WEBVTT - #2097 To Know Thyself... - Bobby Cappuccio 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:02.120 I get eight champs. 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:05.480 It's Bobby, it's young Bobby and craiggo here at me, 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:08.000 Central typ Central, just doing. 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:11.159 What we do. It's what is it? It's I don't know. 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:13.040 I tell everybody you probably don't give a fuck, but 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:14.840 just in case you do. It's Thursday. 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.280 As I record this, it's twelve eight on the twenty 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.320 month of the month, twenty ninth of the month known 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.639 as January. It is the twenty eighth right now where 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.600 Robert is and it's twenty one degrees in Melbourne, which 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:29.479 is way better than the forty sixth we had the 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:29.920 other day. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:31.920 Hi mate, how are you? 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:32.800 Eh? 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:37.560 How's it going? Happy to hear you have a more favorable, favorable, favorable, 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:39.640 favorable weather pattern. Yeah. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:41.519 What is favorable exactly? 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:46.200 Is that like femoral or ephemeral or theorial weather. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.720 The weather pattern is so much more favorable than it 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:53.519 has been. You're excited about it. You have great feavor 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:55.120 toward the weather pattern. 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.680 Wow. Wow, jot that down, everybody. There'll be a test 0:00:58.720 --> 0:00:59.160 at the end. 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.360 What are you up to on your Wednesday night over 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.720 there in the bloody us of A Because, by the way, 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:09.440 from the outside looking in, it seems that not much 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.120 is going on over there. It seems pretty quiet, business 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:18.919 as usual no here, Yeah, yeah, nothing peaceful, everything's great. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:21.920 Yeah yeah, no, it seems that way, so good luck 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.320 with that. Do you try to keep your head down? 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.000 Do you keep your head up ever alert? 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.319 Or do you? How do you? Because there is a 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:30.880 lot going on. 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.920 Of course we're being facetious and we'll get to our 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.360 topic at hand in a moment, but how do you 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.200 mentally and emotionally somebody who gets a bit anxious from 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.720 time to time, as you've shared on the show, and 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.360 who has a propensity to overthink, how do you navigate 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:46.360 that personally? 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.640 Well? I do keep my head down mostly when I'm crying, 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:58.880 but other than that, I try to focus on what 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.920 needs to be done today and for who and why. 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.560 And I'm not saying I'm always effective at that, especially 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:10.360 now where social media. It's like Jesus, I haven't checked 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.440 social media in a few hours, like is there still 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.600 a world out there outside of my building, outside of 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:20.360 my office? And I find myself going back into doom 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.280 scrolling quite a bit, to be fair, So I don't 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.160 know if I'm really handling it well. But what does 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.680 help me is if I have a meeting or I'm 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.359 working on a project now that I feel quite serious about, 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.480 and to focus single mindedly on that and try to 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.560 lose myself. That gets me out of my head. That 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.119 eliminates distractions for a bit. You know, if if I'm 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:45.960 looking directly in one direction, what of the way can 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.720 you look in one direction? Indirectly looking in one direction? 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.360 But anyway, if I'm if I'm focused on one direction, 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.720 it kind of blinds me from all the other things 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.520 of my periphery that will grab my attention in a 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.480 non constructive way, so to speak. 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:04.600 It feels like potentially the dumbest advice and the most 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:08.919 common and dumbest advice simultaneously in the history of human 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.360 behavior and psychology and sociology is when we tell worried 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:16.240 people not to worry, which is as useful as telling 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.320 a tall person not to be tall. As I've said 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:23.079 before on this show, because everyone's worried, including me at 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.880 some stage about something. I'm going through some stuff with 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.040 my mum and dad, which is for them right now 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.880 pretty uncomfortable and disconcerting. It's just to change. They're eighty 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.840 six blah blah blah, and I realize sitting with them, 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:40.560 loving them, listening to them, trying to understand them even 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:44.080 when they're their anxiety or fear or apprehension is a 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.840 nine out of ten about something that I think warrants 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:50.680 is zero. I know that me going hey there isn't 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.440 actually a problem. The problem is you're thinking. I know 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.320 that that doesn't help, and I know that although the 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:00.400 story might be bullshit, the experience that they're having is 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:01.120 very real. 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:07.040 Right, So how do you like when you're fearful or 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.360 you're worried, or you start to elevate? 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.520 Do you have a particular strategy? Because I think this 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.040 is everyone listening. Everyone listening goes well there. I want 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.559 to know the answer to this, because fuck, I worry 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.760 about fucking everything or a lot of things, and it 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.120 doesn't matter how much I worry, It doesn't change the outcome. 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:27.599 And I know that intellectually but nonetheless emotionally, this is 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:28.799 my response. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.800 If I can. Because your environment has a lot to 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.080 do with this, I find it helps to move to 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:40.960 change my environment, get from one place to a completely 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:46.599 different place. Walk start Like if you are someone who 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.520 is out and about between meetings your workday, you're running 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.920 an errand, like, get that movement in I mean movement, 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:57.400 it's really effective. You know, eat, you're on nature eoretic 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.480 pabtize or release from the heart when you move, and 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:06.159 that mitigates stress hormone levels on the body. It decreases quarters, 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:11.719 all levels. Very effective if you're somewhere where you can 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.119 run an errand and just park a little bit further 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.960 from that. I mean, it sounds so cheesy, but it's 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:21.440 not changing your body, changing your physiology. Moving you know, 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:28.000 rather briskly with a sense of purpose helps me enormously. 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.120 That's so true, dude, And I know you're right, it does. 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:35.600 It sounds cheesy, it sounds cliche, it sounds repetitive, but nonetheless, 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.480 many people I'm not talking about necessarily our listeners. I'm 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.960 sure a percentage from time to time, but just don't 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.920 do that thing like I remember. At the end of 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.960 twenty twenty three, the University of South Australia came out 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.640 with the results which were splashed all over the media 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:58.640 for about eight minutes of a study comparing medication for depression. 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:00.640 To exercise. 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.960 So one one group of people dealing with depression suffering 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.120 from depression. However, we want to word it, frame it. 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:08.640 They did a ten week I think it was ten week. 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:10.360 You can look it up everybody. It might have the 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:14.560 numbers wrong, but ten week intervention of exercise and versus 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:20.719 no exercise, plus you know, the normal kind of pharmaceutical approach. 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.200 And obviously know what I'm going to tell you. The 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:29.240 people who took no medication but exercise consistently, consistently and 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:30.320 appropriately for. 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:31.240 Them where they were. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.040 You know, it wasn't all everyone doing the same program, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.040 but they're doing the right program for them. It outperformed 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.240 the medication by one hundred and fifty plus percent, right, 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.520 And we go, oh, that's fucking amazing. And then nobody 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.159 takes it up. Everyone just goes, yeah, look at that. 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:49.039 Yeah. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.640 I finally I wonder, I wonder why. I wonder why 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.200 that is. And what we're not saying is if you 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:59.480 are on prescribe medication, like just start exercising and start 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.159 taking you prescribe mads. We are not saying that, And 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:06.240 we're not saying if you're in therapy exercises a substitute. 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.400 What we are saying is it's definitely something that you 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:13.760 can do in conjunction to quite an afficacious effect. 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:18.000 We have a lady who's been on the show a 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:23.280 bunch so did. Her name is doctor Ingrid and she's 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:28.320 a psychiatrist at Royal Adelaide Hospital and most or as 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.480 many of her appointments as she can do walking, she does. 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.520 So people come to her office at the hospital. Obvious 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.360 she doesn't walk all day, but she does quite a 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.800 lot of them, and she's like, put on your jacket 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.760 or put on your whatever we need what cever weather appropriate, 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.080 and off they go. They walk forty five minutes or 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.360 whatever the time they get back and she said to me, 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.840 I get much better outcomes. People are more open, people 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.800 are more responsive, people are more you know, it's like 0:07:55.960 --> 0:08:00.800 just sitting in a spot thinking about your shit isn't 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.160 as effective or often isn't as effective as you know, 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.160 even doing the same thing. 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:10.080 But you know, while being mobile, while being you know, 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:15.520 walking along what's that river in perse Sorry it's so 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:16.200 stupid of. 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:20.680 Me right now, but anyway, actually, yeah, the you know, 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.960 amongst the trees and the grass, and you know, it's 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:24.000 like much better outcomes. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.720 So yeah, I agree with you. 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:30.320 Sorry I interrupted, You're going to say something swamp just 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.120 thank you swan river, thank you go. 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.000 That's not what I was going to say. But what 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.320 I was going to say is I wonder, way, I 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:45.760 wonder why people don't get into a consistent habit of movement. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:47.160 I wonder what gets in the way. 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:53.000 Actually, do you think that people have a story, Like now, 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:54.400 I'm not an exercise person. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.560 Yeah, and you know it's like we all have stories 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.600 around our identity, what we are or what we're not, 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.600 and obviously that profoundly shapes our behaviors. Yes, but I'm 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:08.240 not even talking about exercise. For me, it's like what 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.800 is the lowest hanging fruit, Like, what is the easiest 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:16.040 place to start where it's almost ridiculous not to do 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.719 it and start there, because if you get into the 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:24.320 habit of consistent movement, that will do an enormous amount 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.880 of good to support you getting into a habit of 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.880 consistent exercise. If that's where you're even looking to go, 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.679 but just start somewhere, start moving, because the thing is 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.440 what movement? You'll feel better once you start doing it. 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.000 It's not like, oh, well, I've been exercising for four 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.080 weeks and I still haven't achieved the body of my dream. 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.400 You'll start feeling better the week you're moving. It's just 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.440 a matter of a lot of times. Our environment is 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:53.360 so structure to prevent movement. Like right now, for example, 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:58.240 we're sitting down, but we're virtual, we're behind the screen. 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:02.080 Tomorrow night I have a webinar, I'm gonna be sitting down. 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.920 Normally I would be standing up and moving around the 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.880 room dynamically, but I'm sitting down. Then, think about people 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:12.480 who work remotely. They have one meeting after the next, 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.360 like they didn't have time to go to the loo. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.480 They're sitting there and nappies like guzzling water. It's like, 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:23.080 that's that's not That's not an environment conducive to movement, 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.680 is it? So our whole environment used to be structure 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:31.520 on the necessity to move. Oh my goodness. So today 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:33.960 I was coming back from the gym early this morning 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.800 and they were already working on the lift, Like, oh, sorry, 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.200 you know, lifts are down. It's like, you know what. 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.559 I live on the sixth floor. Each story has two 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.480 flights of stairs between it. That's twelve flights of stairs. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.360 He was like, I'm gonna get my ass up the stairs. 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:51.760 I was like, why don't I do this more often? 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.800 A hundred you should fuck that elevator off. 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:58.440 Out of your life, Like I understood why I used 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.000 to live on the thirtieth floor. They get, but I 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.559 live on the sixth floor. That's twelve flights of stairs. 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.240 I mean, and look if that seems like a lot, 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:09.880 like take take the lift up to the fifth floor 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.559 and just like walk up to the six Just constantly 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:20.520 expand your capitalization on the opportunities that you have to move. Yeah, 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.720 when I live in cities, man, have you move a lot? 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:26.480 Because there's no other choice. 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:28.200 I think. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:31.560 Also, you know when people are like I'm not an 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:33.880 excise person, or I don't like the gym, or well, one, 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.080 you don't need to go to a gym. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.960 And also you don't need to be an excise person. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.080 You just need to be a person who has a 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.559 body and bodies like to be moved. 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.800 Bodies need to be moved, Bodies need mobility, bodies need 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:47.520 their heart rate to go up and down a bit. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.640 You know, bodies need to be put under under a 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:56.600 level of stress an intelligent, strategic, and consistent way. Because 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.120 there's not one person. 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.160 That goes I'm not an excise person that if you said, 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.720 would you like to be a bit fitter stronger, healthier. 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.600 I would say, no, I wouldn't like that. Like if 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.120 everyone was being honest. 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:09.880 Of course, everyone go, yeah, I'd like to be a 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.200 bit fitter, healthier, stronger. Whatever that looks like, well cool, 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.200 there's an easy way to do it. And you do 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.319 this for ten minutes a day, or five minutes a 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.440 day or five minutes three times a day, or you know, 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.720 you don't have to start running marathons. You might start 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.000 just like you were talking about walking six flights or 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.640 twelve flights or however many fucking flights. 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.320 But yeah, it just seems that there's. 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:38.840 I don't know, I have some unpopular theories about why, 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.760 which I won't mention, but I will kind of. 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.319 I just think that we are. 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.679 Physically anyway, not as resilient as we once were, because 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:56.080 for most of our human experience as a species, we 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:00.120 haven't had elevators, we haven't had escalators, we haven't had 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:05.800 paved roads and footpaths and automobiles and motorbikes, and you. 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.320 Know, for most of human existence we had none of that. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:10.400 And we're just so. 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:18.920 Extracted from just normal physical expenditure, energy expenditure, and movement, 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:23.320 and yeah, that we that we like you said, we 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:24.480 spend our lives sitting down. 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:28.800 Hey, have you ever wondered do you reckon? Do you reckon? 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.880 If we did an IQ test standing up versus sitting down, 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.120 Let's say all the other variables were the same, Right, 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.960 it's not like we've been sitting for eight hours. But 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.360 let's just say we got up, we did our normal day, 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.360 and then it. You know, person A at ten o'clock 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.040 did a stand up test? Person be at ten o'clock 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.440 did a sit down test. Do you think there's any difference? 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:52.840 I don't know. I mean I think IQ is one 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.880 of those things that was like it's fairly fixed throughout 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:59.080 your lifetime. But how you would perform on that test, 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.440 I would imagine I make a bit of a difference. Yeah, 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.160 I mean I know when you sit me there, and 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.360 this is one of the frustrating things. It's like everything 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.960 in the work environment, like you go to do anything 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.160 and it's like, all right, so sit down here. It's 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.000 like I do not think well when I'm seated at all. 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:17.840 That is interesting. 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.520 Yeah, if I stand up and I start moving, even 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.840 when I had and you know, I don't recommend like 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.120 somebody's at a standing desk all day long like that 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:30.800 can be problematic. But when I was able to go 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.440 from sitting to standing, or a lot of times I 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.960 would work on a high table. So when a lot 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.920 of my job dependent on writing and you got to 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.640 write like eight articles a month, which you know it 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.800 is not easy, I would just work at a standing 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:50.000 desk and just stand and then pace around, gather my 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.480 thoughts and come back and write down what I just 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.720 came up with and go pace again. I was like, 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:56.840 we get so much more done than if I was 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.400 just sitting down like writing, because the thought would be 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.880 so much more fluid. So I performed better when I'm moving. 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:11.720 Yeah, sometimes when I do a gig, I like sitting 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.760 on stage because I like sitting down with the group. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:21.040 Or often i'll do something in a boardroom like I'm 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.240 sure you've done, Like I've literally done gigs. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:25.600 I've done it. 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.560 I've done a whole afternoon with three directors of a 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:34.160 company in a room, like my audience was three people, 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.480 and I've done four thousand in an outdoor event. Right, 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.560 it's just crazy. But the obviously the experience is very different. 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:46.280 But even with a group of people in a room, 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.520 we're sitting in a boardroom at a big table, and 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.160 it might be it's only been three once, but generally 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.120 it's like ten or twelve people. Like it's a very 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:58.640 small group. But I can't sit there forever like I 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.560 need to. I don't know, I feel like my brain 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:05.040 works a bit better like you when I move, like 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:09.240 if i've and my probably my addiction in their space 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.600 is you know, whiteboards, because I love to just to 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:14.600 I'm going to talk about idea and I'm just going 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.280 to write that word on the board. Then I'm going 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:17.680 to riff on that. Then I'm going to draw a 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:19.560 line coming from that word, and I'm going to write 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.120 another word right then I'm going to build this little 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.960 kind of you know, intersection and interface of words. It 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.280 all kind of focus around this middle word here and 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.160 then like for me, it's with the It gives them 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:34.720 something to look at other. 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:35.680 Than me for a moment. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.080 And when I'm I don't know, when I'm writing on 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:45.040 a white board and there's that I like it sounds silly, 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:49.560 but I like writing like I write. I like writing 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.440 well on a board like it's for me it's creativity. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.280 And when I do that, it's like another bit of 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.040 my brain gets accessed as well. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.720 So my brain works through association. I'm not like a 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.520 linear thinker, although I've trained myself to be a little 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.560 bit more over the years, but I'm the same way. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.080 If I write a word on a board that's relevant 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:12.159 to something, that just sparks my creativity instantly, I know 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.879 what to say. I don't write now. I look like 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.240 I'm like a chemist writing on a board basically, but. 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell people what linear thinking is. 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:28.320 I don't have like a structured outline and thinking in 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:32.240 numerical order like okay, this precedes this, and then the 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.720 next step would be I mean, you know, I use 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.879 acronyms a lot, which structures and directs my thinking, but 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.359 I think the association same thing. If you give me 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.720 a word, it's like, oh, okay, well what connects to 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.120 this word? Relevant to you know, what we're all doing here. 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.800 I have a little chat sheet which I really use, 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.600 but it's one piece of a full paper and it's 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.080 got I would say about eighty words on it, and 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.760 the word could be which is so some of them 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.640 are two words could be subjective reality, or it could 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:12.520 be success, or it could be metacognition, or it could 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:17.160 be anxiety or whatever. But there's all of these words 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.679 on this one page, and all of them are highlighted 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.480 in about five colors, so the words all stand out, 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.920 they don't really get lost, And each one of those 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:32.080 words I can confidently talk about for twenty minutes, so 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.879 I know I have give or take eighty times twenty 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:38.960 sixteen hundred words or sixteen hundred minutes before I reach 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:42.159 for anything else, and even then I probably have more 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:46.920 than that. But it's like my brain likes that, where, Oh, Craig, 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.200 could you just talk to us about that? Yes, sure, 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:54.000 let's do that. Like somebody asked me, Yeah, somebody asked 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.320 me recently how long does it take to form a habit? 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.320 And like, that's just an interesting question to un pack 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.960 and there are so many variables, and I'm like, that's 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:04.800 a great question. I want to talk about that. And 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.840 then we just spoke and the audience asked other questions 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:09.720 around that, and it's like we did a twenty minute 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:14.439 riff on just this one conversation starter to which there 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:18.960 is no absolute answer, but nonetheless, it's a really interesting 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:23.040 idea to lean into, you know, and that I think 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.760 people you know you and I work like that I 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.639 think a lot of I feel like we're doing the 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:31.480 thing I said not to do. But that's all right, 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:37.200 remember back to our But communication wise, I guess just 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:42.600 how people build connection and rapport with whether or not 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.800 it's one person at work or one hundred people in 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:46.200 a room. 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:48.880 I think. 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:55.480 When it comes to performance in any area of your life, 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:59.720 when it comes to family, friends, when it comes to 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:04.119 you know, given a presentation at work, sales call, or 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:08.080 sitting down with your boss, I think there there's there's 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.680 kind of contradictory dynamics. And we told we got into 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:17.080 this a few weeks ago, a few episodes ago. I 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.760 was having a conversation with you know, you know this guy, 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:25.800 you know, Chuck Wolf right, Yeah, his wife at. 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:27.520 The time, it's quite well known. 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:33.280 Yeah yeah, I mean he's known in fitness and biomechanics circles, 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:37.639 not generally. So we were on tour in Australia. This 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:41.040 was great and Taylor came down to present with us 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.640 later that day. So we had a hotel in Melbourne. 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.080 And I love listening to Chuck because he's just captivating 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.440 and brilliant. But I had heard the same thing like 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.480 five times in the course of a week. So I 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:57.840 was just chatting to Lauren in the back of the room, 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:01.119 and she's a very successful stage perform and I had 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.879 asked her, I know I've brought this up before, what 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:12.359 is the difference between someone who is just peerless in 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:16.680 their space in terms of a performer, someone who's merely good? 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.520 And she said, well, let's take a look at what 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:23.280 it's not. She said, it's not talent, because if you're 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:27.240 doing shows, you're at that level. Everybody's talented, and it's 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:31.320 not hard work. All of these people are working brutally hard. 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:36.280 It's a psychological dynamic. And she said that the people 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:43.240 who are legendary are the people who have this enormous 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:49.159 ego and this broad and deep, beautiful sense of humility 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:53.359 in the same persona. And I think that's important is 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.600 having characteristics that balance each other out. I remember that 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:01.480 you had said something interesting about God. You walk on 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:06.800 whatever stage that is. Your stage could be six o'clock 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:09.560 in the morning, your kids all running amock, trying to 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:12.560 get ready for school, and you're trying to organize twenty 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.120 six different things because you not only have to sort 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:16.600 the family out, but you've got a lot of things 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:22.560 you need to get done. That's a stage. And if 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:26.000 you don't have something, because life is really hard and 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.680 it seems like it's getting more and more complicated and 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:33.520 harder and harder, if you don't have this intrinsic compass 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.000