WEBVTT - Sharri | 7 July

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Sharry Good Evening, A big show coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>Anti Semitism explodes on the streets of Melbourne as Albanese's

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<v Speaker 2>lack of leadership is on display yet again, which begs

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<v Speaker 2>the question is Australia safe for Jews. Senator James Patterson

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<v Speaker 2>will join me live shortly. Also tonight, we'll show you

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<v Speaker 2>the footage of Aaron Patterson that was examined by the

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<v Speaker 2>jury and will discuss the guilty verdict with top lawyer

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<v Speaker 2>Justin Quill. The Prime Minister gears up for his fourth

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<v Speaker 2>trip to see the Chinese President while failing to secure

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<v Speaker 2>even one meeting with Donald Trump. Ray Hadley fires up

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<v Speaker 2>this hour plus Nettayahu heads to the White House to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss the ceasefire in Gaza and expanding.

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<v Speaker 3>The Abraham Accords.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all coming up, but first tonight to the weekend

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<v Speaker 2>of horror in Melbourne. Synagogue satellite cars torched and inn

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli restaurants stormed and families terrorized. This is the violent,

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<v Speaker 2>racist country that we're now living in that's increasingly unsafe

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<v Speaker 2>for Jewish Australians and we want this would happen over

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<v Speaker 2>and over again. We begged for the federal government to

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<v Speaker 2>show leadership. We even developed an anti Semitism blueprint to

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<v Speaker 2>help solve this crisis at our Sky News Antisemitism Summit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet Albanezi did not adopt a single one of those recommendations.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps he naively believed if he did nothing, if he

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<v Speaker 2>buried his head in the sand, the problem would go away.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course it hasn't, and under his watch our

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<v Speaker 2>country has irrevocably changed. This is now Australia a violent,

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<v Speaker 2>unsafe nation where racism has been allowed to flourish, where

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<v Speaker 2>a peaceful, philanthropic, caring community has been demonized and scapegoated

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<v Speaker 2>while out of control Palestinian activists are endlessly protected by

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<v Speaker 2>the law and the leadership. And we saw on Friday

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<v Speaker 2>night at one of Australia's oldest synagogues, the East Melbourne

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrew Synagogue.

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<v Speaker 3>Jews were the target's Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>A man rang the synagogue's doorbell around eight pm twice. Inside,

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<v Speaker 2>about twenty Jews were at Shabbat, that's the Friday evening meal.

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<v Speaker 2>The Age newspaper reports a thirteen year old was in

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<v Speaker 2>the synagogue office and heard the bell through the security monitors.

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<v Speaker 2>He reportedly saw a man he didn't recognize and thankfully, thankfully,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't open the door. The man then lit a

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<v Speaker 2>petro bomb at the entrance of the synagogue, where it detonated,

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<v Speaker 2>and the damage from the bomb wasn't worse only because

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<v Speaker 2>the synagogue added extra protection just a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>including a blastproof reinforced steel security door. The alleged culprit

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<v Speaker 2>has now been arrested, Angelo Loris, aged thirty four. He

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<v Speaker 2>lives in the Sydney suburb of Toungabby.

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<v Speaker 4>The man charged with setting fire to the front of

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<v Speaker 4>a Melbourne synagogue is behind bars. Tonight, counter terror police

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<v Speaker 4>arrested thirty four year old Angelo Loris, who did not

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<v Speaker 4>apply for bail, over the alleged attack.

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<v Speaker 2>And then on the same night, a Jewish owned restaurant,

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<v Speaker 2>miz Non, in Melbourne's popular Hardware Lane was stormed by

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<v Speaker 2>around twenty masked protesters who were chanting death to the IDF.

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<v Speaker 2>They terrorized families eating dinner and toppled furniture.

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<v Speaker 3>These were those disgraceful scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>The genesis of this began a day earlier when social

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<v Speaker 2>media accounts demanded a boycott of this restaurant and they

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<v Speaker 2>shared the address now as you heard there the protesters

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<v Speaker 2>were chanting death to the IDF, a murderous phrase. And

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<v Speaker 2>here's where that chance started at the Glastonbury Music Festival.

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<v Speaker 5>Stiff to the IDF, the id to the IDF.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you just can't get your head around it.

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<v Speaker 2>A music festival repeating a death chant. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>festival just like the one where two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>young people were gunned down, chased and hunted before being murdered,

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<v Speaker 2>a massacre at the Nova Music Festival. Apparently forgot it

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<v Speaker 2>at Glastonbury and now forgotten in Australia and also in

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne on Friday night, three cars were torched and yet

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<v Speaker 2>another anti Semitic incident.

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<v Speaker 6>Police are on the hunt for five mask defenders after

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<v Speaker 6>a targeted arson attack at a business in Melbourne's northeast.

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<v Speaker 6>CCTV capture the group setting fire to three cars and

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<v Speaker 6>spray painting slogans on the Greensborough property just before four

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<v Speaker 6>am on Saturday, before fleeing on e bikes. It is

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<v Speaker 6>believed the business is a weapons company with links to Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know the answer to this, but we need

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<v Speaker 2>to know whether those three incidents on the same night

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<v Speaker 2>are connected.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. You'd think we'd be used to all of this

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<v Speaker 3>by now, but we're not.

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<v Speaker 2>None of this is new, although the sadness never gets easier.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been around six months since arsonists tried to set

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<v Speaker 2>allite the newtown S Cinema in Sydney, a preschool completely

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<v Speaker 2>destroyed in another fire bombing, while cars and buildings also

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<v Speaker 2>torched in Sydney's East. And it's been six months too

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<v Speaker 2>since the Adas Israel Synagogue in Melbourne was firebombed. So

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<v Speaker 2>you'll mean the first thing that hits you, it's the smell,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so strong, and the soot, the police tape. This

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be what it's like walking into a synagogue country.

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<v Speaker 2>And after that attack we heard much the same political

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<v Speaker 2>commentary as we have again now this must be condemned,

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<v Speaker 2>the full force of the law felt Adisemitism has no

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<v Speaker 2>place in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>The same lines, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet all these months on, still no one has been

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<v Speaker 2>caught or arrested for fire bombing the Adas Synagogue. And

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<v Speaker 2>these platitudes have become meaningless, their words unmatched by action,

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<v Speaker 2>and the protests full of hatred continue you in Melbourne

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<v Speaker 2>and Sydney, most weekends, encouraged by angry political rhetoric, as

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<v Speaker 2>The Door Foundation's Talie Blickbau writes in The Australian Today,

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<v Speaker 2>every week protesters march through the streets of Melbourne calling

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<v Speaker 2>for interfada and revolution, and this is amplified online. Who

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<v Speaker 2>could be surprised that calls for uprising would lead to

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<v Speaker 2>actual uprising? And Jewish leader Mark Leebler makes the same point.

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<v Speaker 2>He writes, as long as protests accompanied by chance of

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<v Speaker 2>zionus to terrorists, death to the IDF, globalize the Intovada

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<v Speaker 2>and river to the Sea continue, violence directed at the

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish community and its institutions will follow. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>this angry, hateful, pro Palestinian protest movement is so dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not peaceful expression of political speech, as many.

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<v Speaker 3>Try to claim.

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<v Speaker 2>It's cultivating and nurturing hatred against Jews. It's excusing and

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<v Speaker 2>justifying cruelty and violence. The perpetrators who firearm Jewish institutions

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<v Speaker 2>presumably intend to kill, harass, or harm Jews. They are

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<v Speaker 2>motivated by their hatred of Israel, a hatred the Albanezi

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<v Speaker 2>government perpetuates with its actions and its.

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<v Speaker 3>Anti Israel rhetoric.

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<v Speaker 2>One Israeli minister made this point formally in an official

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<v Speaker 2>letter to Albanizi. He wrote, this alarming climate is unfolding

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<v Speaker 2>under your government's watch, and is further legitimized by recent

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<v Speaker 2>actions to deny entry to former Israeli minister IoLET Shaked

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<v Speaker 2>and pro Israel advocate Hillel Ford. These choices are seen

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<v Speaker 2>as discriminatory and embolden those who spread hate. This is

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<v Speaker 2>no longer a matter of rising tensions. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>test of leadership, and he warns that silence sends a

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous message that Jewish safety is negotiable. Now, we told

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<v Speaker 2>the Albanezy government of a clear strategy that would help

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<v Speaker 2>them tackle anti Semitism. That was the point of our

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<v Speaker 2>sky New summit in February, attended by some of the

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<v Speaker 2>smartest brains in the country, including Justice Michael Lee, John Howard,

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<v Speaker 2>Greg Craven, Holocaust survivors, the Israelian Ambassador to Australia, Mire Maimon,

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<v Speaker 2>the Deputy Police Commissioner Dave Hudson, former Treasurer Josh Friedenberg,

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<v Speaker 2>and many more, and they spoke and discussed much needed reform.

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<v Speaker 7>It is a great moral failing of the leadership of

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<v Speaker 7>at least some of our university set. Some students, to

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<v Speaker 7>my personal knowledge, are now afraid aid of being identified

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<v Speaker 7>by their fellow students.

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<v Speaker 8>Has been Jewish at Frosity of the seventh of October

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<v Speaker 8>twenty twenty three saw the largest number of Jewish people's

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<v Speaker 8>slaughters in the Holocaust. That's the fact that needed more

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<v Speaker 8>than general denunci agents.

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<v Speaker 2>And through this summit, along with the Executive Council of

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<v Speaker 2>Australian Jury, redeveloped fifteen recommendations across national security, education, the

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<v Speaker 2>university sector, migration, citizenships, social.

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<v Speaker 3>Media and more. And they included.

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<v Speaker 2>Declaration of a national emergency on anti Semitism and the

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<v Speaker 2>establishment of a Joint counter Terror Task Force. The repeal

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<v Speaker 2>of charity status and funding from religious and charitable institutions

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<v Speaker 2>if they promote racism or displayed terror symbols. Another one,

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<v Speaker 2>the Migration Act should be enforced or amended to ensure

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<v Speaker 2>antisemitic conduct is grounds to reject a visa or cal

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<v Speaker 2>an existing one. New social media legislation, such as algorithms

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<v Speaker 2>regulation laws should be introduced to counter foreign interference. There's

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen sensible areas of reform that would have a meaningful

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<v Speaker 2>impact in reducing anti Semitism.

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<v Speaker 9>We are calling for this plan of action to be

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<v Speaker 9>endorsed by both major parties and independent candidates, and for

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<v Speaker 9>public institutions in the private sector to work with community

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<v Speaker 9>for its implementation.

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<v Speaker 2>We did the thoughtful and meaningful work for the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't have to develop a single policy, yet he

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<v Speaker 2>then refused to implement any of our recommendations, not one,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's categorically not doing all he can. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what the Jewish community has asked for and he's refused

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<v Speaker 2>to action it. In fact, Albanezi has failed to comprehensively

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<v Speaker 2>address this. He didn't hold a press conference over the

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<v Speaker 2>weekend about these attacks in Melbourne and this is not

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<v Speaker 2>what leadership looks like. His fellow lifelong pro Palestinian activist

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Burke visited the synagogue yesterday with the dumped Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>former minister Mark Dreyfus, and at least Tony Burke seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to grasp the gravity of the situation.

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<v Speaker 10>Arson attacks, the chanting calls for death, other attacks and graffiti,

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<v Speaker 10>none of it belonged to Australia, and they were attacks

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<v Speaker 10>on Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is new.

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<v Speaker 2>He now seems to he can see with his own

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<v Speaker 2>eyes what we're actually dealing with. But if he truly

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<v Speaker 2>wants to end this crisis, then he needs to adopt

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<v Speaker 2>our action points from our Antisemitism summit. As you'll recall,

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<v Speaker 2>when we held that summit, Mark Dreyfus accused us of

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<v Speaker 2>doing it for ratings.

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<v Speaker 11>Anti Semitism cannot and must not be weaponized in the

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<v Speaker 11>pursuit of votes. It must not be weaponized in the

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<v Speaker 11>pursuit of newspaper sales or TV ratings either.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that suggestion wasn't that our newspapers or television

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<v Speaker 2>stations are weaponizing this, because we certainly are not.

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<v Speaker 3>We are defending our values.

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<v Speaker 2>No one who is hurting deeply from this antisemitism crisis

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia could possibly make such a crude suggestion. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's the problem with the Albanezy government. They believe this

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<v Speaker 2>was all confected. They didn't genuinely believe drastic action was

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<v Speaker 2>needed despite the multiple firebombings, the arson attacks, the torched

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<v Speaker 2>cars and the vandalized officers.

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<v Speaker 3>It's enough.

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<v Speaker 2>It was enough long ago, and now the Australian Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>community can't help. But ask is it still safe to

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<v Speaker 2>live here in Australia. When and where will the next

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<v Speaker 2>attack be? Should we be moving somewhere else to protect

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<v Speaker 2>our children and our families? These are the questions we're

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<v Speaker 2>helplessly asking in our darkest hour.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to come back to that topic.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got James Patterson on the show a bit later.

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<v Speaker 2>Also Claire Lehman and Joe hilde Brand will talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it with them. Two Ray Hadley a bit late. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure he'll have something to say. But now let's turn

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<v Speaker 2>to the big news this afternoon, the mushroom trial in

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria that has sent shockwaves worldwide. After seven days of deliberations,

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<v Speaker 2>a jury has found Aaron Patterson guilty of murdering three

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<v Speaker 2>relatives of her estranged husband.

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<v Speaker 3>New pictures have tonight been.

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<v Speaker 2>Released of the leftovers of the deadly beef Wellington meal

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<v Speaker 2>that's the meal, also a photograph of Aaron Patterson's dining

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<v Speaker 2>table where her lunch guests.

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<v Speaker 3>Ate that fatal meal.

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<v Speaker 2>The jury was also shown this footage of Aaron Patterson

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<v Speaker 2>checking herself out of hospital after she claimed to have

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<v Speaker 2>eaten the deadly mushroom meal. And she was checking out

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<v Speaker 2>of hospital against medical advice. Yet a day earlier she

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<v Speaker 2>seemed fine walking into a service station where she'd bought

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<v Speaker 2>some food. So this was part of the footage and

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence that the jury considered.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's bring in.

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<v Speaker 2>Now media lawyer and partner at Thompson Gear Justin Queil Justin,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much for your time tonight. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>expect this verdict this afternoon based on the evidence that

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<v Speaker 2>was presented over the course of the trial, Look.

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<v Speaker 12>I probably did, but I always thought it was going

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<v Speaker 12>to be close, And to be frank, the longer the

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<v Speaker 12>deliberations went on, the more the chances that the jury

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<v Speaker 12>were going to find reasonable doubt in So look, if

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<v Speaker 12>they'd come back this afternoon and found not guilty, I

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<v Speaker 12>wouldn't have fallen off my chair. But I did think

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<v Speaker 12>it was probably more lucky than not they were going

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<v Speaker 12>to find her guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there were a lot of lies that were

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<v Speaker 2>exposed on Aaron Patterson's part throughout the case, but one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that the Crown case never achieved was a clear.

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<v Speaker 3>Cut motive for the murders.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was something that I found interesting watching it,

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<v Speaker 2>because clearly she was guilty in the sense that she

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<v Speaker 2>did cook this deadly meal that led to the three deaths,

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<v Speaker 2>But what was her motive? Was this something that you

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<v Speaker 2>found unusual justin that the crown case wasn't able to

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<v Speaker 2>put forward a clear cut motive.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I mean there was hints around, you know, a

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<v Speaker 12>bit of a dispute with the husband over childcare payments

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<v Speaker 12>and the like, and there was some pretty basic criticism

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<v Speaker 12>of the victims Buyer and Patterson in some WhatsApp groups

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<v Speaker 12>some months earlier. That criticism was pretty mild, really when

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<v Speaker 12>you think about families in the middle of breakups and

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<v Speaker 12>divorces and what have you. So I absolutely agree the

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<v Speaker 12>lack of motive or lack of motive that would justify

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<v Speaker 12>the killing of three people and the attempted murder of

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<v Speaker 12>the fourth is surprising. I also thought it was surprising

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<v Speaker 12>in fact that the prosecution all they really did on

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<v Speaker 12>motive at the start of the case in opening was

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<v Speaker 12>say we don't need to prove motive.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is true.

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<v Speaker 12>But I did wonder whether just telling the jury we

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<v Speaker 12>don't need to prove it, so we're not going to

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<v Speaker 12>bother and don't you worry about it, whether that was

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<v Speaker 12>actually going to cut the mustard, and whether the jury

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<v Speaker 12>were going to be able to sufficiently put it out

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<v Speaker 12>of their minds. So it was a fascinating aspect of it,

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<v Speaker 12>and reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury it

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<v Speaker 12>was probably going to come from the lack of motive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, because she or her defense case, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>could have argued and as they did that, she got

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<v Speaker 2>the bags of mushrooms mixed up and she didn't intend

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<v Speaker 2>to kill them. So fascinating, and of course we're still

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<v Speaker 2>to see what her sentence will be.

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<v Speaker 3>Justin Quill really appreciate your analysis. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's return to the weekend's anti Semitic attacks,

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<v Speaker 2>also the rest of the day's big stories with Collette

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<v Speaker 2>founding editor Claire Lehmann and Sky News host Joe Hildebrand.

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<v Speaker 2>Great you, Joe, you know, we just I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you about that point I made that every

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<v Speaker 2>time something happens, we have the same lines regurgitated by

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<v Speaker 2>the politicians, but no new action, no new reform.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 13>I think lumping anti semitism in with other forms of

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<v Speaker 13>racism or discrimination, I think is in itself a complete

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<v Speaker 13>failure to understand and the extremely precise nature of anti

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<v Speaker 13>Semitism and it's extremely specific history, a history that is

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<v Speaker 13>both religiously based and Christians have been the worst persecutors

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<v Speaker 13>of Jews throughout history until a certain Nazi dictator came along.

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<v Speaker 13>Not in recent times, no, but the point being that there.

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<v Speaker 3>Is some of our greatest allies.

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<v Speaker 13>That's absolutely right, and as a card currying Catholic, I'm

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<v Speaker 13>very glad that we are. But the point being there

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<v Speaker 13>has been always, throughout history been a very specific targeting

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<v Speaker 13>of Jewish people for very specific reasons, and that morphed into.

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<v Speaker 1>The horrors of the Holocaust.

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<v Speaker 13>So to say, you know, you know, we're going to

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<v Speaker 13>you know, there's been another attack on a synagogue, or

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<v Speaker 13>someone's running in you know, through Israeli restaurants chanting death

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<v Speaker 13>to the IDF because someone decided that would be a

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<v Speaker 13>really fun chance to start at a music festival in

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<v Speaker 13>front of tens.

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<v Speaker 1>Of thousands of people.

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<v Speaker 13>We're just going to clamp down on all discrimination or

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<v Speaker 13>all racism. It's a bit like saying, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 13>we've found that the airbags don't work in Holden commodorees,

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<v Speaker 13>so we're going to ban all cars from the road.

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<v Speaker 13>What you need to do is you need to address

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<v Speaker 13>the very specific causes, and this is a very specific

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<v Speaker 13>epidemic of hatred and violence against one particular group of

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<v Speaker 13>the community, based on propaganda and deliberate fueling of this

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<v Speaker 13>by high profile people like we saw at Glass Andbury,

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<v Speaker 13>and that is what needs to be target and address.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think part of the issue is that you

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<v Speaker 2>have two lifelong pro Palestinian activists in Tony Burke and Albanize.

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<v Speaker 13>But the activists do not see Tony Burke.

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<v Speaker 2>Or well, he has been he has been involved in

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<v Speaker 2>the cause for a long time, got lots of documentation

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<v Speaker 2>to that effect.

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<v Speaker 3>Claire, you know, the part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>As I was talking about in the start of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>quoting Tarlie Blickbau and Mark Leebert, are these protests where

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<v Speaker 2>these hateful chants emerge. The argument has been free speech,

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<v Speaker 2>political expression, but free speech shouldn't extend.

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<v Speaker 3>To hate speech.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we can't excuse this breeding of violence any law,

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<v Speaker 2>can we.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I think it's telling that they're now using the

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<v Speaker 14>chant death to the idea if it shows that they're

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<v Speaker 14>not a peace movement, they're a pro war movement, a

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<v Speaker 14>pro death movement. And like Joe says, anti semitism is

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<v Speaker 14>different to racism because it's not motivated by contempt. It's

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<v Speaker 14>often motivated by feelings of envy. It's conspiratorial in nature.

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<v Speaker 14>And so the failure of our leaders isn't just the

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<v Speaker 14>failure of law enforcement. It's a failure to step up

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<v Speaker 14>and say that these conspiracy theories that you hear about

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<v Speaker 14>the Jewish people online, spread by high profile influences and

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<v Speaker 14>you know, pop stars at Gastonbury and so on, these

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<v Speaker 14>conspiracy theories are false. They need to say more than

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<v Speaker 14>simply anti Semitism has no place here. They need to

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<v Speaker 14>falsify the propaganda that is being spread. And as I

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<v Speaker 14>wrote in The Australian over the weekend, this propaganda has

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<v Speaker 14>been around for decades and we know from the work

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<v Speaker 14>of historians and from declassified CIA documents that the Soviets

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<v Speaker 14>funded this disinformation about Israel purposely after the nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 14>seven war in order to drive a wedge in the West,

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<v Speaker 14>in order to hurt the West. It's not just about

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<v Speaker 14>hurting Israel, it's about hurting all Western nations and about

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<v Speaker 14>attacking Western values. And so there really needs to be

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<v Speaker 14>more of a concerted effort to counter this disinformation. And

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<v Speaker 14>I just I don't see any real leadership or any

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<v Speaker 14>effort to do so at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>And in more recent times. Of course, some of that

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<v Speaker 2>has been funded by the iigc Iran of course, and

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<v Speaker 2>the kataris well, there's still foreign at play here.

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<v Speaker 13>Interesting point, Bob Villain, the group that's chanted death Death

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<v Speaker 13>to the IDF. In other footage that hasn't been as

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<v Speaker 13>widely circulated, they actually brag about supporting violence. They say,

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<v Speaker 13>quote unquote, we are not passive. He says, there's a

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<v Speaker 13>lot of passive and that's me an.

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<v Speaker 3>Update on this.

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<v Speaker 14>Happily, there's a clip of them saying, we want every

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<v Speaker 14>idea of soldier to die.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like a metaphor.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 13>So they actually brag about supporting violence. Interestingly though, in

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<v Speaker 13>proof of just what a performative wank fest this is

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<v Speaker 13>and how gutless they are. Of course, they don't follow

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<v Speaker 13>through of that. They're not the ones putting their own

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<v Speaker 13>lives on the line or actually having to endure or

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<v Speaker 13>even see the violence.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just supporting other people and aligning themselves with that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just it's just street.

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<v Speaker 13>It's extremely dangerous and reckless virtue signaling basically, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, let's have a look at alban Easy, because he

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be putting Australia's alliance with America into question

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<v Speaker 2>over the weekend with a speech that took a subtle

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<v Speaker 2>swipe at Trump. This is what Albinizi had to say

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<v Speaker 2>when he was speaking at the John Curtain Research Center.

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<v Speaker 15>Curtain's famous state that Australia looked to America was much

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<v Speaker 15>more than the idea of trading one strategic guaranteur for another, well,

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<v Speaker 15>swapping an alliance with the old world for one with

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<v Speaker 15>the new. There was a recognition that Australia's fate would

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<v Speaker 15>be decided in our region.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Joe, it seems like Albanize is further jeopardizing

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's alliance with the United States.

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<v Speaker 13>I think this might be one of those sort of

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<v Speaker 13>magic eye things where you see what you want to

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<v Speaker 13>see is that.

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<v Speaker 1>The rawsch actess.

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<v Speaker 13>I was in the room on Saturday night when he

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<v Speaker 13>made that speech.

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<v Speaker 1>That speech was.

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<v Speaker 3>Made as a friend, as a.

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<v Speaker 13>Guest of the John Curtin Research Center, and as a

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<v Speaker 13>guest of Nick Dironfirth, who was the director of the

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<v Speaker 13>John Curtin Research Center.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a very proud Jew.

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<v Speaker 13>On the show, and he's obviously in the senior figure

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<v Speaker 13>in the Labor Party. I was sitting next to him,

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<v Speaker 13>literally right next to him as his guest, as albot

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<v Speaker 13>was giving the speech, and there was certain not a

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<v Speaker 13>sense that there was no sort of sense in the

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<v Speaker 13>ruin that this is Albanese distancing himself from the US

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<v Speaker 13>or flipping the bird of the US or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 13>This was simply saying that he would put Australia's geostrategic

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<v Speaker 13>interests front center.

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<v Speaker 2>Foreign editor Greg Sheridan in The Australia has taken a

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<v Speaker 2>different view and it's reinforced by the fact that Albanese

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<v Speaker 2>is preparing for his fourth meeting with President. She hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>managed to secure meeting with Trump despite the fact he

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<v Speaker 2>was elected in November.

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<v Speaker 14>Clay, Yeah, I think these things are a bit tricky,

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<v Speaker 14>and when it comes to foreign policy, we have to

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<v Speaker 14>see look at what leaders do, not what they say.

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<v Speaker 14>And Urbanese is not substantially increasing our spending on defense,

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<v Speaker 14>and if we were actually disentangling ourselves or distancing ourselves

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<v Speaker 14>from the US, we would we seeing a massive ramp

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<v Speaker 14>up in defense spending. The only way we can have

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<v Speaker 14>things like the ndis in our generous welfare state is

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<v Speaker 14>because we live under the protection of the US security umbrella.

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<v Speaker 14>If we distance ourselves from that, well then it's funding

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<v Speaker 14>from schools, funding from hospitals into our defense. And so

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<v Speaker 14>that's not going to happen. And so I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 14>we've got to be clear on who the audience is.

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<v Speaker 14>And probably Albanezi was just focusing on the audience in

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<v Speaker 14>that room, a local, domestic audience, and he's probably not

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<v Speaker 14>trying to telegraph anything too serious over to the Americans.

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<v Speaker 3>I think if there was.

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<v Speaker 14>Any serious movement towards a different foreign policy, we'd be

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<v Speaker 14>seeing a far different budget than we are at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's no doubt that he has zero relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>the President.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the United States. I mean it's almost unheard of.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, but I mean there's going to be a great

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<v Speaker 14>deal of diplomats and other professionals in the so called

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<v Speaker 14>deep state. He was still going to be on the

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<v Speaker 14>phone and you know, keeping up the relationship between the

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<v Speaker 14>two nations.

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<v Speaker 2>Right whether they can get any positive outcomes, because I somehow.

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<v Speaker 3>Doubt can be doing.

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<v Speaker 13>Eventually they will meet and I think there will be

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<v Speaker 13>an increase in Australia's defense spending and Trump will come

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<v Speaker 13>out and say yes, we support UCARST. So I think

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<v Speaker 13>all that movement that people are looking for, that is

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<v Speaker 13>what the meeting will be there to generate, and so

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<v Speaker 13>they can both come out and to clear that the

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<v Speaker 13>deal's been done and everyone's a winner, winner.

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<v Speaker 1>A great deal.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard it here first.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Joe, see you later on the late debate and

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<v Speaker 2>thanks so much, Claire.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks you.

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<v Speaker 2>Now returning now to the anti Semitic attacks on the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>let's bring in Liberal Senator James Patterson. James, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much for your time tonight, and you've been one

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<v Speaker 2>of the strongest figures in the coalition on this issue,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why I am so keen to speak to

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<v Speaker 2>you this evening. The Jacinta Alan government has now announced

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<v Speaker 2>an anti.

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<v Speaker 3>Hate task force.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think this is good enough at this point?

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<v Speaker 2>More reviews when really we know what needs to be done.

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<v Speaker 16>Of course it's not good enough, Shari, And honestly, wasn't

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<v Speaker 16>the fire bombing of the Dass Israel Synagogue last year

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<v Speaker 16>enough for Cintererellen to realize that this was a serious

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<v Speaker 16>crisis in Victoria? And indeed a serious crisis in our country.

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<v Speaker 16>Why did it require the fire bombing of a second

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<v Speaker 16>synagogue for her to establish a task force that will

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<v Speaker 16>probably make the same recommendations that the Executive Council of

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<v Speaker 16>Australia in Jury and others have made for the action

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<v Speaker 16>which is required to combat this issue. I think the

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 16>Allen government here in Victoria is guilty of the same

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<v Speaker 16>thing that the Albanezi government is guilty of, which is

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<v Speaker 16>they thought that anti Semitism would go away on its own,

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<v Speaker 16>that it wouldn't require leadership, that it wouldn't require action,

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<v Speaker 16>that it wouldn't require fortitude, that it wouldn't require strength,

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<v Speaker 16>that if they just let it be, that it would

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<v Speaker 16>eventually die acquiet death and go away and wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 16>a problem anymore. I hope they have now been absolved

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 16>of that false assumption, because this is a crisis, it's

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<v Speaker 16>an ongoing one, it's getting worse, and it requires leadership

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<v Speaker 16>and action.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, James, you're very close to the Jewish community, so

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.360
<v Speaker 2>you would know what I said at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>my editorial earlier is true that there are many Australian

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Jews questioning how safe life now is in our country,

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 2>how safe people feel going to a synagogue, going to

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<v Speaker 2>a restaurant that is owned by Jews or serves Israeli food.

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<v Speaker 2>You know there are people leaving or thinking about leaving.

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<v Speaker 2>How have we come to this as a nation?

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<v Speaker 16>You're right, Chari, this is a sentiment which unfortunately I

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 16>do here from the Jewish community in Australia and here

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 16>in Melbourne, and I urge Australian Jews to stay committed

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 16>to our country because we are a better country with

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 16>you as part of it, and will be a far

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 16>worse country if you ever feel you have to leave it.

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 16>And frankly, if this country ever becomes unsafe for Jews,

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 16>well then it's unsafe for me and my family and

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 16>my friends and my community too. I don't want to

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 16>be part of a country that's not safe for Jews.

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 16>So we all have to band together and we have

0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 16>to fight to make it so, and we have to

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 16>have expectations of our government that they will lead, that

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 16>they will take action like you. I do give Tony

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 16>Burk credit for a better response to this incident than

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 16>the ADUs Israel synagogue. It took him almost a week

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 16>to visit the Dudas Synagogue. He did no press conference.

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 16>There wasn't even a social media post. This time, within

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 16>forty eight hours he turned up. He held a press

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<v Speaker 16>conference and his words I think were strong and they

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 16>appeared to be heartfelt. But I will judge him by

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 16>his deeds and his actions, not just by his words.

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 16>And he could do well to go back to the

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 16>Executive Council of Australian Jury's letter after the Sky News

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 16>Anti Semitism summuch that contain those fifteen policy ideas, many

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 16>which relate to him and his portfolio, including stripping the

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<v Speaker 16>funding for organizations involved in promoting anti Semitism, Because, as

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 16>Talli Blueberk have said in The Australian Today, this is

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<v Speaker 16>not just about enforcement, law and consequences, which of course

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 16>it is. It is also about the culture that leads

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 16>to these attitudes festering. And if you let these organizations

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 16>which promote hate and promote anti Semitism receive taxpayers money,

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 16>then you're implying an endorsement of it. No wonder it

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<v Speaker 16>gets so out of control.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, a couple of other things I want to ask

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<v Speaker 2>you about. One is the Israeli government's strong rebuke really

0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 2>measurement Natiyaho weighed in on this. He released a statement

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 2>demanding the Australian government take action to deal with the

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>rioters to the fullest extend of the law. But which

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 2>leads me to the second point. This death to the

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>IDF chant. It's more transparent than from the river to

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 2>the sea. Does it need to immediately be deemed hate speech?

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<v Speaker 16>Well, the ugly face of the anti Israel movement is

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 16>revealing itself every day more and more clearly in the community.

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<v Speaker 16>If there was any doubt left about that, I think

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 16>that doubt has now been removed. They want to terrorize Jews,

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:48.239
<v Speaker 16>they want them to feel unsafe. They're willing to go

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:53.239
<v Speaker 16>and protest aggressively, almost violently at restaurants as well as

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 16>synagogues in order to achieve that aim. And they're being

0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 16>very clear that peace is not their objective. Now you

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 16>and I always knew that peace wasn't they're objective, but

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 16>they're making that very clear with those chances, and there

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 16>has to be real consequences. I think that chance should

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 16>be examined as to whether it or not constitutes incitement

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 16>to violence. It seems pretty clear to me that the

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 16>intent is to incite violence and while sometimes they're careful

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 16>with their language and they say the IDF instead of Israelis,

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 16>or they say Zionists instead of Jews, I think we

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 16>all know what's underlying.

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 2>That, particularly when the actions speak louder than the words

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 2>and the places.

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 3>They are targeting.

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Are you know, a synagogue, a Jewish place of worship,

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with Israel?

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<v Speaker 3>James Patterson, thank you so much, appreciate your clarity as always,

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, coming up, the devastating floods in Texas, Elon

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Musk's new political party.

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 3>And Trump's tariff deadline.

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about all of that with Koshagada, plus Ray

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Hadley's on the desk. We'll see what he thinks of

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 2>the Aaron Patterson guilty verdict.

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<v Speaker 3>That's after this quick break.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, and let's bring in now our Monday regular

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<v Speaker 2>Radio Laga and Ray Hardley.

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 3>Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>So much to talk about, and I want to start

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>with the Aaron Pattison guilty verdict. Guilty, guilty, guilty. She

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 2>was found to have murdered these three people by the jury.

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 3>What did you did you think she was guilty the

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 3>whole time?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, obviously it's difficult when you're not in the court room.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you read the evidence, but you don't hear

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 5>how it's presented. I listened to Justin Quill, who's wonderful

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 5>lawyer in fact has represented me on many occasions in defamation.

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<v Speaker 1>Preceding mister Quill, and I heard him in the past.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, hopefully no more anyway, sorry, Justin anyway, I heard

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<v Speaker 5>him say that he wouldn't have been surprised either way

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 5>it went.

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<v Speaker 1>It's unanimous.

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.640
<v Speaker 5>But she's guilty of killing three people and attempting to

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 5>kill another person. And if you go through the key

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 5>evidence as I have this evening after the guilty finding,

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 5>it's hard to.

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<v Speaker 1>Not agree with the jury that it was ananimous verdict.

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<v Speaker 5>The next phase, of course, the sentencing, which will obviously

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 5>given us a triple murder, be a very long since,

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:01.360
<v Speaker 5>one would imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>I just always wondered why, you know, obviously she made

0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 2>the deadly meal, but what was her motivations pill the

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 2>in laws who were helping her with the children they

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 2>were babysitting. I just find that really odd, unless you know,

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>there was just something unusual.

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 3>Going on in her mind.

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 5>I think given the weight of evidence of a whole

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 5>range of things that happened after the murders. There was

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 5>certainly something going on in her mind, and we caun't

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:32.240
<v Speaker 5>sort of venture it was the madness perhaps, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, indeed now I when I ask your view on

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, I was having this conversation with Johide brand Claire.

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I heard it outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, Alban Easy is surely completely damaging our

0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 2>relationship with the United States.

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:48.360
<v Speaker 3>And and he's closer to China.

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 5>Now, he was about to have his fourth visit with

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.799
<v Speaker 5>the Chinese leader. He hasn't cracked it for a chat

0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:56.320
<v Speaker 5>with Donald Trump yet. But it all started with sending

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 5>Penny Wong.

0:34:57.360 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 1>He might as well have sent me.

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 5>All the good she did over there, as useful as

0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 5>a sun roof and a submarine. Penny trying to deal

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 5>with the Americans, and after her views on Gaza and

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 5>the rest of it, and putting herself at id with

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 5>the Americans over a whole range of things, and now

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 5>this oration over the course of the weekend with Greg Sheridan,

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 5>and I have a huge respect for Gregor is a

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 5>regular guest on my program when I was still doing it,

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 5>and his analysis of it is just spot on. Without

0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 5>even thinking he's done really significant damage on the eve

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 5>of debate about tariffs.

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Orcus and a whole range of things.

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I don't think the Prime Minister really understands

0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 5>how Donald Trump feels about the Ambassador Kevin Rudd, let

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 5>alone how he might feel about him. They're from the

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 5>opper side of politics, so you'll be doing your best.

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's a simple fact that from nineteen forty

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 5>one and just beyond that, we relied heavily on the

0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.360
<v Speaker 5>Americans and the Pacific, and if we getting strife again

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 5>from our northern neighbors, we're going to have to rely

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 5>upon them again and we need to have a really

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:04.359
<v Speaker 5>good relationship with them.

0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Exactly if for whatever reason Alberiz he not needs to

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 2>call in a favor from Trump, well he's got no

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:13.240
<v Speaker 2>relationship to speak of. And you know, you can't overstate

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 2>the fact that it has been eight months since Donald

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:19.759
<v Speaker 2>Trump was elected and Albertiz he's got no meeting, no relationship.

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 2>And you look how the labor Prime Minister in the UK, Kirstarma.

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 3>Has handled it.

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 2>And he's a lefty as well, and he handed it

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 2>so well.

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:28.840
<v Speaker 1>It's probably even more lefty.

0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:31.800
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, great, Sheridan makes the point that he talks

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:33.400
<v Speaker 5>about defending ourselves.

0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, have you looked at a defense budget lately?

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 5>We might as well get robots like they did in

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 5>seven and eighty eight and go outside the heads and

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 5>go up a Hawksbury or something.

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in all sorts of trouble. But now that's not

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 1>going to change.

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:51.880
<v Speaker 2>The Australian Round the story this Afternoon by Steve Jackson

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 2>that Eite Butchros is penning a memoir which includes her

0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 2>time at the ABC. It's going to be out in October.

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it's called and Apologetically iter. I think the

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 2>title is from memory.

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 3>So do you think it's going to be a.

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Bit of a tell all about what happened behind the

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 2>scenes at the public broadcaster?

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 5>Well, given that Ida has spent almost sixty years in

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:18.440
<v Speaker 5>the media, I'd think there's things that she would reveal

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:22.280
<v Speaker 5>that haven't been revealed previously pre the ABC. Let alone

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 5>post the ABC, I had a short journey with her

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:29.320
<v Speaker 5>in about eighty two or eighty three, showing my age

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:32.719
<v Speaker 5>when she was presenting a program on two UI where

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:37.839
<v Speaker 5>I was a lowly placed race caller and not for long. Well,

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 5>things changed dramatically over the years, but she was always

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:44.320
<v Speaker 5>courteous and always polite to the younger people around the place,

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 5>including men.

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:45.799
<v Speaker 1>I've had a great deal of.

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:48.879
<v Speaker 5>Respect and time for her, and I guess that I'll

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 5>be one of those people. October twenty eight to thing

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 5>is released, along with a lot of ABC types, will

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:57.439
<v Speaker 5>be most concerned about what I have got to say, because.

0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.120
<v Speaker 1>One thing I know about her she speaks to mine fourth.

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 3>That's right exactly. By the way, She's been very good

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:04.359
<v Speaker 3>to me over the years.

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:06.920
<v Speaker 2>When I was clear magazine editor, she came over to

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 2>my house, gave me advice, helped me out with my

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 2>magazine covers, very generous.

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 5>I think that she's made a focus of her life

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 5>of helping young women with ability, and obviously you're one

0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:22.879
<v Speaker 5>of those young women that benefited by her advice. And

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.479
<v Speaker 5>I think she's a fantastic lady. And I'm looking forward

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 5>to the book and I hope she gives it the

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 5>ABC in space.

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 3>No, indeed, I hope she does as well. Now I

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 3>have to ask you your view.

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 2>On what is being mishandled when it comes to the

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 2>anti savitism crisis in this country. How are we still

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:41.239
<v Speaker 2>speaking about this, you know, twenty one months after it

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 2>first kicked off with vigor.

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.800
<v Speaker 5>Well, we could all be embarrassed at what's happened since

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:51.240
<v Speaker 5>with all these protests. But I was reading some stuff

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 5>this morning about what happened in Melbourne on two separate

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:59.359
<v Speaker 5>occasions over the last week, and Krystal Mark got a mention.

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Now, no one at the.

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.399
<v Speaker 5>Protests would have a clue what Crystal Mark would mean,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'd strongly suggest to them go to Google, get

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<v Speaker 5>the good doctor Google out and have a look.

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<v Speaker 1>Crystal Nark was a.

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<v Speaker 5>Period in the nineteen thirties when Nazi Germany declared war

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<v Speaker 5>on Jewish businesses and rampage through cities, destroying those businesses

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<v Speaker 5>and destroying those people's livelihoods to try and in some

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<v Speaker 5>way destroy them as a race. They almost succeeded, to

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<v Speaker 5>the tune of six million people being exterminated during World

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<v Speaker 5>War II. So to those ninkh and poops, those dunderheads

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:41.879
<v Speaker 5>who weren't around then, and not many of us were,

0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:44.879
<v Speaker 5>but haven't read the history books about Crystal Nark, Think

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<v Speaker 5>about what you did at that restaurant in Melbourne, and

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<v Speaker 5>think about what the Nazis did in the nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 5>and then you'll have some sort of idea of what

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<v Speaker 5>policy you're following.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well said, couldn't agree more. And it has for

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<v Speaker 2>the Holocaust survivors who are alive, it does bring back

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 2>similarities and the trauma, the intergenerational trauma.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, look, little wonderful country, but it's been a

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<v Speaker 5>blight on our society since October seven.

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<v Speaker 1>And one thing I will say.

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<v Speaker 5>If I see Tony Burke talking out the side of

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<v Speaker 5>his mouth one more time about how dreadfulness is. You

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<v Speaker 5>should have been saying this on October eight, nine and ten,

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<v Speaker 5>a couple of years ago, not down the track and

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<v Speaker 5>trying to make out you're on the side of the

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<v Speaker 5>Jewish faith.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Burke, because you're not.

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<v Speaker 5>You've been missing in action, and you discuss me with

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<v Speaker 5>your attempts to try and make up for your past wrongs.

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<v Speaker 5>It's dreadful, and Tony Burke hang your head in shame.

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<v Speaker 3>Well said.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the Multicultural in Fairs Minister, he's the one in

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<v Speaker 2>charge of all of this, and the Home Affairs minister.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it's appalling, and you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that he's now speaking up is just a

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<v Speaker 2>re action of how bad the situation is. That he's

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<v Speaker 2>now realizing that the gravity of it.

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<v Speaker 5>He's been dragged kicking and screaming, I'm sure to the

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<v Speaker 5>cameras because deep in the review of his mind, he

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:15.399
<v Speaker 5>doesn't mean what he says about the thing that Jewish faith.

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<v Speaker 5>He never has, never has, insincerities dripping from every pore.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry if I've got a bit cranky, but it does

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:23.800
<v Speaker 1>make me cranky.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so grateful for your for your anger and your fire.

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Wish you was still on the air in the morning

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:30.799
<v Speaker 2>to fire up at them all, but at least you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing it here.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray, I get the vent by Anger one night.

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<v Speaker 3>Awak, yeah, please hold on to it all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Still to come, we'll get the latest from the floods

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<v Speaker 2>in Texas. People children still missing, plus Elon Musk's new

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<v Speaker 2>political party.

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<v Speaker 3>That's after the break.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, and let's turn now to the devastating floods

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<v Speaker 2>in Texas and Sky News contributed Kosher Garda joins me. Now, Kosher,

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<v Speaker 2>we know the death tolls now stands at eighty two.

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<v Speaker 2>At least forty one people are still missing. But the

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<v Speaker 2>question is, how did this escalate so quickly before any

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<v Speaker 2>evacuation orders could be issued?

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<v Speaker 3>How did it get to this point.

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<v Speaker 17>That Shah is definitely one of the main questions everybody's asking.

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<v Speaker 17>It seems like really a force of nature, just the

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<v Speaker 17>speed and intensity with which the rainfall came. The weather

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 17>forecast did not predict it accurately, the timing was very unlucky,

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<v Speaker 17>and that the bulk of the rain happened at four

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<v Speaker 17>or five o'clock in the morning, when most people were

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<v Speaker 17>asleep and maybe not where or paying attention to evacuation

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:41.960
<v Speaker 17>orders that started to come in from the weather system

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 17>and other authorities, and the rainfall just it was so

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:48.359
<v Speaker 17>dramatic that it was something like thirty inches or so

0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:50.839
<v Speaker 17>is how much thirty feet I'm sorry, is how much

0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 17>it accumulated in under the span of an hour. So

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 17>just sort of caught people off guard. And from that

0:42:56.040 --> 0:43:00.479
<v Speaker 17>point you're swimming upstream unfortunately figuratively and literally, and it's

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:03.320
<v Speaker 17>just pure devastation. So much life has been lost.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's so devastating about this is in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>summer camps are a very big thing, and many of

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 2>those who are missing or even were killed, we're children

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 2>on a summer camp.

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, so it's a camp called Mystic Camp in this

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:23.840
<v Speaker 17>area in Central Texas is really beautiful. It's sort of

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.319
<v Speaker 17>a valley, it's very mountainous around it, and it's a

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:29.760
<v Speaker 17>popular place for camps, including summer camp. Twenty eight children

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<v Speaker 17>out of that depth toll are our children from ages

0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:36.280
<v Speaker 17>as young as six to sixteen, and there is search

0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 17>and rescue missions going on right now, and something like

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<v Speaker 17>eleven of the people that we still have missing are

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:45.480
<v Speaker 17>still unfortunately very young children. So it's just really really sad.

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<v Speaker 17>These people are at summer camp and sleeping in their

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<v Speaker 17>campers where this rainfall just came kind of out of

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<v Speaker 17>nowhere and just snuck up on them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just so devastating.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's an expected twenty five to seventy five millimeters

0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 2>more rain expected in the coming day, so that is

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully the situation doesn't get worse. At least people are

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<v Speaker 2>prepared now, but you know, for those missing, just terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>And now, Koach, I want to ask you about Elon

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<v Speaker 2>Musk's new political party. He's calling it America, the America Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has responded to it. Have a look at this.

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<v Speaker 12>I think it's.

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<v Speaker 18>Ridiculous to start a third party. We have a tremendous

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 18>success with the Republican party. The Democrats have lost their way,

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 18>but it's always been a two party system, and I

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<v Speaker 18>think starting a third party just hands to confusion.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, koshar I thought their feud wouldn't last long

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:42.879
<v Speaker 2>and they'd sought it out because this is just embarrassing

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<v Speaker 2>taking place in the world stage, and it's affecting Tesla's

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:46.360
<v Speaker 2>stock as well.

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<v Speaker 17>Yes, this is you know, people have liken it to

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<v Speaker 17>Godzilla versus King Kong, where they just studies two big

0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.920
<v Speaker 17>juggernaut figures. And I also thought, like, you're sorry that

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 17>it was just words and rhetorical back and forth. But

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:03.919
<v Speaker 17>he does seem to be doubling down with this. Where

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:06.360
<v Speaker 17>Trump is coming from with that statement is in the US,

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:09.879
<v Speaker 17>which is a winner take all system. Third parties never win.

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 17>They've historically never ever won. It's never going to work

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<v Speaker 17>in terms of gaining control of the government. But what

0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:17.840
<v Speaker 17>it can do is be a spoiler or an influencer,

0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:20.880
<v Speaker 17>a cannibalization effect for one of the two parties. It's

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<v Speaker 17>happened a couple of times in history, Ross Perot in

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<v Speaker 17>nineteen ninety two. It's widely regarded was a big factor

0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:28.800
<v Speaker 17>in Clinton's victory over Bush. The Elder and back in

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<v Speaker 17>the eighteen fifties, Millard Fillmore actually got the highest number

0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:34.760
<v Speaker 17>of the popular vote in US history and is regarded

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 17>to a cannibalized Republican Party then as well. So I

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:39.920
<v Speaker 17>think that's the concern that Trump is raising. If he

0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 17>were to do this, could cannibalize and maybe hand victory

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<v Speaker 17>to the Democrats, and if not in the presidential in

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:47.719
<v Speaker 17>the upcoming midterms. But we shall see if Musk is

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:49.280
<v Speaker 17>serious or if it's still just rhetoric.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Kasha Gott, I really appreciate your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, And after the break, just Into Alan is

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:58.080
<v Speaker 2>poised to win the next election despite.

0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:04.879
<v Speaker 3>Chaos in Melbourne. That's next. Welcome back and let's bring

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:05.200
<v Speaker 3>it now.

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<v Speaker 2>Anti Defamation Commission Chairman devere Abrahma Viktavia, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>The polls are.

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<v Speaker 2>Showing Victorian premierges Into Alan is the favorite to win

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 2>the vic state election. This is despite chaos in her state,

0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 2>not the least of which was the events of Friday night.

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:25.120
<v Speaker 2>She didn't bother to turn up to the synagogue right away.

0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Still no arrests for the dast fire bombing back in December.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think the state government's response has been good

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<v Speaker 2>enough here.

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<v Speaker 19>Before I get to that, and thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 19>Driving on the way here, I was reminded of Charles

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<v Speaker 19>the Golden form of French president. He wrote a book,

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<v Speaker 19>a memoir, and the first line was, I've always had

0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:50.880
<v Speaker 19>a certain idea about France, and I've lived here for

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<v Speaker 19>thirty nine years, Shari, and I had a certain idea

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<v Speaker 19>about Australia as an open, tolerant, welcoming, safe country for Jews.

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<v Speaker 19>But that if no longer holds. It's been absolutely shattered

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:05.320
<v Speaker 19>and it's clear to me and it's clear to everyone.

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<v Speaker 19>I think that something very bad is happening. And I've

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:11.480
<v Speaker 19>spoken to Holocaust survivors who came here after the war

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<v Speaker 19>and they said to me that in living memory, they've

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<v Speaker 19>never seen an expression and the levels of antisemitism that

0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:22.760
<v Speaker 19>we are seeing today, you know, the tsunami of antisemitism

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 19>has been rising since October seven. And what happened over

0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 19>the weekend, the incidents at is Melbourne Synagogue and the

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:33.480
<v Speaker 19>mis known restaurant, was simply plunging the knife even deeper

0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:37.280
<v Speaker 19>into the heart of every Jew. And yes, I welcome

0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:41.280
<v Speaker 19>the establishment of the task Force by a Premier Cina Allen.

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<v Speaker 19>But I hope that it's a task force of action,

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<v Speaker 19>not just press releases. We are getting to a point,

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<v Speaker 19>and I want your listeners and your viewers to hear this.

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<v Speaker 19>We are getting to a point that being Jewish in Australia,

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<v Speaker 19>going into a synagogue we're a star of David Oriyamica.

0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:01.600
<v Speaker 19>Going into an Israeli restaurant, even owning a Jewish business

0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 19>means that you ask yourself, will I get home tonight?

0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:08.720
<v Speaker 19>Will I end up in hospital? And being Jewish shouldn't

0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:12.000
<v Speaker 19>carry a risk assessment and it shouldn't mean that you

0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:15.240
<v Speaker 19>have a target on your back. But that's the terrifying

0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:17.000
<v Speaker 19>situation that we find ourselves in.

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<v Speaker 2>So with this crisis of social cohesion across Australia, but

0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:27.759
<v Speaker 2>particularly acute in Victoria, everything else that's going wrong with

0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:33.040
<v Speaker 2>the state, the budget, transport. You know, is it difficult

0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:36.840
<v Speaker 2>to understand why the polls are saying that Jacinta Allen

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:38.400
<v Speaker 2>is set to be returned.

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<v Speaker 19>Look, I'm not sure about you know, the political punditary.

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<v Speaker 19>All I know is that for too long we've had

0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 19>elected leaders, not just in Victoria but across the country

0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:55.319
<v Speaker 19>is accusing the violent rhetoric. There are people out there

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:58.960
<v Speaker 19>shari who revise Zionism that they've lost sight of the

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:02.560
<v Speaker 19>fact that we are human. They legitimize us, they defame,

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:06.160
<v Speaker 19>they dehumanize us, and they turn us into objects of hatred.

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 1>And guess what.

0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:11.280
<v Speaker 19>When you turn people into objects of hatred, you declare

0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:13.400
<v Speaker 19>open season on the Jewish community. And it's not a

0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:16.360
<v Speaker 19>surprise that people feel that we are fair game for

0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:19.000
<v Speaker 19>violence and for harassment and for intimidation.

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<v Speaker 3>No, indeed, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I should mention that crime broadly is a serious

0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:26.239
<v Speaker 2>issue in Victoria as well.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, of course we.

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<v Speaker 2>Have seen this extreme anti Semitic violence on the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>but crime has been plaguing the state from mastevere Abramovich,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate your time. Thank you so much, all right, and

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for your company tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock. And right now,

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<v Speaker 3>here's Paul Murray no man Cave