WEBVTT - #1983 'Um' - The Conversational Spakfilla - Pete Shepherd 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.320 I'll get a team. Welcome to another installing the new project. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:06.160 Craig Anthony Harper here, just fucking bright as a button, 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.000 like a little meerkat. Stick of my my head out 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.720 of the typ hole, just to see who's in the 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.760 room with me. It's Peter Jonathan Sheppard. It's Tiffany and 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:17.880 Cook good a little buggers. How are you. Let's start 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:20.560 with the lady in the room. That's you, tif Well. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.320 I'm looking at you in headphones, so I am real good. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:24.720 I'm real good, hearts. 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:28.120 It's only taken you six years of badgering me like 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.000 a fucking kid in a lolly shop, and here I 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:32.800 am with headphones on like a grown up. And I 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:37.480 got to say, you should try it. It's really good. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.160 You should know you should try it. It's much better. 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:46.760 So I'm glad I thought of it. Go Harp. So 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:49.000 I couldn't be proud of me, you know the way 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.360 that I'm just an early adopter. You know, I just 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:57.000 picked things like this up an old I'm not that 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.560 old crusty bloke in the Muppets up in the stand 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.680 next to the other krusty bloke. I'm not him at all. 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:09.600 Run r Pat Shepherd. Welcome back to the show, son. 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:10.880 Thanks for having me, mate. 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.080 It's good to be in the company of a technology 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.240 savant and of course. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:19.440 As well, I am. 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.280 I was going to use a word off the back 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.960 of technologically, I'm just going to go technologically challenged. 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:26.640 That's the word. 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:28.520 Yeah, Yeah, somewhat inept. 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:30.200 I have Tiff. 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:34.160 I have Tiff, so she bullies me, but with good intentions, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.000 and I think that's the main thing underneath the bullying 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:38.640 is love, you know. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.800 And it took five years for the headphone, so that's. 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:45.479 Good, I know, And I'm on board. I'm on board. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.600 What's the next thing you want? What's thanks? What's the 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:50.080 next thing you want to boss me on? 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:51.560 Let me go grab the list? 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.320 Okay, hey Pete, what are you been up to? 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:56.680 What are you been up to up. 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.080 There in the bloody Sunshine State? 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:00.880 Live in the dream mate, Just you know, chipping away. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:02.840 I feel like I'm on a plane every second week 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.720 at the moment, trying to help trying to help leaders 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.280 and teams be more effective as we try to. But 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:12.240 outside that, I'm training for I'm doing the Nooser Triathlon 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:13.720 in November, which is a bit of fun. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:14.840 Yeah, and then you. 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.040 Know, I've got a two year old, so I feel 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.120 like I'm constantly in a state of crawling around the floor, 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:23.840 playing matchbox cars and hot wheels and running around parks 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:24.600 chasing kids. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.320 Well, it says one thing your two meter body is 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.600 built for. It's crawling around on the floor. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.519 You're telling me, You're telling. 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:34.800 Nothing will make you feel older than trying to peel 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.000 yourself off the floor after playing on the ground for 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:38.399 two hours with a kid. 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.160 Exactly exactly, it takes me a little longer to get up. 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.440 And how is the little bugger? How is he going? 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.799 He's good, he's full of beans. He's tipped over to now, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.880 probably since we last spoke, which, yes, which means he's 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.840 It feels like he learns. I mean, it's such a 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:59.400 fascinating thing seeing a human learn to speak and use 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:05.720 words and associate shapes and colors with words and numbers, 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.440 and the whole thing is it's wild. It's really cool. 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.520 He's great, he's happy, he's healthy, he's keeping us on 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:10.960 our toes. 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.560 So all this and there'll never be a time in 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:18.200 his life where he's learning quicker than now. Yeah, I mean, 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:19.800 it's going to keep going for a while, But that 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:24.440 the rate of learning and understanding and comprehension and cognitive 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:28.280 and emotional and physical development is called fucking through the roof, 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.720 that's why. And then we get to like twenty and 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.240 then we flat line n till we die. 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:33.799 Totally still to. 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:35.840 Think about, if I think about only a year ago 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.120 when he was one, you know, the difference between now 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.080 and then is like different different species. 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:42.160 If I think about myself a. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.080 Year ago, I'm like, huh, pretty much the same person, 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.600 the same grumpy, middle age thirty seven year old, you. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:52.600 Know, But that is that is you know I did. 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.280 I was joking when I said we hit twenty m 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.119 flat line util we die. But some people we kind 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.080 of do. God bless them, they kind of do. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:03:59.440 They. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.720 You know, the bloke that you knew at twenty, he's 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.360 the same bloke, just more wrinkles and shit and still 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:09.160 grumpy and still hates the world at fifty, still blame 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.839 in everyone. Yeah, that's one of the challenges I think 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:17.560 is to you know, not necessarily in a strategic or 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.839 an academic or a formal way, but to be a 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:26.840 lifelong learner, to be able to keep consciously progressing your 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.880 mind and you're thinking and your brain and your cognitive 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:33.080 function and having aware of having an awareness of that 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.960 as you age, and consciously doing something to keep your 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:37.920 brain in shape. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.640 Yeah, it's like it takes more effort each year. It 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:46.400 feels like more intention, more physical and emotional labor to 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:46.760 do that. 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.680 I reckon the key is just walk through a new door. Though. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.240 It's like, if I spend the next year trying to 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.000 learn more about the brain and the mind, I'm like, yeah, 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:01.599 not that I'm elite, but like I've spent the last 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.400 six years formerly doing that, right, So next year, when 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:08.359 I finished what I'm currently doing, I would like to 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.960 just go And it doesn't have to be anything strategic. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.400 It could be do a fucking Barista course, but just 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.080 something that I know nothing about I've got no skill in, 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.839 you know, just to do something totally different where I'm 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.280 in inverted comma is the dumbest one in the room, 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:30.159 because then then my my, uh, you know, level of 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.520 learning is high, you know, and there's that that that 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:37.800 gradient is kind of quite steep, versus me doing more 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.960 of essentially the same for another year. 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:41.680 Not a whole you know. 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.320 Of course I'm going to keep learning, but yeah, to 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:49.159 consciously do something different. I've toyed with doing a second language, 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.680 which I can only speak obviously English, but it's to 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.360 try and get really fluent in something that I'm interested in, 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:58.960 just for the sake of doing it for my brain, 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:00.600 but also i'd be cool to be able to speak 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:07.840 whatever Italian or Ye. So yeah, what about It's. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:10.320 Funny you say that because I in the last twelve 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:14.520 months I've had a few requests from clients about self 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:19.760 paced workshops and courses and it's one particularly one of 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.680 the biggest companies in Australia, which I've been running around 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.240 doing a bunch of work for, and they said, look, 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.880 we've got like thousands of leaders that we can't afford 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:28.960 to always show up to all these sessions that we're running, 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:30.920 and we'd love to give them something. Could you do 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:35.120 like a self paced, kind of modulized series of workshops? 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:40.640 I thought, yeah, I could, And so rather than sit 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.920 here and record it on my iPhone, I thought it 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.360 would be cool to call our mutual friend Josh Jansen, 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.760 who runs a video production company, and say, if you 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.200 were tasked with helping me build a little studio at 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.200 home so that I could sit in front of a 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:59.400 camera and record higher quality videos with good sound that 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:01.359 look better than like they were shot on my iPhone? 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:02.039 What would that look like? 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.080 And he sent me off down this rabbit hole of 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.719 this other I don't know what you call him, educator course, 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.480 content creator. And I did this online course essentially on 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.200 how to build a home studio. And when I say 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.520 I was feeling totally out of my depth where they're 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.840 talking about apertures and cameras and lenses, I mean I 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:25.400 was so out of my depth. And I would message 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.040 and call Josh every now and then and be like, 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:31.720 I just spent fucking half a day trying to get 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:32.520 the lighting right. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:33.760 What a waste of time. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.480 And he was reminding me just like you kind of 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:38.640 did a no, that's this is the fun part. This 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.440 is the point you're learning about something that you know 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.120 nothing about. As a result, you will have knowledge at 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:45.840 the end of it that you will be able to 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.120 have forever. And like you're just doing something you haven't 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.800 done for a while, which is learn something from scratch. 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.559 And the end product is like I have a pretty 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:54.080 good grass one. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:55.400 How to set up my little office here as a 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:57.400 home studio, get the light right, get the camera going, 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.600 get the sound in and it looks pretty cool, and 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:03.040 so it it's the most recent example I have I've had, 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.000 apart from learning how to be your father, of like 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.720 trying to learn something from scratch as a total newbie. 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.720 It was totally really hard as well, I. 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.160 Think apart from the obvious outcomes of whatever it is, 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:19.240 better skills, better knowledge, better capacity to produce you know, 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:24.000 whatever you want to produce. But yeah, just the just 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.320 what happens to your brain and your mind and in 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.240 the middle of all of that is awesome, you know. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.959 I remember when I started, So I finished my last 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.040 degree in two thousand and three, two thousand and two, 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.839 started my next one in twenty nineteen, and I remember 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:45.160 having conversations with professort Yousell, who was the head of 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.760 Brain Park, which is a neuroscience neuropsycho lab. It's been 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.840 on the show once and one of the smartest people 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:56.400 I've ever met. And even with my supervisor now Chris 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.720 and I've got too lucy, But back then, when I 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:04.320 was talking going tou Sell, I'm he would say something, 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.640 you know, like November when I started, and we're having 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.079 these conversations about what my research would look like and 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.199 how to do this and how to do that right. 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:15.000 It's very very well, it's not very much. It's completely 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:21.240 self directed learning, right. So you've got to design your 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.360 own studies, run your own studies, get the venue, get 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.360 the people, get ethical approval. There are no semesters, no 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.920 one standing over your shoulder to help. There's no one 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.000 to go talk to. You need to make appointments with 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.560 your supervisors and you can't just walk into someone's room 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.560 and go, hey, I wanted to know. You can't do 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.680 that right. It's all well for me anyway, and they're 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.959 all very busy and they'll have multiple students that they 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:49.160 take care of in that PhD supervisory role. And I 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:53.120 remember him talking to me and I'd go wait, wait, wait, 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.040 and he's like what. I go, I don't know what 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:59.480 that means. He's like what he'd be saying something. I'd go, yeah, 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.960 that's cool. I don't know what it means though, and 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:06.400 I go, I'm fifty five, I'm dumb, and you're one 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.959 of the smartest motherfuckers in Australia. So I did say, motherfucker, 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:11.320 I'm mad. It might have. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:13.120 You know. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:17.520 Yeah, And just like even learning the language, even learning 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.400 like what is a thesis. I don't know what a 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:20.600 thesis is? What is that? 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:21.640 Right? 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:21.920 You know? 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:23.199 What is a dissertation? 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.000 What is you know? How do I design a study? 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.680 What's ethical approval mean? Like? What is that? You know? 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.480 What is Yeah? 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.839 Like when you're starting from almost behind the starting line, 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:39.679 like a lot of obviously the majority of half my 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:43.960 age of the students, which good, well less than half 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.320 my age, right, some of them, and then they come 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.440 in fresh off the back of you know, study, like 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.720 they finished four months ago. Now they're doing their PhD. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.280 I finished when just after Jesus passed away, right, So 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:01.520 it's like so long between I didn't know anything. I 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.920 was so dumb. But anyway, you get you get good, 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.920 you get better, you know, I still want to rate 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.920 myself highly. But I have a language now that I 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:11.320 didn't have. 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:17.000 Yeah, Yeah, And it's it's the discomfort that you have 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.880 to go through to get to that sort of learning though, 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.320 that I think we we call myself out. We avoid 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.240 probably almost unconsciously, because we like comfort. I mean, you 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.839 know this better than anyone having studied it. Yeah, we 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.199 like to do things that are comfortable. And putting myself 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.480 intentionally in a position where I know nothing about a topic. 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.439 Is a is a pretty good way to make myself feeluncomfortable, 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.640 but it's trying to remember the benefit of doing that. 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.800 I've probably had ten times over the last seven years 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.000 or eight years of the show where I've been talking 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.160 to somebody and I literally have this feeling in the 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.680 middle of this idea, I'm too fucking stupid to talk 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:59.199 to this person. I like, I don't even know of 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:01.240 the middle of that's it. 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:02.120 That's it. 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:07.560 Like they're talking about something and I'm I understand twenty 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:11.200 percent of what they're saying, Like I don't fully understand 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.480 what they're saying. So I'm going, oh God. And I 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.840 interviewed this old dude who's just a sweet art called 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.560 Professor Ahmi Goswami, who is an academic but also like 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:27.640 a spiritual guru and just this giant brain and this 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:32.600 beautiful nature and this giant heart right just the I've 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.800 never met him, I've only met him online. And I 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:39.280 spoke to him for an hour and he was just 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.720 going down rabbit holes and explaining things, and you know, 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:46.960 you want to ask a relevant, informed question off the 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.319 back of that for the listeners, you know, because you're 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.920 kind of the conduit between you know, some really really 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:57.000 smart people and you kind of almost just trying to 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.080 keep the lines of information relevant and understand and you know, 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.520 so you go, so do you mean by that? ABC? Right? 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:07.680 I didn't even know, and I just stopped and he finished, 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.360 and I said, Professor, can I admit something? And he goes, 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.720 of course, of course, and I go, I think I'm 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.120 too stupid to interview you, and he laughed. 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:17.240 He laughed. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.920 I said, I literally don't know what to ask you. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:24.400 I said, oh, you know, it's like I've just been 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.640 thrown into a game of ice hockey with in the NHL, 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:30.880 and I'm wearing all the shit, but I can't play, 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.000 you know. I'm like, oh my god. And he's anyway, 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.520 he was amazing and it made me feel better on 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.040 my own show about my inadequacy. 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.520 I'm like, professor, can you please give me a question 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:45.840 to ask you? Because I don't know what. 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:46.200 You just said? 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:46.439 Yeah? 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.760 Yeah, could you send me a few questions so I 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.000 sound smart and I can regain some of my lost 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:58.000 self worth. Yeah, I wanted to ask you about And 0:13:58.000 --> 0:13:59.480 by the way, did you not t just getting on 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.320 stage a bit these days? And I don't mean dancing 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:02.840 and singing. 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.320 I feel like I heard rumors last time we were 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:06.920 chatting with that, well a little bit on it. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:11.679 She's climbing the ladder and she's got a gig coming up. 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:12.560 Nice. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:17.239 Tell tell Pete at l what you're up to in October. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.320 TIV very excited, Pete. 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.240 I've been doing a course in speaking, which has been 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.560 well out of my comfort zone, learning lots of new stuff, 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.960 well out of my comfort zone. And seven of there's 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.520 an event at the end of October, so there'll be 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.280 eight of us speaking and we had to put in 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.920 a pitch to an external panel, so we had to 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.240 go through the whole process and I got I got 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.320 a spot, So I'm really excited. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.240 Congrats. Let's just don't eat me clapping, but I'm clapping. 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:50.600 And so the whole thing's filmed, right, and yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:54.720 I've got a thousand questions. 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:56.480 Well, I want to know from Tiff, like. 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:03.280 You know, as someone who's I've probably drowned in corporate 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:10.520 the last eighteen years, what's what's like? What's it like 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:12.760 from a beginner's mind perspective? What are your learnings or 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.280 quirk that you notice amongst corporate audiences as you're learning 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.400 this and getting better at this, undoubtedly very good at 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:19.880 the skill. 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.480 A lot of the learning has been around how to 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.800 structure information and how to structure the talk. And that's 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:30.360 not my jam. I like to be very harpified, a 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.600 very freestyle and very just engaged with the audience. And 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.440 I think you from previous talks you might be very similar. 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:39.880 So there's been but there has been a lot of 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:45.080 great insights into how to make things land and how 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.640 to not overwhelm audiences with too much. I think I'm 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.320 probably as guilty as I can be of that, wanting 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.400 to kind of give all of all of the gold, 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:59.720 all of the things. Yeah, and I think it's made 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.400 me So, it's made me here and see speakers differently. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:09.440 So and notice what about speakers engages me or what 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:11.760 lands and what I'm left with? Which is the most 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.520 important part, isn't it? Because we can all like people, 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:20.280 but it's what we are impacted by that stays with 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.040 us and makes us change things that actually really matters. 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.520 H love that. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:31.400 Yeah, what's the what's the one thing, if anything, that 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.160 you've kind of changed your mind about or you've done 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.200 a little bit of a one eighty on in terms 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.280 of how you do this thing, like from two or 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.240 three years ago when you were opening the door and 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.920 getting some momentum to now where you've got more momentum, 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.480 what have you what have you learned or what have 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.440 you unlearned and changed? 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.000 I reckon I'm still in the middle of that because 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.080 one of the reasons I'm really excited to have been 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:02.800 gotten an opportunity to have this particular event is because 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:07.840 I don't believe that I would see through all of 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.680 the learnings left to my own devices. So this is 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.639 the opportunity to be coached and I like to say forced, 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:19.879 but that sounds negative, but yeah, forced to deliver exactly 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:24.199 everything that we're being taught in terms of how scripted 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:28.560 and how curated the content is, which is going to 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.680 give me a lot more of a lot more control 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:35.800 over timing, which will be important in doing more corporate stuff, 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:37.879 Like I can't just wing it and go, oh, well, 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:39.840 I'll talk about this, this and this and then we'll 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:41.520 I'll just do Q and A if I need to 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.960 fill it in, Like I've always landed well with timing, 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:48.320 but I think that is not always a great thing 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.720 to have f lining by the ceedy of pants m. 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:57.240 En years. For you, what's maybe two big things that 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.639 you have learned that may or may not be relevant 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.920 to but they are for you that you either it 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.359 was a light bulb for you and it made things 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.520 better for you, or you did like I said with 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.280 Tiffer one ad on changed in mind about you know 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:15.119 two things that were significant over that eight a year journey. 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:17.000 I think. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.080 The two that comes to mind immediately I both learned 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:27.680 from the same person, which was Seth Goden, who I've 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:29.200 mentioned in our previous chats. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:30.280 I've been lucky enough to spend a. 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:33.400 Bunch of time with working on projects for and also 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.520 just becoming a friend of a mentor. But the two 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:39.359 things that I think about the most. The first is 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:41.680 he wrote a book called Purple Cow. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:43.760 I knew you were going to say that, I love that. 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.800 You no better. I love that. It's like he and 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:47.800 I went Purple Cow. 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:49.320 But great book. 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:50.200 No great book. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.679 It's a great book. And I mean the premise is 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:54.840 you don't need to read the book to get the premise. 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:55.600 The premise is. 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.400 You walk past the field of cows, and one hundred 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.000 percent of the time the cows are a combination of 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:04.840 the same color. They're black or they're brown, or they're white, 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:06.520 or they're white, or they're black or they're brown. All 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.199 the cows essentially look the same. And can you imagine 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:10.879 what would happen if you walk past the field of 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:12.200 cows and all of a sudden there was this bright 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:14.240 purple cow in the middle of it. You would stop, 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:15.960 you would take a photo, you would call your friend, 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:17.560 you would pass it on, you would tell a story 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:18.119 later that day. 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:19.760 I can't believe I saw this purple cow. You won't 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:21.159 believe it. Let me show you. Let me show you. 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:27.320 And the point of his metaphor is, if you're going 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.040 to go to the effort of creating something, create something 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.560 worth remarking at, create something that has a little bit 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.920 of purple in it. And so I think a lot 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.560 about if I'm doing a talk or a workshop or 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.960 getting on a stage, what is my purple cow? 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:42.880 I think about that a lot. 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.359 The second one I also learned from him, which is 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:51.160 a I think perhaps the number one thing that makes me. 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:54.440 Perhaps sound smarter. 0:19:54.240 --> 0:20:00.159 Than I am, and that is to not say and 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:03.520 so Seth, I think you wrote a blog post about it. 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:05.440 But I had a conversation with him about it one day, 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:10.000 where he was saying, what happens when I'm speaking is 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.639 where our brain is trying to think of what to 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.399 say next, but it's also speaking what we're saying now. 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.280