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Speaker 1: a linked to the substack there. So January twenty six

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Speaker 1: Firstly, thank you both so much for doing this. We

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because our political leaders are giving, like giving free

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Speaker 4: I think that people are a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, absolutely not. I was you Do you

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Speaker 1: So you and Sam would Now we're talking Bachelor here, Maddie.

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Speaker 1: It's a show I used to work on. Oh I

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Speaker 1: ability to read an emotional person and communicate exactly to

437
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,199
Speaker 1: de escalate, and community was just mint. It was a

438
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 1: fucking mint, all right. And when I think of I.

439
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 4: Thought you were going to say treating men like children.

440
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, no no, but look on it.

441
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: But all of us I do it, all right. If

442
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 1: I'm in a if I'm in an elevated state, particularly

443
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 1: if I'm agitated or something like that, I will revert

444
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 1: to somewhat of a child state. And it might look

445
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 1: like a grown man raising his words. Well I'm essentially

446
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: having a tantrum. Yeah, all right, and we all do it. Yeah.

447
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: And so all leadership is parenting. All leadership is simply

448
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: that it is. Leadership is like parenting. The best and

449
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: worst thing about kids, Like it's not about the sleep

450
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 1: or anything like that. The worst thing about kids is

451
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: they don't do what you tell them, but they do

452
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: everything you show them. So modeling the behavior because when

453
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: you see your kid doing something that pisses you off

454
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh fuck, you learned that from me,

455
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: You have to change your shit. So let me ask,

456
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: let's just do it. Let's have a you know, after

457
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: your rant brook, Let's just say little let's just say

458
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: you're running a you're running a thing for a bunch

459
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: of kids. And let's just say there's a kid called Dixon,

460
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, and Dixon's like, I'm not going to

461
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: stand in front of the Aboriginal flank miss like crossing

462
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: his arms. What do you say to that little guy?

463
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: What do you say that the little guy who's just

464
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: like stumping his foot and just like getting upset because

465
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to stand in front of a clock.

466
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 3: The thing is the lack of understanding and not being empathetic.

467
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: And I think that's one of the things that I

468
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 3: can see kids that are empathetic, and I think it's

469
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 3: like a pack mentality as well. It's like I would

470
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 3: be like, well, like this, guys, you can have your

471
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 3: different opinion. That's so fine, but I'm going to just

472
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 3: like give you like a bit of education, a little

473
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 3: bit of understanding, and I'm going to let you figure

474
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 3: out where you want to stand and like empathize and like,

475
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 3: you know, understanding empathy is like one of the things

476
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 3: that I like love in my work is trying to

477
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 3: get kids to be a little bit more empathetic about

478
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 3: other situations and other emotions and other people in the room,

479
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: like we're not all the same. And I think that's

480
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,719
Speaker 3: like a general public thing. But I mean, I don't know,

481
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 3: I feel like not being able to stand like sure, okay,

482
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 3: call it out, but not be aggressive, yeah, and understand,

483
00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 3: Like what is it about the flag itself? That? What

484
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: is the book?

485
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 4: It's so stupid.

486
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 3: It sounds so stupid, Like what is it done to you?

487
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 3: Like exactly, like it really does sound true, like I think,

488
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 3: but it's like, Okay, sure that's where you want to stand.

489
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: Great, you just mentioned something there, Brooke. I mean the

490
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: kind of you know, doing youth work is and like

491
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: I've read your book, You've seen some shit when you're

492
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: there with kids who are you know, being really dangerous

493
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: or really aggressive or whatever. Like to have your empathy

494
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: to see their behavior as a symptom is just incredible.

495
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: Like that you do that is just mind blowing. And

496
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, what is it about? What do you

497
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: tell people who are new to the job or people

498
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: that you're training or whatever about trying to imagine what's

499
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: going on for someone else. This is just some people

500
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: who are listening to like, well, you know what, why

501
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: should I empathize with someone? I'm working my ass off

502
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: out here in the suburbs. I can't make ends of

503
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: me and I'm taking a second job. I'm doing, you know,

504
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: bloody food delivery, trying to pay for shit. What you know,

505
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm busy doing my thing. Yeah, what's what's it? What's

506
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: your way of you know, what's how do you find

507
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: your way to bring in empathy or what do you

508
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: tell people about the you know, how do you get

509
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: started and having empathy to someone who's been really confronting

510
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: to you?

511
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: Well, it always takes two seconds to care, Like I

512
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 3: honestly think that I went into youth work for my

513
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 3: own experiences, and I mean, you've read about them like

514
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 3: it's it's I've just looked beyond what someone's like actions

515
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 3: are like even I guess maybe using my mom as

516
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 3: an example, Like my mom struggled and had a really

517
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 3: tough childhood. I don't know her other than what she

518
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 3: was as my mom, and it wasn't always healthy, but

519
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 3: I could see that she was trying to do the

520
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 3: best with what she could. And I think like having

521
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: that from like such a young age and just watching

522
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 3: people and analyzing people. I could see when when like

523
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 3: escalats were going to happen. And I don't know, maybe

524
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 3: I'm just a little bit more emotionally mature and I've

525
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 3: developed that because I was in a survival mentality. I

526
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: don't know, I can't really psychoanalyze myself. But when it

527
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: comes to working with young children, like these are kids

528
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: that I'm working with are away from home, Like they

529
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: don't have a lot of guidance, they don't have a

530
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 3: lot of support, So you are the support. You have

531
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: to pretty much put aside your own shit and like

532
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 3: be like, Okay, what do they need. I think it's

533
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 3: the needs and want spaces as well, like I want

534
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: them to feel safe, but they need me to do this.

535
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 3: And some kids don't necessarily always agree with what I

536
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: feel like I'm providing, but if if you give them

537
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 3: a minute, like they read between the lines as well,

538
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 3: Like I've I've had to do some really tough stuff

539
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: and have some really tough conversations and then I've walked

540
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: away and I just kind of let them figure it out.

541
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 3: And then they come back and they apologize and they

542
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 3: say like, yeah, I've overreacted or like you know what

543
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: I mean, You've got to give them the time and space,

544
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 3: and you've got to be patient with these kids.

545
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, No, that was beautiful. Can you just

546
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: expand on you said something really beautiful before? Can you

547
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: just expand a bit on that. It only takes two

548
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: seconds to care?

549
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 3: It really does, Like I don't know, we don't really

550
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: show kindness a lot, like all compassion. Really, I think

551
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: one thing, there's just like I always thought, you know,

552
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 3: I had a pretty shit sometimes, but then I thought, oh,

553
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: there's worse people out there, Like there's so many people

554
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: that have so much worse. And then I think, well,

555
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 3: I'm just really grateful for what I have. And then

556
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't take two seconds to just show

557
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: smiler a stranger in the street, like, show a bit

558
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: of compassion, show a bit of kindness. Like I just

559
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: think there's this is what I say to Maddie all

560
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: the time, Hey, Maddie, Like I say, there is more

561
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: than enough to go around. And I think that's more

562
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 3: than enough. Kindness, that's more than enough, compassion, that's more

563
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 3: than enough love. Love is probably one of the things

564
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: that I like. And I think also like there's more

565
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: than enough fucking money in the world, Like we just

566
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: don't put it in the right places.

567
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: You know, even when we go back to talking about

568
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: the politics, I think standing in front of the flag,

569
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: you know, what does that mean for a community to

570
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: have the flag there?

571
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: A lot?

572
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: But if you have to sort of have an ability

573
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: to be able to see that from a different lens

574
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: instead of your own selfishness, you know. And I think

575
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: symbols for our community are also quite important, and they

576
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: might not mean a lot to the wider community, but

577
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: I think about when we see the Aboriginal flag, how

578
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: important that is. And the opposite of pride is shame.

579
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: In our community has been dealt the biggest lab of

580
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: shame over the years. You know, we've always been told

581
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: that we should be ashamed of who we are. We've

582
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: been combating these stereotypes in the media for years and

583
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: years and years. So what is the opposite of feeling ashamed.

584
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: It's feeling pride. And when we see that flag, that

585
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: is the sense of pride. It makes us feel like, yes,

586
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: we are a part of this country, and yes we

587
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: are in the fabric of this country, the you know,

588
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: the founding fabric of this country. And I think that

589
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: the flag is really important to our community because of

590
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: that reason, because it makes us feel like a small

591
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: sense of be longing.

592
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: If January twenty six was let's say, for example, I

593
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: don't know, say it was September the tenth or September

594
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: the ninth. Let's say it was a few days nine eleven.

595
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: Let's fuck it. Let's say it's like it's always it's

596
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: always twenty eight, all right, that was the day. Well,

597
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: actually August twenty second, which is the actual day. Yeah,

598
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: that James Cook put a flag in it a possession

599
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: island in final Queensland. It was nothing to do with

600
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: Botany Bay. It was August twenty second. So let's say

601
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: it was always twenty second, and that was the day,

602
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: and this is the day, and every First Nations player

603
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: in the NRL and the AFLD is when we're not

604
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: playing this week, how fucking boring would the games that

605
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: weekend be? The games would be very, very boring. Would

606
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: be sitting there and watch you go li like as

607
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: farms tongans just running over everybody. This is not as

608
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: fun as it used like AFL particularly, the viewership would

609
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: go down, real boring and hang on, I'm like the

610
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: team sucks this.

611
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: Week, wet impact the ratings, and that says a lot.

612
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: Well, you know, this is the thing, it's all, and

613
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's parallels in other countries, like in in

614
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: per certainly in France with the you know, the Arabic

615
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: soccer players, and you know in you know, in the

616
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: in the US with the African American football players and

617
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: basketball players. Everything's great, but you know, you just get

618
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: out there and be really awesome at footy. It's fine,

619
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: but don't say anything totally. You know, I get a

620
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: bit of an industrial action going on.

621
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel sorry for some of our you know, athletes,

622
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: I really do. I really feel like and you know,

623
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: one of the one of the examples that I'll give

624
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: is that I went to a concert with an an

625
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: RL star, one of.

626
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: The top of the.

627
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: Probably our most well known player currently, and he did

628
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: an amazing.

629
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: Was there a cowboy had involved? I think I know

630
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: the concert he went to.

631
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: I sat next to this an RLS player for that concert.

632
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: He had the best outfit and you know what, he

633
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: didn't touch a sip of alcohol at all, and the

634
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: only thing he did was do that act on stage

635
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: with the musician, which was a showy and that was it.

636
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: But the next day the headlines were that, you know

637
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: he was plastered and drunk, and you know, you can

638
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: be the best of your game, you can be the

639
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: pinnacle of the sport, and any opportunity they get, they'll

640
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: just it, they'll just tear you.

641
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: Well, this is this is for there's a business to

642
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: be made. This is what these people are selling clicks

643
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: and they're selling papers.

644
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: But it's so damaging. Like the thing is, there's a grab,

645
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: there's a weight to it. When it comes to First

646
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: Nations culture, I feel like it'd be.

647
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 4: So perpetuated stereotypes that yeah, I.

648
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 3: Hate stereotypes, but like just you just begin to like

649
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: live with them, don't you.

650
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: Which need to take a quick break from Madam Brooke.

651
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. I love the idea of possibility. Brook.

652
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: I'll start with you. Brook. Let's paint a picture. I

653
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: would love to celebrate. I want to host a fucking

654
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: concert with five hundred thousand people in a massive field

655
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: and celebrate how amazing our country is. I want I

656
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: want that for all of us, and don't want to

657
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: do it on that day. Yeah, all right, let's say

658
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: ten years we figured out Brook, and you and I

659
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: are on stage somewhere and where you know, we're co

660
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: hosting this big moment. What does celebrating our country look like?

661
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: And what does January twenty six look like?

662
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: Oh that's a really good question, and I think I

663
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: have some great answers. In ten years, Okay, I think

664
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: the first thing I think of is a focus on

665
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 3: truth telling. In that ten years, I think there's been

666
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: a commitment not just to something symbolic like the voice,

667
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: like I think something with so much more depth and

668
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: recognition and acknowledgment, And there's education, and I think in

669
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 3: the ten years, like I'd hope that there's a really

670
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: true telling of our first nation's culture and history. And

671
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: I think then people have an understanding, and I think

672
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 3: then they can better have conversations, you know, like they

673
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 3: feel confident enough to have those conversations. And we don't

674
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 3: have to be Maddie and I don't have to be

675
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 3: the spokespeople Like I can talk on a panel and

676
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: someone else can you know, interject and say, well, yeah,

677
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: this is how not talking on behalf of me, but

678
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: talking as like an actual proper.

679
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: Ally I feel, at least in recent years, I don't

680
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: know you just use the word, and I understand what

681
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: you used the word, but I feel in recently is

682
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: that word the word ally? I mean, I've just been

683
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: being human man, you know you are.

684
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: It's just about doing good.

685
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: If I'm trying to talk to someone who is is

686
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: still kind of in two minds about going forward, and

687
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying these are my ally, I'm a lie, I'm

688
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: allied with these, you know, these people, these gay and

689
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: lesbian people and these you know what great Australian basketball

690
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: and family. Mind you, it's a deep cut. It's a

691
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: deep cut there. Then I'm kind of I'm I feel

692
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: I might be othering myself from this person I need

693
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: to have a conversation with. But if I'm like, I'm

694
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: a human, you're a human, they're a human. You've got

695
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: a favorite You've got a favorite thing to eat for breakfast,

696
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: so do I and so do they. The language we

697
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: use to describe it, there's a problem like this I

698
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: find can be separating.

699
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: That's agree in some ways as well, But I think

700
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: the base thing for me is like we want as

701
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: first nations people, especially around these times. And I guess

702
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 3: like through the ferendum et cetera, was all we were

703
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 3: asking was for recognition, acknowledgment, unity, But I think respect.

704
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: Respect was the first thing. Like respect was like why

705
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: we give each other like common decency and respect daily?

706
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,479
Speaker 3: Like why why is it so hard to like show

707
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: up when you need to? All I shit for me

708
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: is just like people around my life that respect that

709
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: I am a very proud Fast Nations woman and I

710
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: advocate and they support that and they support anything like

711
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: I I do within reason, like everything I do.

712
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: They support me.

713
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 3: With everything, but like you know, they support my opinion.

714
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 3: What's Maddie's answer that that's a quick, good question.

715
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: What does it look like? What it's say, for example,

716
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: we figured this out, yea, we figured this out and

717
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: we all get to party. What is what does the

718
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: party look like? And what is January twenty six look like?

719
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 2: I think when it comes to our community, there's been

720
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: so much consultation around what this should look like. Right,

721
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: So it's like voice, treaty, truth, that was the that

722
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: was the avenue, that was.

723
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 4: The road that we're walking down. Voice didn't happen.

724
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like, Okay, treaty is not the next

725
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 2: step because you can't even get a voice.

726
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 4: So for me, we have to rely on the truth.

727
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 4: As Brookers said, we have.

728
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: To make sure that the curriculums that are being taught

729
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: in schools that there's a focus on truth telling. We

730
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: need to make sure that First Nations people are a

731
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: part of the education system and ensuring that if we're

732
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: going to speak about pre colonial Australia, that there's a

733
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: really deep understanding of young people because that's how things change, right,

734
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, the generations that come after us,

735
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: it's like that's where the change will happen.

736
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 4: So I don't know so.

737
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: Much about you know, continuously trying to fight the good

738
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: fight of changing the minds of people who are so

739
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: ingrained in their ways.

740
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 4: But if we can have.

741
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: A future focus on re establishing, you know, what actually happened,

742
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: the truth of the truth of the matter, and then

743
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,479
Speaker 2: for me, I think that we have a moment where

744
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: we recognize that in the calendar, which is public holiday

745
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: and let's add another public holiday for a celebration and maybe,

746
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: you know, so maybe it is about not just celebrating

747
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: Australia as what we see it as the flag. I

748
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: think we need to celebrate what the country is now

749
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: and it's a multicultural society that flag. Unfortunately, with the

750
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: Union Jack, it does represent a colonial regime and so

751
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: for me, I feel like there needs to be a

752
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 2: re establishment of what that flag represents because it doesn't

753
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: include everyone. I think it's actually very triggering for mob

754
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: to look at the flag triggering. It's triggering for me,

755
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: you know, to see the Australian flag and feel proud

756
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: because of what the Union Jack represents in terms of

757
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: the colonial history of my country. So I feel like

758
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: there needs to be a shift in symbolism as well,

759
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: because it's important. So I don't know, but I would

760
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: love to be able to celebrate with everyone at some

761
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: point in the year, you know, Like I think the

762
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: concert idea is such a great idea in a stadium

763
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: and it's like at the start, it's like First Nations.

764
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 4: Artists, you know, like that we open it.

765
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: It's like a cohort of Baker Boy, Bloody Malboy, you

766
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: know these.

767
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: Ten years yeah, new people. Yeah.

768
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 4: Will you know?

769
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: For me, I would I would love in ten In

770
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: ten years, I would love to be the day that

771
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: we all celebrate together being the day that we now

772
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: marking the calendar is the day we became a Republic.

773
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: And you know, because we get a new flag, we

774
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: get a new constitution, and we get to say, look,

775
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: we all did it. This is fucking great. It's me

776
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: and my Pakithani friend and my Croatian friend and you

777
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: know my mate there from Mudgie and look and kid,

778
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: you just imagine the food like seriously, Yeah, as my

779
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: man Briggs would say, it's like fucking stay away from

780
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: my food. Court man, I don't be messing with my flavors.

781
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: I would really love us to not have to have

782
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: this conversation every year. I would fucking love that. But

783
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: I certainly hope that people can kind of have a

784
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: bit of a think you know about about it. And then,

785
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: as we mentioned before, the magic marriage equality thing, if

786
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: you were a voting age at that time, like yeah,

787
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: really does it really matter to you that much? Yeah?

788
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: Like how much does it affect you? And how how

789
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: how much? More? Like it makes us more human, it

790
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: makes us more compassion, it makes us more together as

791
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: a community to embrace and move forward together. Then to

792
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: just you're that I'm this, Yeah you can't have what

793
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: I want.

794
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: Which means well, yeah, when it's built on respect, unity

795
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: and shared identity in a sense, shared identity. It's our

796
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 3: Australian culture. Like we don't even know what our Australian

797
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 3: culture is, Like modern Australia, what is it? You know?

798
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: We haven't established that, Like, I don't know.

799
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: I I think we do. I think we have where

800
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: where we are. Ay, it just hasn't really been codified.

801
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: I don't think because we are. It's getting less now.

802
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: But for many, many years, we've been kind of ashamed

803
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: to say what we are. When I first moved to it,

804
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: I lived in America for ten years. When I first

805
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: moved there, I would mumble into my hand about what

806
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: I did for my job and be like, what are

807
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: you doing just showing these because I'm trained by my

808
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: upbringing to not talk about something that i'd done that

809
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: was good, you know, and that's shit in our country.

810
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: And I would like it's changing. I think we're starting

811
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: to be a little more not we're embracing, well, we're

812
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: embracing what it means to be. We worked hard, we

813
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: did this thing and it was fucking good. Yeah. I

814
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: haven't got tickets. I'm not buying tickets for myself here.

815
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you what it is and what it was. Yeah,

816
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: And I like that.

817
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 4: I love that too.

818
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: It's a change of attitude, isn't it, Because it's like

819
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: we were speaking about this earlier to all poppies and

820
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: it's so ingrained in the bin. You can because like

821
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: you should give people their flowers.

822
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you know what, they can be poppies, they can,

823
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: but no not if you're traveling because you will get

824
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: picked up at the airport if you have any absolutely

825
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: any poppy on you. What what are some other things

826
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: we can do on January twenty six.

827
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: Well, I'm hosting the Wigalaura Morning Ceremony for the Australian

828
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 2: Government Sick, which is the opening of the day. It's

829
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 2: a it's a ceremony with the Premiere and the Prime

830
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: Minister and the new south West Governor and it's a brangaroo.

831
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: It's a way to pay respects to First Nations culture

832
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: as the day starts. So there's that, and there's also

833
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: the Arbon Festival, which is like a showcase of First

834
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: Nations culture and music and food and dance and art

835
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: in Sydney.

836
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 4: That's in Sydney.

837
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: So I think try and get a little like just

838
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: have a glimpse into our people, have a glimpse into

839
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: our culture on that and see if you can learn something, because.

840
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: I feel like we're just as a nation, like, oh,

841
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 3: I mean as First Nations people, we're just we're so beautiful,

842
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: Like we have such a beautiful culture and community, and

843
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 3: we're very loving, and I think like people just kind

844
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: of categorize and box us. And I feel like, don't judge.

845
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 3: If you lead with curiosity and not with judgment, you

846
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: open yourself up with so much more to the world.

847
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: And I feel like that's what's happened a lot for

848
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: First Nations people. We're led with judgment first. And I think,

849
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: you know, just get curious this time of year, and

850
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 3: you know, commit to reconciliation beyond something that's symbolic. I think,

851
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 3: you know, we know that the voice has had an impact,

852
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: but it doesn't mean that we stop it from now,

853
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 3: and we don't, you know, we continue to walk through

854
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: our with our First Nations people and not not give up.

855
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 3: So that's my thing. But I feel like I will

856
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: just be at home with my dog May myself.

857
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: It's been a lovely to have you both. Thank you

858
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: so much. I would also love to say Brook, just

859
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm so grateful that you came into my life.

860
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: And I'm also very grateful that you brought doctor Amy

861
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: Thunig into.

862
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 3: My life, because how amazing is she.

863
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: Yea with thirteen words, doctor Amythunig did four first Nations Australia.

864
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: It's you know, concept concept in the minds of many

865
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: people in primetime television what otherwise had never ever been done.

866
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Speaker 1: She simply said, if I asked you what country you

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Speaker 1: lived on right now, could you tell me? And two

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Speaker 1: people went, actually, no, I don't know. And my neighbor

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Speaker 1: the next day said to me, that was a really

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Speaker 1: interesting question. I don't even and I'm and she's like,

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Speaker 1: and I fucking you know, vote yes and all that shit,

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Speaker 1: like what and I've like that to me was just

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Speaker 1: the most beautiful little moment because there's no judgment in that.

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Speaker 1: She was like, do you know what it is? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's okay if you don't, what did you

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Speaker 1: find out? Yes, I would say that on January twenty sixth,

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Speaker 1: maybe just find out and the milution find out are

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Speaker 1: you on the tourable side of the river or on

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Speaker 1: the other side up in Brazil? Like which side of

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Speaker 1: the who's the mom? Yeah? See what's going on there? Look,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate what it means for you to come

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Speaker 1: in and have some conversation with us today, and I

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Speaker 1: hope it's given people something to think about for what

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Speaker 1: happens in a couple of days from now. And I'll

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Speaker 1: see you at the party in ten years. I'd like

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Speaker 1: to see him before that.

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Speaker 4: You twill be co hosting and I'll be drunk in

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Speaker 4: the audience.

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Speaker 1: I can talk to you. I can talk to you

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Speaker 1: about that. I was once told that there's guy Maddie

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Speaker 1: Mills about, you know, drinking at concerts. But I'll let

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Speaker 1: you know about that.

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Speaker 3: You guys hilarious. I look forward to where we're out

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Speaker 3: in ten years. Maybe I've gotten taller, who knows, or

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Speaker 3: a little bit wiser, but maybe maybe a little bit

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Speaker 3: louder maybe who knows.

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Speaker 1: That was Maddie Mills and Brooklyott. And make sure you

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Speaker 1: check out their podcast. It is fabulous. It's called First

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Speaker 1: Things First. I put a link in the show notes

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Speaker 1: for you. There you'll losto final link for the substack

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Speaker 1: and tickets for the live shows. There could still be

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Speaker 1: some left. There could still be some left. The Story

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Speaker 1: Club shows are coming up in February, March, and I'd

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Speaker 1: love you to be there. Thanks so much for everybody

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Speaker 1: that made the show with me today. Thanks to Adam,

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Speaker 1: who's in the corner here producing things. It's lovely. I

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Speaker 1: haven't had a producer in the room with me ever.

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Speaker 1: That is delightful. Thanks for listening. I'll see you Monday.