1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Kristanamio. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: It's Monday, August eighteen, twenty twenty five. The government's hotly 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: anticipated economic roundtable kicks off in Canberra on Monday. Prime 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: Minister Anthony Albanesi said his focus is on lowering taxes 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: and long term reforms, while Treasurer Jim Chalmers said he 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: and the PM are on the same page when it 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: comes to boosting productivity and balancing the budget. Australians are 8 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: worried about Donald Trump's tariff war, but China's military might 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: not so much. That's according to new data from Newspoll. 10 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: The survey also suggests people are mostly happy with the 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: performance of Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi, whose approval rating is 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: back in positive territory for the first time since twenty 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: twenty three. Those exclusive stories alive right now at the 14 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot a U. What does it mean 15 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: to be happy and how can you be happier? According 16 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: to the experts and some of Australia's most iconic figures, 17 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: it's actually astonishingly simple. Today we're putting a smile on 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: your dial with the Australian's new Happiness Project. 19 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: A because I would never hand wash. 20 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 3: Life is too short. 21 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: This is The Australian's Fiona Harari. She's a feature writer 22 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: for the paper's health section and she's got one of 23 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: the best laughs in our Sydney newsroom. See coffee is 24 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: a food group and sleep is optional or d I try, 25 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: but the Tim Tams keep finding me. 26 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim Tams, But Tim Tams make you happy. Let's 27 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: be honest. This is what it's all about. 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: Together, We're doing The Australian's Happiness Calculator. It's live now 29 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: at the Australian dot com dot au where you can 30 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: try it for yourself. Okay, click here for your happiness score. Oh, 31 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: your happiness score is nine point six eight, which is 32 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: just over three points above the average Australian happiness score. 33 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: So you got nine point six eight. I got nine 34 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: point three four. 35 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: So I'm a tiny bit happy. 36 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: I'maginally happier than me. Tell me what are your secrets. 37 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: Today? 38 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: The Australian is launching the Happiness Project. It's a deep 39 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: dive into what it means to be happy, how we 40 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: can improve our happiness and how it's linked to our health, 41 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: wealth and relationships. 42 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: And I have to say every single person that I've 43 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: mentioned this series two has smiled and said, what a 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: lovely idea. So it's possibly reflective of the state of 45 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: the world that we need some more happiness. 46 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: But I'm just very happy that we're spreading around. 47 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: I did the quiz on a day when it was 48 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: bucketing with rain, when I had to call the bank, 49 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: and when I'd run out of milk for my morning coffee. 50 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: But I was pleasant surprised to find that soggy sneakers aside, 51 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 1: I've got a lot to be happy about. Fiona does 52 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: too well. 53 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: I hardly slept last night, yet I'm apparently remarkably happy, 54 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 2: So I'm very pleased to hear this. 55 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: FA's spoken to a handful of iconic Australians for the 56 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: Happiness Project, starting with former Governor General and Army Chief 57 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: Sir Peter Cosgrove. 58 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to a range of well known 59 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: Australians from different backgrounds, in different ages to understand what 60 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: happiness meant to them. Do you have to reconfigure it 61 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: as you get older and are we making it too complicated? 62 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,559 Speaker 2: And yes, in many cases we are making it too complicated, 63 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: but really it's pretty obvious that if you have happiness 64 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: in your life, life is just a lot better. 65 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: You spoke to people who are in a lot of 66 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: different age groups, did you find that they had vastly 67 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: different views on happiness or was there a common theme. 68 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: I've got four people that I've spoken to at length 69 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: about happiness, and each story was quite different. The things 70 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: that make them happy, what they still needed in their life, 71 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: how they scored their life out of ten in terms 72 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: of happiness, what was lacking, and the different things that 73 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: they had in their lives that gave them true happiness. 74 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: And honestly, it's not rocket science. It's very often family 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: friends are loving, long term partner pets. 76 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: The things that. 77 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: We know can enrich your life are the things that 78 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: seem to bring the people in this series a lot 79 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 2: of joy. 80 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: Coming up. What one of Australia's most eminent military figures 81 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: knows about happiness. Long before he would become Australia's twenty 82 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: eighth governor, General, so Peter Cosgrove witnessed the ravagers of 83 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: war in Vietnam, where he was commander of a rifle platoon. 84 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: He received a Military Cross for his service in nineteen 85 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: seventy one and oversaw East Timor's transition to independence in 86 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: the late nineties. Cosgrove was appointed Chief of Army in 87 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: two thousand and later as the Chief of the Australian 88 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: Defense Force. After a long and storied military career, he 89 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: was appointed as Governor General by former Prime Minister Tony 90 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: Abbott in twenty fourteen. Now in his seventies, Sir Peter 91 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: Cosgrove is, by his own account, one of the happiest 92 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: blokes around. 93 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 4: So that's the sort of happiness in my own life. Kids, 94 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 4: my military career, promotions, military missions that have gone well, 95 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 4: opportunities which made me think how did I get here? 96 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 4: That sort of thing has brought me to a stage 97 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 4: where I'm content, and within that contentment, I'm pretty happy. 98 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: Here's Fiona Harari. 99 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: He just kept referring to his wife Lynn, Lady Cosgrove, 100 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 2: who he just adores and talks about how lucky he 101 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: is to have had such a loving, long term relationship 102 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 2: and that really is one of the keys to his 103 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: enduring happiness. 104 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 4: When I first met that young woman, we were both young, 105 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 4: I was so happy. I thought, I've found this wonderful person. 106 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 4: I hope we can make a go of it, and 107 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 4: we have. 108 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: They've lived in an astonishing twenty eight different homes over 109 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: the course of their forty nine year marriage, obviously, from 110 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: government house in camera to some less than salubrious digs 111 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: around the world, and he says that every home they've 112 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: lived in has been filled with love. She's been there 113 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: for him, he's been there for her. That has given 114 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 2: him great joy. And the reason I really wanted him 115 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: in this series, and I was so grateful when he 116 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: said yes, was that here is a man whose career, 117 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: his long career, has ostensibly been in the he's had 118 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: to send troops away to war, and I wondered, how 119 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: do you find happiness in that situation. 120 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: He's a remarkably chirpy, happy. 121 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: Man at seventy eight, and he said it is a 122 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: mystery to him. 123 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: It's not clear to him. 124 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: Why he escaped being left with trauma in the way 125 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: so many of his contemporaries have been. But he does 126 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: say that having a loving relationship has been a really 127 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: crucial part of cushioning some of the terrible things that 128 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: he's had to see and do in his military. 129 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: Career spanning almost two decades. The Vietnam War was a 130 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: deeply divisive conflict that caused huge rifts back home. Around 131 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: sixty thousand Australians served in Vietnam, where more than five 132 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: hundred were killed and thousands more were wounded. Many troops, 133 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: most of them men, returned to Australia deeply traumatized and 134 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: some were shunned for answering the call of duty. 135 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: War is bleak and one of the questions I asked 136 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: him was have you ever been in a situation where 137 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: happiness seems to be absent? 138 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: And automatically he said yes. 139 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: During the Vietnam War, his team were about to be discharged, 140 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: their tour of duty was over and they're about to 141 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: head home and this should have been a joyous time 142 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: for the men in his command. But at just before 143 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: they returned home, one Australian military person killed another and 144 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: he said that was the occasion in his life where 145 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: it was just utterly devoid of happiness. 146 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 3: It was just a terrible time. 147 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: Conversely, I asked him, have you found happiness in unexpected places? 148 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: And he automatically said yes, in each team or when 149 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 2: he was there around the time of independence. The joy 150 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: and happiness that he saw on people's faces when in 151 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: fact the help that they were promised was actually there 152 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 2: and that life was going to be better. 153 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: Was a beautiful thing to see. 154 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: And he said also watching Australian's rally together to help 155 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 2: the locals was a really joyous thing. 156 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 4: And when we were getting on the ship, they were 157 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 4: cheering us to the echo us, patting us on the back. 158 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: And I thought, this is wonderful because nobody else has 159 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 4: got this moment at the moment. I'm the fellow who's 160 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 4: just absolutely absorbing every moment, and I thought, this is 161 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 4: probably the crowning event of my military career. And boy 162 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 4: was I happy. 163 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: You said that Peter Cosgrove and his wife have lived 164 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: in all manner of places, many of them within Australia. 165 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: He's been close to our communities sometimes at really really 166 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: hard times for those communities. 167 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: Does he think we're happy? He thinks we're very happy. 168 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: He was really happy to report that happiness was well 169 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: and truly thriving out in the community, just at really 170 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 2: grassroots levels. The kindness that he sees in people and 171 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: general contentment that he sees out there is a really 172 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: lovely thing to hear about. 173 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 4: Mm hmmm. 174 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: Fiuna Harari is a feature writer with The Australian. You 175 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: can check out the Happiness Project and calculate your happiness 176 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: score right now at the Australian dot com dot au