1 00:00:01,500 --> 00:00:04,870 Speaker 1: And what we are proposing today is the biggest cut 2 00:00:04,970 --> 00:00:08,190 Speaker 1: to immigration in the history of this country. 3 00:00:08,550 --> 00:00:12,489 Speaker 2: Angus Taylor has vowed to cut net overseas migration to 4 00:00:12,490 --> 00:00:15,860 Speaker 2: 100,000 for two years if he wins office, slashing Australia's 5 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:20,260 Speaker 2: temporary migration intake by 650,000 people over four years. 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,550 Speaker 1: What we're announcing today will bring the numbers down to 7 00:00:23,590 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: below the levels they were at under the Howard Act. 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 3: Liberal National Government. 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,550 Speaker 2: Temporary graduate visas would be scrapped and new international students 10 00:00:32,650 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 2: capped at 240,000. Australia's humanitarian intake to be halved at 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: 10,000 a year. 12 00:00:38,900 --> 00:00:42,180 Speaker 1: Australia should be a home, not a hotel. 13 00:00:43,590 --> 00:00:46,700 Speaker 2: In a press conference which saw a classic Coalition slogan 14 00:00:46,740 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: make a comeback. 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,540 Speaker 3: Two times before, we've had to stop the boats. 16 00:00:50,740 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: a new catch-cry made an appearance as Angus Taylor tried 17 00:00:53,580 --> 00:00:55,540 Speaker 2: to out-muscle Labor and One Nation. 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,230 Speaker 1: Lowering the numbers and raising the standards. 19 00:00:58,410 --> 00:01:01,150 Speaker 4: Raising the standards and reducing the numbers. 20 00:01:01,310 --> 00:01:04,850 Speaker 1: Lowering the numbers while lifting the standards isn't just a slogan. 21 00:01:04,870 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 4: I'm Ruby Jones and you're listening to 7am. 22 00:01:13,390 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: Today, Director of the ANU Migration Hub, Professor Alan Gamlin, 23 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,100 Speaker 2: on what the Coalition's drastic cuts would actually mean for Australia, 24 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:24,500 Speaker 2: why this debate is happening now, and the dangers when 25 00:01:24,540 --> 00:01:26,619 Speaker 2: migration rhetoric reaches fever pitch. 26 00:01:31,790 --> 00:01:33,100 Speaker 4: It's Wednesday, October 7th. 27 00:01:38,890 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: Alan, the opposition has given us the detail now on 28 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: what would be its migration strategy should it win government. 29 00:01:45,580 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 4: This, of course, follows Labor and One Nation's announcements in 30 00:01:49,140 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 4: recent weeks. 31 00:01:50,540 --> 00:01:53,780 Speaker 2: So Angus Taylor, he said he would cut migration to 32 00:01:53,780 --> 00:01:54,700 Speaker 2: 100,000 people a year for two years. 33 00:01:57,060 --> 00:01:59,660 Speaker 4: Listening to him outline his plan. 34 00:01:59,540 --> 00:02:01,900 Speaker 2: And the way that he did it, the rhetoric around 35 00:02:02,140 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: losing control of the borders, our way of life being 36 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:05,220 Speaker 2: under threat. 37 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: The reality is that immigration policy under Labor is threatening our. 38 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 3: Way of life. 39 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,620 Speaker 4: What were your initial thoughts? 40 00:02:12,150 --> 00:02:14,649 Speaker 3: I think it's a bit of a fizzle of a policy, 41 00:02:14,669 --> 00:02:19,389 Speaker 3: if I'm honest. It's based on some false premises and 42 00:02:20,110 --> 00:02:23,350 Speaker 3: it risks proposing the wrong solution to the wrong problem. 43 00:02:24,590 --> 00:02:28,300 Speaker 3: That is not to say that everything about it is bad. 44 00:02:28,380 --> 00:02:31,820 Speaker 3: There are some sensible parts to it. But on the whole, 45 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 3: I think it reflects a political challenge that the coalition has. 46 00:02:37,660 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: As you said in kind of your opening framing, Ruby, 47 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: the need to strike a position that differentiates them from 48 00:02:48,300 --> 00:02:52,910 Speaker 3: both Labour and One Nation. rather than, I think, really 49 00:02:53,350 --> 00:02:57,130 Speaker 3: getting to the nub of the policy question or the 50 00:02:57,169 --> 00:03:01,340 Speaker 3: policy questions that need to be answered here. So in 51 00:03:01,380 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 3: that sense, it's a bit of a missed opportunity, but 52 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,700 Speaker 3: it's kind of understandable given the tight spot they're in. 53 00:03:07,220 --> 00:03:10,130 Speaker 4: So when you say it's based on false premises, what. 54 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 3: Do you mean? Well, there are a number. One is 55 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:17,380 Speaker 3: it's based on the premise that Labour has caused this all. 56 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,510 Speaker 1: Labour has lost control of our borders and has lost 57 00:03:22,590 --> 00:03:27,170 Speaker 1: control of our immigration policy in this country. Under Labour, 58 00:03:27,410 --> 00:03:32,010 Speaker 1: the numbers are too high and the standards are too low. 59 00:03:32,590 --> 00:03:34,950 Speaker 3: In actual fact, this is a response to a global 60 00:03:35,190 --> 00:03:39,700 Speaker 3: migration shock. You know, the same pattern of net migration 61 00:03:39,740 --> 00:03:42,220 Speaker 3: with a big dip in the pandemic and then a 62 00:03:42,260 --> 00:03:46,870 Speaker 3: big spike afterwards has happened across the rich world, including 63 00:03:46,910 --> 00:03:49,950 Speaker 3: in countries that not only are not controlled by the 64 00:03:50,550 --> 00:03:55,180 Speaker 3: Albanese Labour government, but which have very different migration systems 65 00:03:55,260 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: like Austria, the Czech Republic, Netherlands. So it would be 66 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: fallacious to say that it's just the Australian government that 67 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: has caused this pattern. It's also based on the premise 68 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: that a net migration target is going to solve things. 69 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:15,260 Speaker 1: The net overseas migration numbers will be 100,000 year one, 70 00:04:15,260 --> 00:04:20,820 Speaker 1: 100,000 year two, going to 160,000 in year four. That 71 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:26,289 Speaker 1: will take pressure off roads, off schools, off infrastructure, off houses. 72 00:04:26,630 --> 00:04:30,630 Speaker 3: Now, net migration is just a rough measure of all migration, 73 00:04:31,110 --> 00:04:34,450 Speaker 3: but it can be quite confusing because it's arrivals minus departures, 74 00:04:34,510 --> 00:04:37,049 Speaker 3: so it can grow significantly. either because arrivals have grown 75 00:04:37,230 --> 00:04:41,190 Speaker 3: or because departures have shrunk. And in the case that 76 00:04:41,210 --> 00:04:44,830 Speaker 3: we're in now, the post-pandemic period, the reason the net 77 00:04:44,850 --> 00:04:49,070 Speaker 3: migration has grown is mainly because departures have shrunk. So 78 00:04:49,089 --> 00:04:52,610 Speaker 3: we've got a departures problem. If we say net migration 79 00:04:52,650 --> 00:04:56,550 Speaker 3: is a problem, it doesn't matter how we get it down. Arrivals, departures, 80 00:04:56,589 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: you can cut them both. In reality, it does matter. 81 00:05:00,060 --> 00:05:02,539 Speaker 3: If we cut arrivals, we're not going to solve the 82 00:05:02,620 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: actual problem we have, which is departures. And then it's also, 83 00:05:06,140 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: this policy is kind of premised on a quite simplistic 84 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: and deterministic relationship between migration and housing, which doesn't really exist. 85 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: When you have 550,000 people come into the country in 86 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:22,010 Speaker 1: a single year and your housing construction is going backwards, 87 00:05:22,610 --> 00:05:25,110 Speaker 1: it's no wonder Australians can't get into a home. 88 00:05:25,790 --> 00:05:29,550 Speaker 3: It's no wonder. This is simple supply and demand. It's 89 00:05:29,610 --> 00:05:31,990 Speaker 3: certainly not the case that one migrant comes into the 90 00:05:32,050 --> 00:05:35,490 Speaker 3: country and needs a new house. Not a one-to-one relationship, 91 00:05:35,510 --> 00:05:38,210 Speaker 3: that's for sure, but it's more complex than that. So yes, 92 00:05:38,510 --> 00:05:43,310 Speaker 3: population growth does create demand for more housing. However, we 93 00:05:43,350 --> 00:05:45,590 Speaker 3: really have a shortage of housing, and we're not going 94 00:05:45,610 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 3: to build more houses unless we get more labor in 95 00:05:47,700 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 3: the construction supply chain, and that requires more migration. So 96 00:05:51,339 --> 00:05:54,140 Speaker 3: migration continues to both demand and supply for housing. It's 97 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: not a simple relationship. Housing is a complex puzzle. Migration 98 00:05:58,020 --> 00:05:59,700 Speaker 3: is just one small part of it, and we need 99 00:05:59,730 --> 00:06:03,510 Speaker 3: to be careful that we don't. in trying to bring 100 00:06:03,589 --> 00:06:07,170 Speaker 3: net overseas migration down by any means possible, create problems 101 00:06:07,190 --> 00:06:09,630 Speaker 3: that we don't have by not fixing problems that we 102 00:06:09,650 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: do have. 103 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: And one of the Coalition's big claims here is that 104 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,940 Speaker 2: this cut to migration, it wouldn't weaken the economy. 105 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: We've been working closely with the Parliamentary Budget Office on 106 00:06:20,900 --> 00:06:26,300 Speaker 1: analysis of our initiatives and we are confident that this 107 00:06:26,380 --> 00:06:28,179 Speaker 1: package is budget neutral. 108 00:06:28,710 --> 00:06:31,950 Speaker 4: Labor claims the opposite. They say it would be catastrophic. 109 00:06:32,470 --> 00:06:36,450 Speaker 2: Business groups seem likely to agree. So what is the 110 00:06:36,529 --> 00:06:38,940 Speaker 2: economic risk of a policy like this? What would it 111 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,620 Speaker 2: actually mean to cut immigration by this much? 112 00:06:43,060 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, well, if they focus on cutting arrivals, which 113 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 3: is a big part of what they're doing, someone is 114 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: going to hurt. There are losers. Arrivals are sort of normalizing. 115 00:06:53,610 --> 00:06:57,390 Speaker 3: They're almost normal. you know, back to sort of pre-pandemic levels. 116 00:06:57,750 --> 00:07:00,130 Speaker 3: And if we cut them too much and then departures 117 00:07:00,150 --> 00:07:02,510 Speaker 3: start rising, we might get into this roller coaster of 118 00:07:02,770 --> 00:07:07,570 Speaker 3: net migration. And cutting the arrivals means that you cut 119 00:07:07,610 --> 00:07:12,850 Speaker 3: into the revenues of businesses. So the rural and regional 120 00:07:12,890 --> 00:07:18,250 Speaker 3: industries are often represented by candidates in the nationals or 121 00:07:18,270 --> 00:07:21,290 Speaker 3: the liberal nationals tend to rely quite a lot on 122 00:07:21,330 --> 00:07:25,130 Speaker 3: the backpacker visas. That's the second biggest temporary migrant flow 123 00:07:25,810 --> 00:07:30,310 Speaker 3: into Australia. And then the biggest temporary migration flow is 124 00:07:30,390 --> 00:07:33,820 Speaker 3: the students. And of course, the higher education sector is 125 00:07:33,860 --> 00:07:36,900 Speaker 3: dependent on the students. That's a long-term structural issue. So 126 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,940 Speaker 3: the higher education system is kind of a sovereign capability. 127 00:07:39,980 --> 00:07:42,580 Speaker 3: That's something we need to do ourselves, is to have 128 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:46,450 Speaker 3: a higher education system. And if we're reliant for the 129 00:07:46,510 --> 00:07:50,750 Speaker 3: stability of that system on a fickle flow of international students, 130 00:07:50,790 --> 00:07:54,490 Speaker 3: that's problematic. Cuts like this would show that problem up 131 00:07:55,060 --> 00:07:57,740 Speaker 3: majorly because we are dependent on it but it's not 132 00:07:57,780 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: just the universities is the thing it's that the whole 133 00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: economy you know this has become a massive industry that's 134 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,260 Speaker 3: the money that international students spend on their accommodation on 135 00:08:08,310 --> 00:08:11,650 Speaker 3: their food on everything they do is feeding a whole 136 00:08:11,830 --> 00:08:16,050 Speaker 3: range of industries and meanwhile their labor has also become 137 00:08:16,610 --> 00:08:19,110 Speaker 3: a lifeline for many industries as well so they're going 138 00:08:19,130 --> 00:08:22,690 Speaker 3: to hurt going after arrivals whoever you go for is 139 00:08:23,610 --> 00:08:24,570 Speaker 3: going to make somebody. 140 00:08:24,290 --> 00:08:29,750 Speaker 2: Scream Still to come, what happens when parties play politics 141 00:08:29,830 --> 00:08:41,569 Speaker 2: with immigration policy? Alan, all major parties are now promising 142 00:08:41,809 --> 00:08:42,990 Speaker 2: cuts to migration. 143 00:08:43,050 --> 00:08:45,429 Speaker 4: The difference is a matter of degree. 144 00:08:46,050 --> 00:08:49,220 Speaker 2: One Nation has been very successful at pushing this issue 145 00:08:49,260 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: to the centre of the political conversation. Why do you 146 00:08:52,860 --> 00:08:56,650 Speaker 2: think that it has had the cut through that it 147 00:08:56,670 --> 00:08:57,230 Speaker 2: does right now? 148 00:08:57,690 --> 00:09:00,980 Speaker 3: Well, we're living in an age of disruption. There are 149 00:09:01,179 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: multiple intersecting crises in globalization happening. We had sort of 150 00:09:06,660 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: this long period where globalization was seen as inevitable. But 151 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:13,929 Speaker 3: then we had 9-11. We had the global financial crisis. 152 00:09:14,010 --> 00:09:16,970 Speaker 3: We had the refugee crisis, which sort of showed up 153 00:09:17,030 --> 00:09:21,210 Speaker 3: the cracks in this edifice of globalization. And people started 154 00:09:21,250 --> 00:09:24,660 Speaker 3: questioning it. And, you know, we live in a much 155 00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:27,260 Speaker 3: more turbulent world now, partly as a result of those 156 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,780 Speaker 3: shocks and the geopolitical instability that they've caused and climate 157 00:09:31,820 --> 00:09:33,860 Speaker 3: change is a sort of a backdrop, the growing anxiety 158 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 3: around that. So people are really fearful and anxious about 159 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 3: a lot of change going on in the world. It's 160 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,179 Speaker 3: more than people can comprehend. And what traditionally happens in 161 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:52,020 Speaker 3: periods of complex poly crises, multiple crises intersecting, What people 162 00:09:52,070 --> 00:09:54,790 Speaker 3: do is they want a simple solution, preferably one with 163 00:09:54,830 --> 00:09:58,690 Speaker 3: a bad guy. It's always the outsiders, the infidels, the witches, 164 00:09:58,790 --> 00:10:04,050 Speaker 3: the foreigners. the migrants who get blamed for the crop 165 00:10:04,090 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: failures or the plague of locusts or the black death. 166 00:10:08,890 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: It's the foreigners. So it's a sort of a scapegoating 167 00:10:11,940 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: story that's happening at the moment. And it's not just 168 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 3: unique to Australia. It's happening around the world. It's happening 169 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,550 Speaker 3: in Europe. And as the evidence grows... The evidence grows. 170 00:10:20,590 --> 00:10:23,710 Speaker 3: We've come to realize this is not about race, but 171 00:10:23,750 --> 00:10:27,070 Speaker 3: it is about culture. So the far right party is 172 00:10:27,110 --> 00:10:29,550 Speaker 3: surging back into the mainstream. It's happening in the USA. 173 00:10:29,670 --> 00:10:34,220 Speaker 3: The Trump social movement was built on this kind of politics. 174 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. 175 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:38,180 Speaker 1: They're rapists. 176 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,620 Speaker 3: And some, I assume, are good people. So when you 177 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,579 Speaker 3: look at Donald Trump's presidency in the USA and the 178 00:10:45,620 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: policies that they're implementing, they're broadly anti-global. in many ways, 179 00:10:50,140 --> 00:10:53,740 Speaker 3: reintroducing tariffs. But people don't connect with a story about 180 00:10:54,260 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 3: why globalization is bad when it's framed in terms of tariffs. 181 00:10:58,260 --> 00:11:00,850 Speaker 3: It just doesn't connect with people. If you say, well, 182 00:11:00,890 --> 00:11:05,170 Speaker 3: you lost your job because of an extension in the 183 00:11:05,330 --> 00:11:09,670 Speaker 3: supply chain and the outsourcing of jobs because of globalization, 184 00:11:10,790 --> 00:11:13,350 Speaker 3: it just goes over people's heads. But if you say, look, 185 00:11:13,429 --> 00:11:16,340 Speaker 3: globalization is bad and In order to understand that, all 186 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: you've got to do is look at that migrant. They 187 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: look different. They talk different. They worship different gods. They 188 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,100 Speaker 3: eat different foods. They wear different clothes. They sound different. 189 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,900 Speaker 3: They look different. You should be afraid of them, and 190 00:11:27,420 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 3: you should give control to me, and I will shut 191 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: down the borders and stop globalization. So it becomes the 192 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:37,119 Speaker 3: poster child for a wider set of anti-global changes, and 193 00:11:37,140 --> 00:11:38,220 Speaker 3: that's the period we're in. 194 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,300 Speaker 2: And so this debate we're having in Australia right now 195 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:47,670 Speaker 2: on immigration is What's the impact and the danger here 196 00:11:47,850 --> 00:11:51,740 Speaker 2: when policy and politics become so intertwined? 197 00:11:52,380 --> 00:11:54,460 Speaker 3: Well, it's good that there is a connection between policy 198 00:11:54,500 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 3: and politics. That means democracy is working well. The people 199 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,780 Speaker 3: feed into the formation of policy. But you also need 200 00:12:00,830 --> 00:12:05,370 Speaker 3: technical expertise in there as well. You wouldn't want to 201 00:12:05,710 --> 00:12:10,230 Speaker 3: hand over the tools of the operating theatre to the 202 00:12:10,270 --> 00:12:13,790 Speaker 3: mob to do the brain surgery. there are some areas 203 00:12:13,830 --> 00:12:17,309 Speaker 3: of policy where it gets quite technical, you know, it 204 00:12:17,470 --> 00:12:21,130 Speaker 3: requires technical knowledge. So just getting into a kind of 205 00:12:21,220 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: loud populist debate, which is kind of blaming migrants for 206 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:29,220 Speaker 3: every problem that we have and blaming all migration rather 207 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: than identifying the bits of migration that are problematic. This 208 00:12:33,580 --> 00:12:37,660 Speaker 3: is kind of akin to that, handing over the operating 209 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:40,620 Speaker 3: theater tools to the mob. And, you know, if we, 210 00:12:42,790 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: if we want to get through the surgery successfully, that's 211 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,339 Speaker 3: probably not a good idea. This sort of targeting of 212 00:12:49,380 --> 00:12:52,860 Speaker 3: net overseas migration as a result of a populist move 213 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: is a very blunt instrument to address what is a 214 00:12:57,580 --> 00:13:00,469 Speaker 3: much more nuanced problem and probably needs more like a 215 00:13:00,610 --> 00:13:03,990 Speaker 3: surgical approach of going into certain parts of the temporary 216 00:13:04,030 --> 00:13:08,849 Speaker 3: migration program and responsibly and sensitively regulating those parts of 217 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:11,790 Speaker 3: the program so there's a long-term balance between temporary and 218 00:13:11,830 --> 00:13:16,489 Speaker 3: permanent migration and there's not a constantly mushrooming temporary population 219 00:13:17,090 --> 00:13:21,550 Speaker 3: and also stabilizing net overseas migration since the pandemic but 220 00:13:21,610 --> 00:13:26,470 Speaker 3: not by taking a hacksaw to arrivals but by processing 221 00:13:26,690 --> 00:13:30,890 Speaker 3: the cohort of delayed departures that has built up since 222 00:13:30,929 --> 00:13:35,620 Speaker 3: the pandemic We're using a bludgeon where a scalpel was required. 223 00:13:42,900 --> 00:13:45,730 Speaker 4: Well, Alan, thank you so much for speaking with me. 224 00:13:46,390 --> 00:13:47,070 Speaker 3: You're welcome, Ruby. 225 00:13:58,929 --> 00:13:59,610 Speaker 4: Also in the news. 226 00:14:00,220 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: Executives from OpenAI and Anthropic have been questioned about how 227 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: they would handle future accidental hacking incidents, such as OpenAI's 228 00:14:08,020 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: Medicare hack earlier this year. OpenAI has told a parliamentary 229 00:14:11,980 --> 00:14:15,620 Speaker 2: inquiry that it will promptly and directly notify organisations of 230 00:14:15,740 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: any future unauthorised access by its AI agents, and Anthropic 231 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,110 Speaker 2: has said it would support laws requiring AI companies to 232 00:14:23,140 --> 00:14:27,810 Speaker 2: report incidents to Australian authorities. OpenAI has also conceded its 233 00:14:27,890 --> 00:14:31,090 Speaker 2: response to the June breach was inadequate after the government 234 00:14:31,130 --> 00:14:32,110 Speaker 2: was not told about the. 235 00:14:32,070 --> 00:14:33,380 Speaker 4: Incident until September. 236 00:14:35,020 --> 00:14:38,380 Speaker 2: And two Australian soldiers remain critically injured after a vehicle 237 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: rollover during a training exercise in the Northern Territory that 238 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,500 Speaker 2: killed one other soldier. Three other soldiers also suffered minor 239 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,860 Speaker 2: injuries in the crash at Mount Bundy training area. Northern 240 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,420 Speaker 2: Territory police are assisting a coronial investigation into the incident. 241 00:14:53,540 --> 00:15:00,370 Speaker 4: I'm Ruby Jones. This is 7am. Thanks for listening. Thank you.