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Speaker 1: Welcome to the heart of it.

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Speaker 2: We are recording this podcast on gadigl Land.

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Speaker 3: My sweetheart, Hi you are you are buzzing?

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Speaker 1: I am?

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Speaker 2: I feel really a creatively gone or it's just just

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Speaker 2: dropped into a whole delicious soup of.

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Speaker 4: Musical Yeah we do.

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Speaker 3: The room has been a buzz with Australian Country Music Royalty.

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Speaker 2: Right performer Gina Jeffries and her musical maestro husband Rod.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And Gina of course is one of the host of

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Speaker 3: Star one oh four point five and so she's a

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Speaker 3: gorgeous part of the Nova family.

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Speaker 4: But beyond that.

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Speaker 3: You wait till you hear the things this woman has

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Speaker 3: done in her life and her husband. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: don't want to give too much away because it's just incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just a bit about Rod, because we

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Speaker 2: didn't really get into it so much. He was awarded

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Speaker 2: the inaugural CMA A Musician of the Year in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and six with Australia. He's won multiple Producer of

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Speaker 2: the Year awards aside from working with with Gina.

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Speaker 1: Now and Gina, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, this guy's he his guitar Champion of Australia, Banjo champion,

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, either.

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Speaker 4: I would say all things stringed. Yeah, yeah, Rod knows

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Speaker 4: how to play yeah, and particularly.

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Speaker 3: Acoustic I think too, isn't it mandolin?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And just how attuned his ear is, which you'll

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Speaker 2: hear during the chat.

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Speaker 4: And then and then Gina is a performer.

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Speaker 2: That got her start like in the early nineties ninety

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Speaker 2: one one Tamworth Starmaker the year after Keith Urban had

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Speaker 2: a career, a great career and performing in front of troops.

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Speaker 2: And he's team or with with Farnzie Kyleie and.

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Speaker 3: She's a big, big star and has done incredible amounts

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Speaker 3: and that you know, they they love mentoring, you know,

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Speaker 3: the younger musicians coming through, and there's so there's so much,

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Speaker 3: but we just want you to have a listen and

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Speaker 3: enjoy it as much as we did.

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Speaker 1: So have a listen to Gina and Rod.

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Speaker 4: Welcome Gina and Rod.

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Speaker 3: Hi, guys, this is this is royalty we've got in here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is a big music country music,

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Speaker 2: a strange country music royalty, very special. First of all,

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Speaker 2: before we go like into what's happening around today and stuff,

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Speaker 2: you guys seem to have been together for an age.

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Speaker 1: Do you even remember when you met.

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Speaker 6: Still.

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Speaker 7: Really, we really do. One of us remembers as long

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Speaker 7: as one of you remembers.

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Speaker 5: Remind but not for the reason you're thinking. I was

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Speaker 5: just over elmed. I met Rod in ninety one, that

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Speaker 5: year that I won Starmaker in Tnworth and Keith Urban

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Speaker 5: had just presented my award and I was kind of

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Speaker 5: like just completely over everything and I didn't even notice

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Speaker 5: I met Rod. He was backstage that year, but we

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Speaker 5: didn't get together.

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Speaker 7: For big impression.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to say, what was it?

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Speaker 1: What was it that detracted you?

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Speaker 6: Not much?

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Speaker 3: Do you remember it though? Right were?

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Speaker 7: I was just there because I'd worked with Keith the

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Speaker 7: year before when he won, and I figured i'd be

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Speaker 7: working with that year's winter. I thought I'll just go

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Speaker 7: And it was Gina and we just met said hi,

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Speaker 7: and that was it.

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Speaker 5: I remember.

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Speaker 4: She was a rock star almost he was a burgeoning

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Speaker 1: He had a bigger fish to fry.

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Speaker 3: So cut to sort of like eight ish sort of

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Speaker 3: years later, right then you re met or.

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Speaker 5: No, we worked together? So Rod and I probably my

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Speaker 5: biggest song of my career, probably unfortunately, but it's a

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Speaker 5: song called Girls Night Out, which was kind of a

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Speaker 5: bit of a country girl's little anthem thing that Rod

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Speaker 5: and I wrote together with Garth Porter, who was the

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Speaker 5: hand man at the time. And all of my songs

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Speaker 5: We weren't a couple yet, but I just remember thinking, God,

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Speaker 5: he's the nicest person I've ever met in my life.

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Speaker 5: But Rod was married. I had a boyfriend, David, and

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Speaker 5: everyone still calls Rod David. While we were in the

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Speaker 5: right spot yet, but about probably four years later. So

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Speaker 5: we started with friendship, really really good friends. And then

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Speaker 5: Rod's got divorced and I was single, and we you know,

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Speaker 5: I think I made the first move.

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Speaker 1: Actually, as you're writing a song.

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Speaker 5: Rod was out in my band filling in for my

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Speaker 2: It's very complicated, David.

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Speaker 5: And it was Rod's birthday and I said, at midnight,

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Speaker 5: I got it. I've got a bottle of red out

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Speaker 5: I said, close your eyes, and he closed his eyes

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Speaker 5: and I kissed him and I gave him this bottle

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Speaker 5: of red. But I felt pretty sure he was going

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Speaker 5: to accept me because I'd already asked the backing vocalist

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Speaker 5: in my band, do you think it likes me? Like

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Speaker 5: when you're in school?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I love it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I kind of felt like I wasn't going

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Speaker 5: to get knocked back. But I made the first move.

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Speaker 3: How is that right?

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Speaker 7: I kind of expected it, and I thought, okay, she

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Speaker 7: just grabbed the free wine out of the rider backstage,

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Speaker 7: and you know, no, it was good. We had We

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Speaker 7: had fun. But we stayed up half the night and

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Speaker 7: then till till the next day, till till daylight. When

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Speaker 7: we were in wooll Googa, I remember that and Whoopee

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Speaker 7: we had to fly back to Sydney Airport pick up

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Speaker 7: my car and then we had to drive to a

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Speaker 7: festival in Canberra.

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Speaker 5: You were driving without me. You were playing Lee Kernigan's

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Speaker 7: Oh, that was might have been with Lee. Yes, So anyway,

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Speaker 7: I remember getting to the airport, picked up my car

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Speaker 7: and hopped in it to drive and went, oh, I'm

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Speaker 7: way over the limit. There's no way I can drive

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Speaker 1: You smart.

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Speaker 3: And what you mentioned Gina that it was sort of

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Speaker 3: the kindness of Rod that attracted you.

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Speaker 6: Is that?

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Speaker 3: What was it for you? Right with Gina?

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Speaker 7: Well, we we'd gotten close, we'd written your first album

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure, and we'd just gotten really close and

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Speaker 7: we just felt like really good friends and it was

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Speaker 7: all I think it was always going to be something more.

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Speaker 5: Maybe it was a massive, like a massive once we

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Speaker 5: realized attraction and just such a freaking big love, you know,

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Speaker 4: Just like but that grew though, right, that was it grew?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: It was probably a respect. Was it a musical respect

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Speaker 4: for each other?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? That for sure? My respect for Rod as a

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Speaker 5: musician and a songwriter. And he was hot. He had

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Speaker 5: a mullet, Like, really, did you have a mullet?

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Speaker 8: Did?

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Speaker 4: Thinking about it now though, I can probably rocket.

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Speaker 1: Now the shaved side was totally mate.

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Speaker 2: Xander here our producer has has the shaved heads shaved.

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Speaker 5: On the side of the modern mullet. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 5: you could rock it, Rocket, But yeah, we just fell

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Speaker 7: But even then it was slow going. I mean we

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Speaker 7: we I think we might have lived together for a

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Speaker 5: Had two kids, and he was real slow with introducing

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Speaker 5: he still has.

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Speaker 3: Right were they when you first got together?

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Speaker 7: They would have been around about ten and four?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So doing the math, now, how are they now.

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Speaker 5: Ten and four? They're not six years apart, they're three

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's ten four.

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Speaker 7: Good buddy thirty eight and thirty five. And my daughter Bray,

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Speaker 7: he's in Sydney. He's local still, which is great. And Jimmy,

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Speaker 7: my daughter lives has lived in North Hollywood now for

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Speaker 7: about ten years.

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Speaker 1: She in the business.

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Speaker 7: Yes, she's like a DJ producer, but she makes her

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Speaker 7: own beautiful records. In fact, I'm going over there next

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Speaker 7: And she she's like new age music. It's like yeah, difference,

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Speaker 7: Like it's really really interesting and really beautiful. And she's

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Speaker 7: got this brand new album with a beautiful Nashville classical

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Speaker 7: doing like a bunch of things together next next week,

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Speaker 3: How amazing? What was that like for you becoming sort

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Speaker 5: Was that was that a hard? It was really hard. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't natural at it because I'm really young in

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Speaker 5: I'm not an old soul. I'm just so I always

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Speaker 5: I was. So. Yeah, I really struggled with it at first.

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Speaker 5: First twenty years was hard. And now it's great. Like

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Speaker 5: I'm really really close with jem and Brady's beautiful rod Son,

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Speaker 5: and we have a son as well, Jackie.

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Speaker 5: Jackie's twenty two and he's a musician as well, record producer.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, so it's lovely. We kind of all share music.

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Speaker 5: and he'd make up these and give the kids nightmares.

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Speaker 5: And I'd be like, is this what you're supposed to

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Speaker 5: do with small children? I think this was right? And yeah,

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Speaker 5: so I was brand I think I'm a really great

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Speaker 5: at the start, it was really hard.

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Speaker 2: you say, it's hard enough becoming I think, becoming a parent,

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Speaker 2: because you can read all the books and stuff, but

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Speaker 2: it doesn't nothing equips you for when you're sitting in

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Speaker 2: that come. And then as they get older, and they

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Speaker 2: had this bushback, and I wanted to love me, so

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Speaker 4: Because they were all that business.

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Speaker 2: But then to actually have fully formed humans in front

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Speaker 7: Yeah and previous yeah, that's right. Incredible. Johnny Cash and

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Speaker 7: Look, it's a It's one of those iconic things in

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Speaker 7: you've done it a bunch, but you get to do it.

445
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 7: We had a songwriter friend that we'd written a song

446
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,120
Speaker 7: for a little girl in Gena's fan club who died

447
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 7: from leukemia and we'd written a song about it, and

448
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 7: with our friend Jerry, who's a songwriter in Nashville, and

449
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 7: he said, I think the first time I'm coming out

450
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 7: to the Opry, would you guys like to come out

451
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 7: with me and play with me? And we did that.

452
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 7: So we've been there before. We'd been backstage where it's

453
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 7: incredible because all of the icons and all of your

454
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 7: favorite singers have been there and were there. I mean,

455
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 7: and we've been there. I think the night you saying,

456
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 7: Alan Jackson was there and people like that. I mean

457
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 7: there's a lot of Yeah, George Straight, yeah, all of those.

458
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 7: George Straight doesn't do it as often, but yeah, it's

459
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 7: like but it's it's just amazing. So then you got

460
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 7: asked if you would when we were there, I think

461
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 7: in ninety six, we took it and all the record

462
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 7: labels in Australia got together and sent a contingent to

463
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 7: Nashville to do a bunch of showcases and a bunch

464
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 7: of things, and you got asked to do the opry.

465
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 5: So we went and did that amazing, you know, because

466
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 5: it's like a bucket list thing. As a country music

467
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 5: singer growing up as a kid and coming from to

468
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 5: Woomber in Queensland, I'd be thinking, well, you know, that's

469
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 5: going to be hard to make happen, and then it

470
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 5: did happen. And I think one of my favorite things

471
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 5: about that that we shared that together is you know,

472
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 5: it's part of the tapestry of our history as a

473
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 5: couple that no one can and replace, you know, like

474
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 5: the birth of your children, and there's these memories that

475
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 5: are just so precious just to us that we got

476
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 5: to share that together, and it really it's it's a

477
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 5: real I think those moments really stitch it together.

478
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 3: You know, are there other pinnacle moments for the both

479
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 3: of you them? And obviously that's a huge one, but

480
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 3: what are some other pinnacle moments that you've sort of

481
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 3: shared together in your careers?

482
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 7: Gosh, they're so meick going to China?

483
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, we went to China for their for

484
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 5: News Eve and I got to sing and Rod played

485
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 5: guitar with me and I had to sing, you know,

486
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 5: thinking I was going to sing one of my songs.

487
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 5: I think I did sing Girls Earn Out or something

488
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 5: like that. But then when we got there, they decided

489
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 5: that they wanted me to sing their version of like

490
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 5: it would be like Wolsey Matilda in Australia, like a

491
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 5: very well known kind of folk song that I had

492
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 5: to learn with. We had a Chinese interpreter with us

493
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 5: who taught me how to sing it and I had

494
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 5: to learn it phonetically because I don't speak Mandarin obviously. Well,

495
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 5: so we had to learn this and my my security

496
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 5: blanket and it went out live on TV.

497
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 7: To one point two billion people billion.

498
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 5: My lord, yeah, it was massive, so I was. And

499
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 5: it was this concept where they had I think it

500
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 5: was called sales across the seven seeds.

501
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 7: Across the seventh seeds from around the world Center Get.

502
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 5: And it was like different, Like there was a pop

503
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 5: group from Sweden and an opera singer from America and

504
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 5: this country singer from Australia May and just all different

505
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 5: kind of genres and representing the world kind of thing.

506
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 5: And I thought, all right, I can do this. I

507
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 5: can do this. And I decided what would help me

508
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 5: would be if Rod would learn it as well. And

509
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 5: I just look lovingly into his eyes and read his

510
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 5: lips to help me with the lyrics. So that was

511
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 5: how I was going to get through this full most

512
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 5: famous song in Mandarin. That's okay, I'll be fine, I'll

513
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 5: do it that way. But once we got there to

514
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 5: rehearse with all the producers and stuff, they said to

515
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 5: our translator, no, no, no, no, she must look forward. So I'm like,

516
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 5: oh shit, now I have to look this way. I

517
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 5: haven't got my security blanket anymore. And the thing about

518
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 5: I know so little about the language, but I do

519
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 5: know the inflections up or down can change the words meaning.

520
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 5: So I was so nervous that I was going to

521
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 5: accidentally say, your grandmother ate a rotten egg or something

522
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 5: instead of whatever. The message of the song was.

523
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: The wind through the seas win.

524
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 5: Yes, that was Yeah, that was pretty incredible to do

525
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 5: that together and to travel to travel to China, and

526
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 5: we've traveled all over the world, which has been pretty

527
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 5: pretty fun. But having having the kid was Jackie, will.

528
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: You when you did a lot of that stuff.

529
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 5: No, so our kid who's this musician now and tours

530
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 5: and takes off and goes to Nashville without us and

531
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 5: totally independent. As a baby, he was a really, really

532
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 5: cassick kid and we would drive to like the shopping

533
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 5: center from our house and we'd have to pull over

534
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 5: because he, you know, be sick. And then when we

535
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 5: went on holidays, we can never take the winding rode

536
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 5: back from camping or whatever because he was just a

537
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 5: really cassick kind of kid. So I couldn't tour. So

538
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 5: I stopped and a lot of my girlfriends took their

539
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 5: babies on tour and they slept in guitar cases. You know,

540
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 5: Casey Chambers, Baky Cole, you put the baby in a

541
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 5: guitar case on the side of the stage while you

542
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 5: went on Yeah, and mine, there's just no way. And

543
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 5: he would only sleep in one of our arms. He

544
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 5: was because I was a cling on mother, but he

545
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 5: he just wasn't a tour y kind of a kid,

546
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 5: and I took his pretty much his whole childhood off.

547
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 5: I wanted to never miss a football game as well,

548
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 5: and I didn't want to miss bedtime stories, and so

549
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 5: I stopped. And he said to me the other day, Mum,

550
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 5: how come you know, I say, Gimpy is on at

551
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 5: the moment, the Gimpy country music Muster. How come you're

552
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 5: not headlining at something like that anymore? I said, because

553
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 5: of you, I stopped for like twelve years ten or

554
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 5: twelve years gone?

555
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I want to ask you about that.

556
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 5: You know, he's turned out to be a beautiful, beautiful human.

557
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 5: He's really well adjusted, and it's unfortunate. It's usually the

558
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 5: woman that has to like the dad's keep touring, and

559
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 5: they do. But anyway, I made that choice, and we're

560
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 5: glad we did because he's a really beautiful boy.

561
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: Just to that point of you know, twelve years is

562
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: like two generations of people go through and then suddenly

563
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: you're out of a memory. Like Alie and I have

564
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: a situation where we moved to the States. We were

565
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: there for twenty five years, and we were there from

566
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: ninety what ninety two to twenty seventeen, And I mean

567
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: I sort of stayed in the in the light a

568
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: bit in Australia, doing different things, but not really so

569
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: you know, it's sort of we feel like our people

570
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: that know who we are are really people who were

571
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: in the eighties and the early nineties, and then sort.

572
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: Of and then the little bits and smatters.

573
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 2: But it's sitting in front of you two now, and

574
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: you could be walking.

575
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 4: Down the street and people do not know the.

576
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: Scope of your professional career and how I mean just

577
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: the fact that you told you're bringing up names like

578
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash and Chris Christopherson and playing to a billion people,

579
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: you know, and spending time on the opery stage not

580
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: once being asked back, and doing all these great things.

581
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: And then suddenly you like just conjures up images of

582
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: like people sitting in old in retirement homes who have

583
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: had these incredible lives but we don't ask them about

584
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: their life and they're.

585
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 4: Sitting on these amazing stories.

586
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: Oh it gives me goosebumps to know what people do

587
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: in their lives and how just that's a life just

588
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: sort of goes by.

589
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 5: And keep asking you do we do?

590
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: We have to stay curious about it. But are you

591
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: keeping You're continuing to sing and think? Are you back

592
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: doing it again?

593
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 5: Yeah? Not as much as I used to, because of

594
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 5: now I'm doing breakfast radio. And we kind of fell

595
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 5: into that. We were moving to Nashville. We'd sold our

596
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 5: we sold our car, and we had two houses. Rod

597
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 5: was heading to Nashville. We decide in between these two

598
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 5: houses and COVID hit And I remember that day saying

599
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 5: to Rod, don't get on that plane. This doesn't feel right.

600
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 5: And he went now to be fine, It'll be fine,

601
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 5: and his best friends are calling Rod, we don't think

602
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 5: you should fly today. And Rod's flight was the day

603
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 5: that the Prime Minister shut Australia down and he didn't go.

604
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 5: So if he had gone, he would have got stuck

605
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 5: in America for a while. Anyway. You know, then we

606
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 5: all know what happened with COVID. But that just changed

607
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 5: the whole trajectory of what our plan was. Because Jackie,

608
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 5: our son, we let him leave school early because he

609
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 5: hated school, but he was outstanding at music and producing.

610
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 5: He come home from school and going, mom, look what

611
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 5: I made it did in maths today, And I'd be like, oh,

612
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 5: show me. He put headphones under his hair and produced

613
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 5: a song on his laptop instead of listening.

614
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 8: You know.

615
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 5: So he from year ten was obviously he was going

616
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 5: to have to study at studios, so he did study

617
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 5: at a studio up on the coast called The Grove

618
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 5: for his year eleven. And then twelve we were we

619
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 5: hadn't booked into Blackbird Studios in Nashville, and we were

620
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 5: going to go, okay, well this will be all year

621
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 5: twelve year, but that was COVID, so it just changed

622
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 5: changed our plans. And Rod's mum got sick. My mum

623
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 5: got sick. You know, you get elderly parents and you

624
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 5: become responsible for them as well. And got a job

625
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 5: on radio and accidentally I didn't mean to end up

626
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 5: on breakfast radio. It just kind of happened by accident.

627
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 5: And I love it. But that also means, you know

628
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 5: what it's like, I'm tired up at four o'clock every day.

629
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: Hour is pretty brutal.

630
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, the hour is a brutal. But yeah we are.

631
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 5: We're touring next year. We still do little bits. We

632
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 5: do some of the festivals, particularly a bunch of the

633
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 5: folk festivals. And we're getting ready to record Duwet's album

634
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 5: coming up, and we're going on tour, doing a country

635
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 5: love tour next year with two other famous country music

636
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 5: singing artists, a couple of couple of couple Yes, Brooke mclimbon,

637
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and Jay Andsville too. Yes.

638
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: We spoke to them.

639
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: We spoke, did you Yeah?

640
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 8: Well?

641
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: But they also I wrote a song called along Goodbye

642
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: and and we retooled it for a podcast I did

643
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: with my brother and they. I had them produce it and.

644
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 4: Jays sung on it.

645
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 5: Beautiful.

646
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: So I've not released the song yet.

647
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 5: It's really beautiful. It's how is that that we would

648
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 5: bring them up?

649
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 6: Yeah? And Mark is just great because we spoke.

650
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: We spoke on the phone.

651
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: But I have not released it yet because I'm just

652
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: waiting for something. I was going to do it with

653
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: the Potty but it didn't work, so I was like, no,

654
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to hold on to it because it's really

655
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: special and it's a song I wrote for hours.

656
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,239
Speaker 3: So I did make you cryer I'm trying to it

657
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: was so long ago.

658
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 4: The original song original the longer bye.

659
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: Song is over thirty years.

660
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I recorded that with Keith Urban,

661
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: yeah back in ninety three or four.

662
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes your dad, it makes his dad cry

663
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: every time. His dad can't get through the song without crying. Right, Oh,

664
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: that's so beautiful, beautiful.

665
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

666
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 4: But they're what's they're great people?

667
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 8: Yeah?

668
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: Great people.

669
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, great people. So that's next year we're doing.

670
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: Where are you going to do that? Whereabouts?

671
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 5: As Melbourne as.

672
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 7: It's all over cap cap cities mainly, Yeah, large, large

673
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 7: regions you know.

674
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's going to be really fun. Yeah, Joy said. Look,

675
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 5: she said, it's it's not a lot of singing. You're

676
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 5: gonna lose your voice from laughing.

677
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.

678
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: Right, it's my favorite things so good.

679
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, a little bits and pieces, but not as much,

680
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 5: you know, as I as I'd like. But it's hard

681
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 5: to fit. And that's the other thing. In your fifties.

682
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 5: I'm tired. Yeah yeah, you know, I just don't have

683
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 5: the energy.

684
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: What time is it?

685
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 5: Late at night? The favorite things are canceled plan.

686
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 4: You know that's a song title.

687
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 9: There's a song right there that's a country so run away.

688
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 3: As we've sort of talked about, you guys have been

689
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: together for a beautifully long time. Is there something that

690
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: you do specifically for each other that still keeps the

691
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: relationship strong?

692
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 4: So yes, that's a good life.

693
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is.

694
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 8: Yeah.

695
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 5: Runaways says that he goes dol and I just want

696
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 5: to do whatever will make you really happy. And he's

697
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 5: just his whole life. He'll so to me, it's just

698
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 5: because I want to make you happy. Everything's to make

699
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 5: you happy. And I get cranky with him all the time.

700
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 5: He loves his whiskers in the sink all the time.

701
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: Do you get cranky about that?

702
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: I do love it.

703
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: Her vision's gone.

704
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 4: Down, I wash it down.

705
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: I know that I'm not the neatest as well, so

706
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 3: I can't complain when you do it.

707
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't know. We're just we're good together.

708
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 3: You know.

709
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 5: The main thing for us is time. And you know,

710
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 5: Rod is really busy. He does mostly six days a week,

711
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 5: and I just, you know, want more time, and we

712
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 5: just we don't have a lot of time, so it's

713
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 5: precious when we do. We're treating this as a date

714
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 5: right now with you guys, just getting to have some

715
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 5: precious time together. Yeah, are you.

716
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: Still finding new ways to love each other? Or fall

717
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 3: in love with each other. Is there things that you

718
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 3: still after all this time, kind of discover about each

719
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: other that you go, I love that, Or as you've

720
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 3: evolved as people?

721
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 5: Really, yeah, I.

722
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 7: Think we're so different. I love it when it's quiet

723
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 7: and it's just like nothing. I work in a recording

724
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 7: studio every day and so I sort of leave and

725
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 7: the last thing I want to do is turn on

726
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 7: something loud or have something punching at me all the time.

727
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 5: So I'm a bit loud of it. But Rod. The

728
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 5: stuff that Rod does for me now that makes me

729
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 5: feel loved and it's new. Is I get up at

730
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 5: four point thirty every morning from radio. So Rod gets

731
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 5: up to and makes me a cup of tea, right,

732
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 5: And so we have a couple of days a week

733
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 5: if he doesn't do that. He's asleep when I leave,

734
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 5: only for another half an hour or whatever, and I'm

735
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 5: asleep when he gets home. So we have a few

736
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 5: days a week where we don't actually see each other.

737
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 5: So he gets up and makes me a cup of

738
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 5: tea every morning, and I would not do that around

739
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 5: the other way. If he was getting up early, I

740
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 5: would sleep. So and if I'm flying out, Rod will

741
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 5: drive me to the airport. I will meet him at

742
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 5: the train station. You know he's yeah, yeah, yeah, so

743
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 5: he's Rod's lovely to me. Yeah. I don't know if

744
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 5: we're finding new ways. I think that we're. Yeah, it's interesting.

745
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 5: I still can feel when Rod's nearly home. I feel it,

746
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 5: you know that feeling. And our son Jackie, I can

747
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 5: feel when they're.

748
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: Near the clot when they're circling.

749
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, and I love that. And yeah, I'm just

750
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 5: we're we've been through a lot. You gos probably have too,

751
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 5: when you've been married this long. And I think any

752
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 5: marriage that makes it this long has a lot of

753
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 5: forgiveness in there as well, and you know, learning to

754
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 5: just love where you are now and look forward and

755
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 5: appreciate everything we have. We have a big love, a lot.

756
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: Of forgiveness and a lot of forgetfulness, truly, because I

757
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 3: forget some of the things that Cam's done. And then,

758
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 3: which is a really good thing.

759
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 4: It's handy.

760
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 5: I think that's great. And that's why your eyesight goes

761
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 5: as well, because it looks so good.

762
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't, you know, you can't hear the screech

763
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: of my voice because he's going deaf.

764
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 7: It's just and when you forget stuff, it's okay for

765
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 7: Gina to tell you the same story over there. So

766
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 7: it's fine.

767
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 2: Are you do you have an issue with new guitars?

768
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: Do you keep you guitar?

769
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 7: Very rarely buy a new one, but I buy a

770
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 7: lot of vintage.

771
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 3: How haven't of you got right?

772
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 7: I don't like to admit to that in front of Gena,

773
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 7: but please come.

774
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: On, because it's going to be way more than I have.

775
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: And I get grief because I've got too many.

776
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 7: Well, I used to think it's in the seventies, but

777
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 7: I think I might have hit the eighties.

778
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: Eighty guitar There are you storing.

779
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 7: Or in the studio? I have a at the back

780
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 7: of the main control room, there's another little I call

781
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 7: it an amp space where I record electric guitar amps.

782
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 7: But there's also a triple story cupboard there that's full

783
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 7: of guitars. And there's guitars everywhere in the studio, in cases,

784
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 7: in rooms sort of locked away, and there's honestly, there's

785
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 7: probably eight that I use all the time. Yeah, but

786
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 7: they're they're precious in their own way.

787
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: They are so my my my guitar player in my

788
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: band the professor. Milton, he's got he's got a rule

789
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: with his wife. It's like he's if he if he

790
00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: buys a guitar, he has to.

791
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: Get get rid of one.

792
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 7: Now is that right?

793
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: It's buy one, get rid of one. Yeah. And so that.

794
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: Keeps the rule you made for me in my book.

795
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 7: And when you say get rid of one, you're talking guitars.

796
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: Not very happily married. We love mas and but no,

797
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: Milton's buy one, get rid of a guitar. And I

798
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: said that to Ali because we've we've moved. We've had

799
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: to move house a lot times because of rentals and

800
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: people selling and stuff. You know, and you go, sorry,

801
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: the agent says, you've got to move so great, we're

802
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: moving boxes of books and get rid of it.

803
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: Books. She loves a book. She's an avid reader.

804
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: And honey, if I got a guitar, rule now one out,

805
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: one in, one in one out, you have to have

806
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: one in one out.

807
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 5: Get rid of can you do that?

808
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 3: Sometimes there is there is a hidden batch under my bed.

809
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: I was looking at this morning, going I love that book.

810
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 3: I can't get rid of it. I love that book.

811
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,959
Speaker 3: And the thing is, actually, don't reread them. I only

812
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: read them once, which is kind of crazy that I

813
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 3: should move them along. But if I love it, it

814
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: feels like.

815
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 5: It's like I just love it and I can't.

816
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 3: I can't get rid of it.

817
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 5: And then I like borrow.

818
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: I like lending the.

819
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 5: Books, but you never get one.

820
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: They don't come back.

821
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 5: Do you write your name inside?

822
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 2: I've said to people, boomerang, this is a boomerang, it

823
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 2: comes back, It doesn't know.

824
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 3: I'm happy to give my books to someone who I

825
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: know is going to love it, like I love that,

826
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: But sometimes just putting them into I'll never put a

827
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: book in the trash ever came like just chack it

828
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: in the rubbish.

829
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I struggle with that too.

830
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 4: I can't do a whole much too.

831
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 7: I remember to a place in Terrygle look to have

832
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 7: the book, the book sort.

833
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 5: Of you wrote a real big book creator as well.

834
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 5: And we had when we because we sold when we

835
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 5: sold our house to go to Nashville. You had so much,

836
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 5: you know, we lived there for Jackie's whole childhood and

837
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 5: we had so much. Yeah, and we just went through

838
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 5: And I'm a chucker, Rods the Holder, and I'm a

839
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 5: chucker clearly.

840
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: Eighty guitars A favorite.

841
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, I kind of do I have. Well it's a

842
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 7: bit of a story, but in two thousand and three,

843
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 7: Paul Kelly, the singer songwriter, called me up and said,

844
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 7: I want you to produce an album for me, which

845
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 7: eventually became his album called Foggy Highway, which is all

846
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,959
Speaker 7: recorded at our studio. And I've been chatting with Paul

847
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 7: for a month or two and I eventually realized I

848
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 7: don't have the right guitar for this. I have many

849
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 7: great options, but not the one that I think we

850
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 7: need so at the time to get like a vintage

851
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 7: Martin of that particular one was around about sixty five

852
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 7: grand US. Our dollars sucked. It was like crazy, So

853
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 7: I just thought, yeah, I was I was playing one

854
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 7: the other day that was like one hundred and eighty

855
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 7: five grand US. They've gone nuts, which is great for

856
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 7: my collection, by the way. And so anyway, I called

857
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 7: up a great guitar, a Luthia builder in Adelaide, Brian Degricci,

858
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 7: who's no longer with us, sadly, but Brian, I said, look,

859
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 7: would you do this? I want a nineteen thirty nine

860
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 7: Martin eighteen And anyway, he built it for me, and

861
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 7: he called me up a few months later and said,

862
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 7: first guitars built sounds terrific. I said, oh great. When

863
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 7: I kind of pick it up, he said, it's not

864
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 7: your guitar. Old, build a better one. And this went

865
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 7: on three times. The second time he called up said

866
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 7: guitars finished. I said great, and he said, no, it's

867
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 7: not your guitar. And then the third time he called

868
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 7: up and said, your guitar is ready, and he said

869
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 7: it's the best guitar I've ever built. Wow, And it

870
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 7: is really beautiful. And that's my favorite. I played every

871
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 7: day and I didn't tell Paul Kelly this at all.

872
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: And I love that story, by the way.

873
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 7: Yeah and so but well, until he came in a

874
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 7: couple of days before. We're flying musicians in from all

875
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 7: over the place, and he Paul came in a few

876
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 7: days earlier to do arrangements and so forth, and he

877
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 7: came in with a guitar case, and I said, oh,

878
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 7: what's that. Because he knew he wasn't playing on the record,

879
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 7: he said, I bought it for you.

880
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: Now.

881
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 7: I had Brian Degroucci build me a nineteen thirty nine

882
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 7: Martin D eighteen very specific and Paul walked in with

883
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 7: one that he owned, an original. No, I said, I

884
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 7: thought you'd like to play this, and I just went,

885
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 7: you're not going to believe this. But then I showed

886
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 7: him mine, you know, and so we ended up using

887
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 7: his on one song because we love mine so much,

888
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 7: just because he wanted to, you know, and a sound

889
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 7: it was terrific as well.

890
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, See that's what happened.

891
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 6: So you've been you're we hadn't sort of discussed how

892
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 6: what a celebrated musician you are, but this is amazing

893
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 6: that you would know the difference of a sound of

894
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 6: a tone of a guitar.

895
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's specific.

896
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: I mean, that blows my mind that you would that

897
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: you would know that and understand that and appreciate it.

898
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's really speciul.

899
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 7: Well, it becomes your life when you play acoustic instruments

900
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 7: like I do. Those all those timber changes and the

901
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 7: aging and the it's all so relevant and it works

902
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 7: so well. In particular, music.

903
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: Is part of the part of buying the guitars as well?

904
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: Is part of that, like the chase of finding those

905
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: rare guitars as well? Like, is that part of the

906
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 3: excitement of.

907
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 7: Oh, look, every now and again, you stumble across something.

908
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 7: And you know, I have another story where I taught

909
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 7: a guy in high school to play the guitar. And

910
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 7: he was like the kid voted, you know, worst kid,

911
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 7: most trouble in school. You know, like police would show

912
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 7: up every second day, and now he might beat up

913
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 7: on kids in the in the playground at lunchtime, you know,

914
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 7: in high school, you know, all this sort of stuff.

915
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 7: And anyway, one lunchtime he came strolling up to me

916
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 7: and I thought, oh, here we go. And I was

917
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 7: probably fourteen, and he said, I want you to teach

918
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 7: me guitar. And I said okay, and so.

919
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: Present life.

920
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 7: And for the next four years, while we're at school together,

921
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 7: I taught him guitar, you know, back then all the

922
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 7: Neil Young songs and all that kind of stuff. And

923
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 7: it changed his life. It turned him into a different person,

924
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 7: and it really gave him something to focus on and

925
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 7: to be. And anyway, so and it was terrific. I

926
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 7: taught him a year or two beyond school as well.

927
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 7: But then we lost track of each other for about

928
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 7: fifteen years. And I didn't realize, but he'd moved down

929
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 7: to Griffith and was a plasterer, just working in the

930
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 7: trade and still playing gigs and still into it. And

931
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 7: then he knocked on the studio door all these years

932
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 7: later and said, hey, good to see you. I saw

933
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 7: this guitar advertised for sale down in Griffith and it

934
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 7: made me think of you, so I bought it for you.

935
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 7: I wanted to say thank you. And he gave me

936
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 7: this guitar and I looked at opened the case and

937
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 7: it's a nineteen sixty three Gibson B twenty five, like

938
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 7: pretty nice guitar and an acoustic and I said to him,

939
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 7: I don't know that you realize what a great guitar

940
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 7: this is. And it's worth it. I said how much

941
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 7: did you pay? And he said, like six hundred bucks.

942
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 7: I said it's worth thousands. So he said no, I

943
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 7: just want you to have it. It's a gift, you know,

944
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 7: So in the end I have to feel good about it.

945
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 7: I think I gave him six hundred bucks. And I

946
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 7: recorded him a demo of himself on all these songs

947
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 7: so it would help him get work and stuff and

948
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 7: then send him home. And it was great to see

949
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 7: him again. And and that guitar is really special too.

950
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 7: So guitars guitars find you. Yeah, you know, I don't

951
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 7: know what it is, but I find them, they find me.

952
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 7: And once something like that happens, then it's it's mine.

953
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that history with it?

954
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 5: What a great story? Can you can you just quickly

955
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 5: do the Is it in Nashville? And what happens when

956
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 5: you go upstairs?

957
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 7: Oh?

958
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 5: What is his security?

959
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 7: Well? Yeah, George Green. You may know groon guitars in Nashville.

960
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 7: They're world fame. George for years, from the sixties seventies onward,

961
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 7: has pretty much single handedly sets the price of vintage

962
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 7: guitars worldwide. He's the guy, and he has this incredible

963
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 7: music guitar store two stories in the old days still

964
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 7: is now and he's new. He's moved to a bigger place.

965
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 7: And the rumor is always that George is a he's

966
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 7: a snake lover, and he's been to Australia not for

967
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 7: music or guitars, but actually for snakes, and and he

968
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 7: keeps snakes in his office at the at the shop,

969
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 7: in the reptile cages.

970
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,959
Speaker 4: Or whatever, keeps the guitars in the shop.

971
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 7: And the rumor is he doesn't believe in security. But

972
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 7: every night before he locks up, he lets a few out,

973
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 7: and so like he lot right, and he might have

974
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 7: an infantry of millions and millions of dollars, you know,

975
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 7: and so true. Yeah, But and the the other thing

976
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 7: about Ruins is they always say that the great guitars

977
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 7: are upstairs, like the nought to maybe twenty five thousand

978
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 7: dollar guitars are downstairs. But the special ones are all upstairs,

979
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 7: and you can't just get up there. Most people don't

980
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 7: get up there because like any guitar store, you walk

981
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 7: in and hear the worst version of Stairway to Heaven

982
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 7: or something you've ever heard, you know, and so you

983
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 7: have to play your way in. And I was telling

984
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 7: this to my daughter Jim. When I go to Nashville.

985
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 7: She usually flies over from LA and we'll hang out

986
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 7: for the week or whatever. And I was telling her

987
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 7: this story about Gruin's, and she said, I want to

988
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 7: go there. And it was like a Saturday and we're

989
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 7: just driving around. I said, okay, we'll go there now,

990
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 7: and so I did. And I was saying, you can't

991
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 7: go upstairs. You have to get invited, and you have

992
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 7: to play your way in. And she said, can you

993
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 7: get us invited, and she didn't believe the next story

994
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 7: at all. So anyway, we get in there and I

995
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 7: see a nice guitar that looks good and it's about

996
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 7: fifteen grand or something, and I have a quick play

997
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 7: on it, played for like maybe twenty seconds, and I

998
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 7: feel this little tap on my shoulder, and sure enough,

999
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 7: the guy comes over and says, what do you think

1000
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 7: of the guitar? Said, yeah, it's pretty good, but he said,

1001
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 7: you really need to come upstairs, and so Jem's just

1002
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 7: going like, you're kidding, right, And so we walked upstairs

1003
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 7: and then we see all these other incredible guitars and

1004
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 7: then I take her into George's office. I know George.

1005
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 7: He turned eighty the other day. And we go into

1006
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 7: George's office and there's just all these reptile enclosures, massive

1007
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 7: all around, full of snakes, and it's just the way

1008
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 7: it is. But he's a passionate guy, George. And I

1009
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 7: had a couple of hours with him the other day,

1010
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 7: just just a few weeks ago. It was amazing. He

1011
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 7: knows more about guitars than anyone I know.

1012
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you said, when you said, I've got the

1013
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 3: tap on my shoulder.

1014
00:48:50,840 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 4: On the shoulder, you got to come upstairs. Music has

1015
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 4: that ability to just take us, drop us into a.

1016
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: Moment in time, in any emotion, doesn't it.

1017
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: And we have our favorite voices and musicians and instruments

1018
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: that do that. What what what is it that you

1019
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 2: both love about music?

1020
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: And what?

1021
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: What do you tell people? What do you what do

1022
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 2: you tell young performers today? Clearly the climate's changed on

1023
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: how to get your music out there, but first of it,

1024
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 2: just that love and what what what's the message for

1025
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: young musicos today for both of you?

1026
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 5: Well, I mentor a lot of young singers who want

1027
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 5: to make it in the industry and always say, people

1028
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 5: remember how you made them feel, not what you said.

1029
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 5: So it's really important to connect and touch people's hearts

1030
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 5: because anyway, there's lots of people who sing great and

1031
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 5: who look beautiful and handsome and all that sort of stuff,

1032
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 5: But can you make them feel something? So it's all

1033
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 5: about that. And you know when you say music carries

1034
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 5: you back in time, and you know what, it remind

1035
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 5: you of your childhood or a song will come on

1036
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 5: and it really is such a big emotion for me

1037
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 5: music and I think we really need to lean into

1038
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 5: that as artists rather than just here's another pop sounding

1039
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 5: song that you know, sounds like radio might play it.

1040
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 5: Stuff that's going to make people feel stuff. That's what

1041
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 5: I think. What do you think?

1042
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 7: Totally? Well? For me, I get so many artists that

1043
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 7: come into the studio to produce and they all want

1044
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 7: to sound like somebody else, you know, and it's like

1045
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 7: job's done, job's taken. You know, You've got to find

1046
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 7: For me, it's like you've got to find the thing

1047
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 7: that sets you apart and that you love. And I

1048
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 7: always say to people, we need to make a record

1049
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 7: that you and I are going to love in ten

1050
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,479
Speaker 7: years time, not the one that we're going to chase

1051
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 7: some trend or to do something right now.

1052
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 3: And I'm curious about your on AI in the music industry.

1053
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: Can you you know, talking about making music that hits

1054
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: people in a certain way. I mean, I don't know

1055
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 3: if AI can do that, but you know we've got

1056
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 3: we know someone who's creating music just by I mean,

1057
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: you did it the other day just for fun to

1058
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: put it through. What's your are we? Are we going

1059
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 3: to lose musicians because of that?

1060
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 7: Like?

1061
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: Are we How big a step is AI for music?

1062
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 7: I think it's it's pretty huge, I think losing musicians

1063
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 7: as well. I don't look at it like that. Put

1064
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 7: it that way. I think I use AI in the

1065
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 7: smallest at the moment. But the way I use it,

1066
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 7: I think is like a responsible usage. So there are

1067
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 7: what happens now are there are session singers who will

1068
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 7: loan their voices to particular AI sites, and they're like,

1069
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 7: rather than getting paid, you know, a couple of hundred

1070
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 7: bucks to sing a harmony on your record, I can

1071
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 7: be a subscribe to this site and pay my annual

1072
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 7: fee and then I can And what I've done is

1073
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 7: I've made out of about four different singers and myself included,

1074
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 7: and then the person that I'm the artist, we'll all

1075
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 7: go into this hot you know, this pot, and then

1076
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 7: I blend. We call them voice models. But the thing

1077
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 7: is every time I do that and then I download

1078
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 7: that file to use, those singers, the voice models that

1079
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 7: put their voices forward to use get paid. And it's

1080
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 7: more like a small amount like a streaming service, you know.

1081
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 7: But that's the future of session singing, or of one

1082
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 7: of the things. Now, having said that, it's kind of right,

1083
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 7: maybe ten percent of the time to use that you know,

1084
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 7: there are times where that sounds good and people use

1085
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 7: it for fun and you can do fun things. But

1086
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 7: I think what you said before is one hundred percent correct. Music,

1087
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 7: especially country music, is about emotion, about connecting all music

1088
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 7: is actually, so I feel like that's a harder thing

1089
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 7: to get and I always struggled, you know, like years

1090
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 7: ago when music and the fingerprinting technique came out. It's

1091
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 7: a bit like when you assign a code to a song.

1092
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 7: When you master it, the thing that Shazam will tell you,

1093
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 7: oh that this in five seconds, it can say this

1094
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 7: is such and such a song. And the way that

1095
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 7: works is it reads the thirty one bands of equalization,

1096
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 7: the way they fall and they rise and they drop.

1097
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 7: It makes that song unique. It's called a fingerprint, of course.

1098
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 7: And so I met the two guys that designed that,

1099
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 7: and they so that is how Shazam recognizes a song

1100
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 7: because it'll say, oh, that's you know, whatever it is,

1101
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 7: and then it will say, oh, if you like this,

1102
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 7: will recommend this song. But how I mean emotionally, the

1103
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 7: lyric content or anything like that. It's not getting any

1104
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 7: of that stuff. And I think so there are issues,

1105
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 7: but I mean, it's an exciting time. I tend to

1106
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 7: look at it more positively, not negatively, and I think

1107
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 7: there are great uses and I think it's also there

1108
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 7: are people who at a lower level will use it

1109
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 7: to take over mastering and things like that, and that's fine,

1110
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 7: but I think at the top end of the game,

1111
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 7: that's a long long way off.

1112
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: Interesting.

1113
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, my mind is blind.

1114
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: You could sit here for ages.

1115
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: Okay, you've done a bunch of things as a couple.

1116
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: Is there's still things to do now that you're looking

1117
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: forward to?

1118
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: Oh?

1119
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, make more music. I think make more music.

1120
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 5: I really I would really like to do a chewet

1121
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 5: with Rod, you know, Like I mentioned, we're doing that

1122
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 5: Country Love tour next year, which is duets, and Rod

1123
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 5: and I have never recorded a duet together that we

1124
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 5: have our own individual albums. So I'd like to do that.

1125
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 5: But you don't really want to do well he will.

1126
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 3: Well.

1127
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 7: I kind of think if we're doing like a duets

1128
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 7: record and stuff, we'll find we'll find artists that you

1129
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 7: really want to sing with, like camera, like camera, you know, Yeah, did.

1130
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 5: You write it down that idea we had?

1131
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: I forgot it.

1132
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 4: It's like my song ideas.

1133
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: I have that go straight out.

1134
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was it that you get a royalty percent.

1135
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: Everything is canceled plans.

1136
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 5: What do you mean musically or you just mean just

1137
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 5: think you.

1138
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 4: Know, like like we've just got a caravan.

1139
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 8: I would love that.

1140
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 5: I'm so jealous.

1141
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're about to we haven't done our first trip yet.

1142
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: Were getting prepared and we're going to see Australia.

1143
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 5: I would love to do this. We've seen Australia one

1144
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 5: hundred times over, but I've only seen backstage because we've

1145
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 5: we've gone to every town and you know, you pull

1146
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 5: in the boys and set up the we going the backstage,

1147
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 5: do a sound check, go back to the motel room.

1148
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 5: Get ready, go back through the back door. You've worked

1149
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 5: and haven't seen it. Kind of you've seen it more

1150
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 5: than me because you're driving. I'm usually asleep in the front.

1151
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 5: See that's not the driver's seat, the other one. But yeah,

1152
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 5: I would love to do. When I pull up in

1153
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 5: the traffic beside a couple and they're in an Irvy

1154
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 5: or got a cavin, I'm like, I'm so jealous of you.

1155
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 5: Imagine just like going up the East Coast and you

1156
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 5: get somewhere really pretty and you just go, let's just

1157
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 5: stay here for a couple of days.

1158
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 7: And I actually think it's also it's a large untapped

1159
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 7: part of the future where you can go. You can

1160
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 7: plan a trip well in advance, and there are so

1161
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 7: many you know, great nomads or whatever you want to

1162
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 7: call people off doing it that plan their trip well

1163
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 7: in advance and say, oh, we're going to catch those shows.

1164
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 7: And you just say we'll be at such and such

1165
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 7: a park on this date doing a concert.

1166
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 5: Can come with you and there you go and we

1167
00:56:54,320 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 5: can do some concerts and serious and the great nomads

1168
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 5: will they will, oh my god, a few covers, you know,

1169
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 5: just make it fun.

1170
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 3: Done sold Chris Chris Off, Yeah, be fun. I'll tell

1171
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 3: you the response that we've had from the gray nomad community.

1172
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 4: Like caravan community, when.

1173
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 3: We put something out on Instagram, we have been flooded

1174
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: with people going, let us know when you're coming and

1175
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 3: will open our doors to you if you need any help.

1176
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 3: Here's a good I mean, it's just been astonished.

1177
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: Where is he going to fire up?

1178
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: They go to the MIC's in the caravan park and

1179
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 2: do the heart of it with some caravans.

1180
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 5: Stories and stuff.

1181
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 7: Met.

1182
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what we want and then that night concert

1183
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 5: with us.

1184
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean I'm already one.

1185
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 2: I mean I'm like, I'm like, no, I'm too ship

1186
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 2: to ask to ask. Can I work with you? Can

1187
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: we do something some music together?

1188
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 7: Let's do it?

1189
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 2: I would love to because one of the things I

1190
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: was going to say to you, Also, I love listening.

1191
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: Like hearing our daughter Bodie play.

1192
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: She's doing things on her she's only been playing for

1193
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 2: a couple of years, but she's learning in her way.

1194
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: She's learning on YouTube, she's doing learning things up the

1195
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: neck that called progressions and things that are so unique

1196
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: that I'm going to those those those voicings that she's

1197
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: creating are like they're just blowing my mind. So I'm

1198
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: learning stuff from her. And I don't mind playing with people.

1199
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 2: I love playing with people that know which most guitarists

1200
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: know more than me. But working with say Michael Carpenter

1201
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: and I we're doing a song and you're going, no,

1202
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: I need you to play it. He goes, I can't

1203
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: do what you're doing. I said, yes, you can, and

1204
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: he goes, no, I can't actually do what you're doing.

1205
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: That's your unique voicing, that's how you play. And I

1206
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: want that and I'm like, okay.

1207
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: So you know then I that's that part.

1208
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 2: Of it when you meet someone who's really good and

1209
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: you go, I couldn't possibly, but I'm just putting it

1210
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: out there.

1211
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 8: I do.

1212
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 7: Let's do it. Come on, do it? Is that with

1213
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 7: the duet, and then we'll do something that sounds.

1214
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 8: I can say, I do.

1215
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 2: I do sneak peeks at some of OL's books that

1216
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 2: she reads, and she reads these wonderfully lyrical books, and

1217
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 2: off and off I'll open a page and see a little.

1218
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: Line in there.

1219
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: Of course I'll get that inspires me, you know, for

1220
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: for a song, and I'll write about recycling.

1221
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, big ball of Chocolate.

1222
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: The song that is all just taken from just a

1223
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: couple of lines out.

1224
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 5: Of a book, not how much you're going to come

1225
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 5: up with on your on your little trip.

1226
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: If we're still talking to each other, back it up,

1227
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 2: no left hand down.

1228
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 7: It's one of the great tests of marriage, and one

1229
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 7: of the great.

1230
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 3: Exactly I've already tried to do the ground rules for Actually,

1231
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 3: this is the only time I'm going to allow you

1232
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: to man explain something to me over and over again.

1233
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 3: I'd rather you explain it five times over and me

1234
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 3: get it right then, you know, And I said, and

1235
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 3: I hope it's okay if I do the same thing

1236
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 3: with you. Yeah, it's the one time that we can

1237
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: repeat ourselves.

1238
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 4: So we're not going to get in dangered alright.

1239
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 2: So I don't want to get to this bit because

1240
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 2: it means it's the end of the chat. So but

1241
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: we have to get to this bit. So it's called

1242
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: the pulse.

1243
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes it's called rapit hart, wrap it hard, depending on.

1244
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 4: The day, who depends who's written this one? This one?

1245
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:33,479
Speaker 8: All right?

1246
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 2: What can you please both answer the question? Okay, what

1247
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 2: habit does your partner have that you find adorable?

1248
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 7: Oh? She laughs, and she's very kind.

1249
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 5: I love I love Rod's voice. I love the way

1250
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 5: he speaks, I love the way he thinks. And this

1251
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 5: is crazy, but one of the first things I fell

1252
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 5: in love with him is when he speaks the way

1253
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 5: he's nosebubbles a little bit. Oh that isn't that crazy.

1254
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 3: I know, if you could relive one day with each other,

1255
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 3: what would that day be?

1256
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 5: M m.

1257
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: That's tricky.

1258
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 5: It is tricky.

1259
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, you think of kids and birthing

1260
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 7: and things like that, for sure. Yeah, but you know,

1261
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 7: it only hurt me with the hangover the next day.

1262
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 5: Maybe that the wedding was great, but I think some

1263
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 5: of the biggest stuff, you know, probably, to be honest,

1264
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 5: I think the day that we got to go up

1265
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 5: the Swan River with Johnny Cash and jun Carter Cash

1266
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,479
Speaker 5: and Chris Christopher in a boat with the promoter. And

1267
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 5: I was too young to really realize what a big

1268
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 5: deal that was. Road wasn't Rod understood it, but I

1269
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 5: was like, oh, this is normal, this is what we

1270
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 5: do now. You know, I'll be drinking champagne and on

1271
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 5: a boat on the Swan River. I'd love to go

1272
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 5: back then and appreciate it more. Yes, sure, and ask

1273
01:01:58,960 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 5: more questions.

1274
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool, that's cool.

1275
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: What is it about your relationship that makes you feel

1276
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 2: most grateful?

1277
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 7: Oh, I just think the safety net of just having

1278
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 7: someone who's there all the time, who you just know

1279
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,919
Speaker 7: come home and it's a good it's a good, comfortable thing.

1280
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: Huh.

1281
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 5: And I do everything in the house, cooking.

1282
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 8: And then.

1283
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 5: I said to her on the way here, you know

1284
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 5: what I love about us is, you know, I just

1285
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 5: my life is and I'm a bit in my personalities,

1286
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 5: like got coffee in my blood. But when I'm with Rod,

1287
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 5: he just calms me right down. You know. I just

1288
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 5: hold his hand and sometimes if I'm upset or anything,

1289
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 5: he just will hug me and match my breathing into

1290
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 5: my match is breathing. And so we're grateful to have that.

1291
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a nervous system calm. Yeah, it's lovely. Yeah,

1292
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 3: last question, one word to describe each other.

1293
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 7: Oh, would just say beautiful.

1294
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 8: Mm hm mm hmm. You can go stick.

1295
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:03,919
Speaker 1: You guys are real.

1296
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 4: You are so nice to see you.

1297
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1298
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to come up to a studio.

1299
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, write a song.

1300
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 5: Do you want to write it?

1301
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 4: Just deliver it to you.