Speaker 1: Why On Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2: This is Denika to Georgio.
Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Coming up tonight, the coalition reunites as Susan Lee remains
Speaker 4: defiant on her leadership, fresh off from her offer to
Speaker 4: form a coalition. One Nation leader Pauline Hansen will join
Speaker 4: me shortly. Jim Chalmers all at sea as he struggles
Speaker 4: to explain why he's spending so much of your money?
Speaker 3: How much longer can he seriously keep up the facade?
Speaker 4: And a man accused of domestic violence against his partner
Speaker 4: is moved to a female prison in Perth because he've
Speaker 4: changed his sex on his birth.
Speaker 3: Certificate and it's legal to do so.
Speaker 4: Sal Grover, who was at the center of Australia's What
Speaker 4: is a Woman case, is fired up and coming up soon,
Speaker 4: but first tonight.
Speaker 3: The coalition is back together. About time.
Speaker 4: The two leaders say they have resolved their differences. But
Speaker 4: have they Because watching the joint press conference between Susan
Speaker 4: Lee and David the Proud, they didn't seem to be.
Speaker 3: Much love lost.
Speaker 4: Have a look at the body language, didn't look like
Speaker 4: there were a lot of smiles there. They both look
Speaker 4: like they would rather be anywhere, but standing side by
Speaker 4: side like a divorced couple who hate each other have
Speaker 4: signed the paperwork but pretend to like each other for
Speaker 4: the sake of the kids.
Speaker 3: Look, I don't know. Does this sound convincing to you?
Speaker 5: But the coalition is back together and looking to the future,
Speaker 5: not the past. We're squarely focused on representing the Australian people.
Speaker 5: I trust David and I value and respect the National
Speaker 5: Party as.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be standing here today if I didn't trust
Speaker 6: Susan Lene, I didn't trust the Liberal Party.
Speaker 4: Does that sound like a rallying call of reunification? Does
Speaker 4: it give reassurance to Conservative voters? Maybe I'm too harsh,
Speaker 4: but to me it was a united front, but not
Speaker 4: a united front. But they assure us now that they
Speaker 4: are on the same page despite two breakups in twelve months.
Speaker 3: Time will tell.
Speaker 4: Now Susan Lee accepted a counter offer from the National
Speaker 4: Party that will see all National shadow ministers suspended until
Speaker 4: March one.
Speaker 3: It would appear the opposition leader.
Speaker 4: Has actually backed down on her original demand that the
Speaker 4: three Nationals who broke shadow cabinet solidarity over the hate
Speaker 4: speech laws be suspended until July. Now there's no doubt
Speaker 4: the coalition is better together.
Speaker 3: They need each other to govern.
Speaker 4: This is good news, but can they get past the
Speaker 4: reported screaming matches, not taking calls, and even Little Proud
Speaker 4: reportedly saying he can't be part of the shadow ministry
Speaker 4: under Susan Lee.
Speaker 5: Lots of people have said lots of things, and some
Speaker 5: have been attributed to people who are not named, and
Speaker 5: some have been the point is that we did have differences,
Speaker 5: David and I in our party rooms. We've resolved those
Speaker 5: differences did look.
Speaker 6: Dugly, but we've had the courage to come back and
Speaker 6: say we're going to make sure it never happens again.
Speaker 6: That's leadership, that's courage.
Speaker 4: And that's good because the coalition was the butt of
Speaker 4: all jokes by Labor in question time this week, and
Speaker 4: let's hope now the focus actually gets back to Labor.
Speaker 4: But it's got me wondering, how convinced are you that,
Speaker 4: even with reunification, that it's going to make any difference.
Speaker 4: The polls suggests they are bleeding voters to one nation.
Speaker 4: Conservative voters have switched off. They're done, and it seems
Speaker 4: to me the coalition are in there. Will they won't
Speaker 4: they error? Will they or won't they present something concrete?
Speaker 4: Will they or won't they present something solid? Will they
Speaker 4: or won't they survive as a coalition? Will they or
Speaker 4: won't they come up with policy positions? I mean they've
Speaker 4: split up twice, first on energy, then of course on
Speaker 4: the hate speech laws. Conservatism has gone off a cliff
Speaker 4: and at the same time, in the Liberals, will they
Speaker 4: or won't they decide on a new leader? See Liberal
Speaker 4: MP Angus Taylor has reportedly got enough support in the
Speaker 4: party room to depose Susan Lee. However, his back is
Speaker 4: remain uncertain about the timing and whether they can secure
Speaker 4: the procedural support needed to force a spell motion, and
Speaker 4: Angus Taylor was remaining coy when asked about it on Friday.
Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty's ruled himself out of any potential leadership spill.
Speaker 3: He's come out and made that very clear.
Speaker 2: Why haven't you Well, I'm not going to say to
Speaker 2: you and your listeners that I don't have and haven't
Speaker 2: had leadership ambitions. I clearly have had, you know, That's
Speaker 2: why I ran for the leadership last time around, and
Speaker 2: meeting in our party room do and I think ambition
Speaker 2: is a good thing. But most of all, what we
Speaker 2: all want is a better Liberal Party and a better
Speaker 2: coalition and we need that fast. And if we don't
Speaker 2: deliver that, Australians will continue to look elsewhere and that's
Speaker 2: simply not good enough.
Speaker 4: Susan Lee remains confident she has the support.
Speaker 5: I am very confident of the overwhelming support of my
Speaker 5: party room. They elected me nine months ago to lead.
Speaker 5: I said then I was up for the job. I'm
Speaker 5: up for the job.
Speaker 4: Now how long is this going to drag on?
Speaker 7: For?
Speaker 4: Andrew Clenell was reporting on Sky News this morning that
Speaker 4: some MPs from the Moderate faction believe Miss Lee should
Speaker 4: be given more time, potentially even a budget reply speech,
Speaker 4: to see whether she can stabilize the party.
Speaker 3: And I've got to be honest.
Speaker 4: The will they won't they era is so tiresome and
Speaker 4: so boring. And I'm about to speak to the woman
Speaker 4: who is now the most favorable politician in the country,
Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson, who's capitalized on it, and it's got the Liberals,
Speaker 4: Nationals and labor worried.
Speaker 5: You know, One Nation is broadly a party of protests,
Speaker 5: very good at identifying problems. We often hear the conversation
Speaker 5: from them about the problems, not so good at identifying
Speaker 5: what the solutions are.
Speaker 6: Well, how serious is Pauline Hanson? She seems to be
Speaker 6: only coming after National and Liberal Party seats. If the
Speaker 6: enemy is Anthony Alberanezia, she articulates, She's not really serious
Speaker 6: is she?
Speaker 3: Is there a single issue party?
Speaker 4: I have no idea how they would vote in relation
Speaker 4: to important things like taxes, in relation to.
Speaker 8: Absolutely turned my stomach to see that One Nation, which
Speaker 8: was quite rightly a prior of you know, politics. Paul
Speaker 8: En Hansson's made a career out of sewing division and
Speaker 8: distrust and hatred between Australians, openly mocking people's most important
Speaker 8: spiritual beliefs, and yet here she is being regarded as
Speaker 8: a mainstream political force.
Speaker 4: Look, that's just a load of nonsense. The formula One
Speaker 4: Nation has offered up is pretty simple. The party brings
Speaker 4: conservative and strong policies to the table without fear, like
Speaker 4: cutting mass migration. Where is the Liberal Party policy? I
Speaker 4: mean there are some Liberals like Senator Andrew Mlaglaughlin who
Speaker 4: are even too scared to say it, claiming the phrase
Speaker 4: mass migration is inflammatory and irresponsible. Then you've got some
Speaker 4: moderates wanting to align themselves with the Teals to make
Speaker 4: a new center right movement drag the party more to
Speaker 4: the left terrific, I mean at every opportunity, moderates have
Speaker 4: warned the party against becoming one nation light as if
Speaker 4: that's offensive when one nation is more popular than both
Speaker 4: the Liberals and Nationals.
Speaker 3: And the Liberals are meant to be.
Speaker 4: The party of free speech but backed in Labour's hate
Speaker 4: speech laws. So what do they stand for and what
Speaker 4: is in it for Conservative voters?
Speaker 3: Will they or won't they decide on a new leader?
Speaker 4: And will they or won't they be able to work
Speaker 4: cohesively with the Nationals. But here is the key question.
Speaker 4: Does that even matter anymore? Or is it too late?
Speaker 4: There is a blueprint over in the UK and Australia
Speaker 4: is following it.
Speaker 3: The Tories and Labor wrote off.
Speaker 4: Nigel Farage and Reform UK, and now he no longer
Speaker 4: leads a protest party, but one which could genuinely form government,
Speaker 4: and by all accounts he could very well be their
Speaker 4: next Prime minister. Why because voters know what he stands for,
Speaker 4: cutting mass migration, stopping the votes, making Britain British again.
Speaker 4: His policy has not changed since day one, and neither
Speaker 4: has Pauline Hanson's Australia has changed. The will they won't they?
Speaker 4: Modern day conservatives just haven't caught up.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: It seems you can only qualify these days to become
Speaker 4: a teacher if you have a PhD in activism to
Speaker 4: go with it.
Speaker 3: The cultural left have well.
Speaker 4: And truly taken over classrooms across the country. We've had
Speaker 4: teachers pushing a pro Palestine agenda in schools. There's been
Speaker 4: an unofficial teaching guide explaining how to wear Palestinian stickers
Speaker 4: and CAFs in class, and even suggestions on how to
Speaker 4: weave anti Israel rhetoric into subjects. Over in Victoria, children
Speaker 4: as young as five are being told their body parts
Speaker 4: may not match their gender. Now, Mom and Dad don't
Speaker 4: drop little Johnny or little Jane off in the morning,
Speaker 4: only for their kids to come back waving the Aboriginal
Speaker 4: LGBTIQ plus and Palestine flags, asking if they were born
Speaker 4: with the wrong body parts, saying sorry to the stolen generation,
Speaker 4: marching to the beat of always was, always will be
Speaker 4: Aboriginal land and from the river to the sea. And
Speaker 4: then we'll add the climate armagedon onto that as well.
Speaker 4: Why don't we have I missed anything there? Well, if
Speaker 4: you ask Chris Breen from teachers and school staff for Palestine,
Speaker 4: it's all perfectly normal stuff.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's a view I think that comes across
Speaker 7: that politics should be kept out of the classroom, that
Speaker 7: teachers are brainwashing students, and I think this is just far.
Speaker 2: From the truth.
Speaker 7: If that was the case, you know, we would get
Speaker 7: students to sit down and not talk over us, and
Speaker 7: not take each other's pencil cases and everything else.
Speaker 3: Look.
Speaker 4: I don't know what he's talking about, and clearly neither
Speaker 4: does he. But if that is a standard, God help
Speaker 4: our kids. And now The Herald's son has exposed online
Speaker 4: chat forums where teachers around Australia are debating.
Speaker 3: What is culturally appropriate in the classroom.
Speaker 4: Never mind basic maths, science and English, never mind exchanging
Speaker 4: ideas on how to improve educational outcomes for kids. They're
Speaker 4: actually asking one another whether they should bring their politics
Speaker 4: into school?
Speaker 3: Can you believe it?
Speaker 4: In one exchange, a Queensland teacher asked whether it was
Speaker 4: political or not to wear a T shirt to class
Speaker 4: with the message we honor and respect to Aboriginal and
Speaker 4: torrestrate Islander people as the traditional custodians of country.
Speaker 3: One teacher replied, saying.
Speaker 4: That they wear there, always was, always will be shirt
Speaker 4: almost weekly. Where on earth is a professionalism, let alone
Speaker 4: a guideline from schools on a dress code. In Victoria,
Speaker 4: a teacher issued an online apology in one of the
Speaker 4: forums to anyone I insulted or who thought I was
Speaker 4: being racist after their post questioned whether acknowledgment of country
Speaker 4: had to be held daily. Teachers actually got so enraged
Speaker 4: at the fact she questioned if it was a daily
Speaker 4: practice that they called a fellow teacher racist. The apology
Speaker 4: received supportive comments, including one thanking them for being introspective
Speaker 4: and directing them to culturally safe environments. Guidance from the
Speaker 4: Victorian Department of Education. Well, I mean, when you're under
Speaker 4: a state with a treaty that nobody ever voted for,
Speaker 4: what do you expect. A teacher from WA asked fellow
Speaker 4: teachers about whether they had a nice welcome to country
Speaker 4: sign for their classroom and on whether they think that's indoctrination.
Speaker 4: Acknowledging and celebrating indigenous Australian culture in schools is not indoctrination.
Speaker 4: And even posted an image of a Dictionary definition.
Speaker 3: Of just that. Well, I did a little google myself
Speaker 3: at the very definition.
Speaker 4: According to the Cambridge Dictionary, indoctrination is the process of
Speaker 4: repeating an idea or belief to someone until they accept
Speaker 4: it without criticism or question. Imposing your views on children
Speaker 4: is indoctrination. And what right do these so called educators
Speaker 4: have to be imposing them in the first place. It's
Speaker 4: just so easy for these activists, and that's what they are,
Speaker 4: to impose their views because kids are in pressionable. You
Speaker 4: tell them one thing, they believe it, they take it.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're kids, for goodness sake. They're not at
Speaker 4: an age where they can form their own critical views,
Speaker 4: and why should they be.
Speaker 3: Let kids be kids and let parents do the parenting.
Speaker 4: Teaching is one of the most important and I would
Speaker 4: say rewarding professions in the world. You get to equip
Speaker 4: children and teenagers with critical learning skills, and when it
Speaker 4: starts at school, these kids will one day carry it
Speaker 4: into the workforce. And that is all we need. Another
Speaker 4: generation of new age, woke adults. We've clearly got enough already.
Speaker 4: Joinning me now is one nation leader. Senator Pauline Hanson, Senator.
Speaker 4: Good to have you on the show. Thank you so
Speaker 4: much for your time. Let's start with the coalition. They're
Speaker 4: back together though, as I said earlier, you could really
Speaker 4: cut the tension with a knife in that joint press
Speaker 4: conference today. What's your reaction to that and do you
Speaker 4: maintain that you'd still want to form a coalition.
Speaker 9: Look, when I spoke about forming a coalition, Janika, it
Speaker 9: was about if they were short in numbers to form government,
Speaker 9: I would say, right, I'd give you confidence and I'd
Speaker 9: give you a supply. I don't want to be part
Speaker 9: of their cabinet all because what an absolute mess that is.
Speaker 9: I don't want to be part of that. I don't
Speaker 9: want to be dragged along to support their policies, which
Speaker 9: most of the time I think there are shambles, and
Speaker 9: I don't think they have some sound policies to get
Speaker 9: the country out of the mess. But I think that
Speaker 9: working with them, so if they don't require the vote
Speaker 9: of one nation, we would look at their legislation. Look,
Speaker 9: den Nekro, I'll work with anyone if I think it's
Speaker 9: the best interest for the country and for the people.
Speaker 9: But they need to get their act together. Do I
Speaker 9: think Susan Lee is going to last the distance? No,
Speaker 9: I don't have I got faith in Angus Tailor.
Speaker 3: No I don't.
Speaker 9: Andrew Hasey, No I don't. They are lacking a lot
Speaker 9: because they've been taken over by the moderates. The moderates
Speaker 9: keep dragging them to the left. That's why One Nation
Speaker 9: is the only conservative party to actually get them back
Speaker 9: on track, to get this country back in the hands
Speaker 9: of the people.
Speaker 4: Well, and as I said earlier, you know this idea
Speaker 4: that they could align themselves with the teals. They don't
Speaker 4: like the word mass migration. I mean, you know, no
Speaker 4: wonder they're in the situation that they are net zero
Speaker 4: and net zero exactly absolutely and everything making zero am yes,
Speaker 4: exactly thing yeah, and basic things like what is the
Speaker 4: difference between a man and a woman?
Speaker 3: You know, just simple, simple policies.
Speaker 4: But your proposition has really got the Libs and Nats
Speaker 4: on edge. Here's a reminder of some of it today.
Speaker 3: Have a look.
Speaker 5: They often hear the conversation from them about the problems,
Speaker 5: not so good at identifying what the solutions are.
Speaker 6: Well, how serious is Pauline Hanson? She seems to be
Speaker 6: only coming after National and Liberal Party seats.
Speaker 4: Maybe to an extent that's true. I mean, there's no
Speaker 4: doubt you're looking at those seats. But how do you
Speaker 4: read this, because if the polls are right, you're doing
Speaker 4: something correct.
Speaker 3: I mentioned reform earlier.
Speaker 4: Faraja's taking it from a protest party to one which
Speaker 4: could genuinely form government.
Speaker 3: But how do you do that?
Speaker 9: All right, Denika? What I'm saying is I believe we
Speaker 9: need to get rid of the Labor Greens. They are
Speaker 9: toxic for this country.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 9: If I have to work with the coalish inside to
Speaker 9: get the hand with the government out of the hands
Speaker 9: of Labor Greens and the tills, I will do that.
Speaker 9: There's no problem about that. I'm not just targeting coalitions
Speaker 9: and seats. I will be standing candidates across one hundred
Speaker 9: and fifty seats plus the Senate, and therefore I am
Speaker 9: attracting those labor voters as well. So I'm pulled up constantly.
Speaker 9: People say I was staunch labor voter.
Speaker 11: No more.
Speaker 9: I'm fed up with the Labor Party or even the Greens.
Speaker 9: Some people said I voted Greens. I'm not following the
Speaker 9: Greens anymore. So people are slightly waking up to what
Speaker 9: one nation stands for and looking at our policies as
Speaker 9: far as the policy is and saying that we don't
Speaker 9: have policies. I'm always complaining, Well, the Coalition picked up
Speaker 9: my policy about the fuel excise tax. Morrison did it
Speaker 9: for six months and I forced him to do that.
Speaker 9: Plus also in the last election they picked up about
Speaker 9: fuel excise tax. The superannuation scheme using the money for
Speaker 9: your home loans, that was one nation policy before the
Speaker 9: Limbs came out with it. So even the foreign investment,
Speaker 9: ownership of homes in Australia by foreign investments, that's another
Speaker 9: one nation policy picked up by the Labor and also
Speaker 9: the Coalition. So they say I haven't got policies when
Speaker 9: they're constantly picking up my policies and the ideas is ridiculous.
Speaker 9: And I'll put this point in when I had the
Speaker 9: shared balance of power under Turnbull and Morrison, the minister
Speaker 9: in the coalition Liberal said to me, Pauline, we've got
Speaker 9: good policies, but working with you has improved our policies
Speaker 9: because you've actually have helped us improve our legislation. Now
Speaker 9: that came from Minster. So they're not they do want
Speaker 9: to work with me because I know Dan well. We
Speaker 9: are beneficial to them because we research, we've got good policies,
Speaker 9: we're in line with the Australian people.
Speaker 4: Look, it's going to be interesting to see how it
Speaker 4: plays out, especially given that commentary by them today. Now
Speaker 4: I've got to say, you return quite emphatically to the
Speaker 4: Senate this week after that the burker ban you entered,
Speaker 4: you took about, you gave your fellow colleagues a wave.
Speaker 4: I think we've got that vision, will bring it up.
Speaker 4: But there you are entering the Senate there. I mean,
Speaker 4: I wonder how happy they would have they were to
Speaker 4: have you back Senator.
Speaker 3: But I mean, whole lot has changed.
Speaker 4: I've got to say since you were suspended, hasn't it.
Speaker 4: There's been BONDI, the gun laws, the hate speech laws.
Speaker 3: It's a very very different set of circumstances. It has.
Speaker 9: What's happened since I was banned in the late November
Speaker 9: I think it was twenty fifth and November to what
Speaker 9: it is today, so much has happened, and I was
Speaker 9: really upset that I couldn't be on the floor Parliament.
Speaker 9: I asked Alban Easy to actually take the ban off,
Speaker 9: so I could be on the floor in Parliament to
Speaker 9: discuss it. No word whatsoever, that's up to the Senate. Well,
Speaker 9: he didn't tell Penny Wong. Penny Wong could have actually
Speaker 9: said okay, we'll lay her back in, but they didn't. Janika,
Speaker 9: we need that strong voice in the Senate, and they
Speaker 9: cut down debate on that hate speech laws. Nats followed
Speaker 9: our lead with it and not supporting the hate speech laws.
Speaker 9: So we actually brought up a lot of the issues
Speaker 9: in that legislation. They weren't aware of, either of the Libs.
Speaker 9: So we actually led the way again with the hate
Speaker 9: speech laws.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean, now, look what's happened with the
Speaker 4: hate speech laws.
Speaker 3: The coalition split because of.
Speaker 4: It, and you know they are back together today, but
Speaker 4: it's a very very different face of the Parliament this year.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you about just into Nampa jimber Price,
Speaker 4: the Liberal senator. She's ruled out a switch to One Nation,
Speaker 4: even though she told the Daily Telegraph today that she
Speaker 4: had been sidelined by the Liberals. Had you been actively
Speaker 4: pursuing her, Are you disappointed that she wouldn't make the switch.
Speaker 9: No, I haven't spoken to her personally about coming across
Speaker 9: at all prior to the last election. Before prior to
Speaker 9: her being a senator, I did ask her if she
Speaker 9: would stand for One Nation. At the time she didn't
Speaker 9: respond to me. But then it was very shortly after
Speaker 9: that that he joined up with the Nats for the
Speaker 9: Northern Territory. So she's going to find it difficult with
Speaker 9: the next election because now she switched to the Liberal Party.
Speaker 9: She's up for reelection the next selection next time. So
Speaker 9: where are they going to put her. I don't know.
Speaker 9: No Liberal senator is going to move aside for her
Speaker 9: to run in their seat, and I'll have to find
Speaker 9: her a safe Lower House seat if they want to
Speaker 9: keep her on. She's going to be in dire strait,
Speaker 9: so I think she will struggle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
Speaker 4: We're almost out of time, but.
Speaker 3: I've got to ask you about this. Let's talk about
Speaker 3: Abdul Rivesey.
Speaker 4: He's the former Deputy Secretary of the Department of Immigration.
Speaker 4: He's launched this attack on you on social media, saying, quote,
Speaker 4: Pauline left school at fifteen without completing high school. He
Speaker 4: was responding to comments that you made about skilled and
Speaker 4: non skilled migrants. When I saw this senator, but I thought,
Speaker 4: here we go. I mean, this is the man that
Speaker 4: once headed up our migration program. I'd also make mention
Speaker 4: that Paul Keating left school at fourteen and became Prime minister.
Speaker 3: What's your response to this.
Speaker 9: Well, when I went to school, fifteen was a normal
Speaker 9: age to leave, and it was only a few years
Speaker 9: prior to that year. Let's go at thirteen. Well, I
Speaker 9: topped my grades and year nine I got number one
Speaker 9: top of the grade out of fifty four students. I've
Speaker 9: gone on to lead my own political part ever, I
Speaker 9: own small businesses most of my life and I've actually,
Speaker 9: you know, led a team that got people elected to parliament.
Speaker 9: So he wants to have a go at me. He's
Speaker 9: having to go at every other person out there around
Speaker 9: my age. Let's go at that age. And when we
Speaker 9: grew up sixties and seventies, we had the most productivity
Speaker 9: in the country. We actually knew what how to write,
Speaker 9: how to read, how to set string a sentence together,
Speaker 9: and we could actually do our sons without a calculator.
Speaker 9: So I think, you know, these days, so I think
Speaker 9: they're failing their educational system. So anyway, he's having to
Speaker 9: go everyone around my age.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and exactly. I mean, so what if you left
Speaker 4: school at a certain age? As you said, there are
Speaker 4: people out there with great success stories.
Speaker 3: It's actually an attack.
Speaker 4: On so many people. Extraordinary. Pauline Hanson. Always great to
Speaker 4: have you on the show. Thank you so much for
Speaker 4: joining me. Really appreciate it. Well, let's bring in my
Speaker 4: panel now for more analysis. Joinning me is former New
Speaker 4: South Wales Police Minister David Elliott and New South Wales
Speaker 4: Independent MP Tanya Mahala. Kind of both of you. A
Speaker 4: very busy day, a busy week. Again, here we go again.
Speaker 3: We're going to start with the coalition once again.
Speaker 4: It does get to a little bit repetitive after a while,
Speaker 4: but they make it all about themselves.
Speaker 3: But they're back together, aren't they.
Speaker 12: Well, it reminds me this week is Valentine's State. Reminded
Speaker 12: me of Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor. But I have
Speaker 12: to hasten to add they ended up getting divorced again
Speaker 12: and one of them became an alcoholic.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean probably had it done this way. We
Speaker 3: don't know how it's going to work, listen. I mean
Speaker 3: they did look awkward.
Speaker 12: Unfortunately, it's just going to feed the vote into one nation,
Speaker 12: I think, because it'll be it'll spook conservatives. Conservatives are
Speaker 12: by virtue of their political ideology conservative and they don't
Speaker 12: like to see change, they don't like to see a
Speaker 12: necessary change, and they're probably going to look at Pauline
Speaker 12: Hanson as somebody that's been around for a long time.
Speaker 12: She's seen as the senior Conservative. So we really, my mom,
Speaker 12: have to really work. And it's taken a distraction away
Speaker 12: from the attack on the Labor Party because we've got
Speaker 12: a prime Minister who thinks that we're silly and will
Speaker 12: flip on a royal commission. But they've got a defensive
Speaker 12: minister that wants to sell Victoria Barracks. We've got a
Speaker 12: we've got a Treasurer who doesn't understand that the inflation
Speaker 12: is caused by a noted supply of money.
Speaker 10: There's a lot to attack on it.
Speaker 12: This is an issued rich environment, but we're not we're
Speaker 12: talking about whether or not we're going to be engaged again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. The will they won't they coalition? We don't know?
Speaker 3: And will they won't they Liberal Party? Are they going
Speaker 3: to look to to topple Susan Lee. We don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, you called it two weeks ago, didn't you
Speaker 3: that it wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Be Andrew Hasty. You were very confident that it was
Speaker 4: going to be Angus Taylor.
Speaker 3: But he hasn't made a move yet.
Speaker 10: No, and I think look a lot of that. Can
Speaker 10: I just start by saying, that was a very uncomfortable
Speaker 10: press conference between Yeah, David little Proud, and it just
Speaker 10: reminded me of two kids in a naughty corner. They
Speaker 10: had a fight, you know, in the sand pit in
Speaker 10: the back, so I think they were forced in that.
Speaker 10: I think that was terrible. Wherever the pr people are,
Speaker 10: they should have had them out and about maybe chatting
Speaker 10: with ordinary hunters out there and smiling and being friendly.
Speaker 10: This looked very stage and very painful. So to me,
Speaker 10: they're virtually finished. I think both of them are finished,
Speaker 10: if you want my view. Yes, two weeks ago I
Speaker 10: called that Andrew Hasty you wouldn't run. I didn't think
Speaker 10: that he was quite ready. I'm not ruling him out
Speaker 10: for the future, but I think Angles Taylor is the
Speaker 10: answer for the liber Party right now. I think the
Speaker 10: problem the Liver Party has is and what Angus has
Speaker 10: is that you actually need people within the caucus to
Speaker 10: start that process. He can't turn up and say to Susan,
Speaker 10: you've got to go. You know, I've sent enough leadership spills.
Speaker 10: So it's David to know that you need people within
Speaker 10: the shadow cabinet to start resigning from positions, lead people
Speaker 10: within the caucus demanding change and actually holding press conference
Speaker 10: and saying that they're not happy. And there's absolute silence
Speaker 10: right now from the Little Party. Nobody is actually saying,
Speaker 10: one way or another what they want, and they're ignoring
Speaker 10: these horrific polls that clearly are starting to resonate that
Speaker 10: there are people now moving away from the coalition and
Speaker 10: voting findation that's clear, and you have a disaster unfolding
Speaker 10: where I think for Angus, he's in a very difficult
Speaker 10: position where he needs people within the leadership around Susan
Speaker 10: lay within the shadow cabinet to step up and say
Speaker 10: that they need change.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And look, the longer this goes on, though, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just such a bad look. And as I said,
Speaker 4: it's like conservatism in this country has gone off a cliff.
Speaker 3: It's a really, really sad site. Let's talk about Jim Chalmers.
Speaker 4: He's repeatedly dodged questions about the contribution of growing government
Speaker 4: spending to inflation.
Speaker 3: Here he was this morning.
Speaker 13: You said government spending was not a factor in the decision.
Speaker 3: Was it a factor?
Speaker 14: Well, David, our political opponents and their acolytes deliberately, dishonestly
Speaker 14: trying to conflate two different things.
Speaker 13: Public demand, government spending was still increasing, wasn't it in
Speaker 13: the second half of last year.
Speaker 14: Public demand growth last year was slowing. It was less
Speaker 14: than a third of what it was the.
Speaker 13: Year public growth, but public spending. Government spending was growing well.
Speaker 14: In both of our budget updates. David, we actually improved
Speaker 14: the budget.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how many more warnings the Treasurer needs, David,
Speaker 4: It's quite simple.
Speaker 3: Spending inflation. It correlates one with each other.
Speaker 12: Any year nine commerce student knows that spending by an
Speaker 12: entity like the government is going to force inflation the
Speaker 12: onto working families. And one minute he's boasting about how
Speaker 12: much money he's spending in ndis and other parts of
Speaker 12: the economy, and the next minute he's saying, oh, well,
Speaker 12: you know, we're a fiscally responsible government and spending isn't
Speaker 12: causing inflation. Meanwhile, he's reserved bank he's Reserve Bank governor.
Speaker 12: He's saying, listen, you know your government spending is a
Speaker 12: little bit up there. Ironically, of course, this is the
Speaker 12: same Reserve Bank governor who's spending one point two billion
Speaker 12: dollars in upgrading her office in Martin Place, which is
Speaker 12: check which was originally which was originally budgeted for two
Speaker 12: hundred and sixty million, so that she's had a cracker
Speaker 12: of a blow and anybody who's built her house knows
Speaker 12: that you can probably double it. But she's quadrublet and
Speaker 12: some so yeah, it is a miss. But I think
Speaker 12: Jim Charmers, if he's going to remain maintain the respect
Speaker 12: of the people of Australia, he's going to start telling
Speaker 12: the truth. And the reality is government spending is out
Speaker 12: of control. It's causing inflation. It ain't me causing inflation. No,
Speaker 12: the grocery build that's coming out of my house, no,
Speaker 12: a neighbor's house. It is government spending.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Plus all of course, all the energy subsidies have
Speaker 3: now come to an end, and we knew that it
Speaker 3: was going to be a band aid solution.
Speaker 4: Tanya that want those end. It's going to have an
Speaker 4: impact on inflation. I'm not sure how Jim keep treating
Speaker 4: us all like mugs.
Speaker 10: Seriously, Well, that's actually a good way to put it. Look,
Speaker 10: I think that it's very clear that Jim Chalmers is
Speaker 10: finally coming to the realization this week that no one's
Speaker 10: going to protect his position on this. I think the
Speaker 10: Governor has been pretty diplomatic until this week, finally kind
Speaker 10: of making it very clear that public spending is a
Speaker 10: huge issue. You've got a Treasurer who wants to be liked.
Speaker 10: That's part of the problem here. He has not rained
Speaker 10: in those big bureaucracies around Canberra at all. Arba is
Speaker 10: a good example, but there's plenty of other bureaucracies out
Speaker 10: there that are spending way too much. The treasurers need
Speaker 10: to be feared and revered by the larger public service.
Speaker 10: You are controlling the economic leavers. There's no question of that.
Speaker 10: Particularly in a small economy like Australia. You cannot state
Speaker 10: the Treasurer can't say that what they're doing every day
Speaker 10: within the quantifides of Parliament isn't making a big impact
Speaker 10: on our economy. It is all economists are saying. We've
Speaker 10: been saying it here for months on Sky News as well,
Speaker 10: that public spending is out of control, there's no question
Speaker 10: of that. And we're going to This is not going
Speaker 10: to be the first interest rate hike that we're going
Speaker 10: to see. We're going to see more this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the RBA said they want, but there will
Speaker 3: be more to come.
Speaker 10: They've got no choice when it comes to managing montre
Speaker 10: policy in Australia because you've got a treasurer.
Speaker 4: That's just wipe his hands exactly absolutely and keeps, you know,
Speaker 4: ducking and weaving at the very suggestion.
Speaker 3: Look, it's going to be a big week in New
Speaker 3: South Wales.
Speaker 4: Are the governments invoked additional major events powers ahead of
Speaker 4: the Israeli President's visit tomorrow as protesters aim for a
Speaker 4: huge mobilization chrismins. The Premier has announced that the change
Speaker 4: would grant police additional powers to disperse crowds around Sydney
Speaker 4: and David, I mean the protesters at the pro Palestine
Speaker 4: movement that they're gearing up already, they're ready for this.
Speaker 3: How big of an operation is this going today?
Speaker 12: Well, this will probably be one of the biggest police
Speaker 12: operations we've seen for a visiting a head of government.
Speaker 12: And let's face it, Chrismins has done the right thing,
Speaker 12: as as has the police Commission of male Lanion, because
Speaker 12: we do know that the pro Palestine mob can get
Speaker 12: pretty great. Yeah, you don't see a pro Israeli groups
Speaker 12: going out and behaving the way that we see with
Speaker 12: the Propriate City. And so the police will be undercover,
Speaker 12: they'll have obviously, they'll be relying on a lot of intelligence.
Speaker 12: They will have obviously a high profile operation of deterrence
Speaker 12: as well as anything else. And I think it's appropriate.
Speaker 12: I'm delighted the Prime Minister invited the Prime Minister of Israel.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I agree.
Speaker 12: It was the most appropriate thing that he could have
Speaker 12: done under the circumstances. So now it's up to unfortunately
Speaker 12: Chrismans and male Lanion have to make sure that he's
Speaker 12: safe and welcome.
Speaker 4: I completely agree, and I agree with Anthony Abernezy. He
Speaker 4: did the right thing in inviting him, and I think
Speaker 4: it's important that he does go down to Bondi, despite
Speaker 4: the Pro Palestine brigade saying they no is she shouldn't
Speaker 4: be there. Tanya, I've going to ask you about this
Speaker 4: classroom indoctrination. I just spoke about it there at the
Speaker 4: start of the show where teachers are in an online
Speaker 4: forum deciding whether or not they should bring their politics
Speaker 4: into the classroom. I can't even believe that that is
Speaker 4: a topic of discussion, and quite frankly and always was
Speaker 4: always will T shirt in the classroom to me is
Speaker 4: absolutely appalling.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be bringing your politics. What do you think.
Speaker 10: I've said this before and I'll say it again to teachers.
Speaker 10: If they want to get into politics, resign from the
Speaker 10: department medication and run for office. Stop politicizing the classroom.
Speaker 10: Stop indoctrinating our kids. I'm a mother of three children.
Speaker 10: I've seen it firsthand, and I think many other parents
Speaker 10: and grandparents will agree with me. That is just out
Speaker 10: of control. There are, always, there are teachers that do
Speaker 10: subtle things. It might not be a direct conversation, but
Speaker 10: it might be what they wear, it might be what
Speaker 10: they even just say in passing in a classroom, but
Speaker 10: it has a huge impact on those children. Ultimately, I'm tired,
Speaker 10: like many parents, of the politicizing of our children.
Speaker 3: Ye, classrooms are about learning.
Speaker 10: Back to basics, mass literature, history, real history.
Speaker 3: Real history. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with learning about our Aboriginal history.
Speaker 3: Let me make that clear. I didn't have a p
Speaker 3: That's fine, but let's not make it up. Let's exactly,
Speaker 3: and let's.
Speaker 4: Not get these teachers into the classrooms wearing these stupid
Speaker 4: T shirts or.
Speaker 3: Telling a child, you know, you don't feel like a
Speaker 3: boy today, you can be girl. It makes it makes
Speaker 3: me sick to be honest.
Speaker 4: Now, has anyone seen the sports Minister Anika Wells, No,
Speaker 4: because she's still missing in action after those expenses scandal.
Speaker 4: You know where she went all over the world and
Speaker 4: took her husband and now she is a no show
Speaker 4: at the Winter Olympics in Milan, David, She's actually meant
Speaker 4: to be at.
Speaker 3: These events as part of her role, but she's ducking
Speaker 3: for cover. Would you blame her?
Speaker 15: Well?
Speaker 12: This is very sad because the sports Minister is supposed
Speaker 12: to be the number one cheerleader of the nation's number
Speaker 12: one cheerleader and now because of what she's done in
Speaker 12: relation to her in relation to her expenses, she can't
Speaker 12: be the number one cheerleader. No, and I think probably
Speaker 12: she's going to need to have to consider a position. Maybe.
Speaker 12: I don't think she should be sad. She's apologized, she's
Speaker 12: rectified it. But she can clearly not be the number
Speaker 12: one cheerleader for the Australian Olympic team or anything else.
Speaker 12: Very very sad.
Speaker 3: It is very sad.
Speaker 4: I mean, look everywhere she goes now, she's got to
Speaker 4: be watched like a hall.
Speaker 10: That's this painter, that's the problem. In twenty thirty two,
Speaker 10: we've got our own Olympics in Australia, so you really
Speaker 10: needed her as a minister being at the Winter Olympics
Speaker 10: now to make those contacts and networks. So it's very unfortunate.
Speaker 3: I hate to think how.
Speaker 10: Many bureaucrats went instead. Yeah, good boy, Well that actually
Speaker 10: annoys me more. I think I would rather her there
Speaker 10: as a minister being there. So and David's right, very
Speaker 10: unfortunately if you can't have the number one cheerleader, which
Speaker 10: is the sports minister, being at the representing, you know,
Speaker 10: looking out for our athletes there at the Olympic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember there was a whole hey of bureaucrats
Speaker 4: that went to the un in New York, so.
Speaker 10: That might be white broadcast.
Speaker 3: Down the drain. No sympathy here, you behaved, David Elliott.
Speaker 3: Good to have you both on as always.
Speaker 11: Thank you so much for joining me, stay with us
Speaker 11: coming up after the break.
Speaker 4: A man accused of domestic violence against his partner is
Speaker 4: moved to a female prison in Perth because he changed
Speaker 4: his sex on his.
Speaker 3: Birth certificate and it's legal to do so.
Speaker 4: Sal Grover, who's at the center of Australia's what is
Speaker 4: a Woman case, is fired up about this.
Speaker 3: She'll join me next. Welcome back well.
Speaker 4: A biological man accused of domestic violence against a female
Speaker 4: partner has been jailed in a women's prison in Western
Speaker 4: Australia because they now identify as a woman. The West
Speaker 4: is reporting that prison boss bosses were blindsided when the inmate,
Speaker 4: who still has male genitals, produced a birth certificate that
Speaker 4: stated he was female.
Speaker 3: How self, I d laws.
Speaker 4: They are in place all over the country so you
Speaker 4: can change your sex at the swipe of a pen
Speaker 4: without having surgery now. The inmate, who has since been
Speaker 4: granted bail, was sent to bandy Up Women's prison after
Speaker 4: their arrest last year, and was segregated from the general
Speaker 4: population because the prospect of a man with a penis
Speaker 4: housed in an all female environment was quote considered too disruptive.
Speaker 4: Joining me now is Giggle founder saur Grover, So good
Speaker 4: to have you back on the show. Thanks for joining me.
Speaker 4: That line too disruptive. Well what about the alleged and
Speaker 4: we have to say, alleged DV perpetrator is in a
Speaker 4: women's prison in the first place because they can be
Speaker 4: there because they can just go ahead and change their sex.
Speaker 11: Yeah, this is the logical conclusion of gender identity laws,
Speaker 11: not even just self idea of gender identity laws. Whether
Speaker 11: you've had surgery or whether you've had hormones anything, no
Speaker 11: one can change sets. So the whole thing is self
Speaker 11: identifying as the opposite sets. And I'll tell you something
Speaker 11: for free. Good men do not go into female spaces.
Speaker 11: They don't even try.
Speaker 3: So the moment you.
Speaker 11: Are dealing with a man who will change his birth
Speaker 11: certificate in order to go into a woman's space, you
Speaker 11: are dealing with someone who is not good.
Speaker 3: This is to say none of them should be allowed
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 11: No one should be allowed to falsify an identification document
Speaker 11: and then use it to make other people believe. That
Speaker 11: line put other people in danger. Where dealing with another
Speaker 11: story in Australia this week of a convicted murderer claiming
Speaker 11: to be a woman who has sexually assaulted a female
Speaker 11: in need and she's been given a secret payout from that.
Speaker 11: Gender identity laws are not working. They're not working in
Speaker 11: this country. Women have been seeing for years now this
Speaker 11: is what will happen, And now it's happening. How many
Speaker 11: stories do we have to hear every day, every week
Speaker 11: in this country before the media and the politicians who
Speaker 11: are complicit in this admit that they felt for the
Speaker 11: stupidest possible line imaginable and actually do something to fix it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, and it's sentenced to what is a woman
Speaker 4: Australia doesn't know? Look, let's talk about that Victorian case
Speaker 4: of this is Clinton Rental. So he was moved to
Speaker 4: a minimum security female prison after transitioning while serving a
Speaker 4: twenty year sentence, and as we know from the Herald's Sun,
Speaker 4: the victim was paid off by the Allen government last year.
Speaker 4: And what's most scary is that just Cinta Allen is
Speaker 4: still refusing to put a blanket ban on men in
Speaker 4: women's prisons.
Speaker 3: Yet have a look at this.
Speaker 4: She's got time to virtue signal today on x she
Speaker 4: posted you'll probably know Mitch Brand from his time playing
Speaker 4: forty for the West Coast Eagles. Last year, he made
Speaker 4: history as the first ever AFL player to come out
Speaker 4: as bisexual. Role Models like Mitch are exactly who we
Speaker 4: need for generations to come happy pride.
Speaker 3: So sau Jasinta loves.
Speaker 4: To talk about gender, but not when it comes to
Speaker 4: a man and a women's prison sexually assaulting an inmate.
Speaker 4: But she's got time though, to promote pride when really,
Speaker 4: actually what she could be doing is booting men out
Speaker 4: of women's spaces.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, first of all, it should just be
Speaker 11: noted that bisexuality confirms that they all do know that
Speaker 11: sex is binary. But to move on to the actual
Speaker 11: issue at hand, if you are a government sitting government
Speaker 11: that cannot get a male predator out of a female prison,
Speaker 11: you're other, incompetent or malicious. There's no other option speaking
Speaker 11: of binary. So, I mean, female prisons have existed for
Speaker 11: a reason. They've existed for one hundred years. This is
Speaker 11: not how these policies were replaced. They existed. They've only
Speaker 11: changed because of these gender identity laws that have been
Speaker 11: brought in at the state and federal level. They're crumpling
Speaker 11: all around the world. But for whatever reason, Australia is
Speaker 11: doubling down on them while the worst case scenarios are
Speaker 11: happening In Scotland. A few years ago, the first Minister,
Speaker 11: Nicolas Sturgeon lost her political career over this issue over
Speaker 11: men claim women in women's prisons. And I'll tell you something,
Speaker 11: it wasn't even as bad as the government doing a
Speaker 11: secret payoff to it because a convicted murderer had sexually
Speaker 11: assaulted a female inmate. The fact that just into Alan
Speaker 11: or anyone in government things are they're going to be
Speaker 11: able to just get away with this, that we're going
Speaker 11: to just forget about it. One of the reasons why
Speaker 11: it's important beyond safety for inmates, but also for the
Speaker 11: general population, is that this is a lie that men
Speaker 11: can be women. And when you've got the government trying
Speaker 11: to force all of society to believe this lie, you're
Speaker 11: in a very very dangerous situation. So that's why we
Speaker 11: need to stop it, so that we can say to
Speaker 11: the government, no, you cannot force us to believe something
Speaker 11: that isn't true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: And I really do feel like the majority of the
Speaker 4: population know this. It is a very very small percentage.
Speaker 4: And the problem is you've got people like Jacinta Allen
Speaker 4: putting their rights ahead of everybody else's and their rights
Speaker 4: ahead of public safety, and that is an absolute disgrace,
Speaker 4: especially from somebody in such a high position in office.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about our jury and boxer Ammann Khalif in
Speaker 4: a shot to nobody, he is a man after all.
Speaker 4: You recall that Khalif won gold at the Paris Olympics. Well,
Speaker 4: now he's admitted to being born with male chromosomes and
Speaker 4: using hormonal treatment aimed at reducing testosterone levels.
Speaker 3: Ahead of the games.
Speaker 4: You know, Sala, remember when he threatened to sue anyone
Speaker 4: who said that he was a man, and remember the
Speaker 4: lefts melt down over it. Yet the International Olympic Committee
Speaker 4: said that he was born a woman because again his
Speaker 4: birth certificate said so what does this say?
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, it's always been clear that this person
Speaker 11: is a man, is male, and no one on our
Speaker 11: side has been seen that he was trans or anything
Speaker 11: like that. We've been seeing there's clearly been an issue
Speaker 11: with a disorder of sex development and a mistake and
Speaker 11: avert certificate.
Speaker 3: Unless it's been.
Speaker 11: More sinister than that. But that was sort of the
Speaker 11: most good faith explanation that our side could give. But
Speaker 11: instead of going, oh, okay, hang on, there might be
Speaker 11: something here, considering this guy has routinely failed sex testing,
Speaker 11: they celebrated the fact that he was punching women at
Speaker 11: the Olympics, thereby at least suggesting that gender ideology gives
Speaker 11: everybody free past to accept violence against women as some
Speaker 11: kind of moral position to have if it's something that
Speaker 11: will upset your political opponents. I mean, this is just,
Speaker 11: this is madness, and it's really quite sick. And I'm
Speaker 11: sure that people are going to double down and still
Speaker 11: pretend that he's some delicate woman who needs protecting. But no,
Speaker 11: I mean it's always been to anyone with eyes, and
Speaker 11: he is.
Speaker 4: It's obvious that he is man, absolutely, and I think
Speaker 4: he should be stripped of the gold medal. I mean,
Speaker 4: look what happened to that poor Italian boxer who was
Speaker 4: in tea after the match because she literally said that
Speaker 4: she couldn't go up against an opponent like that.
Speaker 3: It's just it's very unfair.
Speaker 4: I was shocked to see some signage sow for the
Speaker 4: new South Wales government, which is funding an International Women's
Speaker 4: Day event for and by trans women, which includes vocal coaching,
Speaker 4: support with legal gender affirmation, and other things.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, there's a lot of issues I
Speaker 3: find with this one.
Speaker 4: It's International Women's Day, but also funded by the taxpayer.
Speaker 3: What is your take on this? Yeah, look my take
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 11: I'm all for any event that's for and by transfomen.
Speaker 11: How fun boys knock yourselves out, I don't care. What
Speaker 11: I want is that women can also have events or
Speaker 11: spaces that are for and by women. I've now been
Speaker 11: in federal court for almost over four years fighting for
Speaker 11: the rate for women to have women only spaces, and
Speaker 11: these guys are just sort of out there rubbing it
Speaker 11: in our faces that they will do anything that they want.
Speaker 11: As I said, I'm all for it, but if you're
Speaker 11: going to have events for and buy and for trans women,
Speaker 11: you're going to have to accept that the law should
Speaker 11: also cover events forum by women and events forum by lesbians.
Speaker 3: And for men and for gay men. I think we
Speaker 3: can all have this.
Speaker 11: We need the law to recognize that it's fine for
Speaker 11: people to want to spend time with their tribe, and
Speaker 11: no one should have a problem with that. We live
Speaker 11: in a colorful world together. But the fact that if
Speaker 11: any woman right now is to go and do something
Speaker 11: exclusively for women in this country, she would get a
Speaker 11: Human Rights Commission complaint and the Sex Discrimination Commission would
Speaker 11: be on the men's side.
Speaker 4: Oh always, I mean you found that out firsthand in
Speaker 4: giggle versus tickle, and I look, speaking of that, we're
Speaker 4: almost out of time. I just want to ask you
Speaker 4: yesterday mark six months since that appeal to establish what
Speaker 4: is a woman? Because apparently we don't know. You must
Speaker 4: be patiently waiting now for a decision.
Speaker 11: Oh patient patiently is doing a lot heavy listening in there.
Speaker 11: I've kind of run out of patients. But yeah, I
Speaker 11: mean we are getting anticipating that there will be a
Speaker 11: decision very very soon. And look, it is really important
Speaker 11: because while to a lot of people it might just
Speaker 11: be the funny named case about an app it's always
Speaker 11: been about more than that. It is about the laws
Speaker 11: that are allowing men in these women's prisons, that stopping
Speaker 11: lesbians from having lesbian only spaces, being that schoolgirls don't
Speaker 11: have their own bathrooms at school. Is to make sure
Speaker 11: that the law, the Sex Discrimination Act, is interpreted correctly
Speaker 11: and at the moment, the Sex Discrimination Commissioner, doctor Anna
Speaker 11: Perdie interprets the law that insists that any man who
Speaker 11: claims to be women can be in a female only space.
Speaker 11: So she's on the side of that murderer, she is
Speaker 11: on the side of that domestic abuser who's in a
Speaker 11: woman's prison. She's not on the side of us. And
Speaker 11: we need a law that reflects reality, and we need
Speaker 11: a sex discrimination Commissioner who's going to interpret that law correctly.
Speaker 11: So hopefully any day now will get me a step
Speaker 11: closer to that happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I should say it's an alleged domestic violence perpetrator.
Speaker 3: And you're absolutely right.
Speaker 4: And look we're all waiting for you, and you know
Speaker 4: we've all got our fingers crossed and we look forward
Speaker 4: to the updates and hopefully soon for your sake. Sal Grover,
Speaker 4: it's always great to have a chat with you. Thanks
Speaker 4: very much for joining me, appreciate it. Coming up after
Speaker 4: the break, is Labour's defense sell off a good deal
Speaker 4: or not?
Speaker 3: I'll ask Michael Schuebridge that's next Welcome back.
Speaker 4: Well. Labor has identified sixty seven defense sites for potential
Speaker 4: sale to make two billion dollars in savings as the
Speaker 4: Australian Defense Force moves to address critical capability gaps. Here
Speaker 4: was a Defense Minister Richard Miles this morning.
Speaker 16: We need a defense estate which is really focused on
Speaker 16: the future needs of the Defense force, recognizing that the
Speaker 16: Defense Forces is its primary job is defending Australia. It's
Speaker 16: not a heritage organization, it's a defense organization and so
Speaker 16: this is as much about the focus of our personnel.
Speaker 16: So to give you exam you know, we're spending four
Speaker 16: million dollars or we have over the last four years
Speaker 16: securing Spectacle Island in Sydney Harbor, a site where there
Speaker 16: hasn't been a member of the Defense Forces twenty twenty three.
Speaker 16: Now there is the four million that is being spent
Speaker 16: there and that is just a complete waste of money.
Speaker 4: Clearly we're joining me now, is Strategic Analysis Australia Director
Speaker 4: Michael Schubridge. Michael, good to have you back on the show.
Speaker 4: Is the Defense Minister right?
Speaker 15: No, Richard Miles may not even have read the review
Speaker 15: that he released, saying it was urgent, a historic once
Speaker 15: in a generation. None of the money from these property
Speaker 15: sales is going to fund a single item of defense
Speaker 15: capability or equipment. The reviews authors, which are Finance X
Speaker 15: finance people say that any property sale money has to
Speaker 15: be put back into selling more defense properties. So this
Speaker 15: is just about shrinking the a state, and it's about
Speaker 15: selling off some of the properties like Victoria Barracks and
Speaker 15: Point Cook that are so important to our services. Point
Speaker 15: Cook is the birthplace of the Royal Australian Air Force.
Speaker 4: And the other thing that I'm a little bit baffled
Speaker 4: by two billion dollars. That's a total amount for all
Speaker 4: the savings for selling off these sites. There's sixty seven
Speaker 4: in total. Is that really good bang for your buck?
Speaker 11: No.
Speaker 15: So a lot of these are not very valuable sites,
Speaker 15: things like cadet training sites in Country Australia. So the
Speaker 15: review says, well, these aren't used often. And that's not surprising,
Speaker 15: is it, Because cadets go to school most of the time,
Speaker 15: so they're not going to be using their cadet training
Speaker 15: facility much. But those cadet facilities connect defense to the community.
Speaker 15: That's increasingly important. But the actual dollar savings, they say
Speaker 15: you'll get three billion dollars, mainly because they're going to
Speaker 15: sell off these iconic sites like Victoria Barracks built in
Speaker 15: the eighteen hundreds in the middle of Sydney, But that
Speaker 15: three billion is going to be eaten up by remediation
Speaker 15: and decontamination and heritage costs, so you get much less.
Speaker 15: So really the whole thing is built on sand.
Speaker 4: Now it doesn't give you much hope. Really, it sounds
Speaker 4: like we're going to be left more open before I
Speaker 4: let you go. The US at Iran have restarted nuclear diplomacy.
Speaker 3: I found it interesting.
Speaker 4: Michael both said that they've described the talks as good,
Speaker 4: but I mean, are they ever really that good when
Speaker 4: it comes to Iran?
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 15: I suppose the good news is they're having talks, and
Speaker 15: they're going to have more talks. But Iran is a
Speaker 15: million miles away from the American position. The Iranians are saying,
Speaker 15: let's only talk about our nuclear program, and we will
Speaker 15: not give up enrichment of uranium, and we won't hand
Speaker 15: over the uranium we've already enriched. The Americans are saying,
Speaker 15: let's talk about you stopping your nuclear program, and let's
Speaker 15: talk about you ending your missile programs and ending support
Speaker 15: to Hsbola and AMAS. So they're so far apart, but
Speaker 15: at least there isn't conflict happening right now. So maybe
Speaker 15: the talks will get somewhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I mean we're always hopeful that the talks
Speaker 4: will get somewhere.
Speaker 3: It is a pecurious situation.
Speaker 4: I knowe the US is also out preparing just in
Speaker 4: case that there isn't an escalation. As you can imagine,
Speaker 4: we've got to leave it there unfortunately. Michael Shubridge, nice
Speaker 4: to see you. Thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 4: Coming up after the break, I'll give you my dud
Speaker 4: of the week.
Speaker 3: Who will it be? Find out next? Welcome back to
Speaker 3: the program.
Speaker 4: Well, now it is time for Denika's dud of the week,
Speaker 4: which goes to New York City Mayor Zoran Ma'am Dami,
Speaker 4: who has made a pitch for why he thinks that
Speaker 4: the US should support mass migration policies. So you can
Speaker 4: imagine this is already going absolutely swimmingly already. Now he
Speaker 4: claims that America should follow the example of Islam and
Speaker 4: the prophet Muhammed.
Speaker 1: Have a look, and I consider my own fief. Islam
Speaker 1: a religion built upon a narrative of migration. The story
Speaker 1: of the Hedra reminds us the prophet Muhammad sod al Ali,
Speaker 1: who was seldom was a stranger too, who fled Meccan
Speaker 1: was welcomed in Medina.
Speaker 3: Earth to Zoran mam Dami.
Speaker 4: Now, in my view, that is not exactly a convincing
Speaker 4: argument when there is a big problem with mass migration,
Speaker 4: especially when it comes to the issue of radical Islam. Now,
Speaker 4: this is the same radical Islam that is incompatible with
Speaker 4: the West, and it's certainly incompatible with its values. We're
Speaker 4: having this exact debate right now in Australia. But let's
Speaker 4: not forget that America was founded on Judaeo Christian values,
Speaker 4: despite the lef's insistence desperately trying to destroy it. And
Speaker 4: I believe that this is nothing more than ideology dressed
Speaker 4: up as policy. I mean, what happened to Zoram nam
Speaker 4: Darmi wanting to clean up the streets, help the homeless,
Speaker 4: actually restore New York to its former glory. Instead, No,
Speaker 4: this is the New York mayor what an absolute shame.
Speaker 4: That's it from me Tonight. Coming up next is the
Speaker 4: McPherson angle.
Speaker 3: Good Night,