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Speaker 3: There. I'm Andrew Bucklow, and it is shaping up to

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Speaker 3: be another huge day on news dot com dot au.

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Speaker 3: So much going on. It's tip to the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 3: soon as it's handed down. We've also got a story

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Speaker 3: online for you right now about radio star Kyle Sandalans

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Speaker 3: hitting back at some rather nasty rumors. Two weeks ago,

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Speaker 4: no surprise to anyone who really listens to the show, promptly,

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Speaker 4: get to. And I've made it quite clear to journalists

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Speaker 4: end on this show that it's more dangerous to go

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Speaker 4: to keep monitoring it.

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Speaker 3: And from showbiz to sport. Our team is right across

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Speaker 3: this tennis controversy regarding Yannick Sinner, the world number one

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Speaker 3: who's accepted a three month ban from the game. Is

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Speaker 3: what our sports editor Joey had to say in our

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Speaker 3: editorial meeting a few minutes ago.

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Speaker 5: We'll do a reaction on about Cinner and ol the

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Speaker 5: course and prestrictive Australia over title.

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Speaker 1: We'll reach out to Tennis Australia.

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Speaker 3: The response, Yeah, this story is absolutely wild, so many

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Speaker 3: twists and turns, so we thought, you know what, We're

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Speaker 3: going to take an in depth look at it in

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Speaker 3: this episode and find out if Sinner could actually lose

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Speaker 3: his Australian Open trophy. Tyson Otto is one of news

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Speaker 3: dot com dot U sports reporters. He's based out in Melbourne.

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Speaker 3: He joins me now to discuss this massive tennis controversy. Tyson,

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Speaker 3: thanks for jumping on the phone mate.

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Speaker 1: It is a delicious controversy my pleasure. Mate.

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Speaker 3: Let's go back to the beginning of this delicious controversy.

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Speaker 3: So Yanick Sinner tested positive for a banned substance in

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Speaker 3: early twenty twenty four, but the world didn't hear about

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Speaker 3: it until much later. Please explain.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's all cloak and daggers right from the start.

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Speaker 6: So he tests positive in March, he finds out when

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Speaker 6: the test is returned in April, and the International Tennis

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Speaker 6: Doping Body then also finds out and begins its own investigation.

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Speaker 6: And then it finds all behind the scenes that Yannik

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Speaker 6: they all believe his argument that it was a rogue

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Speaker 3: Yes, so for what I understand, the itia said that

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Speaker 3: he was inadvertently contaminated with this banned substance. So his

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Speaker 3: coach is an ossie named Darren Kale. When this story

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Speaker 3: broke in August that Sinner had tested positive for these drugs,

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Speaker 3: Darren Kale went on TV and tried to explain exactly

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Speaker 5: Have listen back in March at Indian Wells and Jackimonaldi,

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Speaker 5: who is the physiotherapist of Yanick, put his hand into

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Speaker 5: his medical bag. He cut his finger on a scalpel

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Speaker 5: and he is the physical trainer of Yanick, and Yanick

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Speaker 5: then what happened after that was between am Berdo Ferrara

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Speaker 5: And over the course of the next week, Jocimo continued

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Speaker 3: That was Darren Kale there. So this story breaks in August,

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Speaker 3: it is massive headlines all around the world that Yannick

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, first it was shocked because it all played

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Speaker 1: So Nick Curious obviously led the calls.

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Speaker 6: He's yeah, really become the poster boy for fighting, Yannick Sennas.

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Speaker 6: So at the time, I think his best term was

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Speaker 1: Ask him, everyone in the locker room agrees with him.

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Speaker 2: People are trying to sweep under the rug and there's

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Speaker 2: disgusting for our sport. It's it's it's a horrible look

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Speaker 2: and yeah, the tennis integrity right now and everyone knows it,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Nick Curios certainly not a happy man at all.

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Speaker 3: To make matters worse, I guess Sinner went on to

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Speaker 1: So that's when WIDER gets involved.

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Speaker 6: So WIDER is obviously the global antidoping body and it

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Speaker 6: like that. Wier's case always came down to negligence, and

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Speaker 6: the argument meant that Sinner right from the start is

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Speaker 6: responsible for what gets into his body like every other athlete.

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Speaker 6: You're still responsible for that substance.

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Speaker 3: So while to lodge and appeal with the Court of

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Speaker 3: So we fast forward to January. Yannick Sinner comes down

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Speaker 3: Under for the Australian Open. He's got this hanging over

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Speaker 3: his head. Here's what he had to say to journalists

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Speaker 7: I'm I don't think I have to answer answer this,

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Speaker 7: to be honest, how do I block It's It's not

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Speaker 7: that you just put it in a part and you

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Speaker 7: I block it. No, I don't. I haven't done anything wrong.

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Speaker 7: That's why I'm still here and that's why I'm still playing.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to funds on what Nick said or

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Speaker 3: And you know what, you'd have to say that Jannisinner

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Speaker 1: For six three seven things six three could stop of it?

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Speaker 3: Well, this story took another massive twist over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: More on that in just a moment. I'm chatting to

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Speaker 3: Tyson Otto from News dot com dot A Sports team. Tyson,

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Speaker 3: there was a bombshell over the weekend in relation to

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Speaker 3: Sinner's case. What happened?

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Speaker 6: Well, the case was supposed to be heading to trial

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Speaker 6: have been negotiating and trying to work out a settlement,

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Speaker 6: which for black and white doping body where there's no gray,

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Speaker 1: You're either a doper or you're not.

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Speaker 6: The concept of them negotiating a settlement is completely bonkers.

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Speaker 6: So no one saw this announcement coming that Wider had

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Speaker 6: agreed to a three month ban for a doping offense

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Speaker 6: that would normally be a standard two years, and Janick

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Speaker 6: Sinner admits partial responsibility for the substance getting into his system.

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Speaker 6: Despite all that, everyone shakes hands and says three month ban.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's happy except the tennis fans.

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Speaker 3: What's the reaction been to this. It's pretty massive news.

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Speaker 6: The most emotion that I can see in tennis circles

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Speaker 6: Yannik's getting away with a three month ban and remains

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Speaker 6: the world number one, doesn't forfeit any tournaments, doesn't four

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Speaker 6: he's won the US Open, he's won the Australian Open again,

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Speaker 3: And this timing of the three month ban is interesting

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Speaker 6: Is that right?

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Speaker 6: Yet again another convenient detail in this argus to only

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Speaker 6: ban would have seen him wipe out of Wimbledon and

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Speaker 6: the French Open to settle. It now means he's back

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Speaker 6: what do you know, he's back in time for that.

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Speaker 3: Are there are calls for Sinner to be stripped of

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Speaker 3: his Australian Open title? From what I understand, who's calling

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Speaker 6: Well, first, it's coming from majority from media commentators and

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Speaker 6: So a lot of centers on the fact that right

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Speaker 6: Before we now reach the conclusion in February, there's absolutely

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Speaker 6: no chance whatsoever he'll be stripped. Tennis Australia boss Craig

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Speaker 6: Tiley said right from the start he can't see a

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Speaker 6: Sinner win in any way tarnishing the tournament, and that's

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Speaker 6: exactly what happened. So as long as he's very comfortable,

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Speaker 6: which he is, there is no chance whatsoever that he

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Speaker 6: will be stripped of either of his Australian Open time.

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Speaker 3: What do you think the impact is saga is going

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Speaker 3: to have on Sinner's reputation.

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Speaker 6: Now, as much as I'd like to say, the reputation

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Speaker 6: that's been most tarnished is wider for agreeing to a settlement.

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Speaker 6: Mud sticks as far as athletes go, and he has admitted,

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Speaker 6: black and white, he's admitted to having committed a doping

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Speaker 6: infringement and there's not one crowd around the world that

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Speaker 6: won't let him remember that he's going to play the

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Speaker 6: rest of his career with that hanging over his head.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like tennis fans will not be quick to

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Speaker 3: forget sinner's sins. Tyson Otto, thanks.

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Speaker 1: So much for chatting, Pleasure Mane.

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Speaker 3: Well, if there are any more twists and turns in

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