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Speaker 1: I'll get a team. Welcome to another installing the new project.

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Speaker 1: Craig Anthony Harper here, just fucking bright as a button,

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Speaker 1: like a little meerkat. Stick of my my head out

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Speaker 1: of the typ hole, just to see who's in the

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Speaker 1: room with me. It's Peter Jonathan Sheppard. It's Tiffany and

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Speaker 1: Cook good a little buggers. How are you. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with the lady in the room. That's you, tif Well.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at you in headphones, so I am real good.

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Speaker 2: I'm real good, hearts.

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Speaker 1: It's only taken you six years of badgering me like

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Speaker 1: a fucking kid in a lolly shop, and here I

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Speaker 1: am with headphones on like a grown up. And I

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Speaker 1: got to say, you should try it. It's really good.

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Speaker 1: You should know you should try it. It's much better.

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad I thought of it. Go Harp. So

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Speaker 1: I couldn't be proud of me, you know the way

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Speaker 1: that I'm just an early adopter. You know, I just

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Speaker 1: picked things like this up an old I'm not that

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Speaker 1: old crusty bloke in the Muppets up in the stand

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Speaker 1: next to the other krusty bloke. I'm not him at all.

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Speaker 1: Run r Pat Shepherd. Welcome back to the show, son.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, mate.

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Speaker 3: It's good to be in the company of a technology

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Speaker 3: savant and of course.

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Speaker 4: As well, I am.

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Speaker 1: I was going to use a word off the back

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Speaker 1: of technologically, I'm just going to go technologically challenged.

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Speaker 4: That's the word.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, somewhat inept.

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Speaker 4: I have Tiff.

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Speaker 1: I have Tiff, so she bullies me, but with good intentions,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's the main thing underneath the bullying

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Speaker 1: is love, you know.

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Speaker 2: And it took five years for the headphone, so that's.

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Speaker 1: Good, I know, And I'm on board. I'm on board.

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Speaker 1: What's the next thing you want? What's thanks? What's the

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Speaker 1: next thing you want to boss me on?

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Speaker 2: Let me go grab the list?

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Speaker 1: Okay, hey Pete, what are you been up to?

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Speaker 4: What are you been up to up.

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Speaker 1: There in the bloody Sunshine State?

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Speaker 3: Live in the dream mate, Just you know, chipping away.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm on a plane every second week

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Speaker 3: at the moment, trying to help trying to help leaders

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Speaker 3: and teams be more effective as we try to. But

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Speaker 3: outside that, I'm training for I'm doing the Nooser Triathlon

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Speaker 3: in November, which is a bit of fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I've got a two year old, so I feel

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Speaker 3: like I'm constantly in a state of crawling around the floor,

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Speaker 3: playing matchbox cars and hot wheels and running around parks

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Speaker 1: Well, it says one thing your two meter body is

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Speaker 4: You're telling me, You're telling.

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Speaker 3: Nothing will make you feel older than trying to peel

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Speaker 3: two hours with a kid.

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, it takes me a little longer to get up.

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Speaker 1: And how is the little bugger? How is he going?

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Speaker 3: He's good, he's full of beans. He's tipped over to now,

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Speaker 3: probably since we last spoke, which, yes, which means he's

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Speaker 3: It feels like he learns. I mean, it's such a

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Speaker 3: fascinating thing seeing a human learn to speak and use

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Speaker 3: and the whole thing is it's wild. It's really cool.

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Speaker 3: He's great, he's happy, he's healthy, he's keeping us on

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Speaker 1: So all this and there'll never be a time in

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Speaker 1: it's going to keep going for a while, But that

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Speaker 1: the rate of learning and understanding and comprehension and cognitive

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Speaker 1: and emotional and physical development is called fucking through the roof,

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Speaker 4: Totally still to.

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Speaker 3: Think about, if I think about only a year ago

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Speaker 4: If I think about myself a.

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Speaker 3: the same grumpy, middle age thirty seven year old, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, But that is that is you know I did.

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Speaker 1: I was joking when I said we hit twenty m

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Speaker 1: flat line util we die. But some people we kind

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Speaker 1: You know, the bloke that you knew at twenty, he's

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Speaker 1: in everyone. Yeah, that's one of the challenges I think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it takes more effort each year. It

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Speaker 3: feels like more intention, more physical and emotional labor to

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Speaker 1: I reckon the key is just walk through a new door. Though.

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Speaker 1: It's like, if I spend the next year trying to

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Speaker 1: I finished what I'm currently doing, I would like to

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Speaker 1: just go And it doesn't have to be anything strategic.

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Speaker 1: It could be do a fucking Barista course, but just

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Speaker 1: you know, just to do something totally different where I'm

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Speaker 1: because then then my my, uh, you know, level of

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Speaker 4: Not a whole you know.

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Speaker 1: Of course I'm going to keep learning, but yeah, to

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Speaker 1: consciously do something different. I've toyed with doing a second language,

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Speaker 3: would be cool to call our mutual friend Josh Jansen,

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Speaker 4: What would that look like?

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Speaker 3: And he sent me off down this rabbit hole of

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Speaker 3: And he was reminding me just like you kind of

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Speaker 4: And the end product is like I have a pretty

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Speaker 3: How to set up my little office here as a

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Speaker 1: self directed learning, right. So you've got to design your

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And just like even learning the language, even learning

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Speaker 4: What is a dissertation?

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Speaker 1: What is you know? How do I design a study?

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Speaker 1: What's ethical approval mean? Like? What is that? You know?

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Speaker 4: What is Yeah?

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Speaker 1: really mad and really mad? That's true verbal?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes for me.

441
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 3: When I and it's funny now that I have spent

442
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 3: so much time energy trying to get that out of myself.

443
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 4: Yes, I cannot help. But notice when there's.

444
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Speaker 3: An hother on stage and it is great, you'll get

445
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Speaker 3: the most senior leaders of some of the biggest, most

446
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Speaker 3: important organizations or peak bodies on stage doing a Q

447
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 3: and A with whoever, and they are just arming everywhere.

448
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 3: And I just have this theory that if you don't,

449
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 3: you can just sound smarter than you actually are.

450
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 4: At least that's been my experience.

451
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: It could be the title of the show, arming everywhere.

452
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 4: I'm going to go all over the place.

453
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: It's either going to be purple cows or umming everywhere.

454
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Speaker 4: There are the two that come to mind for me,

455
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Speaker 4: What about you? What are your two harps.

456
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: For a so for a period of time, okay, two

457
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: things come to mind.

458
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 4: One is.

459
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Speaker 1: I used to really stay in my comfort zone with

460
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Speaker 1: what I knew. I've spoken to Tiff about this because

461
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: I think TIF and I our development and how like

462
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: there was real similarity between you know, where I was

463
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: early days and where she was a year or so ago,

464
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: and even recently I've said to her, which is where

465
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: I was, that like, you're really good in this space.

466
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: You're really good, You're confident, but you need to get

467
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: into that space a bit because we can't only talk

468
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: about you know, physiology and training and sets and reps

469
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: and fucking micros and macros for the next thirty years,

470
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Speaker 1: like we really need to, you know. And so for me,

471
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Speaker 1: I had a real propensity to stay in my safe

472
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Speaker 1: space and I would talk about human performance and you know,

473
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Speaker 1: self management and human optimization, but I wouldn't really open

474
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: the cognitive, emotional, human behavior, who am I?

475
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 4: Who are you?

476
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: Connection rapport, like all these other kind of sociological and

477
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: psychological and emotional kind of factors that are really important

478
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: components of living and thinking and doing better. Because I

479
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: felt fraudulent, you know, and maybe that's even part of

480
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: what I did my PhD. Right. And one of my

481
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: friends actually said to me when I was about thirty,

482
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Speaker 1: they heard me at a gig. It was a public

483
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: gig and it went quite well, but they said, you're

484
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: really good, and I loved it, but they had heard

485
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,479
Speaker 1: me ten times. You need to learn more stuff, like

486
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: you stay in this little echo chamber of knowledge. And

487
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: I stayed where I was safe, and yeah I could.

488
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Speaker 1: It's like I was a triathlete. I was awesome at

489
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: fucking running, but I couldn't ride or swim, yeah, you know,

490
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: And I did all my training as a runner because

491
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: I was good at that and when I swam, I

492
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: was shit, and when I rode, I was shit. So

493
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: I focused on the thing I was good at. The

494
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: second thing for me was like a learn and then

495
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Speaker 1: unlearned was I did a gig years ago where somebody

496
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Speaker 1: from I can't remember which speaking agency, maybe ICMI or

497
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: Saxton's like as you know who they are, but most

498
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: of our listeners might not. There like two of the

499
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: biggest speaking agencies in Australia. And it was back when

500
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people got a lot of work through

501
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: speaking agencies. Now a lot of it's online and through

502
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: word of mouth. And you know, it's still they have

503
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: a place, but I don't think it's the same as

504
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 1: it was. And I'm still represented by eight or ten

505
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: different companies, right And anyway, this lady was coming to

506
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: assess me and I was doing I was actually doing

507
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: the opening keynote for what's it called TIF the Fitness

508
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: Industry Firelex. I was doing the opening for FILEX, which

509
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: is a big was a big deal back then, and

510
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: heaps of people and I knew this lady was coming,

511
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: so I thought I need to be good. So I

512
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: made all of I didn't somebody else did made all

513
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: of these powerpoints, so I'd be razzle dazzle, I would

514
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: look professional. I was, you know, so look at me.

515
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: I'm slick, I'm organized, I've got a process, I'm a

516
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: speaking professional, and of course you know what I'm going

517
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: to tell you, right. So I got up there and

518
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: I just started banging on, and twenty minutes in I

519
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: forgot that I even had slides, So I went, oh,

520
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: or maybe not twenty, maybe ten. I'd been talking for

521
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: ten and then I turned around and I'm like, oh,

522
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: cover that, op, cover that. So everyone's now looking at

523
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: my back as I'm looking at the screen and I'm

524
00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: sliding like a fucking wombat, and the lady, the ladies

525
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: in the front row over near the door, like twenty

526
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 1: feet away from me with a fucking clipboard writing notes.

527
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: Am I okay? Anyway? And then I did the best

528
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: thing I could have done, and I went, hey, everyone,

529
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: can I be honest? And they're like yeah, I go, okay.

530
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: See that lady over there, she's she's from a speaking

531
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: agency and she's assessing me right now to see whether

532
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: or not I could be part of the team on that,

533
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: and I said so in order to impress her, I

534
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: told the story. I sat literally on the edge of

535
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: the stage, swing on my feet and talking. It was

536
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: a high stage, and I told the story and I said, so.

537
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: I didn't say fuck, but essentially I said, so, are

538
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: you okay if I fuck off the slide show? And

539
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: they go, please, please fuck the slide show off, and

540
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: I went, yeah, I'm sorry. So I'm probably not going

541
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: to get a gig with that organization, but fuck it,

542
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: let's go. And then so for the next forty or

543
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: fifty minutes it was just free range me doing my

544
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: thing right, and at the end I got the gig anyway.

545
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: But the lady came up and went, oh, you definitely

546
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: shouldn't use that every again. She goes, not everyone needs

547
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: to do that. She goes, you definitely don't, and by

548
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: the way, you're terrible at it, so don't. I'm like

549
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: no to self. Yeah, So I thought I used to

550
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: think I needed to be more like other speakers. I

551
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: need to be more like them, because whenever I would

552
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: go to a conference, everyone but me had this great

553
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: slideshow and videos and graphs and charts and data, and

554
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't have that. I'm just a storyteller,

555
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: and I just you know, I share thoughts and ideas

556
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: and messages mainly through metaphor and story.

557
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 4: That's your purple.

558
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's my purple. I guess, yeah, and I

559
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: thank you that is that is true. So yeah, and

560
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: I mean, but then over the years, you know, I've

561
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: kind of I've woven more science and more information and

562
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: data and research in, but it's still usually it's backed

563
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: up with a story or a metaphor or a real

564
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: life kind of explanation, and I keep the jargon out

565
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: of it. So so I mean, but I think also,

566
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, you you go in with an idea of

567
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: how things are going to go. And I told this

568
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: the other day on the show. So I apologize and

569
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: I mentioned to you before. But I did a gig

570
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: up in the bush the other day and they were

571
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: just amazing. And now imagine how much you could not

572
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: do this in the city. So all super laid back,

573
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: all super laid back. They've never had a professional development day.

574
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: It was a real estate company, Milduror, so this was

575
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: a new thing and they've got me all day. Now

576
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: that's a lot. You know, It's like when people don't

577
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: even when somebody's got a sit and be present and

578
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: pay attention to one hour of someone unless that someone's

579
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: pretty good. It's like ten minutes in everyone's checking their

580
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: watch or their phone or their you know. So they

581
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: were very gracious and also very grateful, which was nice.

582
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: But we I could tell straight up, it was very informal.

583
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: The I really relaxed and before we got gone, it's like,

584
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to get some going to get some coffees, Craig,

585
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: do you want to do you want to coffee? Craig?

586
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: Do you you know, like really laid back, and I said,

587
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: before we start swearing or not, and this is at

588
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: the start, and about six of them go fuck yeah

589
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: of course, and then the rest laughed and kind of

590
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: pumped the air. I'm like, okay, this is this is

591
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: my natural habitat. And I said to them, you know

592
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: what this is? Like they go what? I go nine

593
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: eighty five?

594
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 4: I go, this is this is the best.

595
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: Like they're like, what's political correctness? What's HR? You know,

596
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: and like just nobody chos nobody chose to. I mean,

597
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: we need HR. I get it. I get we need

598
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: political correctness. I get it, But sometimes it's that far

599
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: over the line. I'm like, fuck, it does my head

600
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,239
Speaker 1: in and it was just a fun day and I

601
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. But the thing is the way that

602
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: I spoke with them that day, and the way that

603
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: we interacted and the stories that were told, and the

604
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: level that we went to by the way we would

605
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: have had I reckon. Three to five people on the

606
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: day come up to me and cry and just because

607
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: we pushed a button, you know. And then the boss

608
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: who I'm going to throw him under the bus because

609
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: he's a good man. His name's Joe. There's two bosses.

610
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: He's one of the bosses. He comes up to the

611
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: front and we just finished for the lunch break and

612
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: he's standing next to me and he's talking about what

613
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: we've been going through, and what we've been going through.

614
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: Had pushed some buttons for him and soding up the front.

615
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: He just started to he couldn't speak for a moment,

616
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: and he was getting emotional and then he shed a

617
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: little tear up there, and I just walked over and

618
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: gave him a hug. I just like, I don't care

619
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: if he doesn't want it. He's fucking getting one, right,

620
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: So I just gave him a big hug and I

621
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: just whispered in his ear mate, you're great, you're doing great.

622
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: Gave him a hug. He was good, everyone was respectful,

623
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: and you know, so it's nice to have this. I

624
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: don't know this pendulum between you know, here's some funniness,

625
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: here's a bit of whatever, here's a couple of stories.

626
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: But by the way, we can talk about how you're feeling.

627
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: We can talk about depression and anxiety and mental health.

628
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: We can talk about why you're sad right now. And

629
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make fun of that, and I'm

630
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: not going to tell a dick joke. I'm just going

631
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: to be here listening to you and giving you a

632
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: hug if you need that, you know so, I think

633
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: that for me, I need that flexibility to be able

634
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: to re read the room and respond accordingly. And because

635
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm terrible with a script, terrible, I'm not even good

636
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: with just a plan that alone a script. But you know,

637
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: we get through it all by the end of the day.

638
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: What about yourself, Where do you sit in these scripted

639
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: versus freestyle like which I mean it's a scale, right, yeah,

640
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: I think one's pretty much a soliloquy. The other ones,

641
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 1: you know, you're running around with your undies on your

642
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: head punching the air.

643
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 4: I'm probably closer closer to the undies. I think.

644
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: That's good though, right, maybe not all that way, But

645
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: I go in. So the questions I want to get

646
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: super clear and before I go in is who's it for?

647
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: Who's in the room, who's the audience are they? Are

648
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: they the country? Are they the country? Folks from a

649
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: small town and a real estate agency where they've never

650
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: done any professional development. Well, if I know that, that's

651
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: probably going to change how I approach it. So I

652
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,239
Speaker 3: want to know who's in the room or are they

653
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: you know the bankers A's ed in Melbourne on Collin

654
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Speaker 3: Street and they just want it. You know, there are

655
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Speaker 3: a different audience, So I want to know who's in

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Speaker 3: the room. I want to know what a success look

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Speaker 3: like for them in this session. If success is we

658
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Speaker 3: want three new ideas on how we could you know,

659
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Speaker 3: have our leaders thinking about AI or we want to

660
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Speaker 3: have four questions that we can ask to coach each

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Speaker 3: other next time we're in a T meeting, whatever it is.

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Speaker 4: So tell me what success is, tell me.

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Speaker 3: Who's in the room, and then I'll I'll concoct on

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Speaker 3: a on a whiteboard or I'm holding up like a

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Speaker 3: yellow legal pad, literally a scrap at a paper, a rough

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Speaker 3: idea of how I think we can get there.

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Speaker 4: You got the same one.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to show you it at won't show up, yep.

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Speaker 3: Go on, and I'll have an idea of how I

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Speaker 3: want to deliver success based on who's in the room.

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Speaker 3: And then I give myself permission a bit like you,

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Speaker 3: but nowhere near to the to the to the skill

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Speaker 3: set probably or the undies on my head that you

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Speaker 3: might embrace.

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Speaker 4: I will.

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Speaker 3: I will give myself permission to get there. However, we

677
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Speaker 3: need to get there based on what's happening in the room.

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Speaker 3: So if someone asked a question two minutes in and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, huh, it feels like something we should spend

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Speaker 3: some time, I'll spend some time on that question. I

681
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Speaker 3: will not think I've got a whole script here, and

682
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Speaker 3: I want to get through this script.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's really important to acknowledge that

684
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Speaker 1: I've seen you speak multiple times and I'm not pissing

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Speaker 1: in your pocket. You're amazing. You're an amazing speaker. And

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Speaker 1: if people said to me, we want you to go

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Speaker 1: in there and do what Pete does. I couldn't. I

688
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Speaker 1: couldn't because I'm not you. And it's not trying to

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Speaker 1: compare the quality of what you do or TIF does

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Speaker 1: or I do, but it's like you're great at what

691
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Speaker 1: you do, but you're not me. There are similarities, I think,

692
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Speaker 1: and I'm not you. We're not better or worse. I

693
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Speaker 1: think we're both somewhat competent at what we do with

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Speaker 1: room for improvement. And you know, I think that realizing

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Speaker 1: that there are a myriad of different coaches and teachers

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Speaker 1: and speak and for want of a better term, you know,

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Speaker 1: subject matter experts that will all approach this, you know,

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Speaker 1: what looks to be the same thing a different way,

699
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Speaker 1: and all produced pretty good outcomes, even though they're they're

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Speaker 1: unique in the way that they deliver whatever it is

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Speaker 1: they're delivering.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean that's what to me why

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Speaker 3: I go back to, not to like redversise it one

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Speaker 3: hundred times, back to the idea of purple, because what's

705
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Speaker 3: purple for you is different to what's purple for me,

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Speaker 3: and what's purple for Tiff is different to what's purple

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Speaker 3: for both of us.

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Speaker 4: It's like tips.

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Speaker 1: Holding up a purple stress ball and you missed it.

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Speaker 2: It's a blue apple, and it's it's Jacqueline's version in

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Speaker 2: this course, and that's what we started by buying our

712
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Speaker 2: blue apple before we did anything else.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no way, I wondered, I thought you had I

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Speaker 4: thought you had.

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Speaker 3: A massage ball and you were like working your lower

716
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Speaker 3: back while we were recording.

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Speaker 2: Like I was looking for it when I disappeared under

718
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Speaker 2: the desk, where's that blue apple?

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Speaker 1: So that's that's so she talks about that in the same.

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Speaker 2: Kind of Yeah, it's the very first thing we work out,

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Speaker 2: because it's because there's no new concepts, there's nothing that

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Speaker 2: hasn't been talked about before, So you've got to make

723
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Speaker 2: sure that you've got something that's worth hearing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's great in terms of wisdom, and

725
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Speaker 1: you know, of course knowledge is always developing, but in

726
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Speaker 1: terms of human behavior, there's not a whole lot that

727
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Speaker 1: hasn't been spoken about or the mind or the brain

728
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Speaker 1: or you know, communication or connection or happiness or joy

729
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Speaker 1: or sadness or Yeah, yeah, that is that is true.

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Speaker 1: You're always trying to figure out how can I essentially

731
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Speaker 1: share the same stuff in a way that's more resonant

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Speaker 1: or you know, like I feel an anecdote, Yeah, I

733
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Speaker 1: feel did something just happened? If?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it came back.

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Speaker 1: Though, I feel like I'm like I'm the singer, not

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Speaker 1: the message, you know, the conduit to the wisdom, not

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Speaker 1: the wisdom all that philosophical shit. But I truly feel

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Speaker 1: like that, like I'm the conduit to that which is

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Speaker 1: great and truthful and empowering. You know, I didn't create

740
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Speaker 1: any of this. I didn't invent any of this. All

741
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Speaker 1: I do is try to figure out how I can

742
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Speaker 1: you know, share it and sell it for one of

743
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Speaker 1: a better word, you know, and you know, download it

744
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Speaker 1: in a way that's digestible and maybe inspiring for people.

745
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I totally agree with that. I think

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Speaker 3: about it as creating the conditions for learning. Like my

747
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 3: role is to try and create the conditions for learning

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Speaker 3: to happen, to try and create the conditions for someone

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Speaker 3: to have an aharm moment, or for a light bulb

750
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Speaker 3: to go off, or for them to open a door

751
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Speaker 3: and turn on a light that they couldn't see. Otherwise,

752
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Speaker 3: it's not for me to be the guru, the chosen

753
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Speaker 3: one that has to have all the answers and has

754
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Speaker 3: to be the one speaking the entire time. Actually, what

755
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Speaker 3: I'm here to do is create the conditions.

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Speaker 4: For us to learn.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think very.

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Speaker 4: Often doesn't come from me.

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Speaker 3: It might come from the conversation you had with the

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Speaker 3: person next to you in the breakout.

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Speaker 4: If it was a workshop with a breakout, you know, and.

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh that thing Craig said, who I'd never

763
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Speaker 3: met before on my table really helped me unlock this thing.

764
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Speaker 4: I'm like, cool, it doesn't have to come from me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you ever gone in with a

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Speaker 1: bit of a plan or an idea of what you're

767
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Speaker 1: going to do and realized maybe not that it was

768
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Speaker 1: not landing, or maybe you did realize that, or maybe

769
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Speaker 1: you realized, oh, this is not the group, this is

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Speaker 1: not the vibe that I thought, This is not what

771
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Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be. So we're going

772
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Speaker 1: to do a slight left turn here. Have you done that?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

774
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Speaker 3: I mean, probably too many times to count, right right.

775
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Speaker 3: The what I think about a lot is when I

776
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: was briefed on this commercial, big commercial team of one

777
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Speaker 3: hundred commercial directors of this big organization, and the briefing was,

778
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Speaker 3: you know, they're commercial, so they're very confident, they're very outspoken,

779
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Speaker 3: they will be not backwards in coming forward. So I'm okay,

780
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Speaker 3: so we're going to have a super enthusiastic group. So

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Speaker 3: five minutes se and I'm going to ask the audience

782
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Speaker 3: a question and just see based on what they say,

783
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Speaker 3: which story I might tell next, you know, slight, a

784
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Speaker 3: slight version of choose your own adventure with a pretty

785
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 3: clear idea where I want to go anyway. And so

786
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Speaker 3: I said to them, like, I don't know what's the

787
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Speaker 3: current challenge you have right now and your roles leader

788
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Speaker 3: something like that.

789
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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: And when I say there were crickets, I mean one

791
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Speaker 3: hundred people just sat in total silence, including the event organizer,

792
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Speaker 3: who knew I was going to ask this question.

793
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Speaker 4: And I'm like, at least you could ask me. Come on, Yes, yes,

794
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Speaker 4: I have this out.

795
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Speaker 3: Of body experience, which is I think you're bombing right now.

796
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Speaker 3: I think this is bombing. You have totally misread this

797
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Speaker 3: entire situation. And ironically, the topic was to communicate more

798
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Speaker 3: effectively as a leader, So there was like this out

799
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Speaker 3: of body better experience of I'm trying to help them

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Speaker 3: be better communicators. Clearly I'm not nailing it because they're

801
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Speaker 3: not even responding to what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Did you go by the way, don't do this, by

803
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Speaker 1: the way, avoid this.

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Speaker 3: I made some poor joke about I don't know, maybe

805
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Speaker 3: they just had lunch or something, and I made some

806
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Speaker 3: joke about, you know, everyone's still digesting the tuna sandwiches

807
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Speaker 3: or something. And so about five minutes later, I was like,

808
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Speaker 3: I'm I'm going to try something different, and I said,

809
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: now this time, I want you to turn to the

810
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 3: person next to you and say, this is something I'm

811
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Speaker 3: grappling with in my communication as a leader.

812
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Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, they lit up and they

813
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 4: couldn't stop talking.

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Speaker 3: And I got that experience of they're they're so confident

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Speaker 3: and over enthusiastic because they're commercial directors. And it was

816
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: the change in who you have to speak in front of,

817
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Speaker 3: and that there was a more specific audience rather than

818
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Speaker 3: yell out in front of one hundred of your peers,

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Speaker 3: by the way, ninety nine of whom you might not

820
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Speaker 3: even know.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So it was like.

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Speaker 3: There's one hundred people that are confident, but actually maybe

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Speaker 3: they don't know each other, and so they're not going

824
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Speaker 3: to yell out in front of a hundred people, but

825
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Speaker 3: if you give them the task of talking to the

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Speaker 3: person next to them. And so I think I salvaged

827
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Speaker 3: it a little bit. But there was a moment there

828
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Speaker 3: where I was like, what I've misread the room here.

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Speaker 3: This is is not going well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's oh, I mean yeah, I've had a version

831
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Speaker 1: of that. But it's funny. You often see people who

832
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Speaker 1: are new to the stage and they'll walk up and.

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Speaker 5: Haw's everyone going, people just like a fucking it's like

834
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Speaker 5: a library, great morning hah.

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Speaker 1: And people are like, oh god, I'm like, oh, don't

836
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Speaker 1: don't because no one, especially if you're right, especially if

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Speaker 1: it's say a conference where it's like an industry conference

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Speaker 1: where there are a bunch of strangers who don't all

839
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Speaker 1: work together in the room. So you've got thirty different companies,

840
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Speaker 1: you might have three people from each company, and you've

841
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Speaker 1: got one hundred people or so, and yeah, you just

842
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: ask these questions that don't really demand an answer. So

843
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: that is, yeah, like my go to if I'm stuck,

844
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: which I've shared ten times, free to use it, everyone is,

845
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Speaker 1: I might say, because we're going to talk about the

846
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: mind and thinking in human behavior, and you know, blah,

847
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, and I won't even go I'm Craig.

848
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Speaker 1: This has a bit of my backstory. I don't do anything.

849
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Speaker 1: I go, all right, put up your hand if you're

850
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: an overthinker. And everyone goes, oh fuck, I'm an overthinker,

851
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: and all the handscarp. I go, how's that working? How's

852
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: that going for you? And they all laugh, how's that

853
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: working out?

854
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 4: That's good? That's good.

855
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: I go, that has the mayhem in your scom going?

856
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: What is that about? And then I'll walk up someone.

857
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: I go, all right, be brave and bold. What do

858
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: you overthink and are? Usually? You know it'd be everything. Okay,

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00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: give me one thing on the everything list. I go

860
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: and they'll go, you know, like being embarrassed or failing

861
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Speaker 1: or whatever it is right, and I go, anyone else,

862
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: anyone else in that group in me? I don't want

863
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Speaker 1: to fail. I don't want to look silly. I don't

864
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: want to be embarrassed. I don't put you know, I go,

865
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Speaker 1: all right, well that's a very big club. So you

866
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: know you're not a weirder. In fact, you're more common

867
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Speaker 1: than weird, you know. And then then we've got a

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Speaker 1: conversation then we've got interaction. Then we've got participation. Now

869
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: I'm not on a Now I'm not a bloke on

870
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: a stage talking to one hundred trees in a room. Yeah,

871
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: you know it's that that can I What can I

872
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: ask that almost is impossible to not participate in? Yeah?

873
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: How do I create connection? It's like connection over content.

874
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 3: It's not that I need to get up and deliver

875
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 3: all this content to you. It's I'm going to get

876
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: up and connect with you immediately, and that is going

877
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 3: to be the thing that we all remember in the

878
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: experience that makes us feel something rather than jeeze.

879
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 4: I had some good content, yes, And.

880
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 1: Also like and I've had lots of resistance from news

881
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: speakers that I've helped that are very smart, very knowledgeable,

882
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: and in their area, way more knowledgeable than me. And

883
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: when I say you need to be more of an

884
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: edutainer than an educator, they're like what, And I go,

885
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: if you are boring, if they do not en or you,

886
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: if you can't tell a story, if you can't be

887
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: a little bit amusing. You don't need to be hilarious

888
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: or a stand up comic. But if your information and

889
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: your data and your research is brilliant, but they are

890
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: not engaged, they are not enjoying it. They don't enjoy you.

891
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: They won't enjoy the experience. You're not getting any more work.

892
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: So how well can you build connection and rapport and

893
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: trust and respect, also sharing your ideas and your information

894
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: and your knowledge. Do that, but also realize more important

895
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: than your content is your capacity to engage a room

896
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 1: of humans and read the room of humans in real

897
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: time and then respond accordingly. Which sounds overwhelming, but you

898
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: know you build on that because you go, oh, I

899
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: did this last time. It didn't work. Well, I'm not

900
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: fucking doing that again. When I ask that, it's like

901
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: generally you know that gets a response.

902
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll feel fine. You'll find the thing, the tool

903
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: that you have that you get really good responses from,

904
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 3: like your one, you know, like how many people are overthinkers.

905
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: You'll find your version of that. Yes, and you can

906
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: use that, you know, repeatedly. Just because you don't have

907
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: a script doesn't mean you know, in my context, I

908
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: don't always have a scripture doesn't mean I don't tell

909
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: the same stories or use the same ideas. Yes, I

910
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 3: mean they don't come out the same every time. Because

911
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: it's not scripted, but the punchline should still be the same.

912
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I start to introduce the idea of metaperception,

913
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: you know, my research, which is understanding what it's like

914
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: being around you. You know, you can go through this

915
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: whole cognitive kind of explanation of you know, metacognition and

916
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: theory of mind and metaperception and all of these constructs

917
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: that live in the world of psychological research and analysis. Right,

918
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: but it's boring, Like it's boring, and I can exp

919
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: to in that context it's boring, but I will go

920
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: rather than saying, hey, everybody, I've just spent six years

921
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: researching this thing called meta let me unpack it with you.

922
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: So get out your note pad and switch on and

923
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: eyes to me, you know, like everyone's like, ah, fuck off, right,

924
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: So I go, all right, put wrap your hand. If

925
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: you've ever heard your voice on audio, like audio recording,

926
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: And people go, oh, fah, that's the worst, and they

927
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: and they all put up their hand reluctantly, and I go, now,

928
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: put up your hand if you think you sound shit,

929
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: that's good. I love that. And everyone laughs because to them,

930
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: when they hear themselves, you know, on audio recording, they

931
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: sound rubbish, so you know, and I go, well, here's

932
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: the bad news. That's what you sound like for the

933
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: rest of us all the time. You know, that whiny

934
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: nasally thing that you got going on, that's all we hear.

935
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: So when you hear yourself and you go, I don't

936
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: sound anything like that. You sound exactly like that all

937
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: of the time. All of the people who fucking hear you,

938
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: So that what you've got going on in your head,

939
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: we do not live in there. And I go, and

940
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: then I unpack it. So this is the opening of

941
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: the door to trying to understand what you are like

942
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: for me, not in a good way or a bad

943
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: way or a critical way, but just in an awareness way.

944
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: You know, we go oh oh, and I go, this

945
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: is why this stuff matters. You know, Like what if

946
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: you're a coach and you're talking to your ten athletes

947
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: on the basketball court and you think you're inspiring and

948
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: directing and captivating them, and they all think you're a dickhead,

949
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 1: but you don't know. You know, they all think you're

950
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: they don't understand what you're talking about, or they're not inspired,

951
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: or they're bored or they're intimidated. Well, even though that's

952
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: not your intention. Obviously, it's certainly in your interest to

953
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: understand their version of right now, because your version of

954
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: right now is not theirs. And if you don't know that,

955
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: you're going to create more problems and solutions. Nice, but

956
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: you get there by opening that other Have you heard

957
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: yourself on audio? This is like these stepping stone this

958
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: is the oh yeah, a little bit of a story,

959
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: a little few laughs, and then so this is how

960
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: this relates to this other thing.

961
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's such a I feel like there's a master

962
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 3: class in like, yeah, take can you take your knowledge

963
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: and wisdom? And undoubtedly everyone listening has a bunch of it,

964
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 3: but can you actually distill it into something that is relatable,

965
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 3: maybe humorous, that I can engage with, that I can

966
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 3: wrap my head around, not just I mean it's kind

967
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: it is kind of the in a meta way. Can

968
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: you understand how you're coming across on stage in the

969
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 3: same way that you understand how your voice sounds when

970
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,959
Speaker 3: you listen to a recording, Because if you sound professorial

971
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 3: like a professor yea, and that's not what the audience

972
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: calls for, you're pretty quickly going to lose them. So

973
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,959
Speaker 3: that it's not about knowledge dumping knowledge sharing. It's about

974
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 3: can you translate that into something that is worth connecting

975
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 3: with and over And I.

976
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: Think a lot of people naturally have a better understanding

977
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: and grasp of this than they think. Yes, but it's like,

978
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, so if if let's say Tiff wasn't a speaker,

979
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: she was a boxer and a trainer, right, which is

980
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: part of her background as well. But if she had

981
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: to talk to a bunch of forty year old ladies

982
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: about you know, beginning off in boxing or whatever, versus

983
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of forteen year old boys, right, it would

984
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: be even though she's talking about the same thing, it's

985
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: a very different energy and conversation. And you know, and

986
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: nobody said to her, Hey, when you talk to the boys,

987
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: don't talk like you did to the women, because that's

988
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: self evident. So we do it anyway. We have an

989
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: awareness anyway. But it's you know, it's like me knowing

990
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: that the mil Jura vibe and energy and language is

991
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: not going to work at A and Z in Melbourne.

992
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: That's not the right approach or vibe. And just yes,

993
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: we can share all the same ideas, but not in

994
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: the same way.

995
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 4: Totally.

996
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 3: People speak to my son differently to how they speak

997
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: to me, shocker, and like we do that, we do

998
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: that subconsciously, so it's the same, it's the same skill.

999
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: It's always good talking to you, mate, I love talking

1000
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: to you. How is that going.

1001
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: I've got a page of notes, which is great. I

1002
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 3: feel like I just got a masterclass, which is great.

1003
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: Well, we always learn from you too. I love that.

1004
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's not yours, but I love

1005
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: the purple cow thing and tips blue apple thing. I

1006
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: love that. How do people connect with you?

1007
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 4: Oh human?

1008
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: Periscope dot com is the one stop shop for all things,

1009
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 3: all things Peach Sheppard podcast, blogs, all that jazz, emails, reach.

1010
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: Out, giddy ut butto cup. Have you got lots of

1011
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: corporate on at the moment?

1012
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 4: I do?

1013
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1014
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm in Sydney every other week at

1015
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: the moment, which is which is fun, which is good.

1016
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 3: And I've started doing a few a few local gigs

1017
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 3: up here too, with the with the Queensland Rugby League

1018
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: and the Great Barrier Refoundation and a few others. So

1019
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: a few local gigs and jumping on the plane plenty.

1020
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you're good at it. That's why you're in

1021
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: demand and and let me tell you, like there companies

1022
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: are spending less on the speakers, and so the fact

1023
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: that you are busier than ever is a sign. So

1024
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: go you and TIFFs on a way, TIFFs on TIFFs

1025
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: number number, I don't know whatever with a bullet. You're

1026
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: on the rise. In a year, you're going to be

1027
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: teaching me and Pete how to do this shit. I'm

1028
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: straight We're going to have a little bit of a workshop.

1029
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: She'll bring out the blue Apple and I'll be like,

1030
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, the blue Apple.

1031
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 4: There it is again.

1032
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: And Tiff, good luck for your escapades in Queensland. That's

1033
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: coming up very soon, so we hope that goes great.

1034
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: Smash it, Tiff, all right, team love your guts is

1035
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: so yeah.