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Speaker 1: We've got the minister on the line time. Kot santonis

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Speaker 1: the Transport Minister. He addressed some of this with me

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Speaker 1: off there earlier this morning, changing the laws regarding or

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Speaker 1: the regulations regarding barring orders on public transport. Minister.

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Speaker 2: Good morning morning, Matthew. It's an intolerable situation that the

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Speaker 2: Transport Department can't ban people from using public transport or behavior.

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Speaker 2: We leave that to police. I don't think that's acceptable anymore,

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Speaker 2: given what's happened today. It's not a criticism of police,

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Speaker 2: so they they have made their own decisions, and I

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Speaker 2: trust Grant Stevens. But what I'm going to do now

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Speaker 2: is I'm going to ask the Department to draft regulations

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Speaker 2: to give us the ability to ban people from more

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Speaker 2: forms of public transport if display antisocial behavior or we

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Speaker 2: them to be a risk to other patrons or passengers.

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Speaker 2: So we'll do that and this gentleman will be banned

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Speaker 2: pending his trial.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you can if the regulations come into force, well,

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Speaker 1: at the stroke of a pend is a regulation, isn't it,

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Speaker 1: So you'll be able to extend that ban. The Department

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Speaker 1: will immediately once once it's in.

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Speaker 2: Place, as soon as the regulations are in place, this

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Speaker 2: general will be banded pending his trial. If you sound

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Speaker 2: guilty at trial, will be banned for a period to

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Speaker 2: be determined by the role commissioner.

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Speaker 1: Who checks that? I mean, realistically, who checks that somebody

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Speaker 1: who's been banned on public transport?

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Speaker 2: Is the tough part? Is the tough part. What will

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Speaker 2: put penalties in place for people who do breach their

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Speaker 2: band So you're playing with you're planning with fiks if

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Speaker 2: you hear court what with bail? Who checks it? To

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Speaker 2: breach of bar conditions? Right? If you check your bar conditions,

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Speaker 2: how can we know that this person's catch a train again? Well,

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Speaker 2: he catch them and you put penalties in place that

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Speaker 2: sort of multiply and compound. So you you know, the

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Speaker 2: old saying is you shoot one, educate a thousand.

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Speaker 1: All right, but you know we know courts can issue

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Speaker 1: driving license suspensions and people still drive.

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Speaker 2: That's right, That's right, and that's why the pen is

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Speaker 2: in compound.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do we need a review of police bail laws?

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Speaker 1: Do you think particularly in situations like this where police

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Speaker 1: I'm told and I don't understand why, But if that's

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Speaker 1: the law, that's the law. Police had no choice but

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Speaker 1: to bail him. Surely someone like this you'd keep them

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Speaker 1: in constody overnight till they face caught today.

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Speaker 2: If I know South Australian Police and I know Grant Stephens,

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Speaker 2: if we're up to Grant, he was throwing the book

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Speaker 2: at this person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's not the bloke on the desk, is he?

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Speaker 2: No? And police follow the letter of the law and

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Speaker 2: all they can do is follow the laws that we

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Speaker 2: make in Parliament. I'm not going to discuss whether or

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Speaker 2: not put police bar should be reformer. I'll leave that

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Speaker 2: to the police minister. That's his jurisdiction, not mine. But

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Speaker 2: I trust police. I think police do an excellent job

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Speaker 2: here in South Australia. But I think what this is,

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Speaker 2: in my mind magnified that there is a gap here.

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Speaker 2: And the gap is that the people who actually run

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Speaker 2: the public transport system should the ability to ban people

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Speaker 2: who display antisocial behavior or risk other patrons. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's something that this is highlighted for me that

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Speaker 2: needs to be done and I'll get on with an asap.

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Speaker 1: All right. Should we have guards on public transport, particularly trains,

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Speaker 1: and guards who can intervene, not not guards who stand

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Speaker 1: there going, oh, stop that. Guards who can get involved

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Speaker 1: in a situation like this and step in and try

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Speaker 2: Yes, but more importantly, a lot of us don't realize this.

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Speaker 2: Every piece of public transport has close circuit TV monitoring

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Speaker 2: on it. And the reason this person was caught and

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Speaker 2: caught so quickly is because the assault was seen, reported

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Speaker 2: and acted on immediately. Now, how do we prevent an assault?

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Speaker 2: You would have to have so many guards on frames

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Speaker 2: that would make it impractical. But what we do is

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Speaker 2: we try and use a risk based approach where we say, look,

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Speaker 2: you commit a crime on a train, you assault a driver,

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Speaker 2: it's an aggravated offense. You're being filmed the moment you

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Speaker 2: get onto a bus, train or tram, you're being filmed,

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Speaker 2: all right, And if you've used a metro card or

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people just don't realize the

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Speaker 2: system that are designed to react and react quickly. And

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Speaker 2: despite this idiot's rampage on our public transport system, it

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Speaker 2: was caught immediately, So if you do, I think you

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Speaker 2: or bus. You'll be filmed, police have access to it,

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Speaker 2: they'll find you and you'll get charged.

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Speaker 1: It's the CCTV live monitor. Is that what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: that was seen as it was unfolding and police were waiting.

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Speaker 2: I don't have the details. My understanding is is that

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Speaker 2: the assault was reported immediately, CCTV was a factor and

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Speaker 1: Okay, so from here on, so ok, these laws will

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Speaker 1: change and we banned future people. Then with your regulation,

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Speaker 1: So police have arrested somebody who's acted similarly, Let's say

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Speaker 1: in a situation in the future, the barring order will

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Speaker 1: point on.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, well, it will be on a case

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Speaker 2: by case basis. If someone's in a regional setting, obviously no.

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Speaker 2: But if there's someone who's behaved poorly on public transport,

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Speaker 2: I think the BAND should apply an all three all

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Speaker 2: three levels of public transport.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to do at the very least,

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Speaker 2: Least, I mean, look, I don't know. I don't have

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Speaker 2: the details of what police did. Because of the nature

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Speaker 2: of the legislation. What I do know, though, is that

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Speaker 2: I think any reasonable person would think that the public

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Speaker 2: transport system should have the ability to ban people, because

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Speaker 2: our job is no on need to move patients, but

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Speaker 2: to protect them as well.

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Speaker 1: So Helen asked me a question just a little while ago,

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Speaker 1: a question she wants to put to you. She says,

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Speaker 1: the government's only feigning interest in all of this in

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Speaker 1: protecting people because we're spending so much on events like

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Speaker 1: gather around and live golf that we don't have money

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Speaker 1: for mental health facilities for people like this, for public

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Speaker 1: safety on public transport. You talk the talk, you don't

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Speaker 1: walk the walk, essentially, is what she was saying.

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Speaker 2: I'd say to Helen, the amount of money we're putting

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Speaker 2: into to gather around and sporting events and are dropping

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Speaker 2: opening up an extra five hundred and fifty beds, the

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Speaker 2: equivalent of building new hospitals. We're hiring more doctors, we're

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Speaker 2: it came into office. We're spending an enormous amount of

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Speaker 2: be compared. Gather around and these sporting events are about

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you just while I've got you

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Speaker 1: been in Italy, Danny Lee and talking to them about

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Speaker 1: they're an ARC worlder maker and that's something that Sanzevgupta

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Speaker 1: wants for Whyala delays apparently in getting that it's blown

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Speaker 1: out another two years. What's the future of the wireless

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Speaker 1: in the air.

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Speaker 2: Well. What I've learned from Danielle is that electric artphone

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Speaker 2: is in DRR plant can be built and be built quickly.

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Speaker 2: This is now a matter for mister Gupta. There is

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Speaker 2: no delay at their end, there's no delay at our end.

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Speaker 2: These are decisions mister guftter to make. There's over one

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars of government assistance. They're ready for him

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Speaker 2: to invest in an electric art for the slash dri

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Speaker 2: We are have to get on with it. In terms

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Speaker 2: of the future, The still plant at Wyala is the

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Speaker 2: last structural still long manufacturing products facility in Australia. That

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Speaker 2: important for our sovereign capability. We cannot be a country

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Speaker 2: vitally important that continues. Waler is strategic for our long

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Speaker 2: term interest and it's important for our plans of decarbonization

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Speaker 2: and our prosperity plan of re energizing the South Australian economy.

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Speaker 2: So Whaler is the tip of the spear when it

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Speaker 2: comes to our economic plans. We're got mister Good to

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Speaker 2: get on with it. Enough of their reveals, head down,

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Speaker 2: bump up now, and that's for all of us. It's us,

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Speaker 2: It's Danielli and that's mister Gupta. That's the message I

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Speaker 2: gave him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but there's got to be a date where all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, if nothing's happened, it's kind of unviable,

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Speaker 2: Well No, I mean the civil words is viable. That

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Speaker 2: the mind there is very very profitable. The operations in

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Speaker 2: Australia are mister gut most profitable. In fact, you can compare,

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Speaker 2: and they've a golden goose. And I keep on laying golden.

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Speaker 2: His other operations Parliament to insignificance compared to the operations

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Speaker 2: in Australia, and mister Gupta should realize that, and I

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Speaker 2: think he does, and I think the Australian public, especially

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Speaker 2: the regional South Australia, want him and us to get

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Speaker 2: on with it and upgrade the steel works to motric

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Speaker 2: advantage of our natural endowment of magnetite so we can

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Speaker 2: start exporting green iron to the world.

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Speaker 1: All right, Tom Kutz and Tatus, thanks for your time.

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