WEBVTT - MAFS Producer Goes Rogue And Spills Secrets

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome back to the Mass Funny Podcast with

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<v Speaker 1>me Joshua Fox. Today we're doing something very special and

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<v Speaker 1>potentially something that's never been done before. And I'm about

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<v Speaker 1>to interview a former married at first site producer and

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<v Speaker 1>they're going on the record. They're using their name and

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<v Speaker 1>this this does not happen because these people usually like

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<v Speaker 1>live in the shadows. Everything's so secretive. They never really

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about what happens behind the scenes, how

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<v Speaker 1>they make the show. The lady I'm going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to today is called Alex Fanel. She worked for two

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<v Speaker 1>seasons on Mass as a post producer. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>wondering what a post producer does, I'll let her explain.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe one thing you guys didn't know is on shows

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<v Speaker 1>like this, there's so many different types of producers. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got like the casting producers, You've got day to day producers,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got executive seniors, You've got so many different departments.

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<v Speaker 1>Each couple is even assigned their own producer, who's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much like a babysitter day to day. So Alex is

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<v Speaker 1>going to come on and answer my question. She's going

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<v Speaker 1>to answer some of the questions you guys have been sending.

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<v Speaker 1>She no longer works in TV, which is why she's

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable kind of coming on to do this. And she

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<v Speaker 1>also has her own podcast that she does with her

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<v Speaker 1>best friend Jordie Lucas, who you guys may know as

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<v Speaker 1>a former actress from Neighbors. Jordy is also now a

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<v Speaker 1>host and presenter, and between them, they've basically worked on

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest shows in this country, and that's what they

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<v Speaker 1>talk about on their podcast. But today she's coming on

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<v Speaker 1>here to tell me exactly how Married at First Sight

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<v Speaker 1>is made.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello Ali speaking, Hello Alexis.

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<v Speaker 3>Josh, Oh, hi Josh, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good? How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Good, good, little little nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, they're just giving the people the answers they want.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying the best I can to be honest and

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<v Speaker 3>balanced and demystify it a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we'll start off with you were a post

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<v Speaker 1>producer for two seasons. Firstly, what the fuck does post

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<v Speaker 1>producer even mean?

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<v Speaker 3>So post producers are essentially the equivalent of like the

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<v Speaker 3>edit producer. So we're not on shit, we don't. We're

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<v Speaker 3>not across what happens on production during filming. Really, we

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<v Speaker 3>just get hours and hour's worth of footage. We get

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<v Speaker 3>a very slight overview of what happened that day. We

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<v Speaker 3>get assigned certain days or episodes or whatever, and then

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<v Speaker 3>it's our job to comb through and watch the footage

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<v Speaker 3>from the very first bit to the very end. And

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<v Speaker 3>so it will take us maybe two to three weeks

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<v Speaker 3>to actually watch all the footage.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, wait, so before we kind of jump into that,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to give more context to listeners. So

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<v Speaker 1>when someone says, like a producer, I think people just

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<v Speaker 1>assume there's one team of people that are doing everything,

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<v Speaker 1>But in reality, you have like a team of casting producers.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got day to day producers. Each couple is assigned

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<v Speaker 1>a producer who's almost like a babysitter, and like, yes it, so,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what's.

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<v Speaker 2>Happening day to day?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know like the maybe tactics they've used to

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<v Speaker 1>get the footage that you're then sent, You.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, like no idea now, so you kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Go into it blindly.

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<v Speaker 3>We just get a top line rundown of what each

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<v Speaker 3>conversation was about once we've watched the footage. And so

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<v Speaker 3>while we're watching it, we're transcribing it and taking notes

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, X goes here. No, even the boring things,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all transcribed. We don't miss anything. Then we have

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<v Speaker 3>story meetings and in that meeting we talk about what's

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<v Speaker 3>been going on, and that's when you all talk about, well,

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<v Speaker 3>what's been going on in the wider context of the

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<v Speaker 3>show on set, and so you say, well, this happened,

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<v Speaker 3>this happened, this happened, they had a fight about this,

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<v Speaker 3>blah blah blah, got upset, blah blah. And then as

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<v Speaker 3>a group you discuss what the angle is that we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to hone in on. Because essentially you've got hours

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<v Speaker 3>and hour's worth of footage, seventy hours. Sometimes how you

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<v Speaker 3>can't put it all on air. You have to put

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<v Speaker 3>it into a two or three five minute scene. You

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<v Speaker 3>have to decide which bits you're going to keep.

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<v Speaker 1>This is interesting because you know every year people come

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<v Speaker 1>out and blame the idea. They go the EDDA, stitch

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<v Speaker 1>me up, the this. But I'm now speaking to the

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<v Speaker 1>person who does the edit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I always get a be in my bonnet

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<v Speaker 3>when the season airs, and then they start blaming the edit,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly if it's an edit that I did.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like this is my work.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, I'll be like, oh you are like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I watched you. I watched you know you from morning tonight,

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<v Speaker 3>I watched you at dinner. I know you. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>know me. I know you, and that is what you're like.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, one example I think we can use hair that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of relevant like this season is Lauren's sister Tomara.

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<v Speaker 1>She was the first person this year to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>be branded a villain. You know, she was unhinged at

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<v Speaker 1>that wedding. She made it all about herself. And then

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<v Speaker 1>she came out and I'll read you this quote she says,

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<v Speaker 1>I know how it looks. I watched the same episode

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<v Speaker 1>as every else, and without context, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally get it.

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<v Speaker 1>But these over eighteen hours of footage you didn't see.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be sharing Gatello soon, so stay tuned. But just

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<v Speaker 1>a little reminder, this is a reality TV show heavily

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<v Speaker 1>edited to get the highest ratings.

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<v Speaker 3>I would ask Lauren herself that she think her sister

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<v Speaker 3>was taken out of context. We saw what we saw.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure we didn't have all the other scenes around it.

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<v Speaker 3>But she did say most of those things right, she

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<v Speaker 3>did do those things, She did behave in a certain way,

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<v Speaker 3>I would presume they've spotted her. She was obviously being

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<v Speaker 3>a certain way, a dickad probably, and then the producers

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<v Speaker 3>have been like, this is somebody we should speak to.

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe the more they spoke to her, the more

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<v Speaker 3>she acted out of thoughts. I highly doubt she was

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<v Speaker 3>a wallflower and a lovely good person. And then the

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<v Speaker 3>producers just out of no where plucked it out of

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<v Speaker 3>thin air and thought, let's ruin this woman today, let's

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<v Speaker 3>ruin her life. Like I just it doesn't work like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the people's behavior leads the edit.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so well with this example we're using. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was there Lauren and Elliott's wedding. I was outside and

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<v Speaker 1>I was there. I kind of watched her and the

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<v Speaker 1>lobby and producers were chasing her around. So how I

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<v Speaker 1>think this has played out? As you know, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>she's rocked up at the wedding. She's a bit out there,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a bit outspoken. Producers have gone, Okay, here we go,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got a character. And then throughout the day they've

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<v Speaker 1>probably kept going, how are you feeling?

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<v Speaker 2>God? That was a bit weird, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you believe? She said?

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<v Speaker 1>That she probably hasn't realized this extra attention she's getting

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<v Speaker 1>competitive of a guest is because they have this vision

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<v Speaker 1>in mind that they are with their producers, they're producing

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<v Speaker 1>her to create something that's entertaining. And then she's come

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<v Speaker 1>out and says, you know, there's over eighteen hours of

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<v Speaker 1>footage you didn't see, And then she probably didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>on the day that she was the only one getting

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<v Speaker 1>this extra attention.

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<v Speaker 2>She probably felt all.

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<v Speaker 1>These eighteen hours of everyone. So then when she's watched

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<v Speaker 1>the condensed what twenty minute package of the wedding, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, fuck, I'm fifteen minutes of this.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you would have got the eighteen hours.

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<v Speaker 1>You would have just had these notes right from the

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<v Speaker 1>producers on the day, being like this happened, this happened,

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<v Speaker 1>this sister was a bit unhinged. The system maybe said this,

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<v Speaker 1>So you maybe looked at those notes and you would

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<v Speaker 1>then go into watching eighteen hours and is this true.

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<v Speaker 1>You would then already maybe having your head that okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm told this person's maybe the standout of this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>so correcked. But you would have had no wider context

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, being like she was probably pushed into

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<v Speaker 1>saying more than maybe she would have liked to.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we would not be no way. Do you do

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<v Speaker 3>you think the production are gonna tell pos? Oh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we chase it all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we gave us six classes of.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout say this, no no. As post producers, it's our

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<v Speaker 3>job to watch all the eighteen hours of footage, and

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<v Speaker 3>even without any context or note source or instruction to

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<v Speaker 3>look at her, we would spot that ourselves, okay, and

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<v Speaker 3>then we would pitch that ourselves. I would say, even

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<v Speaker 3>if there was no mention of the because we watch

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<v Speaker 3>all the boxes that are done with the bride and

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<v Speaker 3>groom's friends and family. That's just part of the workflow.

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<v Speaker 3>And so if I watched that and saw that, I

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<v Speaker 3>would say, oh, and this here's one the bride's sister

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<v Speaker 3>is pretty unhinged.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And then you have that meeting with the wider

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<v Speaker 1>post producer team, and then you know you're the boss

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<v Speaker 1>of that team, would then go, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the one. That's the that's the storyline.

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<v Speaker 1>And then is it your job to then when you

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<v Speaker 1>make this edit, I supposed to make it mostly about

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<v Speaker 1>her because you you guys have now Okay, that's the storyline.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything else is almost irrelevant.

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<v Speaker 3>The story's changed so much. There are so many versions

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<v Speaker 3>of each wedding. And you know, I did a wedding

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<v Speaker 3>one year and from the first scenes I cut to

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<v Speaker 3>what ended up on air, there would have been maybe

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<v Speaker 3>twelve or thirteen versions of the wedding. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you might decide, oh, yeah, we're focusing on the unhinged character,

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<v Speaker 3>and then we cut it and make her the focus.

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<v Speaker 3>And then by the time you will, everybody watches it

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<v Speaker 3>because you watch what you have screenings, you know, before

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<v Speaker 3>it goes air, six or seven screenings. Then it starts

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<v Speaker 3>other people, other levels start to get involved, and they

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<v Speaker 3>might be like, I'm not feeling that story. It just

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<v Speaker 3>isn't working, or for some reason it just doesn't fit

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<v Speaker 3>in with Lauren's wider story, like it just doesn't make sense,

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<v Speaker 3>So cut it. That happened a different angle. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>why it's so laborious and tiring, and you just are

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<v Speaker 3>constantly giving different versions of the same day because there's

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<v Speaker 3>so much footage, and so that whatever ends up making

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<v Speaker 3>it to where is what people have all watched and

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<v Speaker 3>agreed is the most interesting angle because we could make

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<v Speaker 3>the most boring wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever, do you think they purposely look at like the

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<v Speaker 1>every wedding as a hole and go, Okay, well, well

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<v Speaker 1>there's too much drama here, so we need like a

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<v Speaker 1>hero wants to keep some integrity.

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<v Speaker 2>So even I'm trying to think who had like.

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<v Speaker 1>A quite maybe Dave and Jamie, I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember there being much drama there. You know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>very sweet. He had a vulnerable moment, he got emotional

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<v Speaker 1>talking about his family and yeah, yeah, we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>instantly I was hooked on them, like, oh, that was

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<v Speaker 1>such a beautiful day. They seem like a great couple

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<v Speaker 1>of really nice people. But for all we know, they

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<v Speaker 1>could have been Dave's best mind could have been like

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<v Speaker 1>doing boxes, going oh he's a fucking fuck boy. Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>he loves getting girls, and like, they could have made

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<v Speaker 1>that wedding we watched, So my interpretation of him could

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<v Speaker 1>have been entirely different. Is that true? If they had

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<v Speaker 1>that footage.

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<v Speaker 3>When we spot that someone is a dick, we usually

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<v Speaker 3>are gonna opt for that angle. Like if I, as

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<v Speaker 3>a woman, was watching that footage and his best man

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<v Speaker 3>is saying all these things about him, I would go

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<v Speaker 3>pretty hard to try and out him as a dickhead.

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<v Speaker 3>I would not feel comfortable protecting him.

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<v Speaker 2>Say someone's kind of on the fence.

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<v Speaker 1>They're great in some aspects, but there are so our

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<v Speaker 1>dickhead in others, and like they could be the villain

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<v Speaker 1>or the hero, and like say a big boss decides, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we need this person as this year's hero. Would you

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<v Speaker 1>then be instricted to kind of throw away any of

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<v Speaker 1>their negative scenes because that would go against the storyline

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<v Speaker 1>you're building.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we don't use the hero and villain word. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>that's something that social media talks about, you know, behind

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<v Speaker 3>the scenes is not they're referred to as their names.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not referred to as heroes and villains because we

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<v Speaker 3>don't really see them like that. If anything, sometimes I

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<v Speaker 3>think some participants get a good edit. I would be

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<v Speaker 3>more inclined to say you got lucky with your good edit,

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<v Speaker 3>because sometimes there are times when I guess some scene

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<v Speaker 3>the cut because it doesn't play in with this person

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<v Speaker 3>is a good person.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what you said that is interesting that I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose that the main executives of the show as a

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<v Speaker 1>whole would then like almost protect certain people because they know, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that scene wasn't great, and the audience might go, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure about her, but if they know she gets

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<v Speaker 1>to the end or he and you know, they have

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<v Speaker 1>the love story and they need them to almost keep

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<v Speaker 1>some integrity to the show that you know.

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<v Speaker 2>We can produce a happy ending.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting that they would happily go, oh, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>throw that scene on the chopping room floor, like we'll

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<v Speaker 1>just pretend that didn't happen to protect them.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also an instance where a villain and I'm using quotations,

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<v Speaker 3>was copping a lot of flak by Australia, and towards

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<v Speaker 3>the end they were just like cut cut all their

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<v Speaker 3>scenes because they just didn't want to feed the fuel anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>And so when that villain comes out blaming the edit,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, you actually got protected because it could have

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<v Speaker 3>been worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you kind of saying I didn't realize this, but

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<v Speaker 1>like it's almost that you guys are re editing the

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<v Speaker 1>show responsive to the public.

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<v Speaker 3>To the very the very end does a line and

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<v Speaker 3>there is enough of a turnaround that so, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>say in a couple of weeks when we get into

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<v Speaker 3>the mid season and it's on air, some of those

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<v Speaker 3>later episodes would still be getting edited and they could

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<v Speaker 3>potentially be slightly impacted by audience, but generally it doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 3>But this was sort of a situation where that person

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<v Speaker 3>was copying so much that the network execs were just like,

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<v Speaker 3>this has gone too far. We actually don't want this,

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<v Speaker 3>and we need to just get rid of all their

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<v Speaker 3>scenes because we don't want to feel the fire anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose it's a duty of care, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I honestly have I not across that whatsoever. I just

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<v Speaker 3>get the footage and cut it. I don't know. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>they don't always know how far it's going to go.

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<v Speaker 3>There was some there are some reactions that I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think you can preempt necessarily. Sometimes the reaction is so

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<v Speaker 3>hectic that it wasn't necessarily preempted.

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<v Speaker 2>No, well, that's interesting. It's like we're so in the bubble.

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<v Speaker 1>And the people that make the show that you often

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<v Speaker 1>forget society and like examples of that, And to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the duty of care, I remember that I

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<v Speaker 1>first realized the severity of this show was when I

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<v Speaker 1>forget I think it was season six.

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<v Speaker 2>It was do you remember Matha and Inners?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when that it got to the point Reunion was airing.

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<v Speaker 1>The hate and abuse and threats they were copying in

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<v Speaker 1>real life was so extreme. I remember Channel nine put

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<v Speaker 1>them in a safe house like it was in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of nowhere, like in an hour, out of nousa somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and they essentially just went into hiding while it blew over.

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<v Speaker 1>There was the season before that Divina Rankin, who was

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<v Speaker 1>classed as the first villain. And it's funny because the

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<v Speaker 1>prom reflection everyone caught it the first cheetah, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think she only ever tried to kiss Deine. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like fast forward to Jess Power and she's shagging down Web.

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<v Speaker 1>But I remember it got so bad for Divina. I

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<v Speaker 1>think she went to Fiji. Channel nine literally just gone

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<v Speaker 1>her out of the country for a few weeks, and

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<v Speaker 1>then even Olivia when that got to such an extreme

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<v Speaker 1>that people were driving past her house shouting I want

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<v Speaker 1>to kill you bitch, because her address leaked with the police.

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<v Speaker 3>Then involved in Australian If you met at the Australian public,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody loves to get outraged and angry and have a

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<v Speaker 3>common enemy, and that's what happens. And you know what

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<v Speaker 3>about Abby Chatfield all those years ago. All she did

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<v Speaker 3>was be really into Matt and be horny and she

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<v Speaker 3>got hated by Australia because she said, I'm not here

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<v Speaker 3>for to make friends, I'm here for Matt. And then

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<v Speaker 3>Australia was like what we we hate her. But actually

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<v Speaker 3>in the context of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Was nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>You did nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Bachelor's filmed over what is it, two free months,

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<v Speaker 1>so of course you're going to be horny for the

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<v Speaker 1>guy you Therefore, I shocked people on the first day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm honey for them after an hour, got for their two.

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<v Speaker 3>Months exactly, and Australia hated her. And it's like Australia

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<v Speaker 3>gets so well. I don't think it's specific to Australia,

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<v Speaker 3>just the Internet. Let's just say the Internet gets so

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<v Speaker 3>outraged and angry that they'll hate on anything really, and

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<v Speaker 3>then it feeds. They feed each other in the comments

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<v Speaker 3>section as well, and they fight with each other and

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<v Speaker 3>they get all worked up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I get that.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you know, they making a show for they want

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<v Speaker 1>people to respond. Then like I get outraging and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be like, you know, I'll see a friend the next thay, like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, can you believe that, But I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna then go I know where she lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's drive past and shout.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, kill you bitch, Like I'd never understand, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what what person in society thinks, Oh, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is a normal response to someone who've just watched them

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you like, it should never get to that extreme.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fucking ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fucking ridiculous. And that is the That is the

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<v Speaker 3>risk of putting yourself out there. You know, I have

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<v Speaker 3>only been on TikTok putting things up on there for

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of weeks, and people are starting to hate me,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, shit, imagine if I was faced with

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<v Speaker 3>death threats and whatever, I'd get pretty I would be

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<v Speaker 3>pretty worried about that. But that's showbiz. That's that's that's audiences,

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<v Speaker 3>that's Australia. Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, to get back to you as a producer, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to bring up this topic which always comes out

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<v Speaker 1>in the media every year called frank and biting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually called frank and grabs. Think when they say

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<v Speaker 3>frank and bite, it's week all them frank and grabs.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So for the listeners to this who don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what a frank and grab is. It's where you would

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<v Speaker 1>essentially take maybe a few words from one sentence, a

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<v Speaker 1>few words from a sentence a few days later of

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<v Speaker 1>a participant, and you mash it all together to make

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<v Speaker 1>a whole new sentence, which is often not what was

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<v Speaker 1>said in the slightest Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>That is not what my definition of it is. But

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<v Speaker 3>the technical side is correct, Yes it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look before we let me play a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>examples of this. So take a listen to these.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess for me, when I said I wanted to leave,

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<v Speaker 3>it was because I was scared.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter what happens tonight, I think it's important for

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<v Speaker 1>me to like Carolyn and know how I'm feeling. So

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<v Speaker 1>to me, there I can hear that, you can hear

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<v Speaker 1>the like different inflection in the words it goes. I

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<v Speaker 1>do not like this about like you can tell this

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<v Speaker 1>yeh fake?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well but why did I do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because to me that feels like a sloppy, desperate attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to say, Okay, we have this storyline, we need to

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<v Speaker 1>run with it. But they haven't said anything to keep

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<v Speaker 1>that storyline going, So fuck do what you have to

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<v Speaker 1>to just like it's it's not real. Once, psych Alex,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna say before we jump into that, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's a big topic, and before I ask you the

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<v Speaker 1>big question of do you have any regrets and did

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<v Speaker 1>you ever feel like a bad person, I'm gonna say, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>come back tomorrow for part two. You know what we

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<v Speaker 1>call that in the industry, a cliffhanger and a hook. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only doing this because, to be honest, I always

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<v Speaker 1>said I wouldn't do a big, hour long episodes because

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<v Speaker 1>I know people drop off after about twenty minutes. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's so chill, Let's have a refresh and come back,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's gonna get even juicier.