WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 26 February 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:05.159 Lately. Welcome to the Late Debase. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:08.600 Great to have your company on the Late Debate. I'm 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:11.760 James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond. Coming up 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.040 one of the most unusual drug busts you'll ever see. 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:18.200 You won't believe where the smuggler hid his cocaine. We'll 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:20.680 show you that a little later. Plus, when we look 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:25.000 at the papers speaking of drugs, Victoria's safe drug injecting rooms. 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.000 Is there such a thing? Having problems? What a surprise. 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:32.519 Plus story in tomorrow's Australian newspaper about a very unusual 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:36.080 court case in New South Wales where the prosecutor began 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.320 by admitting he wouldn't win the case, which of course 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.920 begged the question why were they there. We'll talk to 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.000 you about that when we get to what's making news tomorrow, 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.360 But first, you know, we've done a lot of nanny 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.560 state shows over the past couple of years, but this, 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:52.560 this would have to be the silliest example of government 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.600 over each I have heard in a long time. For 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.200 the last nine years people have been able to go 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.640 down to North Bondi Beach go for a surf on 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.759 a surfboard provided for free by the Shared Board initiative 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:09.200 Now it's a group of locals who provide refurbished surfboards 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.280 for anyone to use free of charge. They just leave 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:14.440 them on the foreshore of the beach in a particular 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.080 spot and the only condition is when you've finished having 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.559 a surf just bring it back and put it where 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.319 you found it. And it's a great idea. I mean 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.640 for people who get to the beach and think, you know, 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.080 I got my son's screen, I got my hat, I 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.480 got my boards, I forgot my board, doesn't matter. There's 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.200 a board that you can borrow for free. Or if 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:35.120 you live at Penrith, for instance, and you don't want 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.480 to lug your board on public transport, you don't have to. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.200 You can leave your surfboard in Penrith Rock up at 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.319 North Bondai and just borrowed one of these shared boards. 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.560 Or if you like Caleb and you've never been on 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:47.720 a surfboard in your life, but you think never been 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:52.000 on a beach, that is a bit unfair. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.640 I will say I have started going to the beach, Yes, 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:58.600 I started this year. 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:00.640 Does this happen just this year? 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.600 I've started going to the Who are you and what 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:02.920 have you? 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.280 Done with Caleb bon Have you ever serfed? 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:05.520 No? 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:06.000 I haven't. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.400 Okay, so you could rock up at North BONDI and think, 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:10.560 you know what, I wouldn't mind trying this out, but 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.520 I don't want to put out the coin to buy 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.280 a board. I might not enjoy it or be any 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.880 good at it, which is highly likely to be the case. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.640 But Caleb could just borrow one of these shared boards, 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.560 have a try, and if you don't like it, you 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.400 just put the board back. No harm done. It's a 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.639 great initiative, or at least it was until the kill 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.480 Joys at Waverley Council shut it down of concerns from 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:36.240 surf life savers about safety and public liability. Local Cam 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.800 Scott said the program's been so popular with locals and 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.000 visitors and we've never had any issues in the past. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:47.320 Other forms of surfing are still allowed, including private board hire, 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.360 so I'm not sure why shared boards are being singled 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.600 out as a safety risk. I understand lifeguards want to 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.680 reduce the risk and that not everyone is an experienced surfer, 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.640 but I've tried to minimize rescue as much as possible, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.720 including reducing the number of boards that can be used 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:06.519 and making sure all the boards have leg ropes now. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:10.320 Waverley Mayor Will Nemesh said that he is committed to 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:15.160 working out a process to address concerns regarding safety. I'm 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.520 not sure what the concerns are. If someone rocks up 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.519 with their own board, there's no concerns. If someone hires 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.960 a board, there's no concerns. So why are there concerns 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.920 over the situation where someone shares a board? Lizit that 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.080 makes no sense whatsoever? 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.840 Do you wanna be safe or do you wanna be free? 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.640 It's the same old chestnut every single time. 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.880 It doesn't matter what we're talking about. 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.200 It boils down to that when you've got government intervention 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:46.160 saying we're doing something utterly ridiculous, which we are telling 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:50.360 you is completely necessary in order to keep you safe. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.920 We're back at that exaet same square on the chess board. 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.840 And to be honest, this is one of those ones 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.040 where you're like, Okay, we follow your reasoning to its 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:06.520 logical conclusion. Going into the surf alone is a safety 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.240 risk and a public liability. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:09.840 So what on it? 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:10.680 Because you can't. 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.320 Guarantee that every single person who enters the surf knows 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.159 how to swim. Indeed, that's the vast majority of the 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.960 cases of drowning that we see here in Australia, or 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.680 people getting caught in rips, et cetera, and so on. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.000 They're not seasoned beach goers. They don't know what they're doing. 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:29.239 So this is nonsense reasoning. It's for the same reason 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.800 that we're like, oh, okay, well everybody's got to wear 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.560 a helmet the second you leave your house then because 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.760 anything can happen. And then of course there's the broader 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:42.920 question of okay, let's say that the government is responsible 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:47.400 for your safety to what degree and at what cost, 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.600 because that's how we end up with. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:50.279 Stuff like this. 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.680 How much does it boil down to personal responsibility? If 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.960 you grab a board and go into the surf, let's 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:57.279 say that's on you. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.760 I mean, has the Waverly Council got nothing else to do? 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.840 You know, you've got councils running around Sydney at the 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:05.680 moment saying that he just jack up the rates by 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.480 ninety percent because they can't get their hands on enough money. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.200 Like I think councils have got a fair bit going 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.599 on at the moment. But no, the Waverley Council is 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.679 going after people who want to go for a surf 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:20.600 on a shared surfboard. 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:21.840 I mean, why would. 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:25.120 You try to do any nice things in this country anymore? 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.279 A bloke says, you know what I think would be 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:28.240 a good thing to. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:32.440 Do to restore surfboards so people who can't afford a 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.880 surfboard I don't want to lag it across the city 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.080 can come and have a surf at the beach. He's 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.800 trying to do a good turn for people and in 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.000 comes the party purpose at the council. Oh, you can't 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.560 do that because there's public liability problems here. 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:46.840 Now. 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.720 The only public liability problems I can think of are 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.000 that the board I don't know snaps in the middle 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.400 of the ocean or something. And then they try to 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:56.280 soothe the bloke and say, well, you gave me an 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:57.479 unsafe surfboard. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:05:58.440 You can get. 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.839 Public liability insurance of that kind of thing. I'm sure 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.200 the council, if they actually decided they would be helpful 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.040 instead of inhibiting things, could go and say, look, we'll 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:09.640 work it out. 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:10.960 We'll sort all of this out here. 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.280 Maybe the council will even sponsor it so you can 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.640 have a local shed to do some work in Who 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:17.360 knows we. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.000 Can make it a community project. No, we couldn't have that. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:25.599 This is the most UnAustralian example of government overreach I 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.800 have seen in a long time. If you cannot go 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.880 to the beach and have a surf in Australia without 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.960 being interfered with by the government or a council, we 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.440 have lost the plot. 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.240 Seriously, what is going on. 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.240 We like to think that we are a country of 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.520 you know, free spirited Alaricans, and we've still got that 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.720 convict culture in US. You know, we're sticking it up 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:53.360 the pommies because we're free and we're not stuffy like them. 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.360 But we are We love rules, We love being told 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:02.360 what to do. COVID crew exactly, we were all happy. 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:03.839 To line up. We are more. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:05.719 Brid We weren't and I did. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.240 Not the vast majority of people. 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:11.040 But we are more British than the British in the 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.239 way that we are happy to follow rules and want 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.400 to be governed. I mean, when you have a premier 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:20.000 like Mark mcgow and in WA who had like dictator 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.320 like approval ratings of ninety one percent or something because 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.640 he shut the borders, I think it proves the point 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.240 we just want to be governed hard. 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.760 And there's a time when we're talking about social cohesion 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.160 and we've got so many problems in society. He as 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.360 you said, You've got someone trying to do a nice 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:39.280 thing to just help people enjoy themselves. It's free, it's 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.360 a nice thing to do, but no council can't allow it. 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.080 And when the mayor says we're committed to implementing a process, 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.080 God help us. Have you ever come across a government 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.119 process that made anything better? 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.840 Can you imagine if someone decided they wanted to have 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.440 a surf on one of these shared boards and then 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.440 when they get back on the beach, light up a 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.200 dart and have a beer like. 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.280 That would be all the crime, all the law all. 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.000 You can't have a drink on the beach, you can't 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.680 have a darry on the beach, you can't have yourselvelopment. 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.800 You'd of course, it just could be a simple matter 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:15.760 of few counselors being really good mates with the people 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:20.280 who are heading up the hiring board businesses down at Bondi. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.040 That was also a thought I had. But to the 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.640 UK now, where Prime Minister Kistarma has announced that he 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.760 is increasing defense spending to two point five percent of 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:36.040 GDP by at twenty twenty seven. Now, I reckon Brits 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:40.400 have Donald Dre Trump to thank for this little announcement, 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:41.319 and I'll. 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:42.440 Explain why in a bit. 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:46.760 But certainly watching Kirs Starmer today you wouldn't have guessed it. 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.240 I have long argued that in the face of ongoing 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:57.560 and generational challenges, European countries must do more for their 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:03.680 own defense. That is in con travertible a completely reasonable point. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.240 It is a generational challenge, of course it is, but 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.120 one we must now take on. 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.920 I suppose it's just a coincidence that he is echoing 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:19.800 very much the sentiments of Trump, which Trump has shouted 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:24.000 from the mountaintops since he ran in twoenty and sixteen. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:25.920 He's always considered. 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:29.560 NATO these leech countries sucking on the tee to the 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.240 United States, and he's always said, you flogs have to 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:34.840 pull your socks up. 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.400 I'm not funding this by myself. 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.840 You guys have to spend more on your own defense 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.360 spending if you want us to come to your aid 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.240 when you're in trouble. 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:45.560 Here. 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:50.440 He was just last February reminding everyone he still stands 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.440 exactly the same position on the exact same issue second 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:55.000 time round. 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.240 It it was busted until I came along. I said, 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.440 everybody's going to pay. They said, well, if we don't pay, 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.079 are you still going to protect us? I said absolutely not. 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:08.000 They couldn't believe the answer, and everybody you never saw 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:09.080 more money pour in. 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:15.840 Trump's actually demanded that NATO countries increase their defense spending 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:20.319 to five percent of their economic output. So kirs Dama's 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:25.000 basically just announced he's inching closer by twenty twenty seven, 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:26.000 but still. 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.120 Falling quite short. 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.120 But here he is addressing the nation once again saying 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.080 this is how I'm keeping Britain safe. Now. 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:41.120 Our national security faces a critical moment. That is why 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.120 we are increasing defense spending to two point five percent 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:50.360 of GDP from April twenty to twenty seven, the biggest 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:56.040 sustained increase since the Cold War. With my government, Britain 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.959 will be secure at home and strong abroad. 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.680 Secure at home, mate, you had over thirty five thousand 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.880 illegals cross the channel and make their way into your 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.640 country last year alone, where they've been living high on 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.880 the hog on the British taxpayer pound. But what I 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.600 do love about what he's doing here is he's taking 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:23.920 the funds from foreign aid to fit the bill for 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.040 this increase. And I think that is something that all 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.200 Western countries should do. I think foreign aid is completely 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:35.200 and utterly blown out and rarely does it ever actually 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:39.040 achieve what the giving country has given it for. 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.800 What do you think about the foreign aid argument, Well, well, 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:46.359 they're spending three billion dollars a year housing illegal asylunce 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.000 again through their foreign foreign aid is very low. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.160 There's an argument to be made that you have to 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.680 pay a certain level of foreign aid to try and 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.840 back off countries like China that spend shed loads around 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.360 the Pacific nations, the Australian example. There's an argument that 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.640 you have to do that to try and repel them, 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.400 but then you kind of end up in a bidding 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.520 war because China has infinite money. Basically we're doing in 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.000 the Pacific exactly, so they say, well, we'll give them 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:13.679 more money. So we say we've got to give them 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.200 more money. I mean, you could go on and on 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.599 and on and on forever when it comes to that circumstance, 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.480 and perhaps when we come to those circumstances, we should 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:21.800 be calling in the favors. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:22.560 Of some of our allies. 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.520 But our foreign aid spend in Australia is about five 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.400 billion dollars, right, I think that's what it was in. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:30.920 The last this financial year. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:32.079 But five billion dollars. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:36.720 Our military spending last financial year was fifty three point 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.600 three billion dollars, which was two percent of GDP. So 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.520 if you took that five billion away from foreign aid 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.600 and added it to the defense budget, you know, that's 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.920 ten percent you're adding on top, which is not an 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.120 insignificant sum of money to add to it. Now, it's 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.400 already forecast that we will reach two point four percent 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.439 of GDP by twenty twenty seven, twenty eight, So we're 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.200 all sort of heading in the same direction. But we 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.120 have to be heading in that direction. I mean, we 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.080 have never been in a more precara will say never 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.120 is not wrong. In the last forty fifty years, we 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:13.160 have not been in a more precarious position GOEO politically, 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.720 and all the predictions from the US are that we 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.480 could end up in some sort of conflict with China 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:20.720 next decade. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.439 Right, that's not far away. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.360 We're in twenty twenty five now, twenty thirty is in 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:30.120 five years time. Meanwhile, we're talking about having submarines and 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.800 defense capability ready to go by twenty forty, which will 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:37.080 be extremely useful. Like we should have been doing this 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.840 teen years ago. It's all good and will to say, yes, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.680 we're picking up the pace now, and good, we need 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:44.960 to do it, but let's be real, this should have 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:46.160 happened a long time ago. 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.760 And that's my criticism of Starmer's announcement. He says, you know, 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.720 this is a generational challenge and we must act. So 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.920 we're going to increase defense spending by two percent. Not 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.120 this year, not next year, but in twenty twenty seven. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:02.120 It's an absolute Russia are spending five percent of their 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:06.000 GDP on defense. Middle Eastern countries are spending five percent. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.880 We don't know what China are spending, but it's probably 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:12.160 a lot more than five percent. And as for foreign aid, 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:16.000 one of the best things that Western liberal democracies can 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.520 do for the entire planet is to be strong so 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.880 they can repel authoritarian to talitarian regimes and keep the 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.280 flag of freedom flying. But the other thing I would 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.120 ask Kirstama when he speaks about you know, we're going 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.920 to defend Britain, tell us what is Britain these days. 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.760 I mean, you're making such a mess of it, and 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.240 with the amount of people you're allowing into the country 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:42.360 and then all of the ghettoization. Is that a word, Caleb, 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:47.080 the segregation that they are promoting through their multicultural policies. 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:48.640 I'd just love to know what he says. We're going 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.320 to defend Britain. How do you define Britain. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.440 Well, well, it's the country where the top baby name 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.760 for boys now is Muhammad. I think that's probably how 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:57.640 we define Britain. 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.560 Incidentally, one more thing before we move on, said it's 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.680 about two point one percent of GDP and Australia. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.240 To two percent at the moment two point four. We're 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:06.720 heading two in twenty seven twenty. 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.640 Eight, which is about what the NDIS will be worth 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.000 in a couple of years. So, I mean, this is 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:15.640 the most geopolitically, you know, risky time we've had since 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:19.160 World War Two. And we're committed to spending more money 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:24.320 on you know, disabilities, some of which are a little 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.160 questionable and that argument has been going for some time 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.880 than we are on defending our borders. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.520 So that's more valuable than foreign aid because we've got 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.640 genuine Aussies in genuine need. 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:36.680 What really gets my goat is the. 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:40.080 Amount of money that Western countries splurge on foreign aid. 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.120 In our case, as we continually laugh about, it's a 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:47.800 lost cause because China always has deeper pockets. So in comparison, 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.440 Australia is handing out like five bucks in a snag 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.960 to all these countries in the Indo Pacific, being like, hey, 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.120 if something bad happens, please be on our side. Also, 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.480 hot take news flash. If I have to pay you 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.680 to be my friend, if I have to pay you 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:04.320 to be. 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.840 My ally, you're not my ally. 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:11.160 The entire concept of foreign aid, because we know it's 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.440 never given out of the goodness of anyone's hearts. 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.600 It is the form of a bribe. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:20.360 I am buying your loyalty, which again isn't real loyalty, 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:21.600 is it. 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:22.680 It's such a. 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.680 Flawed concept and it cannot continue. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:27.280 If I could be. 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.920 Ruler for a day, I would pull all foreign aid 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:35.800 because if your country exists due to the forced donations 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:41.040 of my country's tax payers, then maybe you shouldn't. Maybe 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.840 you shouldn't if you just keep on existing at the 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.240 behest of the wealthier Western countries who are in fact, 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:52.040 weakening themselves, like you said, mac by keeping up this system. 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:56.040 It's very strange. Pull it all and let the chips 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:56.720 fall where they may. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:58.720 The only thing it's a worry is the reluctance of 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.760 Western countries to sect refice in order to defend themselves. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.119 And Trumps pointed this out in Europe, right. I was 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.280 really in twenty twenty three, Denmark decided to cancel one 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.280 public holiday so that the poor Danes were only left 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.600 with eleven public holidays instead of twelve. But they canceled 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.960 one public holiday so that they could make an extra 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.760 six hundred and seventy five million dollars to go towards defense. 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.520 And there was uproar, you can't take away one of 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:23.720 our public holidays. 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:24.560 Well what do you want? 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:26.680 Do you want a public holiday or do you want 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.199 your freedom? And in the West that's up for debate 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:29.640 right now. 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:31.560 They may take on a laaves, but they will never 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.160 picked out of public holidays. And I think you actually 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.280 hit on a good point though, Liz, I reckon the 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.359 best form of diplomacy we could have is to build 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.879 bunning stores overseas so they can get the snags and 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.719 then they've got a real taste of Australian culture. 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:47.080 A while we're. 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.879 Talking about defense, the plot thickens on this business of 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.640 these Chinese warships have been floating down the east coast 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.640 of Australia. Now we know, we talked about last night 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.720 that last Friday they were doing live fire drills off 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.480 the of Australia and we found out about that because 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:07.120 a Virgin pilot was flying overhead and he alerted Air 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:11.040 Services Australia will today the military has been up at 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:15.320 senate estimates and they've corroborated that turn of events. But 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.439 there's another little tidbit that has been included. That's that 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.640 the New Zealand military picked up on it before our 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.359 military picked up on it, even though it took them 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.080 quite some time to do it. I'll give you the timeline. 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.280 It was nine to fifty eight am that a Virgin 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:34.480 pilot on Friday realized that these warships were firing about. 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.480 It was at ten eighteen am that an Emirates pilot 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:42.720 realized they were firing. It wasn't until eleven oh one 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.920 that the New Zealand Army realized that they were firing 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:48.760 and then in turn let us know. But of course 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.440 we already knew because not because our military had worked 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.760 it out, but because a Virgin pilot had worked it out. 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.680 The other thing is that the Prime Minister last week 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.960 was saying we had received noticeification that this was going 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.720 to happen. Then the story became, oh well, the notification, 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:07.680 you know, didn't come fast enough. 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.639 We didn't know in time that it was going to happen. 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.720 But now we keep hearing more and more this week 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:18.159 from different outfits, the military and Air Services Australia and 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:22.280 the New Zealand military that they were the ones who 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:22.879 let us know. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:24.280 Is the Prime Minister. 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:32.159 There were two areas of notification. One was from the 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.600 New Zealand vessels that were tailing. 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:36.880 We're cooperating. 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.480 We've been monitoring the vessels in the area by both 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:44.320 sea and by air, so that occurred and at the 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:49.040 same time, through the channels that occur when something like 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:54.119 this is occurring, air services got notified as well. 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.720 When the occurrences are occurring, the people who see occurrences 0:19:57.800 --> 0:19:59.439 occur to tell us that it's occurred. 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.359 What the hell was is he talking about there? But 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:01.920