1 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: From the Australian. This is the weekend edition of The Front. 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Harvey. Sherlock Holmes, the famous pipe smoking uber detective, 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: is back, but with a twist in. Young Sherlock Holmes 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: has been given the Guy Ritchie treatment, all British action 5 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: hero with fast cuts and gritty fight scenes. In the 6 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: lead is Hero Finds Tiffin. He plays a young Sherlock 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: Holmes at Oxford, long before he's set foot on Baker Street. 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 1: Sherlock Holmes has been adapted for film and television more 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: than any other human character, from Basil Rathbone to Will Ferrell, 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: Bennedic Cumberbatch to Robert Downey Jr. So is there really 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: an appetite for another Sherlock? And what is there left 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: to say? Anyway? Joining me today is The Australian's Gisell Bwetti, 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: who's written about young Sherlock for The Australian's Culture section. 14 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: My name is Sherlock Holmes. I've always been more of 15 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: a thinker than the fighter. 16 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: The two aren't mutually exclusively as an act. 17 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: The feeding as not to war Lactually that's stealing. Those 18 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: days are really behind me. I'm in Oxford now, you 19 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: have to promise me surly anything. Mother. Today, out of trouble. 20 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 4: Shelock Holmes, James Moriarty, Sherlock is speaking friends. 21 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: Sherlock Holmes is back for a new generation. And today 22 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm joined by the Australians in house. Sherlock Holmes expert 23 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: who also happens to be our audience lead. 24 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: Giselle, Betty Gazelle. Who is that playing Sherlock Holmes. 25 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 5: That's Hero Fine Stiffen. He comes from a pretty prominent family. 26 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course Ray Finds. Joseph Fines. 27 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: Ray Finds played most famously, of course, Voldemort in the 28 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Harry Potter series, and that's where Hero got his start too. 29 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 6: Yes, he played the young Tom Riddle as an eleven 30 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 6: year old. 31 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 7: I can make things move without touching them. I can 32 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 7: make animals do I want without training them. I can 33 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 7: make bad things happen to people who mean to me, 34 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 7: can meet. 35 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 6: Them hurt. 36 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: If I want a very chilling scene, I remember when 37 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: he encounters the magical world. He doesn't quite understand his 38 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: own powers. He's absolutely terrifying, even at the age of eleven. 39 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 6: Yes, he's got the sinister stare down pat which I 40 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 6: feel like he's going to use that in the new series. 41 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: And so what sort of Sherlock Holmes is? He? Is 42 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: he scary? 43 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 6: H He's not necessarily scary. He's a bit mischievous, very charming. 44 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 6: He's got that charm, the wit that Benedictkomabatch has, and 45 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 6: he's also got the strength, the grit and the physicality 46 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 6: of Robert Downey Jr's Sherlock. 47 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, those are some of the actors who've played Sherlock 48 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: Holmes in the past much adapted character. Why are we 49 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: still adapting Sherlock Holmes more than one hundred years after 50 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: he was created? 51 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 6: I think that people resonate with Sherlock because he uses 52 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 6: his intelligence in chaos to find the truth, which is 53 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 6: something that we all want to do. And each of 54 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 6: the versions we've seen of Sherlock reflects the time. 55 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: Yes, Benedict Cumberbatch played Sherlock Holmes a few years ago, 56 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: probably in the most recent adaptation that I saw, and 57 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: that was very much in the sort of shadow of 58 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: the Afghanistan War. It was in a pretty dark, gritty, 59 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: modern London, wasn't it. What was Benedict Cumberbatch's adaptation? 60 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 6: Like he showed us the modern version of Sherlock. How 61 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 6: Sherlock Holmes could survive in a technical era. 62 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: Let's play a little bit of Benedict Cumberbatch as Sherlock Holmes. 63 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: You're the second person to say that to me today. 64 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 5: Who was the first? 65 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: Oh? 66 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: Foreh just in sixty seven? Natural causes used to work here. 67 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 5: I knew him. 68 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: He was nice. Fine, we'll start with the riding crop. 69 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: So bad day, was it? 70 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 8: I need to know what Bruce's form in the next 71 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 8: twenty minutes. 72 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: A man's alibi depends on it. 73 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 4: Text me listen, I was wondering maybe later when you're 74 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 4: finished lipstick. You wear lipstick before I I refreshed it 75 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: to pit. 76 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: Sorry you were saying. I was wondering if you'd like 77 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: to have coffee black two shutters, please have the upstairs. 78 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: That is a very modern Sherlock homes. But he's pretty cold, 79 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: isn't He's not? He's not giving a lot of warm away. 80 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, he has a lot of attitude. 81 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 6: And also he reintroduced Sherlock Holmes to new generation of viewers. 82 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: His sidekicked. 83 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: Doctor Watson was played by Martin Freeman, famous for, of course, 84 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: the movie The Hobbit and millions of other productions. Including 85 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: four weddings and a funeral, and his nemesis Moriarty was 86 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: played by Andrew Scott Yes, also known as the Hot Priest. 87 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: He was terrifying. 88 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, he did such a good job of the mind manipulation, 89 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 6: that little crazy look in his eye, but also with 90 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 6: still that wit and charm. 91 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: Okay, how do you feel about the violin? 92 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: Sorry? 93 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 8: What I played the violin when I'm thinking? Sometimes I 94 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 8: talk with days On and with that boy, the potential 95 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 8: plantmate should know the worst about each other. 96 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: So they're talking about the violin and Sherlock's hobby. I 97 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: guess there's another aspect of his genius that harks back 98 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,559 Speaker 1: to one of the really earliest adaptations of Sherlock Holmes, 99 00:05:58,560 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: doesn't it. 100 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 6: Who was that Basil Rathbone. He played Sherlock in the 101 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 6: nineteen thirties and I think was in fourteen films of 102 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 6: Sherlock Holmes. He is the epitome of Sherlock. He made 103 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 6: the deer stalker hat famous as well as the pipe, 104 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 6: and he also had that gentleman charm of the old days. 105 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 2: Let's see a little bit of that. 106 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 3: I trust I don't come in opportunita, My dear fellows, 107 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 3: if you ever could come on, pull up a chair. 108 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: Does the modern Sherlock Holmes in the new series play 109 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: the violin. 110 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 5: Not that we've seen so far. 111 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 6: He's more into fighting like the Robert Downey junior version, 112 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 6: but he's very He's not there yet. Moriarty is currently 113 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 6: better than him. But it's cool because you get to 114 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 6: see the formation of where he learned to fight. 115 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so tell me what are we learning about him? 116 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: What's the setup? 117 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 6: So in the first episode we see him at Oxford 118 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 6: where he meets James Moriarty and they actually become friends. 119 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: And is Dr Watson in there as a character a 120 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: young not. 121 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 6: Yet, but we do see Colin Firth make an appearance 122 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 6: as one of the professors. 123 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: Ah, some British acting royalty there. 124 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, it's a very stellar cast. 125 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: And it's a you know, the ultimate English part, really, 126 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: isn't it with the Irish nemesis in Moriarty. Having Robert 127 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: Downey Junior play Sherlock Holmes was a revolutionary choice from 128 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: a memory. He did a pretty bad English accent. 129 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah he did. He was definitely a more rough 130 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 5: version of Sherlock. 131 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's play a little bit of Robert Downey Jr. 132 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: As Sherlock Holmes. 133 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 8: M Hey, mister Lewis, isn't one case that intrigues me 134 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 8: at present? The curious case is Missus Hudson the absent 135 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 8: tee Landlady. I've been studying the cummings and goings, the almost. 136 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 5: Tea. 137 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: Mister Holmes, is it poisoned? 138 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: Nanny? 139 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: There's enough of that a new or don't touch everything. 140 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 8: That's in this proper place as per usual, Nanny, I. 141 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: Just killed the dog again? 142 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 6: What have you done to Gladstone? Now? 143 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 8: I was simply testing a new anesthetic. 144 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,679 Speaker 2: Just know that was Jude Law alongside Robert Downey. 145 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 6: Jeah. 146 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, very good chemistry. 147 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Is that your personal favorite? 148 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 6: Well, one of the things I love about this one 149 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 6: is when he does the fight scenes, they like pull 150 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 6: it out and you get to see him calculate every move, which, yeah, 151 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 6: is really interesting. 152 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: So young Sherlock is in origin story. 153 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: It's where we start getting to know Sherlock Holmes, and 154 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: he's going to acquire all those characteristics of grumpiness and 155 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: disorganization and maybe some neurodivergence that we've seen in future adaptations. 156 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: Who is the person who Hero finds Tiffan makes out 157 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: of Sherlock. 158 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: What sort of kid is he? 159 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 6: One of the things he mentioned in the interview was 160 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 6: that he was nervous about playing with his uncle Joseph Finn, 161 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 6: and he thought he was doing a really good job, 162 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 6: but then when he got to those scenes, he got 163 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 6: really nervous and wasn't sure if he was second guessing himself. 164 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 6: And I think that's kind of reflected in the character 165 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 6: that he plays, where it's like he has the skills, 166 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 6: he knows what he's doing, but he just hasn't got. 167 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 5: The confidence yet. 168 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: Who does Joseph Fines play? 169 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 5: He plays his father. 170 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: It's funny to think of him having parents. 171 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, yeah, and it adds that extra layer. I 172 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 6: suppose we also get to find out little bits about 173 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 6: his siblings as. 174 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: Well, coming up when Sherlock Holmes's world collides with Guy Ritchie's. 175 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 1: The series is created by Guy Ritchie, who really reinvented 176 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: British cinema in the nineteen nineties. He created a very distinctive, 177 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: very kind of cool action slash crime heist movie style, 178 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: I guess in Lockstock and Two Smoking Barrels and then 179 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: Snatch also created a whole new generation of British stars 180 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: what's his influence on this series? Do you think it's 181 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: definitely action packed? 182 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 6: But I have only seen the first few episodes, and 183 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 6: Hero did say that it does start to get a 184 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 6: bit more serious and emotional. 185 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 5: Guy Ritchie told Hero to keep. 186 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 6: The emotions under control and to lean more into, like 187 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 6: the theatrics full side of it, so that when those 188 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 6: big emotional scenes did come up, it was more jarring 189 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 6: because you're not expecting it, because it's been up here 190 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 6: the whole time, and then all of a sudden, it's, oh, this. 191 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 5: Is really deep. 192 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about the kind of emotional side of 193 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: Sherlock Holmes. He is simultaneously as a character, very perceptive, obviously, 194 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: but also quite dense. He misses things that are happening 195 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: right in front of him. That's an intriguing kind of 196 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: character to plays and to write. 197 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 6: So Jeremy Bratt, who played Sherlock in the nineteen eighties 198 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 6: TV series, his version was a lot more psychological. It 199 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 6: showed that the complexity to his mind, and he almost 200 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 6: has that depressive feel to it. He may be this 201 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 6: really intelligent genius, but you know he's got emotions too. 202 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 3: What do the public? The great and observant public. You 203 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 3: can have to tell her we are by his tooth 204 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 3: and I I'm positive by his left dumb tell about 205 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: the finest shades of analysis a deduction. 206 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: Audiences have huge appetite for mysteries, don't they. You're an 207 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: audience lead here at The Australian, so you spend a 208 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: lot of your time minutely analyzing exactly what audiences are into. 209 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: What do you see in their kind of interesting crime 210 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: and as big kind of crime stories washed through the 211 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: news cycle, what do you see the audience kind of 212 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: leaning towards them? 213 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: What do you think is behind that fascination that we have. 214 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 6: There's so much chaos in the world and we're all 215 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 6: just trying to make sense of that chaos and understand 216 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 6: it it a bit better, And like especially the way 217 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,599 Speaker 6: that Sherlock makes sense of the chaos of the confusion. 218 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 5: At a time when you know we're all a bit confused, it's. 219 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 6: Nice to have someone to look to that to make 220 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 6: us believe that we can kind of make sense of it. 221 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 6: All that finding the truth and understanding the truth and 222 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 6: how to get to the truth. 223 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 2: Who's your favorite ever, Sherlock homes I. 224 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 6: Did like Benedict com of Bachelor's version, just like a 225 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 6: lot of millennials. Yeah, yeah, he's just got something about him, 226 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 6: you know. But I also liked Johnny Lee Miller, who 227 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 6: played Sherlock in Elementary, which was in twenty nineteen. I 228 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 6: believe it was a different, very very different take. He 229 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 6: was like a drug addicts, tattoos everywhere. It played more 230 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 6: on the psychological thriller part, which I like. 231 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 2: Who do you think he's going to find? 232 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 5: Hero? 233 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: Find Stiff and their favorite Sherlock Homes. Is he aimed 234 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: at really young people or or not? 235 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 6: The Sherlock fandom is so big and spans over so 236 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 6: many different age groups as well that I think, no 237 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 6: matter what, people will want to tune in just to 238 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 6: see what's what was Sherlock like as a young boy. 239 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: In a lot of the adaptations, particularly that Benedictkumabatchewan, we've 240 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: seen attempts to modernize Sherlock Homes bring him into the 241 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: modern world. This is very much taking him back even 242 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: before the Arthur Conan Doyle story, So seeing him as 243 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: a teenager essentially in the eighteen sixties and eighteen seventies, 244 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: that's an interesting choice for a show that really does 245 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: need to connect with a new generation. 246 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: Isn't it. 247 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 5: Yes, definitely. I think that. 248 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 6: At the moment, younger people in particular were very emotionally vulnerable. 249 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 6: Looking at Sherlock as a young person, he's very emotionally 250 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 6: vulnerable and he's not that character that knows the answer 251 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 6: to everything. He will be one day, but he's getting there, 252 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 6: and I think that's very reflective of young people at 253 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 6: the moment. We are more in touch with our emotions. 254 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 6: I say that I agree with that, and more open 255 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 6: to understanding where our traumas come from. And I think 256 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 6: this is what's really interesting about this show is that 257 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 6: we get to see where Sherlock's traumas came from. 258 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: She's Elbwitty. Thank you very much for joining me. 259 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. 260 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: Young Sherlock is streaming now on Amazon Prime in Australia. 261 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: She's Elbwetti is a journalist at The Australian. You can 262 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: read her feature on Young Sherlock at the Australian dot 263 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: com dot a u slash culture. This episode of the 264 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: Front was hosted by me Claire Harvey. It was produced 265 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: by Jasper Leik and edited by Josh Burton. Thanks for 266 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: joining us on the front This week. Our team also 267 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: includes Kristen Amiot, Leah Tamaglu and Tiffany Dimack.