WEBVTT - Sharri | 6 May 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:03.239 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:05.559 This is Sharry. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.400 Good Evening. Welcome to the show tonight. Victory for Tim 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.560 Wilson after teals Zoe Daniels celebrated a win in Goldstein 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.800 far too early. We'll bring you the latest on the 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:25.280 nail biteing count in Minnie Ryan's seed of Couyong and 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:29.920 Adam Bank's seat of Melbourne. Exciting news tonight with Ray Hadley. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.560 He's got a big announcement to make on the show. 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.800 We might just be dragging him out of retirement, so 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:39.080 don't miss that. He'll be on the desk live to 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:44.120 celebrate his new move and commiserate the election result. And 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.760 nine chair Catherine West is ducking for cover over what 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.440 the board knew about a seven hundred thousand dollars hush 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.440 money payment to silence a witness. That's in a moment 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:00.280 also tonight, should the ABC have told authorities about where 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:04.680 a wanted criminal was hiding when they interviewed him in Turkey? 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.920 And Donald Trump signs one of the most important executive 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.959 orders of his presidency. Perhaps it's one I played a 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.760 small role in influencing, certainly been campaigning for it. That's 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:21.000 later in the show. But First nine is tonight under 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:25.320 pressure over revelations the media company paid seven hundred thousand 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.680 dollars in hush money to stop a witness making damning 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:32.640 allegations that their network had access to the private emails 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:37.679 of war hero Ben Roberts Smith. Nine chair Katherine Westwards 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.080 ducking for cover today when asked what the board knew 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:45.559 about this secret payment to cover up a scandal. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:51.000 This is the chairwoman of nine Entertainment this morning, Catherine 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:55.280 west Camera shy and silent, Catherine, did you sign off 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.960 on hush money payments? Did you sign off on those payments? 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.760 Stand by Nick McKenzie's reporting. Did you sign off on 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:05.960 the seven hundred thousand hush money payments? 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:06.760 Catherine? 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:10.359 Why are you avoiding us? Has nine made other payments 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:11.720 to keep people quiet? 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:16.880 In this case, Nine isn't speaking publicly and he's trying 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.840 to shut down this story with legal threats. But I 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.200 can tonight reveal that a top newspaper executive was in 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.040 the inner circle involved in the secret seven hundred thousand 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.360 dollars hush money payment to stop a witness speaking out 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:37.160 about alleged misbehavior by reporter Nick McKenzie. Nine paid the 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.200 money and asked a woman to sign an NDA to 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.480 stop her from speaking. There was also a highly damaging 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.800 audio when McKenzie admitted to having access to part of 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:50.160 Ben Roberts Smith's legal strategy and where he said he'd 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.919 breached his own ethics. Now we understand that a senior 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.359 figure at the Nine newspapers knew of the payment at 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:02.200 the time it occurred. With knowledge of such payments say 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:05.760 it would have required approval from either the chief executive 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:11.480 or NINES board. The payment, which is under an agreement 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:15.240 with a confidentiality clause, was made shortly before the Victoria 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:20.840 Cross recipient's appeal against Nine started, and it prevented the 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:25.480 damning allegations from being raised in public and potentially forming 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.440 part of the appeal. Robert Smith's lawyers today told me 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.320 they that had they known about the audio recording and 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:37.640 the payment, it would have certainly been included in that appeal. 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.440 Black Bay Lawyers set in a statement until the audio 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.760 recording was received on fifteenth of March twenty twenty five, 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.720 neither the appellent nor his legal team had any knowledge 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:55.800 of Person seventeen's allegations of misconduct, namely that Nick mackenzie 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.600 had had access to the appellants privileged and confidential legal 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:04.000 strategy during the trial. Had the appellan been aware of 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.960 Person seventeen's allegations in twenty twenty three, as it seems 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:12.000 to nine was the allegations would have formed part of 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:16.080 the substantive two week appeal heard before the Full Court 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.880 in February last year. They said, this is a matter 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.240 which goes to the heart of our justice system and 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.719 the right of all individuals in this country to a 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:31.760 fair trial. So that's Ben Robertsmith's lawyers, and that's a 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.040 key point. This is a matter which goes to the 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.520 heart of our justice system and the right of all 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:43.400 individuals to a fair trial. Now, the woman who'd had 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:48.320 an affair with Robert Smith emailed Tory Maguire, who was 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.920 then executive of The Herald and the Age, and nine's 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:57.599 lawyer Lorena Alec in March twenty twenty three, writing, I 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:01.080 also know these women were passing on cidential and privileged 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.000 information to Nick as far back as mid to late 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:08.039 twenty twenty What are you going to do when all 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:11.680 of that comes out to the judge? What are you 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:13.240 going to do when all of that comes out to 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:15.960 the judge and She also claimed in that email there'd 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:20.279 been a behind the scenes corrupting of the process. She said, 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.440 if you have to lie in cheat to win, then 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.919 you shouldn't be playing the game at all. So, just 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.800 to repeat there, the claim is that Nine paid off 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:34.760 a witness to stop damning allegations emerging, including that Nine 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.800 had gained access to part of Ben Robertsmith's privileged legal 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:43.240 strategy from his own emails. The witness as a claim 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.400 that mackenzie had treated her in such a way that 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:51.920 caused her mental distress. There are questions about what action 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:56.880 nine took to investigate the journalistic, ethical, and legal conduct 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:00.960 of its team, because in the secret recording McKenzie described 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.920 this as a breach of his own ethics. 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.400 No, I shouldn't tell you I've just breached my ethics 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.240 and doing that like this is where like this is 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.720 probably sheep position there if they knew. 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:18.239 That I paid, he knew that. I asked nine questions 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:22.120 about whether they conducted their own investigation into the allegations 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.560 raised by Person seventeen that led to this seven hundred 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:29.440 thousand dollars payment, And I asked them also who authorized 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.719 this payment, who signed off on it? But nine has 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:37.320 refused to answer questions, and its chair Katherine West ran 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:41.120 away from the cameras today when she was confronted about 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:41.880 this scandal. 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.760 This is the chairwoman of nine Entertainment this morning, Katherine West, 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.760 camera shy and silent, Catherine, did you sign off on 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.360 hush money payments? Did you sign off on those payments? 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.799 Do you stand by Nick mackenzie's reporting? Did you sign 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.320 off on the seven hundred thousand hush money payments? 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:03.160 Catherine? 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.760 Why are you avoiding us? Has Nine made other payments 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:08.960 to keep people quiet in this case? 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.560 Well, the evidence is mounting that nine had access to 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:18.840 Robert Smith's privileged legal strategy from his emails. This evidence 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:24.200 now includes Telster records that show Danielle Scott that's Ben, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:28.320 Robert Smith's ex wife's Emma's close friend, Telster records that 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.600 show Danielle Scott accessed his email account one hundred and 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.760 one times, an admission from Emma Roberts that his email 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:41.120 account was accessed in relation to their marriage proceedings. It 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.520 has also emerged that nine had access to emails about 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:49.119 person seventeen. Robert Smith says one email from his lawyer 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:53.720 was flagged and already read when he opened his account. 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.320 Daniel Scott tipped off Nick McKenzie in a text message 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.760 the Ben Robert Smith's lawyer and Monica Allen, was about 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.920 to write to the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions about 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.960 one of his tweets, and she said to him in 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:10.880 another message that it was better to be on the 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.240 front foot and know what they were planning, and that 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:19.080 he owed her to beers. There's also the audio recording 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.040 where mackenzie says that he had been briefed on Robert 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:26.240 Smith's legal strategy or part of it. Here's that specific 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.119 admission that was caught on tape. 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.440 Let go Yet again, you wrote the movies himself. 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:41.160 Definitely, they came actively. 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:47.080 Briefing us on his leadership to you respected you writ 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.679 with his piece, and yet we're not learning about We 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.160 anticipated most of it. 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:52.320 One or two things. 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.040 Now we know every which is helpful. 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.880 But at the point there Rene told you that is 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.160 to say, like, you know, we've got this and and 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.120 they're not hostile to ye, despite your worst fears, they're not. 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:10.000 Veteran Heston Russell, who won his own case against the ABC, 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.040 told me last night he was appalled by the tactics 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.480 used against Ben Robert Smith, and how. 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.560 These journalists being allowed to conduct these actions in order 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.880 to throw Australia's most decorated soldier under the bus and 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:25.959 try and scrubb all the rest of it under the table. 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.640 So I think the Nine board has a lot to 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.280 answer to the Australian public. My personal experience of what 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.360 I'm seeing now with Ben goes to show that there 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.599 are elements of the Australian media who are happy to 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.920 throw the rule book of ethics out the window when 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.040 it comes to trying to pursue Australia's most decorated people 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.599 who went to war and fought for this country and 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.400 fought for these rights that were meant to be defending 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:46.000 in our courts. 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.880 So now the pressure is mounting on nine to explain 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.240 why it paid hush money and asked a witness to 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:58.439 sign an NDA in what Robert Smith claims impacted on 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:06.719 his right to a fair hearing. Now, last night a 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:10.920 former Biki gang member working for the ABC flew to 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.880 Turkey to interview the man police claim was behind the 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:18.319 caravan terra plot. Now, this is the man who on 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:22.959 social media made highly anti Semitic comments. He's hiding from 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:26.720 Australian authorities. He fled the country, but then he agreed 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:30.640 to meet an ABC journalist who doesn't appear to have 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:35.800 told police about his location. Now, this journalist, Mummled Fuzzle, 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:40.840 is a former outlaw BIKI gang member turned reporter. He's 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.160 been the subject of an expose by journalist Kate McClymont 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.400 who alleged that he'd passed on menacing messages from an 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:52.880 organized crime gang to journalists. And he now works at 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.880 the ABC. And he sat down with the man who 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:01.800 is called sayeta Aka, who admitted to telling authorities about 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:05.400 the caravan with explosives, and he said in the interview 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.800 that there were detonators inside the caravan originally, but he 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:11.360 had them removed. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.559 He does admit he took charge of the caravan's movements 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:17.599 and he decided where to leave it. 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.800 I actually picked a juryl and I just told the 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.199 driver that I had intercepted to do the seizure off 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.959 to just put it in a safe spot that we 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:33.120 selected off that map. My clear instruction was to make 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:37.680 sure this is not going to explode. So he says 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.920 he instructed the driver to remove the detonators from. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:41.280 The van. 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.520 Sayet Akka also admitted to hiring a man to damp 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.280 to dump the caravan of explosives. You just heard some 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.760 of that there, but claimed he only intercepted the caravan 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.280 to prevent a crime from taking place. Here's that part. 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.480 I didn't organize the caravan. I just organized the seizure 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.520 of it. There's so many ways this could go wrong. 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.280 What if the wrong agency found it and it had 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:09.280 the deadonators read to go, I'd have a terrorism judge 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.000 when I was actually just trying to get this stuff 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:15.160 off the street to be able to go back home. 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.760 But he denied having anything to do with the anti 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:25.280 Semitism crisis across Sydney. Police alleged he was behind all 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:29.000 of those attacks that plagued the Jewish community, including the 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:32.800 fire bombing of a childcare center, the vandalism on Alex 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.439 Rifchin's former home, and also the attempt at arson of 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:42.040 the Newtown Synagogue. But Aka claims this is all untrue. 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.120 Now you'll recall that when police came out and said 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.560 this caravan plot was fake, was a hoax, and they 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:54.439 effectively downplayed the whole anti Semitism crisis. Or after that, 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.440 I looked into the story, and I reported that there 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.920 was a political push from the Albanese government behind this. 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:08.839 The Albanese government pressured police to publicly state that the 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.880 caravan plot was not a terror related incident. This was 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:17.880 despite the risk of jeopardizing the investigation, which was ongoing 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.640 with suspects still under surveillance and arrests yet to be made. 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:27.520 Multiple sources involved in the joint counter terror investigation told 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.120 me there was a push from the Albanese government to 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.800 get the caravan HOAPX narrative into the public domain before 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:41.320 the federal election, so that messaging was highly political. Well 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.040 say it aka. Last night in this four corner story, 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:49.000 he showed messages text messages that he said were from 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:54.160 his handler at the aff where they also blamed politics 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:55.840 for that press conference. 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:01.199 The AFP's working with local and overseas law enforcement officials 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.240 in our bid to have all of those responsible brought 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:04.880 to justice. 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:09.520 Sa Akah was feeling the heat, but says his AFP 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.720 handlers were reassuring him, it's been a. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.880 Rough couple of days. There's a few things going at 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:16.960 the moment that we need to work through on our end. 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.800 Your safety has been our priority from the start. What 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:21.920 has happened in the media is out of our control. 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.360 As you would appreciate, this is very political. 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.760 Trying to listen to the circus, give us a couple 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:29.400 of days to let the dust settle. 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:35.600 Very political, and the political strategy worked. The Albernezi government 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.720 was able to shut down any claims that there was 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:43.960 a genuine antisemitism crisis here in Australia right before the 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:47.640 federal election campaign. But the question now is do you 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.240 believe this criminal that he had nothing to do with 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:55.280 the antisemitic attacks and only intercepted the caravan of explosives, 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.119 or do you believe the AFP that he is ultimately 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:04.320 the asked mind behind the summer of antisemitism. Well, unless 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.600 police are able to catch him and present more evidence, 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.920 perhaps will never know. And of course it seems that 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:15.440 they that had they been assisted in the effort by 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.520 their AFP, they might have been able to catch him. 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:21.680 But it doesn't appear that the ABC assisted in telling 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:26.520 authorities where in the world say it AKA was. They 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:31.360 found the criminal, they interviewed him, they gave police nothing. 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.120 It seems this is quite the ethical dilemma one would 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:41.560 have thought. Now among the A list celebrities at the 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:45.160 met Gala in New York today was one familiar face 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:50.560 to Australians. Billionaire Anthony Pratt. The Cardboard King, paid homage 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:54.400 to the company his father started Visy wearing a very 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.680 on brand, very green suit and if you look closely, 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.440 it says one hundred percent recycled printed on it. He 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.800 also had a top hat and cain as he walked 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.160 the blue carpet to the fashion event of the year. 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.040 The theme was tailored for you. Now, it wasn't Anthony 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.360 Pratt's first Met Gala, of course, here he was last 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.840 year making a similar fashion statement. Now it's been a 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.160 busy few months for Anthony Pratt, who recently pledged seven 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:29.320 point eight Australian billion dollars into America's manufacturing sector in 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:33.000 his bid to help America make America greater again. And 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.720 it's no wonder Donald Trump called him a personal friend 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:37.080 just a few days ago. 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:43.000 Executive Global Chairman of Pratt Industries. Friend of mine, Anthony Pratt. 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.120 He's investing five billion dollars. 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:49.280 Thank you, Thank you, Anthony, and Anthony just a few 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.880 months ago, joined Trump and Millennia at Mara Lago. But 0:16:53.280 --> 0:17:02.000 his outfit on that occasion wasn't quite as colorful. All right, 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.400 let's bring in tonight's panel, former Speaker of the House 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.760 Broman Bishop and former Labor minister Graham Richardson. Welcome to 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.800 you both. Well, let's start by talking about what's got 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.040 to be some good news, at least since the weekend, 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.640 that the tide is turning against the Teals, with Zoe 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.480 Daniel losing her seat of Goldstein to Liberals Tim Wilson, 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:26.160 and this after she already declared victory on Saturday night. 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.080 She's not quite titanium, is she. Maybe she's going to 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.600 settle for silver medal instead. Now. Minnick Ryding Ku Young 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.119 is also struggling to hold onto her lead against Emilia Hamer, 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.000 who looks like she may just pick up the traditional 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.320 blue ribbon street And of course Adam Bant is also 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.679 fighting to hold onto his seat in Melbourne. The Labor 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:06.720 candidate is ahead. These counts are still ongoing. They're taking 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:10.399 their time at the AEC, so hopefully we'll have an 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.440 outcome on some of these seats tomorrow. They need to 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:16.480 get some more vote counter as that, so this would 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.240 be if there is a loss of at least one 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.080 TiAl seat we know of this would be a silver 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:22.960 lining at least. 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:28.840 Yeah, there's every possibility that we can maintain Bradfield, that 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.600 Kuyong may flip. The question is what happens to the 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:37.800 absent votes, which usually favor the left of politics, whereas 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:42.359 the postal votes favor the Liberal party. And there are 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:46.359 always many more postal votes and there are absent te votes, 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.719 But it's how far you are ahead by the time 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.320 the absentee's come in to see which way it will go. 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:55.520 But I'm very hopeful that the so called teal representation 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:56.600 will be halved. 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:58.120 At least some of them. 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.520 And to see Adam Bradam, to see him go would 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:02.119 be justice. 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.639 I only ever got there because of liberal preferences, and 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.840 to take liberal preferences away and see him lose would 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:09.399 be justice. 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.520 Indeed, well, I think this is something that liberal should 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:17.040 do in all elections, perhaps absolutely green. Last, now, Richo, 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.959 what do you think do you think we are going 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.200 to see Adam Bant lose his seat and what do 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.840 you think is behind this rejection of the Greens? 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:30.120 Well, first off, there'll be many a dry eye if 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:31.200 he does lose his seat. 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:34.879 I don't think there there'll be too many people weeping 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:40.159 at that loss, and I certainly won't be. When you 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:44.680 look at why what's happened with the Greens. They basically 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.880 get ten percent of the vote every election. It might 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.520 have got one percent or down, but it never varies 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:54.920 much and so once they get to a seat like Melbourne, 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.360 that's not giving themselves much cover. 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.320 And you know, so if the swing's on, they're going 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:02.560 to go. 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:08.000 And obviously with Sarah why she's done particularly well. I 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.840 can't see how she'll get pigged back or a postal 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:11.880 votes or anything else. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:16.440 Well I heard that she barely even campaigned and she 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.800 wasn't given any resources or funding by the Labor Party. 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.959 You know, it was just an underresourced campaign. I mean 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.359 you imagine if they actually would have put proper funding 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:30.440 into that. Now, Brodman, we're seeing Liberal donors, including billionaire 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:35.080 Robert Milner also stockbroker Angersaitkin, refuse to keep donating to 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.159 the Liberal Party unless they see change. This is a 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.760 story in the Australian newspaper today by Matt Kranston. Now 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.160 this isn't surprising Brunwin who would want to throw them? 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:49.040 They're hard earned millions of dollars at a party that's 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:50.520 in utter disarray. 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:57.240 Well, they're both sensible people and they certainly don't want 0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.520 to see the Liberal Party disappear. 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:05.159 They want to see it function properly. And I watched 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:06.320 the language that was used. 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:11.000 It was quite nuanced language, I thought, and I certainly look, 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:15.880 I can simply say we've been here before, and well 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:17.280 we've had resurgence. 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:19.320 I mean, I was in that that might be quite 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:21.000 useful advice for you to Champron. 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:25.800 At the time, I was in the Houston campaign and 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.240 it felt like this last one. It really did, and 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:33.119 Houston was meant to win that election, of course, keating 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.760 on it with a big vote, eighty seven seats out 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:40.119 of a smaller parliament, big vote, and it to me 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:46.000 raises the question are very large majorities are blessing or 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:49.520 a curse? Because if you look at the way, and 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.719 I did, I just did a little little chart. If 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:56.800 you look at the way big majority suddenly get dashed, 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:01.159 you've got a much more difficult backbench handle, You've got 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:04.480 much more difficult issues to handle, and. 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.080 The voters seemed to turn against them. 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:13.400 So when Paul Ketty won with eighty seats, John Howard 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:17.680 next time got ninety four seats, but his then majority 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:21.720 went down to eighty because of the GST. He got 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:26.119 lucky for the next two elections because we had the Tampa, 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:28.080 and believe me, we were on the nose in two 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:31.680 thousand and won and then the Tampa happened and we 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.320 got lucky again with Mark Latham in two thousand and four. 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:37.880 But in two thousand and seven incomes rud with eighty 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:40.800 three seats, and then he loses and goes out as 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:42.080 the two and so it goes. 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:45.640 It does move around, so don't ever write it off. 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.440 And we've got a million people who are willing to 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:50.920 have their say on what went wrong and what was 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:51.560 all terrible. 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:54.400 It was terrible. It didn't have a proper narrative. 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:59.359 It didn't spend the whole time talking about what we 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.160 would do to bring down the cost of living. When 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:05.199 it came to the petrol halving of the tax on petrol, 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:07.600 that was right because this was an ingredient, but it 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:10.560 had to be spelt out how it would work and others, 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.400 and then talk about what was in the wings, what's 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:15.560 coming next if you re elect these people. 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:16.920 None of that was done. 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:19.440 But ruhman, I've got to get to richro So just 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.240 a quick answer here, But we are looking at six 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:25.080 years at least of labor. I mean, if they have 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:29.120 ninety seats now, you can't win that and could pick 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:31.040 up forty or so seats in three years time. 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:35.000 Paul Keaton would have said that in ninety three he 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:36.440 would have thought he had two terms. 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:37.080 He didn't. 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:41.560 And when John Hard was re elected in two thousand 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:43.920 and four with that great big majority, he thought he 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:45.720 was going to be there for another couple of terms too. 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:52.040 He wasn't so predicting politics from when you cop it, 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:56.200 and we did cop it. We cop they hiding and deservedly. 0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:59.520 So I have to say, but that doesn't mean to 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:02.280 say that what the Liberal Party believes in and stands for, 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:06.359 and we need in this country a solid opposition. And 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.560 so it's a question of getting behind them, not saying, oh, 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:12.600 I'm going to stand back and just cry out and 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.720 say it's all too hard. And people who are committed 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:18.439 to a course and want to see something. And Graham, 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.080 you've been there, like you've got to get back. 0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:21.199 In and. 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.280 You know, what are your reflections on what Bromwin just said. 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:28.800 I agree with much of what you just said. Look, 0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:31.600