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Speaker 1: I got you, Bloody Champions. Welcome back to another installment

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Speaker 1: of your favorite show. And if it isn't, why the

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Speaker 1: fuck isn't it it should be. It's me, Fatty Harps.

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Speaker 1: It is the You Project.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 1: It's a Thursday in Melbourne. It's the fifteenth of the

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Speaker 1: fifth I feel like I'm back on radio. I'm sounding

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Speaker 1: very much like a radio announcer at the moment. I'll

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Speaker 1: just do a weather check, a station ID and a

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Speaker 1: time check and then we're doing radio. I've got to

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Speaker 1: stop that bullshit and get back into podcaster mode. Hi,

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Speaker 1: Lucas Radio Show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, funny, funny to be back again for the

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Speaker 2: third time.

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Speaker 1: It's nice to see you. I can see you, our

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Speaker 1: listeners can't. But it's nice to connect with you again.

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Speaker 1: And I was just talking. We were just chatting off

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Speaker 1: here about among other things. But like somebody like you

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Speaker 1: who's quite knowledgeable, you know, very knowledgeable in the space

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Speaker 1: that you inhabit, the ever present challenge is trying to

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Speaker 1: share thoughts and ideas and science and research in a

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Speaker 1: way that's really resonant with people who don't do all

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Speaker 1: the research and the science, which is most of us,

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Speaker 1: and try to make it understandable. Is that when you're

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Speaker 1: coaching people, or when you're doing corporate gigs or health

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Speaker 1: industry gigs or in front of any audience, how much

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Speaker 1: do you have to be mindful of do they fucking

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Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying?

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Speaker 2: Oh look, I was actually thinking about the way that

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Speaker 2: I when I communicate abstract ideas or any sort of

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Speaker 2: scientific jug and you know what I try and do.

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Speaker 2: The number one thing that I try and do is

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Speaker 2: I try and get them to think about something that

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Speaker 2: they already know and then build upon something that they

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Speaker 2: already know. I just realized that's probably like my number

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Speaker 2: one skill is when I communicate something like if I'm

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Speaker 2: introducing a sleep supplement to somebody who doesn't know anything

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Speaker 2: about supplements, but they might know a little bit, then

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Speaker 2: I'll lean on the fact that they might know a

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Speaker 2: little bit, and that little bit might be oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've heard that magnesium is good before sleep. So what

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Speaker 2: I'll do when I communicate that, I'm saying, hey, by

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Speaker 2: the way, this herbal extract works similarly to magnesium. Then

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Speaker 2: their ears perk up. Yeah, Like that's I just realized

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Speaker 2: that's probably my number one skill is being able to

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Speaker 2: like link things. And I also communicate to people. I

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Speaker 2: if their level of knowledge is like quite high or

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think also, like, if you're talking to

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Speaker 1: people about shit that's relevant to them, like, oh, like

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Speaker 1: how many people have shit sleep? Not just nearly everyone, right,

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Speaker 1: So the moment that you go, let's talk about how

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Speaker 1: to have better shit sleep, everyone pricks there is a

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Speaker 1: it's an issue, you know, like energy is an issue,

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Speaker 1: cognitive function is an issue. You know for half the population,

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Speaker 1: having a dick that works periodically is an issue. Like

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Speaker 1: one of the funniest things. How many times have I

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Speaker 1: seen you talking about icing your balls and the ball

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Speaker 1: icing protocol? Let's start there. So let's start there. Let's

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Speaker 1: do a deep dive, and keeping in mind that seventy

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Speaker 1: No, it might might be interesting. Nonetheless, So what what's

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Speaker 1: the what's the science behind the icing of one's testicles?

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Speaker 2: Like why does applying ice to a man's testes actually

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Speaker 2: like actual scientific term called nocturnal scrotal cooling, which is

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Speaker 2: myself and end of one experiment and I'm like, you

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Speaker 2: to do a blood test before and after twelve weeks

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Speaker 2: actually legitimate science behind this. These guys have been running experiments,

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Speaker 2: They've done blood work. I've seen their blood work before

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Speaker 2: and after, and it just really helps. So it's a

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Speaker 2: guys don't want to jump onto TRT, they might consider

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Speaker 2: doing this in combination with supplements and you know, weightlifting

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Speaker 1: And I will mention everyone that this is not this

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Speaker 1: is not some bullfed who's just been doing pseudoscience. Lucas

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Speaker 1: is an internationally renowned natural path educator. I wrote this

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Speaker 1: for you before Dispenser of Dispenser of pseudoscience, maker of

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Speaker 1: ups and force for good not evil. So that can

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Speaker 1: be your new bio. I like it all right, So

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Speaker 1: everyone's going, I'm sure, so nocturnal scrotal cooling and best

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Speaker 1: name ever, that could be the name of the show.

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Speaker 1: What how do we what do we have a little

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Speaker 1: What do we how do we actually do we straddle

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Speaker 2: You know, I've had that many people come in on

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Speaker 2: just literally grab you know those like flexible ice packs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Does it hurt? It seems like it's gonna hurt a

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Speaker 2: You're I mean, if you're applying it up against the underwear,

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Speaker 2: like skin burn. Yeah, but no, a lot of guys

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Speaker 2: jolting effect. But yeah, I've been researching it a little

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Speaker 2: of vasodilation vasoconstriction, So the blood vessels vasoconstrict, and then

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Speaker 2: And that was one of the theories. But actually there's

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Speaker 1: We'll get ladies, We'll get off testosterone very soon, because

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Speaker 1: although I do want to ask you about ladies and

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Speaker 1: testosterone in a moment, but I was it you I

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Speaker 1: the average testosterone thirty or forty years ago was five

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Speaker 1: sixty seven or something or that was considered low. What

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Speaker 2: sixty seven nanograms per desoletter, right, and.

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Speaker 1: That was considered low. And now in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: Oh it's crazy, Like it depends where you are in

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Speaker 2: the world. In Australia they have a different cutoff reference range.

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Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety nanograms per desolator and that goes

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Speaker 2: ago it actually used to go up to like fourteen hundred,

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Speaker 2: I rarely see guys that are natural that have testosterone

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Speaker 2: above a thousand. It's very very rare. Even if the

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Speaker 1: And that's someone who's young, super healthy, got good genetics,

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Speaker 1: not smokeing, not you know what I mean. This is

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Speaker 1: a very for you, a very simple question. But and

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Speaker 1: we could talk about this for now, we're not going to.

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Speaker 1: But what are some of the potential consequences of men

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Speaker 1: having low testosterone? I know they're a myriad, and I

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Speaker 1: know there's some very well known ones, but just you know,

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Speaker 1: like just humorous. So there's physiological, emotional, psychological, and cognitive

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Speaker 1: consequences or potential consequences. Just walk us through a few

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I like the mental side the most

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Speaker 2: because you love the mental side as well, because you

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Speaker 2: know that's your sort of background. But for me, it's

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Speaker 2: so profound. When I talk to guys that have low testosterone,

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Speaker 2: struggle to have that level of like resilience. They're more hesitant,

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Speaker 2: and you see, you can actually see I don't want

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Speaker 1: So where are we going with all of it? And

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Speaker 1: is it going to become like a lot of the

431
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Speaker 1: stuff that you talk about is not mainstream, is it

432
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Speaker 1: going to become more mainstream? And is it going to

433
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: become more not that it needs to become all acceptable

434
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Speaker 1: or you know, but just so that I feel like

435
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: some shit spoken in hushed tones that doesn't need to

436
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Speaker 1: be you know.

437
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Speaker 2: It's really it's funny you mentioned this because literally yesterday

438
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: I was on Josh Pittman's podcast and he literally said

439
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Speaker 2: the same thing, is like, oh, we're starting to actually

440
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: see that people are like at least more willing to

441
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: talk about this this idea of biohacking. And it's almost

442
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: like it's become a bit more like normalized. Yeah, And

443
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 2: for me it's bloody exciting because I mean, I've been

444
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: shouting I've been the weird guy for the past five years,

445
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden, people are actually registering.

446
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: And it's not because of me, it's actually because of

447
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: like people like Joe Rogan, people like doctor Andrew Hupeman,

448
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 2: people like Ben Greenfield, like these are the guys that

449
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 2: are really pushing alternative medicine and or like, you know,

450
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: let's think outside the box. Let's actually let's actually acknowledge

451
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: the fact that if you are if you are living

452
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Speaker 2: in a house that has a shitload of mold, moldy walls,

453
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 2: moldy carpets, moldy bathrooms, and you're feeling like absolute crap,

454
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: a doctor's not going to really know they don't have

455
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 2: a drug that directly fixes that mold toxicity. You need

456
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: to think outside the box. So this is why I think,

457
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Speaker 2: I mean everything that I do is basically I'm spreading

458
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Speaker 2: a lot of information out there around all sorts of

459
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Speaker 2: health protocols, all sorts of health intervengeance, and it's up

460
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Speaker 2: to the individual to say, you know what, yeah, maybe

461
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: I might try that, or you know what, like, let's

462
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: maybe consider this. There might be something worth trying. And

463
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: I never tell people that they have to adhere to

464
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: everything that I post about, because I burst about a

465
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: lot of shit, and it's and it's it's overwhelming even

466
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: for me to say that I do it all. But

467
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: you take, you pick and choose the ones that you

468
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: think are relevant to you. You give things a try.

469
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: If they don't work, don't do it. If it does work,

470
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: keep doing it. That's that's my mentality around it.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I always say to people, you

472
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: don't need to be a scientist to be scientific. Like

473
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: it's like you said before with your testicles and equals

474
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Speaker 1: one where you go, all right, well, why don't you

475
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: do you know, sally, why don't you do this? Why

476
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: don't you cut out bread for a week and just

477
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Speaker 1: see what happens?

478
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: You know?

479
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: Or why don't you why don't you do weight training

480
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: three times a week for thirty minutes? Do that for

481
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Speaker 1: ten weeks, Get some you know, base line data at

482
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Speaker 1: the start, get some kind of strength testing done, and

483
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: some kind of subjective you know, emotional and psychological evaluation

484
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Speaker 1: if you can. And then because and The other thing

485
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: too with all of this, of course made is you know,

486
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: I eat something and it's great. You eat the same

487
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: thing and you feel sick, or you take a supplement

488
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: and it's fucking amazing for you and for me it

489
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Speaker 1: does nothing. So understanding this relationship between stimulus and response

490
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: and individual you know, biological and genetic variability. Is that

491
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: the same stimulus or the same drug or the same

492
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Speaker 1: peptide or the same meal or you know, some people

493
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: drink milk and they're like, oh, that's the best thing ever,

494
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: and some people are gagging for an hour after half

495
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Speaker 1: a glass of milk because they're not producing in our

496
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Speaker 1: flac tas or whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: Right, we speak the same we speak the same language, Craig,

498
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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. Just how like, yeah, what you're mentioning there

499
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: is like basically exactly what I've been trying to, like, yeah,

500
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: educate people on and.

501
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I think it's a crime.

502
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Speaker 3: I'm speaking metaphorically that that educated in inverted Comma's knowledgeable

503
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: experts in inverted Comma's asterisk discourage people from trial and error.

504
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Speaker 1: Like now I'm not saying be reckless with this, but

505
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: you know. Imagine if we all learned how our body

506
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: works optimally because we open our awareness and we start

507
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: to go all right, well, I'm gonna I'm going to

508
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: really track some data. I'm going to try this thing,

509
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: and I'm going to see what my body tells me.

510
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: Because my body is way smarter than me. It's its

511
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: own form of intelligence. Maybe I should listen.

512
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Speaker 2: I think if anyone's listening to this and they hear

513
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: you say that, I think it's really going to resonate.

514
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Speaker 2: And that's that's what That's what enables better our comes

515
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: for in every area without minimal drawbacks as well. You're

516
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: just being very like the way that you're approaching it is,

517
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: you're just being pragmatic. You're just being really simplified. It

518
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be complex health. Health can be complex, yes,

519
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: but adhering to the fundamentals and going back to basics

520
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: in some regard can be life changing. I mean, I

521
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: mentioned the reason why I mentioned light exposure in our environment.

522
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Speaker 2: You sort of mentioned like, what's one that sticks out

523
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Speaker 2: to people that maybe they haven't considered. That's one that

524
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Speaker 2: that sticks out to me that I think maybe people

525
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Speaker 2: haven't considered. But otherwise, if you said, what's really going

526
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Speaker 2: to move the needle the most? And I would say,

527
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: go back to your foundation, sleep, good diet, exercise, stress management,

528
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Speaker 2: and good social connections. I think if you've got all

529
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Speaker 2: five of those, then you're going to be living to

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Speaker 2: one hundred.

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Speaker 1: And pay attention to how your body responds and reacts

532
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Speaker 1: to different shit that's going on on planet you. It's like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have people who walk into a room

534
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Speaker 1: that I talk to. They walk into a room, their

535
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: heart rate goes up, their blood pressure goes up, their

536
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:18,239
Speaker 1: respiration increases, and for them, some people, just being in

537
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: proximity of certain people is literally bad for their health. Like,

538
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: we don't think about shit like that. Like I say

539
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: to people, you it doesn't matter how much you're getting paid,

540
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: if you work in a toxic culture or a toxic

541
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: workplace or environment around toxic people, get the fuck out.

542
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: The money is not worth it because that shit will

543
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: literally kill you.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep. I I mean, I've tried to communicate that

545
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: to some individuals, but I like, of course there's a

546
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: lot of when they're in that position. It's easy for

547
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: us to say that because you love your job, I

548
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: love my job. Did you escape a job that you hated.

549
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, did.

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00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: You just I mean, yeah, look I didn't hate it.

551
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: I just I have this revelation. When I was really young, mate,

552
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: I was twenty two three working in gyms, running gyms.

553
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: I was managing gym's centers when I was twenty two

554
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: and it was good, but I just realized, I don't

555
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: want to boss. I don't want to have to turn

556
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: up at a place at a time and then work

557
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: to another time and then do that five days a week.

558
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Speaker 1: And I always say, it's not that it's bad, but

559
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't ideal for me, and it definitely wasn't a

560
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: toxic workplace. But just the idea of clocking on, clocking

561
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: off and essentially doing a form of the same thing

562
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: for a very long time, like years or decades. I'm like,

563
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: fuck that, I need to figure out how I can

564
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: just do shit that I love that also is a

565
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: service to people and also makes me enough money so

566
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Speaker 1: that I'm okay. I had no aspirations to be you know,

567
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: I ended up employing five hundred trainers and had the

568
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: biggest personal training business in Australia for a while. That

569
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: definitely wasn't my goal that was just a fun byproduct

570
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Speaker 1: of just diving into the shit that I loved.

571
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's really profound. It makes me, It

572
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: makes me sit here and wonder and just like really deeply,

573
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: because sometimes I just get so very deep into my

574
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: work and my business that I can't even zoom out

575
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: and be like, Gee, what a great opportunity that I

576
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: have in my life. Like, I'm so grateful that I

577
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: literally get to do my hobby. It was my hobby

578
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: as my main job. Like I cannot believe that, you know,

579
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: moving to Dubai to further grow myself and expand and

580
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: reach more people in the world. It's just such a

581
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful and it's a good reminder just to like, yeah,

582
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: because I can't imagine how much it would eat you

583
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: up inside if you did a job that you really

584
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: that you just really really didn't enjoy, or it just

585
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: you knew it wasn't right for you.

586
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: Kind of awareness I reckon, you know, I say to people,

587
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: whatever you are in the middle of, whether or not

588
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: that's doing a PhD, or whether or not that's a job,

589
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: or whether or not that's your own business, or whether

590
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: or not it's a specific relationship. What is the emotional

591
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: and psychological and physiological byproduct of that thing that you're in, Like,

592
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: for the most part, is it a positive psychologically, emotionally

593
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: and physiologically. And if it is, like you and I

594
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: have this beautiful thing, that my work and your work

595
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like work, right, And for many people, a

596
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: lot of people have a similar situation. But for many

597
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: people that's not the case. And I often say to people,

598
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Speaker 1: In fact, I did a gig last week where I

599
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Speaker 1: was in front of hundred people, hundreds of people doing

600
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: a corporate thing, and we're talking about this thing. So

601
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Speaker 1: people talk about work life balance. I feel like I'm

602
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: hijacking your time, mate. I'm sorry, that's fine. We talk

603
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: about work life balance. I talk about a concept. I

604
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: created this. I don't know if other people use it,

605
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: but I call it work impact. And the question is

606
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: not how many hours do you work and not work?

607
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: And if we get this kind of seesaw or these

608
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: scales of work hours and non work hours, have we

609
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: got the right numbers?

610
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: Right?

611
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: Fuck that? Because you could do twenty hours a week

612
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: of a job, which is not many hours, but you

613
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: hate every fucking minute, Well that's the worst job in

614
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: the world, or you could do sixty seventy hours a

615
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: week of something that gives you joy and purpose and

616
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: focus and connection and love and empowerment and growth. Well, fuck,

617
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: give me eighty hours. You know. It's like everybody thinks

618
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: it's about numbers. That's the dumbest shit ever. It's like,

619
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Speaker 1: what am I doing and what's the consequence on my body, mind, emotions,

620
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: and soul. Perhaps it's at your belief system, spirit. What's

621
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: the consequence? Is it good? Is it bad? If it's bad,

622
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: then tweak it adjusted or get the fuck out of it.

623
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I can resonate with that so so strongly.

624
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: I think it's it's it's really like I'm if I

625
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: had to frame and perceive my life in terms of

626
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: how you sort of mentioned it. They're like, and you

627
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: can ask my parents because when I was still living

628
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: at home during lockdown, like that was a really critical

629
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: time for myself in my in my business. Yeah, it

630
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: was obviously the first couple of years of my business.

631
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: So I was like in the mom and dad's garage, right,

632
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: I was working for mom and dad's garage. Wow, dude,

633
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: and I was basically they were they were genuinely at

634
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: one point concerned for me because they're like, you've worked,

635
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: Like they said to me, you know, we're you gonna this.

636
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: This was after lockdown, so we were allowed to go out,

637
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: go out and be out and do things. And it

638
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: was Friday night, and I remember a mom sort of

639
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: saying to me, She's like, oh, don't you want to

640
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: go out tonight, or you know, don't you want to

641
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: see your friends or something like that, And I was like,

642
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: to be honest, I'm really loving what I'm doing here.

643
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Speaker 2: Like I know, I've been working like probably sixty seventy

644
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 2: hours this week so far, but I'm just I'm building

645
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: something here, and I'm really I'm hyper obsessed. That's definitely

646
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: one thing about me is that, like the there's autistic

647
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: traits for sure within me because I'm so hyper locked

648
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: in and hyper focused on this mission. And it's just like, yeah,

649
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: I think, but like you said, it just that didn't

650
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: feel like work for me. It really didn't feel like work.

651
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 2: There was so much enjoyment. I got so much excitement

652
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: and enjoyment from it that it just there really didn't

653
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 2: feel like work at all.

654
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: I think one of the silly things, but understandable, very

655
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: human things that that we do is we look at

656
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: someone else's habits or behavior or work hours or lifestyle.

657
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: We look at it through our lens. Yeah, and through

658
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: our lens. Oh, that's irrational, or that's too much lucas,

659
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: or that's unhealthy. And quite often the person who's been

660
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: critical of you has a job they fucking hate. They're

661
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: saying it to themselves it's physically, mentally and emotionally unwell.

662
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: And you the dude who's doing something that you know,

663
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: takes lots of you know, and it's not to be

664
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: critical of anyone, but it's just projection.

665
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: It's projection, isn't it? Like yes, spread out.

666
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: Projection one hundred percent, And it's like and also, you know,

667
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: the thing that would be, you know, for me standing

668
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: in front of a room full of people talking about

669
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, stuff we're talking about right now, just like,

670
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: what's it all about? Fucking what's the meaning of life

671
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: and me? And how do I manage me optimally? Like literally,

672
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about most of my life is

673
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: how do I and you how do we? How do

674
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: we live optimally? What does that mean? How do I

675
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: manage me? How do I manage my mind, my emotions,

676
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: my behaviors, my body, my choices, my outcomes. How do

677
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: I do that? What am I doing great? What's work

678
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: and what's not? Like these are fundamental questions and in

679
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: the middle of that, like there's no work like this is.

680
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: But I understand, you know, when I'm up on a

681
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: stage talking, I feel like I'm in my natural habitat.

682
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: I feel like and that's maybe because I'm an ex fat,

683
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: fucking only child who needs attention. Maybe that's a bit

684
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: of it, right, But I just love being up there.

685
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: And for other people that would be the most terrifying scenario,

686
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: and for them that would actually be a bad thing.

687
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: For me, it's a great thing. And that just speaks

688
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,479
Speaker 1: back to our point about it's not about the thing,

689
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: but rather your response to the thing, and whether or

690
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: not that thing is a job or a macro nutrient

691
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, or a supplement, it's still about how you

692
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: and it interact.

693
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I love how you mentioned the perspective like

694
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: it depends which lens you're looking at it from, because yeah,

695
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: like I can just had people yeah mentioned to me

696
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 2: as well, like, you know, you can't be working that much.

697
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: You need to go out what about you know, it

698
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: depends like everyone's got a different level of like tolerance

699
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 2: as well, with like some people have generally, I think

700
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: some people have like enormous amounts of energy. Like I

701
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: think you're someone to me, I perceive you as like

702
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: a very high energy dude, like you're and you're still

703
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: still going strong, like even they've been at it for

704
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: many many years, like you're you're a bloody beast, greg

705
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 2: like you're still brushing it in every area. I think

706
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: genetically as well, I think some people, I think some

707
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: people just have a bigger cup. I do think that

708
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: maybe you'll say, but I've built the cup and I've

709
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: actually made the cup bigger because I've done this, this

710
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: and this and you know, but yeah, it's an interesting

711
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: it's an interesting perspective because I think about like the

712
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: things that drain your cup. For example, I know for myself,

713
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: it's when i'm doing it's when I'm doing the work

714
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: that I don't want to do and they really don't enjoy.

715
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 2: That is what sucks the energy out of me. Whereas

716
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: when I'm actually doing the work that I love doing it,

717
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: actually it's almost like the cup doesn't even drain it

718
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: just stays there. Yeah.

719
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: I talk about this thing mate called anti goals, right,

720
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: And I think it's good to get clear about what

721
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: you don't want because once you get clear about what

722
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: you don't want, because like so many people will come

723
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: to me and say something like, you know, they're forty

724
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: years old or they're fifty years old, and they say,

725
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: a version of this wasn't my plan, you know, like

726
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: essentially where they're at in their life or with their

727
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: body or their business or their money or their whatever, right,

728
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: and which is cool, And my audience is sick of

729
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: me saying that this next bit. But then I say

730
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: to them, can I see the plan? And they go, what,

731
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: I go, the plan of which you speak grasshopper, Can

732
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: I see it? Well, there's no fucking plan. There was

733
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: just an idea of how things would work out, right.

734
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: But I think that when you go like I used

735
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: to watch all my mates get pissed and fall down

736
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: when we were young, right, drinking booze from sixteen and

737
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: I and this is not a judgment, but this was

738
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: just a personal awareness for me. I just went, I

739
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: don't want to do that, right, So that's cool that

740
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: they do. And maybe when I'm twenty old drink. Maybe

741
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm just because I was training like a maniac when

742
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: I was fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, and I thought I was

743
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: going to be the next big thing, and of course

744
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: I never was, but you know, I was training like

745
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: a maniac, and so it never like the idea of

746
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: getting pissed and falling down and putting alcohol, which is

747
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: essentially poison in my body held less than zero appeal.

748
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: So it required no discipline or self control like at all,

749
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: and people like, oh, you're so even now, People go,

750
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: it's amazing, you've never had a drink so much self control.

751
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: I go, fucking no self control because it it's like

752
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: for me, it's like you could go, oh, you know,

753
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: you don't punch yourself in the face such self control.

754
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't hold any appeal to me, But

755
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: I think once you get and it's not that, by

756
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: the way, not that people shouldn't drink, and not that

757
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: people shouldn't have a regular nine to five job, and

758
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: not that people shouldn't do anything particularly, but when you know,

759
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: for you, like I know for me that two meals

760
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: a day works good, but I wouldn't suggest that for everyone.

761
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: I know what supplements work for me. I know how

762
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: much sleep works for me. I know when my brain

763
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 1: works best during my cycle. I know when I'm most

764
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: productive and I can focus the best, and what type

765
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,959
Speaker 1: of work is best to do it, what time of day,

766
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: when I should lift weights, when I should walk when,

767
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, And that's because my body taught me, you know,

768
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: and I pay attention.

769
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: I think what you mentioned there around like just just

770
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: paying attention to the to the feedback your body gives you.

771
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: Like I mean, there's there is that like subjective feedback

772
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: that you can get and then you can also I

773
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 2: mean there's the objective feedback, which is the stuff that

774
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: I'm sort of like really hard on, which is the

775
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: blood testing and you know, making sure your vitamin D

776
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: is in the right range. Like you can't feel. It's

777
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: not like you can say, yeah, I can feel my

778
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: vitamin d's a bit low, Like you can't. I've woken up.

779
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I just feel I don't know if something

780
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: feels off, Yeah, maybe my vitamin D is a bit low.

781
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: Like you can't really do that, but yeah, I mean,

782
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: I think marrying the two, the subjective and objective, is

783
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: just get the best bang for buck and so that

784
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: you can just continue doing good to society, you can

785
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: continue showing up the best version of yourself. Like that's

786
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: what you're all about, which is very similar to what

787
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: I adhere to as well.

788
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: You know, you said something before, you know, when you're

789
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: talking about we're talking about maybe some of the most

790
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: overlooked fundamentals for health, and you spoke about you know,

791
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: just getting outside in in daylight and some you know,

792
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: out of the fucking office. I am about eight months ago. Now,

793
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: apologies to my listeners, but I was my phone. My

794
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: phone dinged, and it basically said to me, you're not

795
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: walking many steps, right, you know how it tracks it basically, yeah,

796
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: whent get the funk off your ass? And it gave

797
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: me a kind of a report of how many steps

798
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: I'd walked in the previous three months on average per day.

799
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: And I don't want to tell you, but I'm going

800
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: to tell you. It was like fucking four and a

801
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: half thousand or something. And I'm like, shit, am I

802
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: one hundred years old?

803
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: The daily average? Ye?

804
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, right, So I know wow, And this

805
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: is the guy that trains every day at the gym

806
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: and all that shit. But I spend so much time

807
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: doing podcasts, doing research, finishing my study, writing emails, writing

808
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, business shit. Anyway, that's but my bad, completely

809
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: my fault, no excuses, they're completely my fault. So I went, oh,

810
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: that's fucking terrifying. I didn't realize, and so I just

811
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: said to myself, well, from tomorrow forever, from tomorrow forever,

812
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: the worst is going to be ten thousand, the worst,

813
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: the minimum, the minimum, the minimum. And so every day,

814
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: you know, I think my average since that day has

815
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: been around fourteen thousand, right, thirteen fourteen.

816
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 2: Thousands that week? Is that without getting like a treadmill desk.

817
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's just I literally go for

818
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: walks and I what I've done is I go, ah,

819
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm you know, say, I'm doing a coaching session with somebody.

820
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: At midday, I message them and say, is it all

821
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: right with you if I walk and talk? And they're

822
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: always like yeah, of course yeah.

823
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 2: In mind.

824
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: So either where it's physically walking and talking, but usually

825
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: it's it's virtually walking and talking. And here's the funny thing.

826
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: I reckon when I'm walking and I've got headphones in

827
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: and I'm talking to someone, I reckon I coach better Yeah,

828
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm more present, I'm more focused, I reckon, I'm better

829
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: value for them when I'm not just sitting in a

830
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: fucking room where i can daydream because my mind's like

831
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: a dog with three dicks, right, Trying to focus it

832
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: is a fucking effort. But when I'm out and about,

833
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: I tend to be more present. But the other thing

834
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: I was going to say to you a dawned on

835
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: me when you were talking about being outdoors. And since

836
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: I've done that, I feel, you know, this is impossible

837
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: to CONTI fire, but as you know, I feel like

838
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: all around thirty percent better. And I think part of

839
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: that is also because I'm just outside, Like I'm probably

840
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: outside just walking two hours a day.

841
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: Wow.

842
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: And I do that in installments. You know, It's like

843
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm at the cafe at six thirty in the morning,

844
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: but I'll walk for forty five minutes before I get there, right,

845
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, when I finish with you, I've got another

846
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: podcast soon after that. I will go walk for an hour,

847
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: but I will answer emails, I will do I will

848
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: talk to Melissa who runs my life, will do a

849
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: planning session. I'll respond to some phone calls. So I'm

850
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: walking and working, but it's I'm actually out, so I

851
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 1: feel like that. Yeah, as you said that, I thought

852
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's not just the walking, maybe it's just

853
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: being out.

854
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: And they could be Yeah, I thought about that as well,

855
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Speaker 2: because I've actually I invested into a treadmill desk during

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Speaker 2: the start of lockdown, and I mean it was because

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Speaker 2: I was working from the garage. The garage door would

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Speaker 2: be open, so I'd get the I was like semi

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Speaker 2: indoor outdoor, you know, because I've got the carriage door open.

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Speaker 2: The treadmill desk is facing outside the garage, so I've

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Speaker 2: got the light coming in. And I tried to replicate

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Speaker 2: that now in the apartment that I mean, obviously I

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Speaker 2: don't have a garage. Is I'm my top floor of

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Speaker 2: the apartment building. But my treadmill I can't show you now,

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Speaker 2: but basically it's to my left here. It's pointing out

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Speaker 2: to the window, so I'm literally walking towards the light

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Speaker 2: and I've got another screen above me, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: when I take the I was actually gonna I was actually,

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Speaker 2: funnily enough, going to take this podcast on the treadmill

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Speaker 2: just to be a bit of a show off and

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Speaker 2: to say you know, look look at me, Craig. Third

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Speaker 2: time round. I've leveled up again.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Ben Greenfield and I've just pushing the limits.

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Speaker 2: But I've I've done a few podcasts on there before,

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Speaker 2: but I've trained, I went to the gym, train legs.

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Speaker 1: Sorry when you said walking towards the light, it reminded

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Speaker 1: me of a near death experience. Go and finish that

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Speaker 1: you were trying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I hit legs this morning, and I

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Speaker 2: hit them really hard. So I'm like, I've only had

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Speaker 2: one meal and i got to do it. I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to do the podcast on the treadmill whilst I'm

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Speaker 2: talking to Craig because i hit legs super hard this morning,

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Speaker 2: and I've got a shipload of other meetings and things today,

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Speaker 2: so I'm not going to burn out to too early,

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Speaker 2: too fast. But i can tell you now what you

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Speaker 2: said about doing the consulting where you're actually walking outside

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Speaker 2: and you're actually better value for your clients. Man, I

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Speaker 2: can resonate with that because I'm actually feel like i'm

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Speaker 2: way less adhd. I'm using that word. I'm more focused

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Speaker 2: when I'm walking and talking, and there's i mean, there's

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Speaker 2: science behind it. It's related to blood flow, lymphatics, you know,

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Speaker 2: increasing BDNF all that sort of jazz. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think that's a Could you imagine just how much healthier

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Speaker 2: are the entire population? Just take a think about this.

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Speaker 2: Imagine if we increased Imagine if we increased the globe

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Speaker 2: the Australian average number of steps per day by just

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Speaker 2: an extra five to seven thousand steps per day. By

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Speaker 2: enforcing that every single office has a treadmill, like a

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Speaker 2: tread more desk feature, could you imagine the reduced burden

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Speaker 2: on the entire healthcare system of Australia. I'm I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about a potential massive reduction in blood pressure medications. I'm

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Speaker 2: talking reductions in blood sugar, reductions in inflammatory diseases. Like

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Speaker 2: it's literally just from walking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, it's It's incredible. Oh I love chatting to you.

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Speaker 2: We have to organize a funny mate.

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Speaker 1: I had so many things to talk to you about.

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Speaker 1: I've got another podcast in a minute or two that

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Speaker 1: i didn't even get to. But I this is going

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Speaker 1: to sound weird. I should say this off the podcast,

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Speaker 1: but I'll say it on. I've enjoyed, I've enjoyed all

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Speaker 1: of our chats, but I've enjoyed this one the most.

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Speaker 1: So Lucas is at ergogenic at Ergogenic Underscore Health at

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Speaker 1: Ergogenic Underscore Health on Insta, Luke has owen spelt a

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Speaker 1: o u N l u c a s a o

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Speaker 1: u N. Where else can people get you? Mate?

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Craig. So if they search boost your

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Speaker 2: biology on YouTube, there's a there's over a thousand videos

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Speaker 2: of Golden health content there, So yeah, boost your biology

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Speaker 2: on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. Hey mate, we'll say goodbye affair, but once again,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for your time on the You project.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you and you're a soup star.

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Speaker 2: Pleasure is always Craig, and I'm looking forward to collaborating again.

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Speaker 1: Thanks buddy.

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Speaker 2: Awesome