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Speaker 3: I don't if you ever, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: How did you pull up?

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Speaker 2: How did open up? I was good, it was better

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Speaker 1: Well, this is good, this is always keep it going,

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, that's still got Cole saws.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, but mate, I'm sort of used to I

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Speaker 3: This way to do.

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Speaker 2: You're not get avery.

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Speaker 3: It's a beautiful part of the world. Yeah, beautiful. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Invariably they all say yes, yeah, we were on the

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Speaker 4: Is there any better way than getting over a loss

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to play, said he. He turned around and

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Speaker 4: I've never seen a crowd because we were last the year

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Speaker 4: Oh, he's unbelievable. I've never seen him before.

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Speaker 3: The week before did you double live live Golf when

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So that was running through because Munster, Munster and

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Speaker 4: Melbourne and twenty twenty one, the money was talking to

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Speaker 5: So they'd been talking a lot, and Cameron had got

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Speaker 5: he's been hitt him up for tickets and he wanted

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Speaker 5: then there was an after party that lived and Cameron's gone, mate,

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Speaker 5: I just I can't tell you what he said, but

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Speaker 4: The best part of Money's wedding that it was on

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Speaker 4: get like a million dollars a gig. I think Fisher

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Speaker 4: does too. He flies and then Charters down in Melbourne

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Speaker 4: does two New Years.

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Speaker 2: That's how big it is.

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Speaker 4: And Money's thought, you know what his birthday was, It

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, what Fisher like, it was bald and now

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Speaker 3: Was it was that a Turkey job?

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Speaker 4: It was a local bloke up and they wow because

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Speaker 3: He's so happy with that about Carls. Was he Carl

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Speaker 3: Lawton that he was there too Fisher? Yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 3: good time Carlos, Yeah, he does, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: He was talking about blokes that were having a good

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Speaker 2: There was literally beads of.

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Speaker 4: Sweat dropping off his notes, like he was just drenched.

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Speaker 4: And then he goes, I got, He goes, I gotta go.

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Speaker 4: He goes, I got Today's show in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Well, he jumped up in the middle of the flight.

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Speaker 1: I looked over and the hair when he was laying down,

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Speaker 1: You don't any of the journals there at Fisher because

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Speaker 3: That was good.

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Speaker 4: High stress. Do you find a high stress job? Because

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Speaker 5: Actually, Nick Nick called me on the way here because

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Speaker 5: Like it's tough with my own clients, I tell them

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Speaker 5: kind of got it done just casually. It was pretty

442
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,679
Speaker 5: pretty casual. But you know, I've been proud of him,

443
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,800
Speaker 5: you know, where he's come from where he was. Then

444
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 5: when I did sort of have the conversations with him

445
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,200
Speaker 5: at the start, it was like, mate, I'm a new

446
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,120
Speaker 5: I'm new in this business. I don't have many clients,

447
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 5: I don't want many clients. But if you're going to

448
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 5: come on board, you know, you've got to pretty much

449
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 5: change your ways from where he was, you know, and.

450
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 3: He knew that himself.

451
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 5: So you know, it's been a pleasure to manage him,

452
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 5: you know, like we don't know what he's like. He's

453
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,080
Speaker 5: you know, he's all over the shop a bit. He's American,

454
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 5: he's one of us, he's one of the boys. But

455
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 5: he's in terms of intellect rugby league intellect, there's not

456
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 5: many better, you know more, you know as much as me.

457
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 5: But when I talk to him after games or before

458
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 5: a game, the detailer, when she goes into in terms

459
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 5: of oppositions and even his own play, his next level

460
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 5: really is elite. And that's when like, I've got to

461
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 5: know him at a personal level now, even his work ethic, like,

462
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 5: because everyone looks at him as this loose, you know, funny,

463
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 5: sarcastic character, which he is, and he's a bit of

464
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 5: a pest at times around the group and all that

465
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 5: sort of things. But he expects perfection. He demands it.

466
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 5: He's worked, he works hard for it, and there's not

467
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 5: many smarter guys in the game of Doesn't.

468
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 1: That just show the benefit of a good football education,

469
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: having a great coach you can teach you that sort

470
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 1: of stuff. Some people, unfortunately, go through the whole career

471
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: and never understand the game fully. And if you look

472
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: at an example of that, an extension of that is

473
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 1: Tim Chun's was one of the great educators and regular

474
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: league back in the day with the Canberra side, revolutionized

475
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff.

476
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 3: Now you look at the.

477
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Speaker 1: Players, the players on that side that have gone under coaching,

478
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 1: it's been astounding. I mean, including Craig Bellamy. You know,

479
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 1: it's understanding those details and I think sometimes players underestimate

480
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 1: that break you young Jonah peasant, what he'll be learning

481
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 1: down there, which is so important and be very easy

482
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 1: for him to take the rubles and go somewhere else.

483
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, but he's realized just on that with Joan,

484
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 5: he realized that he's better off in that system longevity,

485
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 5: his intellects quite high. Bellamy actually said to me that

486
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 5: he's the smartest. I shouldn't probably say.

487
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 3: This, I do it because Coopsy that's great. I love this.

488
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 4: It gets passed down from general, it gets as you know,

489
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 4: it gets passed down from old.

490
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 5: But yeah, he said, he's you know, he's the smartest

491
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 5: half he's ever coached, and he sees him as a

492
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 5: coach after footy already he's only played a few first

493
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 5: grade games, but you've had Cooper Cooper cronchor and everyone

494
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 5: down there. That's a big call. So but you know,

495
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 5: he's only young, and he's had a few injuries, Jonah.

496
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 5: But that's yeah, I think that that's where, like you know,

497
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 5: players beyond their years make the decisions based on you know, intellect,

498
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 5: but also longevity in the game and think forward, because.

499
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 3: That's a big call.

500
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 4: Like Jonah, jonahs young, but he's also at a time

501
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 4: where he's ready for first grade. It would have been

502
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 4: so easy for him to take a contract and get

503
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 4: double triple as much money and play first grade.

504
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 3: Now, at some point.

505
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: You've got to cash at chips. You just can't do

506
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: it too early. I've seen this a million times. I've

507
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: seen young players sometimes players you know, in their mid

508
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: twenties and not so much young players, and they're sitting

509
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: as the second string Harpe, just sit behind. But it's

510
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: in a really strong system, and they come in and

511
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: they win grand finals. They do this, and all of

512
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: a sudden, eventually they cash their chips in the next

513
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: place they go to.

514
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 3: Fuck.

515
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, that's difficulty.

516
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, on Jonah, like you said, I remember, I listened

517
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 4: to a potty he actually did a while back, and

518
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 4: he says, it himself. The best thing about Melbourne is

519
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 4: like you get an instant humbling when you go to Melbourne,

520
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 4: Like he spoke about his first I think it was

521
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 4: his first preseason down there, and it was like he

522
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 4: went from a joint where he was a junior at Newcastle,

523
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 4: Pez was playing under eighteen's origin. Pez was like a

524
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 4: real gun coming through it. New We Melbourne were able

525
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 4: to sign him and you probably go from a big

526
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 4: fish in a small pond, you think you're going better

527
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 4: than you are, and then you go to a town

528
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 4: where no one knows who you are, you walking down

529
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,239
Speaker 4: the street, and you go into a team where you're

530
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 4: getting absolutely flogged. And Pez probably he was. He was

531
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 4: quite young eighteen seventeen when he came into the first

532
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 4: grade squad to start training. But if he'd stayed in

533
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 4: Sydney probably wouldn't have gone straight into first grade full

534
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 4: time training and going in at an age where he

535
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 4: probably wasn't ready to train with first graders. But he

536
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 4: was instantly humbled and realize how hard it is to

537
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 4: make it, and that's put the spear in Oh, it's

538
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 4: nothing to do with I think I actually think it

539
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 4: happens with most Sydney teams, like most Sydney teams probably

540
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 4: don't elevate the eighteen to twenty year olds into their

541
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 4: first grade squad as early as Melbourne do. And I

542
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 4: think it probably get loves them into a little bit

543
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 4: of a false sense of security because they think, I'm

544
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 4: killing it in this in this grade, I'm killing it,

545
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 4: playing underaders.

546
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: I'm killing it playing under a clear.

547
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: Pitch of Melbourne of like succession, a clear pitch of

548
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: how they do it, timelines.

549
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 5: And then like and you go back to salary caps.

550
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 5: They find a way to keep them all at the

551
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 5: right price.

552
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 3: Cabinet.

553
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 5: But they're a club where players, and I know for

554
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 5: a fact players will take less to stay in the

555
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 5: group to win premierships and have that bond that they've

556
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 5: got that we're.

557
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: Talking about the other day.

558
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 4: Like you take every one of the Spine members down there,

559
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 4: perhaps Harry Munster hughes it.

560
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: They're all leaving. They're all million dollar players.

561
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 3: Peraps could have went this year to Para or wherever

562
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 3: a lot more money. He stayed. He only signed one.

563
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 4: Year, one year extension, which in itself.

564
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,959
Speaker 3: You know, like he could have left for a lot

565
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 3: more money.

566
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: It's been a strange relationship that one perhaps some alboun

567
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: for a long time.

568
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 3: It's never been.

569
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: It's always been. I mean if you go back when

570
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: they signed it from the Tigers, and then all of

571
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: a sudden he found himself at the bottom of the pile,

572
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,479
Speaker 1: behind drinking and behind Nico and then behind Hughsey, behind

573
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,719
Speaker 1: Billy not trying to him and no one would take him.

574
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: So there's always you know, there's always been I wouldn't

575
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: say unsettled there, but he's never quite been able to.

576
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: Really, he's been eccentric.

577
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: Is unique, unicorn unique meaning when.

578
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 3: It was across this like an a century kind of dude.

579
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 2: Like out there, he's introverted.

580
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 4: So he's really and he says that himself, like there's

581
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 4: there's been social situations where we're in a group setting

582
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 4: and he'll actually say I'm an introvert to everyone.

583
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

584
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's perhaps is a great dude. Perhaps is

585
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: a really good dude. I love I love playing alongside Pats.

586
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 4: I loved him as a teammate, but he definitely like

587
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 4: until you get to know and you know what it's

588
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 4: like when you get to when you come to a

589
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 4: new when you go to a new club. You've always

590
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 4: got teammates who are a little bit like it takes

591
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 4: you three or four months to understand what they're like.

592
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 3: Around.

593
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like people are, there's so many different personalities

594
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 4: in a rugby league squad. Perhaps has like got a

595
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 4: very unique personality. He's very different, like he spends a

596
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 4: lot of time on his own. He lives like a

597
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 4: fair while out like from where all the other boys live,

598
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 4: so he's kind of isolated.

599
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: He loves loves reading.

600
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 4: He used to breed stick insects back in the day

601
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight and we first got there

602
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 4: normal he bought stick in sects and they accidentally made

603
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: it laid eggs, so then he just started breeding.

604
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: I mean you like reading as well. Penthouse for us.

605
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: Spot goes to school.

606
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: Different clubs, but you've been to a Now you're a

607
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: South junior initially?

608
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 5: Were you in South Junior? Played for Member Lions. Well,

609
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 5: my uncle was George Piggins, so I had no option. Really,

610
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 5: my dad played a game for South first grade, so

611
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 5: and I went to every game.

612
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: Tragic Tragic House Sydney supporter.

613
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: She went for South going.

614
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was born in South Jersey and it was

615
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 5: you know, I just loved them.

616
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: It was my favorite player actually.

617
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 5: At one point, and Les Davidson, Phil Blake, Craig Coleman,

618
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 5: Michael Andrews like that was that was my kind of

619
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 5: when I was only really young man.

620
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 3: But I still remembered it.

621
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 5: So and then I played all the lower grades of

622
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 5: South We won the SG Ball Grand Final, which was

623
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 5: pretty special there when I was when I was kind

624
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 5: and then I I actually left it played rugby union

625
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 5: for just for full time. What position did you play there,

626
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 5: fly half fly aff, Yeah, and I was And my

627
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 5: dad actually wanted me to play rugby union instead. He

628
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 5: thought I was better at it, so I went. I

629
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 5: gave up for a year and went and played rugby

630
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 5: union and golf. And then the full back, the fullback

631
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 5: got injured for South SG Ball the year we won it,

632
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 5: and they rang me and said Denny loft Us, his

633
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 5: name was the coach. He rang me and said, mate,

634
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 5: do you want to come back and play league? And

635
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 5: I just loved league more like I just, so I

636
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 5: went back and played him and at fullback. I remember

637
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 5: we beat Paramatta in the final. Luke Burton that that

638
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 5: team which was the Gun team which I was playing

639
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 5: fullback which I never even played before.

640
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: So did you speed back then?

641
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 5: That was a long time, very long time ago. I

642
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 5: had I don't know how I played it now. And

643
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 5: then I had remember had that one game for the

644
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 5: Roosters full back disaster frediism's a few of those. That

645
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 5: was a you did make a good center. That was

646
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 5: That was the day that Freddy made me full back.

647
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 5: He pulled me in Perc into the office on a

648
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 5: Thursday for a Saturday night game at Penrith whatever it

649
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 5: was called back then, and he said both, He's going

650
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 5: to put your full back this week, and me and

651
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 5: Pierce started pissing out.

652
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: So we thought he was We thought he was joke. April.

653
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 5: Honestly, he has none I'm serious, you know, and we're like, okay,

654
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 5: And then I remember standing out there and like in

655
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 5: the Captains running, I'm standing there kicking balls and I'm

656
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 5: don't even know where to stand, and I'm thinking, what,

657
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 5: you know, I didn't know this is going to be

658
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 5: a disaster. And then it starts pissing down the night

659
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 5: of the game and I'm just standing back there, going, oh,

660
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 5: this is awful. I think Michael Jennings even made a

661
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 5: break and I'm like, hey, am I going to catch him?

662
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 5: You're talking about speed? I wasn't fast in the hearts

663
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 5: full back, but no, that was a disaster.

664
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: How did to go? I was a bad night.

665
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: Do you have a favor? If you want to laugh

666
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: and and have a look at the highlights?

667
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: Walk off and you're ring your family member and so

668
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, you record all my games.

669
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: I was filthy after it.

670
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you so you started the Bulldozo NRL.

671
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, going back?

672
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 5: So yeah, then I come back and then my dream

673
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 5: is to play for SOUS. That was my I didn't

674
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 5: there was no other team, and then before they got

675
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 5: kicked out of the competition. So it was way back then.

676
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 5: My uncle come up to me and he was the

677
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 5: president of the house and he said, mate, bad news.

678
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 5: He told me before anyone knew. He said, we're gone.

679
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: You know. He goes, you know, I.

680
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 5: Was sixteen, I think sixth round sixteen. He said, you're

681
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 5: gonna have to go, mate, And I said, really, he goes,

682
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 5: we've got We're gonna have no first grade team. So

683
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 5: he he actually picked where I went. He wouldn't let

684
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 5: me go the roosters.

685
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: You guys, wherever you want go the roosters going. That's

686
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: pretty much what happened.

687
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 5: And he had a good relationship with Punchy Nelson and

688
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 5: the guys at the Dogs, so he sent me there

689
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 5: and then that's how I landed at Canterbury. And then

690
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 5: it was it was amazing that the you know, the

691
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 5: experience I had there, the professionalism, but just the I've

692
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 5: very united, very family orientated, trained hard like really got

693
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 5: me disciplined and into my training and turned me from

694
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 5: a boy you knew, man.

695
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: How long did it take race from you arriving at

696
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: the Bulldogs to play in first grade really quickly?

697
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, about a year and a half. So how old

698
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 5: were you in your day? It was against Newcastle Now

699
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 5: it was actually a one off para matter. I think

700
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 5: Sticky and Brad Clyde and they were all playing first

701
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 5: grade at the time for the Dogs and I think

702
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 5: it was Origin time and they called me in and

703
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 5: I just come off the bench. It was a one

704
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 5: and I was just like playing first grade well like

705
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 5: I was a baby.

706
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I played the whole next year after.

707
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 1: That, as you trained renowned like stup the late Steve

708
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: folks renowned him and Billy Johnston when you went there

709
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: and like you're talking about Melbourne and their army camp's

710
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: been tortured. I think Canterbury were the first side to

711
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 1: really inflict that sort of punishment on their players.

712
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 5: I was shocked, you know, like they used to just

713
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 5: call me the pretty boy soft cock from because my

714
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 5: car I had this, because I signed this contract.

715
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: I thought I was cool. It's this little white to

716
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: a salika. It was the two door. It was the

717
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: most embarrassing CARDI rock up to Bill Moore and when

718
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: you got Darren Briton, Craig Polling Mound and all those

719
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: blokes there, they just looked at me and look at.

720
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 5: And they got out of the car with your hair

721
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 5: sleep back and they just put me straight in the line.

722
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: But they you know, like the yeah, the training there, Billy.

723
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 5: Johnson was just an animal and they just wanted to

724
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 5: break out.

725
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: That was there. They wanted to break you.

726
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 5: And you know that that first session and there Gary Carden,

727
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 5: who was under Billy at the time, he flogged the

728
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 5: shit out of me until I was vomiting into the

729
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 5: bin next to the real machine. All that, but it

730
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 5: was kind of a system they had where if you

731
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 5: turned up then you know, if you got through the session,

732
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 5: you didn't complain, and you turned up the next day,

733
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 5: then you're there. You're welcome. But a lot of guys

734
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 5: don't turn up that next day. They just go home

735
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 5: and say Mum or dad, they can't do it. Yeah,

736
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 5: it's kind of a system they had there, and you know,

737
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 5: if you're either a bulldog or you weren't. And then

738
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 5: once you got in there, and you know, Billy like

739
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 5: the training we do is crazy, like we'd ride one

740
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 5: hundred k's, we'd do biathlons, triathlons because Billy was a

741
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 5: mad cyclist and boxer, and Spokesy was a mad cyclist,

742
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 5: triathlete and fitness freak himself and fanatic. So you know

743
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 5: that even the Polynesian guys and that Maddie Utah on

744
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 5: a bike going around Centennial Park falling off bikes. And

745
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 5: then you know doing swim leagues they could and swim.

746
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 5: A lot of the guys that don't have to wear

747
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 5: their fins and some of the some of the ship

748
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 5: that went down there, but they were like next level,

749
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 5: next level.

750
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: I remember Billy, we uh try nations to Billy was

751
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: the trainer and there was myself and a few of

752
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: the boys who were the ems in the first couple

753
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: of weeks and like Billy would take me out every

754
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: single night. Come on, let's go out, and we go

755
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: out to be three or four o'clock and two hours

756
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: later I have to go on sleepy banging on the door,

757
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: get me up doing boxing. It was just it was

758
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: both the best and the worst. And every time you

759
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: get me, every night you get there and so mate,

760
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: you good job.

761
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: Mate.

762
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: Come we'll go out again. We go out again and

763
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: do it the next one. But I won't do it. It

764
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: just it just went on. I never learned my lessons.

765
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 3: Well I knew what was coming for your night out. Yeah,

766
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 3: I mean it's worth worth it.

767
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: It's so worth it.

768
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 4: What about who was like the I suppose who was

769
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 4: the rat pack? Who was the young boys? That that's

770
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 4: squad was s P W and Willy and your age?

771
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, Will Sonny was like a lot younger than us,

772
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 5: but he was in the he was in the pack.

773
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 5: He was just a young kid. He rocked up and

774
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 5: he looked like Tarzan at age seventeen, liked long had

775
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 5: and just ripped up and you know, and he's a

776
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 5: good man, Sonny, but he was also.

777
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were loose.

778
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 5: We were loose, like we had myself for any Willie

779
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 5: Mason okay, really really.

780
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 3: Tongue convinced me we were we were we were.

781
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 5: We had fun, you know, like we we trained hard,

782
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 5: played hard, like what you just said there with Billy,

783
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 5: Like we'd go out into the cross till four in

784
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 5: the morning, have to be training by eight, and we

785
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 5: just find a way to get there. We'd have to

786
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 5: do malcolms and whatever else and we'd do it half honestly,

787
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 5: we do it half cut and then you know you'd.

788
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: Have the rest of the day off. But we just try.

789
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 5: We you know, we had a good time. But we

790
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 5: we trained hard, you know, and we just wrote it.

791
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: But j T was in there. There's a few of us.

792
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 3: It was a good game.

793
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: Two thousand and four years wanted. I remember about pretty bit.

794
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: A third of the way through.

795
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: The season, the U Blokes played the Tigers out of Campbelltown.

796
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: I turned up and was a few of the boys

797
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: coming back from injury in the reserve grade side with

798
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: Sonny Bill Williams running a tour and Jonathan Thurston to

799
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: say he's won yeah game.

800
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, bloody, what about that? That Premiership. Like, you're

801
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 4: you're still quite young in your career and you're coming

802
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 4: up against Freddie Fitler, was Brad the other five as? Yeah,

803
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 4: were you pretty like as? Were you a confident bloke

804
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 4: or were you quite intimidated by that?

805
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 3: No? I was confident.

806
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I was confident, Like he was my favorite

807
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 5: player too, and I'm coming up against him in a

808
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 5: Grand Final. You know, I always had a like and

809
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 5: I think this is why there's a lot of people

810
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 5: did judge me a little bit back then, but I

811
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 5: was I was confident, had a little bit of arrogance.

812
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 5: But I look back on it and I think it

813
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 5: got me to where I was, Like, you know, I

814
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 5: think it didn't come across the best at.

815
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: Times, but it was just the way I was.

816
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 5: It'd always sort of had a lot of success as

817
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 5: a young oak and back myself and had confidence and ability.

818
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 5: So I was was definitely confident. Wasn't intimidated by playing him,

819
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 5: although he did smash me first. I dropped it nearly

820
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 5: the first touch. You come charging at me from Marker

821
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 5: and he was all over the top of me, into me,

822
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 5: just hammering me about it, and you know, but it

823
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 5: was all it was I look back on it was like,

824
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 5: you know, it's moments like that you never forget, you know.

825
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 5: And then we ended up winning the game and I

826
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 5: got the ring with number six on. It was Freddy's

827
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 5: last game too, so it was.

828
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 4: That Freddy's last game.

829
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, here I am wearing the you know,

830
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 5: the Premiership ring with number six on it, which was cool.

831
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, it was. It's surreal when you look

832
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: back and when you're in the moment.

833
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 5: When you're in the moment, you just kind of think

834
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 5: it's normal, you know, like you don't think it's that

835
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 5: big of a deal, and then you look back on

836
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 5: it all a few years after and you go, wow,

837
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 5: that was huge, you know, But when you're in it,

838
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 5: you just think it's normal.

839
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: You do, you do.

840
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: It's always like those things, you look back and you

841
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: get a bit of perspective. Like the next move break

842
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: you're talking about sitting in a the either storm is

843
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: that you go to the roosters, who are the arch

844
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: enemy of of the Bulldogs at the time, but the

845
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: principal enemy, the historical enemy of South's.

846
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 3: That was That was that tough.

847
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 5: That was that was the hardest moment in my career.

848
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 5: It was so big, and because I wanted to stay

849
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 5: at the Borders. There was a lot of people don't understand,

850
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 5: but we with that team. I just mentioned, you know,

851
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 5: the cap we had no they had no money for me,

852
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 5: and the Bulldogs wouldn't say that because it looked bad

853
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 5: if they said they couldn't afford me or wanted or

854
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 5: they didn't have any money for me. So they kind

855
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 5: of said going to move on, but really they'd sign

856
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 5: really in Sonny. I didn't have a cent so I

857
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 5: had to go. And to this day, a lot of

858
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 5: Dogs fans think I just walked out. I didn't. I

859
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 5: had to go. So then it was where do I go?

860
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 5: And Souse had just been reinstated, so that was really fresh.

861
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 5: They didn't really you know, they didn't really have an

862
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 5: established team.

863
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: They're rebuilding.

864
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 5: And then I've got the Roosters, you know, Ricky Stewart,

865
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 5: who's my origin coach at the time, you know, take

866
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 5: you know, I'm meeting with him and Gindel and Politis

867
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 5: and Brus and you know they're there, you know, and

868
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 5: now I'm taken over from Freddie, you know, so there's

869
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 5: kind of that opportunity there, and then I remember that

870
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 5: the house. My uncle's the president of House, and they're

871
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 5: throwing the kitchen sink at me and he's offering me

872
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 5: everything possible, and I'm thinking to I, I was a

873
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 5: Souse supporter too, so I wanted to I wanted to

874
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 5: go there, and I said, I'll only go there if

875
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 5: you if you I think they're trying to get awfored

876
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 5: at the time, and Maddie Bell and I said, if

877
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 5: you can get orphaned and Bell, I'll go, you know,

878
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 5: I'll definitely. That's enough for me to definitely go to Souse.

879
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 5: And then they just missed both of and I'm like,

880
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 5: I can't go there by myself.

881
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: It was a.

882
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: Patchwork team those early years. Yeah, it wasn't getting themselves

883
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: established again. It was a very very difficult time because

884
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: you aren't necess like so coops when you When I

885
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: kicked out of the competition, they lost all their contracted players,

886
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: so they had.

887
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 3: To rebuild it. They had to do a complete, completely rebuild. Yeah, yeah,

888
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: so we did.

889
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: Joey and I did a favor said it before. George

890
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: reached out to Joe and I through a third party,

891
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: and so we're really struggling to track players would you

892
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: mind coming out in the media or was helping with

893
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: their court case as well, come out of the media,

894
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: and just to clear that if we get back into

895
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: the comp that we were going to sign with Souse

896
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: and we went yeah, yeah, we know, so principal that

897
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: were afraid to tell life.

898
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 3: That's good.

899
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 4: It seems like back in that day fans probably took

900
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 4: it a lot more personally.

901
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 5: Like it seems like we know Souse fans are like yeah,

902
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 5: like they are as loyal like they there. I mean,

903
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 5: I've been one of them right there. They they see

904
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 5: me crazy right there. They are crazy loyal and they

905
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 5: are red and green eyed. They just didn't they hated me.

906
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 5: They hated me. I remember the game I played not

907
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 5: I think we played them not long after when I

908
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 5: was still at the Dogs, Like as I signed. Oh,

909
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 5: they just bowed me every time I touched it, spat

910
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 5: on me in that I was walking up like it

911
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 5: was that's hard for a young bloke. Yeah, now I was,

912
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 5: you know, I underrest again, I was so young. I

913
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 5: underestimated the impact of the decision, like what like I

914
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 5: really like it was the hardest decision I was about

915
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 5: to make. I wanted to go there I really did,

916
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 5: Like it was my dream to play for Souse from

917
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 5: the second I was born, and just things just didn't

918
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 5: fall into place. It was was it was almost impossible

919
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 5: to make the call. And I was getting this another

920
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 5: thing because I went to the Roosters that like, you know,

921
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 5: he's getting paid more. No, the deal Souse had for

922
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 5: me was it would have set me up for life.

923
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 5: Like it was crazy. It was a crazy deal. And

924
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 5: but for me, it wasn't about the money. It was

925
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 5: about I was in the Origin team. I wanted to

926
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 5: play finals and all that sort of stuff, you know,

927
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 5: and I was just coming to twenty four to twenty

928
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 5: five peak at that time. I throw yourself.

929
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: Into a rebuild, you like, I've come from a premiership

930
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: winning side, ambitious, playing for Australia playing and all of

931
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: a sudden put yourself into a team. At the time,

932
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: as I said, it was patchwork. There was no guarantees how.

933
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 3: It was going to go. You understand that. How tough

934
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: was it your mum?

935
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 5: It was hard for the family because Mum and George,

936
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 5: brother and sister and they're they're like and you know

937
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 5: George is struggling now, but even Marm and Nole and

938
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 5: they're best friends, you know, and even my mum and

939
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 5: George were the closest siblings out of all of them.

940
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 5: So and they are still today. But there was a

941
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 5: fracture there for a while because me and George were

942
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 5: close too and telling me uncle that I'm not going there.

943
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: Did he take it real bad?

944
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: Like? Did he take it? Uncompromising? Man? George?

945
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 5: Well he did, you know what, he wasn't too bad

946
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 5: like he Shane Rigardson took it worse.

947
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: Rich from he was crying because.

948
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 5: It was such a big because down Rich I didn't

949
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 5: take too but it was. It did fracture us a

950
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 5: little bit there, but you know a few years later

951
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 5: then he then he supported, he was fine after a while.

952
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: It was it was just a tough time.

953
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: I know, people like people from that. I maintain this

954
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: when you go through certain things in your life, you

955
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: hit past your fifties, you actually get a perspective and

956
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: you go Rugby league is the most important thing of

957
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: the least important things, Like it's really people I get

958
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: their identity off of, but you get it into perspective,

959
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, like when you see things that happen in

960
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: certain people's lives and things like that puts it.

961
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 5: In you know, I changed everything is when Crow and

962
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 5: Holmes the courtsh after him, he was like, you know

963
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 5: what it's It's not everything, you know, because he got

964
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 5: screwed over by them. So I could tell his perspective

965
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 5: on why, you know, I made my decision where I

966
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 5: le ended. He kind of he pulled back from Sea

967
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 5: House quite a bit, and I think that that changed

968
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 5: everything a lot too for him in his life.

969
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 3: I know that really hurt him, imagine, and he didn't

970
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 3: he didn't look at the game the way he used to.

971
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: It's funny now like I think most of the young

972
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 4: players in the NRL now probably see it for what

973
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 4: it is, which is a business. Like where it hearing

974
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 4: you guys talk about the game, probably from I would

975
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 4: say probably pre twenty ten, before it started to player

976
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 4: started to see it like that. It does seem like

977
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 4: it was a real loyalty like family, but like you

978
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 4: didn't want to offend anyone, and you probably didn't see

979
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 4: you would never think the club would treat you like

980
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 4: a pawn.

981
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: Well, I was just at a physio and the young

982
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: blake he was treating me. Yeah, he just couldn't believe

983
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: what I was benching.

984
00:44:54,840 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 3: But I've got this yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

985
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 3: What off Man.

986
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: And the young Blake asked me. He said, oh, you

987
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: know you played for the Knights. Yeah, you still love

988
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: the club and I yeah, but I look back at

989
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: it now. I love the city, I love the people,

990
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: I love my teammates. A club changes all the time,

991
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: it evolves, it evolves around.

992
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: You know, that's what your link is.

993
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 4: Do you because hearing you talk about South, hearing talk

994
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 4: about the Bulldogs, you played for the Roosters. Obviously you

995
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 4: played for the West Tigers. Looking back, now, who do

996
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 4: you see yourself as?

997
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: Like?

998
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 4: Do you have an is there a certain clubway yourself?

999
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: You can't sit on the fience. You've got to choose one.

1000
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: All I love the last nobody called reedy. You're really

1001
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: goosing yourself, really really gets that likely worked.

1002
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 5: You know, like this is an impossible it's impossible coops.

1003
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 5: Like I spent six or seven years of both, but

1004
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 5: like both of them want to comp with one captain

1005
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 5: the other for four or five years. I love them both,

1006
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 5: like for what they've done for me the position. I

1007
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 5: mean now, even with Fox and three sixty in life,

1008
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have without either of those clubs, like they

1009
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 5: are my clubs. I love them forever. I can't pick

1010
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 5: one or the other, you know, like I know Buzz

1011
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 5: has fun with it on three sixty, but I want

1012
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 5: them both to do well.

1013
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: But when you like, I find it new. Kind of

1014
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: made a good point there.

1015
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 5: When you're in our role now and you sit back

1016
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 5: and you're working the industry like we do, you kind

1017
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 5: of lose like you want to. You're not as obsessed

1018
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 5: with it, like you're more look at it from objectives,

1019
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 5: Like yeah, objectives objective.

1020
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: You're you're not.

1021
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 5: It's hard to explain. You don't live and die off

1022
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 5: every result, you know, like it doesn't really impact me

1023
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 5: as much if they win or lose.

1024
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, the most important thing is what your break down.

1025
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. That's what I enjoy.

1026
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did two great sides play?

1027
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: That's what That's what you love.

1028
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: Emotional just still like a Barchie chicken the shrimp fry

1029
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: with a thousand dolan sauce. I was shattered when I

1030
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: actually realized one thousand dollars. I actually thought it was

1031
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: like a mashed up when I was younger, like you know,

1032
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: seafood mix and realized it was a mayonnaise with tomatoes ketchup.

1033
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, making shattering.

1034
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question, Matthew quickly? Is any

1035
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: penny still around?

1036
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 4: Because someone told me the other day it's completely shut down?

1037
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 2: Is there any truth to that? Shut down?

1038
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: Still around? Best chicken around? That's yeah.

1039
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: This isn't a library neither.

1040
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, this isn't any penny.

1041
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: A Newcastle steggles. Now you've come to the boondocks. Out

1042
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: this way and one thing out this way, you sit

1043
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: and you get a fair bit of privacy.

1044
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: It this way. Now.

1045
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: In the suburbs, break papers like the Daily Mail seem

1046
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: to have an obsession with you.

1047
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, they're not interested in the fact that

1048
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 3: I drink with sixty year old men. But does that, like.

1049
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: When you talk about impacting your mom and family? Does

1050
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: that is just an annoyance.

1051
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 5: It's just an annoyance. I've dodged them pretty good lately,

1052
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 5: which is good. It's you know, it's hard with relationships.

1053
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 5: You know, you can't just go we You know, if

1054
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 5: you want to go and have dinner or a couple

1055
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 5: of drinks, you got to be wary of someone taking

1056
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 5: a photo because then it ends up in the paper

1057
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 5: when you.

1058
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: A wife, When did that start?

1059
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it starts when you when you marry

1060
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 3: Jodie Gordon.

1061
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 5: You know, like at the time that was that was

1062
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 5: wasn't quite under the radar, right, like Jodie. I met

1063
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 5: Jody back a long time ago, and you know she

1064
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 5: was obviously home and away and she was with Ryan

1065
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 5: Stokes and so she was quite the personality when I

1066
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 5: met her, right, she was in Australian TV and that

1067
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 5: sort of thing.

1068
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: And then that that's when it really amped up.

1069
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 5: I mean, to be fair, I still already had it

1070
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 5: before then, just because I think because of my uncle

1071
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 5: and then there's always there's always been something around me.

1072
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 5: I don't know it from the second I played it.

1073
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 5: Maybe as I played at a young age. I don't know,

1074
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 5: but there was kind of always attention, whether good or bad,

1075
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 5: you know, and it's just yeah.

1076
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: I think maybe dating a few high profile women help.

1077
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: I remember anything that Alex thought Beckham. Beckham said about

1078
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: Alex Ferguson when he started dating Posh Spice. He said

1079
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: to him, you know this decision will follow you for

1080
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: the rest of your life. Now that's an exaggeration. If

1081
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: you have that is one of the things that has

1082
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: defined David Beckham. Now if he had married Ronda next door,

1083
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: then you know, the whole Beckham thing would not be

1084
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: exactly what it is regardless of him and been a

1085
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: good food.

1086
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1087
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 4: We look at Travis Kelcey, right and Taylor like everyone

1088
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 4: thought everybody who knows sport knows.

1089
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: What Travis kelcey is.

1090
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 4: But then you put him into you marriag the biggest

1091
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 4: pop star in the world. I mean, he's dating the

1092
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 4: biggest pop star in the world. Now all of a sudden,

1093
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 4: anyone everyone on earth knows to Travis kelcey is, whether

1094
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 4: they know him a was an NFL player or his tas.

1095
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 2: For his boyfriend. Like, it's a pretty.

1096
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 4: Actually, And you know, I didn't realize I haven't felt

1097
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 4: this probably until I left footy and joined the radio

1098
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 4: show where it's not really a sporting show. But you

1099
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 4: don't realize how many people have no idea actually about sport,

1100
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 4: or how many people just don't even care about sport.

1101
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 4: Like the world is, especially Australia. Australia is a massive place.

1102
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 4: The amount of people that listen to listen to the

1103
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 4: radio show who don't listen, they're just invested in people's

1104
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 4: relationships and.

1105
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 3: Behind that Colin Jackie, that's that's I did a bit

1106
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 3: of stuff with them years ago. They're great and I

1107
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: listened to you guys all the time. But Colin doesn't

1108
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: give a shit about sport. But like people are obsessed

1109
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 3: with just with the gossip and rumors and relationships and just.

1110
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: And you know that that's what things. That has added

1111
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: to the sport too, if you like. I remember, like

1112
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: I always loved English soccer growing up, but I lost

1113
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: touch with it for years until I went over to

1114
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: England with the Kangaroo Tour started to understand Canton and

1115
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: all these people. When you understand the personalities, it brings.

1116
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: You to the sport.

1117
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people who you know, oftentimes

1118
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: who will follow rugby league that don't necessarily love the

1119
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: game inside out, but they love something. Bill Williams love

1120
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: Breathing Master, they love Nathan Cleary and that's why they

1121
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: follow their.

1122
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 3: Sides and follow the sport.

1123
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: That's why personalities are so important.

1124
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it is annoying.

1125
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's annoying because you I think I could be

1126
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 5: down like I got done at Couldie and this was

1127
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 5: a couple of easygo and I was just having a

1128
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 5: drink with like me and a couple of a couple

1129
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 5: of girls and the camera. The guy's got a part

1130
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 5: of me and just the girl and he's cut the

1131
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 5: everyone else out. And then then now and then all

1132
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 5: of a sudden, you know you're in a relationship. I

1133
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 5: could have just met this person and asked to Woozy,

1134
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 5: he's in a relationship.

1135
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: She didn't.

1136
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 5: They find out who the person in the photo, and

1137
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, you're getting married in Vegas.

1138
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 4: It's like happening all like, Yeah, you go on an

1139
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 4: innocent trip over to Bali and it just happens to

1140
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 4: come inside.

1141
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 2: That was my That was one of my favorite.

1142
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, an Aster and friends.

1143
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: Those people didn't they didn't see it.

1144
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 4: You got snapped in Bali and they made they created

1145
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 4: an angle that you were gone over there with a.

1146
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 3: School desperate em happened to himself.

1147
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: Laurie and Gordon we went to the Gold Coast for

1148
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: a VV promotion and we've all met at the hotel

1149
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: and it's made nice ole day and so what you reckon?

1150
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: Boys would stan down to have a swim. Yeah, we

1151
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: walked down there as we get to the beach, we

1152
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: get the shirts off and we're walking down there to swim.

1153
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: All these all these people start going to least.

1154
00:52:52,680 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 3: We realized schoolies was ye, sure, didn't Gordon Jordan for sure?

1155
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 3: I think said that two thousand and six was the

1156
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: best year of school is.

1157
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: I was.

1158
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: I was with Harry and that Yeah, we had a

1159
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: good night.

1160
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 5: And then it was the only rule. I've been there

1161
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 5: for three or four days, and we ripped in that

1162
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 5: and I had a good one. And then I woke

1163
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 5: up my famous red hot in the morning. I'm like,

1164
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 5: what's going on here? And then it's like embrace enjoying.

1165
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 5: He's the tool, he's going out of schoolies, And I'm like,

1166
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 5: fucking seriously, we had a good laugh.

1167
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 4: How do you Yeah, like you gotta you've got to

1168
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 4: laugh at it. But how do you handle a lot

1169
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 4: about stuff? Like how do you individually have a lot

1170
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 4: of stuff?

1171
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 3: Now? I don't give a ship.

1172
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 5: I used to let it impact me, like I think

1173
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 5: it's to helped me as a person too, Like I

1174
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 5: used to really, even as a player, I used to

1175
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 5: worry about all that, you know, like people's opinions and

1176
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 5: you know, whatever, criticisms but I don't.

1177
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 3: I do not care. I just don't care anymore.

1178
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 5: Coops like I love what I do, you know, I

1179
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 5: you know, I feel like I do right two beautiful

1180
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 5: young girls. You know, I'm pretty confident in my morals

1181
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 5: and values and all that sort of stuff. You know,

1182
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 5: I don't really listen to the outside noise anymore. It

1183
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 5: doesn't impact me.

1184
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: Everything you just said.

1185
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: That is what I'm not. You have two kids you're

1186
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: proud of, You're very comfortable in your morals.

1187
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 3: To finish with it before you do.

1188
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: Loves of the boys were curious playing Set of Origin

1189
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: with Uncle Joey.

1190
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, how was that was? That was an eye opener.

1191
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: Of course, two thousand and five.

1192
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was. It was cool.

1193
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 5: I mean Joey he was you know, we all know

1194
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 5: he's loose and loves a drink and a good time,

1195
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 5: but he was he hard worker, you know, and he

1196
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 5: instilled a lot of work ethic and I got to

1197
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 5: see how the best do it behind the scenes, which

1198
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 5: was for me. It was like an apprenticeship kind of

1199
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 5: thing at the time. And and then I just couldn't

1200
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 5: believe how far ahead he was thinking during games, Like

1201
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 5: it was like a game of chess with Joey's kind

1202
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 5: of setting up a certain player at one like he'd

1203
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 5: be going away to get back at you know, either

1204
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 5: a middle forward or whatever it may be. And then

1205
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 5: and then as soon as he'd sort of catch them out,

1206
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 5: then he'd get to an edge and catch someone happening

1207
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 5: out there, and he just it was just like a

1208
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 5: game of chess. And I really learned a lot from him,

1209
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 5: like just thinking three or four players ahead, but also preparation,

1210
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 5: you know, and attention to detail, you know, like we

1211
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 5: are passing. You wanted the ball out in front every time,

1212
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 5: so I was catching it with two hands, not on

1213
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 5: my chest, and just simple things like that, you know,

1214
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 5: footwork and kind of were I receiving the ball, and

1215
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 5: you know, even to kicking, you know, when he when

1216
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 5: you sort of shape it to the outside post and

1217
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 5: kick it off his inside foot everything. I kind of, yeah,

1218
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 5: I learned a lot from him, and I still I

1219
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 5: still get it. He's doing work with pears at the moment.

1220
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 5: You know, he's a That was the rule I have,

1221
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 5: Like I never played with anyone close to his ability ever,

1222
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 5: and I didn't afterwards either that that series, he was

1223
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 5: phenomenal yeah.

1224
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 3: Well they talk about like it's it's pretty well.

1225
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: It was his comeback series, right, you just come back.

1226
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 3: And well comula through intercept.

1227
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, in the first and then me and him, I

1228
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 5: got called in, so that was your debut. And I've

1229
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 5: played before, but I got called in for the to

1230
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 5: play in the halves with Bas, and then Bas went

1231
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 5: down with the back injury, and then Joey came in

1232
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 5: and then we played the next couple of games together

1233
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 5: and went being bang.

1234
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 3: But I was just riding away. But that's how that's

1235
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 3: how he came back.

1236
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: He tells a story the mate. It was terrifying, he said,

1237
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: just just sort of cruising along in the training, he said.

1238
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: And Joey turned up that second game and he said, mate,

1239
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: if it wasn't the right spot, he said, he just

1240
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: screamed at me. He said, I was just total, totally

1241
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: on edge.

1242
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 3: He said, it was. It was scary.

1243
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 4: Well, the boys say like generally start of origin camps

1244
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 4: are quite cruiser, like they try to keep morale high,

1245
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 4: get you to game day.

1246
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: It's all about connection.

1247
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 4: It sounds like when Uncle Joey came in was a

1248
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 4: little bit different, like it was almost like your club training,

1249
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 4: like it was quite intense, or it.

1250
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 5: Was very intense. Yeah, like it's but like you have

1251
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 5: a good time. Yeah, he's on the back of the

1252
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 5: bus with his can of coke.

1253
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, glad you said camp.

1254
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 2: Well he did that.

1255
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 3: It's quite a bit he get there.

1256
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes we would leading into the finals and ninety eight

1257
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: and we're sitting there, we've lost a couple of games

1258
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: in a row, and Joey goes. Joey's sitting there telling

1259
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: the group we need to go onto alcohol band, we're unprofessional,

1260
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: while he's having a large McDonald's coke and with alcohol

1261
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: in it. And then turned up Lake for training the

1262
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: next day and we said what happened with the alcohol band?

1263
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: He said, mate, look, they don't work.

1264
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 4: We got a little segment you for you have to

1265
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 4: finish off. It's called Loan Survivor. All right, Matthew usually

1266
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 4: runs it, but he always MUCKs up. How we explained

1267
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 4: it to the guests. So what happens is we give

1268
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 4: you a category. It might be best teammate, it might

1269
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 4: be funnest teammate, and then we go through a few

1270
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 4: and you pick one until we're left with one, and

1271
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 4: then that's that's the winner of that category.

1272
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 3: This tends to over explain it.

1273
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: This is best origin teammate for you.

1274
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 4: Okay, we've just touched on origin, but you know you

1275
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 4: don't know what there might be surprising there anyway, Mark

1276
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 4: o'merely or.

1277
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: Nathan heimash.

1278
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 3: Colleague, and I've got to go. Yeah, I played with him.

1279
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 2: Too, Ogre or Danny Badeiros.

1280
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 3: As a player, you can justify it.

1281
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 4: Heavy you want as your origin teammate. It can be

1282
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 4: Bedsy or Steve Menzies be Bedsy or Mark Asnier.

1283
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 3: I'm pretty close.

1284
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 4: I'll go Guess Dazz or Jason Rolls.

1285
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: Rolls last twenty four hours.

1286
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 3: I'll stick with gaz on this.

1287
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 4: Gazz or Craig fits given, Fitz fits your Anthony Minicella.

1288
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 3: Stick with Fizzy Fitz.

1289
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 4: Your Paul Gallon, Fitz Fitz, your Andrew John's Joey.

1290
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: Oh okay, woll okay. I thought you.

1291
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 4: I thought you might have edged him out just because

1292
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 4: you played with fifty for longer.

1293
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 3: That was it.

1294
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 4: But finishing Yeah yeah, no, no, no, we left here nice

1295
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 4: left him out.

1296
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 3: We always have been good. I appreciate you coming over.

1297
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 3: Made three sixty nights. That's great job. Enjoyed it.

1298
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 4: Thank your brave well said, school is next year, next year,