1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Apoda production. 2 00:00:10,121 --> 00:00:13,521 Speaker 2: We begin today by acknowledging the traditional custodians of the 3 00:00:13,601 --> 00:00:16,401 Speaker 2: land on which we gather today and pay our respects 4 00:00:16,481 --> 00:00:19,641 Speaker 2: to their elders past and present. We extend that respect 5 00:00:19,761 --> 00:00:22,921 Speaker 2: to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people's here today. 6 00:00:25,081 --> 00:00:28,801 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Grow and Glow Podcast. I'm Ashy, I'm kiara. 7 00:00:29,001 --> 00:00:31,321 Speaker 3: This is a podcast where we learn, laugh, and level 8 00:00:31,401 --> 00:00:31,841 Speaker 3: up together. 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,641 Speaker 4: Let's go deep, let the emotions flow, and find the 10 00:00:34,721 --> 00:00:37,481 Speaker 4: lessons to grow and glow. Nothing is off the table 11 00:00:37,521 --> 00:00:39,841 Speaker 4: with Grow and Glow, and we're here to be your expander. 12 00:00:43,881 --> 00:00:48,921 Speaker 3: Hello, guys, welcome back to Grow and Today we are 13 00:00:48,961 --> 00:00:49,801 Speaker 3: here with Steph. 14 00:00:50,161 --> 00:00:54,961 Speaker 4: Hello, she's back. We are so excited. 15 00:00:55,041 --> 00:00:59,081 Speaker 3: We are going to be talking all about binge eating, purging, 16 00:00:59,561 --> 00:01:01,641 Speaker 3: body dysmorphia, eating. 17 00:01:01,401 --> 00:01:03,001 Speaker 4: Disorders, eating disorders. 18 00:01:03,281 --> 00:01:07,001 Speaker 3: Yeah, Steph is the queen all these conversations. 19 00:01:06,321 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 4: And just making it not so scary to talk about 20 00:01:08,321 --> 00:01:09,721 Speaker 4: because it's an important conversation. 21 00:01:10,161 --> 00:01:13,321 Speaker 1: Yes, I'm so excited for this one because it is 22 00:01:13,401 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: such a big topic that doesn't get spoken about enough. 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,401 Speaker 1: So hit me with all the questions. I'm ready. 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,001 Speaker 3: Why do you think it doesn't get spoken about that much? 25 00:01:23,761 --> 00:01:27,881 Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it's very normalized. It's normalized to be 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,081 Speaker 1: constantly focused on your body, on losing weight, on wanting 27 00:01:32,121 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: to be smaller, on how you look, and we normalize 28 00:01:36,801 --> 00:01:39,281 Speaker 1: it and we celebrate it. When someone loses weight, oh 29 00:01:39,321 --> 00:01:41,681 Speaker 1: my god, you're so amazing, and someone gains weight, you 30 00:01:41,801 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: comment on it. So it's one of those things. And 31 00:01:44,481 --> 00:01:49,001 Speaker 1: with social media on the rise, comparison is high body image. 32 00:01:49,241 --> 00:01:52,201 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's the main reason that we 33 00:01:52,281 --> 00:01:54,401 Speaker 1: don't really address it. 34 00:01:54,521 --> 00:01:57,201 Speaker 4: So important to it and I'm so passionate about this. 35 00:01:57,641 --> 00:02:00,121 Speaker 4: I feel like over the last fifteen years, I have 36 00:02:00,201 --> 00:02:02,481 Speaker 4: evolved so much with how I teach and how I 37 00:02:02,561 --> 00:02:05,041 Speaker 4: eat and how I train. And when I first started, 38 00:02:05,241 --> 00:02:07,601 Speaker 4: I was like nineteen, so yes, I wanted to look 39 00:02:07,641 --> 00:02:09,641 Speaker 4: to the leanest. I wanted to be in a bikini 40 00:02:09,721 --> 00:02:13,281 Speaker 4: and that's what my whole brand was, Ashbyinn's Bikini Body Challenge. 41 00:02:13,721 --> 00:02:15,761 Speaker 4: And then after I had my first son, which was 42 00:02:15,881 --> 00:02:19,121 Speaker 4: nearly nine years ago, now it was like, it actually 43 00:02:19,321 --> 00:02:21,601 Speaker 4: does not matter to me anymore what I look like. 44 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,201 Speaker 4: I have so much more appreciation for my body and 45 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,481 Speaker 4: what it's done and what it does me every single day, 46 00:02:27,001 --> 00:02:31,041 Speaker 4: and eating and exercising was more for my mental health 47 00:02:31,041 --> 00:02:32,481 Speaker 4: and so I can show up and be the best 48 00:02:32,561 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 4: mum I can be the importance of having a healthy 49 00:02:35,601 --> 00:02:39,361 Speaker 4: relationship with food, exercise, and your body, and that has 50 00:02:39,401 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 4: been my mission ever since. So like, thank you Taj. 51 00:02:41,841 --> 00:02:44,401 Speaker 4: That put me on a whole new path of how 52 00:02:44,441 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 4: I show up online and how I live and how 53 00:02:46,721 --> 00:02:49,121 Speaker 4: I teach other women to And that's what I really 54 00:02:49,161 --> 00:02:51,921 Speaker 4: want this conversation to be about, is how do we 55 00:02:52,041 --> 00:02:55,481 Speaker 4: help women build a healthier relationship with food so that 56 00:02:55,481 --> 00:02:58,601 Speaker 4: they're not binge eating, they don't have body dysmorphia, and 57 00:02:59,121 --> 00:03:01,401 Speaker 4: they can actually love who they are inside out. 58 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,721 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I've loved the evolution of your content 59 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,161 Speaker 1: around balance, doing what feels good. And I have heard 60 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,521 Speaker 1: after having children. I don't have children myself, but your 61 00:03:13,841 --> 00:03:16,761 Speaker 1: focus and appreciation of your body does change, really does. 62 00:03:16,841 --> 00:03:19,601 Speaker 4: It's so beautiful, Like how awesome are kids? Like that's 63 00:03:19,601 --> 00:03:22,361 Speaker 4: such a gift they give us. So how do you 64 00:03:22,441 --> 00:03:25,361 Speaker 4: think we can help women listening right now that are 65 00:03:25,401 --> 00:03:28,641 Speaker 4: really struggling with their relationship with food, their relationship with exercise. 66 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 4: They just eat chicken and rice because they think that's 67 00:03:31,121 --> 00:03:33,641 Speaker 4: what they need to eat or they're scared to eat 68 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,401 Speaker 4: other foods because they're going to gave weight. Like there's 69 00:03:35,441 --> 00:03:37,921 Speaker 4: so much fear around food. What is something you could 70 00:03:37,961 --> 00:03:39,761 Speaker 4: say to the women listening, They're like, oh my gosh, 71 00:03:39,801 --> 00:03:40,121 Speaker 4: that's me. 72 00:03:40,441 --> 00:03:42,881 Speaker 1: I think it's important to sort of identify what are 73 00:03:42,921 --> 00:03:46,481 Speaker 1: the signs of disordered eating and an eating disorder as well. 74 00:03:46,521 --> 00:03:49,521 Speaker 1: You've named a couple, you know, this preoccupation with eating 75 00:03:49,561 --> 00:03:53,001 Speaker 1: clean all the time, feeling guilty when you eat certain foods, 76 00:03:53,321 --> 00:03:57,841 Speaker 1: eating past the point a feeling full, compensating so purging, 77 00:03:58,001 --> 00:04:03,081 Speaker 1: excessive exercise, laxative use after eating. All of these really 78 00:04:03,081 --> 00:04:04,961 Speaker 1: interfere with your day to day functioning. And that's when 79 00:04:05,561 --> 00:04:09,281 Speaker 1: is an eating disorder versus disordered eating. But as we 80 00:04:09,281 --> 00:04:11,361 Speaker 1: said in the last episode, one in four women who 81 00:04:11,481 --> 00:04:13,881 Speaker 1: diet will ever go on a diet will go on 82 00:04:13,961 --> 00:04:17,841 Speaker 1: to develop an eating disorder disordered eating, and seventy five 83 00:04:17,841 --> 00:04:19,121 Speaker 1: percent won't seek help. 84 00:04:19,561 --> 00:04:21,281 Speaker 4: Wow that's a high start. 85 00:04:21,481 --> 00:04:25,361 Speaker 1: Yeah, because people think I need to lose weight, that's 86 00:04:25,721 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: the solution to this. And this is mainly for eating 87 00:04:28,161 --> 00:04:32,721 Speaker 1: disorders such as bolimia, anorexia, and binge eating disorder. There 88 00:04:32,721 --> 00:04:36,361 Speaker 1: are other feeding and eating disorders not associated with body, weight, shape, 89 00:04:36,361 --> 00:04:39,361 Speaker 1: and size. But if this is you and your listening, 90 00:04:39,361 --> 00:04:41,841 Speaker 1: I really just encourage you to reflect on how you 91 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,281 Speaker 1: got here, How did you get here? What's made you 92 00:04:46,001 --> 00:04:47,961 Speaker 1: preoccupied with this? 93 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:48,721 Speaker 4: You know? 94 00:04:48,921 --> 00:04:51,881 Speaker 1: And what are you hoping to achieve? Do you think 95 00:04:51,921 --> 00:04:56,161 Speaker 1: when I lose weight, when I'm at xyz Kilo's, that 96 00:04:56,241 --> 00:04:59,921 Speaker 1: I'm going to be happy? And if so, why what 97 00:05:00,121 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: is it that you want to achieve that you can't 98 00:05:02,961 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: achieve now as the person you are now. 99 00:05:05,841 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 4: I genuinely think that's what women think when I lose weight, 100 00:05:08,561 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 4: when I'm a size eight, when I can wear those 101 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,281 Speaker 4: clothes I see that model wearing, I will be happy. Yes, 102 00:05:13,481 --> 00:05:16,761 Speaker 4: that's honestly, I think that's such a strong belief. Yeah. 103 00:05:16,801 --> 00:05:19,081 Speaker 1: And the problem with that is you're putting all your 104 00:05:19,081 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: eggs in one basket. You're putting your happiness, your joy, 105 00:05:22,681 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: your energy into your body, image, shape, and size. And 106 00:05:27,121 --> 00:05:30,121 Speaker 1: then again that gets reinforced by society and you don't 107 00:05:30,121 --> 00:05:33,681 Speaker 1: know who you are outside of it. It becomes your identity. 108 00:05:34,281 --> 00:05:37,041 Speaker 1: And if you're doing that from a place of punishment 109 00:05:37,201 --> 00:05:39,321 Speaker 1: and hatred, like I hate my body, we want to 110 00:05:39,361 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: be skinny, you're constantly going to be in a state 111 00:05:41,761 --> 00:05:45,841 Speaker 1: of fatal flight and stress. Binge eating gets increased when 112 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,361 Speaker 1: you're dieting, so it doesn't work. You have to come 113 00:05:49,361 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: from a place of love and acceptance and engage in 114 00:05:52,241 --> 00:05:55,081 Speaker 1: health related behaviors for your mental health. For other reasons. 115 00:05:55,361 --> 00:05:57,641 Speaker 4: Yeah, I heard a quote the other day that's relative 116 00:05:57,681 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 4: to this, and that said, it's not a dream body 117 00:06:00,641 --> 00:06:02,121 Speaker 4: if it's a nightmare to maintain. 118 00:06:02,721 --> 00:06:04,801 Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my. 119 00:06:04,681 --> 00:06:06,241 Speaker 4: Goodness, that's so true. 120 00:06:06,401 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: I love that. 121 00:06:07,361 --> 00:06:10,601 Speaker 4: And honestly, like I've been down those paths before. And 122 00:06:10,641 --> 00:06:12,641 Speaker 4: even if you lose the weight and you get there, 123 00:06:12,681 --> 00:06:14,921 Speaker 4: like you might have a moment of happiness and like 124 00:06:14,961 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 4: feeling proud or like fit into those jeans, but I 125 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,921 Speaker 4: promise you it is not going to bring you happiness. 126 00:06:19,961 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 4: That is such an inside job. 127 00:06:21,401 --> 00:06:25,081 Speaker 1: Hey, and it's not gonna last. No, people who lose 128 00:06:25,121 --> 00:06:28,121 Speaker 1: weight will put it on plus interest within a five 129 00:06:28,241 --> 00:06:28,921 Speaker 1: year period. 130 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 4: Yeh. 131 00:06:29,681 --> 00:06:31,481 Speaker 1: Dting does not work. 132 00:06:31,841 --> 00:06:34,761 Speaker 4: No. I remember when I was a teen. I was 133 00:06:34,801 --> 00:06:38,761 Speaker 4: around fourteen, and my stepfather used to make me everything 134 00:06:38,801 --> 00:06:41,161 Speaker 4: in my plate and if I didn't, I would get smacked, 135 00:06:41,241 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 4: sent to my room, punished. And I hated mushrooms and 136 00:06:44,561 --> 00:06:46,081 Speaker 4: he just had this power trip so he would pile 137 00:06:46,161 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: my plate up with mushrooms, and I was not allowed 138 00:06:48,201 --> 00:06:49,921 Speaker 4: to leave the table until I ate it. So I'd 139 00:06:49,961 --> 00:06:52,001 Speaker 4: eat them, swallow them, and then go on the shower 140 00:06:52,081 --> 00:06:54,001 Speaker 4: and spew up. Yeah, because I was like, I'm not 141 00:06:54,001 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 4: gonna let him win, Like I don't want this my body. 142 00:06:56,561 --> 00:06:58,561 Speaker 4: But then I started to feel really good after I 143 00:06:58,601 --> 00:07:00,281 Speaker 4: threw up. I felt lighter, and I was going through 144 00:07:00,281 --> 00:07:02,121 Speaker 4: those teen years where I wanted to be skinny. I 145 00:07:02,161 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 4: was a dancer, Like you know, your body starts to change, 146 00:07:04,721 --> 00:07:07,121 Speaker 4: and it wasn't until I got kicked out at home 147 00:07:07,201 --> 00:07:09,481 Speaker 4: and lived with my boyfriend's parents. At the time, it 148 00:07:09,561 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 4: was like an overnight. I stopped it because I felt 149 00:07:11,881 --> 00:07:14,001 Speaker 4: safe around food. There was no pressure to eat food. 150 00:07:14,041 --> 00:07:16,601 Speaker 4: But while I was in that environment where I was 151 00:07:16,641 --> 00:07:19,521 Speaker 4: forced to eat, it became like everything I ate, he 152 00:07:19,601 --> 00:07:22,241 Speaker 4: threw up, and I was so tired all the time. 153 00:07:22,321 --> 00:07:24,281 Speaker 4: I could not keep up with my dance routine. Like 154 00:07:24,641 --> 00:07:27,401 Speaker 4: I definitely would have said I was depressed in those 155 00:07:27,401 --> 00:07:29,321 Speaker 4: two years. But when I moved out, there's no pressure 156 00:07:29,321 --> 00:07:31,121 Speaker 4: around food. I stopped straight away. 157 00:07:31,241 --> 00:07:34,361 Speaker 1: Your environment change, and isn't it so important? So important? 158 00:07:34,361 --> 00:07:37,001 Speaker 1: I love that you brought that up because bolimia is 159 00:07:37,041 --> 00:07:39,401 Speaker 1: often the hidden, not spoken thing. 160 00:07:39,601 --> 00:07:40,921 Speaker 4: There's so much shaking around it. 161 00:07:41,161 --> 00:07:43,281 Speaker 1: There's so much shame. And that's what I'm really passionate 162 00:07:43,321 --> 00:07:47,081 Speaker 1: about talking about purging because binge eatings everywhere. Everyone talks 163 00:07:47,081 --> 00:07:50,401 Speaker 1: about binge eating. It's very you know, it's more acceptable 164 00:07:50,401 --> 00:07:53,081 Speaker 1: to talk about your laugh about it, like a binge 165 00:07:53,161 --> 00:07:57,161 Speaker 1: last night. Yeah, it was purging. It's so shameful, it's disgusting. 166 00:07:57,521 --> 00:07:59,761 Speaker 1: It's these are the types of so right words that 167 00:07:59,801 --> 00:08:03,441 Speaker 1: we use. You know, you're wasting food, you're wasting money. 168 00:08:03,841 --> 00:08:08,361 Speaker 1: There's so much game around it. But it's really really common. 169 00:08:08,401 --> 00:08:11,241 Speaker 1: Even though binge eating disorder is the most common one, 170 00:08:11,601 --> 00:08:15,001 Speaker 1: bolima is just under that. But I think it's because 171 00:08:15,001 --> 00:08:16,001 Speaker 1: people don't report it. 172 00:08:16,401 --> 00:08:18,681 Speaker 4: No, I used to be so embarrassed talk about it. 173 00:08:18,721 --> 00:08:20,961 Speaker 4: Whereas you see tiktoks of like come with me on 174 00:08:21,001 --> 00:08:23,121 Speaker 4: a day of binge eating, like I hate this night, 175 00:08:23,241 --> 00:08:26,121 Speaker 4: this and it's like this normal TikTok. It's like that 176 00:08:26,121 --> 00:08:29,321 Speaker 4: that's not healthy, that's not normal. But you don't feel like, 177 00:08:29,321 --> 00:08:31,081 Speaker 4: oh watch me while I purge all of my food. 178 00:08:31,201 --> 00:08:32,401 Speaker 4: It's so much more shameful. 179 00:08:32,601 --> 00:08:36,401 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And there's a lot of judgment and stigma 180 00:08:36,441 --> 00:08:38,681 Speaker 1: around it. And I think you highlighted a lot of 181 00:08:38,761 --> 00:08:42,281 Speaker 1: risk factors like being around food and family members or 182 00:08:42,321 --> 00:08:44,401 Speaker 1: parents who like, finish the food on your play, and 183 00:08:44,761 --> 00:08:45,601 Speaker 1: this is where it starts. 184 00:08:45,641 --> 00:08:47,721 Speaker 4: It's an Africa starving exactly. 185 00:08:48,041 --> 00:08:50,481 Speaker 1: Children are intuitive eaters. 186 00:08:50,361 --> 00:08:51,801 Speaker 4: Aren't they, but the best of it. 187 00:08:51,961 --> 00:08:56,041 Speaker 1: They know how to stop. But parents suppress those instincts 188 00:08:56,041 --> 00:08:58,321 Speaker 1: by saying, finish everything on your play and then you 189 00:08:58,361 --> 00:09:01,681 Speaker 1: can go play, or they don't cry, have a lollipop. 190 00:09:01,801 --> 00:09:04,161 Speaker 1: Do you remember we go to the dentist. Yeah, pop. 191 00:09:05,041 --> 00:09:07,801 Speaker 1: It's reinforced as a reward at such a young age, 192 00:09:07,881 --> 00:09:11,881 Speaker 1: or it's used to stop emotion, control emotion, Finish everything 193 00:09:11,881 --> 00:09:13,281 Speaker 1: on your plate, you learn how to start. 194 00:09:13,321 --> 00:09:14,881 Speaker 4: Don't get dirt until you eat all of that. So 195 00:09:14,881 --> 00:09:16,641 Speaker 4: they'll eat, so they're so for just so they can 196 00:09:16,641 --> 00:09:19,361 Speaker 4: get the ice cream exactly, which I have been guilty 197 00:09:19,361 --> 00:09:21,921 Speaker 4: of doing definitely my kids, because I want them to 198 00:09:21,961 --> 00:09:23,801 Speaker 4: have nutrients. But now we're talking about it, I'm like, oh, 199 00:09:23,961 --> 00:09:24,681 Speaker 4: it's not good. 200 00:09:24,841 --> 00:09:27,881 Speaker 3: What are the effects that somebody who lives with purging, Like, 201 00:09:27,921 --> 00:09:29,601 Speaker 3: what are the actual effects of your body when you 202 00:09:29,641 --> 00:09:32,001 Speaker 3: put your body through that eat shade? 203 00:09:32,001 --> 00:09:34,681 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you asked this question. So purging is 204 00:09:34,721 --> 00:09:37,761 Speaker 1: from bolimia, and this is where people eat a large 205 00:09:37,761 --> 00:09:40,081 Speaker 1: amount of food in a short period of time with 206 00:09:40,161 --> 00:09:42,801 Speaker 1: a feeling of loss of control. That's like the definition 207 00:09:42,881 --> 00:09:45,921 Speaker 1: of a binge. Now it's okay to binge from time 208 00:09:45,961 --> 00:09:49,801 Speaker 1: to time. It's totally fine to overeat on Christmas or Easter. 209 00:09:49,841 --> 00:09:51,801 Speaker 4: Before your period, before you period, on. 210 00:09:51,721 --> 00:09:57,961 Speaker 1: Your period, but it's the level of distress. It causes 211 00:09:58,041 --> 00:10:01,601 Speaker 1: the feeling of being out of control and the shame 212 00:10:01,681 --> 00:10:03,721 Speaker 1: and the guilt that comes with it. People might eat 213 00:10:03,721 --> 00:10:06,721 Speaker 1: in secret. So you've got binge eating that's been geating disorder, 214 00:10:07,161 --> 00:10:09,241 Speaker 1: and you have to have been binging at least once 215 00:10:09,281 --> 00:10:12,441 Speaker 1: a week for a significant period of time to get 216 00:10:12,521 --> 00:10:15,401 Speaker 1: the disorder. And it effects your life. So if you bingejeap, 217 00:10:15,441 --> 00:10:20,081 Speaker 1: but then you compensate so vomiting, laxative use, exercise, fasting, 218 00:10:20,361 --> 00:10:23,361 Speaker 1: that's bolimia. There are so many effects of it. So 219 00:10:23,361 --> 00:10:26,441 Speaker 1: you've got the physical effects, you know, damaged enamel on 220 00:10:26,521 --> 00:10:30,401 Speaker 1: your teeth because you know you're purging the acid, you 221 00:10:30,441 --> 00:10:36,561 Speaker 1: can get esophagus tear damage in there, your digestive system, bloating, 222 00:10:36,721 --> 00:10:38,441 Speaker 1: and this is the thing so many people with eating 223 00:10:38,481 --> 00:10:42,761 Speaker 1: disorders get bloating and they attribute that to being fat. Facts, 224 00:10:42,761 --> 00:10:45,561 Speaker 1: I've bloating, So then they feel bad they and the 225 00:10:45,681 --> 00:10:50,481 Speaker 1: purg the purging is causing that and all distress which 226 00:10:50,521 --> 00:10:56,481 Speaker 1: reinforces it. Yeah, and when they're compensated, like you said, 227 00:10:56,641 --> 00:11:00,681 Speaker 1: it can bring feelings of euphoria or relief, especially when 228 00:11:00,761 --> 00:11:04,761 Speaker 1: with ADHD, it can provide that that dopamine response and 229 00:11:05,121 --> 00:11:09,401 Speaker 1: a good But apart from the physical damages, there's financial. 230 00:11:09,521 --> 00:11:11,881 Speaker 1: I've had people who spend seven hundred dollars a week 231 00:11:11,881 --> 00:11:14,681 Speaker 1: on uber eats. This is more of a binge eating disorder, 232 00:11:14,801 --> 00:11:17,761 Speaker 1: not bulimia. But eating disorders are expensive. 233 00:11:18,481 --> 00:11:18,721 Speaker 3: Wow. 234 00:11:18,881 --> 00:11:21,841 Speaker 1: The lengths people go to to replace food that they 235 00:11:22,001 --> 00:11:23,681 Speaker 1: take in the family home because they don't want to 236 00:11:23,681 --> 00:11:27,161 Speaker 1: be found out takeaways. I've had people twenty thousand dollars 237 00:11:27,161 --> 00:11:29,201 Speaker 1: in debt because of after pay. Now you can after 238 00:11:29,241 --> 00:11:33,321 Speaker 1: pay food, can you really? Yeah, yeah, you can after 239 00:11:33,361 --> 00:11:36,841 Speaker 1: pay takeout, et cetera. The lengths you go to hide 240 00:11:36,881 --> 00:11:40,441 Speaker 1: it or control it. So there's financial, there's physical, there's social. 241 00:11:40,601 --> 00:11:42,681 Speaker 1: People don't eat out with friends because they're too scared 242 00:11:42,681 --> 00:11:46,561 Speaker 1: they're going to binge. Then they'll binge later. Relationships trying 243 00:11:46,561 --> 00:11:50,401 Speaker 1: to hide it family members. It can be really really 244 00:11:50,401 --> 00:11:53,761 Speaker 1: tricky to bring up the topic. But it has so 245 00:11:53,841 --> 00:11:59,841 Speaker 1: many impacts, even just your mood, comorbid anxiety, depression, personality disorders, 246 00:12:00,401 --> 00:12:01,001 Speaker 1: there's a lot. 247 00:12:01,521 --> 00:12:04,041 Speaker 4: So where do you think it started from? Like purge 248 00:12:04,041 --> 00:12:05,401 Speaker 4: eating and binge eating. 249 00:12:06,321 --> 00:12:09,921 Speaker 1: Usually there's a few genetic vulnerabilities towards eating disorders if 250 00:12:09,921 --> 00:12:12,921 Speaker 1: it's in your family. Again learned behavior. So if you 251 00:12:12,921 --> 00:12:14,641 Speaker 1: see your mum dieting, So I grew up in a 252 00:12:14,841 --> 00:12:16,961 Speaker 1: Greek household, and I grew up in the low carb 253 00:12:17,081 --> 00:12:19,961 Speaker 1: era and the duke and diet and all that, and 254 00:12:20,161 --> 00:12:22,601 Speaker 1: I just thought it was normal. Oh okay, so losing 255 00:12:22,641 --> 00:12:25,441 Speaker 1: weight is a hobbyler we should all do, so, I 256 00:12:25,441 --> 00:12:29,601 Speaker 1: think seeing it in your your parents. And then usually 257 00:12:29,681 --> 00:12:31,561 Speaker 1: what happens is people will go on a diet and 258 00:12:31,601 --> 00:12:35,601 Speaker 1: they will restrict, restrict, restrict, but biologically your body cannot 259 00:12:35,641 --> 00:12:38,001 Speaker 1: do that. Your body is in a state of famine. 260 00:12:38,041 --> 00:12:41,641 Speaker 1: It's starving. And then people will eat something like a 261 00:12:41,641 --> 00:12:44,041 Speaker 1: piece of chocolate and in their mind they've broke a 262 00:12:44,121 --> 00:12:46,841 Speaker 1: dietary rule. And the minute you break a dietary rule, 263 00:12:46,881 --> 00:12:48,481 Speaker 1: like oh, I wasn't meant to eat carbs or wasn't 264 00:12:48,481 --> 00:12:51,641 Speaker 1: meant to eat sugar. Screw it, I've stuffed up. They 265 00:12:51,721 --> 00:12:54,321 Speaker 1: get into this flat tire syndrome. So it's like you're 266 00:12:54,401 --> 00:12:56,801 Speaker 1: driving along the freeway and one of your tires pops. 267 00:12:57,041 --> 00:12:58,641 Speaker 1: So they get out and they say, oh, well, and 268 00:12:58,681 --> 00:13:01,041 Speaker 1: I'll slash my other food tires chocolate, I might as 269 00:13:01,081 --> 00:13:01,481 Speaker 1: well just eat. 270 00:13:01,561 --> 00:13:02,961 Speaker 4: It's a good analogy the whole block. 271 00:13:03,121 --> 00:13:07,801 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then that causes shame, panic and the fear 272 00:13:07,841 --> 00:13:11,001 Speaker 1: of weight gain is what leads people to perch binge 273 00:13:11,001 --> 00:13:14,161 Speaker 1: eating disorder. Not everyone's preoccupied with their weight, shape and size, 274 00:13:14,281 --> 00:13:18,681 Speaker 1: but bolimia and anorexia. There's a big preoccupation on weight, 275 00:13:18,721 --> 00:13:21,401 Speaker 1: shape and size and the fear of gaining weight because 276 00:13:21,841 --> 00:13:25,041 Speaker 1: they attribute their self worth to their weight. Where does 277 00:13:25,081 --> 00:13:28,481 Speaker 1: it come from social media as well? Growing up with 278 00:13:28,561 --> 00:13:32,561 Speaker 1: the thin ideal looking online, comparing yourself to other people. 279 00:13:32,801 --> 00:13:36,441 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's those celebrities and models like Gigii Did 280 00:13:36,521 --> 00:13:40,041 Speaker 4: and Kate Moss and all the genetically slim girls are 281 00:13:40,041 --> 00:13:42,961 Speaker 4: being idolized Kendil Jenna, and then people think that if 282 00:13:43,001 --> 00:13:45,161 Speaker 4: I diet, I could look like them. But genetically your 283 00:13:45,201 --> 00:13:47,321 Speaker 4: body's not even close to being like the makeup of. 284 00:13:47,281 --> 00:13:51,561 Speaker 1: Theirs exactly, yes, And it was so normalized back there. 285 00:13:51,601 --> 00:13:55,161 Speaker 1: I remember his next top model, the Biggest Loser Weightless 286 00:13:55,201 --> 00:13:59,521 Speaker 1: was competitive and it was celebrated and these poor people. 287 00:14:00,321 --> 00:14:03,281 Speaker 4: And then I think, in someone's mindset, if they are 288 00:14:03,401 --> 00:14:07,001 Speaker 4: purging bleamic or dieting, do you think a lot of 289 00:14:07,041 --> 00:14:09,641 Speaker 4: them are scared that Because I love intuitive eating, I 290 00:14:09,641 --> 00:14:11,761 Speaker 4: feel like day to day my diet food I eat 291 00:14:11,841 --> 00:14:13,481 Speaker 4: is always different depending on what I'm feeling, where I'm 292 00:14:13,481 --> 00:14:16,521 Speaker 4: out in my cycle, if I've trained, not trained. But 293 00:14:16,601 --> 00:14:18,321 Speaker 4: do you think if they go to intuitive eating from 294 00:14:18,401 --> 00:14:20,401 Speaker 4: calorie counting. What I hear from women is that I'm 295 00:14:20,441 --> 00:14:22,361 Speaker 4: so scared I'm going to be too intuitive or like 296 00:14:22,561 --> 00:14:24,921 Speaker 4: not know when to stop, and then I will gain 297 00:14:24,921 --> 00:14:26,481 Speaker 4: weight because it's like I feel like a chocolate. Of 298 00:14:26,521 --> 00:14:28,001 Speaker 4: course you can have a chocolate. It's like, then you 299 00:14:28,001 --> 00:14:29,761 Speaker 4: start doing it every day because I don't want to 300 00:14:29,801 --> 00:14:31,681 Speaker 4: be restrictive. And you know, when I just listen to 301 00:14:31,721 --> 00:14:33,561 Speaker 4: my body, my body's telling me eat a block of cabri. 302 00:14:34,121 --> 00:14:35,921 Speaker 4: So how do you what advice do you? 303 00:14:36,481 --> 00:14:39,521 Speaker 1: Loving brought this up, so there's this sort of whole spectrum, right, 304 00:14:39,601 --> 00:14:42,601 Speaker 1: and when we first improve someone's relationship with food, The 305 00:14:42,641 --> 00:14:45,841 Speaker 1: first thing I focus on is food structure, because people 306 00:14:45,841 --> 00:14:48,721 Speaker 1: with eating disorders usually have very poor structure. They don't 307 00:14:48,721 --> 00:14:51,881 Speaker 1: eat breakfast, they try to push everything out, they're suppressing 308 00:14:51,961 --> 00:14:54,401 Speaker 1: with coffee, and then they'll binge later on in the day. 309 00:14:54,881 --> 00:14:57,281 Speaker 1: What we find that throughout this period where they're allowed 310 00:14:57,281 --> 00:14:59,041 Speaker 1: to eat whatever you want, whenever you want, as long 311 00:14:59,041 --> 00:15:01,601 Speaker 1: as it's in a structure. Yes, you will go on 312 00:15:01,601 --> 00:15:05,041 Speaker 1: a food honeymoon. It's inevitable. You're going to enjoy food. 313 00:15:05,161 --> 00:15:08,721 Speaker 1: You might overindulge in foods. But this stage doesn't last forever. 314 00:15:09,041 --> 00:15:10,681 Speaker 1: And a lot of people think, oh, but what if 315 00:15:10,721 --> 00:15:14,241 Speaker 1: I gain weight. Your weight might change a little bit, 316 00:15:14,321 --> 00:15:17,881 Speaker 1: because your weight will fluctuate throughout your life. It's normal, 317 00:15:17,921 --> 00:15:21,761 Speaker 1: it's fine. But once you get through that honeymoon food 318 00:15:21,841 --> 00:15:25,401 Speaker 1: stage and you do get towards intuitive eating again, which 319 00:15:25,441 --> 00:15:27,281 Speaker 1: is a process you've got to go through a series 320 00:15:27,321 --> 00:15:31,481 Speaker 1: of suess, your body will naturally find or it's comfortable 321 00:15:31,561 --> 00:15:34,121 Speaker 1: and where it wants to be, Especially if you've had 322 00:15:34,121 --> 00:15:38,601 Speaker 1: a history of restriction. Weight game might be necessary. Yeah, 323 00:15:38,761 --> 00:15:42,161 Speaker 1: it might actually be needed, and it might be necessary 324 00:15:42,841 --> 00:15:44,721 Speaker 1: to start your recovery and your journey. 325 00:15:44,841 --> 00:15:46,961 Speaker 4: Yeah, even to get your period back and to balance 326 00:15:46,961 --> 00:15:50,081 Speaker 4: out your hormones and get your skin nice and glowing again. 327 00:15:51,081 --> 00:15:53,241 Speaker 4: I remember my girlfriend was in and out of hospital 328 00:15:53,281 --> 00:15:56,521 Speaker 4: with anorexia and I went to one in Melbourne. Her 329 00:15:56,561 --> 00:15:58,561 Speaker 4: mum was like forcing her to go, and you go 330 00:15:58,601 --> 00:16:00,241 Speaker 4: and stay there for like twelve weeks and go on 331 00:16:00,241 --> 00:16:02,201 Speaker 4: a program. And she asked me to come and have 332 00:16:02,241 --> 00:16:04,641 Speaker 4: a look with her. And I remember walking through and 333 00:16:04,721 --> 00:16:07,001 Speaker 4: all the these girls like sitting around a table literally 334 00:16:07,081 --> 00:16:10,001 Speaker 4: like sitting there, shoulders rolled over. They've all got their 335 00:16:10,041 --> 00:16:12,721 Speaker 4: like white bread sandwich in front of them, none of 336 00:16:12,721 --> 00:16:14,041 Speaker 4: them eating, but they're not allowed to leave the room 337 00:16:14,081 --> 00:16:16,401 Speaker 4: until they eat. And I remember pulling her mom aside 338 00:16:16,401 --> 00:16:19,601 Speaker 4: and being like, do you honestly think this is the 339 00:16:19,641 --> 00:16:21,881 Speaker 4: best environment. Let her come and live with me for 340 00:16:21,881 --> 00:16:24,121 Speaker 4: a month and let me teach her and show her 341 00:16:24,161 --> 00:16:26,201 Speaker 4: other healthy ways to do this and make food fun. 342 00:16:26,241 --> 00:16:29,681 Speaker 4: And she did, and she's been amazing of not saying 343 00:16:29,721 --> 00:16:32,361 Speaker 4: I can cure it eating disorder, but I just that 344 00:16:32,601 --> 00:16:34,961 Speaker 4: environment for women to go to a rehab place like that, 345 00:16:35,041 --> 00:16:37,401 Speaker 4: like I was just so against. I'm sure there's great 346 00:16:37,401 --> 00:16:39,521 Speaker 4: ones out there, but what are your thoughts on that? 347 00:16:39,561 --> 00:16:41,801 Speaker 4: Because it broke my heart watching these women just sit 348 00:16:41,841 --> 00:16:45,161 Speaker 4: there terrified of their sandwich, comparing themselves to the other 349 00:16:45,201 --> 00:16:48,081 Speaker 4: girls that are in there. And my girlfriend said that 350 00:16:48,121 --> 00:16:50,041 Speaker 4: it was a competition like that she wanted to be 351 00:16:50,081 --> 00:16:51,641 Speaker 4: the skinniest, so she was not going to touch the 352 00:16:51,681 --> 00:16:53,801 Speaker 4: sandwich because and if she ate it, she's gonna be 353 00:16:53,801 --> 00:16:57,121 Speaker 4: the fat one. It was just like so sad. 354 00:16:57,681 --> 00:17:00,961 Speaker 1: An eating disorder. When we talk about anarexia, it's very 355 00:17:01,321 --> 00:17:05,321 Speaker 1: very serious because you're sort of bordering that medical it's 356 00:17:05,321 --> 00:17:08,441 Speaker 1: a medical condition as well, right, So anorexia is having 357 00:17:08,761 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: preoccupation with weight, shape and size, restricting your calorie so 358 00:17:13,681 --> 00:17:15,801 Speaker 1: much you lose a large amount of weight, but that 359 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:21,041 Speaker 1: puts you under what is appropriate for your height, etc. 360 00:17:21,481 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: And puts you at risk. And the treatment for anorexia, 361 00:17:26,321 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: usually in the beginning is refeeding, and that's why they 362 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:31,521 Speaker 1: will take you to a hospital or a clinic because 363 00:17:31,761 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: they need to get stable again because if you're not eating, 364 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: you're not thinking clearly. You can't do cognitive therapy on 365 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: someone who's male nurished. True, Yeah, and eating disorders are 366 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: also very competitive, So yes, those environments can be very 367 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:48,761 Speaker 1: triggering because the reason so many people don't get help 368 00:17:49,001 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: is because they think I'm not sick enough, you know, 369 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:54,321 Speaker 1: and then seeing girls in there who are thinner than 370 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:57,401 Speaker 1: them and who are not eating. Yeah, it just would 371 00:17:57,441 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: trigger so many different things. I think it can be 372 00:17:59,681 --> 00:18:03,761 Speaker 1: definitely helpful for a particular reason or season for some people. 373 00:18:04,241 --> 00:18:05,721 Speaker 4: Everyone's so different, right. 374 00:18:05,521 --> 00:18:08,681 Speaker 1: Everyone's different. But after that, it's so important they continue 375 00:18:08,681 --> 00:18:11,041 Speaker 1: the journey because many people say, oh, they just tried 376 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,761 Speaker 1: to feed me and they didn't help me after the 377 00:18:13,761 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: refeeding with anarexia, you've got to do the cognitive work. 378 00:18:17,481 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: So retraining the thoughts when you're stable, yeah, yeah. 379 00:18:21,681 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 4: Have the right support around you, in the right environment. 380 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:26,961 Speaker 3: Yeah, with saying before as well, people thinking that they're 381 00:18:26,961 --> 00:18:29,281 Speaker 3: not sick enough, like, what are some signs where people 382 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:32,401 Speaker 3: can reevaluate their own life and go, oh, maybe it 383 00:18:32,481 --> 00:18:34,681 Speaker 3: is time that I need help, Like even with binging, 384 00:18:34,801 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 3: is it when they're being secretive and replacing things, like 385 00:18:37,241 --> 00:18:39,281 Speaker 3: is there any little like signs along the way where 386 00:18:39,321 --> 00:18:41,801 Speaker 3: they can kind of go, okay, maybe I'm at that point. 387 00:18:42,201 --> 00:18:44,321 Speaker 1: Yeah, such a good question. So some of the signs 388 00:18:44,321 --> 00:18:46,561 Speaker 1: to be concerned about, and you can notice this in 389 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,281 Speaker 1: other people too, is just this preoccupation with weight, shape 390 00:18:50,281 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: and size, you know, food and your body takes up 391 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,321 Speaker 1: a lot of mental real estate thinking about it all 392 00:18:55,360 --> 00:19:01,401 Speaker 1: the time. You are weighing your food, your counting calories, macros, etc. 393 00:19:02,441 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: Your pie chart of life, if we were to do 394 00:19:05,201 --> 00:19:08,761 Speaker 1: chat of your life is heavily around body image, weight, 395 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: shape and size. Signs of binge eating in Bolimia, you know, 396 00:19:12,481 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: eating in secrets, not eating around people, eating very clean 397 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: in public, and then binge eating on high caloric food 398 00:19:21,281 --> 00:19:25,801 Speaker 1: in private, and just feeling a loss of control, feeling ashamed. 399 00:19:26,201 --> 00:19:30,081 Speaker 1: Even how you dress. You might wear particularly baggy clothing, 400 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,721 Speaker 1: but the important thing is it's not about how you look. 401 00:19:33,801 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: Eating disorders don't discriminate based on race, shape, size. Anyone 402 00:19:38,681 --> 00:19:42,161 Speaker 1: could be having one. And that's why atypical anorexia. Every 403 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: time I post about that on TikTok, I get a 404 00:19:44,801 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: lot of backlash. Oh, it's so invalidating. What it basically 405 00:19:48,681 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: means is you have all the symptoms of anorexia, but 406 00:19:51,801 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: you're not below that expected weight, so you can be restrictive. 407 00:19:56,441 --> 00:19:58,481 Speaker 1: You could have lost a lot of weight, you can 408 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,361 Speaker 1: be preoccupied with your weight, but you're at an average 409 00:20:02,441 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: or above average weight for what's expected, but you still 410 00:20:05,921 --> 00:20:09,041 Speaker 1: have an eating disorder. It's psychological, not physical. 411 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,281 Speaker 3: And you've got a program as well that you're doing. 412 00:20:12,481 --> 00:20:16,241 Speaker 1: Oh yes, So Food Freedom is a twelve week program. 413 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:19,201 Speaker 1: It's an online group where we meet as a group 414 00:20:19,321 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: once a week and it's for anyone who's struggled with 415 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: binge eating, purging and women who think they may or 416 00:20:26,521 --> 00:20:30,281 Speaker 1: may not have ADHD, because there's a huge link between 417 00:20:30,321 --> 00:20:32,681 Speaker 1: it and I sort of developed this program because I've 418 00:20:32,681 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: done one on one work for a very long time. 419 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,961 Speaker 1: But what we're found is with eating disorders and ADHD, 420 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: the most efficacious type of work is group work, and 421 00:20:43,681 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: people feel really validated and heard and supported to be 422 00:20:47,201 --> 00:20:50,201 Speaker 1: in a group. And it's online, so you've got modules, 423 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,801 Speaker 1: so the videos are there, you can watch them because 424 00:20:52,921 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: people that actually will forget what's sett in therapy a 425 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: lot of the time. There's a structure. There's four things 426 00:20:58,481 --> 00:21:00,921 Speaker 1: you really want to be focusing on if you want 427 00:21:00,961 --> 00:21:03,001 Speaker 1: to improve your relationship with food. 428 00:21:04,041 --> 00:21:06,241 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so cool, and so do you take them 429 00:21:06,241 --> 00:21:08,561 Speaker 4: through like everyone goes through at the same time. Okay, 430 00:21:08,681 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 4: anyone download the program and do it at their own pace. 431 00:21:11,481 --> 00:21:15,001 Speaker 1: There's set dates that it starts, so they happened regularly, 432 00:21:15,041 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: so You can join at any time and people are 433 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,321 Speaker 1: welcome to jump on a call with me. It's free, 434 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:22,001 Speaker 1: just to see if you be the right fix. I 435 00:21:22,001 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: want to make sure that it's the right fit for people, 436 00:21:24,721 --> 00:21:27,401 Speaker 1: you know, depending on what's going on in their lives. 437 00:21:27,921 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: But it's been really great. I take questionnaires at the start, 438 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: at the end, and it's really something I'm passionate about because, yeah, 439 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,201 Speaker 1: I wish this was around it and I went through 440 00:21:38,441 --> 00:21:39,601 Speaker 1: my eating there wasn't a lot. 441 00:21:39,801 --> 00:21:41,761 Speaker 4: It's like coaching meets psychology. 442 00:21:41,961 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool. So we use a lot of 443 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,241 Speaker 1: psychological principles in there. I guess I've sort of tailor 444 00:21:48,281 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: made this program to include lots of different things, bits 445 00:21:51,441 --> 00:21:55,041 Speaker 1: of CBT, bits of DBT, but it does have a. 446 00:21:54,961 --> 00:21:57,161 Speaker 4: Coaching approach because I love that. 447 00:21:57,041 --> 00:21:59,801 Speaker 1: We're very accessible. It's in a group. You can ask questions, 448 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: which is what people need. 449 00:22:01,201 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 4: And there's no shame around it either. 450 00:22:03,001 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: No shame, very open. 451 00:22:05,281 --> 00:22:08,041 Speaker 4: Yeah, not so lonely and daunting doing it with a group. 452 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 4: It's kind of cool. So much healing when you come 453 00:22:11,241 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 4: together as a collective, isn't it. 454 00:22:12,721 --> 00:22:14,201 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so good. 455 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,081 Speaker 4: You have a podcast you obviously talk about this a lot. More, 456 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:17,961 Speaker 4: which is really cool. 457 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, the What's Eating You podcast we're go into a 458 00:22:19,961 --> 00:22:23,481 Speaker 1: lot more detail topics as well. But I think if 459 00:22:23,521 --> 00:22:25,961 Speaker 1: you're listening to this and you think this could be you, 460 00:22:26,921 --> 00:22:31,281 Speaker 1: don't wait. Don't wait. Eating disorders, disordered eating, they don't 461 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: get better, And the research has shown that people can 462 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,241 Speaker 1: wait up to ten years before seeing help. You know, 463 00:22:37,281 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: I've got women who are sixty in my program, I've 464 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,761 Speaker 1: got eighteen year olds, lots of different women across the lifespan, 465 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,161 Speaker 1: and just know that hating your body doesn't change it, 466 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,921 Speaker 1: and that you can develop a healthy, happy life at 467 00:22:53,961 --> 00:22:57,561 Speaker 1: your current size whilst working on other parts of you. 468 00:22:57,961 --> 00:23:01,401 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I absolutely love that. Oh, thank you so 469 00:23:01,481 --> 00:23:03,681 Speaker 4: much for being here today. I really appreciate your time 470 00:23:03,721 --> 00:23:04,481 Speaker 4: and your knowledge. 471 00:23:05,721 --> 00:23:07,681 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thanks so much. 472 00:23:07,801 --> 00:23:09,921 Speaker 4: We'll leave all of steat details in the show notes below, 473 00:23:09,961 --> 00:23:11,761 Speaker 4: So if you wanted to connect or join in your course, 474 00:23:11,801 --> 00:23:17,361 Speaker 4: look at your book, listen to your podcast. Yes, it'll 475 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 4: will be in the show notes below. But thank you 476 00:23:18,721 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 4: so much, and hopefully we'll have you on again soon. 477 00:23:20,521 --> 00:23:21,761 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much.