WEBVTT - Sherlock Holmes, action hero

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<v Speaker 1>From the Australian. This is the weekend edition of The Front.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Claire Harvey. Sherlock Holmes, the famous pipe smoking uber detective,

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<v Speaker 1>is back, but with a twist in. Young Sherlock Holmes

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<v Speaker 1>has been given the Guy Ritchie treatment, all British action

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<v Speaker 1>hero with fast cuts and gritty fight scenes. In the

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<v Speaker 1>lead is Hero Finds Tiffin. He plays a young Sherlock

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes at Oxford, long before he's set foot on Baker Street.

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<v Speaker 1>Sherlock Holmes has been adapted for film and television more

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<v Speaker 1>than any other human character, from Basil Rathbone to Will Ferrell,

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<v Speaker 1>Bennedic Cumberbatch to Robert Downey Jr. So is there really

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<v Speaker 1>an appetite for another Sherlock? And what is there left

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<v Speaker 1>to say? Anyway? Joining me today is The Australian's Gisell Bwetti,

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<v Speaker 1>who's written about young Sherlock for The Australian's Culture section.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Sherlock Holmes. I've always been more of

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<v Speaker 2>a thinker than the fighter.

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<v Speaker 3>The two aren't mutually exclusively as an act.

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<v Speaker 2>The feeding as not to war Lactually that's stealing. Those

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<v Speaker 2>days are really behind me. I'm in Oxford now, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to promise me surly anything. Mother. Today, out of trouble.

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<v Speaker 4>Shelock Holmes, James Moriarty, Sherlock is speaking friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Sherlock Holmes is back for a new generation. And today

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<v Speaker 1>I'm joined by the Australians in house. Sherlock Holmes expert

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<v Speaker 1>who also happens to be our audience lead.

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<v Speaker 2>Giselle, Betty Gazelle. Who is that playing Sherlock Holmes.

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<v Speaker 5>That's Hero Fine Stiffen. He comes from a pretty prominent family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course Ray Finds. Joseph Fines.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Finds played most famously, of course, Voldemort in the

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Potter series, and that's where Hero got his start too.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, he played the young Tom Riddle as an eleven

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<v Speaker 6>year old.

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<v Speaker 7>I can make things move without touching them. I can

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<v Speaker 7>make animals do I want without training them. I can

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<v Speaker 7>make bad things happen to people who mean to me,

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<v Speaker 7>can meet.

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<v Speaker 6>Them hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>If I want a very chilling scene, I remember when

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<v Speaker 1>he encounters the magical world. He doesn't quite understand his

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<v Speaker 1>own powers. He's absolutely terrifying, even at the age of eleven.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, he's got the sinister stare down pat which I

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<v Speaker 6>feel like he's going to use that in the new series.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what sort of Sherlock Holmes is? He? Is

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<v Speaker 2>he scary?

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<v Speaker 6>H He's not necessarily scary. He's a bit mischievous, very charming.

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<v Speaker 6>He's got that charm, the wit that Benedictkomabatch has, and

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<v Speaker 6>he's also got the strength, the grit and the physicality

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<v Speaker 6>of Robert Downey Jr's Sherlock.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those are some of the actors who've played Sherlock

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes in the past much adapted character. Why are we

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<v Speaker 1>still adapting Sherlock Holmes more than one hundred years after

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<v Speaker 1>he was created?

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<v Speaker 6>I think that people resonate with Sherlock because he uses

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<v Speaker 6>his intelligence in chaos to find the truth, which is

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<v Speaker 6>something that we all want to do. And each of

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<v Speaker 6>the versions we've seen of Sherlock reflects the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Benedict Cumberbatch played Sherlock Holmes a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>probably in the most recent adaptation that I saw, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was very much in the sort of shadow of

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<v Speaker 1>the Afghanistan War. It was in a pretty dark, gritty,

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<v Speaker 1>modern London, wasn't it. What was Benedict Cumberbatch's adaptation?

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<v Speaker 6>Like he showed us the modern version of Sherlock. How

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<v Speaker 6>Sherlock Holmes could survive in a technical era.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's play a little bit of Benedict Cumberbatch as Sherlock Holmes.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the second person to say that to me today.

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<v Speaker 5>Who was the first?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Foreh just in sixty seven? Natural causes used to work here.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew him.

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<v Speaker 2>He was nice. Fine, we'll start with the riding crop.

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<v Speaker 2>So bad day, was it?

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<v Speaker 8>I need to know what Bruce's form in the next

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<v Speaker 8>twenty minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>A man's alibi depends on it.

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<v Speaker 4>Text me listen, I was wondering maybe later when you're

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<v Speaker 4>finished lipstick. You wear lipstick before I I refreshed it

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<v Speaker 4>to pit.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry you were saying. I was wondering if you'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to have coffee black two shutters, please have the upstairs.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a very modern Sherlock homes. But he's pretty cold,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't He's not? He's not giving a lot of warm away.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he has a lot of attitude.

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<v Speaker 6>And also he reintroduced Sherlock Holmes to new generation of viewers.

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<v Speaker 2>His sidekicked.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Watson was played by Martin Freeman, famous for, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the movie The Hobbit and millions of other productions. Including

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<v Speaker 1>four weddings and a funeral, and his nemesis Moriarty was

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<v Speaker 1>played by Andrew Scott Yes, also known as the Hot Priest.

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<v Speaker 2>He was terrifying.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he did such a good job of the mind manipulation,

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<v Speaker 6>that little crazy look in his eye, but also with

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<v Speaker 6>still that wit and charm.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, how do you feel about the violin?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 8>What I played the violin when I'm thinking? Sometimes I

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<v Speaker 8>talk with days On and with that boy, the potential

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<v Speaker 8>plantmate should know the worst about each other.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're talking about the violin and Sherlock's hobby. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess there's another aspect of his genius that harks back

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<v Speaker 1>to one of the really earliest adaptations of Sherlock Holmes,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 6>Who was that Basil Rathbone. He played Sherlock in the

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen thirties and I think was in fourteen films of

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<v Speaker 6>Sherlock Holmes. He is the epitome of Sherlock. He made

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<v Speaker 6>the deer stalker hat famous as well as the pipe,

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<v Speaker 6>and he also had that gentleman charm of the old days.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see a little bit of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I trust I don't come in opportunita, My dear fellows,

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<v Speaker 3>if you ever could come on, pull up a chair.

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<v Speaker 1>Does the modern Sherlock Holmes in the new series play

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<v Speaker 1>the violin.

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<v Speaker 5>Not that we've seen so far.

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<v Speaker 6>He's more into fighting like the Robert Downey junior version,

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<v Speaker 6>but he's very He's not there yet. Moriarty is currently

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<v Speaker 6>better than him. But it's cool because you get to

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<v Speaker 6>see the formation of where he learned to fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so tell me what are we learning about him?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the setup?

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<v Speaker 6>So in the first episode we see him at Oxford

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<v Speaker 6>where he meets James Moriarty and they actually become friends.

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<v Speaker 2>And is Dr Watson in there as a character a

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<v Speaker 2>young not.

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<v Speaker 6>Yet, but we do see Colin Firth make an appearance

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<v Speaker 6>as one of the professors.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, some British acting royalty there.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yes, it's a very stellar cast.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a you know, the ultimate English part, really,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it with the Irish nemesis in Moriarty. Having Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Downey Junior play Sherlock Holmes was a revolutionary choice from

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<v Speaker 1>a memory. He did a pretty bad English accent.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yeah he did. He was definitely a more rough

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<v Speaker 5>version of Sherlock.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's play a little bit of Robert Downey Jr.

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<v Speaker 2>As Sherlock Holmes.

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<v Speaker 8>M Hey, mister Lewis, isn't one case that intrigues me

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<v Speaker 8>at present? The curious case is Missus Hudson the absent

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<v Speaker 8>tee Landlady. I've been studying the cummings and goings, the almost.

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<v Speaker 5>Tea.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Holmes, is it poisoned?

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<v Speaker 3>Nanny?

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<v Speaker 2>There's enough of that a new or don't touch everything.

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<v Speaker 8>That's in this proper place as per usual, Nanny, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just killed the dog again?

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<v Speaker 6>What have you done to Gladstone? Now?

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<v Speaker 8>I was simply testing a new anesthetic.

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<v Speaker 2>Just know that was Jude Law alongside Robert Downey.

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<v Speaker 6>Jeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, very good chemistry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Is that your personal favorite?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, one of the things I love about this one

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<v Speaker 6>is when he does the fight scenes, they like pull

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<v Speaker 6>it out and you get to see him calculate every move, which, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>is really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So young Sherlock is in origin story.

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<v Speaker 1>It's where we start getting to know Sherlock Holmes, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to acquire all those characteristics of grumpiness and

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<v Speaker 1>disorganization and maybe some neurodivergence that we've seen in future adaptations.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is the person who Hero finds Tiffan makes out

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<v Speaker 1>of Sherlock.

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<v Speaker 2>What sort of kid is he?

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<v Speaker 6>One of the things he mentioned in the interview was

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<v Speaker 6>that he was nervous about playing with his uncle Joseph Finn,

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<v Speaker 6>and he thought he was doing a really good job,

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<v Speaker 6>but then when he got to those scenes, he got

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<v Speaker 6>really nervous and wasn't sure if he was second guessing himself.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think that's kind of reflected in the character

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<v Speaker 6>that he plays, where it's like he has the skills,

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<v Speaker 6>he knows what he's doing, but he just hasn't got.

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<v Speaker 5>The confidence yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Who does Joseph Fines play?

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<v Speaker 5>He plays his father.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny to think of him having parents.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, yeah, yeah, and it adds that extra layer. I

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<v Speaker 6>suppose we also get to find out little bits about

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<v Speaker 6>his siblings as.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, coming up when Sherlock Holmes's world collides with Guy Ritchie's.

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<v Speaker 1>The series is created by Guy Ritchie, who really reinvented

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<v Speaker 1>British cinema in the nineteen nineties. He created a very distinctive,

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<v Speaker 1>very kind of cool action slash crime heist movie style,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess in Lockstock and Two Smoking Barrels and then

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<v Speaker 1>Snatch also created a whole new generation of British stars

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<v Speaker 1>what's his influence on this series? Do you think it's

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<v Speaker 1>definitely action packed?

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<v Speaker 6>But I have only seen the first few episodes, and

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<v Speaker 6>Hero did say that it does start to get a

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<v Speaker 6>bit more serious and emotional.

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<v Speaker 5>Guy Ritchie told Hero to keep.

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<v Speaker 6>The emotions under control and to lean more into, like

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<v Speaker 6>the theatrics full side of it, so that when those

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<v Speaker 6>big emotional scenes did come up, it was more jarring

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<v Speaker 6>because you're not expecting it, because it's been up here

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<v Speaker 6>the whole time, and then all of a sudden, it's, oh, this.

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<v Speaker 5>Is really deep.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's talk about the kind of emotional side of

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<v Speaker 1>Sherlock Holmes. He is simultaneously as a character, very perceptive, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>but also quite dense. He misses things that are happening

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<v Speaker 1>right in front of him. That's an intriguing kind of

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<v Speaker 1>character to plays and to write.

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<v Speaker 6>So Jeremy Bratt, who played Sherlock in the nineteen eighties

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<v Speaker 6>TV series, his version was a lot more psychological. It

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<v Speaker 6>showed that the complexity to his mind, and he almost

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<v Speaker 6>has that depressive feel to it. He may be this

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<v Speaker 6>really intelligent genius, but you know he's got emotions too.

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<v Speaker 3>What do the public? The great and observant public. You

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<v Speaker 3>can have to tell her we are by his tooth

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<v Speaker 3>and I I'm positive by his left dumb tell about

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<v Speaker 3>the finest shades of analysis a deduction.

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<v Speaker 1>Audiences have huge appetite for mysteries, don't they. You're an

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<v Speaker 1>audience lead here at The Australian, so you spend a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of your time minutely analyzing exactly what audiences are into.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you see in their kind of interesting crime

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<v Speaker 1>and as big kind of crime stories washed through the

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<v Speaker 1>news cycle, what do you see the audience kind of

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<v Speaker 1>leaning towards them?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think is behind that fascination that we have.

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<v Speaker 6>There's so much chaos in the world and we're all

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<v Speaker 6>just trying to make sense of that chaos and understand

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<v Speaker 6>it it a bit better, And like especially the way

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<v Speaker 6>that Sherlock makes sense of the chaos of the confusion.

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<v Speaker 5>At a time when you know we're all a bit confused, it's.

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<v Speaker 6>Nice to have someone to look to that to make

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<v Speaker 6>us believe that we can kind of make sense of it.

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<v Speaker 6>All that finding the truth and understanding the truth and

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<v Speaker 6>how to get to the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's your favorite ever, Sherlock homes I.

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<v Speaker 6>Did like Benedict com of Bachelor's version, just like a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of millennials. Yeah, yeah, he's just got something about him,

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<v Speaker 6>you know. But I also liked Johnny Lee Miller, who

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<v Speaker 6>played Sherlock in Elementary, which was in twenty nineteen. I

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<v Speaker 6>believe it was a different, very very different take. He

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<v Speaker 6>was like a drug addicts, tattoos everywhere. It played more

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<v Speaker 6>on the psychological thriller part, which I like.

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<v Speaker 2>Who do you think he's going to find?

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<v Speaker 5>Hero?

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<v Speaker 2>Find Stiff and their favorite Sherlock Homes. Is he aimed

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<v Speaker 2>at really young people or or not?

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<v Speaker 6>The Sherlock fandom is so big and spans over so

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<v Speaker 6>many different age groups as well that I think, no

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<v Speaker 6>matter what, people will want to tune in just to

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<v Speaker 6>see what's what was Sherlock like as a young boy.

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<v Speaker 1>In a lot of the adaptations, particularly that Benedictkumabatchewan, we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen attempts to modernize Sherlock Homes bring him into the

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<v Speaker 1>modern world. This is very much taking him back even

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<v Speaker 1>before the Arthur Conan Doyle story, So seeing him as

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<v Speaker 1>a teenager essentially in the eighteen sixties and eighteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>that's an interesting choice for a show that really does

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<v Speaker 1>need to connect with a new generation.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, definitely. I think that.

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<v Speaker 6>At the moment, younger people in particular were very emotionally vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 6>Looking at Sherlock as a young person, he's very emotionally

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<v Speaker 6>vulnerable and he's not that character that knows the answer

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<v Speaker 6>to everything. He will be one day, but he's getting there,

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<v Speaker 6>and I think that's very reflective of young people at

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<v Speaker 6>the moment. We are more in touch with our emotions.

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<v Speaker 6>I say that I agree with that, and more open

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<v Speaker 6>to understanding where our traumas come from. And I think

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<v Speaker 6>this is what's really interesting about this show is that

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<v Speaker 6>we get to see where Sherlock's traumas came from.

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<v Speaker 2>She's Elbwitty. Thank you very much for joining me.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Young Sherlock is streaming now on Amazon Prime in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>She's Elbwetti is a journalist at The Australian. You can

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<v Speaker 1>read her feature on Young Sherlock at the Australian dot

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<v Speaker 1>com dot a u slash culture. This episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>Front was hosted by me Claire Harvey. It was produced

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<v Speaker 1>by Jasper Leik and edited by Josh Burton. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us on the front This week. Our team also

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<v Speaker 1>includes Kristen Amiot, Leah Tamaglu and Tiffany Dimack.