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Speaker 1: And with a with Kate Richie podcast. It's a very

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Speaker 1: special guests in the studio.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited about the show.

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Speaker 3: It kicks off tonight seven thirty or nine and nine

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Speaker 3: now so medical expert Dr Nick Coatesworth. This is a

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Speaker 3: thought provoking news series with explores this is the quest

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Speaker 3: for longer life? Can we stay younger longer? And the

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Speaker 3: lady that is helping doctor Nick out is the magnificent

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Speaker 3: Tracy grimm Shure.

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Speaker 2: She joins us now, Tracey, good.

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Speaker 1: Morning, coming in.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I love the topic of this show, do you Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And it's a running theme also within Fitz Whipper Kate Richie,

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Speaker 1: because you know there's one team member who's been taking

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Speaker 1: some hair medication and he's trying to make why.

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Speaker 4: Did you look at me?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 4: Because I thought I didn't.

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Speaker 5: Think it would be you, but I thought you might

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Speaker 5: give me a clue. I know I've been away, I

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Speaker 5: haven't had a chance to wax my mostage.

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Speaker 1: But everybody, I think naturally in life is that you're

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Speaker 1: trying to hold on little tips. And there's the show

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Speaker 1: Blue Zones that's been around for a while, so everybody

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Speaker 1: wants to know how they can have a better quality

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Speaker 1: of life and answer the question how long can we

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Speaker 1: actually live for?

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Speaker 5: Well, look, I think having just ventured into the longevity space.

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Speaker 4: And I honestly never even clocked it.

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Speaker 5: This whole idea was this show was Nick Coatsworth's idea,

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Speaker 5: and he pitched it to the network and then I

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Speaker 5: was recruited sort of at the end of last year,

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Speaker 5: and so I did a deep, deep dive into it.

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Speaker 5: I'd never thought about living, you know, forever, or all

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Speaker 5: of these things.

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Speaker 4: It was never really my thing. It's a real space.

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Speaker 4: That's what I've learned. I mean the podcasts and the books,

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Speaker 4: the enthusiasts.

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Speaker 5: I went to London for a week just not so

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Speaker 5: long ago, and I was telling sitting in the back

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Speaker 5: of this cab, telling my girlfriend about what we've been

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Speaker 5: shooting in America and Mexico. And when we pulled over

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Speaker 5: this cabby is just a regular guy said to me,

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Speaker 5: I've been fascinated by your conversation. I'm really into all

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Speaker 5: of this. He doesn't look like a fitness fanatic. And

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Speaker 5: I thought, this has reached this whole topic.

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Speaker 1: It is huge, you know, Can I ask what you're

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Speaker 1: doing in Mexico?

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's shooting for the show.

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Speaker 1: But was there some sort of alexa there that gave

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Speaker 1: you another ten years?

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Speaker 4: Well to do it?

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Speaker 5: It wasn't for me. We were there shooting a guy.

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Speaker 5: You'll see it on the show. We were shooting a

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Speaker 5: bloke from Melbourne who's a very wealthy, really lovely bloke.

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Speaker 5: He's a biohacker, but he's a businessman who happens to

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Speaker 5: be a biohacker, so that's his thing. And he undertook

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Speaker 5: highly experimental gene therapy anti aging gene therapy. Has it

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Speaker 5: worked highly experimented? Well, that's a good question. If you

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Speaker 5: watched the show, we checked back. I just was in

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Speaker 5: Melbourne last week, two months after we went to see

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Speaker 5: what sort of result he'd had from it. Some of

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Speaker 5: it will have he says, long term results.

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Speaker 4: That you don't see over night. Then you don't see overnight.

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Speaker 5: But he says he's noticed some differences since. But it's

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Speaker 5: you know, it's unregulated, it's illegal in most of the

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Speaker 5: world's You couldn't get it done in Australia. You have

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Speaker 2: So you know, how did you bring back I.

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Speaker 5: Was a bit worried about the sniffer dogs at the airport.

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Speaker 5: I find it so interesting because, of course, I'm forty five,

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Speaker 5: and I feel as though any focus on living forever

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Speaker 1: What are you?

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Speaker 5: What are you looking at.

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Speaker 1: Me before I'm feel feeling young?

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Do you think that the people who are who are

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Look, I'm sure there are certainly is a

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Speaker 5: quite competitive. Like any field of human endeavor, you'll find

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Speaker 4: Look, got it.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't know that there's that sort of judgmental

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Speaker 4: Wants to do.

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Speaker 5: He's putting his body on the line, and it's not

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Speaker 5: paying an absolute fortune for this. This is not affordable treatment,

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Speaker 5: trust me, it's not guaranteed.

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Speaker 3: How has life expectancy changed over the years.

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Speaker 2: I think about this all the.

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Speaker 3: Time, about how old our children are going to live

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Speaker 3: to and how has it changed so much over the years.

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Speaker 5: Well, we actually spoke about that in one of the

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Speaker 5: I would have expected I just turned sixty four a

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Speaker 5: And then there are people who are saying, well, no,

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Speaker 1: I had a doctor talk not long ago, and he

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Speaker 5: It's fascinating reach one hundred and fifty exactly. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I actually think I'm not a doctor. I'm a journal

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Speaker 5: I think we're designed to die. I think that we

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Speaker 5: you know, it's about Nick Katesworth had a great line

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Speaker 5: and he's used it in the show. He says, you

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Speaker 5: want to fall off the cliff, not roll down the hill.

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Speaker 5: The last ten years of your life to be terrible

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Speaker 5: other people who think, well, if we can live to

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Speaker 5: or why couldn't we Why can't we push the margin.

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Speaker 1: To think that you're sitting here now at the age

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Speaker 4: Go in the s It's definitely not going to happen

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Speaker 5: No, I'm absolutely I'm almost one hundred percent and it's

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Speaker 5: not going to happen to me. I mean, look at

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Speaker 5: what AI did to me on the aging sequence. You

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Speaker 4: It's terrifying.

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Speaker 2: This is really it is exciting. Do you want to

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Speaker 2: live forever? So? How many apps are we looking at here, Tracey?

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Speaker 2: How many were? Okay?

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Speaker 4: Four for one hour reps every Monday night seventh.

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Speaker 2: I love the idea.

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Speaker 3: Maybe if you take some of that therapy, you can

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Speaker 3: take it out to six.

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Speaker 2: But we'll see, we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 3: It's tonight seven thirty on nine and nine Now it's

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Speaker 3: so good to see you again, Tracy, thanks for coming

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Speaker 3: into the studio, Thanks Fitzy, thank you all.

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