Speaker 1: I got you, Bloody Champions. Welcome back to another installment
Speaker 1: of your favorite show. And if it isn't, why the
Speaker 1: fuck isn't it it should be. It's me, Fatty Harps.
Speaker 1: It is the You Project.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: It's a Thursday in Melbourne. It's the fifteenth of the
Speaker 1: fifth I feel like I'm back on radio. I'm sounding
Speaker 1: very much like a radio announcer at the moment. I'll
Speaker 1: just do a weather check, a station ID and a
Speaker 1: time check and then we're doing radio. I've got to
Speaker 1: stop that bullshit and get back into podcaster mode. Hi,
Speaker 1: Lucas Radio Show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, funny, funny to be back again for the
Speaker 2: third time.
Speaker 1: It's nice to see you. I can see you, our
Speaker 1: listeners can't. But it's nice to connect with you again.
Speaker 1: And I was just talking. We were just chatting off
Speaker 1: here about among other things. But like somebody like you
Speaker 1: who's quite knowledgeable, you know, very knowledgeable in the space
Speaker 1: that you inhabit, the ever present challenge is trying to
Speaker 1: share thoughts and ideas and science and research in a
Speaker 1: way that's really resonant with people who don't do all
Speaker 1: the research and the science, which is most of us,
Speaker 1: and try to make it understandable. Is that when you're
Speaker 1: coaching people, or when you're doing corporate gigs or health
Speaker 1: industry gigs or in front of any audience, how much
Speaker 1: do you have to be mindful of do they fucking
Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Oh look, I was actually thinking about the way that
Speaker 2: I when I communicate abstract ideas or any sort of
Speaker 2: scientific jug and you know what I try and do.
Speaker 2: The number one thing that I try and do is
Speaker 2: I try and get them to think about something that
Speaker 2: they already know and then build upon something that they
Speaker 2: already know. I just realized that's probably like my number
Speaker 2: one skill is when I communicate something like if I'm
Speaker 2: introducing a sleep supplement to somebody who doesn't know anything
Speaker 2: about supplements, but they might know a little bit, then
Speaker 2: I'll lean on the fact that they might know a
Speaker 2: little bit, and that little bit might be oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've heard that magnesium is good before sleep. So what
Speaker 2: I'll do when I communicate that, I'm saying, hey, by
Speaker 2: the way, this herbal extract works similarly to magnesium. Then
Speaker 2: their ears perk up. Yeah, Like that's I just realized
Speaker 2: that's probably my number one skill is being able to
Speaker 2: like link things. And I also communicate to people. I
Speaker 2: try and meet them at their level. So like if
Speaker 2: if their level of knowledge is like quite high or
Speaker 2: elaborate in a certain area, that I try and like
Speaker 2: continue that conversation on that level. I feel like that's
Speaker 2: how I approach it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think also, like, if you're talking to
Speaker 1: people about shit that's relevant to them, like, oh, like
Speaker 1: how many people have shit sleep? Not just nearly everyone, right,
Speaker 1: So the moment that you go, let's talk about how
Speaker 1: to have better shit sleep, everyone pricks there is a
Speaker 1: bit and says, all right, go on, I'm paying attention
Speaker 1: because nobody wants less sleep or worse sleep. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that using the language that resonates with them. But
Speaker 1: also speaking about you know, talking about things which for
Speaker 1: the average person is if not every day, but semi regularly,
Speaker 1: it's an issue, you know, like energy is an issue,
Speaker 1: cognitive function is an issue. You know for half the population,
Speaker 1: having a dick that works periodically is an issue. Like
Speaker 1: one of the funniest things. How many times have I
Speaker 1: seen you talking about icing your balls and the ball
Speaker 1: icing protocol? Let's start there. So let's start there. Let's
Speaker 1: do a deep dive, and keeping in mind that seventy
Speaker 1: percent of my audience of women, So for the ladies,
Speaker 1: this probably not that relevant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't, can't ask the ovaries unfortunately.
Speaker 1: No, it might might be interesting. Nonetheless, So what what's
Speaker 1: the what's the science behind the icing of one's testicles?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I actually brought this to the forefront probably
Speaker 2: like four or five years ago, when I was just
Speaker 2: trying to educate men on what they can do to
Speaker 2: enhance their fertility and also naturally support their testosterone production. So,
Speaker 2: you know, Craig, I went down a rabbit hole. I
Speaker 2: was like, what can I do as a young man
Speaker 2: to optimize my hormone so that I can sleep, so
Speaker 2: that I can have more energy, just feel more confident,
Speaker 2: have better muscle mass, that sort of stuff. And I
Speaker 2: realized that most of it all comes down, well, mostly
Speaker 2: it comes down to optimizing testosterone, the practice of icing
Speaker 2: the testes. I actually came across on a bodybuilding forum
Speaker 2: where these guys were chatting about breaking like doing achieving
Speaker 2: a PB on their strength lifts when they would ic
Speaker 2: their testes before the lift, and I was like, what
Speaker 2: are they talking about? Like these China and even these
Speaker 2: Chinese and Russian power lifters back in the day used
Speaker 2: to ice their balls before they'd go out and try
Speaker 2: and you know, could be what's going on here, like
Speaker 2: why are they doing this? And I'm like, I looked
Speaker 2: into the potential mechanism, like what the heck is happening here?
Speaker 2: Like why does applying ice to a man's testes actually
Speaker 2: have a beneficial effect? And then I came across this
Speaker 2: like actual scientific term called nocturnal scrotal cooling, which is
Speaker 2: a technique that's used to massively improve fertility and boost
Speaker 2: sperm count in men. And I conducted an experiment on
Speaker 2: myself and end of one experiment and I'm like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'm going to do blood tests. I'm going
Speaker 2: to do a blood test before and after twelve weeks
Speaker 2: of icing ten to fifteen minutes a day, like typically
Speaker 2: i'd do it before bed, and I would see whether
Speaker 2: or not I would actually move the needle in terms
Speaker 2: of my blood test results, and my testosterone score increased
Speaker 2: by about twenty percent or so, and I'm like, hang on,
Speaker 2: I sect there must be something to this, And then
Speaker 2: I started creating content about it, and then all these
Speaker 2: other guys started doing the practice and protocol saying that
Speaker 2: they felt more energy just waking up with a really
Speaker 2: hard pock basically. And I'm like, you know what, there's
Speaker 2: actually legitimate science behind this. These guys have been running experiments,
Speaker 2: They've done blood work. I've seen their blood work before
Speaker 2: and after, and it just really helps. So it's a
Speaker 2: free practice. It doesn't cost people anything. It's a If
Speaker 2: guys don't want to jump onto TRT, they might consider
Speaker 2: doing this in combination with supplements and you know, weightlifting
Speaker 2: and diet and things like that.
Speaker 1: And I will mention everyone that this is not this
Speaker 1: is not some bullfed who's just been doing pseudoscience. Lucas
Speaker 1: is an internationally renowned natural path educator. I wrote this
Speaker 1: for you before Dispenser of Dispenser of pseudoscience, maker of
Speaker 1: ups and force for good not evil. So that can
Speaker 1: be your new bio. I like it all right, So
Speaker 1: everyone's going, I'm sure, so nocturnal scrotal cooling and best
Speaker 1: name ever, that could be the name of the show.
Speaker 1: What how do we what do we have a little
Speaker 1: eski for our testicles that's as big as a cup?
Speaker 1: What do we how do we actually do we straddle
Speaker 1: a bowl, kneeling on the carpet. What do we do?
Speaker 2: You know, I've had that many people come in on
Speaker 2: my videos and mentioning all the weird ways in which
Speaker 2: they're icing their balls, and I'm just looking at the comments,
Speaker 2: bean like, some people really just come up with some
Speaker 2: really interesting ways to keep their test is cool. There's,
Speaker 2: funnily enough, there's actually some devices that are being developed
Speaker 2: and invented sort of to help with this. The best thing, well,
Speaker 2: probably the most easy to implement way would be to
Speaker 2: just literally grab you know those like flexible ice packs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you just basically or a frozen bag of piece, you play,
Speaker 2: a frozen p yeah, yeah, yeah, and just whack it
Speaker 2: up against your underwear and just let it sit there
Speaker 2: for like ten to fifteen minutes where you're where your
Speaker 2: test is hanging, and then just let those let those
Speaker 2: duels cool, and yeah, you reaped it.
Speaker 1: Does it hurt? It seems like it's gonna hurt a
Speaker 1: little if.
Speaker 2: You're I mean, if you're applying it up against the underwear,
Speaker 2: it's usually fine. I tell guys, do not apply the
Speaker 2: ice up against your direct skin, because then you'll get
Speaker 2: like skin burn. Yeah, but no, a lot of guys
Speaker 2: just they initially they get a bit of a ooh,
Speaker 2: like a bit of a like a jolt, a jult
Speaker 2: jolting effect. But yeah, I've been researching it a little
Speaker 2: bit more recently in the last six months, and there's
Speaker 2: actually a new theory as to how it actually helps
Speaker 2: with testosterone. The first one that I that I initially
Speaker 2: came up with that wasn't actually discussed was the opposite
Speaker 2: of vasodilation vasoconstriction, So the blood vessels vasoconstrict, and then
Speaker 2: what happens is when you remove the ice pack, it
Speaker 2: causes a rebound vasodilation and that brings new blood flow
Speaker 2: and oxygen delivered to the to the tissue, to the testes.
Speaker 2: And that was one of the theories. But actually there's
Speaker 2: another theory where it's there's like a space in the
Speaker 2: test is where testosterone gets trapped, and it's yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a particular area within the test is whether the testosterone
Speaker 2: actually gets I wouldn't say gets stuck, but like it
Speaker 2: doesn't actually make its way out of the test is
Speaker 2: into the bloodstream. So that's a new theory that's relatively
Speaker 2: sort of popped up. But it's such a such a
Speaker 2: cool little little hack testosterone.
Speaker 1: We'll get ladies, We'll get off testosterone very soon, because
Speaker 1: although I do want to ask you about ladies and
Speaker 1: testosterone in a moment, but I was it you I
Speaker 1: saw on someone's page. I think it was yours saying
Speaker 1: the average testosterone thirty or forty years ago was five
Speaker 1: sixty seven or something or that was considered low. What
Speaker 1: is that nanimals per desoletter? What is that?
Speaker 2: I forget, Well that would have been it was five
Speaker 2: sixty seven nanograms per desoletter, right, and.
Speaker 1: That was considered low. And now in twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: three hundred, so pretty much half of that is considered normal.
Speaker 2: Oh it's crazy, Like it depends where you are in
Speaker 2: the world. In Australia they have a different cutoff reference range.
Speaker 2: So like the reference range, Yeah, I think it's like
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety nanograms per desolator and that goes
Speaker 2: up to Like the thing is, they've even reduced the
Speaker 2: upper end of that reference range, so about fifty years
Speaker 2: ago it actually used to go up to like fourteen hundred,
Speaker 2: one thousand, five one thousand, four hundred. And by the way,
Speaker 2: I rarely see guys that are natural that have testosterone
Speaker 2: above a thousand. It's very very rare. Even if the
Speaker 2: guy thinks he's really healthy, thinks that he's like you know,
Speaker 2: lifting waights, eating while doing all the right things, still
Speaker 2: like he'd be lucky to get nine hundred and fifty,
Speaker 2: maybe just scraping a thousand.
Speaker 1: And that's someone who's young, super healthy, got good genetics,
Speaker 1: not smokeing, not you know what I mean. This is
Speaker 1: a very for you, a very simple question. But and
Speaker 1: we could talk about this for now, we're not going to.
Speaker 1: But what are some of the potential consequences of men
Speaker 1: having low testosterone? I know they're a myriad, and I
Speaker 1: know there's some very well known ones, but just you know,
Speaker 1: like just humorous. So there's physiological, emotional, psychological, and cognitive
Speaker 1: consequences or potential consequences. Just walk us through a few
Speaker 1: of those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I like the mental side the most
Speaker 2: because you love the mental side as well, because you
Speaker 2: know that's your sort of background. But for me, it's
Speaker 2: so profound. When I talk to guys that have low testosterone,
Speaker 2: there's a very common trait amongst them all, and it's
Speaker 2: usually that they can't back themselves in making decisions, they
Speaker 2: struggle to have that level of like resilience. They're more hesitant,
Speaker 2: and you see, you can actually see I don't want
Speaker 2: to Like I was in the gym this morning and
Speaker 2: I did see a guy that I no offense to him,
Speaker 2: but I did do a consultation with him, and I
Speaker 2: know he had low testosterone, and I could see him
Speaker 2: walking in and I was like, I'm actually going to
Speaker 2: observe and monitor his behavior when he walks into the gym,
Speaker 2: And you can almost tell the guys that are like
Speaker 2: somewhat hesitant or like you know, they're not really sure
Speaker 2: where they're going to go. They're sort of like just
Speaker 2: got their bag on their back and they're just like
Speaker 2: they're sort of like being the second not the second tier,
Speaker 2: but just sort of being like a bit of a
Speaker 2: mickey mouse in the gym. They're not sure, like what
Speaker 2: are they going to train? They're not going to like
Speaker 2: just get after it. Whereas you look at the guys
Speaker 2: that have high tistosterone, man, they're the ones that just
Speaker 2: they're not hesitating, they're not thinking twice, they back themselves,
Speaker 2: They're they're they're confident. That for me is I think
Speaker 2: I think a guy would would pay anything to have
Speaker 2: that level of confidence is a huge factor in success
Speaker 2: in my opinion. If you don't back yourself, you're not
Speaker 2: If you don't back yourself, you're not confident. People they
Speaker 2: can smell it, and they can they can feel it.
Speaker 2: And it's also it's contagious as well.
Speaker 1: It's amazing what an impact our biology has on our psychology.
Speaker 1: And like you said, and confidence and decision making and
Speaker 1: action taking and interpreting data like oh fuck, you know,
Speaker 1: and fear goes up and it's such a I mean,
Speaker 1: and this really illustrates the point that, you know, nothing
Speaker 1: really operates in isolation. Like it's an integrated system. It's
Speaker 1: the human system. Like we're not a mind or a body,
Speaker 1: or an endocrime system or a cardiovascular system or a brain,
Speaker 1: or a job or a bank balance or a you know,
Speaker 1: we're fucking we're all of it all of the time.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's an integrated system. And if one like
Speaker 2: sort of pathway is thrown off, then it can have
Speaker 2: like a downstream effect on different different areas. I was
Speaker 2: actually sort of thinking as well, in some guys that
Speaker 2: have high estrogen, because obviously the testosterone estrogen relationship is
Speaker 2: important to look at and just for the listeners, estrogen,
Speaker 2: just putting this out there, Men do produce estrogen. This
Speaker 2: is a normal, healthy hormone that men produce. We also
Speaker 2: produce testosterone, just in higher quantities than women. Estrogen in
Speaker 2: particular is not something that men should be fearful of
Speaker 2: as well just because we hear about it we associated
Speaker 2: with women. There's a natural conversion that takes place in
Speaker 2: the body where your testosterone gets converted into estrogen. And
Speaker 2: if we decide to perceive that hormone as a no,
Speaker 2: I want to I don't want estrogen in my body.
Speaker 2: I want to be just an alpha male with just
Speaker 2: high testosterone. Let's crush the estrogen. Well, guess what happens
Speaker 2: if you deliberately suppress estrogen production in men, Like if
Speaker 2: you if you block aromatase, which is the enzyme that
Speaker 2: converts it, most guys will feel crackling and sore joints,
Speaker 2: they would get mood swings, they would feel emotionally like,
Speaker 2: just not as emotionally. They're more likely to be numbed
Speaker 2: and like not as emotional and depression anxiety like. It
Speaker 2: actually affects their whole biology. So like you said, there
Speaker 2: these hormones. They're very delicate and they're very like if
Speaker 2: you tweak or manipulate any of them, they can actually
Speaker 2: heavily modify your behavior. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, I've got so many questions for you. If
Speaker 1: only we have lots of time. All right, okay, so
Speaker 1: when we talk about the multitude of variables that impact
Speaker 1: how we look, feel, function, right in our health, let's
Speaker 1: just stay for the moment with well, no, let's go
Speaker 1: with all the physical, mental, emotional health. You know when
Speaker 1: we go, oh, well, there's food, or there's lifestyle, and
Speaker 1: there's training, and there's incidental activity and occupational activity, and
Speaker 1: then there's socialization, and then there's sleep, and then there's
Speaker 1: habits and behaviors booze and drugs and coffee and like,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of variables lucas that impact you know,
Speaker 1: how we work and how we feel and how we
Speaker 1: operate an energy and immune function and all of these things.
Speaker 1: What's maybe a biggie that people don't think about as
Speaker 1: much as maybe they should, or they don't know about perhaps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would have to say light exposure, Like
Speaker 2: the light in our environment. I know, it's like not
Speaker 2: really we don't really sort of think about it, but
Speaker 2: I actually do think that if we're in an environment
Speaker 2: all day where we're surrounded by artificial lights and we're
Speaker 2: inside working, Let's say you just working in a typical
Speaker 2: office job, and you're not actually exposing your body and
Speaker 2: or face to the sun, you're not actually getting that
Speaker 2: external light that actually has a pretty dramatic effect on
Speaker 2: our mood, on our cortisol levels, the stress hormone, It
Speaker 2: can affect our general wellbeing, things like that. So and
Speaker 2: in addition to that, I'd like to mention that at
Speaker 2: night time, we want to be doing the opposite, right,
Speaker 2: we want to be avoiding these bright lights. We want
Speaker 2: to be avoiding specifically the artificial lights, because they can
Speaker 2: actually really dramatically affect our sleep. Right, So, like these
Speaker 2: fluorescent light bulbs. My entire apartment is a red light district.
Speaker 2: Every single light bulb in my apartment is red the
Speaker 2: whole place. Oh yeah, if you come over the bridge
Speaker 2: heading towards for Melbourne, you'll see them. It's just the
Speaker 2: top floor red, the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Hang on, hang on, So you literally have red light
Speaker 1: bulbs in your house.
Speaker 2: I've literally replaced every single light bulb in my apartment
Speaker 2: to make that.
Speaker 1: And is that because you need the joint to be
Speaker 1: illuminated so you don't fucking bump into shit. But you
Speaker 1: don't want I don't know. I'm guessing, what do I know?
Speaker 1: What is it? Why do you do that?
Speaker 2: I think number one, the red light itself creates a
Speaker 2: feeling of relaxation, more like calmness. I know that it's
Speaker 2: not going to negatively affect my sleep as well. So
Speaker 2: even though I've got the illumination, I don't have the
Speaker 2: fact that it's going to suppress my melotonin at nighttime.
Speaker 2: I don't want to suppress my melotonin because I want
Speaker 2: to keep it elevated throughout the nighttime. So the bathroom lights,
Speaker 2: you know, the kitchen, everything's basically and I can change
Speaker 2: them to whatever color I want. You know, you can
Speaker 2: just flick them back to you know, white, to blue,
Speaker 2: to green whatever. If you want to go disco mode,
Speaker 2: go disco mode you want to do.
Speaker 1: This is how That's how old I am. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of you out there buying red light bulbs and screwing
Speaker 1: those motherfuckers. That's how old I am. Okay, so this
Speaker 1: is a whole lighting system that you can pick a color, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It was an It wasn't a cheap fit out, but
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I'm going to be here.
Speaker 2: Think about how many hours I spend at home, Like
Speaker 2: I'm like a spending my most It's a great investment.
Speaker 2: Anything that can improve my sleep, I'm all for it
Speaker 2: because I know that better sleep equals better productivity, better energy.
Speaker 2: I can train harder, I can just do everything better.
Speaker 1: You know, he left turn but almost in the red zone.
Speaker 1: Did you ever read a book called Drunk Tank.
Speaker 2: Pink, Drunk Tank Pink.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, it's really interesting. It's by a guy called
Speaker 1: Adam Alta. I think you would like it, and it
Speaker 1: basically it talks about how your environment. Colors in your
Speaker 1: environment impact you know, everything from thinking to nervous system
Speaker 1: to the crime system. And one of the things they
Speaker 1: found in this basically this drunk tank which is holding
Speaker 1: cells in this city in the US and they did
Speaker 1: this all this research on it was it was one
Speaker 1: of the most violent places in the US, one of
Speaker 1: the most violent cities. And they'd have, you know, every night,
Speaker 1: like a whole bunch of pissed guys and there'd be
Speaker 1: NonStop fucking mayhem. And they took out they what they
Speaker 1: painted all of the cells pink from the gray or
Speaker 1: whatever it was, and that that had an like the
Speaker 1: violence and the fighting and the the shit interaction between
Speaker 1: all the guys who were put in there almost disappeared
Speaker 1: by one hundred percent. It was like, I can't remember
Speaker 1: the science behind it, but it was really interesting. And
Speaker 1: then what was funny because it I think it decreased
Speaker 1: testosterone production or something. That was one of the things
Speaker 1: they found. But what was funny was there were some
Speaker 1: sporting teams who got onto this and they would paint
Speaker 1: the visitors change rooms pink.
Speaker 2: Make sense to try to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was I going to ask you, oh, before
Speaker 1: we jump off testosterone all together? One of the interesting
Speaker 1: things I guess that's happening now is more so in
Speaker 1: the States than here, but it seems like a lot
Speaker 1: of women are being prescribed small amounts of testosterone. Can
Speaker 1: you explain why that is? And the upside or downside? Maybe?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So with women's hormonal health, testosterone is very important
Speaker 2: as well, so in terms of bone mineral density, muscle mass,
Speaker 2: and also their libido as well. So what happens is
Speaker 2: you know, postmenopausal, they have a decline in progesterone, estrogen
Speaker 2: and also testosterone, and that's why applying a very small
Speaker 2: amount of testosterone cream for some women can help to
Speaker 2: restore their ability to build muscle. They just feel better
Speaker 2: mood wise and things like that. So it's a I mean,
Speaker 2: it's been around for years, we've we've been prescribing it
Speaker 2: for years. We have a lot of information data on it.
Speaker 2: I think it should be used in combination with yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of other lifestyle and you know, lifestyle changes
Speaker 2: and also some other supplements as well, just to to
Speaker 2: get the most out of it.
Speaker 1: M Now, let me say before, let me preface what
Speaker 1: I'm about to say. Everyone with I think GPS are great.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, they are. They are. But and
Speaker 1: I've got friends that are GPS and they're great. But
Speaker 1: like any profession, you know, natural paths, personal trainers, exercise scientists, bricklayers,
Speaker 1: TV presenters, there are good ones and not so good ones.
Speaker 1: And there are some that care a lot and some
Speaker 1: don't write. And I think that we have doctors up
Speaker 1: on a pedestal that don't always deserve that pedestal. Right,
Speaker 1: they haven't you know, it's like, well done, you've got
Speaker 1: a medical degree. That's great. But I also think we
Speaker 1: need to understand that that GPS for the most part,
Speaker 1: are generalists. They're not specialists. And like, I find it
Speaker 1: amusing when you know, people say to me, you know,
Speaker 1: like what like my doctor doesn't tell me what exercise
Speaker 1: to do or something like that. I go, well, your
Speaker 1: doctor's done zero hours if he did a typical medical degree,
Speaker 1: he's done zero hours of training and exercise, programming and prescription.
Speaker 1: I've done years of it at university and forty years
Speaker 1: of it in life. Right, So you know, there's that,
Speaker 1: and that's not to say, but it's trying to understand that, oh,
Speaker 1: just because your doctor doesn't know about that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that that's not worth exploring or a potentially valuable protocol
Speaker 1: or treatment because he or she doesn't know about it.
Speaker 1: And it's it's so this, you know, as we head
Speaker 1: into this new territory not so new, but probably new
Speaker 1: to a lot of our listeners of you know, using
Speaker 1: supplements in a bigger and different way and peptides and hormones,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's people some people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's fucking the wild West. And it's like, well, not really,
Speaker 1: but but the average GP isn't trained in that, right,
Speaker 1: They don't really so and it's not that they're dumb,
Speaker 1: and it's not they they you know, like I've had
Speaker 1: some of the doctors that I trained, literally, I've had
Speaker 1: questions from doctors that I trained over the years that
Speaker 1: would blow your head off about you know, like supplements
Speaker 1: and vitamins and creatine and just you know, and even nutrition,
Speaker 1: which is cool, but they're not trained in nutrition either.
Speaker 1: So where are we going with all of it? And
Speaker 1: is it going to become like a lot of the
Speaker 1: stuff that you talk about is not mainstream, is it
Speaker 1: going to become more mainstream? And is it going to
Speaker 1: become more not that it needs to become all acceptable
Speaker 1: or you know, but just so that I feel like
Speaker 1: some shit spoken in hushed tones that doesn't need to
Speaker 1: be you know.
Speaker 2: It's really it's funny you mentioned this because literally yesterday
Speaker 2: I was on Josh Pittman's podcast and he literally said
Speaker 2: the same thing, is like, oh, we're starting to actually
Speaker 2: see that people are like at least more willing to
Speaker 2: talk about this this idea of biohacking. And it's almost
Speaker 2: like it's become a bit more like normalized. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: for me it's bloody exciting because I mean, I've been
Speaker 2: shouting I've been the weird guy for the past five years,
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden, people are actually registering.
Speaker 2: And it's not because of me, it's actually because of
Speaker 2: like people like Joe Rogan, people like doctor Andrew Hupeman,
Speaker 2: people like Ben Greenfield, like these are the guys that
Speaker 2: are really pushing alternative medicine and or like, you know,
Speaker 2: let's think outside the box. Let's actually let's actually acknowledge
Speaker 2: the fact that if you are if you are living
Speaker 2: in a house that has a shitload of mold, moldy walls,
Speaker 2: moldy carpets, moldy bathrooms, and you're feeling like absolute crap,
Speaker 2: a doctor's not going to really know they don't have
Speaker 2: a drug that directly fixes that mold toxicity. You need
Speaker 2: to think outside the box. So this is why I think,
Speaker 2: I mean everything that I do is basically I'm spreading
Speaker 2: a lot of information out there around all sorts of
Speaker 2: health protocols, all sorts of health intervengeance, and it's up
Speaker 2: to the individual to say, you know what, yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: I might try that, or you know what, like, let's
Speaker 2: maybe consider this. There might be something worth trying. And
Speaker 2: I never tell people that they have to adhere to
Speaker 2: everything that I post about, because I burst about a
Speaker 2: lot of shit, and it's and it's it's overwhelming even
Speaker 2: for me to say that I do it all. But
Speaker 2: you take, you pick and choose the ones that you
Speaker 2: think are relevant to you. You give things a try.
Speaker 2: If they don't work, don't do it. If it does work,
Speaker 2: keep doing it. That's that's my mentality around it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I always say to people, you
Speaker 1: don't need to be a scientist to be scientific. Like
Speaker 1: it's like you said before with your testicles and equals
Speaker 1: one where you go, all right, well, why don't you
Speaker 1: do you know, sally, why don't you do this? Why
Speaker 1: don't you cut out bread for a week and just
Speaker 1: see what happens?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Or why don't you why don't you do weight training
Speaker 1: three times a week for thirty minutes? Do that for
Speaker 1: ten weeks, Get some you know, base line data at
Speaker 1: the start, get some kind of strength testing done, and
Speaker 1: some kind of subjective you know, emotional and psychological evaluation
Speaker 1: if you can. And then because and The other thing
Speaker 1: too with all of this, of course made is you know,
Speaker 1: I eat something and it's great. You eat the same
Speaker 1: thing and you feel sick, or you take a supplement
Speaker 1: and it's fucking amazing for you and for me it
Speaker 1: does nothing. So understanding this relationship between stimulus and response
Speaker 1: and individual you know, biological and genetic variability. Is that
Speaker 1: the same stimulus or the same drug or the same
Speaker 1: peptide or the same meal or you know, some people
Speaker 1: drink milk and they're like, oh, that's the best thing ever,
Speaker 1: and some people are gagging for an hour after half
Speaker 1: a glass of milk because they're not producing in our
Speaker 1: flac tas or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Right, we speak the same we speak the same language, Craig,
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. Just how like, yeah, what you're mentioning there
Speaker 2: is like basically exactly what I've been trying to, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: educate people on and.
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I think it's a crime.
Speaker 3: I'm speaking metaphorically that that educated in inverted Comma's knowledgeable
Speaker 3: experts in inverted Comma's asterisk discourage people from trial and error.
Speaker 1: Like now I'm not saying be reckless with this, but
Speaker 1: you know. Imagine if we all learned how our body
Speaker 1: works optimally because we open our awareness and we start
Speaker 1: to go all right, well, I'm gonna I'm going to
Speaker 1: really track some data. I'm going to try this thing,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to see what my body tells me.
Speaker 1: Because my body is way smarter than me. It's its
Speaker 1: own form of intelligence. Maybe I should listen.
Speaker 2: I think if anyone's listening to this and they hear
Speaker 2: you say that, I think it's really going to resonate.
Speaker 2: And that's that's what That's what enables better our comes
Speaker 2: for in every area without minimal drawbacks as well. You're
Speaker 2: just being very like the way that you're approaching it is,
Speaker 2: you're just being pragmatic. You're just being really simplified. It
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be complex health. Health can be complex, yes,
Speaker 2: but adhering to the fundamentals and going back to basics
Speaker 2: in some regard can be life changing. I mean, I
Speaker 2: mentioned the reason why I mentioned light exposure in our environment.
Speaker 2: You sort of mentioned like, what's one that sticks out
Speaker 2: to people that maybe they haven't considered. That's one that
Speaker 2: that sticks out to me that I think maybe people
Speaker 2: haven't considered. But otherwise, if you said, what's really going
Speaker 2: to move the needle the most? And I would say,
Speaker 2: go back to your foundation, sleep, good diet, exercise, stress management,
Speaker 2: and good social connections. I think if you've got all
Speaker 2: five of those, then you're going to be living to
Speaker 2: one hundred.
Speaker 1: And pay attention to how your body responds and reacts
Speaker 1: to different shit that's going on on planet you. It's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I have people who walk into a room
Speaker 1: that I talk to. They walk into a room, their
Speaker 1: heart rate goes up, their blood pressure goes up, their
Speaker 1: respiration increases, and for them, some people, just being in
Speaker 1: proximity of certain people is literally bad for their health. Like,
Speaker 1: we don't think about shit like that. Like I say
Speaker 1: to people, you it doesn't matter how much you're getting paid,
Speaker 1: if you work in a toxic culture or a toxic
Speaker 1: workplace or environment around toxic people, get the fuck out.
Speaker 1: The money is not worth it because that shit will
Speaker 1: literally kill you.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. I I mean, I've tried to communicate that
Speaker 2: to some individuals, but I like, of course there's a
Speaker 2: lot of when they're in that position. It's easy for
Speaker 2: us to say that because you love your job, I
Speaker 2: love my job. Did you escape a job that you hated.
Speaker 2: I don't know, did.
Speaker 1: You just I mean, yeah, look I didn't hate it.
Speaker 1: I just I have this revelation. When I was really young, mate,
Speaker 1: I was twenty two three working in gyms, running gyms.
Speaker 1: I was managing gym's centers when I was twenty two
Speaker 1: and it was good, but I just realized, I don't
Speaker 1: want to boss. I don't want to have to turn
Speaker 1: up at a place at a time and then work
Speaker 1: to another time and then do that five days a week.
Speaker 1: And I always say, it's not that it's bad, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't ideal for me, and it definitely wasn't a
Speaker 1: toxic workplace. But just the idea of clocking on, clocking
Speaker 1: off and essentially doing a form of the same thing
Speaker 1: for a very long time, like years or decades. I'm like,
Speaker 1: fuck that, I need to figure out how I can
Speaker 1: just do shit that I love that also is a
Speaker 1: service to people and also makes me enough money so
Speaker 1: that I'm okay. I had no aspirations to be you know,
Speaker 1: I ended up employing five hundred trainers and had the
Speaker 1: biggest personal training business in Australia for a while. That
Speaker 1: definitely wasn't my goal that was just a fun byproduct
Speaker 1: of just diving into the shit that I loved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's really profound. It makes me, It
Speaker 2: makes me sit here and wonder and just like really deeply,
Speaker 2: because sometimes I just get so very deep into my
Speaker 2: work and my business that I can't even zoom out
Speaker 2: and be like, Gee, what a great opportunity that I
Speaker 2: have in my life. Like, I'm so grateful that I
Speaker 2: literally get to do my hobby. It was my hobby
Speaker 2: as my main job. Like I cannot believe that, you know,
Speaker 2: moving to Dubai to further grow myself and expand and
Speaker 2: reach more people in the world. It's just such a
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful and it's a good reminder just to like, yeah,
Speaker 2: because I can't imagine how much it would eat you
Speaker 2: up inside if you did a job that you really
Speaker 2: that you just really really didn't enjoy, or it just
Speaker 2: you knew it wasn't right for you.
Speaker 1: Kind of awareness I reckon, you know, I say to people,
Speaker 1: whatever you are in the middle of, whether or not
Speaker 1: that's doing a PhD, or whether or not that's a job,
Speaker 1: or whether or not that's your own business, or whether
Speaker 1: or not it's a specific relationship. What is the emotional
Speaker 1: and psychological and physiological byproduct of that thing that you're in, Like,
Speaker 1: for the most part, is it a positive psychologically, emotionally
Speaker 1: and physiologically. And if it is, like you and I
Speaker 1: have this beautiful thing, that my work and your work
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like work, right, And for many people, a
Speaker 1: lot of people have a similar situation. But for many
Speaker 1: people that's not the case. And I often say to people,
Speaker 1: In fact, I did a gig last week where I
Speaker 1: was in front of hundred people, hundreds of people doing
Speaker 1: a corporate thing, and we're talking about this thing. So
Speaker 1: people talk about work life balance. I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: hijacking your time, mate. I'm sorry, that's fine. We talk
Speaker 1: about work life balance. I talk about a concept. I
Speaker 1: created this. I don't know if other people use it,
Speaker 1: but I call it work impact. And the question is
Speaker 1: not how many hours do you work and not work?
Speaker 1: And if we get this kind of seesaw or these
Speaker 1: scales of work hours and non work hours, have we
Speaker 1: got the right numbers?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Fuck that? Because you could do twenty hours a week
Speaker 1: of a job, which is not many hours, but you
Speaker 1: hate every fucking minute, Well that's the worst job in
Speaker 1: the world, or you could do sixty seventy hours a
Speaker 1: week of something that gives you joy and purpose and
Speaker 1: focus and connection and love and empowerment and growth. Well, fuck,
Speaker 1: give me eighty hours. You know. It's like everybody thinks
Speaker 1: it's about numbers. That's the dumbest shit ever. It's like,
Speaker 1: what am I doing and what's the consequence on my body, mind, emotions,
Speaker 1: and soul. Perhaps it's at your belief system, spirit. What's
Speaker 1: the consequence? Is it good? Is it bad? If it's bad,
Speaker 1: then tweak it adjusted or get the fuck out of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I can resonate with that so so strongly.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's it's really like I'm if I
Speaker 2: had to frame and perceive my life in terms of
Speaker 2: how you sort of mentioned it. They're like, and you
Speaker 2: can ask my parents because when I was still living
Speaker 2: at home during lockdown, like that was a really critical
Speaker 2: time for myself in my in my business. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was obviously the first couple of years of my business.
Speaker 2: So I was like in the mom and dad's garage, right,
Speaker 2: I was working for mom and dad's garage. Wow, dude,
Speaker 2: and I was basically they were they were genuinely at
Speaker 2: one point concerned for me because they're like, you've worked,
Speaker 2: Like they said to me, you know, we're you gonna this.
Speaker 2: This was after lockdown, so we were allowed to go out,
Speaker 2: go out and be out and do things. And it
Speaker 2: was Friday night, and I remember a mom sort of
Speaker 2: saying to me, She's like, oh, don't you want to
Speaker 2: go out tonight, or you know, don't you want to
Speaker 2: see your friends or something like that, And I was like,
Speaker 2: to be honest, I'm really loving what I'm doing here.
Speaker 2: Like I know, I've been working like probably sixty seventy
Speaker 2: hours this week so far, but I'm just I'm building
Speaker 2: something here, and I'm really I'm hyper obsessed. That's definitely
Speaker 2: one thing about me is that, like the there's autistic
Speaker 2: traits for sure within me because I'm so hyper locked
Speaker 2: in and hyper focused on this mission. And it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think, but like you said, it just that didn't
Speaker 2: feel like work for me. It really didn't feel like work.
Speaker 2: There was so much enjoyment. I got so much excitement
Speaker 2: and enjoyment from it that it just there really didn't
Speaker 2: feel like work at all.
Speaker 1: I think one of the silly things, but understandable, very
Speaker 1: human things that that we do is we look at
Speaker 1: someone else's habits or behavior or work hours or lifestyle.
Speaker 1: We look at it through our lens. Yeah, and through
Speaker 1: our lens. Oh, that's irrational, or that's too much lucas,
Speaker 1: or that's unhealthy. And quite often the person who's been
Speaker 1: critical of you has a job they fucking hate. They're
Speaker 1: saying it to themselves it's physically, mentally and emotionally unwell.
Speaker 1: And you the dude who's doing something that you know,
Speaker 1: takes lots of you know, and it's not to be
Speaker 1: critical of anyone, but it's just projection.
Speaker 2: It's projection, isn't it? Like yes, spread out.
Speaker 1: Projection one hundred percent, And it's like and also, you know,
Speaker 1: the thing that would be, you know, for me standing
Speaker 1: in front of a room full of people talking about
Speaker 1: you know, stuff we're talking about right now, just like,
Speaker 1: what's it all about? Fucking what's the meaning of life
Speaker 1: and me? And how do I manage me optimally? Like literally,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about most of my life is
Speaker 1: how do I and you how do we? How do
Speaker 1: we live optimally? What does that mean? How do I
Speaker 1: manage me? How do I manage my mind, my emotions,
Speaker 1: my behaviors, my body, my choices, my outcomes. How do
Speaker 1: I do that? What am I doing great? What's work
Speaker 1: and what's not? Like these are fundamental questions and in
Speaker 1: the middle of that, like there's no work like this is.
Speaker 1: But I understand, you know, when I'm up on a
Speaker 1: stage talking, I feel like I'm in my natural habitat.
Speaker 1: I feel like and that's maybe because I'm an ex fat,
Speaker 1: fucking only child who needs attention. Maybe that's a bit
Speaker 1: of it, right, But I just love being up there.
Speaker 1: And for other people that would be the most terrifying scenario,
Speaker 1: and for them that would actually be a bad thing.
Speaker 1: For me, it's a great thing. And that just speaks
Speaker 1: back to our point about it's not about the thing,
Speaker 1: but rather your response to the thing, and whether or
Speaker 1: not that thing is a job or a macro nutrient
Speaker 1: you know, or a supplement, it's still about how you
Speaker 1: and it interact.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I love how you mentioned the perspective like
Speaker 2: it depends which lens you're looking at it from, because yeah,
Speaker 2: like I can just had people yeah mentioned to me
Speaker 2: as well, like, you know, you can't be working that much.
Speaker 2: You need to go out what about you know, it
Speaker 2: depends like everyone's got a different level of like tolerance
Speaker 2: as well, with like some people have generally, I think
Speaker 2: some people have like enormous amounts of energy. Like I
Speaker 2: think you're someone to me, I perceive you as like
Speaker 2: a very high energy dude, like you're and you're still
Speaker 2: still going strong, like even they've been at it for
Speaker 2: many many years, like you're you're a bloody beast, greg
Speaker 2: like you're still brushing it in every area. I think
Speaker 2: genetically as well, I think some people, I think some
Speaker 2: people just have a bigger cup. I do think that
Speaker 2: maybe you'll say, but I've built the cup and I've
Speaker 2: actually made the cup bigger because I've done this, this
Speaker 2: and this and you know, but yeah, it's an interesting
Speaker 2: it's an interesting perspective because I think about like the
Speaker 2: things that drain your cup. For example, I know for myself,
Speaker 2: it's when i'm doing it's when I'm doing the work
Speaker 2: that I don't want to do and they really don't enjoy.
Speaker 2: That is what sucks the energy out of me. Whereas
Speaker 2: when I'm actually doing the work that I love doing it,
Speaker 2: actually it's almost like the cup doesn't even drain it
Speaker 2: just stays there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I talk about this thing mate called anti goals, right,
Speaker 1: And I think it's good to get clear about what
Speaker 1: you don't want because once you get clear about what
Speaker 1: you don't want, because like so many people will come
Speaker 1: to me and say something like, you know, they're forty
Speaker 1: years old or they're fifty years old, and they say,
Speaker 1: a version of this wasn't my plan, you know, like
Speaker 1: essentially where they're at in their life or with their
Speaker 1: body or their business or their money or their whatever, right,
Speaker 1: and which is cool, And my audience is sick of
Speaker 1: me saying that this next bit. But then I say
Speaker 1: to them, can I see the plan? And they go, what,
Speaker 1: I go, the plan of which you speak grasshopper, Can
Speaker 1: I see it? Well, there's no fucking plan. There was
Speaker 1: just an idea of how things would work out, right.
Speaker 1: But I think that when you go like I used
Speaker 1: to watch all my mates get pissed and fall down
Speaker 1: when we were young, right, drinking booze from sixteen and
Speaker 1: I and this is not a judgment, but this was
Speaker 1: just a personal awareness for me. I just went, I
Speaker 1: don't want to do that, right, So that's cool that
Speaker 1: they do. And maybe when I'm twenty old drink. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm just because I was training like a maniac when
Speaker 1: I was fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, and I thought I was
Speaker 1: going to be the next big thing, and of course
Speaker 1: I never was, but you know, I was training like
Speaker 1: a maniac, and so it never like the idea of
Speaker 1: getting pissed and falling down and putting alcohol, which is
Speaker 1: essentially poison in my body held less than zero appeal.
Speaker 1: So it required no discipline or self control like at all,
Speaker 1: and people like, oh, you're so even now, People go,
Speaker 1: it's amazing, you've never had a drink so much self control.
Speaker 1: I go, fucking no self control because it it's like
Speaker 1: for me, it's like you could go, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't punch yourself in the face such self control.
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't hold any appeal to me, But
Speaker 1: I think once you get and it's not that, by
Speaker 1: the way, not that people shouldn't drink, and not that
Speaker 1: people shouldn't have a regular nine to five job, and
Speaker 1: not that people shouldn't do anything particularly, but when you know,
Speaker 1: for you, like I know for me that two meals
Speaker 1: a day works good, but I wouldn't suggest that for everyone.
Speaker 1: I know what supplements work for me. I know how
Speaker 1: much sleep works for me. I know when my brain
Speaker 1: works best during my cycle. I know when I'm most
Speaker 1: productive and I can focus the best, and what type
Speaker 1: of work is best to do it, what time of day,
Speaker 1: when I should lift weights, when I should walk when,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's because my body taught me, you know,
Speaker 1: and I pay attention.
Speaker 2: I think what you mentioned there around like just just
Speaker 2: paying attention to the to the feedback your body gives you.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, there's there is that like subjective feedback
Speaker 2: that you can get and then you can also I
Speaker 2: mean there's the objective feedback, which is the stuff that
Speaker 2: I'm sort of like really hard on, which is the
Speaker 2: blood testing and you know, making sure your vitamin D
Speaker 2: is in the right range. Like you can't feel. It's
Speaker 2: not like you can say, yeah, I can feel my
Speaker 2: vitamin d's a bit low, Like you can't. I've woken up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I just feel I don't know if something
Speaker 2: feels off, Yeah, maybe my vitamin D is a bit low.
Speaker 2: Like you can't really do that, but yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think marrying the two, the subjective and objective, is
Speaker 2: just get the best bang for buck and so that
Speaker 2: you can just continue doing good to society, you can
Speaker 2: continue showing up the best version of yourself. Like that's
Speaker 2: what you're all about, which is very similar to what
Speaker 2: I adhere to as well.
Speaker 1: You know, you said something before, you know, when you're
Speaker 1: talking about we're talking about maybe some of the most
Speaker 1: overlooked fundamentals for health, and you spoke about you know,
Speaker 1: just getting outside in in daylight and some you know,
Speaker 1: out of the fucking office. I am about eight months ago. Now,
Speaker 1: apologies to my listeners, but I was my phone. My
Speaker 1: phone dinged, and it basically said to me, you're not
Speaker 1: walking many steps, right, you know how it tracks it basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: whent get the funk off your ass? And it gave
Speaker 1: me a kind of a report of how many steps
Speaker 1: I'd walked in the previous three months on average per day.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to tell you, but I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you. It was like fucking four and a
Speaker 1: half thousand or something. And I'm like, shit, am I
Speaker 1: one hundred years old?
Speaker 2: The daily average? Ye?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, right, So I know wow, And this
Speaker 1: is the guy that trains every day at the gym
Speaker 1: and all that shit. But I spend so much time
Speaker 1: doing podcasts, doing research, finishing my study, writing emails, writing
Speaker 1: you know, business shit. Anyway, that's but my bad, completely
Speaker 1: my fault, no excuses, they're completely my fault. So I went, oh,
Speaker 1: that's fucking terrifying. I didn't realize, and so I just
Speaker 1: said to myself, well, from tomorrow forever, from tomorrow forever,
Speaker 1: the worst is going to be ten thousand, the worst,
Speaker 1: the minimum, the minimum, the minimum. And so every day,
Speaker 1: you know, I think my average since that day has
Speaker 1: been around fourteen thousand, right, thirteen fourteen.
Speaker 2: Thousands that week? Is that without getting like a treadmill desk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's just I literally go for
Speaker 1: walks and I what I've done is I go, ah,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, say, I'm doing a coaching session with somebody.
Speaker 1: At midday, I message them and say, is it all
Speaker 1: right with you if I walk and talk? And they're
Speaker 1: always like yeah, of course yeah.
Speaker 2: In mind.
Speaker 1: So either where it's physically walking and talking, but usually
Speaker 1: it's it's virtually walking and talking. And here's the funny thing.
Speaker 1: I reckon when I'm walking and I've got headphones in
Speaker 1: and I'm talking to someone, I reckon I coach better Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm more present, I'm more focused, I reckon, I'm better
Speaker 1: value for them when I'm not just sitting in a
Speaker 1: fucking room where i can daydream because my mind's like
Speaker 1: a dog with three dicks, right, Trying to focus it
Speaker 1: is a fucking effort. But when I'm out and about,
Speaker 1: I tend to be more present. But the other thing
Speaker 1: I was going to say to you a dawned on
Speaker 1: me when you were talking about being outdoors. And since
Speaker 1: I've done that, I feel, you know, this is impossible
Speaker 1: to CONTI fire, but as you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: all around thirty percent better. And I think part of
Speaker 1: that is also because I'm just outside, Like I'm probably
Speaker 1: outside just walking two hours a day.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And I do that in installments. You know, It's like
Speaker 1: I'm at the cafe at six thirty in the morning,
Speaker 1: but I'll walk for forty five minutes before I get there, right,
Speaker 1: you know, when I finish with you, I've got another
Speaker 1: podcast soon after that. I will go walk for an hour,
Speaker 1: but I will answer emails, I will do I will
Speaker 1: talk to Melissa who runs my life, will do a
Speaker 1: planning session. I'll respond to some phone calls. So I'm
Speaker 1: walking and working, but it's I'm actually out, so I
Speaker 1: feel like that. Yeah, as you said that, I thought
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's not just the walking, maybe it's just
Speaker 1: being out.
Speaker 2: And they could be Yeah, I thought about that as well,
Speaker 2: because I've actually I invested into a treadmill desk during
Speaker 2: the start of lockdown, and I mean it was because
Speaker 2: I was working from the garage. The garage door would
Speaker 2: be open, so I'd get the I was like semi
Speaker 2: indoor outdoor, you know, because I've got the carriage door open.
Speaker 2: The treadmill desk is facing outside the garage, so I've
Speaker 2: got the light coming in. And I tried to replicate
Speaker 2: that now in the apartment that I mean, obviously I
Speaker 2: don't have a garage. Is I'm my top floor of
Speaker 2: the apartment building. But my treadmill I can't show you now,
Speaker 2: but basically it's to my left here. It's pointing out
Speaker 2: to the window, so I'm literally walking towards the light
Speaker 2: and I've got another screen above me, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: when I take the I was actually gonna I was actually,
Speaker 2: funnily enough, going to take this podcast on the treadmill
Speaker 2: just to be a bit of a show off and
Speaker 2: to say you know, look look at me, Craig. Third
Speaker 2: time round. I've leveled up again.
Speaker 1: And I'm Ben Greenfield and I've just pushing the limits.
Speaker 2: But I've I've done a few podcasts on there before,
Speaker 2: but I've trained, I went to the gym, train legs.
Speaker 1: Sorry when you said walking towards the light, it reminded
Speaker 1: me of a near death experience. Go and finish that
Speaker 1: you were trying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I hit legs this morning, and I
Speaker 2: hit them really hard. So I'm like, I've only had
Speaker 2: one meal and i got to do it. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to do the podcast on the treadmill whilst I'm
Speaker 2: talking to Craig because i hit legs super hard this morning,
Speaker 2: and I've got a shipload of other meetings and things today,
Speaker 2: so I'm not going to burn out to too early,
Speaker 2: too fast. But i can tell you now what you
Speaker 2: said about doing the consulting where you're actually walking outside
Speaker 2: and you're actually better value for your clients. Man, I
Speaker 2: can resonate with that because I'm actually feel like i'm
Speaker 2: way less adhd. I'm using that word. I'm more focused
Speaker 2: when I'm walking and talking, and there's i mean, there's
Speaker 2: science behind it. It's related to blood flow, lymphatics, you know,
Speaker 2: increasing BDNF all that sort of jazz. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that's a Could you imagine just how much healthier
Speaker 2: are the entire population? Just take a think about this.
Speaker 2: Imagine if we increased Imagine if we increased the globe
Speaker 2: the Australian average number of steps per day by just
Speaker 2: an extra five to seven thousand steps per day. By
Speaker 2: enforcing that every single office has a treadmill, like a
Speaker 2: tread more desk feature, could you imagine the reduced burden
Speaker 2: on the entire healthcare system of Australia. I'm I'm talking
Speaker 2: about a potential massive reduction in blood pressure medications. I'm
Speaker 2: talking reductions in blood sugar, reductions in inflammatory diseases. Like
Speaker 2: it's literally just from walking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, it's It's incredible. Oh I love chatting to you.
Speaker 2: We have to organize a funny mate.
Speaker 1: I had so many things to talk to you about.
Speaker 1: I've got another podcast in a minute or two that
Speaker 1: i didn't even get to. But I this is going
Speaker 1: to sound weird. I should say this off the podcast,
Speaker 1: but I'll say it on. I've enjoyed, I've enjoyed all
Speaker 1: of our chats, but I've enjoyed this one the most.
Speaker 1: So Lucas is at ergogenic at Ergogenic Underscore Health at
Speaker 1: Ergogenic Underscore Health on Insta, Luke has owen spelt a
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Speaker 1: u N. Where else can people get you? Mate?
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Craig. So if they search boost your
Speaker 2: biology on YouTube, there's a there's over a thousand videos
Speaker 2: of Golden health content there, So yeah, boost your biology
Speaker 2: on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Hey mate, we'll say goodbye affair, but once again,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for your time on the You project.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you and you're a soup star.
Speaker 2: Pleasure is always Craig, and I'm looking forward to collaborating again.
Speaker 1: Thanks buddy.
Speaker 2: Awesome