I've had a crazy life because I've I've

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Speaker 1: got a lot of a lot of crazy things that

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Speaker 1: have happened in my life. And I'm lucky. I'm lucky

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Speaker 1: in so many ways.

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Speaker 2: Well that's a typical Aussie response. And and by the way,

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Speaker 2: that's what makes you who you are. So well done,

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Speaker 2: make congratulations, appreciate it.