Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening, A big show coming up.
Speaker 2: Anti Semitism explodes on the streets of Melbourne as Albanese's
Speaker 2: lack of leadership is on display yet again, which begs
Speaker 2: the question is Australia safe for Jews. Senator James Patterson
Speaker 2: will join me live shortly. Also tonight, we'll show you
Speaker 2: the footage of Aaron Patterson that was examined by the
Speaker 2: jury and will discuss the guilty verdict with top lawyer
Speaker 2: Justin Quill. The Prime Minister gears up for his fourth
Speaker 2: trip to see the Chinese President while failing to secure
Speaker 2: even one meeting with Donald Trump. Ray Hadley fires up
Speaker 2: this hour plus Nettayahu heads to the White House to
Speaker 2: discuss the ceasefire in Gaza and expanding.
Speaker 3: The Abraham Accords.
Speaker 2: That's all coming up, but first tonight to the weekend
Speaker 2: of horror in Melbourne. Synagogue satellite cars torched and inn
Speaker 2: Israeli restaurants stormed and families terrorized. This is the violent,
Speaker 2: racist country that we're now living in that's increasingly unsafe
Speaker 2: for Jewish Australians and we want this would happen over
Speaker 2: and over again. We begged for the federal government to
Speaker 2: show leadership. We even developed an anti Semitism blueprint to
Speaker 2: help solve this crisis at our Sky News Antisemitism Summit.
Speaker 2: Yet Albanezi did not adopt a single one of those recommendations.
Speaker 2: Perhaps he naively believed if he did nothing, if he
Speaker 2: buried his head in the sand, the problem would go away.
Speaker 2: But of course it hasn't, and under his watch our
Speaker 2: country has irrevocably changed. This is now Australia a violent,
Speaker 2: unsafe nation where racism has been allowed to flourish, where
Speaker 2: a peaceful, philanthropic, caring community has been demonized and scapegoated
Speaker 2: while out of control Palestinian activists are endlessly protected by
Speaker 2: the law and the leadership. And we saw on Friday
Speaker 2: night at one of Australia's oldest synagogues, the East Melbourne
Speaker 2: Hebrew Synagogue.
Speaker 3: Jews were the target's Jews.
Speaker 2: A man rang the synagogue's doorbell around eight pm twice. Inside,
Speaker 2: about twenty Jews were at Shabbat, that's the Friday evening meal.
Speaker 2: The Age newspaper reports a thirteen year old was in
Speaker 2: the synagogue office and heard the bell through the security monitors.
Speaker 2: He reportedly saw a man he didn't recognize and thankfully, thankfully,
Speaker 2: he didn't open the door. The man then lit a
Speaker 2: petro bomb at the entrance of the synagogue, where it detonated,
Speaker 2: and the damage from the bomb wasn't worse only because
Speaker 2: the synagogue added extra protection just a few years ago,
Speaker 2: including a blastproof reinforced steel security door. The alleged culprit
Speaker 2: has now been arrested, Angelo Loris, aged thirty four. He
Speaker 2: lives in the Sydney suburb of Toungabby.
Speaker 4: The man charged with setting fire to the front of
Speaker 4: a Melbourne synagogue is behind bars. Tonight, counter terror police
Speaker 4: arrested thirty four year old Angelo Loris, who did not
Speaker 4: apply for bail, over the alleged attack.
Speaker 2: And then on the same night, a Jewish owned restaurant,
Speaker 2: miz Non, in Melbourne's popular Hardware Lane was stormed by
Speaker 2: around twenty masked protesters who were chanting death to the IDF.
Speaker 2: They terrorized families eating dinner and toppled furniture.
Speaker 3: These were those disgraceful scenes.
Speaker 2: The genesis of this began a day earlier when social
Speaker 2: media accounts demanded a boycott of this restaurant and they
Speaker 2: shared the address now as you heard there the protesters
Speaker 2: were chanting death to the IDF, a murderous phrase. And
Speaker 2: here's where that chance started at the Glastonbury Music Festival.
Speaker 5: Stiff to the IDF, the id to the IDF.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just can't get your head around it.
Speaker 2: A music festival repeating a death chant. It was a
Speaker 2: festival just like the one where two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: young people were gunned down, chased and hunted before being murdered,
Speaker 2: a massacre at the Nova Music Festival. Apparently forgot it
Speaker 2: at Glastonbury and now forgotten in Australia and also in
Speaker 2: Melbourne on Friday night, three cars were torched and yet
Speaker 2: another anti Semitic incident.
Speaker 6: Police are on the hunt for five mask defenders after
Speaker 6: a targeted arson attack at a business in Melbourne's northeast.
Speaker 6: CCTV capture the group setting fire to three cars and
Speaker 6: spray painting slogans on the Greensborough property just before four
Speaker 6: am on Saturday, before fleeing on e bikes. It is
Speaker 6: believed the business is a weapons company with links to Israel.
Speaker 2: We don't know the answer to this, but we need
Speaker 2: to know whether those three incidents on the same night
Speaker 2: are connected.
Speaker 3: Now. You'd think we'd be used to all of this
Speaker 3: by now, but we're not.
Speaker 2: None of this is new, although the sadness never gets easier.
Speaker 2: It's been around six months since arsonists tried to set
Speaker 2: allite the newtown S Cinema in Sydney, a preschool completely
Speaker 2: destroyed in another fire bombing, while cars and buildings also
Speaker 2: torched in Sydney's East. And it's been six months too
Speaker 2: since the Adas Israel Synagogue in Melbourne was firebombed. So
Speaker 2: you'll mean the first thing that hits you, it's the smell,
Speaker 2: it's so strong, and the soot, the police tape. This
Speaker 2: shouldn't be what it's like walking into a synagogue country.
Speaker 2: And after that attack we heard much the same political
Speaker 2: commentary as we have again now this must be condemned,
Speaker 2: the full force of the law felt Adisemitism has no
Speaker 2: place in Australia.
Speaker 3: The same lines, and.
Speaker 2: Yet all these months on, still no one has been
Speaker 2: caught or arrested for fire bombing the Adas Synagogue. And
Speaker 2: these platitudes have become meaningless, their words unmatched by action,
Speaker 2: and the protests full of hatred continue you in Melbourne
Speaker 2: and Sydney, most weekends, encouraged by angry political rhetoric, as
Speaker 2: The Door Foundation's Talie Blickbau writes in The Australian Today,
Speaker 2: every week protesters march through the streets of Melbourne calling
Speaker 2: for interfada and revolution, and this is amplified online. Who
Speaker 2: could be surprised that calls for uprising would lead to
Speaker 2: actual uprising? And Jewish leader Mark Leebler makes the same point.
Speaker 2: He writes, as long as protests accompanied by chance of
Speaker 2: zionus to terrorists, death to the IDF, globalize the Intovada
Speaker 2: and river to the Sea continue, violence directed at the
Speaker 2: Jewish community and its institutions will follow. And that's why
Speaker 2: this angry, hateful, pro Palestinian protest movement is so dangerous.
Speaker 2: It's not peaceful expression of political speech, as many.
Speaker 3: Try to claim.
Speaker 2: It's cultivating and nurturing hatred against Jews. It's excusing and
Speaker 2: justifying cruelty and violence. The perpetrators who firearm Jewish institutions
Speaker 2: presumably intend to kill, harass, or harm Jews. They are
Speaker 2: motivated by their hatred of Israel, a hatred the Albanezi
Speaker 2: government perpetuates with its actions and its.
Speaker 3: Anti Israel rhetoric.
Speaker 2: One Israeli minister made this point formally in an official
Speaker 2: letter to Albanizi. He wrote, this alarming climate is unfolding
Speaker 2: under your government's watch, and is further legitimized by recent
Speaker 2: actions to deny entry to former Israeli minister IoLET Shaked
Speaker 2: and pro Israel advocate Hillel Ford. These choices are seen
Speaker 2: as discriminatory and embolden those who spread hate. This is
Speaker 2: no longer a matter of rising tensions. It is a
Speaker 2: test of leadership, and he warns that silence sends a
Speaker 2: dangerous message that Jewish safety is negotiable. Now, we told
Speaker 2: the Albanezy government of a clear strategy that would help
Speaker 2: them tackle anti Semitism. That was the point of our
Speaker 2: sky New summit in February, attended by some of the
Speaker 2: smartest brains in the country, including Justice Michael Lee, John Howard,
Speaker 2: Greg Craven, Holocaust survivors, the Israelian Ambassador to Australia, Mire Maimon,
Speaker 2: the Deputy Police Commissioner Dave Hudson, former Treasurer Josh Friedenberg,
Speaker 2: and many more, and they spoke and discussed much needed reform.
Speaker 7: It is a great moral failing of the leadership of
Speaker 7: at least some of our university set. Some students, to
Speaker 7: my personal knowledge, are now afraid aid of being identified
Speaker 7: by their fellow students.
Speaker 8: Has been Jewish at Frosity of the seventh of October
Speaker 8: twenty twenty three saw the largest number of Jewish people's
Speaker 8: slaughters in the Holocaust. That's the fact that needed more
Speaker 8: than general denunci agents.
Speaker 2: And through this summit, along with the Executive Council of
Speaker 2: Australian Jury, redeveloped fifteen recommendations across national security, education, the
Speaker 2: university sector, migration, citizenships, social.
Speaker 3: Media and more. And they included.
Speaker 2: Declaration of a national emergency on anti Semitism and the
Speaker 2: establishment of a Joint counter Terror Task Force. The repeal
Speaker 2: of charity status and funding from religious and charitable institutions
Speaker 2: if they promote racism or displayed terror symbols. Another one,
Speaker 2: the Migration Act should be enforced or amended to ensure
Speaker 2: antisemitic conduct is grounds to reject a visa or cal
Speaker 2: an existing one. New social media legislation, such as algorithms
Speaker 2: regulation laws should be introduced to counter foreign interference. There's
Speaker 2: fifteen sensible areas of reform that would have a meaningful
Speaker 2: impact in reducing anti Semitism.
Speaker 9: We are calling for this plan of action to be
Speaker 9: endorsed by both major parties and independent candidates, and for
Speaker 9: public institutions in the private sector to work with community
Speaker 9: for its implementation.
Speaker 2: We did the thoughtful and meaningful work for the Prime Minister.
Speaker 2: He didn't have to develop a single policy, yet he
Speaker 2: then refused to implement any of our recommendations, not one,
Speaker 2: so he's categorically not doing all he can. This is
Speaker 2: what the Jewish community has asked for and he's refused
Speaker 2: to action it. In fact, Albanezi has failed to comprehensively
Speaker 2: address this. He didn't hold a press conference over the
Speaker 2: weekend about these attacks in Melbourne and this is not
Speaker 2: what leadership looks like. His fellow lifelong pro Palestinian activist
Speaker 2: Tony Burke visited the synagogue yesterday with the dumped Jewish
Speaker 2: former minister Mark Dreyfus, and at least Tony Burke seemed
Speaker 2: to grasp the gravity of the situation.
Speaker 10: Arson attacks, the chanting calls for death, other attacks and graffiti,
Speaker 10: none of it belonged to Australia, and they were attacks
Speaker 10: on Australia.
Speaker 3: And this is new.
Speaker 2: He now seems to he can see with his own
Speaker 2: eyes what we're actually dealing with. But if he truly
Speaker 2: wants to end this crisis, then he needs to adopt
Speaker 2: our action points from our Antisemitism summit. As you'll recall,
Speaker 2: when we held that summit, Mark Dreyfus accused us of
Speaker 2: doing it for ratings.
Speaker 11: Anti Semitism cannot and must not be weaponized in the
Speaker 11: pursuit of votes. It must not be weaponized in the
Speaker 11: pursuit of newspaper sales or TV ratings either.
Speaker 2: I hope that suggestion wasn't that our newspapers or television
Speaker 2: stations are weaponizing this, because we certainly are not.
Speaker 3: We are defending our values.
Speaker 2: No one who is hurting deeply from this antisemitism crisis
Speaker 2: in Australia could possibly make such a crude suggestion. And
Speaker 2: that's the problem with the Albanezy government. They believe this
Speaker 2: was all confected. They didn't genuinely believe drastic action was
Speaker 2: needed despite the multiple firebombings, the arson attacks, the torched
Speaker 2: cars and the vandalized officers.
Speaker 3: It's enough.
Speaker 2: It was enough long ago, and now the Australian Jewish
Speaker 2: community can't help. But ask is it still safe to
Speaker 2: live here in Australia. When and where will the next
Speaker 2: attack be? Should we be moving somewhere else to protect
Speaker 2: our children and our families? These are the questions we're
Speaker 2: helplessly asking in our darkest hour.
Speaker 3: I'm going to come back to that topic.
Speaker 2: I've got James Patterson on the show a bit later.
Speaker 2: Also Claire Lehman and Joe hilde Brand will talk about
Speaker 2: it with them. Two Ray Hadley a bit late. I'm
Speaker 2: sure he'll have something to say. But now let's turn
Speaker 2: to the big news this afternoon, the mushroom trial in
Speaker 2: Victoria that has sent shockwaves worldwide. After seven days of deliberations,
Speaker 2: a jury has found Aaron Patterson guilty of murdering three
Speaker 2: relatives of her estranged husband.
Speaker 3: New pictures have tonight been.
Speaker 2: Released of the leftovers of the deadly beef Wellington meal
Speaker 2: that's the meal, also a photograph of Aaron Patterson's dining
Speaker 2: table where her lunch guests.
Speaker 3: Ate that fatal meal.
Speaker 2: The jury was also shown this footage of Aaron Patterson
Speaker 2: checking herself out of hospital after she claimed to have
Speaker 2: eaten the deadly mushroom meal. And she was checking out
Speaker 2: of hospital against medical advice. Yet a day earlier she
Speaker 2: seemed fine walking into a service station where she'd bought
Speaker 2: some food. So this was part of the footage and
Speaker 2: the evidence that the jury considered.
Speaker 3: Let's bring in.
Speaker 2: Now media lawyer and partner at Thompson Gear Justin Queil Justin,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time tonight. Did you
Speaker 2: expect this verdict this afternoon based on the evidence that
Speaker 2: was presented over the course of the trial, Look.
Speaker 12: I probably did, but I always thought it was going
Speaker 12: to be close, And to be frank, the longer the
Speaker 12: deliberations went on, the more the chances that the jury
Speaker 12: were going to find reasonable doubt in So look, if
Speaker 12: they'd come back this afternoon and found not guilty, I
Speaker 12: wouldn't have fallen off my chair. But I did think
Speaker 12: it was probably more lucky than not they were going
Speaker 12: to find her guilty.
Speaker 2: I mean, there were a lot of lies that were
Speaker 2: exposed on Aaron Patterson's part throughout the case, but one
Speaker 2: thing that the Crown case never achieved was a clear.
Speaker 3: Cut motive for the murders.
Speaker 2: And this was something that I found interesting watching it,
Speaker 2: because clearly she was guilty in the sense that she
Speaker 2: did cook this deadly meal that led to the three deaths,
Speaker 2: But what was her motive? Was this something that you
Speaker 2: found unusual justin that the crown case wasn't able to
Speaker 2: put forward a clear cut motive.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean there was hints around, you know, a
Speaker 12: bit of a dispute with the husband over childcare payments
Speaker 12: and the like, and there was some pretty basic criticism
Speaker 12: of the victims Buyer and Patterson in some WhatsApp groups
Speaker 12: some months earlier. That criticism was pretty mild, really when
Speaker 12: you think about families in the middle of breakups and
Speaker 12: divorces and what have you. So I absolutely agree the
Speaker 12: lack of motive or lack of motive that would justify
Speaker 12: the killing of three people and the attempted murder of
Speaker 12: the fourth is surprising. I also thought it was surprising
Speaker 12: in fact that the prosecution all they really did on
Speaker 12: motive at the start of the case in opening was
Speaker 12: say we don't need to prove motive.
Speaker 1: And that is true.
Speaker 12: But I did wonder whether just telling the jury we
Speaker 12: don't need to prove it, so we're not going to
Speaker 12: bother and don't you worry about it, whether that was
Speaker 12: actually going to cut the mustard, and whether the jury
Speaker 12: were going to be able to sufficiently put it out
Speaker 12: of their minds. So it was a fascinating aspect of it,
Speaker 12: and reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury it
Speaker 12: was probably going to come from the lack of motive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, because she or her defense case, you know,
Speaker 2: could have argued and as they did that, she got
Speaker 2: the bags of mushrooms mixed up and she didn't intend
Speaker 2: to kill them. So fascinating, and of course we're still
Speaker 2: to see what her sentence will be.
Speaker 3: Justin Quill really appreciate your analysis. Thank you.
Speaker 2: All right, let's return to the weekend's anti Semitic attacks,
Speaker 2: also the rest of the day's big stories with Collette
Speaker 2: founding editor Claire Lehmann and Sky News host Joe Hildebrand.
Speaker 2: Great you, Joe, you know, we just I just want
Speaker 2: to ask you about that point I made that every
Speaker 2: time something happens, we have the same lines regurgitated by
Speaker 2: the politicians, but no new action, no new reform.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I think lumping anti semitism in with other forms of
Speaker 13: racism or discrimination, I think is in itself a complete
Speaker 13: failure to understand and the extremely precise nature of anti
Speaker 13: Semitism and it's extremely specific history, a history that is
Speaker 13: both religiously based and Christians have been the worst persecutors
Speaker 13: of Jews throughout history until a certain Nazi dictator came along.
Speaker 13: Not in recent times, no, but the point being that there.
Speaker 3: Is some of our greatest allies.
Speaker 13: That's absolutely right, and as a card currying Catholic, I'm
Speaker 13: very glad that we are. But the point being there
Speaker 13: has been always, throughout history been a very specific targeting
Speaker 13: of Jewish people for very specific reasons, and that morphed into.
Speaker 1: The horrors of the Holocaust.
Speaker 13: So to say, you know, you know, we're going to
Speaker 13: you know, there's been another attack on a synagogue, or
Speaker 13: someone's running in you know, through Israeli restaurants chanting death
Speaker 13: to the IDF because someone decided that would be a
Speaker 13: really fun chance to start at a music festival in
Speaker 13: front of tens.
Speaker 1: Of thousands of people.
Speaker 13: We're just going to clamp down on all discrimination or
Speaker 13: all racism. It's a bit like saying, hey, you know,
Speaker 13: we've found that the airbags don't work in Holden commodorees,
Speaker 13: so we're going to ban all cars from the road.
Speaker 13: What you need to do is you need to address
Speaker 13: the very specific causes, and this is a very specific
Speaker 13: epidemic of hatred and violence against one particular group of
Speaker 13: the community, based on propaganda and deliberate fueling of this
Speaker 13: by high profile people like we saw at Glass Andbury,
Speaker 13: and that is what needs to be target and address.
Speaker 2: And I think part of the issue is that you
Speaker 2: have two lifelong pro Palestinian activists in Tony Burke and Albanize.
Speaker 13: But the activists do not see Tony Burke.
Speaker 2: Or well, he has been he has been involved in
Speaker 2: the cause for a long time, got lots of documentation
Speaker 2: to that effect.
Speaker 3: Claire, you know, the part of the problem.
Speaker 2: As I was talking about in the start of the show,
Speaker 2: quoting Tarlie Blickbau and Mark Leebert, are these protests where
Speaker 2: these hateful chants emerge. The argument has been free speech,
Speaker 2: political expression, but free speech shouldn't extend.
Speaker 3: To hate speech.
Speaker 2: You know, we can't excuse this breeding of violence any law,
Speaker 2: can we.
Speaker 14: Well, I think it's telling that they're now using the
Speaker 14: chant death to the idea if it shows that they're
Speaker 14: not a peace movement, they're a pro war movement, a
Speaker 14: pro death movement. And like Joe says, anti semitism is
Speaker 14: different to racism because it's not motivated by contempt. It's
Speaker 14: often motivated by feelings of envy. It's conspiratorial in nature.
Speaker 14: And so the failure of our leaders isn't just the
Speaker 14: failure of law enforcement. It's a failure to step up
Speaker 14: and say that these conspiracy theories that you hear about
Speaker 14: the Jewish people online, spread by high profile influences and
Speaker 14: you know, pop stars at Gastonbury and so on, these
Speaker 14: conspiracy theories are false. They need to say more than
Speaker 14: simply anti Semitism has no place here. They need to
Speaker 14: falsify the propaganda that is being spread. And as I
Speaker 14: wrote in The Australian over the weekend, this propaganda has
Speaker 14: been around for decades and we know from the work
Speaker 14: of historians and from declassified CIA documents that the Soviets
Speaker 14: funded this disinformation about Israel purposely after the nineteen sixty
Speaker 14: seven war in order to drive a wedge in the West,
Speaker 14: in order to hurt the West. It's not just about
Speaker 14: hurting Israel, it's about hurting all Western nations and about
Speaker 14: attacking Western values. And so there really needs to be
Speaker 14: more of a concerted effort to counter this disinformation. And
Speaker 14: I just I don't see any real leadership or any
Speaker 14: effort to do so at the moment.
Speaker 2: And in more recent times. Of course, some of that
Speaker 2: has been funded by the iigc Iran of course, and
Speaker 2: the kataris well, there's still foreign at play here.
Speaker 13: Interesting point, Bob Villain, the group that's chanted death Death
Speaker 13: to the IDF. In other footage that hasn't been as
Speaker 13: widely circulated, they actually brag about supporting violence. They say,
Speaker 13: quote unquote, we are not passive. He says, there's a
Speaker 13: lot of passive and that's me an.
Speaker 3: Update on this.
Speaker 14: Happily, there's a clip of them saying, we want every
Speaker 14: idea of soldier to die.
Speaker 3: It's not like a metaphor.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 13: So they actually brag about supporting violence. Interestingly though, in
Speaker 13: proof of just what a performative wank fest this is
Speaker 13: and how gutless they are. Of course, they don't follow
Speaker 13: through of that. They're not the ones putting their own
Speaker 13: lives on the line or actually having to endure or
Speaker 13: even see the violence.
Speaker 1: They're just supporting other people and aligning themselves with that's right.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's just street.
Speaker 13: It's extremely dangerous and reckless virtue signaling basically, all.
Speaker 2: Right, let's have a look at alban Easy, because he
Speaker 2: seems to be putting Australia's alliance with America into question
Speaker 2: over the weekend with a speech that took a subtle
Speaker 2: swipe at Trump. This is what Albinizi had to say
Speaker 2: when he was speaking at the John Curtain Research Center.
Speaker 15: Curtain's famous state that Australia looked to America was much
Speaker 15: more than the idea of trading one strategic guaranteur for another, well,
Speaker 15: swapping an alliance with the old world for one with
Speaker 15: the new. There was a recognition that Australia's fate would
Speaker 15: be decided in our region.
Speaker 2: I mean, Joe, it seems like Albanize is further jeopardizing
Speaker 2: Australia's alliance with the United States.
Speaker 13: I think this might be one of those sort of
Speaker 13: magic eye things where you see what you want to
Speaker 13: see is that.
Speaker 1: The rawsch actess.
Speaker 13: I was in the room on Saturday night when he
Speaker 13: made that speech.
Speaker 1: That speech was.
Speaker 3: Made as a friend, as a.
Speaker 13: Guest of the John Curtin Research Center, and as a
Speaker 13: guest of Nick Dironfirth, who was the director of the
Speaker 13: John Curtin Research Center.
Speaker 1: He is a very proud Jew.
Speaker 13: On the show, and he's obviously in the senior figure
Speaker 13: in the Labor Party. I was sitting next to him,
Speaker 13: literally right next to him as his guest, as albot
Speaker 13: was giving the speech, and there was certain not a
Speaker 13: sense that there was no sort of sense in the
Speaker 13: ruin that this is Albanese distancing himself from the US
Speaker 13: or flipping the bird of the US or anything like that.
Speaker 13: This was simply saying that he would put Australia's geostrategic
Speaker 13: interests front center.
Speaker 2: Foreign editor Greg Sheridan in The Australia has taken a
Speaker 2: different view and it's reinforced by the fact that Albanese
Speaker 2: is preparing for his fourth meeting with President. She hasn't
Speaker 2: managed to secure meeting with Trump despite the fact he
Speaker 2: was elected in November.
Speaker 14: Clay, Yeah, I think these things are a bit tricky,
Speaker 14: and when it comes to foreign policy, we have to
Speaker 14: see look at what leaders do, not what they say.
Speaker 14: And Urbanese is not substantially increasing our spending on defense,
Speaker 14: and if we were actually disentangling ourselves or distancing ourselves
Speaker 14: from the US, we would we seeing a massive ramp
Speaker 14: up in defense spending. The only way we can have
Speaker 14: things like the ndis in our generous welfare state is
Speaker 14: because we live under the protection of the US security umbrella.
Speaker 14: If we distance ourselves from that, well then it's funding
Speaker 14: from schools, funding from hospitals into our defense. And so
Speaker 14: that's not going to happen. And so I think, you know,
Speaker 14: we've got to be clear on who the audience is.
Speaker 14: And probably Albanezi was just focusing on the audience in
Speaker 14: that room, a local, domestic audience, and he's probably not
Speaker 14: trying to telegraph anything too serious over to the Americans.
Speaker 3: I think if there was.
Speaker 14: Any serious movement towards a different foreign policy, we'd be
Speaker 14: seeing a far different budget than we are at the moment.
Speaker 2: But there's no doubt that he has zero relationship with
Speaker 2: the President.
Speaker 3: Of the United States. I mean it's almost unheard of.
Speaker 14: Yeah, but I mean there's going to be a great
Speaker 14: deal of diplomats and other professionals in the so called
Speaker 14: deep state. He was still going to be on the
Speaker 14: phone and you know, keeping up the relationship between the
Speaker 14: two nations.
Speaker 2: Right whether they can get any positive outcomes, because I somehow.
Speaker 3: Doubt can be doing.
Speaker 13: Eventually they will meet and I think there will be
Speaker 13: an increase in Australia's defense spending and Trump will come
Speaker 13: out and say yes, we support UCARST. So I think
Speaker 13: all that movement that people are looking for, that is
Speaker 13: what the meeting will be there to generate, and so
Speaker 13: they can both come out and to clear that the
Speaker 13: deal's been done and everyone's a winner, winner.
Speaker 1: A great deal.
Speaker 3: I've heard it here first.
Speaker 2: Thanks Joe, see you later on the late debate and
Speaker 2: thanks so much, Claire.
Speaker 3: Thanks you.
Speaker 2: Now returning now to the anti Semitic attacks on the weekend,
Speaker 2: let's bring in Liberal Senator James Patterson. James, thank you
Speaker 2: very much for your time tonight, and you've been one
Speaker 2: of the strongest figures in the coalition on this issue,
Speaker 2: which is why I am so keen to speak to
Speaker 2: you this evening. The Jacinta Alan government has now announced
Speaker 2: an anti.
Speaker 3: Hate task force.
Speaker 2: Do you think this is good enough at this point?
Speaker 2: More reviews when really we know what needs to be done.
Speaker 16: Of course it's not good enough, Shari, And honestly, wasn't
Speaker 16: the fire bombing of the Dass Israel Synagogue last year
Speaker 16: enough for Cintererellen to realize that this was a serious
Speaker 16: crisis in Victoria? And indeed a serious crisis in our country.
Speaker 16: Why did it require the fire bombing of a second
Speaker 16: synagogue for her to establish a task force that will
Speaker 16: probably make the same recommendations that the Executive Council of
Speaker 16: Australia in Jury and others have made for the action
Speaker 16: which is required to combat this issue. I think the
Speaker 16: Allen government here in Victoria is guilty of the same
Speaker 16: thing that the Albanezi government is guilty of, which is
Speaker 16: they thought that anti Semitism would go away on its own,
Speaker 16: that it wouldn't require leadership, that it wouldn't require action,
Speaker 16: that it wouldn't require fortitude, that it wouldn't require strength,
Speaker 16: that if they just let it be, that it would
Speaker 16: eventually die acquiet death and go away and wouldn't be
Speaker 16: a problem anymore. I hope they have now been absolved
Speaker 16: of that false assumption, because this is a crisis, it's
Speaker 16: an ongoing one, it's getting worse, and it requires leadership
Speaker 16: and action.
Speaker 2: Now, James, you're very close to the Jewish community, so
Speaker 2: you would know what I said at the end of
Speaker 2: my editorial earlier is true that there are many Australian
Speaker 2: Jews questioning how safe life now is in our country,
Speaker 2: how safe people feel going to a synagogue, going to
Speaker 2: a restaurant that is owned by Jews or serves Israeli food.
Speaker 2: You know there are people leaving or thinking about leaving.
Speaker 2: How have we come to this as a nation?
Speaker 16: You're right, Chari, this is a sentiment which unfortunately I
Speaker 16: do here from the Jewish community in Australia and here
Speaker 16: in Melbourne, and I urge Australian Jews to stay committed
Speaker 16: to our country because we are a better country with
Speaker 16: you as part of it, and will be a far
Speaker 16: worse country if you ever feel you have to leave it.
Speaker 16: And frankly, if this country ever becomes unsafe for Jews,
Speaker 16: well then it's unsafe for me and my family and
Speaker 16: my friends and my community too. I don't want to
Speaker 16: be part of a country that's not safe for Jews.
Speaker 16: So we all have to band together and we have
Speaker 16: to fight to make it so, and we have to
Speaker 16: have expectations of our government that they will lead, that
Speaker 16: they will take action like you. I do give Tony
Speaker 16: Burk credit for a better response to this incident than
Speaker 16: the ADUs Israel synagogue. It took him almost a week
Speaker 16: to visit the Dudas Synagogue. He did no press conference.
Speaker 16: There wasn't even a social media post. This time, within
Speaker 16: forty eight hours he turned up. He held a press
Speaker 16: conference and his words I think were strong and they
Speaker 16: appeared to be heartfelt. But I will judge him by
Speaker 16: his deeds and his actions, not just by his words.
Speaker 16: And he could do well to go back to the
Speaker 16: Executive Council of Australian Jury's letter after the Sky News
Speaker 16: Anti Semitism summuch that contain those fifteen policy ideas, many
Speaker 16: which relate to him and his portfolio, including stripping the
Speaker 16: funding for organizations involved in promoting anti Semitism, Because, as
Speaker 16: Talli Blueberk have said in The Australian Today, this is
Speaker 16: not just about enforcement, law and consequences, which of course
Speaker 16: it is. It is also about the culture that leads
Speaker 16: to these attitudes festering. And if you let these organizations
Speaker 16: which promote hate and promote anti Semitism receive taxpayers money,
Speaker 16: then you're implying an endorsement of it. No wonder it
Speaker 16: gets so out of control.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Indeed, a couple of other things I want to ask
Speaker 2: you about. One is the Israeli government's strong rebuke really
Speaker 2: measurement Natiyaho weighed in on this. He released a statement
Speaker 2: demanding the Australian government take action to deal with the
Speaker 2: rioters to the fullest extend of the law. But which
Speaker 2: leads me to the second point. This death to the
Speaker 2: IDF chant. It's more transparent than from the river to
Speaker 2: the sea. Does it need to immediately be deemed hate speech?
Speaker 16: Well, the ugly face of the anti Israel movement is
Speaker 16: revealing itself every day more and more clearly in the community.
Speaker 16: If there was any doubt left about that, I think
Speaker 16: that doubt has now been removed. They want to terrorize Jews,
Speaker 16: they want them to feel unsafe. They're willing to go
Speaker 16: and protest aggressively, almost violently at restaurants as well as
Speaker 16: synagogues in order to achieve that aim. And they're being
Speaker 16: very clear that peace is not their objective. Now you
Speaker 16: and I always knew that peace wasn't they're objective, but
Speaker 16: they're making that very clear with those chances, and there
Speaker 16: has to be real consequences. I think that chance should
Speaker 16: be examined as to whether it or not constitutes incitement
Speaker 16: to violence. It seems pretty clear to me that the
Speaker 16: intent is to incite violence and while sometimes they're careful
Speaker 16: with their language and they say the IDF instead of Israelis,
Speaker 16: or they say Zionists instead of Jews, I think we
Speaker 16: all know what's underlying.
Speaker 2: That, particularly when the actions speak louder than the words
Speaker 2: and the places.
Speaker 3: They are targeting.
Speaker 2: Are you know, a synagogue, a Jewish place of worship,
Speaker 2: nothing to do with Israel?
Speaker 3: James Patterson, thank you so much, appreciate your clarity as always,
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: All Right, coming up, the devastating floods in Texas, Elon
Speaker 2: Musk's new political party.
Speaker 3: And Trump's tariff deadline.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about all of that with Koshagada, plus Ray
Speaker 2: Hadley's on the desk. We'll see what he thinks of
Speaker 2: the Aaron Patterson guilty verdict.
Speaker 3: That's after this quick break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, and let's bring in now our Monday regular
Speaker 2: Radio Laga and Ray Hardley.
Speaker 3: Ray.
Speaker 2: So much to talk about, and I want to start
Speaker 2: with the Aaron Pattison guilty verdict. Guilty, guilty, guilty. She
Speaker 2: was found to have murdered these three people by the jury.
Speaker 3: What did you did you think she was guilty the
Speaker 3: whole time?
Speaker 5: Well, obviously it's difficult when you're not in the court room.
Speaker 5: You know, you read the evidence, but you don't hear
Speaker 5: how it's presented. I listened to Justin Quill, who's wonderful
Speaker 5: lawyer in fact has represented me on many occasions in defamation.
Speaker 1: Preceding mister Quill, and I heard him in the past.
Speaker 5: Yes, hopefully no more anyway, sorry, Justin anyway, I heard
Speaker 5: him say that he wouldn't have been surprised either way
Speaker 5: it went.
Speaker 1: It's unanimous.
Speaker 5: But she's guilty of killing three people and attempting to
Speaker 5: kill another person. And if you go through the key
Speaker 5: evidence as I have this evening after the guilty finding,
Speaker 5: it's hard to.
Speaker 1: Not agree with the jury that it was ananimous verdict.
Speaker 5: The next phase, of course, the sentencing, which will obviously
Speaker 5: given us a triple murder, be a very long since,
Speaker 5: one would imagine.
Speaker 2: I just always wondered why, you know, obviously she made
Speaker 2: the deadly meal, but what was her motivations pill the
Speaker 2: in laws who were helping her with the children they
Speaker 2: were babysitting. I just find that really odd, unless you know,
Speaker 2: there was just something unusual.
Speaker 3: Going on in her mind.
Speaker 5: I think given the weight of evidence of a whole
Speaker 5: range of things that happened after the murders. There was
Speaker 5: certainly something going on in her mind, and we caun't
Speaker 5: sort of venture it was the madness perhaps, yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed now I when I ask your view on
Speaker 2: you know, I was having this conversation with Johide brand Claire.
Speaker 1: I heard it outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Alban Easy is surely completely damaging our
Speaker 2: relationship with the United States.
Speaker 3: And and he's closer to China.
Speaker 5: Now, he was about to have his fourth visit with
Speaker 5: the Chinese leader. He hasn't cracked it for a chat
Speaker 5: with Donald Trump yet. But it all started with sending
Speaker 5: Penny Wong.
Speaker 1: He might as well have sent me.
Speaker 5: All the good she did over there, as useful as
Speaker 5: a sun roof and a submarine. Penny trying to deal
Speaker 5: with the Americans, and after her views on Gaza and
Speaker 5: the rest of it, and putting herself at id with
Speaker 5: the Americans over a whole range of things, and now
Speaker 5: this oration over the course of the weekend with Greg Sheridan,
Speaker 5: and I have a huge respect for Gregor is a
Speaker 5: regular guest on my program when I was still doing it,
Speaker 5: and his analysis of it is just spot on. Without
Speaker 5: even thinking he's done really significant damage on the eve
Speaker 5: of debate about tariffs.
Speaker 1: Orcus and a whole range of things.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think the Prime Minister really understands
Speaker 5: how Donald Trump feels about the Ambassador Kevin Rudd, let
Speaker 5: alone how he might feel about him. They're from the
Speaker 5: opper side of politics, so you'll be doing your best.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a simple fact that from nineteen forty
Speaker 5: one and just beyond that, we relied heavily on the
Speaker 5: Americans and the Pacific, and if we getting strife again
Speaker 5: from our northern neighbors, we're going to have to rely
Speaker 5: upon them again and we need to have a really
Speaker 5: good relationship with them.
Speaker 2: Exactly if for whatever reason Alberiz he not needs to
Speaker 2: call in a favor from Trump, well he's got no
Speaker 2: relationship to speak of. And you know, you can't overstate
Speaker 2: the fact that it has been eight months since Donald
Speaker 2: Trump was elected and Albertiz he's got no meeting, no relationship.
Speaker 2: And you look how the labor Prime Minister in the UK, Kirstarma.
Speaker 3: Has handled it.
Speaker 2: And he's a lefty as well, and he handed it
Speaker 2: so well.
Speaker 1: It's probably even more lefty.
Speaker 5: But yeah, great, Sheridan makes the point that he talks
Speaker 5: about defending ourselves.
Speaker 1: I mean, have you looked at a defense budget lately?
Speaker 5: We might as well get robots like they did in
Speaker 5: seven and eighty eight and go outside the heads and
Speaker 5: go up a Hawksbury or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in all sorts of trouble. But now that's not
Speaker 1: going to change.
Speaker 2: The Australian Round the story this Afternoon by Steve Jackson
Speaker 2: that Eite Butchros is penning a memoir which includes her
Speaker 2: time at the ABC. It's going to be out in October.
Speaker 2: I think it's called and Apologetically iter. I think the
Speaker 2: title is from memory.
Speaker 3: So do you think it's going to be a.
Speaker 2: Bit of a tell all about what happened behind the
Speaker 2: scenes at the public broadcaster?
Speaker 5: Well, given that Ida has spent almost sixty years in
Speaker 5: the media, I'd think there's things that she would reveal
Speaker 5: that haven't been revealed previously pre the ABC. Let alone
Speaker 5: post the ABC, I had a short journey with her
Speaker 5: in about eighty two or eighty three, showing my age
Speaker 5: when she was presenting a program on two UI where
Speaker 5: I was a lowly placed race caller and not for long. Well,
Speaker 5: things changed dramatically over the years, but she was always
Speaker 5: courteous and always polite to the younger people around the place,
Speaker 5: including men.
Speaker 1: I've had a great deal of.
Speaker 5: Respect and time for her, and I guess that I'll
Speaker 5: be one of those people. October twenty eight to thing
Speaker 5: is released, along with a lot of ABC types, will
Speaker 5: be most concerned about what I have got to say, because.
Speaker 1: One thing I know about her she speaks to mine fourth.
Speaker 3: That's right exactly. By the way, She's been very good
Speaker 3: to me over the years.
Speaker 2: When I was clear magazine editor, she came over to
Speaker 2: my house, gave me advice, helped me out with my
Speaker 2: magazine covers, very generous.
Speaker 5: I think that she's made a focus of her life
Speaker 5: of helping young women with ability, and obviously you're one
Speaker 5: of those young women that benefited by her advice. And
Speaker 5: I think she's a fantastic lady. And I'm looking forward
Speaker 5: to the book and I hope she gives it the
Speaker 5: ABC in space.
Speaker 3: No, indeed, I hope she does as well. Now I
Speaker 3: have to ask you your view.
Speaker 2: On what is being mishandled when it comes to the
Speaker 2: anti savitism crisis in this country. How are we still
Speaker 2: speaking about this, you know, twenty one months after it
Speaker 2: first kicked off with vigor.
Speaker 5: Well, we could all be embarrassed at what's happened since
Speaker 5: with all these protests. But I was reading some stuff
Speaker 5: this morning about what happened in Melbourne on two separate
Speaker 5: occasions over the last week, and Krystal Mark got a mention.
Speaker 1: Now, no one at the.
Speaker 5: Protests would have a clue what Crystal Mark would mean,
Speaker 5: and I'd strongly suggest to them go to Google, get
Speaker 5: the good doctor Google out and have a look.
Speaker 1: Crystal Nark was a.
Speaker 5: Period in the nineteen thirties when Nazi Germany declared war
Speaker 5: on Jewish businesses and rampage through cities, destroying those businesses
Speaker 5: and destroying those people's livelihoods to try and in some
Speaker 5: way destroy them as a race. They almost succeeded, to
Speaker 5: the tune of six million people being exterminated during World
Speaker 5: War II. So to those ninkh and poops, those dunderheads
Speaker 5: who weren't around then, and not many of us were,
Speaker 5: but haven't read the history books about Crystal Nark, Think
Speaker 5: about what you did at that restaurant in Melbourne, and
Speaker 5: think about what the Nazis did in the nineteen thirties,
Speaker 5: and then you'll have some sort of idea of what
Speaker 5: policy you're following.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well said, couldn't agree more. And it has for
Speaker 2: the Holocaust survivors who are alive, it does bring back
Speaker 2: similarities and the trauma, the intergenerational trauma.
Speaker 5: You know, look, little wonderful country, but it's been a
Speaker 5: blight on our society since October seven.
Speaker 1: And one thing I will say.
Speaker 5: If I see Tony Burke talking out the side of
Speaker 5: his mouth one more time about how dreadfulness is. You
Speaker 5: should have been saying this on October eight, nine and ten,
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago, not down the track and
Speaker 5: trying to make out you're on the side of the
Speaker 5: Jewish faith.
Speaker 1: Mister Burke, because you're not.
Speaker 5: You've been missing in action, and you discuss me with
Speaker 5: your attempts to try and make up for your past wrongs.
Speaker 5: It's dreadful, and Tony Burke hang your head in shame.
Speaker 3: Well said.
Speaker 2: He's the Multicultural in Fairs Minister, he's the one in
Speaker 2: charge of all of this, and the Home Affairs minister.
Speaker 3: Now it's appalling, and you're right.
Speaker 2: The fact that he's now speaking up is just a
Speaker 2: re action of how bad the situation is. That he's
Speaker 2: now realizing that the gravity of it.
Speaker 5: He's been dragged kicking and screaming, I'm sure to the
Speaker 5: cameras because deep in the review of his mind, he
Speaker 5: doesn't mean what he says about the thing that Jewish faith.
Speaker 5: He never has, never has, insincerities dripping from every pore.
Speaker 1: Sorry if I've got a bit cranky, but it does
Speaker 1: make me cranky.
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for your for your anger and your fire.
Speaker 2: Wish you was still on the air in the morning
Speaker 2: to fire up at them all, but at least you're
Speaker 2: doing it here.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Ray, I get the vent by Anger one night.
Speaker 3: Awak, yeah, please hold on to it all right.
Speaker 2: Still to come, we'll get the latest from the floods
Speaker 2: in Texas. People children still missing, plus Elon Musk's new
Speaker 2: political party.
Speaker 3: That's after the break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, and let's turn now to the devastating floods
Speaker 2: in Texas and Sky News contributed Kosher Garda joins me. Now, Kosher,
Speaker 2: we know the death tolls now stands at eighty two.
Speaker 2: At least forty one people are still missing. But the
Speaker 2: question is, how did this escalate so quickly before any
Speaker 2: evacuation orders could be issued?
Speaker 3: How did it get to this point.
Speaker 17: That Shah is definitely one of the main questions everybody's asking.
Speaker 17: It seems like really a force of nature, just the
Speaker 17: speed and intensity with which the rainfall came. The weather
Speaker 17: forecast did not predict it accurately, the timing was very unlucky,
Speaker 17: and that the bulk of the rain happened at four
Speaker 17: or five o'clock in the morning, when most people were
Speaker 17: asleep and maybe not where or paying attention to evacuation
Speaker 17: orders that started to come in from the weather system
Speaker 17: and other authorities, and the rainfall just it was so
Speaker 17: dramatic that it was something like thirty inches or so
Speaker 17: is how much thirty feet I'm sorry, is how much
Speaker 17: it accumulated in under the span of an hour. So
Speaker 17: just sort of caught people off guard. And from that
Speaker 17: point you're swimming upstream unfortunately figuratively and literally, and it's
Speaker 17: just pure devastation. So much life has been lost.
Speaker 2: And what's so devastating about this is in the US,
Speaker 2: summer camps are a very big thing, and many of
Speaker 2: those who are missing or even were killed, we're children
Speaker 2: on a summer camp.
Speaker 17: Yeah, so it's a camp called Mystic Camp in this
Speaker 17: area in Central Texas is really beautiful. It's sort of
Speaker 17: a valley, it's very mountainous around it, and it's a
Speaker 17: popular place for camps, including summer camp. Twenty eight children
Speaker 17: out of that depth toll are our children from ages
Speaker 17: as young as six to sixteen, and there is search
Speaker 17: and rescue missions going on right now, and something like
Speaker 17: eleven of the people that we still have missing are
Speaker 17: still unfortunately very young children. So it's just really really sad.
Speaker 17: These people are at summer camp and sleeping in their
Speaker 17: campers where this rainfall just came kind of out of
Speaker 17: nowhere and just snuck up on them.
Speaker 3: It's just so devastating.
Speaker 2: And there's an expected twenty five to seventy five millimeters
Speaker 2: more rain expected in the coming day, so that is
Speaker 2: hopefully the situation doesn't get worse. At least people are
Speaker 2: prepared now, but you know, for those missing, just terrible.
Speaker 2: And now, Koach, I want to ask you about Elon
Speaker 2: Musk's new political party. He's calling it America, the America Party.
Speaker 2: Trump has responded to it. Have a look at this.
Speaker 12: I think it's.
Speaker 18: Ridiculous to start a third party. We have a tremendous
Speaker 18: success with the Republican party. The Democrats have lost their way,
Speaker 18: but it's always been a two party system, and I
Speaker 18: think starting a third party just hands to confusion.
Speaker 2: I mean, koshar I thought their feud wouldn't last long
Speaker 2: and they'd sought it out because this is just embarrassing
Speaker 2: taking place in the world stage, and it's affecting Tesla's
Speaker 2: stock as well.
Speaker 17: Yes, this is you know, people have liken it to
Speaker 17: Godzilla versus King Kong, where they just studies two big
Speaker 17: juggernaut figures. And I also thought, like, you're sorry that
Speaker 17: it was just words and rhetorical back and forth. But
Speaker 17: he does seem to be doubling down with this. Where
Speaker 17: Trump is coming from with that statement is in the US,
Speaker 17: which is a winner take all system. Third parties never win.
Speaker 17: They've historically never ever won. It's never going to work
Speaker 17: in terms of gaining control of the government. But what
Speaker 17: it can do is be a spoiler or an influencer,
Speaker 17: a cannibalization effect for one of the two parties. It's
Speaker 17: happened a couple of times in history, Ross Perot in
Speaker 17: nineteen ninety two. It's widely regarded was a big factor
Speaker 17: in Clinton's victory over Bush. The Elder and back in
Speaker 17: the eighteen fifties, Millard Fillmore actually got the highest number
Speaker 17: of the popular vote in US history and is regarded
Speaker 17: to a cannibalized Republican Party then as well. So I
Speaker 17: think that's the concern that Trump is raising. If he
Speaker 17: were to do this, could cannibalize and maybe hand victory
Speaker 17: to the Democrats, and if not in the presidential in
Speaker 17: the upcoming midterms. But we shall see if Musk is
Speaker 17: serious or if it's still just rhetoric.
Speaker 3: All right, Kasha Gott, I really appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: Thank you, And after the break, just Into Alan is
Speaker 2: poised to win the next election despite.
Speaker 3: Chaos in Melbourne. That's next. Welcome back and let's bring
Speaker 3: it now.
Speaker 2: Anti Defamation Commission Chairman devere Abrahma Viktavia, thank you for
Speaker 2: joining us.
Speaker 3: The polls are.
Speaker 2: Showing Victorian premierges Into Alan is the favorite to win
Speaker 2: the vic state election. This is despite chaos in her state,
Speaker 2: not the least of which was the events of Friday night.
Speaker 2: She didn't bother to turn up to the synagogue right away.
Speaker 2: Still no arrests for the dast fire bombing back in December.
Speaker 2: Do you think the state government's response has been good
Speaker 2: enough here.
Speaker 19: Before I get to that, and thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 19: Driving on the way here, I was reminded of Charles
Speaker 19: the Golden form of French president. He wrote a book,
Speaker 19: a memoir, and the first line was, I've always had
Speaker 19: a certain idea about France, and I've lived here for
Speaker 19: thirty nine years, Shari, and I had a certain idea
Speaker 19: about Australia as an open, tolerant, welcoming, safe country for Jews.
Speaker 19: But that if no longer holds. It's been absolutely shattered
Speaker 19: and it's clear to me and it's clear to everyone.
Speaker 19: I think that something very bad is happening. And I've
Speaker 19: spoken to Holocaust survivors who came here after the war
Speaker 19: and they said to me that in living memory, they've
Speaker 19: never seen an expression and the levels of antisemitism that
Speaker 19: we are seeing today, you know, the tsunami of antisemitism
Speaker 19: has been rising since October seven. And what happened over
Speaker 19: the weekend, the incidents at is Melbourne Synagogue and the
Speaker 19: mis known restaurant, was simply plunging the knife even deeper
Speaker 19: into the heart of every Jew. And yes, I welcome
Speaker 19: the establishment of the task Force by a Premier Cina Allen.
Speaker 19: But I hope that it's a task force of action,
Speaker 19: not just press releases. We are getting to a point,
Speaker 19: and I want your listeners and your viewers to hear this.
Speaker 19: We are getting to a point that being Jewish in Australia,
Speaker 19: going into a synagogue we're a star of David Oriyamica.
Speaker 19: Going into an Israeli restaurant, even owning a Jewish business
Speaker 19: means that you ask yourself, will I get home tonight?
Speaker 19: Will I end up in hospital? And being Jewish shouldn't
Speaker 19: carry a risk assessment and it shouldn't mean that you
Speaker 19: have a target on your back. But that's the terrifying
Speaker 19: situation that we find ourselves in.
Speaker 2: So with this crisis of social cohesion across Australia, but
Speaker 2: particularly acute in Victoria, everything else that's going wrong with
Speaker 2: the state, the budget, transport. You know, is it difficult
Speaker 2: to understand why the polls are saying that Jacinta Allen
Speaker 2: is set to be returned.
Speaker 19: Look, I'm not sure about you know, the political punditary.
Speaker 19: All I know is that for too long we've had
Speaker 19: elected leaders, not just in Victoria but across the country
Speaker 19: is accusing the violent rhetoric. There are people out there
Speaker 19: shari who revise Zionism that they've lost sight of the
Speaker 19: fact that we are human. They legitimize us, they defame,
Speaker 19: they dehumanize us, and they turn us into objects of hatred.
Speaker 1: And guess what.
Speaker 19: When you turn people into objects of hatred, you declare
Speaker 19: open season on the Jewish community. And it's not a
Speaker 19: surprise that people feel that we are fair game for
Speaker 19: violence and for harassment and for intimidation.
Speaker 3: No, indeed, it is.
Speaker 2: And I should mention that crime broadly is a serious
Speaker 2: issue in Victoria as well.
Speaker 3: You know, of course we.
Speaker 2: Have seen this extreme anti Semitic violence on the weekend,
Speaker 2: but crime has been plaguing the state from mastevere Abramovich,
Speaker 2: appreciate your time. Thank you so much, all right, and
Speaker 2: thank you for your company tonight.
Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock. And right now,
Speaker 3: here's Paul Murray no man Cave