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Speaker 3: Good Evening. Welcome to the show tonight. Victory for Tim
Speaker 3: Wilson after teals Zoe Daniels celebrated a win in Goldstein
Speaker 3: far too early. We'll bring you the latest on the
Speaker 3: nail biteing count in Minnie Ryan's seed of Couyong and
Speaker 3: Adam Bank's seat of Melbourne. Exciting news tonight with Ray Hadley.
Speaker 3: He's got a big announcement to make on the show.
Speaker 3: We might just be dragging him out of retirement, so
Speaker 3: don't miss that. He'll be on the desk live to
Speaker 3: celebrate his new move and commiserate the election result. And
Speaker 3: nine chair Catherine West is ducking for cover over what
Speaker 3: the board knew about a seven hundred thousand dollars hush
Speaker 3: money payment to silence a witness. That's in a moment
Speaker 3: also tonight, should the ABC have told authorities about where
Speaker 3: a wanted criminal was hiding when they interviewed him in Turkey?
Speaker 3: And Donald Trump signs one of the most important executive
Speaker 3: orders of his presidency. Perhaps it's one I played a
Speaker 3: small role in influencing, certainly been campaigning for it. That's
Speaker 3: later in the show. But First nine is tonight under
Speaker 3: pressure over revelations the media company paid seven hundred thousand
Speaker 3: dollars in hush money to stop a witness making damning
Speaker 3: allegations that their network had access to the private emails
Speaker 3: of war hero Ben Roberts Smith. Nine chair Katherine Westwards
Speaker 3: ducking for cover today when asked what the board knew
Speaker 3: about this secret payment to cover up a scandal.
Speaker 4: This is the chairwoman of nine Entertainment this morning, Catherine
Speaker 4: west Camera shy and silent, Catherine, did you sign off
Speaker 4: on hush money payments? Did you sign off on those payments?
Speaker 4: Stand by Nick McKenzie's reporting. Did you sign off on
Speaker 4: the seven hundred thousand hush money payments?
Speaker 3: Catherine?
Speaker 4: Why are you avoiding us? Has nine made other payments
Speaker 4: to keep people quiet?
Speaker 3: In this case, Nine isn't speaking publicly and he's trying
Speaker 3: to shut down this story with legal threats. But I
Speaker 3: can tonight reveal that a top newspaper executive was in
Speaker 3: the inner circle involved in the secret seven hundred thousand
Speaker 3: dollars hush money payment to stop a witness speaking out
Speaker 3: about alleged misbehavior by reporter Nick McKenzie. Nine paid the
Speaker 3: money and asked a woman to sign an NDA to
Speaker 3: stop her from speaking. There was also a highly damaging
Speaker 3: audio when McKenzie admitted to having access to part of
Speaker 3: Ben Roberts Smith's legal strategy and where he said he'd
Speaker 3: breached his own ethics. Now we understand that a senior
Speaker 3: figure at the Nine newspapers knew of the payment at
Speaker 3: the time it occurred. With knowledge of such payments say
Speaker 3: it would have required approval from either the chief executive
Speaker 3: or NINES board. The payment, which is under an agreement
Speaker 3: with a confidentiality clause, was made shortly before the Victoria
Speaker 3: Cross recipient's appeal against Nine started, and it prevented the
Speaker 3: damning allegations from being raised in public and potentially forming
Speaker 3: part of the appeal. Robert Smith's lawyers today told me
Speaker 3: they that had they known about the audio recording and
Speaker 3: the payment, it would have certainly been included in that appeal.
Speaker 3: Black Bay Lawyers set in a statement until the audio
Speaker 3: recording was received on fifteenth of March twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: neither the appellent nor his legal team had any knowledge
Speaker 3: of Person seventeen's allegations of misconduct, namely that Nick mackenzie
Speaker 3: had had access to the appellants privileged and confidential legal
Speaker 3: strategy during the trial. Had the appellan been aware of
Speaker 3: Person seventeen's allegations in twenty twenty three, as it seems
Speaker 3: to nine was the allegations would have formed part of
Speaker 3: the substantive two week appeal heard before the Full Court
Speaker 3: in February last year. They said, this is a matter
Speaker 3: which goes to the heart of our justice system and
Speaker 3: the right of all individuals in this country to a
Speaker 3: fair trial. So that's Ben Robertsmith's lawyers, and that's a
Speaker 3: key point. This is a matter which goes to the
Speaker 3: heart of our justice system and the right of all
Speaker 3: individuals to a fair trial. Now, the woman who'd had
Speaker 3: an affair with Robert Smith emailed Tory Maguire, who was
Speaker 3: then executive of The Herald and the Age, and nine's
Speaker 3: lawyer Lorena Alec in March twenty twenty three, writing, I
Speaker 3: also know these women were passing on cidential and privileged
Speaker 3: information to Nick as far back as mid to late
Speaker 3: twenty twenty What are you going to do when all
Speaker 3: of that comes out to the judge? What are you
Speaker 3: going to do when all of that comes out to
Speaker 3: the judge and She also claimed in that email there'd
Speaker 3: been a behind the scenes corrupting of the process. She said,
Speaker 3: if you have to lie in cheat to win, then
Speaker 3: you shouldn't be playing the game at all. So, just
Speaker 3: to repeat there, the claim is that Nine paid off
Speaker 3: a witness to stop damning allegations emerging, including that Nine
Speaker 3: had gained access to part of Ben Robertsmith's privileged legal
Speaker 3: strategy from his own emails. The witness as a claim
Speaker 3: that mackenzie had treated her in such a way that
Speaker 3: caused her mental distress. There are questions about what action
Speaker 3: nine took to investigate the journalistic, ethical, and legal conduct
Speaker 3: of its team, because in the secret recording McKenzie described
Speaker 3: this as a breach of his own ethics.
Speaker 5: No, I shouldn't tell you I've just breached my ethics
Speaker 5: and doing that like this is where like this is
Speaker 5: probably sheep position there if they knew.
Speaker 3: That I paid, he knew that. I asked nine questions
Speaker 3: about whether they conducted their own investigation into the allegations
Speaker 3: raised by Person seventeen that led to this seven hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars payment, And I asked them also who authorized
Speaker 3: this payment, who signed off on it? But nine has
Speaker 3: refused to answer questions, and its chair Katherine West ran
Speaker 3: away from the cameras today when she was confronted about
Speaker 3: this scandal.
Speaker 4: This is the chairwoman of nine Entertainment this morning, Katherine West,
Speaker 4: camera shy and silent, Catherine, did you sign off on
Speaker 4: hush money payments? Did you sign off on those payments?
Speaker 4: Do you stand by Nick mackenzie's reporting? Did you sign
Speaker 4: off on the seven hundred thousand hush money payments?
Speaker 3: Catherine?
Speaker 4: Why are you avoiding us? Has Nine made other payments
Speaker 4: to keep people quiet in this case?
Speaker 3: Well, the evidence is mounting that nine had access to
Speaker 3: Robert Smith's privileged legal strategy from his emails. This evidence
Speaker 3: now includes Telster records that show Danielle Scott that's Ben,
Speaker 3: Robert Smith's ex wife's Emma's close friend, Telster records that
Speaker 3: show Danielle Scott accessed his email account one hundred and
Speaker 3: one times, an admission from Emma Roberts that his email
Speaker 3: account was accessed in relation to their marriage proceedings. It
Speaker 3: has also emerged that nine had access to emails about
Speaker 3: person seventeen. Robert Smith says one email from his lawyer
Speaker 3: was flagged and already read when he opened his account.
Speaker 3: Daniel Scott tipped off Nick McKenzie in a text message
Speaker 3: the Ben Robert Smith's lawyer and Monica Allen, was about
Speaker 3: to write to the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions about
Speaker 3: one of his tweets, and she said to him in
Speaker 3: another message that it was better to be on the
Speaker 3: front foot and know what they were planning, and that
Speaker 3: he owed her to beers. There's also the audio recording
Speaker 3: where mackenzie says that he had been briefed on Robert
Speaker 3: Smith's legal strategy or part of it. Here's that specific
Speaker 3: admission that was caught on tape.
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Speaker 7: Definitely, they came actively.
Speaker 5: Briefing us on his leadership to you respected you writ
Speaker 5: with his piece, and yet we're not learning about We
Speaker 5: anticipated most of it.
Speaker 8: One or two things.
Speaker 3: Now we know every which is helpful.
Speaker 5: But at the point there Rene told you that is
Speaker 5: to say, like, you know, we've got this and and
Speaker 5: they're not hostile to ye, despite your worst fears, they're not.
Speaker 3: Veteran Heston Russell, who won his own case against the ABC,
Speaker 3: told me last night he was appalled by the tactics
Speaker 3: used against Ben Robert Smith, and how.
Speaker 9: These journalists being allowed to conduct these actions in order
Speaker 9: to throw Australia's most decorated soldier under the bus and
Speaker 9: try and scrubb all the rest of it under the table.
Speaker 9: So I think the Nine board has a lot to
Speaker 9: answer to the Australian public. My personal experience of what
Speaker 9: I'm seeing now with Ben goes to show that there
Speaker 9: are elements of the Australian media who are happy to
Speaker 9: throw the rule book of ethics out the window when
Speaker 9: it comes to trying to pursue Australia's most decorated people
Speaker 9: who went to war and fought for this country and
Speaker 9: fought for these rights that were meant to be defending
Speaker 9: in our courts.
Speaker 3: So now the pressure is mounting on nine to explain
Speaker 3: why it paid hush money and asked a witness to
Speaker 3: sign an NDA in what Robert Smith claims impacted on
Speaker 3: his right to a fair hearing. Now, last night a
Speaker 3: former Biki gang member working for the ABC flew to
Speaker 3: Turkey to interview the man police claim was behind the
Speaker 3: caravan terra plot. Now, this is the man who on
Speaker 3: social media made highly anti Semitic comments. He's hiding from
Speaker 3: Australian authorities. He fled the country, but then he agreed
Speaker 3: to meet an ABC journalist who doesn't appear to have
Speaker 3: told police about his location. Now, this journalist, Mummled Fuzzle,
Speaker 3: is a former outlaw BIKI gang member turned reporter. He's
Speaker 3: been the subject of an expose by journalist Kate McClymont
Speaker 3: who alleged that he'd passed on menacing messages from an
Speaker 3: organized crime gang to journalists. And he now works at
Speaker 3: the ABC. And he sat down with the man who
Speaker 3: is called sayeta Aka, who admitted to telling authorities about
Speaker 3: the caravan with explosives, and he said in the interview
Speaker 3: that there were detonators inside the caravan originally, but he
Speaker 3: had them removed.
Speaker 8: He does admit he took charge of the caravan's movements
Speaker 8: and he decided where to leave it.
Speaker 7: I actually picked a juryl and I just told the
Speaker 7: driver that I had intercepted to do the seizure off
Speaker 7: to just put it in a safe spot that we
Speaker 7: selected off that map. My clear instruction was to make
Speaker 7: sure this is not going to explode. So he says
Speaker 7: he instructed the driver to remove the detonators from.
Speaker 8: The van.
Speaker 3: Sayet Akka also admitted to hiring a man to damp
Speaker 3: to dump the caravan of explosives. You just heard some
Speaker 3: of that there, but claimed he only intercepted the caravan
Speaker 3: to prevent a crime from taking place. Here's that part.
Speaker 7: I didn't organize the caravan. I just organized the seizure
Speaker 7: of it. There's so many ways this could go wrong.
Speaker 7: What if the wrong agency found it and it had
Speaker 7: the deadonators read to go, I'd have a terrorism judge
Speaker 7: when I was actually just trying to get this stuff
Speaker 7: off the street to be able to go back home.
Speaker 3: But he denied having anything to do with the anti
Speaker 3: Semitism crisis across Sydney. Police alleged he was behind all
Speaker 3: of those attacks that plagued the Jewish community, including the
Speaker 3: fire bombing of a childcare center, the vandalism on Alex
Speaker 3: Rifchin's former home, and also the attempt at arson of
Speaker 3: the Newtown Synagogue. But Aka claims this is all untrue.
Speaker 3: Now you'll recall that when police came out and said
Speaker 3: this caravan plot was fake, was a hoax, and they
Speaker 3: effectively downplayed the whole anti Semitism crisis. Or after that,
Speaker 3: I looked into the story, and I reported that there
Speaker 3: was a political push from the Albanese government behind this.
Speaker 3: The Albanese government pressured police to publicly state that the
Speaker 3: caravan plot was not a terror related incident. This was
Speaker 3: despite the risk of jeopardizing the investigation, which was ongoing
Speaker 3: with suspects still under surveillance and arrests yet to be made.
Speaker 3: Multiple sources involved in the joint counter terror investigation told
Speaker 3: me there was a push from the Albanese government to
Speaker 3: get the caravan HOAPX narrative into the public domain before
Speaker 3: the federal election, so that messaging was highly political. Well
Speaker 3: say it aka. Last night in this four corner story,
Speaker 3: he showed messages text messages that he said were from
Speaker 3: his handler at the aff where they also blamed politics
Speaker 3: for that press conference.
Speaker 10: The AFP's working with local and overseas law enforcement officials
Speaker 10: in our bid to have all of those responsible brought
Speaker 10: to justice.
Speaker 8: Sa Akah was feeling the heat, but says his AFP
Speaker 8: handlers were reassuring him, it's been a.
Speaker 10: Rough couple of days. There's a few things going at
Speaker 10: the moment that we need to work through on our end.
Speaker 10: Your safety has been our priority from the start. What
Speaker 10: has happened in the media is out of our control.
Speaker 10: As you would appreciate, this is very political.
Speaker 8: Trying to listen to the circus, give us a couple
Speaker 8: of days to let the dust settle.
Speaker 3: Very political, and the political strategy worked. The Albernezi government
Speaker 3: was able to shut down any claims that there was
Speaker 3: a genuine antisemitism crisis here in Australia right before the
Speaker 3: federal election campaign. But the question now is do you
Speaker 3: believe this criminal that he had nothing to do with
Speaker 3: the antisemitic attacks and only intercepted the caravan of explosives,
Speaker 3: or do you believe the AFP that he is ultimately
Speaker 3: the asked mind behind the summer of antisemitism. Well, unless
Speaker 3: police are able to catch him and present more evidence,
Speaker 3: perhaps will never know. And of course it seems that
Speaker 3: they that had they been assisted in the effort by
Speaker 3: their AFP, they might have been able to catch him.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't appear that the ABC assisted in telling
Speaker 3: authorities where in the world say it AKA was. They
Speaker 3: found the criminal, they interviewed him, they gave police nothing.
Speaker 3: It seems this is quite the ethical dilemma one would
Speaker 3: have thought. Now among the A list celebrities at the
Speaker 3: met Gala in New York today was one familiar face
Speaker 3: to Australians. Billionaire Anthony Pratt. The Cardboard King, paid homage
Speaker 3: to the company his father started Visy wearing a very
Speaker 3: on brand, very green suit and if you look closely,
Speaker 3: it says one hundred percent recycled printed on it. He
Speaker 3: also had a top hat and cain as he walked
Speaker 3: the blue carpet to the fashion event of the year.
Speaker 3: The theme was tailored for you. Now, it wasn't Anthony
Speaker 3: Pratt's first Met Gala, of course, here he was last
Speaker 3: year making a similar fashion statement. Now it's been a
Speaker 3: busy few months for Anthony Pratt, who recently pledged seven
Speaker 3: point eight Australian billion dollars into America's manufacturing sector in
Speaker 3: his bid to help America make America greater again. And
Speaker 3: it's no wonder Donald Trump called him a personal friend
Speaker 3: just a few days ago.
Speaker 11: Executive Global Chairman of Pratt Industries. Friend of mine, Anthony Pratt.
Speaker 11: He's investing five billion dollars.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Anthony, and Anthony just a few
Speaker 3: months ago, joined Trump and Millennia at Mara Lago. But
Speaker 3: his outfit on that occasion wasn't quite as colorful. All right,
Speaker 3: let's bring in tonight's panel, former Speaker of the House
Speaker 3: Broman Bishop and former Labor minister Graham Richardson. Welcome to
Speaker 3: you both. Well, let's start by talking about what's got
Speaker 3: to be some good news, at least since the weekend,
Speaker 3: that the tide is turning against the Teals, with Zoe
Speaker 3: Daniel losing her seat of Goldstein to Liberals Tim Wilson,
Speaker 3: and this after she already declared victory on Saturday night.
Speaker 3: She's not quite titanium, is she. Maybe she's going to
Speaker 3: settle for silver medal instead. Now. Minnick Ryding Ku Young
Speaker 3: is also struggling to hold onto her lead against Emilia Hamer,
Speaker 3: who looks like she may just pick up the traditional
Speaker 3: blue ribbon street And of course Adam Bant is also
Speaker 3: fighting to hold onto his seat in Melbourne. The Labor
Speaker 3: candidate is ahead. These counts are still ongoing. They're taking
Speaker 3: their time at the AEC, so hopefully we'll have an
Speaker 3: outcome on some of these seats tomorrow. They need to
Speaker 3: get some more vote counter as that, so this would
Speaker 3: be if there is a loss of at least one
Speaker 3: TiAl seat we know of this would be a silver
Speaker 3: lining at least.
Speaker 12: Yeah, there's every possibility that we can maintain Bradfield, that
Speaker 12: Kuyong may flip. The question is what happens to the
Speaker 12: absent votes, which usually favor the left of politics, whereas
Speaker 12: the postal votes favor the Liberal party. And there are
Speaker 12: always many more postal votes and there are absent te votes,
Speaker 12: But it's how far you are ahead by the time
Speaker 12: the absentee's come in to see which way it will go.
Speaker 12: But I'm very hopeful that the so called teal representation
Speaker 12: will be halved.
Speaker 3: At least some of them.
Speaker 13: And to see Adam Bradam, to see him go would
Speaker 13: be justice.
Speaker 12: I only ever got there because of liberal preferences, and
Speaker 12: to take liberal preferences away and see him lose would
Speaker 12: be justice.
Speaker 3: Indeed, well, I think this is something that liberal should
Speaker 3: do in all elections, perhaps absolutely green. Last, now, Richo,
Speaker 3: what do you think do you think we are going
Speaker 3: to see Adam Bant lose his seat and what do
Speaker 3: you think is behind this rejection of the Greens?
Speaker 1: Well, first off, there'll be many a dry eye if
Speaker 1: he does lose his seat.
Speaker 14: I don't think there there'll be too many people weeping
Speaker 14: at that loss, and I certainly won't be. When you
Speaker 14: look at why what's happened with the Greens. They basically
Speaker 14: get ten percent of the vote every election. It might
Speaker 14: have got one percent or down, but it never varies
Speaker 14: much and so once they get to a seat like Melbourne,
Speaker 14: that's not giving themselves much cover.
Speaker 1: And you know, so if the swing's on, they're going
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 14: And obviously with Sarah why she's done particularly well. I
Speaker 14: can't see how she'll get pigged back or a postal
Speaker 14: votes or anything else.
Speaker 3: Well I heard that she barely even campaigned and she
Speaker 3: wasn't given any resources or funding by the Labor Party.
Speaker 3: You know, it was just an underresourced campaign. I mean
Speaker 3: you imagine if they actually would have put proper funding
Speaker 3: into that. Now, Brodman, we're seeing Liberal donors, including billionaire
Speaker 3: Robert Milner also stockbroker Angersaitkin, refuse to keep donating to
Speaker 3: the Liberal Party unless they see change. This is a
Speaker 3: story in the Australian newspaper today by Matt Kranston. Now
Speaker 3: this isn't surprising Brunwin who would want to throw them?
Speaker 3: They're hard earned millions of dollars at a party that's
Speaker 3: in utter disarray.
Speaker 12: Well, they're both sensible people and they certainly don't want
Speaker 12: to see the Liberal Party disappear.
Speaker 13: They want to see it function properly. And I watched
Speaker 13: the language that was used.
Speaker 12: It was quite nuanced language, I thought, and I certainly look,
Speaker 12: I can simply say we've been here before, and well
Speaker 12: we've had resurgence.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was in that that might be quite
Speaker 3: useful advice for you to Champron.
Speaker 12: At the time, I was in the Houston campaign and
Speaker 12: it felt like this last one. It really did, and
Speaker 12: Houston was meant to win that election, of course, keating
Speaker 12: on it with a big vote, eighty seven seats out
Speaker 12: of a smaller parliament, big vote, and it to me
Speaker 12: raises the question are very large majorities are blessing or
Speaker 12: a curse? Because if you look at the way, and
Speaker 12: I did, I just did a little little chart. If
Speaker 12: you look at the way big majority suddenly get dashed,
Speaker 12: you've got a much more difficult backbench handle, You've got
Speaker 12: much more difficult issues to handle, and.
Speaker 13: The voters seemed to turn against them.
Speaker 12: So when Paul Ketty won with eighty seats, John Howard
Speaker 12: next time got ninety four seats, but his then majority
Speaker 12: went down to eighty because of the GST. He got
Speaker 12: lucky for the next two elections because we had the Tampa,
Speaker 12: and believe me, we were on the nose in two
Speaker 12: thousand and won and then the Tampa happened and we
Speaker 12: got lucky again with Mark Latham in two thousand and four.
Speaker 12: But in two thousand and seven incomes rud with eighty
Speaker 12: three seats, and then he loses and goes out as
Speaker 12: the two and so it goes.
Speaker 13: It does move around, so don't ever write it off.
Speaker 12: And we've got a million people who are willing to
Speaker 12: have their say on what went wrong and what was
Speaker 12: all terrible.
Speaker 13: It was terrible. It didn't have a proper narrative.
Speaker 12: It didn't spend the whole time talking about what we
Speaker 12: would do to bring down the cost of living. When
Speaker 12: it came to the petrol halving of the tax on petrol,
Speaker 12: that was right because this was an ingredient, but it
Speaker 12: had to be spelt out how it would work and others,
Speaker 12: and then talk about what was in the wings, what's
Speaker 12: coming next if you re elect these people.
Speaker 13: None of that was done.
Speaker 3: But ruhman, I've got to get to richro So just
Speaker 3: a quick answer here, But we are looking at six
Speaker 3: years at least of labor. I mean, if they have
Speaker 3: ninety seats now, you can't win that and could pick
Speaker 3: up forty or so seats in three years time.
Speaker 12: Paul Keaton would have said that in ninety three he
Speaker 12: would have thought he had two terms.
Speaker 13: He didn't.
Speaker 12: And when John Hard was re elected in two thousand
Speaker 12: and four with that great big majority, he thought he
Speaker 12: was going to be there for another couple of terms too.
Speaker 12: He wasn't so predicting politics from when you cop it,
Speaker 12: and we did cop it. We cop they hiding and deservedly.
Speaker 12: So I have to say, but that doesn't mean to
Speaker 12: say that what the Liberal Party believes in and stands for,
Speaker 12: and we need in this country a solid opposition. And
Speaker 12: so it's a question of getting behind them, not saying, oh,
Speaker 12: I'm going to stand back and just cry out and
Speaker 12: say it's all too hard. And people who are committed
Speaker 12: to a course and want to see something. And Graham,
Speaker 12: you've been there, like you've got to get back.
Speaker 10: In and.
Speaker 3: You know, what are your reflections on what Bromwin just said.
Speaker 1: I agree with much of what you just said. Look,
Speaker 1: it's going to be the case.
Speaker 14: I think that you know, people are going to write
Speaker 14: terrible things about Peter Dutton and how he was a failure.
Speaker 14: But the failure is not just Peter Dutton. I mean
Speaker 14: there's a whole party here who went along with policy
Speaker 14: prescriptions at the MOB we're never going to wear. I
Speaker 14: think you know, you Broman have been around long enough.
Speaker 14: She knows what policies you can sell and what you can't.
Speaker 14: There's a limit to all of it. And I think
Speaker 14: she's as well qualified as anyone I know to listen them,
Speaker 14: and so you can bet that's what she was doing.
Speaker 14: But you know, Hubre's sometimes over Texas m And what
Speaker 14: do you.
Speaker 3: Think, Richard, do you think we are looking at six
Speaker 3: years of labor? Nine years of labor?
Speaker 14: Now, I don't think anyone can ever predict nine years.
Speaker 14: I think that's that's going way over the top. But
Speaker 14: it would be given this lead, very hard to pick
Speaker 14: it back in one election. So it is a reasonable
Speaker 14: thing to say that Labour's got two in the bag
Speaker 14: for this. It's not as certainly, nothing is but in politics.
Speaker 14: But I'd have to say it's going to take a
Speaker 14: hell of an effort to beat Albo next time.
Speaker 3: And what about Albanize's cabinet, Richard, do you think he's
Speaker 3: gonna do a big reshuffle here? Who are you hearing
Speaker 3: that he's going to demote?
Speaker 14: Well, I don't think that he's out to change too much,
Speaker 14: So it's not a matter of looking at who he
Speaker 14: wants to denote. I think he'd much prefer to take
Speaker 14: almost all of his ministry back. He doesn't want controversy,
Speaker 14: he doesn't want fights, he doesn't want drama.
Speaker 1: He just wants continued smooth administration. What about delivering that?
Speaker 1: And he wants to keep delivering in that?
Speaker 3: Who do you think who'll be elevated then?
Speaker 14: Well, I'd hate to start nominating too many of them,
Speaker 14: But I think people like ed Husic should certainly be
Speaker 14: big time cabinet ministers up. Their roles should be increased
Speaker 14: because I think that they're very talented people. So I'd
Speaker 14: pick someone like him and say he should be advanced.
Speaker 14: Knowing but that headline labor factions fight over cabinet it
Speaker 14: was ever thus, you know, we always go to war
Speaker 14: over that.
Speaker 1: But it'll settle quickly.
Speaker 14: Anthony's now got so much power, so much respect, that
Speaker 14: he'll basically get whatever he wants.
Speaker 13: He's going to be sensible.
Speaker 12: He knows anyone he sacks becomes an enemy, and when
Speaker 12: you've got a big back bench, you don't want enemies.
Speaker 13: So he'll want to have basically stability and what he's
Speaker 13: got now.
Speaker 3: Brum when just quickly before we go to we've got
Speaker 3: to move on, who do you think should be the
Speaker 3: Liberal leader?
Speaker 13: Now it's not a matter for me.
Speaker 12: I don't get a vote, and believe me, nobody in
Speaker 12: the party room would thank me for expressing a point
Speaker 12: of view because whatever comes out is going to be
Speaker 12: what the Liberal Party has to be behind to get
Speaker 12: in there, to get in there and fight for being
Speaker 12: holding the government two account as we always say.
Speaker 3: You know what, I think your words of wisdom are
Speaker 3: so good that I think you need to become an
Speaker 3: advisor to the Liberal Party, not just you know, then
Speaker 3: picking up what you say on Sky News, but I
Speaker 3: think you need to actually get in there and advise them,
Speaker 3: because they sure as hell needed at the moment. All right,
Speaker 3: from and Bishop Greg Richardson. Great to see you vote,
Speaker 3: Thank you. All right. Well let's return to our top story,
Speaker 3: well not our top story, but this big story that
Speaker 3: there's been a third arrest over the alleged anti Semitic
Speaker 3: attack on the former home of Alex Ripchin. A twenty
Speaker 3: five year old Bailey Coombs from your Mina on the
Speaker 3: Central Coast has been given bail. Police alleged the man
Speaker 3: was not present at the attack, but helped planet This,
Speaker 3: of course, as we've been saying, was part of the
Speaker 3: multitude of attacks over summer. Sky New senior reporter Caroline
Speaker 3: Marcus has been covering this and she joins me now, Caroline,
Speaker 3: can you tell us some more details about this latest arrest.
Speaker 2: Shari Police wooped on twenty five year old's Bailey Coombs
Speaker 2: at a home in your Minor Beach yesterday morning at
Speaker 2: about six thirty am.
Speaker 6: They arrested him and charged.
Speaker 2: Him over his alleged role in this attack on the
Speaker 2: home of Alex Ripchin. They say he helped to mastermind
Speaker 2: the attacks, so he wasn't physically present police say when
Speaker 2: the incident happened, but he helped to plan it.
Speaker 6: Now they've charged him with two offenses.
Speaker 2: The first is participating in a criminal group to contribute
Speaker 2: to criminal activity, and the second is accessory before the
Speaker 2: fact destroying property and company using fire of a value
Speaker 2: of more than five thousand dollars. Now accessory before the
Speaker 2: fact that clearly relates to the fact he policed alleged
Speaker 2: that he wasn't there, but he helped in the planning
Speaker 2: of this. Now our viewers will probably well recall this incident.
Speaker 2: It happened amid a backdrop of a summer of anti
Speaker 2: Semitic attacks, but it was particularly confronting because it appeared
Speaker 2: to be targeted on the home of a Jewish leader.
Speaker 2: Police arrived they'd been called in the middle of the
Speaker 2: night on January seventeen. They arrived to find four vehicles
Speaker 2: alive right two of them had been spray painted with
Speaker 2: anti Semitic graffiti, and two homes had been.
Speaker 6: Splashed with bread paint.
Speaker 2: It was particularly confronting and mister Ripton spoke about it
Speaker 2: at the time.
Speaker 6: Now, as part of his bail conditions, because.
Speaker 2: He was released on conditional bail, mister Coombs's banned from
Speaker 2: traveling to Sydney's eastern suburbs, which are about an hour and.
Speaker 6: A half from where he lives.
Speaker 2: He also can't have any contact with the other two
Speaker 2: men who've been arrested and charged over this incident. They
Speaker 2: are Nicholas Alexander and Leon syphilis and he can't have
Speaker 2: any contact with them. And he also has to maintain
Speaker 2: a curfew of between ten pm and six am. And
Speaker 2: he'll appear in court later this month.
Speaker 3: All right, Carolyn Marcus, thank you so much. Entrific reporting
Speaker 3: as always. Now still to come, Donald Trump signs one
Speaker 3: of his most important executive orders that I've personally been
Speaker 3: arguing for for years. And Ray Hadley is here with
Speaker 3: a big announce this meant time dragging him out of
Speaker 3: his retirement. That exciting news right after this quick break,
Speaker 3: welcome back. As you know, during the election campaign, Ray
Speaker 3: Hadley has joined me here every Tuesday night. Now we've
Speaker 3: got an announcer to make and raise back here. Now,
Speaker 3: it's not good news for your blood pressure, Ray, Your
Speaker 3: blood pressure was doing better every other day of the week.
Speaker 15: But my GP, my GP said that he watches this
Speaker 15: on a Tuesday night, doctor Jeff, and he said, you've
Speaker 15: got to come down a bit.
Speaker 3: You're getting one of it.
Speaker 15: But I've just had a discussion with management and I'm
Speaker 15: going to be back here every Tuesday night to talk
Speaker 15: to you. For one reason. I love what you do.
Speaker 15: I watch you when I'm not here, thank you. And
Speaker 15: even though I'm retired or semi retired, you know, just
Speaker 15: coming here on a Tuesday night and having am with
Speaker 15: you a better whole range of things keeps the mind active.
Speaker 3: You are the absolute best in the business. I'm so
Speaker 3: grateful and honored to have you on the show permanently
Speaker 3: every Tuesday. Thank you so much for being part of
Speaker 3: it from now on. So there you go. Great Hadley
Speaker 3: joining our program as a permanent regular every Tuesday night.
Speaker 3: Wonderful news. I know you're all loving it at all. Right,
Speaker 3: Ray commiserations. Now what a shocking result.
Speaker 15: Well, who would have guessed that, Well, not even the
Speaker 15: opinion polls, not even Labor. I think it caught them
Speaker 15: by surprise. I noticed rich ow on earlier and he
Speaker 15: was saying there was still a way forward for the
Speaker 15: Liberal Party prior to the election, and of course he's
Speaker 15: absolutely delighted with the victory for his beloved Labor Party.
Speaker 13: And his comrades there.
Speaker 15: But look, I've got to congratulate Anthony Albanezi and say
Speaker 15: about the Liberal election and the way they conducted themselves,
Speaker 15: I'm still scratching my head. We talked about it every
Speaker 15: Tuesday night, for five weeks about the missteps, and it
Speaker 15: seemed to be very much ad hoc on the run.
Speaker 15: And I've said before I like Peter Dutton. I think
Speaker 15: he's a really decent feller. Like yeah, but you know,
Speaker 15: I don't think he should shoulder all the responsibly. There
Speaker 15: needs to be a bit of research into what went
Speaker 15: wrong and how it went wrong. You can't go from
Speaker 15: being in such a powerful position before Christmas to getting lapped.
Speaker 15: And it's eighty seven. They're going to creep to forty
Speaker 15: by the little but it may forty one or forty two.
Speaker 15: But I mean if anyone had suggested that prior to
Speaker 15: the election, particularly before they called it, they would have
Speaker 15: had the straight jacket out and put you in a
Speaker 15: straighter said no, they can't get to eighty seven.
Speaker 1: The other mob can't just get the forty or forty one.
Speaker 15: It'll be much closer than that. And well it's not
Speaker 15: the only thing they've got this over warming majority in
Speaker 15: the lower House. They'll need to do a bit of
Speaker 15: bartering and horse trading.
Speaker 3: In the Senate with the Greens or the coali Ish.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I say to you Charlie and Adam Bant, Well
Speaker 15: it's on a knife sedge there for him, and I'd
Speaker 15: be happy to see him out of politics for a
Speaker 15: whole range of reasons. But then you look at who
Speaker 15: may be the leader of the Greens, Sarah Henson Young.
Speaker 8: Maybe bet anything.
Speaker 3: Well, the deputy leader in the Senate is Marine Feruki.
Speaker 3: You know, she's the one who stood next to that
Speaker 3: sign with the Jews getting in the bed.
Speaker 15: Yeah, that would not be good. But anyway, but I
Speaker 15: can't understand the fascination with the Teals. I really can't.
Speaker 15: Nikola Buller made more mistakes than anyone was entitled to
Speaker 15: make in the lead up to what was happening in Bradfield,
Speaker 15: and she's narrowly in front, allthough the claims coming from
Speaker 15: the Liberals that they might grab it through postal votes
Speaker 15: and then Saphey scomps either word. James Brown was a
Speaker 15: reasonable choice, former army officer, and.
Speaker 3: You know, I think he is a good candidate.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I thought he was a very good candidate. Isn't
Speaker 15: any red close? And then you've got Andrew Constance down south.
Speaker 15: He's like last week's pay, He's gone. He's had two
Speaker 15: shots at the Senate, and I think two shots at
Speaker 15: the Lower House and unsuccessful every time.
Speaker 3: He's got to move on. Now clearly people don't want
Speaker 3: him for whatever reason.
Speaker 15: Yeah exactly. I don't know what it is at a
Speaker 15: local down there as well, but I just it's going
Speaker 15: to be different next election. With the restraints put on
Speaker 15: by Labor and Liberal in terms of spending, Clive Palmer
Speaker 15: is no longer a factor. He's going to pack up
Speaker 15: his tent and move on after spending sixty million dollars,
Speaker 15: which was about half of what he spent in twenty
Speaker 15: twenty two. But I just don't understand the electorates persistence
Speaker 15: with the Teals. They say one thing and do another.
Speaker 15: They have no real power in Parliament, but there seems
Speaker 15: to be this fascination and I don't know whether it's
Speaker 15: a young vote or what it is, but they're useless.
Speaker 3: Well this is what I think. I agree with you.
Speaker 3: They're useless and ineffective and no substance. And the whole
Speaker 3: premise that they're elected on integrity is a face. But
Speaker 3: I think what it is is that Australians didn't want
Speaker 3: to vote for the Coalition this time. They didn't want
Speaker 3: to vote for Scott Morrison last time. I mean Labour's
Speaker 3: primary barely grew by one and a half percent in
Speaker 3: this election. You know they've got a landslide result, but
Speaker 3: their primary is still at a pretty low level historically
Speaker 3: thirty four percent. So that Australians didn't want to vote
Speaker 3: for the Liberals, so then they turned to the other parties,
Speaker 3: which are the Teals.
Speaker 15: Well, let me ask you a question in relation to
Speaker 15: the leader of the Liberal Party, because I think, and
Speaker 15: I don't mean to be disrespectful, I think this is
Speaker 15: what it's going.
Speaker 7: To be like.
Speaker 3: You're here as a permanent record.
Speaker 15: Well, I don't think anyone leaps out of me. I
Speaker 15: said in a piece yesterday that Angus Taylor is a
Speaker 15: brilliant mind, a brilliant, brilliant blake, but he has no charisma.
Speaker 15: He's not a warm sort of person. From I said
Speaker 15: yesterday rather boldly that if I was having a Rayman orgy,
Speaker 15: I'd send him out for the grapes because he's pretty boring.
Speaker 15: But I mean, I just don't know who leaps out
Speaker 15: Dan Ten Susan Lee. I mean Andrew Hasty has a disadvantage.
Speaker 15: He's young and he comes from Western Australia, but I'd
Speaker 15: be looking at him. I think they've got to really
Speaker 15: reinvent themselves.
Speaker 3: I think he doesn't have the experience yet. Angus Taylor
Speaker 3: is partly to blame for failing to prosecute the cost
Speaker 3: of living case, also for some of the flawed policy decisions.
Speaker 3: Him and Jane Hume are partly behind the working from
Speaker 3: home policy that backfired. So you know he's but I
Speaker 3: think he's probably the best lower House option. I mean,
Speaker 3: some of the best talent for the Liberals are in
Speaker 3: the Senate. I mean James Patterson, very smart guy. Is
Speaker 3: this in the Senate? Dave Shalma, really smart guy in
Speaker 3: the Senate. And of course traditionally you don't have leaders
Speaker 3: come from the Senate.
Speaker 15: But I think what I think takes the leadership. We'll
Speaker 15: be marking time because to turn what happened on Saturday
Speaker 15: round even, I mean, three years is a long time
Speaker 15: and things happen, and maybe Alberanisi won't be there for
Speaker 15: the next election. Maybe he'll retire and someone will be
Speaker 15: having the bat and past to them. But I think
Speaker 15: it was there will be marking time. I think. I
Speaker 15: don't think what about just enterprise, Well, she's an obvious
Speaker 15: shouldn't that be amazing she's an obvious one. She'd be brilliant.
Speaker 15: She'd be brilliant. But I have it and this is
Speaker 15: my point. I think the next Liberal National Party Prime
Speaker 15: Minister is not in the Lower House at the moment.
Speaker 15: They're not in the lower House, but they are certainly
Speaker 15: in the Senate. But they've got to make their way
Speaker 15: to the lower House to be elevated to that position.
Speaker 3: Just enterprise this.
Speaker 15: Well, she knows. I love her. I really thinks she's
Speaker 15: a great Australian and I really think that we need
Speaker 15: someone to stand up and take us forward, and she'd
Speaker 15: be the person if she could get to the Lower
Speaker 15: House that could do it.
Speaker 3: And you know, people talk about modernizing the Liberal Party
Speaker 3: or having an Indigenous person and a female. I mean,
Speaker 3: that would be our first ever Indigenous prime minister.
Speaker 15: It'd be wonderful. Plus she's as smart as they come.
Speaker 3: I mean, she's can connect with people.
Speaker 15: She's a complete package. And you know, she I think
Speaker 15: is the future. But as I say, well, mark time
Speaker 15: in the meantime to see what happens, and we'll see
Speaker 15: whether all these promises that have been made by the
Speaker 15: Prime Minister are kept as opposed to what happened last
Speaker 15: time he is elected.
Speaker 3: Now, Ray, before you go, I haven't asked you in
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks how your granddaughter's doing.
Speaker 15: Little Lola is battling leukemia. Just three shears. She's the
Speaker 15: bravest little soul I've ever encountered. She had a lumber
Speaker 15: puncture her third or fourth and a bod marrow last Thursday,
Speaker 15: and the results come out either tomorrow or Thursday. And
Speaker 15: she's now got this aminotherapy backpack on, which is revolutionary
Speaker 15: treatment for kids and others with leukemia. And hopefully when
Speaker 15: they do the one in one hundred thousand cell test
Speaker 15: tomorrow or Thursday, the lakemia will have disappeared. It doesn't
Speaker 15: mean it's gone forever. It just means that the treatment
Speaker 15: for the first twenty eight days and fifty six days
Speaker 15: is work. But look, I'm going to do that Gold
Speaker 15: dinner again this year for the Sydney Children's Hospital Foundation,
Speaker 15: and it's going to be a bit different doing it
Speaker 15: this year. I do the auction and the pledges and
Speaker 15: things like that. First, it's really personal this time, it's
Speaker 15: really personal. Eighty six children every month the diagnosed across
Speaker 15: this country with some form of cancer or lakemia every
Speaker 15: month eighty six, and I've had the situation of going
Speaker 15: to John Hunter where my little baby girl is, and
Speaker 15: watching other parents come in in a state of shock
Speaker 15: with a diagnosis. That's a little girl in an adjoining
Speaker 15: room six and watching her grandparents and her mum and
Speaker 15: dad battle with it. And Lowell is just one of
Speaker 15: many little children battling at the moment, and it's a
Speaker 15: battle we hope we can win. And look, the medical research,
Speaker 15: the things we're doing here in Australia are world class,
Speaker 15: and that's on our side. And to all the people
Speaker 15: out there whose children and grandchildren like mine of battling,
Speaker 15: God bless you all them. We hope everything goes well
Speaker 15: for you as it will hopefully for us.
Speaker 3: Ray, when you get those results, please let me note.
Speaker 15: I'll be texting you straight away. I'll text you if
Speaker 15: tex straight away.
Speaker 3: I'm all right. All our love to Lola.
Speaker 15: Thanks Dylan, See you next week, See next week, Chrry,
Speaker 15: thank you.
Speaker 7: Ray.
Speaker 3: All right still to come. Donald Trump signs an executive
Speaker 3: honor we've been campaigning for since twenty twenty one, and
Speaker 3: the tax reform that's desperately needed. I'll speak about this
Speaker 3: with a former assistant Treasury Secretary next, well, as you know,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of discussions about what the Liberals need
Speaker 3: to be doing now, which policies they need to reform,
Speaker 3: what they should keep, and one of the focuses surely
Speaker 3: has to be on economic policy. From an assistant Treasury Secretary,
Speaker 3: David Pearl writes today in The Australian that Darton did
Speaker 3: not present a compelling alternative policy platform. He could have
Speaker 3: called echoing Kevin right in two thousand and seven for
Speaker 3: Labour's reckless spending to stop, but instead he endorsed Labor's
Speaker 3: idea that this was the solution to the problem, and
Speaker 3: David Pearl joins me, now, thanks for your time again.
Speaker 3: So do you think this is I mean, it wasn't
Speaker 3: necessarily the reason why they lost the campaign, but do
Speaker 3: you think this is a big issue that we are
Speaker 3: seeing too much spending, that it is impacting on the economy,
Speaker 3: and the liberal parties not presenting the fiscally conservative position
Speaker 3: that they traditionally would.
Speaker 16: Thanks for having me on, Shari. It's not the only
Speaker 16: reason the campaign and the election was lost. But I
Speaker 16: think when the conservative side of our politics don't on
Speaker 16: tax cutting and tax reform, they plan to their opponents' hands.
Speaker 16: The Labor Party, at least the modern Labor Party, which
Speaker 16: is far to the left of the sensible Labor Party
Speaker 16: we saw twenty years ago, believes in big government, high spending,
Speaker 16: and welfare dependency. They're confident on that ground and they
Speaker 16: feel that they can out maneuver the coalition. Coalition governments
Speaker 16: historically and I think in this election, are on strong
Speaker 16: ground and put Labor in a difficult position when they
Speaker 16: campaign on lower taxes and smaller government.
Speaker 3: Now, you know, what we're seeing so far has been
Speaker 3: a lot of election spending from Labor. I mean one
Speaker 3: of the big policies that I think really secured the
Speaker 3: youth vote for Labor was their pledge to pay twenty
Speaker 3: percent of everyone's HEX debt. I mean, that's an extraordinary
Speaker 3: sixteen billion dollars. You know, that's effectively buying the youth vote.
Speaker 3: But how irresponsible do you think that is from a
Speaker 3: policy from a financial perspective, Well.
Speaker 16: It's actually a reverse robin hood policy. It's taking money
Speaker 16: from people dependent on welfare and tax payers and giving
Speaker 16: it to highly educated, high income people with hex's debts.
Speaker 16: So a Labor government introduced HEX to make higher education
Speaker 16: sustainable and to prevent working Australians from paying university fees
Speaker 16: of affluent Australians. This Albanesi government has done the exact opposite.
Speaker 16: It's a big transfer of wealth from the poor and
Speaker 16: working Australians to affluent Australians.
Speaker 3: Such a smart point and you know, it shows you
Speaker 3: just how effective that policy was because it was one
Speaker 3: of the first things Albanezi mentioned when he had when
Speaker 3: he held his post election press conference, he said this
Speaker 3: was his first order of business. Now, David, talk to
Speaker 3: me about the next IVA Board meeting. We're going to
Speaker 3: see a new composition of the board. How do you
Speaker 3: think this could affect the outcome when it comes to
Speaker 3: interest rate decisions?
Speaker 16: To be honest, Shari, I don't think the new composition
Speaker 16: on the board will make any difference. Monetary policy decisions
Speaker 16: in Australia are made by two people, and in my
Speaker 16: view two people only, Michelle Bullock with advice from her
Speaker 16: Economic Department on the one hand, and Stephen Kennedy, the
Speaker 16: Treasury Secretary on the other hand. That's why we had
Speaker 16: the cameras in the room for the February Board meeting,
Speaker 16: which I might add, cut interest rates before the case
Speaker 16: was made. As you know, Shari, and I think this
Speaker 16: was critical to the election result. Every single time Jim
Speaker 16: Chalmers opened his mouth during the election campaign he could
Speaker 16: say at the end of a sentence about his economic
Speaker 16: management and interest rates are starting to fall. So I
Speaker 16: wouldn't underestimate that the new board is just window dressing.
Speaker 16: We don't have an independent central bank making monetary policy decisions.
Speaker 16: We've got a captiveentral bank. To give you an example,
Speaker 16: the physcal irresponsibility of the Albanizi government is putting Australia
Speaker 16: as public finances at risk. This idea that we have
Speaker 16: a triple A credit rating is fascical.
Speaker 3: It's going to be sorry if that comes off.
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's well, I don't think we have a triple
Speaker 16: A credit rating because that triple A rating, Shari, is
Speaker 16: based on the official budget forecast, which are pure fiction,
Speaker 16: and so an independent central bank governor go on, no,
Speaker 16: I was.
Speaker 3: Just going to say, we're already on notice, of course,
Speaker 3: that we might lose that triple A credit rating because
Speaker 3: of the off budget hidden spending and you know the
Speaker 3: one hundred billion dollars or so in structural built in
Speaker 3: spending that's not temporary. But you're completely right, David Pearl,
Speaker 3: as always so many intelligent points, And I tell you what,
Speaker 3: if there's one story I want to get to the
Speaker 3: bottom of, it's whether that interest rate cut was politicized.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to give up on that, David Pearl.
Speaker 3: Appreciate your time. Now, after the break, Donald Trump assigned
Speaker 3: one of his most important executive orders four years in
Speaker 3: the making. That's next. Well, today, Donald Trump, in an
Speaker 3: executive order, banned US government funding towards any gain of
Speaker 3: function research around the world. Now, gain of function research
Speaker 3: involves giving a virus extra functions that it never had before,
Speaker 3: such as the ability to become airborne, and this could
Speaker 3: make it more infectious or lethal to humans. Now, this
Speaker 3: research was banned under the Obama administration on coronaviruses and
Speaker 3: other deadly viruses, but then it was secretly lifted under
Speaker 3: the first Trump administration. Now I discovered in my investigation
Speaker 3: that gain of function research was happening at the Wuhan
Speaker 3: Institute of Rology and that America had been funding it.
Speaker 3: It was explosive and I pressed Trump about this about
Speaker 3: why the band had been lifted. When I interviewed him,
Speaker 3: why did you allow the gain of function research to continue?
Speaker 11: Well, I think probably people that worked for me looked
Speaker 11: at it, and at one point they might have done that.
Speaker 1: But ultimately what we did was we shut it off.
Speaker 1: We shut the whole thing.
Speaker 11: Off, and we stopped making payments that were approved much
Speaker 11: earlier than our administration.
Speaker 3: Now, gain of function research is so dangerous because it
Speaker 3: can start as we had to experience a global pandemic. Now,
Speaker 3: I revealed that Anthony fauci I argued that the benefits
Speaker 3: of experimenting on contagious viruses was worth the risk of
Speaker 3: a lab accident sparking a pandemic. He knew that a
Speaker 3: pandemic was a possibility from gainer function research, but he
Speaker 3: funded it in Wuhan anyway. And now finally today this
Speaker 3: risky research has been banned, with a White House spokesperson
Speaker 3: telling Fox News that this order will drastically reduce the
Speaker 3: potential for lab related incidents involving gainer function research like
Speaker 3: that conducted on back coronaviruses in China by the EcoHealth
Speaker 3: Alliance and the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Now, the sarte
Speaker 3: of Trump's second term hasn't been perfect by any means,
Speaker 3: but its executive orders like this which make his victory significant,
Speaker 3: and this will be hopefully one of his legacies. All right,
Speaker 3: that's all we've got time for today. I'll be here
Speaker 3: eight o'clock tomorrow. I'll see you then, another big show ahead.
Speaker 3: Let's stay tuned because right now, my good mate Paul
Speaker 3: Murray