1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to a very special edition of NRL 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: three sixty Tonight. Eleven great to our game have been 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: inducted into the Hall of Fame, James Graham, James Hooper 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: and Michael Carriana's a prestigious group of players right here 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: with a special occasion, Jimmy. 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure is, isn't it? And delighted for them all, 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: especially the man at the bottom, my fellow countryman, Sammy Burge, 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: as I am so proud of his achievements, what he's 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: done in the game as a player, now an advancement 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 2: in the coaching department. What a human being he was. 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: We shared the battle a number of times against one 12 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: another number of times as England teammates and Great Britain teammates, 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: and I'm so proud of him, as is everybody connected 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 2: with English Rugby League. 15 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Right, let's have a look at the least Lionel Morgan, 16 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: Les Boyd, Ben Elias, Steve Renoff, Cameron Smith, Jonathan Thurston, 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 1: Billy Slater, Benji Marshall, Cooper Kronk Greggless and Sam Burgess. 18 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 3: Now that Jimmy is a. 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: Fair list and a number of absolute superstars of our 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: game inducted into the general Hall of Fame. 21 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 4: All absolute champions, aren't They both very happy for Bennie Alias. 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 4: He's going to be on the program later on. And 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 4: when you speak the players who were in Benni's era, 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 4: they all speak about how he was an innovator. He 25 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 4: changed the way that dummy has played the game. 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 5: He began his career. 27 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 4: As a halfback, but he evolved into a number nine. 28 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 4: The other one I love is well, you love everybody 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 4: on that list right, whether it's Greg Inglis, but Billy Slater. 30 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 5: I remember on in. 31 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 4: The first story for the Daily Telegraph about this kid 32 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 4: who'd come down from Minisfail in Queensland and he was 33 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 4: a track work jockey, or had been a track work 34 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 4: jockey for gay Waterhouse, and they told us he was 35 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 4: electric fast. Only lyon when I heard track wk jockey, thought, 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 4: hold on a minute, how's this bloke going to make 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 4: it in the NRL. But again, you speak about innovators. 38 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 4: Will Billy Slater completely change the way that fullbacks played 39 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 4: the game? He didn't always have a passing game to 40 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 4: begin with, had some setbacks over the course of his 41 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 4: career where he was dropped from origin and whatnot. But 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 4: what an absolute superstar. 43 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 6: Yeah, what a list, and what a stellar cast of 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 6: modern day greats as well, the players that have dominated 45 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 6: at club level, at Origin and Arena. And you know 46 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 6: a lot of those Melbourne Storm players in Smith, Kronk 47 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 6: and Slater who formed the greatest trio partnership we've ever 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 6: seen in this game. And it's good to see they're 49 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 6: all recognized together. And for mine, Cameron Smith, when you 50 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 6: just see, if you look at his record and you 51 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 6: look at what he achieved in the game the most 52 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 6: games from anyone. His ability to his durability and his 53 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 6: ability to influence a game with a slide of hands, 54 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 6: and his calmness and his subtle play, it separated. 55 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: Him from everyone. 56 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 6: Is Hoops mentioned the flare of Billy Slater was complemented 57 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 6: beautifully by the craftiness of Cameron Smith. 58 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I lot think he will be the next a Mortal, 59 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: So we'll keep it close eye on that now. I 60 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: was watching some highlights out of the day on Fox 61 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: League Steve Renoff, like I grew up with him right 62 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: playing for the Broncos. I wasn't a Broncos fan and 63 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: I thought he was a great player then, but even 64 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: watching old footage, I appreciated how good he was. Even more, 65 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: just the speed and the ability to change direction without 66 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: losing that speed is probably one of the best attributes 67 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: you can have in our game. 68 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 3: There's not many players that have it. 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: He was incredible and it just brings back a bit 70 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: of a nostalgia for me watching Steve even here this try. 71 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: He was just incredible. This wasn't the game I watched, 72 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: but I do remember this trike clearly. Now look at 73 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: this they just get nowhere near him. He was like 74 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: a boart. He was so quick and obviously Cooper Kronk 75 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: just quickly. You touched on him, worked with him here 76 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: in fox Ley. Good made of mine won a premiership 77 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: at both Melbourne the Roosters with that shoulder injury. Was 78 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: incredible and what a consistent performer. He was nine Grand finals, 79 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: nine Grand finals, so what a player and congratulation two 80 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: coops now. Kyle Flannigan will miss the rest of the 81 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: regular season after being suspended for four matches for biting 82 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: Stephen Crichton. Kyle maintained his innocence when addressing the media 83 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: last night. 84 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: Adamant it wasn't a bite. 85 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 5: What do you make of the result? 86 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? Disappointed? With the results. 87 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 7: So yeah, my fogus turns on now to the dragons, 88 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 7: and now I can help them over the next four weeks, 89 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 7: no doubt, mate, Yeah I didn't by Stephen Crichton, But yeah, 90 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 7: thank you for affair hearing and my focus on the 91 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 7: dragons in the next four weeks. 92 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: He hasn't mentioned Kyle Flannig and maintaining his innocence. He 93 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: had a fair case too. Hoops, you're in there at 94 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: aneral HQ. We crossed you live last night. Can you 95 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: talk it through how it all went down? 96 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 5: Well? 97 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 4: I thought Kyle's defense mounted an extremely strong argument as 98 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 4: to why he should have been exonerated. Obviously, ultimately he wasn't. 99 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 4: But when he went through how Kyle felt suffocated, trap 100 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 4: locked in, had nowhere to go, His eyes were closed 101 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 4: the entire time during the incident. He was adamant that 102 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 4: he did not deliberately bite Stephen Crichton, his defense lawyer, 103 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 4: I thought, was going quite strongly, and then all of 104 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 4: a sudden, he decided that he wanted to go for 105 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 4: the never ending story, and he went for the boredom submission, 106 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 4: where it just kept going and going and going and 107 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 4: going and laboring over the same points and similar angles, 108 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 4: and I think that's where he lost the case. I 109 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 4: think he presented a really strong argument, but I just 110 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 4: think he labored on excessively making the same point over 111 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 4: and over. And Greg McCallum and Henry Perrinara were the 112 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 4: two men sitting on the NRL Judiciary panel along with 113 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 4: chair and Jeff Bellue, both ex referees. Henry obviously played 114 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 4: the game as well and just ruding their body language. 115 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 4: I felt, as you've made your point enough, so enough. 116 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: Yeah for me, Look, I've been in this situation where 117 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: there's some circumstances in and around it, but I think 118 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: this outcomes fair. 119 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 3: You know, did cal mean for it to happen? 120 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely not, but it's clear the outcome shows that something 121 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: did happen. And you know, I think four weeks is 122 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: probably a round about where it should be. 123 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 3: Do you have a different opinion. 124 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 6: On this one, like you know, the key word that 125 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 6: Hoops mentioned last night was that they needed to find 126 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 6: that it was a deliberate act. I just don't know 127 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 6: if it was a deliberate act. And to give him 128 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 6: four weeks on the sideline for that, I think it's harsh. 129 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 6: I would have been quite comfortable as a two week ban. 130 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 6: I just think the length is probably severe considering the 131 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 6: circumstances which led to the bite. 132 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think with the mitigating circumstances we spoke about 133 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: it Monday Tuesday, all of us believe that Crichton probably 134 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: took it a little bit too far. And I think 135 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: a lot of players in the game, the next players 136 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: we've spoken to on the show and also off the show, 137 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: believe that if they were in those circumstances, they may 138 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: have done the same thing. But at the end of 139 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: the day, he did it, you know, and he bit 140 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: him and he got punished for it. I think four 141 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: weeks probably reasonable. I would have copped, you know, maybe 142 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: two or three even, you know, to be fair, but 143 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: anything over. 144 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 3: Fo would have been too much. Given no doubt how 145 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 3: it went down. 146 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 4: The reason that they went with four the judiciary chairman 147 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 4: Jeff Bell, who actually specifically instructed the panel this is 148 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 4: a very serious charge. We need to send a message 149 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 4: to the rest of the game that biting will not 150 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 4: be tolerated, whether it's accidental, deliberate, unintened, said whatever, and in. 151 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: The message to the rest of the composite that this 152 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: can't be tolerated. I think now for the Dragons moving forward, 153 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: it's a big task for schine fann Agan, who's arguably 154 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: been coach of the Year, because it's not just his 155 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: player who he has to manage, it's also his son 156 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: and that can be a massive drain on his resources. 157 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: It would clearly affect him as a father and as 158 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: a coach. So it's a big, big challenge Forchine to 159 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: get this group that have overperformed and primed for finals. 160 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: They've got to tackle this issue. That's a good point. 161 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: Who did you get to the bottom of why Stephen 162 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: Crichton didn't appear last night. 163 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, well they made an on field complaint on the 164 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 4: night of the game. So the Bulldogs actually approached the 165 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: NRL ground manager, one of their team managers, and also 166 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 4: Stephen Crichton. They were pointing to his nose and they 167 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 4: made the allegation off the back of that. They then 168 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 4: submitted written reports the following day on the Sunday, and 169 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 4: then the NRL judiciary got in touch and said, well, look, 170 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 4: we're going to need you to appear down here at 171 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 4: NRL headquarters or via a zoom link and be cross 172 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 4: examined and give evidence. And Stephen Crichton said, well, look, 173 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 4: I don't particularly want to do that, so no, we 174 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 4: won't go down that road. But absolutely the Bulldogs did 175 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 4: put in submitted formal reports about what had occurred. 176 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, should he have had to appear? 177 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: I'll ask you too, because I asked the guys last 178 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: night after submitting, as you said, that complain against Cole, 179 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: do you think he should have had to go down 180 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: to the neral judiciary. 181 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: No, you can't force people to do that. You can't 182 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: impose that on somebody. 183 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 5: Shouldn't you have to? They Jimmy, if you're going to 184 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 5: make the complaint. 185 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: I think it would incentivize people from doing that action, 186 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: from complaining about something, and obviously that's a good thing. Yeah, 187 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: you could make that point. I think for someone like 188 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: Stephen craton the Bulldogs they want. 189 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: To move on. 190 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 2: They're thinking about bunder Big this week. 191 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 3: What's happened. 192 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: They got the victory and they're looking to advance into 193 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 2: the top four. They don't need Stephen Crateton being dragged 194 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: into this. And also looked at the media in and 195 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: around it would want to speak to Stephen and yeah, 196 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: it's probably just not worth it for him. On a 197 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: personal level and from a club level as well. 198 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 4: I can see the flip side argument of why if 199 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 4: you are going to make a complaint, then you should 200 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 4: make yourself available to be cross examined and be part 201 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 4: of that hearing. 202 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 5: We've said it all the time. 203 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 4: Look, Sean Johnson got bitten on the hand by Kevin 204 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 4: Procter a couple of years back and made an on 205 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 4: field complaint and then was trying to reverse it the 206 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 4: next day and the day after and didn't want to 207 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 4: go on with it, but the NRL still found him 208 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 4: guilty because he made the on field complaint. 209 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 6: I liked what Gordy said on Monday Night where he said, well, 210 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 6: if it's a he said, he said, sort of situation 211 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 6: where there's no clear cut evidence and you've made that complaint, 212 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 6: then I think you're compelled to give evidence. When it's 213 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 6: clear and they've got the photos and they've got the footage, 214 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 6: you probably don't need to. I'm with Jimmy in that sense. 215 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 6: But I think if you're making an on field complaint 216 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 6: about something that you're the only person that's heard a slur, 217 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 6: whatever the case may be, I think you. 218 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 3: Need to run up. You know the best thing about 219 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 3: the game. 220 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: Tell me it was the Mighty Bulldogs getting up and 221 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: the other little we. 222 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: Had so give us the pine up. 223 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: Here we go mate it chin chin. 224 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 3: Wow. This way to charity. 225 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to donate to the Contar Foundation. Still do 226 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: great work with Foxtel. Here so cool, you go beautiful. 227 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: We'd ever just with just over twenty four hours until 228 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: kick off the countdown, he's on to one of the 229 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: most anticipated games of the season. It's the Panthers taking 230 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 1: on the Storm. It's one the two. 231 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 3: Let's go. 232 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 8: Thursday night on Fox League a must see blockbuster, the 233 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 8: Penrith Panthers and the Melbourne Storm. These Panthers a modern 234 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 8: era sensation, chasing a fourth straight premiceship against the last 235 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 8: side to stop them. Craig Bellamy's store. With finals just 236 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 8: around the corner. It's one thing two at the foot 237 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 8: of the mountains. The freakish Nathan Cleary back steering the 238 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 8: champion side, loaded with skill, speed and power. No glory, 239 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 8: but in Bellamy there's a coach that over and over 240 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 8: again has produced the toughest team for twenty years straight. Hey, guys, 241 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 8: get up position early and those superstars camera monster Harry Grant, 242 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 8: Ryan Pappenhausen all back on deck, Superstar all ready to 243 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 8: spoil Jerome Lewai's farewell party with September looming the ultimate 244 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 8: right here for these premiers Thursday night Live on Fox League, 245 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 8: the best of the best, the Panthers and the Storm. 246 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 3: What a game is a set to be? Panthers v. 247 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: Store Live and that break free right here Thursday seven 248 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: pm on Fox League sets up to be a blockbuster. 249 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: Both Edwards and Fisher Harris back for the Panthers. Huge inclusions. 250 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: Who has the advantage here? Who do you think is 251 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: going to get the win? Jimmy, I think Penmouth have 252 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: got the advantage. Those two boys coming back are absolutely huge. 253 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: What they've done for this Penrith team so far absolutely enormous. 254 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: Edwards obviously in States of origin as well Fisher Harris 255 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: at test level. These two are huge inclusions, and I 256 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: think the scales just slightly tip in favor of the 257 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: Penmoth Panthers time. 258 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 3: Here's two coming in, ye. 259 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 5: What a game? Cannot wait? 260 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 4: I think where Penrith do lose a little bit is 261 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 4: Leam Martin suspended. And also Scott Sorenson has been an 262 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: unsung player for them for a number of seasons now, 263 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 4: but you're right to get the two big name, big 264 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 4: guns back into the setup. Being at Penrith, it certainly 265 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 4: is an advantage there. 266 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 5: But the Melbourne. 267 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 4: Storm, I'll tell you what their record in big games. 268 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 4: They beat Penrith earlier this season. 269 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 3: Was their best game. 270 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 4: They think we're in a little clunky over the course 271 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 4: of the last month, but we've seen this previously and 272 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 4: then they go crack bang leading into the finals. So 273 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 4: it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Melbourne walk 274 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 4: away winners. 275 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: It's crazy to say that. 276 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 6: Obviously one of two in clear cut premiership favorites, but 277 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 6: I don't think either side have been at the best 278 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 6: of late, so I think, knowing the caliber of both teams, 279 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 6: that they'll put it all together come tomorrow night and 280 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 6: it's going to be an absolute cracker and just what 281 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 6: our appetite for what's to come in the finals. 282 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: But I like the Panther, not forgetting to the minor 283 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: premiership is on the line. Melbourne Storm obviously ahead of 284 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: the Panther's been a wing to the Panthers would go 285 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: a long way despite city on top of the ladder. 286 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: Craig Bellamy's wary of the champion team chasing a fourth 287 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: straight premiership. 288 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 9: They're so mythological with with their game and how they 289 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 9: want to play, very very discipline and really tough to 290 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 9: play against. 291 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 3: Nathan Cleary, how do he sort of know it. 292 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 9: Played image it was shotgun? But yeah, he's one hell 293 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 9: of a player, a bit our line speed and make 294 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 9: sure our contact is effective. 295 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 10: How hard just spying those guys coming along. 296 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 9: Has been difficult with different guys in that you just 297 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 9: like them to be together more often. 298 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 5: Ye come into this time of the year, that's the. 299 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 9: Way it is, and you know they've been working really 300 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 9: hard to get all get on the same page and 301 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 9: start working out those combinations a little bit better. 302 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: M he wishes need a shotgun? 303 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I don't think Craig will be getting the 304 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 4: double barrel twelve cage, but certainly Nathan Cleary will be 305 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 4: on the chopping block. We know how much the Melbourne 306 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 4: stormlock to identify key players in the opposition and there 307 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 4: is no doubt that he is going to have a 308 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 4: big back rower running at him all evening. The think 309 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 4: it'll be Sean Blah, but we've seen Nathan say play 310 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 4: both sides of the field a lot in recent times 311 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 4: she's like, I just can't wait for this game. 312 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a fantastic contest. I think 313 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: for the Melbourne Storm and any team for that matter, 314 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: if they want to shut down Nathan Cleary, you don't 315 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: focus on him. 316 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 3: You focus on what comes before him. 317 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: And obviously that's a lot of the hard work and 318 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: the positions that Penrith put themselves in. But from a 319 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: truly attacking point of view, I think you target Isaiaho 320 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: and his ability to run into the line, advance to 321 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: the B or C defender to give Nathan ball into space. 322 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: If you can do a job on attacking Isaiaho, really 323 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: hard work from marker and inside pressure, you go a 324 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: long way to helping out your outside defenders and the 325 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: ability for Nathan Cleary to put on those plays. 326 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: It'll be penry if you got to limit Nathan's time 327 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: and space with the ball, slow the play the board 328 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: in which we looked at last night and they've got 329 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: they've got a fast play the ball. 330 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: There's no doubt to be about that. 331 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: To do that if you have to slow the rack down, 332 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: but again it is it's the lion speed. 333 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 3: I think against Penrith. 334 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: And Isaiaho is a big indicator of that with the 335 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: ball and here. 336 00:15:58,760 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: So you're right. I think if you. 337 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: Justus on Nathan too much and take your eyes with 338 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: everyone else, they've got some threats all over the park. 339 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 3: Now. 340 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: Bellamy says that the Melbourne storm spine has been a 341 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: little disconnected and I've noticed that myself. If you guys 342 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: notice that, and why yeah. 343 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: I think they definitely have. 344 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 6: I think if you look at the performance of their 345 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 6: big four, Jerome Hughes has easily been the most consistent 346 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 6: and really held that side. I don't think cap Mounts 347 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 6: has sort of found his feet yet, and you get 348 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 6: the sense that he's building to the back half of 349 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 6: the end. I don't think Harry Grant has probably backed 350 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 6: up what we saw from him last year. I just 351 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 6: don't think he's been able to reach those heights yet 352 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 6: so far this year. And Pap and Housen still finding 353 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 6: his feet after injury as well, so you know, those 354 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 6: guys still have a lot of improvement in him. Except 355 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 6: for probably Jerome has held that side together. 356 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: I think this year Jerome is the most informed player 357 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: in the competition. He's priming for a Dali Am winner medal. 358 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: As far as I'm concerned, I think when I look 359 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: at the Storm their last couple of games they lost 360 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: to the Dragons, they look labored against Souths. I think 361 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: perhaps you know during the origin period, we obviously know 362 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: the impact that that would have on their origin players, right, 363 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: But I think sometimes what coaches do is they'll put 364 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 2: such a huge amount of work into their players, almost 365 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 2: like a preseason within the season, knowing they're going to 366 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 2: pay a tax for that. You can't perform at your 367 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: best and you're put in performances like you're labored against selves, 368 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 2: but it's designed to have you peak at the back 369 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: end of the season. You know what's going to come 370 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: and you're okay with that, but you're fully aware that 371 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: the knowledge that you're going to turn the volumes down, 372 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: turn the dials down in terms of intensity of training, 373 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: so you can peak going into the back end of 374 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 2: the season. And I think with this game, with what's 375 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: on the line, I don't even look at it as 376 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: a minor Premiership on the line. I think it's a 377 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 2: you get to finish face so you get to avoid 378 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 2: the roosters round one of playoffs. So I'm definitely looking 379 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 2: at the table, you take the team who will finish 380 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 2: fourth as opposed to the Roosters. 381 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: The way well I say. 382 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: This Spine at the moment is they haven't played together 383 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: a lot or year. Jerome has just been five star 384 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: and continues to be and he's their main mean right 385 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: now and probably will be hitting forward Harry without Munster 386 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: and Papenhouse, and Harry has had to take more responsibility 387 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: throughout the year, and I think with him at the moment, 388 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: less is more. I think he's trying too hard. That's 389 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: what I can see when I watch the games. And 390 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: then if I'm looking at the only way I think 391 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: Melbourne can win the comp. And I think Cameron Munster 392 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: is that big moments player, right so they've got to 393 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: get him the ball more in key moments in big 394 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: games because we've seen it at Origin, we've seen it 395 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: at the highest level. He loves it and he thrives 396 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: off that. He just hasn't been getting enough ball the 397 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: last few weeks. But again it's finding that balance. It's 398 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: hard when Jeron's been the main man all year. You 399 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: still want him to be because he's going to win 400 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: place to Dallym, but you've all got to work for 401 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: each other and work with each other's strengths and get 402 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: that continuity back. They've lost it a bit, you know, 403 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: since Cameron's come back in so some hard work to 404 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: be done there for Melbourne. 405 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 4: How's Cameron traveling in terms of he's got to go 406 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 4: in and have surgery at the end of the season. 407 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 4: Is he restricted at all in terms. 408 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 3: Of he's a hundred percent? 409 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot better now than what he was 410 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: at the start, And I think he's probably will probably 411 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: be around eighty percent or a bit better heading into 412 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: the finals. But as you said, you need surgery on 413 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: both hips, both sides, So I don't think you're going 414 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: to get him in one hundred percent, but that doesn't 415 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: mean you're not going to get a five star performance 416 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: out of here. 417 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 4: You raise some interesting points and you touched on it 418 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 4: when you spoke a little minute ago as well. Mick 419 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 4: is Harry's service and Craig Bellamy is obviously going to 420 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 4: get this right leading into the finals. What does Harry 421 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 4: need to be thinking first? Is it a run first 422 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 4: mentality or is it a pass first? 423 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: Just cleanse when you've got Cameron and you got on 424 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: meither side of the ruck, because Harry is so smart, 425 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: he's so quick, so effective. 426 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 3: He'll read them, he'll read the ruck. 427 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: If there's no mark or there's a quick play of 428 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: the ball, he's off. 429 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 3: He's off. But I think yeah for the nine, for me, 430 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 3: it's about the service. 431 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, the service is important, but then when you've got 432 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 2: those opportunities that present themselves at the rook because it 433 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 2: is so quick when you've got the speed of Pappenhausen. 434 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: So if Grant jumps out if he can with Pa 435 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: has and that's a horrible sight for a middle defender 436 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 2: that's backtracking trying to make a decision. It's great when 437 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: you've got those options to pass the ball to Munster 438 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 2: or to Hughes. One of the things from Melbourne's previous 439 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: performance as well was the experiment to move Nelson a 440 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: softa solo mona onto the edge. I wonder what Bellamy 441 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: thinks of that and if we'll see that moving forward. 442 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: I think for Melbourne they're a team that have good balance. 443 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 2: When they're playing at their best, they do service the 444 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 2: half backs, but then they also have that. 445 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 3: Run for it as well. 446 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: I think going back to that, for Harry, it's either 447 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: you run or you pass. Not think runal, think pass. 448 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: He's getting caught in between a little bit at the moment. 449 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: You can see that's a little bit of hesitation. But 450 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: again he hasn't had that time with his key playmakers, 451 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: and I think as every game goes, I'll find it 452 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: in the right time. Now before kickoff tomorrow night, Matt 453 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: Naval sits down with Nathan Cleary in an exclusive interview. 454 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 3: He's a sleep peak. 455 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 5: Do you ever think about legacy? 456 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 8: You guys, win this again, then you know, opinion becomes fact. 457 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 8: Decide is in fact the greatest effort the modern era? 458 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 5: Do you guys think about that? 459 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 10: Sometimes it's hard not to think about it, you know, 460 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 10: just the opportunity in front of us. Also, it's you 461 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 10: don't want to get too far ahead of yourself. And 462 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 10: you know, we've always been big believers of you know, 463 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 10: cliches is day by day and just improving each day. 464 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 10: And the thing about legacy is it's saying they get 465 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 10: spoken about. Probably further down the track, when we're all retired, 466 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 10: we can look back and enjoy it and share a 467 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 10: beer and talk about the good times. But at the moment, 468 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 10: it's just enjoying what we have in front of us 469 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 10: and making the most of it and yeah, not letting 470 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 10: us slip through the crafts. 471 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 3: It looks like a great interview. 472 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: You can catch it tomorrow night on Fox League from 473 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: seven o'clock in the pre game leading up to the 474 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: Big One. Now today, vl Holmes has signed a deal 475 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: with the Dragons as of next year. Mickey, you've got 476 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: all the details on this. How did it unfold and 477 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: how much is he got? 478 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's obviously a big deal for the Dragon to 479 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 6: get Valentine Holmes done for next year, adds in with 480 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 6: the signing of Damian Cook for next year. But it 481 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 6: was last month where Valentine Holmes was given permission from 482 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 6: the Cowboys to negotiate permission to leave the club. He's 483 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 6: still got twelve months left on his contract, and that's 484 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 6: where the Dragons pounced. Shane Flanning again identified Valentine Holmes 485 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 6: as a potential replacement for Zach Lomax. They needed a 486 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 6: guy that could play a couple of positions in the 487 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 6: back line, They needed a goalkicker, they needed some experience. 488 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 6: Guys like this aren't on the market. He hasn't been 489 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 6: great so far this year, Valentine Holmes, but Shane Flanagan 490 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 6: knew what he was getting. They won a premiership together 491 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 6: at the Sharks. So what Shane Flannagan did, which is rare, 492 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 6: he got on a plane last Thursday. I think the 493 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 6: flight was six am back the same day to fly 494 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 6: to Townsville. It's a fair trip and there's not a 495 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 6: lot of direct flights, so at the time, well to 496 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 6: get there. But he got there and you know it 497 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 6: was a bit of clear the air meeting as well. 498 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 6: Things didn't end the best, I guess with Valentine Holmes 499 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 6: at the shit obviously walked out in the club to 500 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 6: join the NFL. So they let all that out and 501 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 6: it's culminated in a three year deal about worth about 502 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 6: eight eight point fifty at the Dragons. Is you know 503 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 6: that contract that he's on at the Cowboys is big money. 504 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 6: We're talking one point one five million dollars next season, 505 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 6: which makes him one of the highest paid players. 506 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 3: In the competition. 507 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: Right. 508 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 6: Don't forget he signed that contract when he was coming 509 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 6: back from the NFL and that six year deal to 510 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 6: play fullback, and it's just it's probably this year and 511 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 6: you know for next year. The Cowboys just thought it 512 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 6: was a little bit too much. Money, but big signing 513 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 6: for the Dragons. 514 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 4: I think it's a win win for both clubs because 515 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 4: from a North Quintland Cowboys point of view, they can 516 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 4: upgrade and extend Ruben Potter. They've got good young backs 517 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 4: emerging in that roster Cola but tom Chester, Philly, Army, Vallet, 518 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 4: they're all good young players and for the amount of 519 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 4: money that Val Holmes was on, where you can probably 520 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 4: retain all three Possibly of those. 521 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: Is this because Malalo won't move on, Is that they've 522 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: got pressure on the cap And. 523 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah, no, their cap was pressured. But now with 524 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 4: Vale moving on and freeing up one point one five 525 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 4: million dollars in all likelihood they can resign Ress Robson, 526 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 4: extend out Ruben Cotter, who's one of the co captains. 527 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 5: It's a big win for the Cowboys, but for the 528 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 5: Dragons as well. 529 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 4: I like the way that Shane Flanagan goes about his recruitment. 530 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 4: He doesn't just look at the marquee players and try 531 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 4: and shoot for the stars with the whole Mary plays. 532 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 4: He's very systematic. He's ruthless with a dollar. He won't 533 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 4: pay a dollar more than he absolutely has to. But 534 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 4: with Val Holmes, Damian Cook. I think they'll sign either 535 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 4: Reagan Campbell Gillard or Daniel Seffidi in the upcoming weeks. 536 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 4: Not sure which one yet, may be leaning slightly towards RCG. 537 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 4: And then the big one is I think that the 538 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 4: Dragons will make a play for Clint Guthererson the paramatterials captain, 539 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 4: so he is off contract as. 540 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 3: We Flana is going to make you play gotherson. Do 541 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 3: you say yes? 542 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 5: I think that he will. Yes. So, even with. 543 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 4: Gus off contract as of November one, he's got next 544 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 4: year at paramatter, We've all seen the way he'll want 545 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 4: him next year. 546 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 5: Well, we'll have to wait. 547 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 3: And see what would you go for in the year after. 548 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: Well, according to the rules, at the moment they can talk. 549 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm looking at it and I'm thinking yes. 550 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: In all likelihood, it will depend how the Yels want 551 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: to react to this. If the Years decide that they 552 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: might think that it's a good move for the Heels. 553 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 5: It's a matter for Jason Rile. 554 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 3: He'd be on quite a bit of paramatter at the moment. 555 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 4: I think he's on close to a million dollars next season. 556 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 4: So it's Dragons again, wouldn't pay that would be I'm 557 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 4: not sure. I don't think they'd be prepared to pay 558 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 4: all of it. But that would then be a decision 559 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 4: for Clean and Guff about whether he wants to have 560 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 4: one more year at Paramatta or whether he likes the 561 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 4: opportunity of a fresh start at a different club. 562 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 2: For multiple years as well. 563 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 3: Do we think do we think the gaff I would go? 564 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's a chance. 565 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 4: I mean, we've got a white and see what happens 566 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 4: when November rolls around. But certainly well Paramatters doesn't to know, 567 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 4: Paramatta doesn't look like the. 568 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 5: Playing Clink Cuthis enjoying themselves at the moment. 569 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 2: If you Clink Guthis and Paramounta don't want you and 570 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: you're getting some love from the Dragons, you go like 571 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 2: you go where you wanted. 572 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 3: You go where you feel valued. 573 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: If that's the case, and from a Dragons point of view, 574 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: similarly to the signing of Valentine's Homes, you beget to 575 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 2: getting a player that one team is prepared to pay 576 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 2: over a million dollars for for eight or eight fifty, 577 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: so it makes financial sense to your salary cap. And 578 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: when Shane Flaggen's is putting these rosters and signatures together. 579 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 2: He gets experienced players because they're not a drain on resources. 580 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 2: So you know, you can sell say to homes and 581 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: you can say to Cookie, here's what I want you 582 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: to do, and they can do it because they've been 583 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 2: around the block. So he can focus his resources on 584 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 2: the advanced games of Sloan, of the Figo Boys, the 585 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 2: Coachman Twins. That's where he can then spend his time. 586 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 2: It's exactly the carbon copy of what he did at Cronella, 587 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 2: and our success leaves clues. 588 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 3: It doesn't always pay out that way. 589 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 2: There's no Cookie culture approach. But he'd look back at 590 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: that and go, it worked for me, Dan, why wouldn't 591 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: it work for me again? 592 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: So Guthson, if he did decide to leave, Lee's a 593 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: big chunk for paramatter. Does that bring Ryan Pappenhausen back 594 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: into the frame If that was to happen, like Ryle's 595 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: coaches in Melbourne would have a really good relationship I 596 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: would imagine with right perhaps is Ken talk November one yep. 597 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: And they'd have a lot of money, probably a lot 598 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: more than Melbourne at Paramatta to pay for him, and 599 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: they need to make be making moves. If they're going 600 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: to be losing these players, they need to be making moves. 601 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 4: If they had any sort of idea, I'd be throwing 602 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 4: the kitchen sink at Ryan Pappenhausen. I think that in 603 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 4: all likelihood they will certainly have a crack right, but 604 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 4: the stumbling block is going to be it isn't a 605 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 4: sell at the moment. The optics of Paramatta right now 606 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 4: there are Shandy in front of the West Tigers. So 607 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 4: from a player's point of view, I'm not sure it's 608 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 4: the most appealing destination. I know how much, and I'm 609 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 4: sure you're across this as well. Papanaus and loves Melbourne. 610 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 4: He loves a Melbourne storm. I think if he gets 611 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 4: it his way, he'll try and stay there. But don't 612 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 4: forget Look he went to school out at Kellyville, that 613 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 4: he's grown up in the area. He would be the 614 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 4: perfect face for a fresh generation, a new start at 615 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 4: that club. And the link with Jason Ross is significant. 616 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 4: I know that they have a well it. 617 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 3: Wasn't there. 618 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: It almost say no, but it rolls there exactly if 619 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: that relationship is built on trust, which imagine it is. 620 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: He was saying, look, trust me rain also, so Far 621 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: longer down at the Storm. He can't play Reggies or 622 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: playoff the bench forever. 623 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 3: So the Storm are going to be It's one of 624 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 3: the other. 625 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: They made the decision with Hines and Pappenhausen and they're 626 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: in the same predicament again. 627 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 3: You've got to make a call. 628 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: You can't keep far Longer playing off the bench because 629 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: here otherwise you will eventually lose him. So it's one 630 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: or the other. 631 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: I think if they misspappen House and if they do 632 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,239 Speaker 1: go from Power, they go for far right. 633 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 3: Interesting. That's a big call there from Gaffo. 634 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: Possibility possibly it is going to the Dragon's not going 635 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: to the dragons, but funny and showing interest there late. 636 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: What's the latest on the Latrell Mitchell situation? 637 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 3: Is there any update here? You got an update mit 638 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 3: my movement aberration? Yet there of intimato. 639 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 6: They know they're going to comment publicly until a resolution happens, 640 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 6: and I've got no clear indicasion of when or what 641 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 6: they may not be. 642 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 4: I think the NRL Integrity Unit interviewed Latrell yesterday and 643 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 4: it will now be a matter for Peter Velandis and 644 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 4: Andrew abdou to decide, if any sanction, what punishment it is. 645 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 3: Do we know how long? Man? I mean, We've seen 646 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 3: precedents in the past. 647 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be looking at examples recently Brandon Smith, Camerman 648 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 4: Star those Yeah, vallhelms throw it from the back end 649 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 4: of last year, So two games and maybe one hundred 650 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 4: thousand dollars Fie with fifty suspended something like that. That's 651 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 4: purely just me having a stab at previous examples of 652 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 4: similar situation. 653 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: Do we know when anything is, when this investigation will 654 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: be over or when it will be will have any 655 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: comment from the NRL or anyone? 656 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 4: I don't think Latrell hasn't wanted to go into any 657 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 4: great detail with the integrity in it. 658 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: I don't mean I'm surprised Wayne Bennett hasn't intervened. 659 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 5: I'm sure he's I'm sure he's spoken. 660 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's a coach that his games experienced, but 661 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: his crisis management experience is. 662 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 5: So valuable as well. 663 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 2: So it's it's clean, clear for everybody to see, and 664 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: it's all allegations at the moment, but it's crisis management 665 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 2: and that's where Wayne's at his best. So I imagine 666 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: he's doing a massive amount of work up there. 667 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: Watch this space time now for striving for Thanks to 668 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: you by brought to you by an ib What have 669 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: you got I's got for this. 670 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 6: Week only got cam Munster obviously off the back of 671 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 6: what we spoke about early in the show. Massive test 672 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 6: against Jerome Luo, who's been outstanding and if cam Monster 673 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 6: can get his running game back on, he'll be a 674 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 6: threat for against the Panthers. 675 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 4: I'm signing the North Queensland Cowboys. Todd Payton's make the 676 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 4: big decision to drop Chad Townsend. 677 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 5: They need to win. 678 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 4: I was so disappointing last week against our rivals the 679 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 4: Broncos in that Carl Web medal game, so they need 680 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 4: to respond. 681 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 3: Great work, Pops, well don't Nick, Thank you very much. 682 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: Next Penny with his best mate Block of Roach is 683 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: the bout main great. 684 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 3: He is finally inducted into the NRL Hall of Fame.