1 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fear and Greed business news you can use today. 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: The Albanezi government claims it can reach home building targets 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: after Treasury advice said it's unlikely. By Minister Anthony Alberzi 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: pushes Australia and China to work together on decarbonizing steel, 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: and bitcoin surges hitting a new record, plus the Bureau 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: of Statistics readies for the next five year survey and 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: measle cases surge in the United States. It's Tuesday, the 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: fifteenth of July twenty twenty five. I'm Adam Lang and 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: good morning Sean Almer. 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: Good morning a Danski. I do believe you're in Canberra today. 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: Fresh this morning, I would. 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: Imagine, so fresh and dark, very clear. 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: Skuys though, will you be going for your normal twenty 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: k run that you've seen to do in the morning, 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: so I hope. 16 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: So meanwhile, let's get on with the main story this morning. 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,319 Speaker 1: The Albanezi government has been told by the Treasury that 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: the budget cannot be fixed without raising taxes and cutting spending, 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: and that its housing target is unachievable. 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: The advice, which the ABC obtained via a Freedom of 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: information request, came after Labour's re election and what was 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: the government's signature pledge to build one point two million 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: homes over five years to address the housing crisis will 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: not be met, it says treasure Jim Chalmers will need 25 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: to find additional revenue and spending reductions to meet his 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: objective of a sustainable budget. Improvements to the budget will 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: need to come from economic growth, additional revenue and spending reductions, 28 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: and tax should be raised as part of broader tax reform. 29 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 2: The advice doesn't recommend which taxes should be raised, but 30 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: suggests that Treasury canvasses in direct taxes and superannuation tax 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: as possible targets. It also appears to favor lower taxes 32 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: on companies to help boost investment, and on personal incomes 33 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: to encourage workforce participation and give workers a fair go. Now. 34 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: The information came from Treasury's Incoming Government Brief. It's called 35 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: it Goes to the Incoming Government after the election went 36 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: to mister Charmers and Housing Minister Clara O'Neill. Under freedom 37 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 2: of information rules, media outlet's normally get a heavily redacted version, 38 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: but basically Treasury appears to have mistakenly provided the ABC 39 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: with a fuller than normal version with all this information. 40 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: That is stunning and much to our benefit. Seawn, it 41 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: was leaked yesterday. So what was the government's response. 42 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: Federal treasure Jim Chalmers said he was relaxed about the league. 43 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: He said the government had already said it needs to 44 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: do more to hit its housing targets. He reckons he 45 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: can achieve the target, or at least the government can 46 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: achieve that target. Charmers said the government broadly would like 47 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: to simplify the tax system. He wouldn't be drawn on 48 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: the GST, but it just seems, based on his comments 49 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: and things that the Prime Minister has said over the 50 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: past couple of weeks, the gst's off the table. Charmers 51 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: also said the government had conservatives assumptions on the price 52 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: of iron ore, assuming iron ore prices stay around that 53 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 2: one hundred US dollars a ton mark, which is where 54 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: at the moment, that should help the budget bottom line. 55 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: The treasure is heading to South Africa later in the 56 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: week for the g twenty summit. He said that global 57 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: economic conditions will be the primary influence on the local economy. 58 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: He also called the current state of affairs I'll quote 59 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: him extreme global economic uncertainty compounded by conflict and trade 60 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: tensions around the world end quote. 61 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: Sean Prime Minister Anthony Alberonizi, who is currently visiting China, 62 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: talked up the partnership between Ossie iron ore miners and 63 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: Chinese steelmakers yesterday, highlighting that Australian iron ore comprises about 64 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: sixty percent of all all imports into China. 65 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: And that lead to a discussion about the need to 66 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: decarbonize steel making. Steel making value chains are responsible for 67 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: about seven to nine percent of global emissions, a big 68 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: chunk of what's going into the air. Albernez. He said 69 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: decarbonization of steel value chains presents an opportunity for Australia 70 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: and China to progress long term economic interests. The Prime 71 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: Minister mentioned Fortesqu's ambitious green Metals project, Hancock Prospecting's research 72 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: projects in the low carbon processing technology, and collaborations between 73 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: BHP RIO and Chinese firms. Mister Albernezi also agreed that 74 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: the strong economic relationship between China and Australia can improve 75 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: peace instability in the region. The PM will be meeting 76 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 2: President Jijing Pin today. That's at least the plan at 77 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 2: this point. Decarbonization and free trade are two main areas 78 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: of interest. He wants to discuss. 79 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: Sean alongside this. How did local markets perform yesterday? 80 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: There's in pasx two hundred closed down ever so slightly 81 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: to eight thousand, five hundred and seventy points. The banks 82 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 2: were mixed so to the big miners, almost like the 83 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: investors are on school holidays. At the moment. It's a 84 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: pretty good day for the gold stocks. In the back 85 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: of the geo political uncertainty, Northern Star, Newmont and Evolution 86 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: Mining all rows. That same uncertainty hurt some of the 87 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 2: mid cap textoks, Zip Appen Block, they all fell. 88 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,239 Speaker 1: Sean Bitcoin has not yet another record, pushing beyond US 89 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty thousand dollars a unit. This is incredible. 90 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: Yes, it certainly has plenty of friends out there. At 91 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 2: the moment, it's now training around one hundred and eighty 92 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: thousand Ossie dollars a unit. Pretty amazing. It's up nearly 93 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: sixty percent since it's low in April, eighty seven percent 94 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: over the past year. Overnight, the US House of Representatives 95 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: were set to debate a series of bills to provide 96 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: the digital asset industry with a national regulatory framework, which 97 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: advocates for the currency have long wanted. Helping is the 98 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: fact that Donald Trump has called himself the crypto President. 99 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: Of course, Bitcoin's renewed momentum has also spilled over to 100 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: smaller tokens, with ether, XRP and Solana au rising. 101 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: If you want to keep on top of all of 102 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: these stats and the information on cryptos, sign up to 103 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: the newsletter now go to our website. Sign up. You'll 104 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: get that newsletter in your inbox every weekday. We'll be 105 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: back in a moment with the rest of the day's 106 00:05:53,360 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: business news. Sean. The first census questions on sexual orientation 107 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: and gender will be sent out to sixty thousand households 108 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: as part of a practice version of the twenty twenty 109 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: six nationwide serve. 110 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: The Bureau of Statistics said the homes have been chosen 111 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: to take part in a census on August five to 112 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 2: make sure the real event runs without incident. Now the 113 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: real event is next year. It will include questions so 114 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: that the test event will include questions which hopefully run 115 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 2: in the real event, and they include things about sexual 116 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: orientation and gender for people over at sixteen. The abs 117 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: SAT homes in Melbourne Perth, as well as locations in 118 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: Regional Queensland, New South Wales and Western Australia were chosen 119 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: for the voluntary test run. The Census is a nationwide 120 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: count of household information is conducted every five years. Basically 121 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: provides a snapshot of Australia's population and helps inform government 122 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: decisions about spending, resource allocation and policy development. 123 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: Sean bidders for Abacus Storage king I've upped their offer 124 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: for the group by almost fifteen percent to two point 125 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: two billion dollars. 126 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: Tell us about that, Well, it's enough to convince the 127 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: ASX listed company's board to open the books to the 128 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: bidders now. Those bidders are led by a South African 129 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: businessman and a Wall Street listed company. In April, Abicus 130 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: rejected a dollar forty seven security bid, saying it's port 131 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: Foiholio is valued at dollars seventy three. The latest offer 132 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,559 Speaker 2: is about a dollar sixty five. I think it closed 133 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: last night at about a buck fifty six or thereabouts. 134 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: Apicus owns two hundred and ten self storage sites in 135 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: Australia and New Zealand. Adding to the intrigue, another storage 136 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: operator ASX listed National Storage rate actually owns nine percent 137 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: of Abicus. It owned just under five percent when the 138 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: bid was made in April by the offshore guy's National 139 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: Storage Up. It's increased to nine percent. We're going to 140 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: hear a lot more about this one. 141 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: Sean Diversified minus South thirty two has put its production 142 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: guidance under review, flagging an unquantified expense on its Moses 143 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: aluminium smelter in Mozambique. 144 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: The problem here is getting energy to the mine. So 145 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: electricity is supplied to MASL under an agreement due to 146 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: expire in March next year. Historically, the majority of the 147 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: electricity for MASL has been generated in Mozambiak by a 148 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: hydro electric power generation which is majority owned by the 149 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: Mozambacon government. Negotiations on that seem to have stalled. They're 150 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: looking obviously South thirty two wants affordable power after March 151 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: next year. It just seems that he's not confident that 152 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: negotiations as they stand again to get it that way. 153 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: Therefore made that warning. Yesterday. South thirty two share price 154 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 2: for more than five percent Sean. 155 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: Yesterday there were quite a few bits and pieces of 156 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: corporate news around Drone Shield will invest a thirteen million 157 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: dollars sum in a major new research, development and manufacturing facility, 158 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: and that is triple the size of its current facility. 159 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: That pushed its share price up as much as twelve 160 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: percent yesterday to a record high. Retailer City Chic Collective 161 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: said it will make a profit for the last financial 162 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: year after losing money the previous year, but the forecast 163 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 2: bottom line disappointed at investors. Its share price closed down 164 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: one percent, and some technologies upgraded its underlying profit outlooks, 165 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 2: sending its share price up eleven percent. Coal minor Bowen 166 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: Cochin resumed trading on the AX after a three week 167 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: suspension sparked by growing concerns about its liquidity. Its share 168 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: price closed up four percent, and finally, mcquarie Technology Group 169 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: said its Data center arm had entered into an option 170 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: to purchase a parcel of land for a new data 171 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: center campus in Sydney. It's share price jump ten percent, 172 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: the best of the top two hundred yesterday. 173 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: Sean It's been another big twenty four hours. In international news, 174 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: the fallout from Donald Trump's announcement of tariffs on the 175 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: European Union continues with a German Chancellor, Friedrich Mertz saying 176 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: thirty percent tariffs would hit exporters in Europe's largest economy 177 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: to the core. 178 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: Mertz is hoping to find a negotiated solution in coming weeks. 179 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 2: He said. If the tariffs are introduced, they will overshadow 180 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: domestic policy in Germany's government may you need to postpone 181 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: parts of its own policy efforts. The European Union will 182 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: extend the suspension of trade counter measures against the US 183 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: until August one, in the hope that further talks will 184 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: kind of come to some sort of arrangement between the 185 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: EU and the US. However, according to Italy's foreign minister, 186 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: the EU has already prepared a list of tariffs on 187 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: US goods if the two regions fail to reach a deal. Meanwhile, 188 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: Bloomberg is reporting that the EU will step up its 189 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: engagement with other countries hit by US tariffs. Both Canada 190 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: and Japan are included in those plans. 191 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: Shwn measles in the US, the number of reported measles 192 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: cases in the US has reached a thirty three year high, 193 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: with nearly thirteen hundred confirmed infections across the country, marking 194 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: a new milestone in the outbreak of the highly contagious 195 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: and vaccine preventable disease. 196 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: The John Hopkins University data shows measles cases have been 197 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: reported in thirty eight states and the District of Columbia 198 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: this year. At least three people have died from the illness. 199 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty five others were in hospital. A 200 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: vast majority of the measle cases ninety two percent, wherein 201 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: people who were either unvaccinated or whose vaccination status was unknown, 202 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: according to the Center for Disease Control. The outbreak comes 203 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 2: as anti vaccine sentiment in the US and elsewhere has 204 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: grown in recent years. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Junior 205 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: had previously spread misinformation about childhood vaccinations and had minimized 206 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: the outbreak. He later endorsed the measles months and rubella 207 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: vaccine as the illness spread, saying in a post on 208 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: x that it is the most effective way to prevent 209 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: the spread of measles. 210 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: Sean immediately after the show, we'd love everyone to keep 211 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: listening for your chat with Jocelyn Martin, who's the managing 212 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: director of the Housing Industry Association. 213 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: Very timely because it comes on the back of the 214 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: discussion between Jim Chalmers and the Treasury advice about whether 215 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: or not Australia can reach that one point two million 216 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 2: homes over five years starting from this year this calendar year. 217 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: Join basically says no, we can't, and we go through 218 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: some of the reasons we can't, but what could make 219 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: it difference and she's very frank upfront about what the 220 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: government needs to do and what the industry needs to do. 221 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: So it's certainly well worth. 222 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: A listen, frank and direct. 223 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: We need that we do, Adam, We do always. Thank you, Sean, 224 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: Thanks Adam. 225 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, the fifteenth of July twenty twenty five. Make 226 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: sure you're following this podcast. Join us online on LinkedIn, Instagram, Pecks, 227 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: TikTok and Facebook, and please have a great day.