1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, December twenty four. Green's leader Adam Bandt says 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Labor is coming closer to the Greens position of full 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: support for Palestine, saying Anthony Alberonizi has been forced to 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: admit the Greens were right all along in criticizing Israel. 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: That's an exclusive interview live on Beaustralian dot com dot 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: u right now. How are we being manipulated on social media? 8 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: That's the big question burning from Hollywood right through to 9 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: all of our feeds as actress Blake Lively launches legal 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: action against a coast and a production house she says 11 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: deliberately sought to destroy her reputation and her life. Today, 12 00:00:54,880 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: Who's controlling what we see online? It was one of 13 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: the biggest movie releases of twenty twenty four, the longer 14 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: waited cinematic adaptation of Colleen Hoover's blockbuster novel It ends 15 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: with us, we. 16 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: All have an idea of what love can be. 17 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 3: I want to see you again. Now you see me, 18 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. 19 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: The film's stars Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni who also 20 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,639 Speaker 1: directed It Ends with Us, embarked upon a flashy press 21 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: tour reminiscent of the media blitz, executed to perfection by 22 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 1: Margo Robbie's Barbie. 23 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I didn't have any hesitations. 24 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: To me. It was a no brainer. 25 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: But the longer it went on, the more things felt. 26 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: A bit off. There is clearly something going on with 27 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: this movie. 28 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 4: They were at the premiere last night, they're all still 29 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 4: not interacting with justin mind you. 30 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 3: He's the producer, director, and a main character. 31 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: He was rarely pictured with his co stars on red carpets. 32 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: Lively was criticized for her lighthearted promotion of a film 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: about domestic violence. 34 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: It Ends with Us as in theaters now, so grab 35 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: your friends, where your. 36 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: Florals and had out to see. 37 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: It, and for using the publicity tour to spook her 38 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: haircare and alcohol brands. Old interviews resurfaced in which Lively 39 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: appeared condescending, rude. 40 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 3: Or bratty. What's the best way for them to be 41 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 3: able to talk to you about this? How would you 42 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: recommend they go about it? Like asking for my address 43 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: or my phone number, or like my location share or 44 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: I could just location share you, and then we could. 45 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: It quickly became a pylon of a particularly new kind, 46 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: a social media avalanche of negative videos, posts, and stories 47 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: apparently made by creators who'd all come to a similar 48 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: conclusion blake Lively was horrible. 49 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 5: After her concerningly vapid answers to fairly serious questions, I 50 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 5: found myself asking has she always sounded like this? 51 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: I think my algorithm was tricking me. 52 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: Ellie Dudley is The Australian's Legal affairs correspondent. She's also 53 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: in her twenties, which means she's a prime target for 54 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: this kind of viral social content. 55 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 3: I was just being fed so much content that told 56 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 3: me that Blake Lively was a bad person. 57 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: On Friday, blake Lively filed a legal complaint revealed by 58 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: The New York Times in which she accused her co 59 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: star Justin Baldoni and others of legal violations, including sexual 60 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: harassment and retaliating against her for a workplace complaint. She's 61 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: claiming Baldoni, producer Jamie Heath, their film company Wayfarer and 62 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: its billionaire founder Steve Sarrowitz, and public relations people they 63 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: employed crafted a sophisticated social media astroturfing campaign in which 64 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: they created and then fed an onslaught of negativity against Lively. 65 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: The lawsuit claims it was all in an attempt to 66 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: intimidate Lively into staying silent about her claims that Baldoni 67 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: and Heath had behaved badly on set. Lively's lawsuit says 68 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: the social media campaign was retaliation for a meeting held 69 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: in January twenty twenty four in the middle of shooting 70 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: for the film, in which Lively presented a list of 71 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: thirty demands. We've used AI voices throughout this episode to 72 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: read from the legal complaint. 73 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: No more showing nude videos or images of women, including 74 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: producers who were mentioned of mister Baldoni's or mister Heath's 75 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: previous pornography addiction or BL's lack of pork. No more 76 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: descriptions of their own genitalia. No more inquiries by mister 77 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: Baldoni to BL trainer without her knowledge or consent to 78 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: disclose her weeak. An intimacy coordinator must be present at 79 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 2: all times when Biella is on satin scenes with mister Baldon. 80 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: Lively said after she signed on to make the movie, 81 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: Baldoni suddenly introduced sexual and nude scenes she hadn't agreed to, 82 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: including wanting her to be totally nude in a scene 83 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: where her character gives birth. 84 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: When miss Lively objected to these editions, mister Baldoni insisted 85 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: he had added them because he was making the film 86 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: through the female gaze. 87 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: Baldoni's denied the allegations, saying the complaint is categorically false 88 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: and accusing Lively of trying to tank the film. In 89 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: the end, the movie was a huge success, earning hundreds 90 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: of millions of dollars at the box office and telling 91 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: a powerful, domestic, violent story to audiences who didn't necessarily 92 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: go to the movies expecting to be dealing with such 93 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: big themes. But the legal dispute opens a window into 94 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: how reputation is now, perhaps more than ever, being manipulated. 95 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,119 Speaker 1: The really explosive part of the lawsuit is a series 96 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: of text messages Lively says she obtained by subpoena they 97 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: pre brought to show. Baldoni's publicist, Jennifer Abel in August 98 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, messaging PR consultant Melissa Nathan that her client, 99 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni, wanted the PR professionals to destroy Lively's reputation. 100 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: Abel allegedly texted. 101 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 3: He wants to feel like she can be buried. 102 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: Nathan allegedly texted Abel back, we can't rate. 103 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 5: We will destroy her. Ima Jennifer documents saying all the 104 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 5: things that he once ends up in the wrong hands. 105 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 5: You know, we can bury anyone, but I can't rate 106 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 5: that to him coming up? 107 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for women in the 108 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: public eye and for the way we consume social media. 109 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: I sat down with Ellie Dudley and The Front's producer 110 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: Kristin Amiot to dig into what this all means. 111 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: So let's talk. 112 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: About the way you absorbed the social media coverage of 113 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: the press tool for It ends with Us? Was that 114 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: how you first became aware that this movie even existed. 115 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 3: When I first saw it, it was because I saw 116 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: something about Blake Lively and the rest of the women 117 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: in the cast not following justin on social media, and 118 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: then also them not posing for photos with him on 119 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: the press tour, them doing entirely separate junkets. That sort 120 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,119 Speaker 3: of stuff started pointing some big arrows towards something isn't 121 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: happy here. What is going on? 122 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: It really is the epitome of the guilty pleasure, isn't 123 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: it spending time watching reels or scrolling through content in 124 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: your feed that you know is being served up to 125 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: you because you've already told the algorithm that you like it. 126 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: My version of this is Meghan Markle content. So TikTok 127 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: and Instagram have deduced that I really like Kate Middleton 128 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: and I think she's very classy, and I really think 129 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: Meghan Markle is trouble. 130 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: And so I am constantly. 131 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: Served videos of Megan Markle being weird or being horrible, 132 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: being rude to people, even though I know it is 133 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: not organic content. It's not just being served up to 134 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: me because most people agree with me. I can't help 135 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: myself kind of indulging in watching these videos. 136 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: And there's a bit of a trend on TikTok. I 137 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: don't know. 138 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 4: If you ever go to the comment section of those 139 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 4: videos that you're served, it can be about anything. It 140 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 4: could be Meghan Markle, it could be people cleaning carpets, 141 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 4: whatever it is people are in the comments, and they 142 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 4: will often you'll often see the same phrase over and 143 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 4: over again, which is I built this algorithm brick by brick, 144 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 4: So there is this self awareness of people recognizing that 145 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 4: they are being served the exact content that they want 146 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 4: to can assume at that moment in time, and it 147 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: might be ten carpet cleaning videos in a row, but 148 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 4: they understand I am the person who has created this. 149 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 4: It is just serving me what I've asked for and 150 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 4: what I've already engaged with. 151 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: In May, a podcast investigation by Alexi Mostris of Tortoise 152 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: Media exposed a stunning social media assault against the actress 153 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: Amber Herd. A defamation suit brought against her by her 154 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: ex husband, actor Johnny Depp in twenty twenty two whipped 155 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: up a social media frenzy in which more than fifteen 156 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: million posts targeting Herd and calling her a liar were 157 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: published on x. Depp ultimately won the suit and was 158 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: awarded almost sixteen million Australian dollars in damages. What Mostres 159 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: uncovered in the Hugeolled Amber podcast wasn't a dedicated fan base, 160 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: but a sophisticated campaign perpetrated in large part by the 161 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabian disinf amation network known as the Ministry of Flies, 162 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: the country's crown Prince, Muhammed bin Sulman. It turns out 163 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: is a big fan of Depths, and the actor appears 164 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: to have reciprocated Saudi Arabia's help in the form of 165 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: positive publicity, including praise of Saudi Arabia's cultural revolution. 166 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 3: There is something about these cultural moments. So when you're 167 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 3: engaging with that and seeing what people think, you're telling 168 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: your algorithm, please feed me more of these videos. I 169 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 3: love them. Show me what you've got. 170 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 4: And the enjoyment, to a certain extent, comes from the 171 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: stakes being so low for any of us. You are 172 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 4: observing this exchange, this cultural exchange that's going on. 173 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: It's interesting because one of the things that social media 174 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: is doing is critiquing the mainstream media, is saying, question 175 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: everything and be a skeptic. And yet, because of the 176 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: extremely addictive and delicious nature of particularly video content on 177 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: social media, we don't apply that same skepticism and caution 178 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: to what we're being served on social right. 179 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: And if social media is holding the mainstream media to account, 180 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: who's holding social media to account? Which I think is 181 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: where we end up. I think there's something really interesting 182 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: because young people today are becoming increasingly more literate when 183 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 3: it comes to what they're consuming online. They're able to 184 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 3: pick something that is an AI generated video, or they're 185 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: able to see a tabloid headline that just seems a 186 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: little bit off kilch, how something's not quite right. But 187 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 3: what happens when there is an entire force at play 188 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: pushing at social media algorithm to change the way that 189 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 3: the public thinks. How can an individual possibly push up 190 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 3: against that? 191 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 4: There's also a possibility that this actually proves her argument 192 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 4: in that if indeed Justin Baldoni and the people he 193 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 4: employed can orchestrate a campaign so devastating that it can 194 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 4: dismantle the reputation of somebody. 195 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: Like Blake, live with the standing that she has. 196 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 4: In Hollywood was to say, it can't also work in 197 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 4: his favor and actually build up his brand in the 198 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 4: same process. And in fact, that branding exercise, purely from 199 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 4: a marketing perspective, has been going on for several years 200 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 4: before he came to this film. He did a ted 201 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 4: talk about sort of vulnerability and masculinity that went viral 202 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 4: I think in around twenty seventeen. He then parlayed that 203 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 4: into two books a podcast about male vulnerability toxic masculinity, 204 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 4: discussing these things in a really open end. It appeared 205 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 4: to be an intellectual way. So there is a marketing 206 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 4: exercise that's been going on long before this that while 207 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 4: it can allegedly do damage, it can also build the 208 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 4: foundations of something that's powerful in a different way. 209 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: I mean, does it basically boil down to the idea 210 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: that society, men and women, and particularly now in this 211 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: age of social media, doesn't like a woman who stands 212 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: up for herself and says, I don't like the way 213 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: you're behaving. 214 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 3: I'm boss here. This is my call? Is that it? 215 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: I think it's more than that. I think that if 216 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: we believe everything that Lively has put in her legal complaint, 217 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: then I think that we can believe that these men 218 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: decided to shut down a woman that was trying to 219 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: make a workplace safer. I then think that they succeeded 220 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 3: in doing that. They spread a narrative, and they choreographed 221 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 3: a campaign trying to damage her reputation. That worked. And 222 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 3: I think that women and other people on the internet 223 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 3: bought into that because they like to shut down a 224 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 3: woman that's standing up for herself, and also because it's easy, 225 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 3: and also because they loved the drama of it. 226 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: I mean, she seems to have it all, doesn't she 227 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: She's stunningly beautiful, very stylish, extremely rich and very successful. 228 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: You know what's not to hate. 229 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: And broadly liked as well. Right. She built this entire 230 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: brand around being a nice lady. She's got her fun, 231 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 3: playful relationship with her husband and Ryan Reynolds, and they've 232 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: built this brand about being really, really likable. They flew 233 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: too close to the likable sun, if you will, and 234 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 3: got burnt. And so the Internet is really happy to 235 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 3: pile on to somebody because you know that they're doing 236 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 3: too well, or they're too successful, or they're too beautiful 237 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: or whatever it is. 238 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: Ellie Dudley is The Australian's Legal affairs correspondent. Over summer, 239 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: we'll be right here on the front with the headlines 240 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: you need and some deep dives into Australia's best journalism, 241 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: whether you're listening on the beach or on a road 242 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: trip or just escaping from the relatives while pretending to 243 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: walk the dog. 244 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 3: From all of 245 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: Us here at the Front and The Australian, have a 246 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: merry Christmas, a happy Haneker, a brilliant new Year, and 247 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: a beautiful time with your favorite people.