1 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: Wow. 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: The Pit Top Podcast is officially back for twenty twenty six, 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: and this season hits differently. Twenty twenty six is not 4 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: just another year on the calendar. It's the final chapter 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: before MotoGP twenty twenty seven. 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: Regulation reset, a. 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: Complete technical overhaul is coming, new engine rules, new era limits, 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: a new era that is next year, and we've still 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: got twenty two races to go first. Here's the twist though, 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: this year, most of the manufacturers are locked in an 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: engine free so that means there's no major development happening there. 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: So where do you find the edge when you can't 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: touch an engine. You get creative, You chase marginal games, 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: You obsess over details, and that's exactly where today's guests will. 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 3: Come in Pit Top Podcast. 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: We are back. I am your Home to Rinita Vmulan 17 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: alongside mister Matt Clayton, our Moto GP guru. Matt we 18 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: were talking off yet it feels like only ten minutes 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: ago we were on holiday, and then ten minutes ago 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 2: we were recording our last podcast. 21 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it does seem like a while, but look, we 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 4: are so back. I'm really looking forward to this season. 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 4: It's kind of a it's a strange one in a way, 24 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 4: because there'll be some carryover from last season and everyone's 25 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 4: got half an asle, maybe three quarters of an eye 26 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 4: on twenty twenty seven. But there's a lot to play 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 4: out this year. And as you were saying before, where 28 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 4: do you find the marginal gains where some of the 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 4: easy avenues. 30 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 5: Have been cut off? 31 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 4: I think that's what er I thanks for. Today's guest 32 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 4: is going to help us out with it is And. 33 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: Before we get into that, we just want to say 34 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: a big thank you as. 35 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: Always to Shannon's Insurance for sponsoring this episode. But returning 36 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: once again to the Pittok Podcast is a technical wizard, 37 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: as he was formerly referred to as in his latest 38 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: episode on the Oxley Bomb Podcast, mister Peter Bomb. Peter, 39 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: welcome back and long time no see because we saw 40 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: each other in Sapain a few weeks ago. 41 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 5: Yep, thanks for asking me again. It's a pleasure to 42 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 5: be here and I'm just happy to help you guys 43 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 5: out and talk about multitude technology. You could wake me 44 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 5: up anytime for doing that, so. 45 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: I love it. 46 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, Matt, Well, we were scorching in sepain, you 47 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 2: were freezing in New York, but I still think I'd 48 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: rather have been at Spaine sweating. When I hear those 49 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: motor GP bikes start in the morning, there's no better 50 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: sound than that. 51 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, no motor GP happening in New York. The only 52 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 4: thing that was happening in New York was snowplaows for 53 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 4: a couple of weeks there. But yeah, it's the it's 54 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 4: the beginning of It's the best time of the year 55 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 4: preseason testing, because you know, there's the phony war that's 56 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: going on. Who's developing, who's not, who's you know, who's sambagging, 57 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 4: who's playing games. We finally start to get some answers 58 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 4: this weekend at Burhan. But we've had two pretty interesting 59 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 4: tests and maybe not quite the pecking order that we 60 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: thought coming in because there's different manufacturers that are coming 61 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 4: up against some different problems. Fabio Corduro's body language would 62 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 4: probably tell you with what's going on with Yamaha at 63 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 4: the moment. 64 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yamaha is definitely a talking point, and I think 65 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 2: we're gonna save that one. Let's let's wait, let's let's 66 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: leave everybody hooked on the edge for him, and it's 67 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: like a good movie here. Let's start at the top 68 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: and for me, I feel like I want to start 69 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: with a Prillier because what we saw and what me 70 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: and Peter spoke about in Spain. 71 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: It felt like a Prillier looked really strong early on. 72 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: It felt like they found something straight away, they were 73 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 2: good to go, and then they were in to put 74 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: the lapse. Now we know coming into Boyram, this is 75 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: a track that seemed to suit some of. 76 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: The A Prillier riders last year. 77 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: It's the first time we've seen Juge Martin back on 78 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: the bike. Iagura was this magician here last year and 79 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: then seemed to fade out through about the rest of 80 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: the year. But we've seen Bears strongth from the get go, 81 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: as well as Raoul Fernandez. Peter, what have you seen 82 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: from a Prilliers apart from some funny looking arrow on 83 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: the tail unit? 84 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to. It's quite it's quite ReSpectacle that 85 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 5: watching an a prelliermotorg fed Bui because it's so weird, 86 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 5: it's so prototype, it's so special. I love it from 87 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 5: a technical point of view, but see it has nothing 88 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 5: to do with the normal motorbike as we thought we 89 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 5: knew it. But yeah, it works, it does the trick. 90 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 5: They're very very clever. Yeah, you start with the one 91 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 5: I was expecting you to start with the one we 92 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 5: all expect to to to to rule the championship again, 93 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 5: to cut it, but let's start with a pretty because 94 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 5: I'm really really uh and to just buy what I 95 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 5: prilly have done. So they closed for me. They closed 96 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 5: the gap to the Gatti, I think completely. And they 97 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 5: did it with just one rider, which is unbelievable because 98 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 5: the strength of the Gatti, as we all know, is 99 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 5: having input from a lot of riders. I'm working very 100 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 5: very cleverly with all the them, but they have just 101 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 5: one because the other one sabotage his career all year. 102 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 5: Is only good in was only good in the beginning 103 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 5: of the especially Yeah, but wasn't able to give a 104 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 5: lot of proper feedback. But Oftenandless is not known for 105 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 5: giving any proper feedback at all, So it was it's 106 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 5: down to one right. It means this engineers there in 107 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 5: no Wala, they very very deeply understand what they're doing, 108 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 5: so they can develop a bike, improve it, improve on 109 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 5: it with with just one rider's input, which in all 110 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 5: respect I got in mind might work here a little bit. 111 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 5: It's not an alien. It's probably going to be the 112 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 5: world champion this year, don't I'm not surprised if he is. 113 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 5: But he's not an alien. So yeah, heads off to 114 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 5: a pretty big big time because they they improved without 115 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 5: any downside on it, which is very very hard on 116 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 5: the current level. Emotig you found something here, ah shit, 117 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 5: one week later we learned we lost something over there. 118 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 5: Sapang is very very different from from Budiram and on 119 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 5: both tracks they are just completely there, unbelievably impressed by 120 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 5: a prelioge performance of or they will be there all 121 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 5: year back. I mean he's a weird guy. I mean, 122 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 5: here's a character, but he's also such a talent. As 123 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 5: soon as he gets his ship together, which he seemed 124 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 5: to be now he's immediately flying, showing how good the 125 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 5: bake is. You give him a good bake, you give 126 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 5: him a little bit of pressure and said go for 127 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 5: one lap, and the guy is amazing, amazing. So where 128 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 5: he come from, I mean, he did a lot of 129 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 5: things wrong himself list year, but still he's such a 130 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 5: talent and if he gets his share together, and Aprelier 131 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 5: as always been very very kind to friendly with him, 132 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 5: he's he's going to probably have a super sip good area, 133 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 5: which is not thanks to him. I need to see. 134 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 4: It's interesting, Peter, like you both mentioned that that you know, 135 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 4: some teams, some manufacturers take time to warm up through 136 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 4: the preseason, and these guys were just on it from 137 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 4: the moment that Sepang started, and the level has it's 138 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 4: certainly not dipped, it's just slightly methodically risen the whole 139 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: way through these two tests. What do you put that 140 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 4: down to, Peter, because you mentioned before that you know 141 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 4: Marco Berzeki's in a position with this manufacturer that I 142 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 4: don't think they hired Beds to be this. I don't 143 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 4: think there's win there. I don't think there's went there 144 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 4: to be this. But because of this weird because of 145 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 4: this weird set of circumstances with Jujai Martin, almost this 146 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 4: like perfect sort of alchemy has happened between the rider 147 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 4: and the team and the technical direction, and it's maybe 148 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 4: taken them to a higher ceiling than they might have 149 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 4: got otherwise. 150 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 5: That's a super good explanation because that that's what happened 151 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 5: with him as a rider. It's not like I didn't 152 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 5: wade him. He was I think he was thirty in 153 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 5: his first year in multiply rookie of the year, so yeah, 154 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 5: he could do something. But then the next year on 155 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 5: a difficult d Gatti, he struggled more. He struggled hugely, 156 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 5: a lot. It was a difficult model year of Dugatti 157 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 5: he had, but he struggled a lot and then a 158 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 5: pretty a choshi. They chose him to be the second 159 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 5: rider behind the guy that was supposed to lead for them, 160 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 5: and then didn't do that horamat In. But this almost 161 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 5: perfect It turned out to be like a perfect storm 162 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 5: for him. He grew so much with the confidence they 163 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 5: gave him. He just got better under that pressure and 164 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 5: and very very calm and took us time to learn 165 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 5: if we got back just one year, but he was 166 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 5: because he didn't have the best range we can in 167 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 5: the first half of the year was not great from Marco. 168 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 5: But where we are now, what a different guy it is. 169 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 5: It's so interesting to see how radus can it's almost 170 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 5: exploding instead of growing a couple of months. Becomes so 171 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 5: much better if you put them in a certain set 172 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 5: of circumstances. Yeah, Marco is probably a hope for everyone 173 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 5: who struggles a little bit bitter because when everything when 174 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 5: all the ducks are in a row, it can it 175 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 5: can a lot can happen. 176 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: And the funny thing renated for me. I was just 177 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 4: going to add just real quick. And we talked about 178 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 4: this last time we had Peter on. I know Massimo 179 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 4: Riveler from his F one days, and I know the 180 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 4: type of I know the type of man manager he is, 181 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 4: and the thing I like about watching that team operate 182 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 4: is that he is the figurehead, as he's supposed to be, 183 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: but he allows the people to do their jobs in 184 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 4: their position of expertise. So everyone's coming at their work 185 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 4: from a position of belief and confidence. And Peter's here 186 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 4: to talk about the technical side of things. I'm going 187 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: to just channel vibes here because that's my specialty. But 188 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 4: there's something about watching the way that team works that 189 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 4: you're not surprised that it's working, and I think a 190 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 4: lot of that comes from the top. I love the 191 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 4: way he manages this group. Even when everything was going 192 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 4: terribly last year with Jje Martin, he had every reason 193 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 4: to react in a very different way and didn't. I 194 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 4: thought that was super interesting because of what it meant 195 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 4: in the moment but also the message that sent to 196 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 4: the rest of that team, and I just really they're 197 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 4: obviously not a massive organization compared to some of them, 198 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 4: but talk about getting the most out of what they've got. 199 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 4: I think that starts with him at the very top. 200 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 5: You nailed it completely, Dawn, mate. You nailed it completely 201 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 5: up to the point that I was thinking, hmm, well, 202 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 5: I mean somewhere deep inside, it must have hurt a lot, 203 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 5: because they stood up for every time he fucked up again, 204 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 5: and they every time raised that had yet it's probably 205 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 5: our fould Probably our faults. We sent you out again 206 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 5: with the medium tie. It was not was you know, 207 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 5: he hurts himself in a supermoto accident when it's zero degrees, 208 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 5: So sorry, we will. They always said, no, no, no, you 209 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 5: are with us, You are with it. I mean, that's 210 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 5: what you mean. But he himself turned in the middle 211 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 5: of the season his back to them, say ah, by 212 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 5: the way, I'm going to Homna and now okay, we're 213 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 5: going ahead a little bit of it. So he's a character. 214 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 5: But they managed him very very well. And yeah, like 215 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 5: you said, they that's super super clever because you can't 216 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 5: change what happened, and you have to deal a couple 217 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 5: of more months of years even with your team, so 218 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 5: better support them. But deep deep inside he has done 219 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 5: some pain in Auprelia. But yeah, they managed that team 220 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 5: very very well, they seem, and that they seem you 221 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 5: don't notice that it's actually very small factory. You don't 222 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 5: notice it because they have everything started. So yeah, again 223 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 5: you'd a lot of a lot of praise for them 224 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 5: for the atmosphere. And this is actually the team that 225 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 5: until not that long ago, was to work in the box. 226 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 5: Sometimes I had my question mark over the decision making 227 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 5: in the box during the weekends, but they could easily 228 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 5: have one super good race and then the next weekend 229 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 5: when they couldn't find the way on Friday morning, they 230 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 5: never found it all weekend, which was a bit of 231 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 5: a end. They had a little bit too many like 232 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 5: silly little bad luck things and at some point it's 233 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 5: not just bad luck that it's just you know, pike 234 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 5: that go out of the pit box and then alfa 235 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 5: halvep it stops that shouldn't happen, And these little simple 236 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 5: things happened a little bit too much until recently at Aprilia. 237 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 5: But step by step they are there completely ready to 238 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 5: fight for the championship with another riders. They were expecting 239 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 5: it to do well. 240 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: That's the thing I wanted to bring up just before 241 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: is we saw the announcement of Marco re signing with 242 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: A twenty twenty seven, one of the first official ones 243 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: to come out. Do you think this year is Marco 244 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 2: Petzeki going to be the one who can challenge Mark 245 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: Markeev for the championship? 246 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 4: Yes, straight on the. 247 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: Money there. 248 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 5: He will. I expect him to do it because first 249 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 5: of all, Marco, let's start. Let's start by Mark mcas. 250 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 5: He's vulnerable. He's more vulnerable than ever because if nothing 251 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 5: goes wrong with Mark, I put my little money that 252 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 5: I that I have on his championship. But he's vulnerable, 253 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 5: so be careful there. Marco Bzeki seems to be not 254 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 5: vulnerable at all. He can accept Okay, this is P seven. 255 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 5: That's it for today. I had a shit start, or 256 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 5: I'm stuck behind somebody, that's it. He doesn't do any 257 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 5: emotionally and you know a little bit silly pressure mistakes 258 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 5: or decisions. He's calm and calm springs Championship because you 259 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 5: win on your bad days, not on your good day, 260 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 5: the good days will be there with you really are. 261 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 5: So I'm not saying he's going to be world champion, 262 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 5: but he's he's like him and Pakawa for me, the 263 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 5: guys that that will have the best chance shortly after Mike, 264 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 5: and probably because if so, then it's because Mark did 265 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 5: something which he showed us like yesterday, in the day 266 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 5: before yesterday. It's very very capable of doing and repeating 267 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 5: that this weekend again doing something silly and then stopping 268 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 5: his own his own chances. Mark doesn't bound so well 269 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 5: as he did when he was young, but he kept 270 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 5: on crashing. He did three crashes and the first one 271 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 5: was super silly and seriously fast. He was still just 272 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 5: fully upright when he lost it. He was he went 273 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 5: through his letters completely, which you don't often see him ootijip, 274 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 5: so that was a biggie. Unfortunately he didn't start to 275 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 5: tumble because if he tumbles now with his shoulder on 276 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 5: his age, ah, you need to be lucky to again 277 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 5: walk away like he did all his life. The habit 278 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 5: is really deep in the character there to immediately go 279 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 5: to the limit, go over the limit, see what happens. 280 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 5: Normally he saves it, and I learned from that. Hmm. 281 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 5: So he's still the fastest for me on the best bike, 282 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 5: but he's vulnerable and if you're if something goes wrong, 283 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 5: it's it's out of Michael Bozeki. You're back on at 284 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 5: that gym point, and probably is broller as well, but 285 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 5: it's brother want fight him that hard? 286 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 4: Well that's a that's a separate podcast pleader, isn't it. 287 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 4: But you've said, yeah, yeah, you've segued us quite nicely 288 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 4: into Decati because the question I think we're all wanting 289 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 4: after last year, because I mean I got sick of 290 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 4: writing about it. You probably got sick of talking about it. 291 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 4: Is is this a GP twenty five? Is it a 292 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 4: twenty four? Is it a twenty four point one? Is 293 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 4: it a twenty six point zero? What is this thing? 294 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 4: So this year it's twenty twenty six, we know they've 295 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 4: got the engine frozen. What arrow are they going to use? 296 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 4: Because we know they came to the first test with 297 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 4: something and then they started testing something else like this 298 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 4: is a bit of a Frankenstein's monster of a bike. 299 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 4: Now we've got to this last year of the regulation set, 300 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 4: So what exactly is the factory team going to run 301 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 4: this year. 302 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 5: Ah, very very two doy twenty four. They didn't know 303 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 5: how good two twenty four what's actually until they started 304 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 5: to try to improve the ruin. It made it to 305 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 5: twenty twenty five. So they were so lucky that the 306 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 5: twenty twenty four engine was homologated. They are so lucky 307 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 5: at the Cuddy they have so many engines in different 308 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 5: team that the twenty four engine is they can backpedal 309 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 5: on their engine or the manufacturers could cannot, so they can. 310 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 5: They're they're for me that that that's the thing. They 311 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 5: went back to the twenty twenty four engine and use 312 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 5: some of the things that grew good or not twenty five. 313 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 5: But the twenty five bike was very very difficult. So yeah, 314 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 5: they have their They didn't make a new bike, and 315 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 5: especially when you look at the arrow. That was the 316 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 5: interesting thing from this test again. The first day in 317 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 5: Sapunk they had some dramatically new front faring looks like 318 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 5: KTM and Aprilia now has as well. They had something 319 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 5: similar and after half day we never saw it again. 320 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 5: They are now the only choice they basically have to 321 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 5: make now this week for what errow they will homologate 322 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 5: is between twenty twenty four twenty five. It's quite likely 323 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 5: twenty twenty four all the best laps we're done in 324 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 5: twenty twenty four. Arrow so, and it's also a sign 325 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 5: of I think it's a sign of how much had 326 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 5: of the world, of the rest of the world. Tagutti isvent. 327 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 5: It's about Arrow. They already had something very very good 328 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 5: in twenty twenty five, then tried a little bit left 329 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 5: now right, Oh, easy spoiled. We can't get any better 330 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 5: with As long as bikes have this dimension that's hit unbelievable, 331 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 5: everybody else is to throwing parts at it to really 332 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 5: surprise that something doesn't work or works a lot better 333 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 5: at than everything. And d Gutti already oight on the 334 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 5: top of the pyramid. That's it. That's it for Arrow 335 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 5: unbelievea case. 336 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 4: So the logical step from that question then is if 337 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 4: we're thinking that Ducaddi is more twenty twenty four spec 338 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 4: du Catti, what does that do for the rider hierarchy there? 339 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 4: Because we saw Alex Marquez have the best season of 340 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 4: his Murder VP career last year, and a season that 341 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 4: we probably never really saw coming because he was, as 342 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 4: it turned out, riding the best model of the Ducatti 343 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 4: on the grid. You could almost say that Mark won 344 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 4: the championship maybe in spite of what he was riding 345 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 4: last year, not because of it. And we saw Peco 346 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 4: just the most baffling season of all time. So if 347 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 4: they're all we're assuming on very very similar spect bikes. Now, 348 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 4: if they're going back to this twenty twenty four, what 349 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 4: do you think that does for the rider dynamic? How 350 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 4: far ahead is marked? And then this whole Peco Alex 351 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 4: thing last year that was probably different to the way 352 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 4: all of us thought it was going to turn out. 353 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 4: Do you see that maybe going back towards Banyai this 354 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 4: year simply because he's got something that he can believe in. 355 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I'm going to make it complicated. Still, I 356 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 5: still think that twenty twenty five was not a bad bike. 357 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 5: It got a bad bike for normal people. Normal people 358 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 5: like really good guys that can be world champion in 359 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 5: AFRIC class except moment, but it's still below Mark macass 360 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 5: That was Yes, they didn't took off wrong turn from 361 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 5: twenty twenty five to twenty twenty five. Indicati, they just 362 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 5: made a step too much because they do a lot 363 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 5: with Ai. They do a lot with taking out emotions, 364 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 5: just facts, facts, facts. But in twenty twenty four they 365 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 5: also saw a lot of new data comming from another 366 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 5: guy on a twenty three Ducati that is like dangerous 367 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 5: data to feed into a system. But part of that 368 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 5: data led to the twenty twenty five bike, and the 369 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 5: result was for me not a bad bike, but the 370 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 5: bike that was even for Mark difficult to ride, but 371 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 5: when he was riding it it was better. It was 372 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 5: the best, but only for him, with all his concentration 373 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 5: and everything, it was even better than the twenty twenty four. 374 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 5: For everybody else was a disaster. It gives so little 375 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 5: and weird feedback that they couldn't get a head around it, 376 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 5: and then lost their heads so they backpedaled a little 377 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 5: bit as a result. As a result, it will be 378 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 5: like relatively easier for everybody to go just as fast 379 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 5: from very very close to Mark. Mark has less areas 380 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 5: now to make the difference. And at the same time, 381 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 5: like I said, he's he appears to me really vulnerable 382 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 5: since that crash with bark Obseki last year and the 383 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 5: way he looked. He looks suddenly older and tired and 384 00:18:55,480 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 5: keeps crashing, so everybody. I expect to cut the The 385 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 5: ducats are have improved a little bit and they're all 386 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 5: more closer to all the riders will be closer to 387 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 5: each other, having more chances, which if you're clever with 388 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 5: s Mark is could be in adventures for him because 389 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 5: they're stealing points from each other. But if he bounces 390 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 5: one time too many, it's gone interesting. 391 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: I want to go to the other side of the 392 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: factory G Catty team for a second and talk about 393 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 2: Pecker because it seems like we've seen a switch or 394 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 2: something change. 395 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, Pecker seems back. Now. 396 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: I don't want to like jinx him and I don't 397 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 3: want to jump ahead. 398 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: But in Sepang we heard positive things. But what's been 399 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: the outcome from the buyram test. 400 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: Is is this positive? 401 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 2: Is this trajectory that he's on going to stick around? Peter, 402 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: do you think he's he's back? 403 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 5: Well, what happened last year was so weirded back or 404 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 5: so we all have to be very very careful. But 405 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 5: if it was any other situation, you will be one 406 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 5: hundred percentual each back. But it's beco and we've seen 407 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 5: last year, so I'm going to be a little bit careful, 408 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 5: but Nina, no, I'm ninety nine percent suries back because 409 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 5: I remember the first day last year in the Sapunk test, 410 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 5: he and Mark came up to the media center and 411 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 5: they both looked worried, especially Peco. This is we are fast, 412 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 5: but it's a weird bike and it doesn't stop very well. 413 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 5: It doesn't give me the concept the first word he said, 414 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 5: and he kept repeating it all year long. The bike 415 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 5: never became a lot better. So and now he comes 416 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 5: back after the first day. You were there as well 417 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 5: as said, whoa, whoa, Okay, this is okay. Now you 418 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 5: can't make that up. You don't make that up. I 419 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 5: heard from people that know him quite well, and they 420 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 5: told me things that were not surprisingly, but like, you 421 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 5: really don't want any changes. When he's the type of 422 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 5: guy that you give him something, don't touch it, give 423 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 5: him all the time to get used to it. Then 424 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 5: he extracts everything from that package. Don't go the next 425 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 5: race and change the right height again, or put another 426 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 5: right eye system or another spring in his front falk 427 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 5: because even when it might be in might be theoretically 428 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 5: about it, but debill cost him too much time to 429 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 5: get used to it. He hates changes, very conservative gay. 430 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 4: It's interesting though, because he said last year a couple 431 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 4: of times that he said, I'm not the most adaptable rider, 432 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 4: which is you know, you know, we knew that, but 433 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 4: it's something for someone to admit that in the moment. 434 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 4: And the thing I always think with Peco is that 435 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 4: the sweet spot is really really narrow, but when he 436 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 4: gets himself in it, he can just churning. We saw 437 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 4: it in twenty three and twenty four. He can just 438 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 4: churn out races where it feels like there's no one 439 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 4: else there and he's racing basically against himself because he 440 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 4: can be so good when he's in that narrow sweet spot. 441 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 4: And last year he fell into the sweet spot in Motegi, 442 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 4: and he fell into the sweet spot in Malaysia to 443 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 4: an extent, and the rest of the time he couldn't 444 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 4: see it with a telescope. He's all over the place. 445 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 4: And so if this bike is more forgiving this year 446 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 4: and he can get himself back into that happy place, 447 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 4: then yeah, I can absolutely see where. 448 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 5: He's going to be. 449 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: But what is that sweet spot? What is it that 450 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 2: he's needing from the bike? Is it front end feeling 451 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: or confidence there is that where he was. 452 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 5: It's front end, which is so understandable, which is so 453 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 5: understandable if any team that has a reasonable or a 454 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 5: good level asked me to come in as a consultant 455 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 5: and speak with the either and see the results. Sometimes 456 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 5: I do it jokingly because I always know when I 457 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 5: make a joke and say I know already what's going 458 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 5: to be your problem, and then they're all like, oh 459 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 5: really yeah, because and it's so easy to say it's 460 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 5: not because it's because that is the what is the 461 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 5: scariest part of racing a motorpike. It's going into the 462 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 5: corner with a lot of brake pressure. Because when that's 463 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,239 Speaker 5: when you overdo that, it goes so fucking fast, it's 464 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 5: flick and you're on your ass and you hurt yourself. 465 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 5: And while mid corner, like the two crashes that that 466 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 5: Mark made this weekend, are just simple. You know, there 467 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 5: are no surprises. You're already fighting that that's front end 468 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 5: going white white, White's thinking you save it safe, it saved. 469 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 5: Oh no, just let's go and when we are accelerating 470 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 5: over the rear. Electronics helps you a lot, give you 471 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 5: a lot of feedback when you crash over the rear. 472 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 5: You really need elected all the signals and try and 473 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 5: thinking you were a lot better than you really are, 474 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 5: but then you really did something against all the warnings. 475 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 5: But going into corners with a super amount of brake 476 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 5: pressure and having all that pressure on your front tire 477 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 5: while it's already leaning a lot. When it lets go there, 478 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 5: it's usually super super fast, and that costs you confidence 479 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 5: because that's also where all the time is. Thirty percent 480 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 5: of the lap time they are on the brakes, so 481 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 5: there's a lot more time to be gained during breaking 482 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 5: than an acceleration because they're not thirty percent of the 483 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 5: time of all gas. I can tell you that the 484 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 5: three hundred doorge power, So that's where all the lab 485 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 5: time is. Bikes don't stop, look at cash cash, hit 486 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 5: the brake, it start to turn in. Bikes hit the brakes, 487 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 5: sit there forever and then start to turn in. Bikes 488 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 5: don't stop. Because the center grafty is quite high. It's 489 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 5: a short motorbike, it real immediately topple over. So the 490 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 5: guy that starts to break later is not the guy 491 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 5: that breaks more effectively in the straight line. Usually it's 492 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 5: the guy that can turn in with a lot of 493 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 5: brake pressure. Someone you know. You have to look at 494 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 5: some of the pictures I think I posted one one 495 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 5: or two weeks ago from the Punk. Zarko turned into 496 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 5: the super slow turned nine in the Punk and he 497 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 5: had already his knee on the ground and the fork 498 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 5: was still on the bottom. That's an unbelievable amount of 499 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 5: pressure you have on your front tie theret a lot, 500 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 5: a lot of confidence, and if you overdo that a 501 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 5: little bit at that moment is just what and you're gone. 502 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 5: So at that slow speed corner, it doesn't hurt you, 503 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 5: it's just you found you look for the faster corners. 504 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 5: Bo can be scary. If that happens a couple of times, 505 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 5: then you don't lose one or two tenths, then you're 506 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 5: immediately looking at half a second. Yeah, and it takes 507 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 5: a lot of time to get that back. Remember that 508 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 5: Packer was also he never wanted this longer front fork 509 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 5: from lands, and then when he struggled forever, he went 510 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 5: into the longer ones and as soon as he had 511 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 5: an okay feeling went back to he doesn't want any changes. 512 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 5: If it was up to him, we will still be 513 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 5: riding in twenty twenty chap bike over there, you know, 514 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 5: really something that it was used to. But yeah, you 515 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 5: know we're now sorry, I said better not probably what 516 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 5: you're also meaning when he said we have to be 517 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 5: careful is he's been fast and spunk even last year packo. 518 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 5: So having a good feeling there in the test doesn't 519 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 5: probably mean everything was it. It was not last year, 520 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 5: but the year before when he did something super super 521 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 5: brave in Burdhi Ram as well into the last lap 522 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 5: trying to outbreak everybody over the curbs there. I mean, 523 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 5: she she, It's not an easy track to overtake, but 524 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 5: he at least gave it everything. So yeah, nearly nearly 525 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 5: made it work there would have made him immortal and 526 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 5: that would have been the classic movie. He just didn't 527 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 5: do it. But yeah, he so that track shoots him. 528 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 5: It's it's too early. But then nah no, I really 529 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 5: hope I'm not screwing hisself. 530 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: And now that goes back, that goes back, and I 531 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: like Jason at the moment, right, I think as well. 532 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 5: He's such a gentleman. You have to love Paco even 533 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 5: more when he struggled, because everybody can be a win 534 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 5: and then be very generous and have a lot of 535 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 5: attention for it. No, no, no, it's when they don't win, 536 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 5: and he did not win a lot last year. He's 537 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 5: such a gentleman, you know, and he kept me so 538 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 5: honestly he feels I mean, it's almost like painful to 539 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 5: be close to him with your recorder and listen having 540 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 5: to ask him question because you see it hurts. But 541 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 5: he's open. He doesn't he's put the shield around him 542 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 5: because I'm in trouble, which I will fully understand, but no, 543 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 5: the doors are open. I'm hurting. 544 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 4: Well, you're right, there's there's something. He's very authentic, I 545 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 4: think is the word that. 546 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 5: I used to him. 547 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 4: And you're right, like when you when you're sitting there 548 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 4: listening to him talking minute detail about just how dreadful 549 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 4: everything's been and how down on confidence he is, like 550 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 4: you need someone to come and give him a hug. 551 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 4: It's actually sad to listen to a lot of the 552 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 4: time because he is big, so honest about it all. 553 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 4: But related, we've talked about a parlier in J CADDI 554 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 4: so far, which is clearly one or two of whatever 555 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 4: order you want to be. And I'm really interested to 556 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 4: see Peter's response here when we ask him who's next 557 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 4: in the pecking order? Is it Honda or is it KTM, 558 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 4: because KTM is almost two different questions. There's a Pedro 559 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 4: Acosta KTM and there's everyone else KTM. So who is 560 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 4: in your mind paid next in that pecking order based 561 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 4: on what you've seen in testing. 562 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 5: And already said it there? 563 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 4: Okay, so it's a cost room. 564 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 5: But don't have an alien. There's only three aliens. Hold 565 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 5: don't have an alien, and they're all, okay, that bike 566 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 5: there is there. That bike's already that's guy's stars are 567 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 5: looking at it if they think for the next year. 568 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 5: This year still has to start, but we're all speaking 569 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 5: about the next year. Where everybody wants to go. You 570 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 5: want to go to Honda because they have the momentum. 571 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 5: They went in the deepest, lowest point possible and but 572 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 5: went back up and they really have some momentum coming 573 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 5: now and they're working in a good way. There's no 574 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 5: luck at Honda. They know what they're doing and they're 575 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 5: working super hard. They're reacting very hard. They build a 576 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 5: solid base and they know also when to stop experimenting 577 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 5: because they know or very since valentialized. They're on a 578 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 5: super good level and it's so easy to screw it 579 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 5: up now, so it only makes a minor small changes. 580 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 5: Look a Marina is very very bond for them in 581 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 5: that area. And Maria's just it's an emotional racing animal 582 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,239 Speaker 5: that will prove what's possible be the bike if it's 583 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 5: good enough and if you forget to crash and Zarko 584 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 5: does his Sarko think says a couple of times makes 585 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 5: his all chair and I'm very happy. But you can't 586 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 5: rely on him. So they need an alien. And so 587 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 5: they're walking around through the big Shack book for an 588 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 5: alien because the bikes already for an alien. 589 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 4: But isn't that interesting though, because you rewind twelve months, 590 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 4: they absolutely were not ready for an alien. There was 591 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 4: no point them having an alien. They didn't have a 592 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 4: machine for So what's change? I mean this it feels 593 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 4: like this has changed really quite quickly. I mean, I 594 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 4: know it's been a gradual burn over the last twelve months, 595 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 4: but it wasn't that long ago that they were You 596 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 4: remember the Japanese cup at the back of the pack. 597 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 4: We used to talk about all the time. They were 598 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 4: just hopeless towards the bag and the fact they haven't 599 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 4: had the alien And you said before, you've got the 600 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 4: the analytical mind of Luca Marini, who loves to explain 601 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 4: things in minute. And then you've got Juan Mier who 602 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 4: will ride a bike within in each of its and 603 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 4: probably over it to try and find out where the 604 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 4: limit is, like almost stumbled across. Like the perfect combination 605 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 4: of personalities to bring that bike forward. 606 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, but they brought in these personalities and Romino Abushano 607 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 5: and Elizas Pargo and his school year. Yeah, because something 608 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 5: bigger has changed in Japan in my opinion, that's that's 609 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 5: the only way I can explain it on the HC. 610 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 5: Just like most of the Japanese company are super conservative, 611 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 5: so they hate They're like Packo, there's something in common. 612 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 5: They hate changes. So we did things in a certain way, 613 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 5: we keep doing them in a certain way. And they 614 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 5: completely lost the speed of development. And then know how, 615 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 5: in the years with Mark, it was only when Mark 616 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 5: not suffered, but when Mark said, please, how much money 617 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 5: you have to give you that I can go back 618 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 5: to write another motorbike for free, that shock went so 619 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 5: deep in home the HG that something really deep suddenly 620 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 5: started to change and they give some of the leadership 621 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 5: away to European techniques that are ahead of the game. 622 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 5: Reacted Quicker stopped a lot playing the safe thing because 623 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 5: now Home does blowing up engines left or right? Can 624 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 5: you believe that Homda blowing up engines? And don't mind 625 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 5: this is unbelievable, but it is, I mean in your 626 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 5: country too. On the start finished straight. Now that's the thing. Eh, 627 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 5: So they really changed. But for me that that could 628 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 5: be almost only because they saw Mark running away. That 629 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 5: was enough. That was like, okay, there's a lot of 630 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 5: singles we are behind. But if even Mark walks away, 631 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 5: we either stop, which they were probably very close to. 632 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 5: All we do is probably in Asa she is mighty. 633 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 5: When Asa she really wants, they can do everything. They 634 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 5: can go to the moon next week. It's unbelievable. And 635 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 5: now in Yama, I think something similar is happening. When 636 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 5: it comes down when really Fabio is gonna tell the 637 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 5: world next week, two three weeks, how guys, that's it? 638 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 5: Then probably something will change big enough because what they 639 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 5: have changed that Yama is not enough to give a 640 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 5: lot of leadership. They bought a lot of Europeans, they 641 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 5: bring a lot of people to Europe, but apparently somewhere 642 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 5: in Japan or in the whole chain. I think it's 643 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 5: in Japan. There is still a huge bottleneck which delays everybody. 644 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 5: I'm so disappointed in Yama has speed of development so 645 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 5: and that's not a lack of no just like it 646 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 5: never was a lack of nohow or possibilities in Asac. 647 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 5: That's the same with Yama. It's just like a culture 648 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 5: of problem, another technical problem. To change the culture is 649 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 5: harder than to change the crank at firing order. 650 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yeah, Peter, I wanted to ask you. 651 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 2: Last year we saw a clear difference between Soaker and 652 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: then the factory Hondas. 653 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: But now it seems like rolls are reverse. 654 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: When we're seeing Zaker struggling to feel comfortable on the 655 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,479 Speaker 2: bike and we're seeing the other two excel. 656 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 3: What's going on there? 657 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: What's happening with that? Yes? 658 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 5: Ka was interesting, eh. And it's the only guy that 659 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 5: already has a contract for next year. Well that's another podcast. 660 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 5: But I don't know if he has any friends. But 661 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 5: if everybody is happy with the bike, he's not happy 662 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 5: with the bike. And if everybody hates it, he puts 663 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 5: it on the podium. So he's good in your team 664 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 5: because he has a different opinion and shows that in 665 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 5: a different way, there are also results possible. But yeah, 666 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 5: it's really really very he's never done enough when he 667 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 5: was on the factory, the cuttish in Brahmak. But just 668 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 5: when you say, oh, let's forget about the guy, he 669 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 5: wins it actually in your country, correct or he puts 670 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 5: it somewhere else on the pot. You know it's and 671 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 5: it's a very interesting guy. But he has something in 672 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 5: common with Peco. When you listen to him. He he's 673 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 5: not waiting or expecting a lot from the bike. He 674 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,719 Speaker 5: wants the bike to not change a lot, and then 675 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 5: work on himself, on himself, on himself, because he knows 676 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 5: that if he gets in the groove and find his zone, 677 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 5: a lot, a lot, a lot is possible. So he's 678 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 5: very careful with his scrooge if not to change too much. 679 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 5: It's probably more in me. It's in me, it's in me. 680 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 5: But when it doesn't come from him, then they and 681 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 5: he expects them or hope that they push the right 682 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 5: button and do the right click, and then he tries again. 683 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 5: He's not a guy that you can give a new 684 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 5: arrow sat every thirty minutes and then go out and 685 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 5: see if it's better or not, because you just try 686 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 5: him completely. So he's very important because of all of 687 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 5: his experience and of his different approach to how to 688 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 5: make the lap time. It's probably not the best development, right, 689 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 5: I mean, riders don't develop the bike, but still or 690 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 5: rather feedback, especially on the level of Luco Marini, is important. 691 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 4: So you just said they're not the best development rider, 692 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 4: which is the perfect segue for my next question, Peter, 693 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 4: because you mentioned that they need an alien, and it 694 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 4: looks like they're about to get one. Are they getting 695 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 4: the right alien, Because if there's one thing we know 696 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 4: about Fabio Couaduro, well there's two things. He can extract 697 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 4: pole positions that you can analyze or he could just 698 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 4: laugh at because it's just so fun to watch someone 699 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 4: nearly crashing on every single quarter and getting a pole 700 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 4: position out of a bike. But Fabio's reputation is of 701 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 4: a guy who is, shall we say, not the greatest 702 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 4: developer of a motorcycle and probably not the most patient either. 703 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 4: So they need an alien. But if they got the 704 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 4: right one. 705 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 5: No, no, they should have had a costa. Yeah, of course, 706 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 5: he will fit the Bible Saw a lot better because 707 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 5: it's not a of Coursta. Will will have a big 708 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 5: challenge on his hands when he goes to Dugati because 709 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 5: to learn to write Dugatti fast is not easy. It's 710 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 5: not easy. You have to overrule all your racing instincts 711 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 5: that you learned from since the first time you went 712 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 5: into wheels. Everything is different from the Dugatti, so they should. 713 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 5: I think a Costa will be better fit for Honda, 714 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 5: but for for whatever reason, of course, had his mindset 715 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 5: completely under Dukatti, and I mean credits to him. He 716 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 5: probably will have zero salary there, but he chooses to 717 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 5: go there, so I mean we all think he goes there. 718 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 5: So yeah. But then on the other hand, a Costa, 719 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 5: we call him an alien for a couple of years, 720 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 5: but he has not won one motagiped race. He has 721 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 5: thrown away a couple of options that were really on 722 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 5: the table. So the guy has been up and down, 723 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 5: and I think mostly thanks to AKII, we didn't lost 724 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 5: it completely. The payroll course that now comes to the 725 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 5: press room, it's a thirty five year old warrior that 726 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 5: has seen everything in super calm. Instead of an eighty 727 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 5: year old kid that only wants to say fuck and 728 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 5: big balls and then goes out and either win or 729 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 5: put it in the gravel trap. What the change has 730 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 5: he made in half a year? Unbelievable, unbelievable, really really good. 731 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 5: So yeah, what you get with Fabia Quarradu is a 732 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 5: lot of emotions. Uh, but you also get a super 733 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 5: amount of talent because this was not the greatest five 734 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 5: year shorty show last week. And this is hard to see, 735 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 5: but I can tell you one thing for sure. If 736 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 5: someday the light goes out, he gives it all. If 737 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 5: he goes out for Q one and he knows he's 738 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 5: never going to go to Q two, he will give 739 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 5: it all. So in a way they have a good alien. 740 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 5: If the bike is anywhere near okay, he's like Joe 741 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 5: a mere point two, you know, a better mirror. Ways, 742 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 5: why is it clothes? We give everything and he has 743 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 5: a lot more to give the ye a lot more so, Yeah, 744 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 5: for development and for peace in that side of the 745 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 5: box and harmony. I'm not so sure about har you. 746 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 5: But he also can turn around quickly. He doesn't better grunch, 747 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 5: So yeah, it's going to be a handful to handle it. 748 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 5: All better preach. Now, that's a challenge. I can see 749 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 5: that's coming because everybody loves our better preach except the journalist. 750 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 5: But have a huge respective because he stands there for 751 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 5: the right. You know, see what happens in Honda when 752 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 5: when he's there A yeah. 753 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 4: So that's a that's a reality TV series. We need 754 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 4: to see the reality TV series. Those are the lives 755 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,959 Speaker 4: of Fabio and Alberto for sure. 756 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,919 Speaker 2: Hey guys, Honda Social Media and marketing team definitely get 757 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 2: onto that. 758 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: We'll take some commissioner for the idea. 759 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 3: He'll that you mentioned there. 760 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 2: Before we go into everything else, I want to talk 761 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 2: about KTM because once again we're seeing this clear difference 762 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 2: that Matt you said before. We're seeing the Pedro show 763 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 2: and then we're seeing the rest of them. But one 764 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 2: thing that I heard and I wanted some clarification on 765 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 2: this is that it seems like the Katms. 766 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: Are starting to understand this rich shatter. 767 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 2: They're starting to like tire life isn't so much of 768 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 2: a worry for them this year in Pedro also seems 769 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 2: like he's way more confident coming into this season than last. Peter, 770 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 2: What's to go with this? This chatter in this retire 771 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 2: How have they managed that? 772 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, two years, which is more than one year too much. 773 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 5: They struggled a lot with the chatter from the super 774 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 5: crippy Ray Michelin writers in Sapang. There's a couple of 775 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 5: condresses Upang where you know if it's still there, it 776 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 5: will be here, and it was not there, so they 777 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 5: were being very carefully optimistic. More and more there were 778 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 5: a lot of new parts, seriously different new pats, a 779 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 5: lot more than I expected from and manufactured at one 780 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 5: year ago. We've thought properly doesn't even exist anymore. So 781 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 5: Sapan was really good here. I'm yeah, I'm not impressed. 782 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 5: I see that they still have more problems than I 783 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 5: was hoping them to see. The thing is in Buddy 784 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 5: Ram we have a very special rear tire that we 785 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 5: only get two three times a year. I think we 786 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 5: get in the red butt ring. We get it in 787 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 5: Budi Ram. There's probably one other track which is a 788 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 5: super real one that's a super way tired. As soon 789 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 5: as the bike gets more or less upright, it has 790 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 5: just no crip because it has super extra hard carcass 791 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 5: in the middle because of all the temperatures and all 792 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 5: the slipping and all the manufacturers learned to deal with it. 793 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 5: KTM never and apparently also not now. So what I'm 794 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 5: saying is that Sapang was for me more than real KTM. 795 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 5: But they will have they will have to raise for 796 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 5: the punch this weekend, and it's going to be really 797 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 5: really hard for them. But then we go to a 798 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 5: new track, to a normal track with probably normal tires, 799 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 5: and then we will see the sapunk KTM back. I 800 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 5: think I'm pretty sure Katie made a step that's not 801 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 5: good enough to bring them as a manufacturer up the 802 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 5: level of Honda. But thanks to our Costa, they will 803 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 5: still be Homda regularly because they have a Costa. 804 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 4: Ronita. We are thirty eightish minutes into this podcast, and 805 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 4: other than a quick drive by on Yamaha, we haven't 806 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 4: really talked about them yet, and I do have my 807 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 4: concerns that Yamaha might be about thirty eight seconds off 808 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 4: the win at some of these tracks with the way 809 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 4: things are going. Peter, you mentioned before that the rate 810 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 4: of progress is the disappointing aspect of what Yamaha is doing. 811 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,800 Speaker 4: That there is progress, but it's just super super super slow. 812 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 4: What positives, if any can we take out of the 813 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 4: preseason from Yamaha, Because the good news for Australian fans 814 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 4: Jack Miller was the fastest Yamaha and all the tests 815 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 4: that all the Burro and the bad news was that 816 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 4: he was like fourteenth or something and the rest of 817 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 4: them were absolutely nowhere and the top rack situation quite 818 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 4: I'm not super surprised because as accomplished as he is 819 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 4: three Superbike World Champion, he's still a twenty nine year 820 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 4: old by the GP rookie who's never written. 821 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 5: On these tires before. 822 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,439 Speaker 4: It's not a massive surprise that he's struggling, but maybe 823 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 4: not to this extent. But there is a lot to 824 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 4: unpack at Yamaha, and it feels from where we see 825 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 4: it that not a lot of it is great right now? 826 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 3: Yeah? 827 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 5: What to add? Jack Mail? Jack's the highlight of Yama. 828 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,879 Speaker 5: He's carrying the whole manufacturer on his shoulder because he's 829 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 5: always upbeat, always positive. Every time he goes out he 830 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 5: has a new bike, another setting a high low shot. 831 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 5: He's quite clever as well himself come up with ideas, 832 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,919 Speaker 5: so he's doing all the donkey work and always fast 833 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 5: enough to feel the difference. Not so fast that you 834 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 5: keep crashing or don't know how you did it, But 835 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 5: it doesn't help them a lot at the moment since 836 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,320 Speaker 5: they are just way too slow by bringing up real 837 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 5: important new patch. It's just the the base of development 838 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 5: is just super super slow, I mean worryingly slow. So yeah, 839 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 5: I feel sorry. I'm not sorry for because in a 840 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 5: way he feel sorry for Jack because I want him 841 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 5: to win everywhere because we all have a better time. 842 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 5: But I'm so happy to see Jack making the best 843 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 5: out of it and seemed genuinely like satisfied with himself 844 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 5: and his work and what he and what he brings 845 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 5: to the whole project. But yeah, and a fabious fabio. No, 846 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,919 Speaker 5: I'm worried for Yamaha, and I feel very very sad 847 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 5: for top Rack, but yeah, because I'm shocked by the 848 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 5: lack of speed from top Rack and I didn't expect 849 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 5: him to be anywhere this far off the pace as 850 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 5: he is, and I put it mostly down on the 851 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 5: yamahas where the bike is at the moment, but I'm 852 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 5: also shocked at what Yamaha. I have to be careful 853 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,320 Speaker 5: because I might say things that I'm just wrong, but 854 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 5: my in my opinion, let me say really careful like 855 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 5: this because I was never a multigip engineerer. I'm just 856 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 5: a guy walks around the pit boxes, tries, you know, 857 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 5: tries to understand a little bit of what happens. I 858 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 5: I'm worried that how far Yamaha went with top rack 859 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 5: to give him what he wants. If a rookie ask 860 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 5: for stuff, you got to be very careful because he 861 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 5: is a rookie and he doesn't know what he looks for, 862 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 5: so he you Loosually, what rookies does is look for 863 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 5: the same feeling they had on the last bike, whether 864 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 5: it was a super spot bike, about a three bike 865 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 5: or another manufacturer, because that's what they know, and then 866 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 5: they expect you to make it that it automatically will 867 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 5: become better from their own. So you work a little 868 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 5: bit with I mean, seating positions is hugely important to 869 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 5: motor tip. It's really way you put your rider. The 870 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 5: whole thing is designed to work in a certain way. 871 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 5: If you sit two meters more to the front or 872 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 5: the left, obviously it's not gonna work. But it's not 873 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 5: two meters. Even five centimeters can be completely wrong if 874 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,760 Speaker 5: you put the riders wrong. In a couple of centimeters 875 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 5: now top prack is more than a couple of centimeters wrong. 876 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,399 Speaker 5: He's on his I mean, it's really unbelievable how wrong 877 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 5: he sits on the motorbike. Because he asked for it, 878 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 5: they give it to him. But that's a dead ending 879 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 5: road that will probably bring you two tens now, but 880 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 5: avoid it. You're never going to make the whole seconds 881 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,399 Speaker 5: you're looking at. He sits so low in the rear 882 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 5: that he doesn't have the seat arrow. And he knows 883 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 5: because he goes every now and then he goes out 884 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 5: with seat arrow and he told us, he said, with 885 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 5: seat everything's better. I stop better. Everything is more stable, 886 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 5: even the long corners, everything's better. But the way, the 887 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 5: hardest thing is not the rear, the front, the front, 888 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 5: but what they do with the front for him. You 889 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,359 Speaker 5: know the right side of the motorbike. You can see 890 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 5: how many centimeters or millimeters that the front fork comes 891 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 5: sticks out above the triple clamp. Assuming front forks are 892 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 5: the same Yamas front frogs have the same length. This 893 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 5: is hundred percent shore. Yeah, fabilize them twenty to twenty 894 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 5: five millimeters offset check fifteen millimeters toper zero. That's already 895 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 5: so that the guy has like a touring biker shopper. 896 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 5: To make things worse, they give him a handle bush. 897 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 5: They made the handlebus for him that goes at least 898 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,359 Speaker 5: fifty millimeters up as well. This is a handle bus 899 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 5: you normally never see in racing. They stick out, then 900 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 5: they go up and to go more out. So top 901 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 5: rauxice is completely wrong on the bike means center of gravity, 902 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 5: air resicians. Everything is all over the place, and he 903 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 5: wants it because his reasoning is if I'm sitting comfortably, 904 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 5: I can find some confidence and then maybe later I 905 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 5: can try to learn to sit on a motor feedback 906 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 5: as it is designed to be. Not that for me 907 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 5: is there is the and I from his point of view, 908 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 5: it's logic. But the crew chief and the team should say, 909 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,399 Speaker 5: I'm not that's that's that's that's not gonna work. That's 910 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 5: not what we're what you want to do here on 911 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 5: these bikes. Then they don't work. So they did it. 912 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,399 Speaker 5: I'm surprised by that, and I'm not. Don't get me wrong. 913 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 5: I'm not saying topraking is slow because Yama puts him 914 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 5: wrong on the motorbike allows him to sit wrong on 915 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 5: the motorbike. There's a combination of reasoning. But this is 916 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 5: the worrying part that I don't understand that they go 917 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,839 Speaker 5: that far off the normal sitting position because the rider 918 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 5: wants that this is He's not the tallest in the pattern. 919 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 5: Marini is probably even longer. But Marini grew up on 920 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 5: motor tree moto too, so he knows how to shit 921 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,399 Speaker 5: on the motorjip Bick. Top rack has a lot of time. 922 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 5: He has, oh yeah, or at least half a year 923 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 5: to have zero points zero pressure and learn to ride back. 924 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 5: And the first thing he does is sit on it 925 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 5: like on a superbike. Not so sure if that's the correcter, 926 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 5: but the guy, let's not forget. He's amazingly telling you 927 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 5: you're right. Twenty nine. But he started late. He started 928 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 5: late in getting serious, and you've seen that with Casey riders. 929 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 5: It's not only an obviously it's an age thing, but 930 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,439 Speaker 5: it's also an amount of years thing. At some point 931 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 5: you get tired. Casey got very early tired in his 932 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 5: life because he started also very very early. Top Prauck 933 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 5: started really late, especially late being serious. Once he started 934 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 5: to be serious, he was fast. Yeah, hard to say. 935 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 5: He comes into really the worst possible moment inside Yamah. 936 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 5: I'm still glad he has a two year contract because 937 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 5: I expect a lot more from him next year, and 938 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 5: I hope Yama and he and he. What is also 939 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 5: gonna probably help him a lot is writing with others. 940 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 5: All the testing days he's done is on the own. 941 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 5: The last thing you want in is it's just showing 942 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 5: somebody else what you're doing. Although top Rack is given 943 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 5: a real by people, sometimes especially by Jack here again 944 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,399 Speaker 5: because Jack and they're obviously they're best friends, so Jack 945 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 5: really helps him, shows him the line shows what's possible. 946 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 5: But in a race, when you're battling forty minutes with 947 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 5: people of your lap time, then you quickly see, ah, 948 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 5: here I'm nearly running into the backfield. Fuck, how do 949 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 5: you get away there? And then you start to copy it, 950 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 5: copy it. It's always it's always the racing that makes 951 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 5: you really quickly improve and realize where it's possible. So 952 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 5: it's start to go racing with top Rag. It's time 953 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 5: to start racing. 954 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just realized it. I don't know why this 955 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 1: never came to me. The thoughts is, okay, out of 956 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,879 Speaker 1: the two rookies doogres race it all. 957 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 2: These tracks bar Brazil, as everybody else has top Rack 958 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 2: hasn't raised it any of the away races because super 959 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 2: Bow only ever did Philip. 960 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,439 Speaker 3: Island and then the rest of Europe. So he's he's 961 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,800 Speaker 3: really like three steps back behind. 962 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:11,200 Speaker 5: Yeah wow, yeah, exactly wow. And diego on the one 963 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 5: lap one time a day, he makes a good step 964 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,479 Speaker 5: to top right, but also not an amazing other step, 965 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 5: and he is the guy that nobody starts to give up. 966 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 5: How bet, it was very very clear in how they 967 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 5: Yogo comes in in the time in multigip when it's 968 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 5: still really difficult to ride these bikes that I just 969 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,359 Speaker 5: have to do a lot of things with right high 970 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,879 Speaker 5: devices and ship that's all gone and disappear next next year, 971 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,280 Speaker 5: Amoltip will be relatively easier. So you can bring about 972 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 5: to two guy and expect him to pick up the 973 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 5: pace a lot quicker than we can expect from Diogo 974 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 5: at the moment in this cuss So they give him 975 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 5: all the time, but all Theogo's normal laps are not 976 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 5: a lot better than top rucks, and the Yogo we 977 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 5: don't doubt him. We start to dubt top right, but 978 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 5: we don't doubt Yogo because he was so good in 979 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 5: Multi two last year. He grews up on these bikes. Yeah, 980 00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 5: that's another way to look at the situation. When you 981 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 5: look at Yogo Morrera, it's not it's not that far 982 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 5: off top Rack. Probably on there was one best lap. 983 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,840 Speaker 5: It's a big difference, but all the normal laps are closer, 984 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,719 Speaker 5: so it's not so easier the moment to jump on 985 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 5: a motor to be back. 986 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 4: It's not, but we look at it differently because of 987 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,279 Speaker 4: the year on their birth certificates. Right, that's part of 988 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 4: the equation that we're making is that Morera is what 989 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,360 Speaker 4: eight or nine years younger than than top Rack, So 990 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 4: we probably give him a little bit of grace because 991 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 4: of just the age, and you. 992 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,319 Speaker 5: Expect him to learn quick because the older the younger 993 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 5: you are the quicker, and the quicker you pick up 994 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:29,520 Speaker 5: new stuff. 995 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 4: Adapt Yeah. 996 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 5: I probably just said that when I explained the top 997 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 5: Rack doesn't want to change his writing procision. 998 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I. 999 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 1: Mean, that's he's the nail on my head, right crazy. 1000 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,279 Speaker 5: Anyway, you have to love top It would be so 1001 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 5: good for all of us if he is on the 1002 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,719 Speaker 5: podiumen in the top five. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, now 1003 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 5: to explain you were with the debriefs and I interviewed 1004 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 5: him a couple of times in the Superbike carreer. I mean, 1005 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,239 Speaker 5: such an interesting guy, So from what did you for. 1006 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 2: Those listening and Matt in Spain because it was the 1007 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 2: first time that he's at this official test, he'd come 1008 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,280 Speaker 2: up to the media center and he was introducing himself 1009 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 2: to everybody. 1010 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,200 Speaker 3: It was like, graters don't do that. 1011 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: So he's definitely bringing this whole fresh air. 1012 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,120 Speaker 2: And we've got an interview coming out on Fox Sports 1013 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,239 Speaker 2: as well with him where he was talking about his 1014 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 2: excitement and just. 1015 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: The difference and even he goes media for me is 1016 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 1: so strange. 1017 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, he is a breath of fresh air and 1018 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,719 Speaker 2: I'm excited to see cannot wait. But we've got Thailand, 1019 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 2: We've got Round one happening this weekend for US. Ossie's 1020 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,800 Speaker 2: down here in the Southern Hemisphere, a race that's actually 1021 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,840 Speaker 2: in our time zone. 1022 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,560 Speaker 1: So we are just so excited about that. 1023 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,400 Speaker 2: But we're going to have to ask the hard hitting 1024 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 2: questions right now, Matt Peter, who's gonna win on Sunday? 1025 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,320 Speaker 1: And please don't say and Mark Marquez give me something else. 1026 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,799 Speaker 4: I'm not going to say that, but I'll be kind 1027 00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,520 Speaker 4: to Peter as their guest and I'll let him go first. 1028 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 5: It's probably also because I want it. It's it's Marco Bazeki, 1029 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,520 Speaker 5: but my brain says it will be Mark. But I 1030 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 5: have to repeat what I said a couple of times. 1031 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,919 Speaker 5: Mark's filmerable film. Not a lot has to go wrong, 1032 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 5: and he's not. He's far from winning this race and 1033 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 5: everything that's certainly really really interesting. So yeah, I don't 1034 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:30,080 Speaker 5: expect Mark to to win easily. It will be him 1035 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 5: or Marco. 1036 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 4: I'm going to sit on something resembling of fence here, 1037 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,520 Speaker 4: but I'm going to say the top six is going 1038 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,280 Speaker 4: to have three apriliers and three decaddies. 1039 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and they will be within once a half 1040 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,719 Speaker 5: a second. Already. You know the letter is going to 1041 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,279 Speaker 5: be crazy. They're already yeah. Are interesting for two days 1042 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 5: and then have the race weekend. Then it will be 1043 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,480 Speaker 5: zero point two five for the top ten, I tell you, 1044 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:51,840 Speaker 5: which is silly. 1045 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,480 Speaker 1: H oh. 1046 00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,520 Speaker 2: I think I heard say that last year's top six 1047 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,239 Speaker 2: at the end of the Test was the top six 1048 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:05,440 Speaker 2: at the end of the championship. 1049 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,960 Speaker 3: Imagically have a replay. 1050 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:09,840 Speaker 5: Of that's interesting. 1051 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,200 Speaker 4: Championship runner up. 1052 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,799 Speaker 5: It's hilarious well, speaking of deeply riders and the bread 1053 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,600 Speaker 5: of press air like top rack. I mean, it's almost 1054 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,960 Speaker 5: another podcast subject to how we speak by the right 1055 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:30,240 Speaker 5: because a goody. It's also a case's debrief is something special. 1056 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,960 Speaker 5: I mean they're all special, but Ice is very very special. 1057 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 5: He is so quiet and then whatever you ask him, 1058 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 5: he takes five minutes and looks around for the answer, 1059 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,719 Speaker 5: no matter how simple it is, just really no matter 1060 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,439 Speaker 5: how simple. It's like, oh, this is a really difficult question, 1061 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,080 Speaker 5: and he's saying this is not that bad. He's just 1062 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 5: very very old school Japanese. He's very very careful how 1063 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,320 Speaker 5: to say things. It doesn't show any emotion. He's a 1064 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,240 Speaker 5: roboty you have no feelings, you has very very interesting 1065 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,040 Speaker 5: is debriets as well. Sometimes he says accidentally something super 1066 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 5: interesting accidently. Most of the time it's to stand that stuff. 1067 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 5: But we'll just slip up the tongue. It can be interesting. 1068 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,600 Speaker 4: That is a podcast we need to do write a 1069 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,080 Speaker 4: debrief body language and what they say verbally, that's yeah, 1070 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,200 Speaker 4: that's we need to explore that one. Rendre because you know, 1071 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,440 Speaker 4: it's like from being on the inside you've got some 1072 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,839 Speaker 4: people who are telling you a million things and saying nothing. 1073 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,840 Speaker 4: You've got other people who are saying nothing but actually 1074 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,200 Speaker 4: telling you something decent, and then you've got other people 1075 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,359 Speaker 4: who are thoroughly pleasant to you and give you lots 1076 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,239 Speaker 4: of words in your recording. And then you listen back 1077 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,719 Speaker 4: to it and go, I didn't say anything approach. It's 1078 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 4: good at the time, though it's not what I'm looking for. Yeah, yeah, 1079 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:46,800 Speaker 4: exactly exactly. 1080 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 2: I think that the liberty media takeover that is eventually 1081 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,320 Speaker 2: going to happen, and that's what it's going to be. 1082 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,200 Speaker 1: If they do a Drive to Survive. 1083 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,120 Speaker 2: I feel like it's going to be the best way 1084 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,399 Speaker 2: for people to really get to know what we see 1085 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,960 Speaker 2: in the media, say through what you see in the 1086 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,600 Speaker 2: paddic of these writers and their personalities, because the two 1087 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,520 Speaker 2: minutes you see of them doing a social media sketch 1088 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,480 Speaker 2: or whatever on monogp dot com is not it's not 1089 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 2: really who they are. So I'd love to see that 1090 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,759 Speaker 2: as an outcome eventually, but I think we should wrap 1091 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:17,399 Speaker 2: that up here. 1092 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,759 Speaker 1: Peter, thank you so much for joining us and explaining 1093 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:21,480 Speaker 1: everything that. 1094 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 3: We've seen over the last few weeks. 1095 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,640 Speaker 2: In Moto GP and hopefully I'll be seeing you at 1096 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,719 Speaker 2: Asen in a few months time. 1097 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,120 Speaker 5: Wow, okay, you're more than welcome here. But yeah, it's 1098 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,120 Speaker 5: a pleasure to be to be your podcast. I love it. 1099 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,399 Speaker 5: It's easy. We have an easy chemistry, so it's yeah, 1100 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,600 Speaker 5: I forget that the microphone is on. It's just like 1101 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,040 Speaker 5: three friends talking about notedge what happened for this so 1102 00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,400 Speaker 5: the last couple of days and you call it the podcast. 1103 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,440 Speaker 5: But I love being here. 1104 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 3: Thanks for asking me no anytime. I love it the 1105 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:48,399 Speaker 3: same for me and Matt. 1106 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 2: We love talking Moto GP and we hope that everybody 1107 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,760 Speaker 2: listening loves Moto GP. 1108 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,000 Speaker 3: Just as much as we do. 1109 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,320 Speaker 2: But guys and girls at home, you can catch every practice, qualifying, Sprint, 1110 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,719 Speaker 2: and Grand Prix live break free as well on Fox 1111 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 2: Sports and KO, including this weekend's time Grand Prix, which 1112 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,400 Speaker 2: air is at a reasonable hour, Like I said, seven 1113 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,600 Speaker 2: pm a DT. 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Matt Clayton, Oh my goodness, it's 1124 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,360 Speaker 3: been a long episode. Peter Baum and myself friend villain. 1125 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,719 Speaker 1: We're gonna be back real soon with more Moto GP 1126 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:54,359 Speaker 1: pit talk