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Speaker 5: Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much having to be here.

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Speaker 2: Are you where about saying you and I are across

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, And we then have all the ultra

436
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: process shit in the food.

437
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just not true anymore. It's so hard

438
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: to know, like, oh, cool, now what do we eat?

439
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: What are you doing? What's inflaming my system? And things

440
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: that probably didn't bother people bother people now. But the

441
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: ideas of food really haven't changed in terms of you know,

442
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: modern medicine. It's like, no, just eat healthy and if

443
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: you have any sort of blood pressure issues or cholesterol,

444
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: just you don't have fat, that's bad, you know, and

445
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: it maybe go vegan and I don't know it. It's

446
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: just it's this old, old kind of adage about you know, like, oh,

447
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: fats are too high, lower your dietary fat. It's just crazy,

448
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: you know. So I do get very you know, soapboxy

449
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: about how we can use nutrition to help deal with

450
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: whatevery information is going on. And if the information is

451
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: effect in the brain, then of course we're get anxiety, depression,

452
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: obsessive thinking, that kind of stuff.

453
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have often said that if you are let's

454
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: just take the stereotypical American or Australian right who doesn't

455
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: move very much at all, has shit, harsh sleep hygiene,

456
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 2: and has anywhere between in the States sixty to seventy

457
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: percent of their diet is from ultra processed shit, and

458
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: we're not far behind here in Australia, right those three

459
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: things eating a shit diet, not moving, and having purse

460
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: sleep hygiene. I've say, you're playing Russian Roulette with your

461
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: mental health, that is what you're doing. And how can

462
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 2: you expect like that this system, this ecosystem, is going

463
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: to function normally, not even well, is going to function

464
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: normally if you are actively undermining the ecosystem, like it's crazy.

465
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: It's absolutely crazy. I mean, it's I always kind of

466
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: joke like, hey, you know, if you want to say

467
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: yourself a little money and you want to see an end,

468
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: just take care of your diet first and your sleep first,

469
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: because they're going to tell you that first anyway, because

470
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: it's the foundation of everything. Because even if there's other

471
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: really severe things going on like insomnia and all that

472
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, you know, there might be quote unquote

473
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: supplements that help address that. They will not interact well

474
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: with you if you are not eating well. You know,

475
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: if your prostaglanda level is so high, your inflammation is

476
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: so high, how you your body interprets what you just

477
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: expose itself to in terms of like a nutrient will

478
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: be different, and that's why epigeneta is the way it is.

479
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: So if you're if your stress is down, you eat well.

480
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: A lot of those risk factors we see with ebjects

481
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: don't exist, We just don't. But all of a sudden,

482
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: those inflammatory markers can suddenly flip themselves on, which is

483
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: not exactly accurate, but for simplicity, they flip themselves on,

484
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, everything feels different. Everything does.

485
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: So it's and I totally understand. I struggle with it too,

486
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: trying to eat healthy. It's very difficult.

487
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: Because, especially especially in the modern world, right, and so hard.

488
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: And I think I need to qualify my last statement

489
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: about playing Russian Roulette with your mental health. I say

490
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 2: that completely without judgment. Right, I'm not pointing at people going,

491
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: you fucking decad, you're playing Russian Roulette with your mental health.

492
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 2: You're being an horsehole. It's like, if that is you,

493
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: and let's just just just look at it there and

494
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: you are playing russroom relet.

495
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Speaker 5: I'm not judging you, but that.

496
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 2: Is just the way it is, right because of the

497
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: way that our bodies and Brillan's work and the fact

498
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: that the brain is not epart from the body, and.

499
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: No one's you know, Noah's perfect. And obviously when we're

500
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: not in good places, it's harder to motivate ourselves to

501
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: do what we know our higher self wants us to do.

502
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: But we live in such a chemical based culture now.

503
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: It's like I don't like that smell, I'll get a

504
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: plug in. And I don't like the temperature. I can

505
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: use free on, you know, like I don't like the food,

506
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: but I can get food that stimulates my dopamine more.

507
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: Even I was talking about cinema the other day because

508
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with nineties movies, especially like you know, the

509
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: older ones, like the romantic comedies, anything with like Sandra

510
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: Bullock and Susan Sarandon, Kevin Coff. I love a lot

511
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: of stuff, And I was thinking about those movies and

512
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: how they are very slow and very subtle, and how

513
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: movies now there they're so hyper directed towards stimulating your

514
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: nerve transfer. So if you want to get your cours

515
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: all up, you can see like any thriller you want,

516
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: and it's not just seeing like a love story out

517
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: it's like the most drippy over the top like oohy

518
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: gouey loves or that you're gonna cry your eyes out,

519
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: your oxygen is gonna be off the turit. So it's

520
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: almost like you're just sort of satisfying as like these

521
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: chemical cravings anywhere you look, because like how do I modivate?

522
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: How Like we want to modify how we feel every

523
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: second of the day, every second. You know, That's why

524
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: joom scrolling is a thing and everything else, and it's

525
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: like how do you scape it? You know, like we

526
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: all have to make a living and work and live

527
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: in society. Like what are we supposed to do?

528
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 7: That was a tangent there, Yeah, well well no, I

529
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 7: mean it is we live in It's often said we

530
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 7: live in an obesogenic environment, right, it is set up

531
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 7: to drive obesi But I think it's deeper than that.

532
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: We live in a chronic disease augenic environment, both physical

533
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: and mental, because like you said, there's that dopamine hits

534
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: everywhere around us, but also you know, there's shit that

535
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: happens to be hyper palatable and super yummy, and when

536
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: you eat it, it releases more dopamine than we're supposed

537
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: to get from food.

538
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 5: That makes you eat more that.

539
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: You know, our work environments are set up now for

540
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: being completely sedentary, so you have to try a shit

541
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: load harder than somebody did thirty fifty years ago.

542
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 5: That that's the key.

543
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: Thing, absolutely, and it's it's no wonder the ADHD diagnose.

544
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: These rates are skyrocketing. Everyone is in this dopamine fatigue

545
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: state where we're bombarded the second way we wake up,

546
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: the second modest sleep, and of course how can any

547
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: of us really pay attention to things we want to

548
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: pay attention to, because that's to me, really what ADHD

549
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: is the inability to really focus on what you want

550
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: to focus on. And there's obviously more to it than that,

551
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: like you know, time blindness and anxiety and you know,

552
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: managing too many thoughts at once without you know, this's

553
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: all the stuff. But more people are coming in and

554
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: we're seeing it statistically too. That ADHD diagnosis is left

555
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: and right right right, it's wild because like people really

556
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: do want to feel better. And I've noticed when I

557
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: like post on Instagram, the stuff that I post that

558
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: makes people the most upset is when I criticize stimulant

559
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: stimular prescriptions for children, you know, because you can prescribe

560
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: them for kids as young as six, you know, and be.

561
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 5: Clear, it is legalized.

562
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: Speed absolutely, And people joke they say, oh, it's g

563
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: rated coke. It's not. It's actually methathotamine. It's closer to

564
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: methatheta means it is to cocaine. So it's funny because

565
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: I understand the desire because I've we've all felt that

566
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: anxiety of like I just want to go away, I

567
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: just want to feel normal. So and I don't want

568
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: to take that away from anybody, but I have a

569
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: lot of criticism of give math to children. You know

570
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: that I do believe is criminal, And I'm like, no, no,

571
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: we got it. Really else, that's not a good idea.

572
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 5: Let's talk about your approach.

573
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: So what sort of assessments and testing do you do

574
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: on people whenever they come in to try and guide

575
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: the root cause or the problem.

576
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: So a lot of people come in that are already

577
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: doing the diet. You know, I already don't eat sugar already.

578
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 1: You know, they've already got a set of labs that

579
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: look normal, which is very common and frustrating because people

580
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: are like I was really hoping there'd be something so

581
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: that I knew it to work on. So for me,

582
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: I actually love by residents and I use that with

583
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: most of my people, and so by resonance is a

584
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: type of frequency scanning or energy medicine, if you will.

585
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: And essentially it's so it's a device is created by

586
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: I forget his first name, but doctor something oh, I

587
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: think back in Germany. But it's it's on the framework

588
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: of homeopathy and acupuncture. So the idea of using different

589
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: like a grid system in the body like acupuncture, and

590
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: then different energy signatures from homeopathic, which is a huge

591
00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: material medica. So combining that with a true gating those

592
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: frequencies to what we see in the body, we can

593
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: kind of get an understanding of, okay, what's actually happening

594
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: on a deeper level than just you know, labs on

595
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: their own. So I'll I use that a lot. People

596
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: will send me their DNA and then it basically the

597
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: it kind of operates sort of like a it's like

598
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: an O meter. So O meters basically detect the power

599
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: of something, how much power is there, So it's an

600
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: OH meter, So it's working on detecting the power or

601
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: the resonance of different frequencies that it's finding in the

602
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: DNA and from there it can give that information back

603
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: to me in a qualitative manner, meaning that I can't say, oh,

604
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: I want to know how much a softworm's person has.

605
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: Can't do that. It's more like a radio where you're

606
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: scanning different body systems, you know, like, oh, I got

607
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: deliver station and lung station, and whichever station is the

608
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: most stad that you can't hear. That's what we got

609
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: to treat first, because that's making the most noise. So

610
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: it's not a common for me to people come in

611
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: and they'll say, hey, I've got this one issue, but

612
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: then I run them and we see something else going

613
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: on and we treat that and find that that actually

614
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: helps resolve what they came in for, even though it

615
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: seemed unrelated at the time. So I love that I

616
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: used that quite a bit, and that's actually I got

617
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: better too.

618
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 5: That was what my I've never heard of that.

619
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: I remember seeing a guy Geese years ago who had

620
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: it was a nach party heard this machine from Germany

621
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: and I can't it was so long ago. It must

622
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: have been nearly twenty years ago, and it was something

623
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: to do. It was some new machine at the time.

624
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's similar. I don't know it's

625
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: the same owner or similar. But I just remember going,

626
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: how the hell does this stuff work? I just don't.

627
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: I don't understand it, right, so does so You said

628
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 2: it's from their DNA, So did do you get it?

629
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: Do you get a spit sample as that genetic sample

630
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: from it? Or what's that? Imput?

631
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: You can actually use saliva, you'ine blood, hair or fingernails.

632
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: I ought for hair and fingernails just for sanitary reasons

633
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: on my end. So it's looking at probably what I mean.

634
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: It's it's so interesting, like because there's so much we

635
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: don't know about DNA, you know, like we don't we

636
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: kind of dismiss it like it was junk DNA. No, no,

637
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: it is.

638
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: There's so much hard DNA that is junk DNN, and

639
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: it's I know, I.

640
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: Love whether junk DNA, and you know your appendix is

641
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: a useless sort. I can't know. So it's like if

642
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: we don't understand it, we call it something junk or stupid.

643
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, essentially that's what it's doing, is it's sending

644
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand different electronic frequencies through the sample,

645
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: kind of looking for residents or dish resonance, and then

646
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: once it finds it information, it sends it back to

647
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: a computer and then I can see what's going on

648
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: in a more comprehensive way.

649
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: So from that that gives you a bit of a

650
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: guidance on what to trait and hard to treat.

651
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: Does it correct, Yeah, so it will tell me, you know,

652
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: what's going on physically, where emotions might be stored in

653
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: the body, what's coming up, or what might feel like.

654
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: Some of these people come in very commonly and they'll say,

655
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: I got like this chest pain, and I can't tell

656
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: if I should be terrified and go to the hospital,

657
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: and or I can't tell if it's just anxiety. I

658
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: don't know, and so sometimes there's a lot of confusion

659
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: about what kind of pain we're feeling and if it's

660
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: more emotional or if it's something physical. So this can

661
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: help kind of decipher some of that a little bit.

662
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's one in the sane. But once we know

663
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: what's going on, then we can decide, oh, hey, we

664
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: want to do some further testing to get a deeper

665
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: look at this, or maybe we can start treatment right away.

666
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: In terms of all right, let's try different nutraceuticals and

667
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: peptides and things to see if we can help get

668
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: the body back in balance.

669
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 2: Talk to me about peptides, right, very interesting space, much

670
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: more much easier to use in the United States than

671
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: it is here. Like O, it's so ridiculously difficult to

672
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: get access to peptides here, whereas I know in the

673
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: States it's just way more open. Right. What of peptides

674
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: do you tend to? Is there some that you use

675
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: more frequently than others? And just sort of talk our

676
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: listeners through what some of these peptides can actually do.

677
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: So, peptides in a nutshell are hormones, but they're very

678
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: specific hormones. So hormones function based on how long their

679
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: amino acid sequence chain is. So for example, insulin is

680
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: a very short chain, it's a peptide, so just peptidusse

681
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: tiny protein, whereas TSH hormones very long chain, very complex hormone.

682
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 1: So we do see more global effects from that. Same

683
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: with T three. So insulin, because it's so small, has

684
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: a very tiny role, so it just sort of controls

685
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: our blood sugar balance. It's really mostly it. It's mostly it.

686
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: So we like peptides because they can get pretty targeted

687
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: into like what we want them specifically to do, which

688
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: is really nice. So more of the the older ones

689
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: had more to do with means to stem regulation and

690
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: repair regeneration, and a lot of that was connected because

691
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: they would affect the vasculature and prove blood flow to

692
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: the soft tissue, help support the thymus gland, things like that.

693
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: One of the older ones and what's considered I think

694
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: it still is an orphan drug in the US is

695
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: alpha thymous and alpha one, and that's because it's being

696
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: used in research alongside HIV medications because antiviral as well

697
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: as im ando supportive. So use that a lot with

698
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: different drugs we see if it's more effective. So for me,

699
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: there's so many and more than come out all the time,

700
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: and so because of that, there's very little research on them.

701
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: But for the most part, many of them are very

702
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: safe because they are basically hormones we already make.

703
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 2: I've heard of things like BPC one five seven, which

704
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: is supposed to do amazing shit for injury, anti inflammatory,

705
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: these sorts of things, and then some of the growth

706
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: hormone analogus like samoral and testimorial and those sorts of

707
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: things would these be things that you would use as

708
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 2: well in your yes.

709
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: I mean I even had a guy. It was years ago,

710
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: but I had a guy who, you know, he got

711
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: off psychments and he was doing pretty well, but he

712
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: was still struggling with sort of this. He was, I

713
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: remember it, sweating a lot, really anxious, trouble sleeping, a

714
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: ton of self blame, really poor confidence, really prone to

715
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: sensitivity and panic and stuff like that. So when we

716
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: did his bow residence, I could see that he had

717
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: actually very little growth hormone and we ran some laps too.

718
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: IGF one was pretty low, and so I was like, okay,

719
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: you need to get the growth hormone up, which we

720
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: can do naturally in some ways like Sana will bump

721
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. It's a long time, but

722
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: it will. And the thing is girl hormone. It's very

723
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: active at night, so it helps us sleep. It's regenerative.

724
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: So we ended up doing I want to say, he

725
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: was c JC twelve ninety five with ipomarillon, and the

726
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: cool thing about that for him was that's what resolved

727
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: the panic. So even though it's not a mental health petside,

728
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: it treated the what was going on underneath and then

729
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: for him, I was, Okay, now you've got this sort

730
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: of you've done a round of it. We need to

731
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: maintain those effects. You've got to learn stress tolerance, you've

732
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: got to stick with somemit, you've got to keep working out,

733
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: you know, things like that to keep it going. And

734
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: that's where a lot of people, especially with like the

735
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: different you know, pep bins that are coming out now,

736
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: they want to maintain the results, not beyond the peptide forever,

737
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: because that's the whole point they're signaling molecules are not

738
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: meant for long term use.

739
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: Not really right, Okay, interesting, So tell me the process.

740
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 2: So you come to somebody you realize this peptide will help.

741
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: Do you then write them a script that they take

742
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: to compounding pharmacists to get the peptide.

743
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 5: How does the process work over there?

744
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: That was the process until the FDA said that compounding

745
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: pharmacies can no longer compound them anymore, because that's just

746
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: what they did.

747
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, right, because part of the FDA have hurt

748
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 2: the block on quite a few peptides. I think BPP

749
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: one five seven might be one of them, so that

750
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: they're kind of coming going that one you can't use

751
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: anymore that one you can do anymore. So what's the

752
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: process then if you if you want to prescribe a peptide.

753
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: So now what's happened is and a lot of it

754
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: is the language. So it was it wasn't that we

755
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: couldn't buy or sell them or prescribe them. It was

756
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: compounders could not compound them. So labs popped up everywhere.

757
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: So we have all these peptide labs that have popped

758
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: up that are like, we're making it, we're making it,

759
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: we're making it. So they don't combine them with water.

760
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: They leave mostly they don't. They typically leave it as

761
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: just a preconstituted powder. They will not give you dosing information.

762
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: It's the ideas that they're giving you a chemical versus

763
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: a medication. Right, Oh, it's up to you and your

764
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: provider to sort of figure out like which one would

765
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: be good, and then people can self order and then

766
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: they can you know, start as self administering at home.

767
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 5: Really, what was that?

768
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: What do they not need a script from a licensed

769
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: practitioner like yourself? Are so in the sty it's I

770
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: could just go to one of these places and I

771
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: could get myself testamorial in our memoral in are really.

772
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: There's maybe not testamoral. And there's a few peptides that

773
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it depends. I got to look. Actually

774
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't do that one too much. But some of

775
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: the semi glue tides, you know.

776
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 6: Are Yeah, the regulation is little weird on some of them,

777
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 6: you know, Right, Okay, So there's certain teptides that are

778
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 6: harder to find, but most people order online from American.

779
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: And I believe there's no gray markets and black markets, right,

780
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: and that you can buy stuff that's labeled for research

781
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: purposes only.

782
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: Yes, that's it's m right.

783
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 2: Wow, JESU, that's interesting over there. Right, let's talk.

784
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 5: About amino acids. I had either lady.

785
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: On here, she's a pharmacist to specialize in amino acids,

786
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: and it kind of blew my mind. And she does

787
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: a lot of amino acid testing. So talk to us

788
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: about the importance of it and whether you know, to

789
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: some testing and balancing and if people's amino acids are

790
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: out of whack, what can go on? Just give people

791
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: that kind of three minute overview on all things amino

792
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: acid gives the crash course the crash coss.

793
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: So I love amino acids. They're your precursors and your

794
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: building blocks to making your neurotransmitters aka you're happy chemicals.

795
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: And so we normally get these from the proteins we eat,

796
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: and not like your protein turns into them, but like

797
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: you eat something, your body breaks it down and then

798
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: those little broken pieces, the amino acids, they get funneled

799
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: into different sites and then your body will kind of

800
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: make based on quantity. So that's why you can't just

801
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: take a protein powder and be like, this will boost

802
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: my serotonin, because it won't. You have to specifically target

803
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: the aminos to hyperdrive that pathway. So sometimes it can

804
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: be confusing, Like sometimes people say, oh, I have OCD.

805
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: I know that's because I love serotonin. I'm sad and

806
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm depressed, and that's a serotonin thing that may not

807
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: be true. I've had a few people that had OCD,

808
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: but then when we tested them, we found that their

809
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: serratone levels were perfectly fine, actually sometimes even high, which

810
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: can present a social phobia in some people, and they

811
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: actually really needed dopamine to regulate that, and so for

812
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: them higher and dopeing for some people if you don't

813
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: need it will make you very anxious. So some I

814
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: find it's a little tough to go on to symptoms

815
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: of what you think is probably low. Sometimes it's better

816
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: to actually do some serum testing and see, okay, what

817
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: are what's where are they low? And for me, if

818
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: something's low in a test, it doesn't always mean you

819
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: just have to give them that. The questions will why

820
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: and the ratios are very important, you know. And then

821
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: so I usually use that test alongside other blood work

822
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: so I can get a sense of like, oh, hey,

823
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: all these amino acids are they haven't being made in

824
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: the kidney. How does your kidney off look? And then

825
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: we can kind of get a send for the money.

826
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: Are you low for a reason or or what you

827
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: know in terms of that, and is it if there's

828
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: any patterns. So that's when it's to me the most helpful.

829
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: So you're the body detective, because it isn't just a

830
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: matter of walking these things up. I mean we know

831
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: this from people with Parkinson's. L dopa is a pretty

832
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: effective medication at reducing their tremors and things like that.

833
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 2: But quite a few people on al dopa then develop

834
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: addictive behaviors, They develop addictive personalities. They all of a

835
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: sudden out of nowhere, start gambling or taking drugs, and

836
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 2: it's because of too much dopamine.

837
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, and so that's a great example of

838
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: where you know, someone might come in and they'll say

839
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: I have Parkinson's and I'll say, actually, it's parkinsonism until

840
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: we can confirm it's Parkinson's disease, because parkinsonism is not

841
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: just with Parkinson's disease, and for many people it's actually

842
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: pesticide and solvent overexposure and the nerves are basically toxic.

843
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: So if we can it's just like when you ever,

844
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: like you know, poison a rat, it starts to shake around.

845
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: It's very similar, very similar. So if we can detox,

846
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: if that's what it is, so then maybe the parkinsanism

847
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: will go away. So that it's a good It's a

848
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: great example of how we have to it's some part

849
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: to always look at the why and not just take

850
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: it at face value of like, oh it's genetic, that's

851
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: the worst. Like oh it's genetic, don't worry about genetics.

852
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: That's a right off term. Like we have control and

853
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: power to do something. Genetics is just a risk. It's

854
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: just risk identification.

855
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: That's it. Genetics loads the gun, environment pulls the trigger. Yeah,

856
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 2: it's that. It's that complicated interaction, isn't it. Let's come

857
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: back to the mental health issue, and let's talk about

858
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: de prescribing, right, So this is obviously a very sensitive issues.

859
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: What are some of the common misconceptions that you see

860
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 2: about deprescribing or tearpering off SSRIs or any of any

861
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: type of medication that people might be on.

862
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: I would say maybe one of them is that a bridge. Oh,

863
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: here's a bit one. So the z drugs, like the

864
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: sleep medications like Ambient, their tatent as being less addictive

865
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: than the benzos. I don't see that being the case.

866
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: Another one would be the bridgements are less addictive, like gabapentin.

867
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: I have some people that see me specifically to get

868
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: off gabapentin. For many people they are less addictive, but

869
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: not for everybody. I would also say a big misconception

870
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: would be that segments will cure a mental health condition.

871
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: Segments do not cure any mental health condition. They put

872
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: a pause on it. They will num you out to

873
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: it for a while, but there's no evidence that they

874
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: cure any psychetric or get a condition.

875
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: That's interesting. So let's with your average patient. Is is

876
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: there a go to Like you said that some people

877
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: come in and they're doing a lot, but do you

878
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: do your comprehensive screen when people come in bite all

879
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: of their diet, their stress, their sleep, their movement, those

880
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: sorts of things like is that how you start to

881
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: build up the picture and then get more of that

882
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: picture or or that informs the testing or is there

883
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: a blanket testing that you do for everybody regardless of

884
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: what they're presenting.

885
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: Was the first one. So I mean, well, bio residents,

886
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: I can pretty much do with everybody. But for most

887
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: people it's the what you first mentioned about getting a

888
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: really comprehensive screen and an idea of what's going on.

889
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: And that could be challenging because for a lot of

890
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 1: people that are trying to taper their second vacation or

891
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: having trouble, it's not uncommon for them to have disrupted sleep.

892
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: So the question is is that sleep because you're tapering

893
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: or did you always have that and it's worse now

894
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: because something inflammatory got triggered and now you're undernowing conditions

895
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: popping out or so trying to figure out, you know,

896
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: if we need to be you know, looking around for

897
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: other things at the same time, or if we do

898
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: need to, or some other labs to get a sense,

899
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: because everybody's Bobby compensates for metal cations in a different

900
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: way because like for example, with SSRIs, they are blocking

901
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: the reuptake of serotonin in the synapse, which means that

902
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: these receptor sites are kind of like, hey, we're hungry. Hello,

903
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: and the brain does it go Wow, what a great idea.

904
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: The brain goes, oh, those aren't working good, Let's make

905
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: more receptor sites. And that's what we call tolerance, where

906
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, I need more, this isn't working enough.

907
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: So now we have a lot of novel hungry, very

908
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: sensitive receptor sites that are going to be very potentially

909
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: reactive to more serotonin, which can be excitatory, not just

910
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: in hiptory. So for a lot of people we do

911
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: see these kind of weird reactions that happen, and that

912
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: could happen for somebody else and maybe not a problem

913
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: for somebody else. They might their stress might go somewhere

914
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: somewhere else, so maybe it's more like, oh, it's a

915
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: thiroy that's taken a hit with that that kind of thing.

916
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: And then we got to be careful because sometimes maybe

917
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: we want to help alleviate a thiory condition, but they're tapering,

918
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: that might make their taper worse.

919
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, interesting.

920
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: We have to be really careful about how we manage

921
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: everything at once.

922
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine it gets a very complicated picture, right,

923
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: and then quickly there is there is no medication. I

924
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 2: mean there's a lot of there's a lot of life

925
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 2: saving medications that are out there across the spectrum for

926
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 2: for everything, but there's not one single medication that doesn't

927
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: have a side effect. Right. That's what people need to

928
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: understand is if you change biology, you can't just very

929
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 2: targeted change one little bit of biology, because we are

930
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: a complex ecosystem.

931
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, the second generation I mean the

932
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: first two, but the second generation antipsychotics, they have fewer

933
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: extra pyramidal symptoms, but they are more known to cause

934
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: diabetes and metabot dysfunction. So what's really interesting to me

935
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: is that I just think it's like, if if a

936
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: drug does something really really well, like this regular blood sugar,

937
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: we should call the drug that thing, versus we call

938
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: it the side effects. But it's not the side of it.

939
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: It's actually the main effects. So but we're kind of

940
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: under this idea like no, no, like, But like I was

941
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 1: saying at the beginning, if it's very common it gets

942
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: sexual dysfunction with an SSRI, and it's not as common

943
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: for help with depression, then actually the relief of depression

944
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: to me is the side effect of the drug.

945
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so sorry we are running

946
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: out of Actually one other questions I did want to

947
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 2: ask you.

948
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 5: So, given that you tend.

949
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: To take a holistic view with your patients, and I'm

950
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 2: sure you walk the talk, how do you deal with it? Right?

951
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 2: So I'll preface this with with with myself. So when

952
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: I'm talking to people or I see people who I

953
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 2: know who have some sort of mood issues and I

954
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: know that their diet shit, I know they don't exercise,

955
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: I know they don't manage their stress. Well, i know

956
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: they've got to fucking team in their room and I'm

957
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: mobile phone in the room, and often I'll just bite

958
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: my lip and not say anything unless I'm invited to

959
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: ask how do you deal with that when you see

960
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 2: people around you doing things that you know you're fucking

961
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: yourself up here?

962
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: Because it's different, it's different when it's people you know

963
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: in love, like you go to medical school because you're like,

964
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: I'm asa save my family, and then you quickly learn

965
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: that you're like, nope, they're gonna do what they want

966
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: and that's that and that's it's hard, and you know,

967
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: so you kind of For me, I kind of got

968
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: to this level of like, Okay, there's acceptance and loving,

969
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: detachment and help when ask and all that stuff.

970
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 2: You know.

971
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: And my boyfriendon't mind me saying this, but my first

972
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: met him, he was drinking soda every single day and

973
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I said, look, I don't

974
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: want to go on judge, I love you, but this

975
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: is not a swarch for me to say this. A

976
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: soda is just as bad for your liver as a

977
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: cocktail like it. And when you heard that, he's like,

978
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: and then he sent me a video of him dumping

979
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: out his soda in the sink and he's like, I'll stop,

980
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: and I was like, thank you. Like it's like my

981
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: whole life, you know, it's just everything I do is

982
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: just health related, you know, and obviously not perfect. I

983
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: have all my vices and things I still do too,

984
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: but oh man, and that's I guess the hard part

985
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: of any relationship is like you don't want to like

986
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: see their mess but ignore yours, you know. And that's

987
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: why I'm trying to learn a little bit about that

988
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: because he'll be like, I'm gonna cheat this if we're

989
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: gonna have this treat, and I'm like, for sure, you know.

990
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: So it's hard. It's hard, and I swear it's like

991
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: it's it's very rare. I don't know why, but like

992
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: it's very rare for my male patients to bring in

993
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: their girlfriends or wives. It's very common for my female

994
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: patients to bring in their husbands or boyfriends. Interesting, I know,

995
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: I know, because they're like, can you please you know,

996
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah.

997
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get I get where this is going.

998
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, So where can people fight? So you do

999
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 2: you do telehealth? Right, so presumably people from who don't

1000
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 2: live in Las Vegas can can actually access your stuff?

1001
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: So where can people find out more about what you

1002
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: do and maybe a veal of your services and then

1003
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: you know, give us all the social media stuff where

1004
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: people can actually go and find out a little bit more.

1005
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: So people can find me through my website, doctor Juliabrits

1006
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: dot com They can also find me on Instagram at

1007
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: doctor Julia Britz nd is my handle. Those are my

1008
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: two most successible places, and I have email that you

1009
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: can find through that as well. But I also do

1010
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: q and as on Instagram once in a while people

1011
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: those kind of questions, and I have a couple of

1012
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: videos I've posted on my website about bio residents. Just

1013
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: account if you want to geek out more, you know,

1014
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: more about it.

1015
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll Actually I'm going to go and have a

1016
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: look at this because it signs quite intriguing.

1017
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 5: Juliat, that's been awesome.

1018
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time and for sharing your knowledge.

1019
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 5: With people, and have a great day evening.

1020
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: Thanks ver much.

1021
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 5: It's been a lass Cope.