WEBVTT - Sharri | 9 June

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<v Speaker 1>Why On Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight my exclusive interview with Hillel Ford, whose visa was

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<v Speaker 2>canceled by Tony Burke.

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<v Speaker 1>In an utterly disgraceful move.

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<v Speaker 2>Hillel will break his silence on tonight's show, revealing what

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<v Speaker 2>he was planning to speak about and how he was

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<v Speaker 2>actually traveling on his American passport. Also tonight, a Chinese

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<v Speaker 2>insider and former CIA director join Me Live to share

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<v Speaker 2>their insights into how Shijipin killed off a leading politician.

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<v Speaker 2>Also China's plans for Taiwan. That exclusive interview coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>plus the morally repulsive Greta Thunberg forced to sit down

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<v Speaker 2>and watch forty five minutes of the Hamas massacre from

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<v Speaker 2>October seven. My thoughts on this in a moment and

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<v Speaker 2>a reporter speaks after being shot with a rubber bullet

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<v Speaker 2>in the La Riots. Discuss this with Koshergata.

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<v Speaker 1>And Howard all unfolded.

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<v Speaker 2>But first tonight I have to start with the absurdity

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<v Speaker 2>of the world in which we live. From Greta Thunberg

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<v Speaker 2>to a prominent American Jew.

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<v Speaker 1>Being denied entry to Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Greta is a morally repugnant and confused woman, and she

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<v Speaker 2>swapped her cause azure, from climate activism to hatred of

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<v Speaker 2>the Jewish state of Israel. On board a yacht, she

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<v Speaker 2>tried to go and save Gaza, not from the terrorists,

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<v Speaker 2>mind you, as Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>Is trying to do, but from Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>And when she was stopped and given a sandwich, she

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<v Speaker 2>released a video.

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<v Speaker 1>Claiming she'd been kidnapped.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the absurdity of this spectacle and the associated

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<v Speaker 2>media coverage. It's difficult to stomach, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>ignore it, as I have done for most of the

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<v Speaker 2>past week. But why I'm not tonight is because I

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<v Speaker 2>think we need to speak about the trend where Greta

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<v Speaker 2>and many on the left have swapped their environmental crusades

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<v Speaker 2>to embrace hatred for Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>It is serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the Greta show is amusing in the way it

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<v Speaker 2>is when a two year old throws a spectacular tantrum

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<v Speaker 2>in a crowded airport and you can only shrug your

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<v Speaker 2>shoulders and laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fact that.

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<v Speaker 2>So many on the left are turning hatred of Israel

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<v Speaker 2>into a fashionable cause is alarming and as a Jew,

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<v Speaker 2>dangerously frightening global warming protests abandoned, replaced by supporting her Muss,

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<v Speaker 2>who was recently as last month, killed a young protester.

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<v Speaker 1>Similar to Greta, climate action is now.

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<v Speaker 2>Forgotten and hatred of Zionists embraced. Never mind that Israel

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<v Speaker 2>is the only Jewish state in the entire world and

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<v Speaker 2>one that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is constantly under siege and terror attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Never mind that young Israeli women and entire families, including children,

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<v Speaker 2>were slaughtered and girls were raped by her Muss in

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<v Speaker 2>an actual genocide on October seven.

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<v Speaker 1>While Israel takes every effort to avoid.

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<v Speaker 2>Civilian casualties, going to great lengths to tell people to

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<v Speaker 2>leave before they take military action against terrorists, Now Greta's

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<v Speaker 2>contradictions and false claims also need to be called out.

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<v Speaker 2>The Israeli Foreign Ministry exposed her nonsense by revealing exactly

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<v Speaker 2>how much aid she was planning to deliver in what

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<v Speaker 2>they wonderfully described as her selfie yacht. They said, while

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<v Speaker 2>Greta and others attempted to stage a media provocation whose

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<v Speaker 2>sole purpose was to gain publicity and which included less

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<v Speaker 2>than a single truckload of aid, more than one two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred a trucks have entered Gaza from his Israel within

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<v Speaker 2>the past two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>And in addition, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza Humanitarian Foundation has distributed close to eleven million meals

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<v Speaker 2>directly to civilians in Gaza. The tiny amount of aid

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<v Speaker 2>that was on the yacht and not consumed by the

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<v Speaker 2>celebrities will be transferred to Gaza through real humanitarian channels.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you've probably seen today the headlines in the media.

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<v Speaker 1>That Greta claimed she'd been kidnapped.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is disappointing coverage because it's inaccurate and untruthful.

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<v Speaker 2>Because what actually happened was that the Israelis bordered the boat,

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<v Speaker 2>gave them all something to eat in some water, and

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<v Speaker 2>brought them safely to Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>And in this.

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<v Speaker 2>Footage I'm about to show you, and you can see

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<v Speaker 2>Greta's wearing a green hat and she doesn't even appear

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<v Speaker 2>to say thank you as the food, the sandwiches and

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<v Speaker 2>the water are distributed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yet for all this.

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<v Speaker 2>Wonderful treatment, Greta claimed she'd been kidnapped in a pre

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<v Speaker 2>recorded video.

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<v Speaker 1>So she assumed she was going to be kidnapped. She

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<v Speaker 1>didn't bother to wait for the facts to play out.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is Githa Timber and I am from Sweden.

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<v Speaker 1>If you see this.

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<v Speaker 4>Video, we have been intercepted and kidnapped in international waters

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<v Speaker 4>by the Israeli occupational forces or forces that support israel I.

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<v Speaker 4>Urge all my friends, family and comrades to put I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 4>on the Swedish government to release me and the others

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<v Speaker 4>as soon as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Absurd nonsense, and all of this after her must declared

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<v Speaker 2>war on Israel and still refuses to give back hostages

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<v Speaker 2>who actually were kidnapped, who Greta appears not to care

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<v Speaker 2>about it all. It was one thing for the left

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<v Speaker 2>wing politicians and the media to applaud her when she

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<v Speaker 2>first came to prominence as a schoolgirl who was skipping class,

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<v Speaker 2>But now she's a twenty two year old woman who

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<v Speaker 2>should know better, And in a stroke of genius, Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>Defense Minister Israel Katz says he'll make Greta and co

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<v Speaker 2>watch the forty five minute screening of the October seven

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<v Speaker 2>massacre before they're sent back to their home countries. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they'll learn something if they actually have the decency to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>But this entire saga and the Free.

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<v Speaker 2>Palestine movement behind it, has abandoned rationality and embraced the

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<v Speaker 2>absurd some former child activist, ignoring the actual terrorists who

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<v Speaker 2>raped women and who couldn't care less about her pet

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<v Speaker 2>cause of climate change as they spend billions firing weapons

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<v Speaker 2>at civilians in Israel. Now columnist and regular guest on

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<v Speaker 2>this program, Brendan O'Neil had some fun with this. In

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<v Speaker 2>an article, he described it as sanctimony on the high

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<v Speaker 2>seas and ocean going virtue signaling, and he says it's

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<v Speaker 2>an entirely self serving stunt masquerading as an act of charity.

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<v Speaker 2>He writes, as they take selfies of themselves sobbing into

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<v Speaker 2>their kefiars over what a uniquely barbarous nation Israel is.

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<v Speaker 2>Israel is literally saving Palestinian lives. They do moral pantomime

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<v Speaker 2>for likes and clicks. Israel does actual aid with very

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<v Speaker 2>little thanks, and as Brendan rightly points out, Israel is

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<v Speaker 2>feeding Gaza. On Thursday alone, one point four million meals

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<v Speaker 2>were distributed in Gaza. Israel and America's new aid center

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<v Speaker 2>that gives aid directly, that gives food directly to Palestinians

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<v Speaker 2>is working. When the United Nations distributed aid and food

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<v Speaker 2>her musk was looting it and then reselling some at

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<v Speaker 2>inflated prices that most Palestinians couldn't afford.

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<v Speaker 1>And now the.

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<v Speaker 2>United Nations is upset because they don't have control of

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<v Speaker 2>AID and.

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinians are actually getting food.

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<v Speaker 2>But Brendan O'Neil makes an excellent point that really resonates

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<v Speaker 2>with me, and it's partly why, as I say, I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to speak about this topic tonight. He says, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't be the only person who finds it chilling that

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<v Speaker 2>the world's only Jewish nation has become the target of rich,

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<v Speaker 2>bored Westerners, fashionable rage. This activism isn't just risible, it's dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is how I feel, and I've been so

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<v Speaker 2>exasperated over it, despair that hating Israel has become the

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<v Speaker 2>cause de jure. The sole obsession with Israel is disturbing

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<v Speaker 2>in the media and in politics, and it's one the

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<v Speaker 2>Albaneze government has embraced, of course, seemingly without any care

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<v Speaker 2>for the Jewish Australians who've worked so hard to help

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<v Speaker 2>build our nation into what it is today, a society

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<v Speaker 2>that they.

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<v Speaker 1>Seem so intent on tearing down.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's without surprise that prominent American Israeli entrepreneur

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<v Speaker 2>Hillel Ford has been banned from entering our country for

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<v Speaker 2>three years. The Albanese government and specifically Home Affairs Minister

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Burke, claim he's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Threat to our peace and safety.

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<v Speaker 2>The letter he was sent counseling his visa says, I

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<v Speaker 2>consider that segments of the Australian community would be concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about the visa holder's denial of mainstream media reporting of

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<v Speaker 2>the Palestinian killings and the inflammatory comments made by the

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<v Speaker 2>visa holder in multiple social media posts. I mean, is

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<v Speaker 2>this the freedom of speech police? You have to now

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<v Speaker 2>believe that there was a massacre in Gaza by Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, there wasn't a massacre. Tony Burke is taking

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<v Speaker 2>harmas propaganda as gospel instead of distorted lies from a

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<v Speaker 2>terror regime.

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<v Speaker 1>And the letter that Tony.

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<v Speaker 2>Burke sent him also points to other tweets where Hillel

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<v Speaker 2>discusses the percentage of those radicalized by fundamentalist Islam. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>there's extensive research into this area where studies analyze what

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<v Speaker 2>percentage of people view the nine to eleven attacks as justified.

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<v Speaker 2>So should you really be banned from Australia for sending

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<v Speaker 2>a tweet about a highly researched subject field that academics

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia and.

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<v Speaker 1>Around the world work on full time. I mean, it's bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>None of his comments amount to hate speech or Islamophobia,

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<v Speaker 2>as Tony Burke claims, but they are pro Israel and

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<v Speaker 2>they do disagree with the preferred narrative of the Albanezi

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<v Speaker 2>government and the likes of Greta Thunberg. Now Hillel will

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<v Speaker 2>be on the show tonight. It's an exclusive interview and

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<v Speaker 2>he says he was flawed when his visa was canceled.

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<v Speaker 5>I literally had to read the email like five times.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, there's no way that a government is

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<v Speaker 5>banning some random guy who writes on the internet. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not a politician or anything. I had to read the

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<v Speaker 5>email literally five times. The topic of my talk wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>even politics or anything to do with gods or anything

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<v Speaker 5>like that. I was there to talk about how Israel

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<v Speaker 5>and Israeli innovation is changing the world and making the

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<v Speaker 5>world a better place.

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<v Speaker 6>What's inflammatory about that?

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<v Speaker 2>And you can watch that coming up shortly on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>But this has become a diplomatic incident now with the

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<v Speaker 2>United States involved, the US Ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee

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<v Speaker 2>has written personally to Tony Burke asking him to reconsider

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<v Speaker 2>his decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a copy of Mike Kakibee's email and it

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<v Speaker 2>says mister Ford has both US and Israeli citizenship and

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<v Speaker 2>is a well known executive entrepreneur in the high tech

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<v Speaker 2>industry in both Israel and the United States. He also

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<v Speaker 2>posts extensive content on various social media platforms that he

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<v Speaker 2>uses for advocacy for the innocent civilians murdered on October

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<v Speaker 2>seven by Hamas and for the over two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty hostages taken that day. He says, mister Ford is

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<v Speaker 2>a highly respected member in his community and well known

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<v Speaker 2>in Israel. He says, while he holds strong views against

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<v Speaker 2>terror and the kind of massacre that occurred on October seven,

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<v Speaker 2>he would pose no threat to the people of Australia

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<v Speaker 2>by his actions or words. I mean, this is next

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<v Speaker 2>level the United States intervening in one of Tony Burke's

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous visa decisions, and once again I feel the perplexity

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<v Speaker 2>of living in an upside down universe. And adding to

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<v Speaker 2>The irony of this is that there's been no action

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<v Speaker 2>at all from the Albanezy government against the hate preachers,

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<v Speaker 2>some of whom are in Tony Burke's own electorate. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>remember this incident on the streets of lakember on October eight.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Day of courage, right, so that is tolerated. Yet a

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<v Speaker 2>pro Israel American Jew traveling on his United States passport,

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<v Speaker 2>who never ever promotes violence is denied entry. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a free speech issue, but it's far far

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<v Speaker 2>more concerning than that it's banning a prominent innocent Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>man from entering Australia. It seems to me and to

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<v Speaker 2>so many Australian Jews, that I know that this Albanezi

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<v Speaker 2>government is presiding over a terrifying period of racism and

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism.

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<v Speaker 1>This visa decision, which is.

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<v Speaker 2>As frightening as it is baffling, does nothing to help

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<v Speaker 2>the impression that the government is no friend of Israel

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<v Speaker 2>and no friend of Jews. And at least now the

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<v Speaker 2>whole world knows exactly what we're dealing with. And as

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Hillel Ford will be on my show shortly

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<v Speaker 2>for that exclusive interview but before we get to that,

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<v Speaker 2>let's bring in tonight's panel, Sky News host Joe Hildebrand

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<v Speaker 2>and former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes.

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<v Speaker 6>Good evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Now let's talk about the LA rights Now. Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has deployed the National Guard to help deal with

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<v Speaker 2>these violent riots that have rocked Los Angeles. Hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>people have swarmed the streets since the weekend protesting Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>immigration crackdown, and then today this was the moment that

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<v Speaker 2>Australian nine News journalist Lauren Tamasi was hit with a

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<v Speaker 2>rubber bullet.

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<v Speaker 6>Them through.

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<v Speaker 2>Not just shocking, and she spoke about that experience in

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<v Speaker 2>nine years tonight.

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<v Speaker 7>Peter, I'm okay. My cameraman Jimmy and I are both safe.

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<v Speaker 7>This is just one of the unfortunate realities of reporting

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<v Speaker 7>on these kinds of incidents. It has been a really

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<v Speaker 7>volatile day on the streets of Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 1>Holly, let's start with you.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you make of the scenes We've been looking

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<v Speaker 2>this chaos in LA over the past few dates.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I think Donald Trump said when he was coming

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<v Speaker 8>into office that he was going to crack down on

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<v Speaker 8>illegal immigrants, and that is what he is doing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's what he's said he's going to do.

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<v Speaker 8>Obviously, California has very democratic left leaning bent to it,

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<v Speaker 8>but also a high population of immigrants there who are

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<v Speaker 8>in effect legal because they aren't there on valid visas,

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<v Speaker 8>and so the protests are coming again, I would suggest,

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<v Speaker 8>and I saw in some of the footage there was

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<v Speaker 8>some Palestinian flags there. It's you know, they're just professional

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<v Speaker 8>protesters now, but it's now getting to the point that

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<v Speaker 8>the violence and the escalation that you're seeing from the protesters,

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<v Speaker 8>but then the National Guard coming in. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 8>think that's horrific what happened to that journalist, But you know,

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<v Speaker 8>I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>It's he's doing what he said he was going to do.

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<v Speaker 8>And as I said, I think it's the protesters now

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<v Speaker 8>just pick any cause to celeb they can, and you

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<v Speaker 8>will find when you look through some of that footage

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<v Speaker 8>there's Palestinian flags and all sorts of other things going

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<v Speaker 8>on in the bid to just continue to push left

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<v Speaker 8>wing causes.

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<v Speaker 9>With the omni cause, is it, brenda'neel. I think as

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<v Speaker 9>you're talking about before, coined the term the omni cause,

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<v Speaker 9>where you have to believe in this sort of whole

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<v Speaker 9>shopping trolley full of ideologies. So it doesn't matter if

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<v Speaker 9>it's illegal immigration or Palestine or you know, it was

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<v Speaker 9>Vietnam in the nineteen sixties and seventies, climate change at.

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<v Speaker 8>All this it was Tesla a couple of months ago,

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<v Speaker 8>and now I don't know, is that back now.

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<v Speaker 9>The whole point point is that it's a lot like

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, it's a lot like gang violence as well.

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<v Speaker 9>It's not like kids. You know, the peer pressure that

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<v Speaker 9>kids feel to join criminal gangs because that's how they

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<v Speaker 9>get status. And this is how young radicalized off and

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<v Speaker 9>overprivileged union students with no actual oppression themselves to bother them.

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<v Speaker 9>They have to sort of show how badass they are

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<v Speaker 9>or how you know, out there they are, how much

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<v Speaker 9>they care about they may and it's all about Conswiler

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<v Speaker 9>gets deported. Yes, have to stack the dishwasher themselves. And

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<v Speaker 9>this is the thing, because it is all about it

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<v Speaker 9>is not actually about the cause. It is all about

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<v Speaker 9>the protest. It's not actually about the outcomes for the

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<v Speaker 9>people they prepaent. Yeah, that's right, but it doesn't actually

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, these sorts of things bolster Trump. These things

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<v Speaker 9>actually help Donald Trump look more sane because these people

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<v Speaker 9>look insane by comparison. Now we've seen these protests, these

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<v Speaker 9>riots break out again and again on similar types of

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<v Speaker 9>issues we've had with Rodney King. Did that change anything?

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<v Speaker 9>Got ro J? Simpson off the hook? So maybe it did.

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<v Speaker 9>Then you've got then you had the Black Lives Matter protest.

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<v Speaker 9>Now what happened after that? Donald Trump and the Republicans

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<v Speaker 9>get re elected in this elected back again after everyone

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<v Speaker 9>thought they were toast. Because suddenly people who are looking

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<v Speaker 9>out from their homes and seeing the sort of crazy

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<v Speaker 9>lawlesses and seeing people say, oh, we're going to defund

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<v Speaker 9>the police are going, holy crap.

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<v Speaker 2>That's and I think we forget the absolute crime, the violence,

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<v Speaker 2>the mayhem of those Black Lives Matter protests.

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<v Speaker 1>Shop Front Oregon was on fire.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean basically parts of Seattle and Oregon were on

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<v Speaker 8>fire during that and became just completely anachemistic dates and

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<v Speaker 8>you know, people were having to leave because it was

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<v Speaker 8>completely unsafe to stay. And what was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 8>some form of utopia for these protesters just became in itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Assess bit of violence with rhyme.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I'm going to come back to that topic as

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<v Speaker 2>well a bit later with kosher data. But obviously it's

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<v Speaker 2>a public holiday today for most people. The King's Birthday,

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<v Speaker 2>not the Queen's birthday. The King's birthday and our former

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister Scott Morrison was appointed a Companion of the

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<v Speaker 2>Order of Australia. It's the highest award in the King's

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<v Speaker 2>Birthday honors list. But there has been a backlash today

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<v Speaker 2>to this. I mean, Jenni Price and even want to

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<v Speaker 2>mention her name in the Herald. She wrote a piece

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<v Speaker 2>saying honoring Morrison makes a mockery of awards. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a change dot og petition set up which had more

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<v Speaker 2>than ten thousand signatures calling on the honor to be rescinded.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Holly, what do you think you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, we all have a different view on how

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<v Speaker 2>the pandemic should have been handled.

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<v Speaker 1>In hindsight, this is a bit excessive, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm sure Jenna is a huge monarchist, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 8>she's hugely supportive of the King's honors, and I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>I guess you know that's where her You know, she's

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<v Speaker 8>been so grossly offended by this because she would have

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<v Speaker 8>been such a huge monarchist and put such value on

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<v Speaker 8>these awards. I have no problem with Scott getting the award.

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<v Speaker 8>I think hindsight it's a wonderful thing. And the reality

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<v Speaker 8>is Scott Morrison kept an awful lot of people in

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<v Speaker 8>jobs and a lot of businesses afloat during a very

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<v Speaker 8>uncertain time in this country. My one feeling with these

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<v Speaker 8>awards overall is I think they should be for people

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<v Speaker 8>who go over and above, who contribute to their community

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<v Speaker 8>and the society for something they're not necessarily being paid

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<v Speaker 8>to do.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think getting on a and this is not

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<v Speaker 3>just Scott.

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<v Speaker 8>There's plenty of these people that have been given them,

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<v Speaker 8>a lot of journalists, a lot of sports people who

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<v Speaker 8>earn a lot of money doing their job receiving these

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<v Speaker 8>sorts of awards and honors.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I agree with that. I have to say I

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<v Speaker 9>have no problem with I mean, I don't know why

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<v Speaker 9>people get so upset about something happening to someone else

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<v Speaker 9>that doesn't affect them at all. Like you're going to

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<v Speaker 9>go you're going to go through the entire I actually did, obviously,

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<v Speaker 9>but go through the entire awards list and say, oh

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<v Speaker 9>I don't approve of that one, or I don't know

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<v Speaker 9>what's he Professor of again, Oh, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 9>he so like, of course people are going to get them.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm with Paul Keating, who famously refused to accept one

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<v Speaker 9>after his prime miniship, saying no, I was just doing

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<v Speaker 9>my job.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you ever get this show, you'll be knocking.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 9>I will take it. I will absolutely one percent take it.

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<v Speaker 9>But because I think it's kind of rude not to

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<v Speaker 9>like it's a bit sort of sanctimary.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh no, don't give me the award. Give it to someone.

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<v Speaker 9>But I don't think it's a choice I'll ever have

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<v Speaker 9>to make.

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<v Speaker 3>You think me it is.

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<v Speaker 9>It is the people, you know, it's the you know,

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<v Speaker 9>it's the lady who goes indoor knocks for the Salvos

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<v Speaker 9>or raises money for Viny's for the homeless. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>they are the people who should be getting the people

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<v Speaker 9>don't get recognition normally, although that's right. And the people

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<v Speaker 9>who don't do it because they're paid, people who do

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<v Speaker 9>it because you know, not as a vocation, not as

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<v Speaker 9>a profession, but.

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<v Speaker 8>All have a PR agency pushing it behind.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's that's right.

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<v Speaker 9>And my PR agency, by the way, is Hildebrand Public Affairs.

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<v Speaker 8>Counsel very Do you know what might be my last

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<v Speaker 8>job as a Senator in the next twenty days is

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<v Speaker 8>actually signing the King's Honors letters because I write to

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<v Speaker 8>every New South Wales recipient and congratulate them, and that

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<v Speaker 8>could be my very last job.

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<v Speaker 9>So it's Joe Underscore Hildebrand right, No, I no know.

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<v Speaker 3>It all comes on a beautiful letter, it does.

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<v Speaker 8>And I get in trouble if I know them and

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<v Speaker 8>I don't personalize it with their name, you know, so

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<v Speaker 8>I have to write little personal notes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's lovely. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Morrison has given interviews to mark his award, and

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<v Speaker 2>in one of them he told The Australian that the

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<v Speaker 2>weaponization of what happened over the alleged events in Parliament

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<v Speaker 2>House with Britney Higgins, which has played out in the courts,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, the weaponization of these things politically by my opponents,

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<v Speaker 2>both within the Parliament.

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<v Speaker 1>And outside it.

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<v Speaker 2>He says he thinks that was a new Lowmark and

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<v Speaker 2>I think, looking back, it is shocking how this rape

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<v Speaker 2>and we can say it was a rape because just

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<v Speaker 2>as Michael Lee found that in all probability it was

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<v Speaker 2>a rape, Holly, looking back, it's shocking how this rape

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<v Speaker 2>of a young woman was weaponized against the Coalition government.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I was sitting in the Senate chamber when the

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<v Speaker 8>attacks were occurring on Linda Reynolds, and the absolute bombardment

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<v Speaker 8>and the treatment of her was like nothing I've ever

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<v Speaker 8>seen before in my life. It was completely politicized, it

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<v Speaker 8>was completely weaponized. It was absolutely disgraceful what happened. But look,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, one day of mediation, Brittany get a settlement

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<v Speaker 8>because she was never going to work again. But isn't

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<v Speaker 8>it great to hear she's feeling so much better and

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<v Speaker 8>got a job.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah. I think I've found the whole thing very very sickening,

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<v Speaker 9>to be honest, that the Christian Porter stuff in the

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<v Speaker 9>way that that was handled. These are incredibly serious matters.

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<v Speaker 9>You do not use rape as a political football, and

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<v Speaker 9>people doing that I think have been very very chastened

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<v Speaker 9>by what has actually transpired since, I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 9>actually sit there. I was in the room when Justice

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<v Speaker 9>Michael Lee handed down his verdict. I listened to it

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<v Speaker 9>across the two or three hours.

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<v Speaker 1>He was damning about it.

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<v Speaker 9>He was absolutely notwithstanding the very right findings he made

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<v Speaker 9>about what actually happened, but his description of the behavior,

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<v Speaker 9>the way it was handled, the way it was reported,

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<v Speaker 9>should be extremely sobering reading. And it is not an

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<v Speaker 9>endorsement of those who sought to use this for political marlins.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly the whole thing, as I've reported at length here

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<v Speaker 2>and broadcast secret tapes, the whole thing was exploited for

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<v Speaker 2>political purposes, not by Brittany, but by others around her,

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<v Speaker 2>and by certainly labor politicians. And now, just before we go,

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<v Speaker 2>you might have heard the news today that a show

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<v Speaker 2>we all never watch, the Project, has been can This

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<v Speaker 2>is why it's been canned. No one ever watches it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's going to be replaced by a one hour

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<v Speaker 2>night they show down the track.

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<v Speaker 1>But Joe, I wanted to raise it with.

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<v Speaker 2>You because your good friend Sarah Harris has lost her job.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a wonderful journalist Center and so it's a bittersweet

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<v Speaker 2>because she's now out of work, and she did a

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<v Speaker 2>terrific job.

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<v Speaker 9>She did a great job. She was really good, and

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<v Speaker 9>I think full credit to I hope I'm not speaking

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<v Speaker 9>out a school, full credit to Channel ten. They did

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<v Speaker 9>sort of, you know, try to find something else for her.

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<v Speaker 9>But she is just exhausted, she's got a really young family.

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<v Speaker 9>She was flying down to Melbourne every single week, spending

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<v Speaker 9>half the week down there. She was missing her two

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<v Speaker 9>young boys. I talked to her just about every day. Fact,

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<v Speaker 9>I just got a miss call from her literally five

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<v Speaker 9>minutes ago and had to text her and say I'm

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<v Speaker 9>on air. But she just loves her boys so much.

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<v Speaker 9>She wants she needs to spend more time in them.

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<v Speaker 9>She's absolutely exhausted and so she just felt that she

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<v Speaker 9>needed to have a clean break in sort to just recalibrate.

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<v Speaker 9>So I'm sure she'll be back in one form or another.

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<v Speaker 6>But she was.

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<v Speaker 9>I think we could probably all agree that she was

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<v Speaker 9>definitely the best thing about that show, and she's a

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<v Speaker 9>top sick.

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<v Speaker 1>She'll be back, and it's a bittersweet for her. At

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<v Speaker 1>least you'll get some family time now.

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<v Speaker 9>I think she's actually quite she's really relieved.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, to be honest, you have to be away

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<v Speaker 1>from her.

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<v Speaker 8>I've got some time in my diary.

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<v Speaker 1>So we lunches Day.

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<v Speaker 9>Five from Channel ten. Not the end of the world, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Polly Hughes join hit around.

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<v Speaker 3>Great to see, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's return to Tony Bak's decision to target Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>American Hillel Fuld, barring him from entering Australia not just

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<v Speaker 2>now but for three years. This is, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>a clear attack on free speech. It also risks a

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<v Speaker 2>diplomatic incident with both Israel and America.

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<v Speaker 1>I spoke exclusive, exclusively with Hillel Ford a little earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Hillel, thank you so much for speaking to us after

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<v Speaker 2>this appalling decision. What was your reaction when you found

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<v Speaker 2>out that the Albanezy government here in Australia had banned

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 2>you from entering our country?

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<v Speaker 5>And literally I had to read the email like five times.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, there's no way that a government is

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<v Speaker 5>banning some random guy who writes on the internet. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not a politician or anything. I had to read the

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<v Speaker 5>email literally five times.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in that letter they point to some of your

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:56.359
<v Speaker 2>views that they claim amount to Islamophobia or hate speech?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the tone of what you usually speak about online?

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<v Speaker 5>Anybody who follows me online knows that my tweets are

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<v Speaker 5>error violent or discriminatory. In fact, the tweet that they

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<v Speaker 5>quoted first in this document was me denying that there

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<v Speaker 5>was a massacre in Gaza last week, which we now

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 5>know there wasn't. So again, it was accurate, and something

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 5>that I'm very very careful about in terms of my

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 5>reporting is to be accurate. So there's no Islamophobia in

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:23.920
<v Speaker 5>my tweets, there's no incitement, there's no racism of any kind.

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 5>It really is just a ridiculous excuse to ban someone

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<v Speaker 5>who has pro is rel.

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Views, and that's what it comes down to. You ask

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<v Speaker 2>strongly pro Israel.

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<v Speaker 5>That's right, And let's not forget this is an important

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 5>point that not many people reported on, which is that

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<v Speaker 5>I applied for my visa on my American passport. It's

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<v Speaker 5>really absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I'm Israeli.

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<v Speaker 5>So what they're doing is banning an American citizen fromentering Australia,

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<v Speaker 5>which is a whole different level of crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>The letter from the Albanezy government includes a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>examples of what they claim or your controversial views. You

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the number of people radicalized in one comment

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<v Speaker 2>on X. In another you say differentiating between Gazans and

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas is dishonest.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think these views are so.

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<v Speaker 2>Controversial that they should prevent you from visiting Australia for

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<v Speaker 2>three years?

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<v Speaker 6>As far as Gazans.

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<v Speaker 5>We had thousands of Gazans coming to Israel on October seventh.

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<v Speaker 5>Most of Gaza elected Kamas, and many of them, as

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<v Speaker 5>you saw, paraded the hostages.

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<v Speaker 6>Around when they were being released.

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<v Speaker 5>So we're talking about a society that's deeply, deeply indoctrinated.

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<v Speaker 5>Not to say, by the way, this is important that

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<v Speaker 5>there are no innocent people in Gaza. Of course there are,

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<v Speaker 5>but that is a completely irrelevant point because again, there's

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<v Speaker 5>never been a war in which innocent people were not killed.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's sad, but that's the reality of war. Israel

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<v Speaker 5>did not want this war. Israel did not start any

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 5>war ever. But Israel also never lost any more, and

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<v Speaker 5>that will be the case in this war as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And Hillo, whether people agree with your views is actually

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<v Speaker 2>beside the point. This is a free speech issue and

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<v Speaker 2>surely not everyone who comes into the country has to

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<v Speaker 2>agree with the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, where do you draw?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, anybody who's pro Israel opinions won't be allowed

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<v Speaker 5>into Australia. It's it's obviously a dangerous slippery slope. It's

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<v Speaker 5>not something that I think a government should you know,

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 5>partake in at all. But I gotta be honest. Our enemies,

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 5>the pro Hamas crowd, that's something kind of brilliant. They

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 5>align their agenda and their narrative with free speech, which

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 5>is something they do quite often. There's nothing, you know,

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 5>free speech about inciting actual violence like globalize the anti file,

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<v Speaker 5>which literally means a violent uprising on the global stage

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 5>against Jews. And yet that's you know, not frowned. The

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 5>pinebo and Hillo fold says that there was no massacre

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 5>in Gaza, which again is a fact all of a sudden.

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<v Speaker 5>That's hate speech, that's in Islamophobia.

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<v Speaker 6>It's absurd.

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<v Speaker 2>The decision from Tony Burkosso says, you have the potential

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<v Speaker 2>to use your speaking circuit to make inflammatory statements which

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 2>can incite discord.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's concern here about.

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<v Speaker 2>The way the pro Palestinian activists might respond to what

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 2>you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's victim blaming, isn't it. Isn't it.

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 2>It's stopping the Jew coming to the country in case

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<v Speaker 2>the pro Palestinian crowd grow violent.

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<v Speaker 6>That's right, it's absolutely absurd.

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 5>But furthermore, the topic of my talk wasn't even politics

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 5>or anything to do with gods or anything like that.

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 5>I was there to talk about how Israel and Israeli

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<v Speaker 5>innovation is changing the world and making the world a

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:18.720
<v Speaker 5>better place.

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:20.280
<v Speaker 6>What's inflammatory about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the United States government has had to try and

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<v Speaker 2>step in and implore the Australian government to reconsider its

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 2>decision on your visa. Have you heard whether there's been

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 2>a response to America's letter.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 5>It's kind of funny that I've become a diplomatic crisis,

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<v Speaker 5>but yeah, Ambassador Huckaby is a friend both of mine

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 5>and my families and of the Jewish people in the

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:41.720
<v Speaker 5>State of Israel.

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 6>So he was the first person that I.

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 5>Emailed to let him know what was going on. He

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 5>wrote back a beautiful letter, which was sent to the

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 5>government in Australia, of course, and I had not heard back.

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 5>Not only did I now hear back as a result

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 5>of his letter, but I appealed, you know when about

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 5>it the normal way. And in addition to Ambassador Huckabee,

0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 5>we have Israel's foreign minister, we have Israel's warmer ambassador

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<v Speaker 5>to the UN, and many many other diplomatic channels that

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<v Speaker 5>are trying to solve this problem. I've not heard back

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<v Speaker 5>a peep, not a word from the Australian government.

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<v Speaker 2>And I should mention, while this has become a major

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 2>diplomatic incident. Now, you didn't even want publicity about this.

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 2>You told me about this decision on what would have

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 2>been Friday lunchtime your time, Friday night, my time, but

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 2>you didn't want me to report it. You wanted it

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 2>resolved behind the scenes. You weren't looking for this to

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 2>become a big issue.

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 6>That's right.

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 5>I have no reason to throw anyone under the bus

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.239
<v Speaker 5>as long as it's solved. Now it's Monday and I'm

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 5>supposed to be flying tomorrow, so clearly this will not

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 5>be solved, especially since there's a holiday in Australia. So

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 5>fair to assume that this is not going to be solved.

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 5>And so now is the time to let the world

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 5>know that this is pure antisemitism. And if you need

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 5>evidence to that effect, i'll just mention that. Again, not

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 5>something that many people have reported, but I did receive

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 5>through a channel, not directly, from an official in Australia

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 5>who said to me, if we can reverse this, and

0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 5>I can't promise that we can, but if we can

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 5>reverse this, I need you to commit to not discussing

0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 5>your dead brother. Literally, that's what they told me. You

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:07.719
<v Speaker 5>could come, but you can't mention your brother who's murdered

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 5>by an Arab kid.

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 6>And I was like, are you kidding me right now?

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>That's insane? Can you tell us who said that?

0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 5>I received it indirectly, so I don't actually know the

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 5>name of the person. I received it from the people

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 5>who are flying me in who asked me. I was

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 5>told that if you can commit to that, we might

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:23.120
<v Speaker 5>be able to reverse the decision. I didn't speak directly

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 5>to the persons. I don't have a name for you,

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 5>but it came from the highest levels in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absurd.

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 2>That is so offensive to ask you not to speak

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 2>about your brother who was killed. What sort of reputation

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:39.480
<v Speaker 2>is Australia getting in Israel and the United States when

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 2>it comes to this issue.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think Australia is jumping on the bandwagon of

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 5>all the Jew hatred across the world. Right we see parliaments,

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 5>whether it's in Canada and the UK or many other

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 5>countries South Africa. Of course, you know this is what

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 5>happens throughout our history. You know, the Jew is scapegoaded

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 5>and everyone jumps in and joins the party. So this

0:33:56.960 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 5>is not something you know that surprises anyone. But as

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 5>a general statement, it's shocking to me that I've seen

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 5>this level of anti sempitism in my lifetime. Again, this

0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 5>is not something new we see in every generation, but

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 5>I a million year has never thought that I would

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 5>see this in my lifetime. And I'll tell you even furthermore.

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 5>On October seventh, as an optimistic guy, I said to myself,

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.719
<v Speaker 5>if there's any silver lining here, it's that the world

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 5>will definitely stand alongside Israel. I mean Commas live streamed

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 5>that there's no scenario, I said to myself in which

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 5>the world doesn't stand with us, and that support for

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:29.880
<v Speaker 5>Israel lasted about twenty four hours, probably less.

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<v Speaker 6>It's absurd.

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:35.280
<v Speaker 5>It's absurd because not only is Israel an incredible country

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 5>that has done nothing but good in the world, but

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 5>the Jewish people as a nation have done so much

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 5>good in These anti Semites in general often use Israeli

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 5>technology to spread hatred against Israel, whether it's WICS websites

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 5>that they're building, BDS websites onto, which is a website

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 5>builder obviously an Israeli company, and many many other examples.

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 5>When you take a phone, when you take a picture

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 5>with your phone, dual lens technology on phones was developed

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 5>by in Israeli In ways berogation list obviously goes on.

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 5>So if they're going to hit on us, then stop

0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 5>using our products.

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Look, Hillo, I'm so sorry this has happened to you.

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 2>We're all sitting back in horror over this. We're ashamed

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:14.840
<v Speaker 2>of our own government. Thank you so much for speaking

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 2>out and for your time tonight.

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 6>Thank you.

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:20.200
<v Speaker 1>All right, still to come.

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 2>How elon Musk's revelations threaten the Trump administration.

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:26.399
<v Speaker 1>Koshagada will discuss a little later, but.

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<v Speaker 2>First the Chinese insider and a former CIA director join

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 2>me live to reveal what they know about China's plans

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<v Speaker 2>for Taiwan.

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<v Speaker 1>That's next. Welcome back. Well, when I was investigating the.

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<v Speaker 2>Origins of COVID nineteen in wu Han, I met Diamond Lu.

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:49.239
<v Speaker 2>She was one of the first to discover there was

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:51.880
<v Speaker 2>a new coronavirus, and this was well before it was

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 2>made public.

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 1>She tried to alert the White House.

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<v Speaker 10>I learned there was an unusual exercise the Chinese government

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:06.280
<v Speaker 10>during the military games, and so I told Diamond about

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:11.840
<v Speaker 10>the possibility of the Chinese government using some strange weapons,

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 10>including biological weapons, because I knew they were doing experiments

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 10>of that sort.

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<v Speaker 1>There was nothing in the news at the time. I

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 1>mean it was no one had mentioned.

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 11>A think no, no one had mentioned the d.

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 2>But the White House didn't act quickly enough. Now Diamond

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 2>is married to Bob Sutinger. He's former CIA also a

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 2>former Deputy National Intelligence Officer on the National Intelligence Council,

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 2>and he's just released a book. Ten years he's been

0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 2>working on this book, and it's on China. It's called

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 2>The Conscience of the Party Who You Bung, China's communist reformer.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm pleased to.

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<v Speaker 2>Say both Diamond and Bob are in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>And join us live in studio. Welcome to you both. Diamond.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we had so many conversations.

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 2>I worked with you quite closely over a couple of years,

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 2>but we've never actually met before because it was during

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 2>the COVID lockdown. So it's so wonderful to have you

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:15.359
<v Speaker 2>here in Australia and meet you in person. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you think back to that time when you were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to alert the White House and there were some figures

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 2>like Matt Pottinger who took your warning seriously, but the

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 2>White House didn't act on it. Well.

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<v Speaker 11>The American government, as some say, is like a huge

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 11>aircraft carrier. It takes a while for it to get going.

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 11>And the NSC, especially in the person of Matt Parlinger,

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 11>the actor, very quickly, but to get the rest of

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.760
<v Speaker 11>the US government to act it took a while.

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.320
<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't just that they were slow to act,

0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 2>but it's that you were hearing. And it was true

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 2>that whistleblowers and doctors were being killed, but there was

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 2>this attitude in the West like that couldn't possibly be

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 2>true of the communist regime in China.

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 1>They couldn't possibly be killing whistleblowers.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, well, that has something to do Starting with the

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 11>Carter administration. They tried to see the Chinese Communist Party

0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 11>government as a normal government. But there's nothing normal about it.

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 11>No government can be normal when you killed tens of

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 11>millions of your own people. And that's what has done

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 11>to several very violent mass campaigns and the COVID pandemic.

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 11>You could actually put it down as one of the

0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:57.879
<v Speaker 11>mass campaigns, except at this point we don't know how

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:02.320
<v Speaker 11>many people have died. It would be unions or even

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:03.400
<v Speaker 11>tens of millions.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob, let's bring you in now in Australia, where in

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:10.920
<v Speaker 2>a sense, on the front line, we've been dealing with

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 2>an increasingly aggressive China that's been seeking to intimidate in

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:19.720
<v Speaker 2>our region. Just one example, the live fire exercises off

0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 2>the coast of our country.

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 1>With no warning, no warning at all.

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 2>It was an aeroplane pilot that alerted the Australian government.

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<v Speaker 2>What is China seeking to do here? Why is it

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<v Speaker 2>behaving this way at this time?

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<v Speaker 12>I think the probably the main reason why they're doing

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<v Speaker 12>this has to do more with Taiwan than with Australia.

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 12>They are well aware that the United States is the

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 12>primary backer of Taiwan, but they also know that Australia

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:51.400
<v Speaker 12>and the United States have very close and longstanding ties.

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 12>What China has seen operating in Ukraine is the drawing

0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.880
<v Speaker 12>together of a coalition of a sort, maybe not a

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 12>very tight one, but one that draws upon other allies

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 12>of the United States. And they don't want Australia to

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:10.160
<v Speaker 12>participate in anything in the neighborhood of Taiwan. They don't

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:13.840
<v Speaker 12>want a reaction from Australia that would support either Taiwan's

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 12>quester independence or United States actions there. So they're sending

0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:21.440
<v Speaker 12>a warning and they're showing a capability. They haven't done

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 12>this before, but they want people in Australia to know

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:27.120
<v Speaker 12>that they can and that they can appear on your

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 12>shore without much notice, and they can be a factor

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 12>in your decision making.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the very presence of Trump was meant to

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 2>act as a deterrent two figures like Shijingping.

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 1>But we can now see that he is a pacifist.

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:45.840
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't like war.

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 2>So do you think this is still so much of

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:51.759
<v Speaker 2>a deterrent to she when he's thinking about whether to

0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:54.320
<v Speaker 2>invade or reunify Taiwan.

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<v Speaker 12>I don't know whether that is an active factor in

0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:00.680
<v Speaker 12>his thinking. I don't obviously, I don't know what he's thinking,

0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:05.279
<v Speaker 12>but I'm sure he understands because President Trump has said

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:09.440
<v Speaker 12>it repeatedly that he likes to make deals, and like

0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 12>all presidents, he likes to believe that his association with

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:17.719
<v Speaker 12>leaders of other nations can become a sort of a friendship, uh,

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:23.879
<v Speaker 12>and that can act as an influence on what that

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 12>president needs to do. Who needs to do or not

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:32.319
<v Speaker 12>to do. So, I think that that that he, the

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.400
<v Speaker 12>President Trump, wants to engage with she did being he

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 12>wants to take his measure. He knows he's tough. Uh.

0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 12>He knows he's got a lot of problems economically and politically.

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:46.319
<v Speaker 12>Uh and and therefore he is seeking to try to

0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 12>ameliorate some of the pressures that are building up and

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:51.760
<v Speaker 12>they've been pretty extreme. Uh and and to and to

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 12>bring the temperature down in the US China relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I mean, I want to get your view. What

0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:59.880
<v Speaker 2>do you think we're going to see high out with Taiwan?

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:04.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, could it be an agreement, just a peaceful

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 2>reunification in a way like what happened with Hong Kong,

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 2>or do you think we might see military invasion?

0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:14.319
<v Speaker 1>Well the.

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:22.800
<v Speaker 11>Communists, which in China course of a reunification is actually

0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 11>it has to be accomplished through any invasion and it's

0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 11>a long term ago. Scholars in the United States have

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 11>documented that they want the Taiwan since nineteen fifty, in

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 11>its words, an ideology. They want to control all Chinese

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:56.279
<v Speaker 11>speaking world. They want to dominate the Chinese speaking world,

0:42:56.440 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 11>and Taiwan is the only Chinese speaking territory or I

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:08.880
<v Speaker 11>would like to say a country that is not under

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:14.439
<v Speaker 11>the CCP regime's control. So they would do it one

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:18.239
<v Speaker 11>way of the other, as they have repeatedly said, they

0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:21.839
<v Speaker 11>would not rule out violent actions.

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Do you think it could happen as early as twenty

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 2>twenty seven as some predict.

0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 11>I would not use a time frame to predate because

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 11>there are many dynamic variables. One thing could slow it down,

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 11>another thing can speed it up. For instance, there's a

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:51.200
<v Speaker 11>huge power struggle. Now there are many indications that there are.

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:54.480
<v Speaker 1>There is a power.

0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:55.400
<v Speaker 11>Struggle going on.

0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 1>With President She.

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 11>Perish Year is the target being struggled against. As long

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:09.359
<v Speaker 11>as they are fighting with each other, they can't make

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:14.560
<v Speaker 11>a decision about invasion. Now in that case, as long

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:20.960
<v Speaker 11>they're fighting, Taiwan has more time. If Si Jinping wins

0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:26.839
<v Speaker 11>in this fight, he will speed up whatter for he

0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:28.400
<v Speaker 11>wants to do with Taiwan.

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is fascinating because we never hear about this in the

0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:35.439
<v Speaker 2>mainstream media. Diamond Los just speaking about there that there's

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 2>this factional power struggle that President she in China is

0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 2>dealing with. We're really out of time, But Bob, I

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:41.720
<v Speaker 2>just want.

0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 1>To ask you your opinion on that.

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:49.879
<v Speaker 2>Because former Chinese Premier Lee died some say killed on

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 2>the instruction of President She. How does this play into

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:57.600
<v Speaker 2>what Diamond's just been speaking about. We've got about thirty seconds.

0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:02.720
<v Speaker 12>It's an exascerbating factor. If there is a power struggle,

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 12>that issue will become a prominent issue in blaming hijin

0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:11.279
<v Speaker 12>pay for the chaos and the economic locations that are

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:16.839
<v Speaker 12>taking place in China. And the unexplained death of Premier

0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 12>League Ce Chiang is a very sore spot for a

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:23.400
<v Speaker 12>lot of Chinese. Very few people believe his death was

0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 12>as it was explained.

0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:28.600
<v Speaker 2>And some hold it against press absolutely and this might

0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:32.440
<v Speaker 2>be why there are enemies turning against him, the reason.

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:34.840
<v Speaker 12>Power struggles are endemic in that system and going all

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 12>the way back to the earliest days, and so there's

0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:40.839
<v Speaker 12>never a point in any of these regimes, even MAW

0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 12>where the power struggle element is absolutely absent.

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:49.520
<v Speaker 2>So it's gone on, absolutely fascinating, Bob and Diamond.

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Pleasure to have you here in Australia. Thank you so

0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:52.920
<v Speaker 1>much for those insights.

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 2>All right, still to come the la riots that have

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 2>turned the city into chaos and the public spat playing

0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:00.120
<v Speaker 2>out around the world.

0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Koshergata would join me.

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Next, Welcome back, and let's return to the chaos that's

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 2>broken out on the streets of Los Angeles. Two thousand

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:15.720
<v Speaker 2>writers have taken over a freeway and lit cars on fire,

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:19.719
<v Speaker 2>joining us now. Sky News contributed Koshergarta Kosher, I mean

0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:23.239
<v Speaker 2>this is mayhem. We've seen US officials come out and

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:27.040
<v Speaker 2>say that they've got nothing to apologize for. Ice is

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:31.440
<v Speaker 2>seemingly trying to keep order and doing what Trump pledged.

0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:36.719
<v Speaker 13>Yes, this certainly is mayhem. And you know it's all

0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 13>sparked because of what is ultimately are just such a

0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:43.360
<v Speaker 13>fundamental issue. It is the cornerstone of not only Trump's

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:46.760
<v Speaker 13>political rise, but the rise of the whole populist nationalist

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:49.800
<v Speaker 13>movement in America that's been brewing after years and years

0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:53.960
<v Speaker 13>decades of so much immigration, especially illegal immigration, and especially

0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:56.759
<v Speaker 13>under the Biden years. So in a way, while this

0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 13>is shocking that the footage that we're seeing, on some level,

0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 13>it's not surprising because if you wind up in the

0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:04.520
<v Speaker 13>situation where you have so many illegals that are entrenched

0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 13>into communities, the popular sentiment has absolutely moved in favor

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:10.759
<v Speaker 13>of doing something to get them out and to deport them.

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:12.759
<v Speaker 13>You are going to see some kind of unrest and

0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:16.320
<v Speaker 13>that's what we're seeing here, and unfortunately it's going to continue.

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 13>But Trump has deputized the National Guard. There are other

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:22.040
<v Speaker 13>controversial things coming out because of that. But I do

0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:24.239
<v Speaker 13>expect that hopefully we'll get into control when that extra

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 13>layer of law enforcement is brought into lam.

0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's hope.

0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:30.280
<v Speaker 2>So now I want to turn to this feud between

0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Trump and Alon Musk. I mean, this has been the

0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:36.399
<v Speaker 2>main thing everyone's been speaking about over the weekend. I mean,

0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the TESLA chief executive accused Trump of being in the

0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Epstein files, saying that this is the real reason they

0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 2>weren't made public.

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:48.400
<v Speaker 1>He since had to delete those posts.

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.960
<v Speaker 2>But it seems like the accusations out there now, Kosher,

0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:56.719
<v Speaker 2>is there any credibility to it.

0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.560
<v Speaker 13>It feels very very hard to believe. I don't think

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:03.399
<v Speaker 13>most people believe it, because if this were true, some

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:06.040
<v Speaker 13>Democrats somebody would have found it right now, you know,

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:09.399
<v Speaker 13>before must did. The only thing that he's intimating there

0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:13.320
<v Speaker 13>is somehow when the Doge geniuses were in the computer systems,

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:15.120
<v Speaker 13>did they find something deep in the bowels of the

0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:18.400
<v Speaker 13>government that nobody else found, not Biden, not Hillary Clinton.

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 13>They didn't need to have the Steel dossier, that infamous

0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:23.160
<v Speaker 13>document back in twenty sixteen. They could have just released

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 13>the Epstein files. So I think it's unlikely, and the

0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:28.520
<v Speaker 13>fact that he deleted it to me, suggests that maybe

0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:32.560
<v Speaker 13>there was some fear of legal action, because Trump's violently

0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:37.640
<v Speaker 13>quite litigious, and maybe that's what colored his retraction and deletion.

0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Just very quickly.

0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:42.799
<v Speaker 2>Speak Matut Greta trying to save the day in Gaza.

0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:43.560
<v Speaker 1>She thinks she's.

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Actually going to learn something watching from the video of

0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Hermas's atrocities.

0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:53.480
<v Speaker 13>I think if she wanted to learn things, she probably

0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:55.520
<v Speaker 13>would have done that a long time ago. I think

0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:58.840
<v Speaker 13>she's also somebody who's suffering from relevance deprivation syndrome, and

0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:00.799
<v Speaker 13>she's trying to insert herself. I finish she was the

0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 13>climate queen. She's trying to insert herself in whatever the

0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:06.359
<v Speaker 13>issues of the day are over here, and it's not

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:08.799
<v Speaker 13>going to age well. I don't think she's helping that

0:49:08.920 --> 0:49:10.799
<v Speaker 13>side of the argument or the cause at all. And

0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:14.359
<v Speaker 13>figures like her sale into territory that's been blockaded by

0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:14.760
<v Speaker 13>the idea.

0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, all right, Koshagata, really appreciate your time as always,

0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much, and we'll be back in a moment

0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:27.839
<v Speaker 2>after this quick break, right, and now the big show

0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:30.120
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow night. Make sure you tune in at eight o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all we've got time for now. He is Paul

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<v Speaker 2>Marie