WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 1 September 0:00:02.540 --> 0:00:07.840 This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Shari. 0:00:07.860 --> 0:00:10.180 How good was Mark Holden? Lovely to have you in 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:12.200 the Man Cave tonight. If you want to reach out, 0:00:12.220 --> 0:00:13.360 you know what to do. You can always send me 0:00:13.380 --> 0:00:15.600 an email. But more importantly, you just sit exactly where 0:00:15.620 --> 0:00:18.270 you are right now because I've got about 23 hours 0:00:18.610 --> 0:00:20.140 I want to talk about. We'll fit it into the 0:00:20.180 --> 0:00:24.770 next one hour of television. Let's start with... A tinge 0:00:24.810 --> 0:00:26.889 of good news in the difficulties that are in and 0:00:26.930 --> 0:00:27.570 around Nepal. 0:00:27.610 --> 0:00:29.330 There are still thousands of people that are missing. 0:00:29.350 --> 0:00:33.099 There are 43 Australians who are still missing. But we 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:37.690 learned today of the second Australian who has been found alive. 0:00:39.300 --> 0:00:42.820 There's immense relief for an Australian family tonight. A loved 0:00:42.900 --> 0:00:46.030 one feared missing in the Nepal disaster has been found 0:00:46.130 --> 0:00:46.990 safe and well. 0:00:47.210 --> 0:00:49.409 There is some rare good news in the search for 0:00:49.450 --> 0:00:54.110 survivors in Nepal tonight. A second missing Australian confirmed alive. 0:00:55.630 --> 0:00:58.290 So where did they find him? How did they find him? 0:00:58.430 --> 0:01:00.530 Again, latest information from Nepal tonight. 0:01:01.860 --> 0:01:05.210 The second Australian now accounted for a woman found on 0:01:05.250 --> 0:01:08.590 the Tibetan side of the border. It's understood she made 0:01:08.690 --> 0:01:11.500 contact with her family. You can just imagine six days 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.959 into that disaster how sweet that phone call would have been. 0:01:15.060 --> 0:01:17.580 DFAT is aware of this and assisting. 0:01:17.100 --> 0:01:17.679 Her right now. 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:24.699 Now, in terms of other situations, we've got terrible news 0:01:24.780 --> 0:01:30.520 as well about confirmation about an Australian who has also believed, firstly, 0:01:30.540 --> 0:01:32.040 to have been missing and then dying. 0:01:32.100 --> 0:01:34.700 That information came to us today as well. 0:01:36.390 --> 0:01:41.289 We've located an Australian on the Tibetan side of the border. 0:01:42.170 --> 0:01:43.869 That person is safe. 0:01:44.069 --> 0:01:44.990 Consular officials. 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.900 have made contact with the person and then been able 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:52.300 to phone their family. Obviously, that's a huge relief for 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:53.700 their family members. 0:01:54.740 --> 0:01:55.660 Sorry, my apologies. 0:01:56.140 --> 0:01:58.760 And also the greater fears that exist when it comes 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:00.460 to the other missing Australians. 0:02:01.460 --> 0:02:08.020 The area is difficult to communicate with. There's been road closures, obviously, 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.750 that have been wiped out. The power is down and 0:02:11.780 --> 0:02:18.110 telecommunications are, are very, very limited. So we're continuing to 0:02:18.150 --> 0:02:21.329 work as best we possibly can with our consular officials 0:02:21.710 --> 0:02:23.419 and the Nepalese search parties. 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:28.899 But obviously, as every day goes on, it becomes much 0:02:28.940 --> 0:02:29.700 more difficult. 0:02:30.580 --> 0:02:33.320 Let's get back home and some issues that should concern 0:02:33.419 --> 0:02:35.859 all of us, which is the threat to safety and 0:02:35.900 --> 0:02:38.810 the threat from safety that we just don't see coming. 0:02:39.270 --> 0:02:43.579 Of course, the Bondi attack. Two people are accused of 0:02:43.620 --> 0:02:49.770 being responsible. One was killed by police. One is a 24-year-old, 0:02:49.830 --> 0:02:54.350 currently now, sitting before the courts as the accused alleged shooter. 0:02:55.410 --> 0:02:57.380 But there is an issue about the number of young 0:02:57.470 --> 0:02:59.780 people who are being radicalised in Australia that I want 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.359 to spend a little bit of time talking about tonight. No, 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.019 it is not as sexy as bashing up Albanese or 0:03:05.139 --> 0:03:08.239 being able to point with rage about the problems when 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.910 it comes to this government, but it is a life-and-death situation. 0:03:12.370 --> 0:03:16.310 threat that exists around the country. It is getting worse 0:03:16.790 --> 0:03:19.610 every year and it's one that the ASIO chief is 0:03:19.750 --> 0:03:20.950 acutely aware of. 0:03:22.150 --> 0:03:26.620 Social media is amplifying and accelerating grievance narratives, eroding trust 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:32.740 in institutions, promoting discord and inflammatory rhetoric, exacerbating polarisation and 0:03:32.820 --> 0:03:38.020 creating a permissive environment for violence. Whether online or in 0:03:38.060 --> 0:03:42.290 the real world, when intolerance is tolerated, When violent language 0:03:42.390 --> 0:03:46.870 and violent acts are left unchecked, they become normalised, reinforcing 0:03:46.890 --> 0:03:51.260 the impression they're acceptable and compounding the likelihood of further violence. 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.640 And adding to all of this was horrific news today 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.700 about what might have been. It's to do with the 0:03:58.740 --> 0:04:01.780 Sydney Opera House. And wait till I tell you the 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:06.430 age of a person who made a major pleading today 0:04:06.610 --> 0:04:10.610 in court. A teenage boy. has now pled guilty to 0:04:10.650 --> 0:04:13.910 preparing a potential terrorist attack on the Sydney Opera House. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.060 A teenage boy told a court in Sydney that he 0:04:17.100 --> 0:04:20.680 was considering carrying out a mass terror attack motivated by 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:25.120 Islamic extremism and the CBD after being radicalised on social media. 0:04:26.140 --> 0:04:30.650 He was 14 years old. When federal police arrested him 0:04:30.670 --> 0:04:32.730 a couple of years ago at his Western Sydney home, 0:04:33.150 --> 0:04:36.089 officers found more than 40 videos on his computer featuring 0:04:36.210 --> 0:04:39.849 extremist content. The boy, who cannot be identified, has pled 0:04:39.890 --> 0:04:45.099 guilty to committing acts in preparation of a terrorist attack 0:04:45.130 --> 0:04:47.390 at a sentencing hearing, which took place at the Supreme 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.820 Court today. The court had heard that the boy was 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:55.740 conducting online research into target locations and attack methodologies for 0:04:55.760 --> 0:05:02.260 the purposes of detonating explosive devices and motivated by Islamic extremism. 0:05:03.900 --> 0:05:07.219 The court heard that the boy told investigators youth justice 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.910 workers that he was raised by good parents who had. 0:05:09.850 --> 0:05:12.210 Taught him to respect everyone. 0:05:13.350 --> 0:05:15.270 He told the court today that he was first exposed 0:05:15.290 --> 0:05:19.830 to extremist material on TikTok earlier in 2024 and found 0:05:19.870 --> 0:05:23.690 it very interesting. Now, he has apparently gone through a 0:05:23.790 --> 0:05:28.790 de-radicalisation process and we'll find out exactly what the sentencing is. 0:05:28.850 --> 0:05:34.140 But the theme here is about the ages. Allegation of 0:05:34.300 --> 0:05:39.090 the shooter in Bondi, 24. Today, a guilty plea of 0:05:39.110 --> 0:05:44.900 a 14-year-old. In the ACT in Canberra, this one's about 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:49.020 a 17-year-old. A Canberra teen has been charged with planning 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:53.980 terrorist attacks. A Canberra teenager has become the first person 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.099 in the ACT to be charged with planning a terrorist 0:05:56.140 --> 0:06:00.380 attack after police allege that he was preparing to target 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:05.510 strangers and motivated by nationalist and racist extremist views. The 0:06:05.529 --> 0:06:09.789 17-year-old appeared in the children's court charged with one count 0:06:09.870 --> 0:06:13.250 of planning or preparing for a terrorist act and one 0:06:13.350 --> 0:06:19.409 count of transmitting violent extremist material. At the time, police 0:06:19.450 --> 0:06:23.650 said that he had developed the plans for public attacks 0:06:24.330 --> 0:06:27.050 and had the necessary equipment to create a bomb in 0:06:27.170 --> 0:06:31.469 his bedroom. In November, after the teen's arrest, the court 0:06:31.529 --> 0:06:36.700 heard the videos the boy shared Possessed include offensive depictions 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.659 of shootings along with game-style video of the Christchurch shootings 0:06:40.700 --> 0:06:44.260 and images of Nazi flags and Ku Klux Klan members. 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:46.960 That was from May in this year. 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.660 Police at the time said that violent extremist material is 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:55.020 circulated by terrorist organisations to promote violence, hate and division 0:06:55.339 --> 0:06:59.320 within Australian society. The AFP and our law enforcement and 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.020 national security partners will continue to work tirelessly to keep 0:07:02.060 --> 0:07:05.120 Australians safe. It is our job to defend and to 0:07:05.180 --> 0:07:09.230 protect the Australian community and we will relentlessly pursue those 0:07:09.310 --> 0:07:15.390 who seek harm to our democracy or social cohesion. Strengthening 0:07:15.430 --> 0:07:18.390 awareness and confidence in trusted and supportive networks is a 0:07:18.470 --> 0:07:22.560 key element to preventing radicalisation and protecting young people from 0:07:22.900 --> 0:07:24.160 harmful influences. 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.040 Remember the church stabbing a couple of years ago? 0:07:28.540 --> 0:07:30.440 We covered it live as it was all happening in 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:37.650 Western Sydney. This one is back in 2024, seven juveniles 0:07:38.410 --> 0:07:41.960 with alleged violent extremist ideology were arrested in Sydney by 0:07:42.100 --> 0:07:45.740 counter-terrorism police. Seven juveniles have been arrested as part of 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:51.840 those raids across southwestern Sydney, with police alleging they were 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:57.460 adhering to religiously motivated violent extremist ideology. New South Wales 0:07:57.500 --> 0:08:02.510 police said 13 search warrants were executed, seven were arrested, 0:08:02.690 --> 0:08:09.730 including 15 year olds, 16 and 17 year olds. Singular 0:08:09.770 --> 0:08:10.310 on the first. 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.420 Five others are assisting police with their inquiries. At the time, this. 0:08:15.340 --> 0:08:18.420 Was what police said about that allegation. 0:08:19.660 --> 0:08:23.320 We identified links between the alleged offender and a network 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:27.150 of associates and peers who we believe shared a similar 0:08:27.270 --> 0:08:31.190 violent extremist ideology. At this time, we have no evidence 0:08:31.270 --> 0:08:35.370 of specific locations, times or targets of a violent act. 0:08:36.450 --> 0:08:41.920 So again, you are seeing teenagers, the youngest version of teenagers, 0:08:42.179 --> 0:08:46.720 teenagers being caught up in these situations, their radicalisation similar 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:51.870 all the time online. The type of radicalisation, different, different. 0:08:54.090 --> 0:08:56.250 Quite frightening at the time was the Deputy Commissioner in 0:08:56.290 --> 0:09:00.080 New South Wales explaining just how big the problem is 0:09:00.100 --> 0:09:02.240 and how hard it is to stop this stuff. 0:09:03.700 --> 0:09:07.600 Their behaviour, whilst under that surveillance, led us to believe 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:12.400 that if they were to commit any act, we would 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.460 not be able to prevent that. And we believed, through 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.979 the investigation, that it was likely that an attack occurred. 0:09:19.059 --> 0:09:22.380 It was considered that the group, subject of our attention, 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.679 posed an unacceptable risk and threat to the people of 0:09:25.740 --> 0:09:30.750 New South Wales. And our current purely investigative strategies could 0:09:30.790 --> 0:09:33.070 not adequately ensure public safety. 0:09:33.090 --> 0:09:36.569 And what about in regional areas? Not immune either. 0:09:36.670 --> 0:09:42.569 Moree in New South Wales. 15 and a 16-year-old. Two 0:09:42.590 --> 0:09:45.980 New South Wales teens were charged over extremist material. 0:09:46.450 --> 0:09:48.130 It goes on, it goes on, it goes on. I 0:09:48.230 --> 0:09:49.949 could give you so many other examples. 0:09:52.059 --> 0:09:54.880 This is what the ASIO boss is talking about when 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.050 he talks about the size of the threat. This is 0:09:58.110 --> 0:10:00.720 why when we mention that there are hundreds of people 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.859 in de-radicalisation programs, that there is a whole world of 0:10:04.940 --> 0:10:07.579 threat that the people who keep us safe have to 0:10:07.620 --> 0:10:09.580 be on top of 24-7. 0:10:11.300 --> 0:10:11.950 It's a way of me. 0:10:12.070 --> 0:10:15.830 Artificial intelligence will allow a step change in our security environment. 0:10:17.010 --> 0:10:20.189 AI is likely to make radicalisation easier and faster. 0:10:20.590 --> 0:10:24.150 Mike Burgess says while AI is an opportunity for society, 0:10:24.390 --> 0:10:25.430 it comes with risks. 0:10:25.710 --> 0:10:28.610 The internet is the world's greatest incubator of extremism and 0:10:28.670 --> 0:10:33.470 social media is the world's greatest accelerator. AI will augment 0:10:33.750 --> 0:10:36.210 the incubation and accelerate the acceleration. 0:10:37.550 --> 0:10:38.670 All of this is a concern. 0:10:39.030 --> 0:10:40.630 It is a way of saying thank you to the 0:10:40.700 --> 0:10:44.439 people who keep us safe, but it's also a moment 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.120 to be deadly serious with you. which is to always 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.359 keep an eye on the people in your life, not suspiciously, 0:10:52.210 --> 0:10:53.910 not in the world of dibba-dobbing or. 0:10:55.410 --> 0:10:55.890 Anything else. 0:10:55.950 --> 0:10:59.410 It's about keeping each other safe. So as they used 0:10:59.429 --> 0:11:01.610 to say, if you see something, you should say something. 0:11:01.670 --> 0:11:03.370 So I want you to write these telephone numbers down. 0:11:03.390 --> 0:11:04.510 I'll give you a couple of seconds for them to 0:11:04.550 --> 0:11:10.010 stay up online. Crime stoppers, that's a national number, 1-800-333-000. Obviously, 0:11:10.170 --> 0:11:12.620 if it is a matter that is an imminent danger, 0:11:12.700 --> 0:11:15.750 triple O is the number, but otherwise. If you've got 0:11:15.770 --> 0:11:18.390 a suspicion, if you've seen something weird, if you think 0:11:18.410 --> 0:11:22.559 there's something worth talking about here, 1-800-333-000. Of course, the 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:30.199 National Security Hotline is 1-800-123-400, 1-800-123-400. The Police Assistance Line, again, 0:11:30.620 --> 0:11:33.470 another way of getting in contact without clogging up 000, 0:11:33.470 --> 0:11:34.490 is 131-444. 0:11:35.850 --> 0:11:39.290 All of this matters. It's difficult. It's hard. 0:11:40.290 --> 0:11:42.150 We all hope that it's no one that is in 0:11:42.250 --> 0:11:45.670 our orbit, but... The reality is that we don't know 0:11:45.690 --> 0:11:49.330 where it's coming from. And while news moves on and 0:11:50.470 --> 0:11:54.110 the feelings are different than after Bondi, after September 11, 0:11:54.110 --> 0:11:57.870 after Bali, after London, the reality is that because of 0:11:57.910 --> 0:12:01.530 the bloody internet, the threat is as urgent as ever. 0:12:01.590 --> 0:12:04.240 Strength and love to everyone who is on the front 0:12:04.270 --> 0:12:06.100 lines of this fight and thank you for keeping us 0:12:06.150 --> 0:12:08.860 safe today and hopefully every. 0:12:08.740 --> 0:12:09.160 Day to come. 0:12:11.500 --> 0:12:14.240 We talk a lot about aged care because it's kind 0:12:14.260 --> 0:12:16.360 of where we're all headed, right? Many of us may 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:22.020 have intimate, beautiful family members, our parents or partners in 0:12:22.260 --> 0:12:24.680 aged care. So I always pay attention to this and 0:12:24.700 --> 0:12:26.459 I really hate that the government that made such a 0:12:26.500 --> 0:12:29.479 song and dance about robo-dead is also now using some 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:34.840 sort of an algorithm, non-human intervention here to decide what 0:12:34.940 --> 0:12:38.319 people get what help. In fact, there was a Four 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:39.860 Corners story about it a couple of weeks ago. 0:12:41.100 --> 0:12:44.680 Aged care experts say the system is failing. 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.270 More than a quarter of a million older Australians. 0:12:49.910 --> 0:12:52.950 Are waiting, either to be assessed or to get the 0:12:53.010 --> 0:12:55.250 full funding they've been approved for. 0:12:56.330 --> 0:12:59.570 It's a pure financial decision. This is how much we 0:12:59.590 --> 0:13:03.160 can afford, and that I call a calculated denial of service. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.160 Government is making a political calculation that it can get 0:13:06.220 --> 0:13:10.580 away with not funding people who itself has assessed as 0:13:10.620 --> 0:13:11.360 needing services. 0:13:13.350 --> 0:13:15.790 Well, another problem here. And again, none of this stuff's sexy. 0:13:15.830 --> 0:13:17.170 It doesn't get out on the front page. It's not 0:13:17.190 --> 0:13:18.589 on the 6pm news. You're not going to see a 0:13:18.650 --> 0:13:21.290 reel about this any time, but this is real conversation. 0:13:21.610 --> 0:13:23.230 with an A, that we like to have each and 0:13:23.250 --> 0:13:27.280 every night. Because I want you to know that we, 0:13:27.420 --> 0:13:29.960 on this side of the screen at News 24, we 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.600 see the complications that are in and around aged care, 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:34.880 either for the people that are in it or the 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:38.010 people that will inevitably end up in it. Of course, 0:13:38.070 --> 0:13:39.910 the point before that is people when it comes to 0:13:39.970 --> 0:13:43.329 home care, and that's just a mess. But today, a 0:13:43.630 --> 0:13:45.890 collection of health ministers have been trying to say the 0:13:45.929 --> 0:13:48.770 federal government needs to pony up more cash because of 0:13:48.809 --> 0:13:51.309 the number of people who should be in aged care 0:13:51.370 --> 0:13:55.240 who are sitting in public hospitals. Now, as you know, 0:13:55.460 --> 0:13:59.580 public hospitals, full to the gills, with everyone who needs 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.380 everything from a broken arm, but beds are being taken 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.200 up by people who equally deserve a bed somewhere in 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.610 an aged care facility. The reason they are there is 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:12.290 because of funding gaps. And the ministers are demanding. 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.040 Let's talk about Queensland specifically here because new data shows 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.610 the number of medically cleared patients in Queensland hospitals awaiting 0:14:20.670 --> 0:14:25.670 placements in specialist aged care beds and NDIS support facilities. 0:14:26.290 --> 0:14:31.910 It's up now to about 1,500 people since December. That 0:14:31.970 --> 0:14:35.800 is three quarters of those people are seeking aged care. 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:41.890 This is 11.5% of the state's entire hospital capacity. It 0:14:41.930 --> 0:14:46.310 costs more than $ 3 million a day, and 15 people 0:14:46.350 --> 0:14:53.350 are waiting more than 700 days, so years, to move from, effectively, 0:14:53.810 --> 0:15:00.650 the emergency system to the long-term care system. Now, we 0:15:00.690 --> 0:15:04.860 can find out together whether our politicians care, and it's 0:15:04.890 --> 0:15:07.290 good to see the state ministers trying to put pressure 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.860 in this area, but hopefully, hopefully... This is one of 0:15:10.900 --> 0:15:14.420 those ones that can create some pressure on the decency 0:15:14.460 --> 0:15:16.420 of everyone who makes a decision in Canberra. It is 0:15:16.460 --> 0:15:19.050 not good for those people that are in hospital but 0:15:19.090 --> 0:15:20.250 should be in aged care. 0:15:20.490 --> 0:15:22.010 It is not good that the. 0:15:21.970 --> 0:15:24.470 Hospital bed that should be available for somebody who is 0:15:24.510 --> 0:15:28.210 recuperating from something that came in via elective surgery or 0:15:28.230 --> 0:15:31.920 the emergency department, all of this stuff is connected. None 0:15:31.940 --> 0:15:34.560 of this stuff is an accident. All of these things 0:15:34.700 --> 0:15:38.020 are about choices and priorities. And what does it say 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.660 about our government's That this is what is the result 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.500 of their decisions? Well, it speaks to their lack, in 0:15:44.540 --> 0:15:52.240 my view, of clear priorities. Instead, for the federal government, 0:15:52.260 --> 0:15:54.560 the priority today was not accountability for any of this. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.000 It was still keeping the temperature at boiling level in 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.760 and around Pauline Hanson. Now, I could sit here and 0:15:59.780 --> 0:16:04.750 I could fill an entire hour, an hour of the 0:16:04.790 --> 0:16:07.090 things that are said online about Pauline Hanson that aren't 0:16:07.110 --> 0:16:10.140 just over the line, that are right over next to 0:16:10.220 --> 0:16:12.550 something that the police should be investigating, let alone a 0:16:12.570 --> 0:16:14.770 whole bunch of stuff that none of us know about, 0:16:16.910 --> 0:16:22.580 but forced her to try to ask for more security. Today, 0:16:22.620 --> 0:16:28.180 the Labor Party is effectively victim-blaming. The victim here, in 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.710 terms of the threats, is Pauline Hanson, is One Nation. 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:32.880 Unbelievably, this was. 0:16:32.780 --> 0:16:35.800 The Attorney-General of Australia today. 0:16:35.860 --> 0:16:37.120 Rather than lowering the. 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:41.260 Temperature, oh, no, no, because it's their political opponents, let's 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:42.540 keep it nice and high. 0:16:43.870 --> 0:16:48.290 I would suggest that Senator Hanson should examine what her 0:16:48.490 --> 0:16:52.710 party and what her ideology and her behaviour is doing 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:54.800 and whether or not that is encouraging that. 0:16:55.860 --> 0:16:57.100 Honestly, it goes on and on. 0:16:57.620 --> 0:17:00.640 Pauline Hanson was demanding an apology today from the Attorney-General 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.600 after that stuff was being said today. 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.310 But no, no, no. It's all grist for the mill, 0:17:05.330 --> 0:17:06.919 not just one interview. Let's keep going. 0:17:08.410 --> 0:17:11.930 When you go on the tie and you entertain some 0:17:11.950 --> 0:17:15.830 of the individuals whom she has been entertaining, who are 0:17:15.910 --> 0:17:19.109 not only convicted criminals, when you admit that you have 0:17:19.150 --> 0:17:22.950 a party that has been infiltrated by extremists and neo-Nazis, 0:17:23.550 --> 0:17:27.609 this is exactly the kind of dangers to which politicians 0:17:27.650 --> 0:17:29.230 are being put in this country. 0:17:30.630 --> 0:17:33.100 And can I show you something that our mate Lee Hanson, 0:17:33.540 --> 0:17:37.060 hopefully a senator from Tasmania sometime soon, but a lady who, 0:17:37.100 --> 0:17:41.720 of course, frequently appears on this program from Tasmania. This 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.179 is one of the threats that is just openly floating 0:17:44.220 --> 0:17:47.710 about on the internet and seemingly no one cares. An 0:17:47.750 --> 0:17:51.310 organisation called Muslim Retribution. Now, in fairness, they have very 0:17:51.390 --> 0:17:53.709 few followers online, but a perfect example of what is 0:17:53.830 --> 0:17:54.969 written in the comments section. 0:17:56.570 --> 0:17:57.050 Unbelievable. 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:03.590 The only good right-wing Aussie is a dead one. The 0:18:03.690 --> 0:18:06.530 only way to deal with far-right degenerates is to round 0:18:06.570 --> 0:18:10.469 them up and give them what they deserve. Anyone who 0:18:10.510 --> 0:18:15.110 votes One Nation as their supporters are admitted racist should 0:18:15.130 --> 0:18:20.990 be targeted. There is no peace for the far-right. Now, again, 0:18:21.330 --> 0:18:23.250 madness on the internet is not new and it is 0:18:23.450 --> 0:18:26.669 regardless of whether it is somebody who's got five followers 0:18:26.730 --> 0:18:29.440 or five hundred. Can I point you to the conversation 0:18:29.460 --> 0:18:33.320 before about radicalisation that is happening right now and you 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.739 don't know from what direction it is coming? Things have 0:18:36.180 --> 0:18:43.139 radically changed about why people are being caught, accused and 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.770 pleading guilty to the planning of violence. 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:47.109 It matters. 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.870 Sorry tonight's not a fun show, but this stuff really matters. 0:18:53.170 --> 0:18:58.240 Lee Hanson writes today that enough... It's absolutely disgusting, disgraceful, un-Australian. 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:02.240 She continues, advocating for violence and targeting Australians because of 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.300 how they vote has crossed a very serious line. 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:06.120 She's correct. 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.159 This is exactly the sort of hatred and extremism that 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:13.260 Australians should reject, regardless of who it is directed at. 0:19:14.260 --> 0:19:17.220 For this group or person to say that there is 0:19:17.300 --> 0:19:20.600 no place for the far right, which I reject that reference, 0:19:20.980 --> 0:19:23.840 but to call for death and violence is nothing but hypocrisy. 0:19:25.010 --> 0:19:27.649 It shows us exactly where the violence and division is 0:19:27.710 --> 0:19:31.770 coming from. And it's not conservative. So I call upon 0:19:31.990 --> 0:19:35.040 all of the media and political parties to speak up 0:19:35.060 --> 0:19:37.980 to stamp out this violence. Again, that was her post 0:19:38.300 --> 0:19:42.540 on Facebook from a little bit earlier today. Now, again, 0:19:43.570 --> 0:19:44.730 people will say, well, once you. 0:19:44.609 --> 0:19:46.409 Elevate these things, all you're doing is adding to. 0:19:46.390 --> 0:19:46.950 The problem, Paul. 0:19:47.010 --> 0:19:47.260 No, no, no. 0:19:47.530 --> 0:19:50.209 At some point, you've got to say, here is... the 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:54.220 example of why we think the Prime Minister goes too 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:55.840 far when he says some of the things that he 0:19:55.859 --> 0:19:57.760 has been saying over the past couple of days. 0:19:58.920 --> 0:19:59.980 Again, have a look at the comment. 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:10.629 Right wing, far right, far right are up there. And 0:20:10.650 --> 0:20:12.070 I know some people are going to be very annoyed 0:20:12.090 --> 0:20:15.449 at this, but what is the language that is used 0:20:15.470 --> 0:20:19.630 by people who are supposedly leading this country about their 0:20:19.690 --> 0:20:23.080 political opponents, the same language that gets used by the 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:24.540 crazies online? 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:26.080 Have a look. 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:27.820 Far right. 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:28.540 Far right. 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:29.040 Far right. 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:29.760 Far right. 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:34.439 Far right. This is the problem. Now, I get it. 0:20:35.070 --> 0:20:39.260 You can absolutely despise someone politically. You know, I am 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:43.290 certainly no fan of certain politicians. But once we start 0:20:43.330 --> 0:20:46.369 to get into this sort of stuff, we are way 0:20:46.450 --> 0:20:50.790 past OK. It is behoven on any and everyone with 0:20:50.890 --> 0:20:53.830 access to a camera, a microphone or the responsibility of 0:20:53.950 --> 0:20:59.010 government or a member of parliament to call out the 0:20:59.070 --> 0:21:01.879 threats of violence, not just that come their way, but 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:03.820 that go in other people's directions. 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:05.400 Again. 0:21:08.310 --> 0:21:10.210 We get an opportunity every three years to make a 0:21:10.230 --> 0:21:12.929 decision about whether we hire or fire politicians. 0:21:13.070 --> 0:21:13.510 That's it. 0:21:14.970 --> 0:21:19.310 Any further talk than that is too much. Any invocation 0:21:20.470 --> 0:21:23.010 about things like the far right, the far right, the 0:21:23.050 --> 0:21:25.989 far right, we owe it to history to stop them. 0:21:26.010 --> 0:21:29.629 Michelle Obama, vote like your life depends on it. You 0:21:29.690 --> 0:21:32.510 are raising it right up to the top, right up 0:21:32.550 --> 0:21:36.130 to the top. And there is crazy amongst us, whether 0:21:36.170 --> 0:21:38.780 we like it or not, There is crazy amongst us, 0:21:38.810 --> 0:21:43.510 which is why words matter. I repeat, any threat against 0:21:43.770 --> 0:21:48.100 any person is not acceptable, not OK. And it is 0:21:48.130 --> 0:21:53.200 not the logical end of just disagreeing with someone. Essentially, 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:58.260 the dehumanising, in this case, of Hanson, One Nation, its supporters, 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.140 and anyone who disagrees with the government as far right, 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:05.399 is a slippery slope that none of us, none of us, 0:22:06.060 --> 0:22:07.000 want to get involved in. 0:22:09.230 --> 0:22:10.389 All right, change of tone a little bit here. 0:22:10.910 --> 0:22:13.290 But when it comes to the big Australia, well, we 0:22:13.330 --> 0:22:16.530 know it's growing at a very fast rate. My issue 0:22:16.590 --> 0:22:21.010 is simply about the raw numbers of people. As I 0:22:21.030 --> 0:22:23.950 just told you about aged care, we've got a problem. 0:22:24.470 --> 0:22:26.870 There's not enough of everything for the number of people 0:22:26.910 --> 0:22:28.730 that are here, let alone the extra numbers that get 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.740 added all the time. In fact, in the past five years, 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:39.550 net overseas migration, 1.4 million people. Oh, that's because of COVID. Okay, 0:22:39.750 --> 0:22:43.480 so let's call it a million. In five years, not 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:48.020 10 years, five years. And while constantly the discussion is 0:22:48.060 --> 0:22:49.560 we need to make sure that more people, when they 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:51.920 come to the country, they end up going to regional. 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.380 Areas, very little of that actually happens. 0:22:56.660 --> 0:22:59.040 As I mentioned, my frustration with all of this is 0:22:59.100 --> 0:23:03.270 not cultural. It is simply about the infrastructure that we 0:23:03.310 --> 0:23:06.210 currently have and whether the infrastructure that currently exists is 0:23:06.390 --> 0:23:09.719 able to cope with the human pressure of more people 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:14.520 being there. But, of course, the South Australian Premier, when 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:16.960 he was confronted about all of this, well, he says, 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:21.760 we've got to keep 1.4 million people coming into the country. 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:23.119 Why again? 0:23:23.140 --> 0:23:32.550 My message to One Nation voters is, who's going to 0:23:32.630 --> 0:23:36.169