1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gaddigal Land Always was, always 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: Hey checks, I'm sal and I'm out And this is 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: super bro Cheeks to show that shares life lessons and 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: tips to help make you rich in life. And oh 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: my god, we are so excited for today's episode because 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 2: we are joined by Lucy Blackistan, one of the brains 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: behind She You Should care About and the co author 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: of Make It Make Sense, She you Should Care About. 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 3: I'm sure you Cheeks are completely across it because we 11 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 3: talk about it pretty much every other episode. But debuted 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen and has now a massed over three 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 3: million followers. It's a media company that calls through the bullshit. 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: Welcome Lucy, thank you for having me. 15 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for fitting us into your busy, 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 4: busy schedule. No, this is my only thing today, so like, actually, 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 4: you're welcome. No, yea, I was first. 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 5: What's it like being better than everyone else? 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 4: Shut the fight up, I'm honestly. 20 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: Before we jump into the questions, we love to start 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 3: with a life lesson of the week. 22 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I got one. 23 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? 24 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 3: Would you like to kick us out? 25 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 4: Yes? I word it's fears of all my voice doesn't 26 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 4: usually sound like this. I'm but fucked because I've been 27 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 4: talking NonStop a week. But my life lesson of the 28 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 4: week is you cannot trust technology, but you can trust yourself. 29 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: Oh what happened? 30 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 4: Okay, two things happened. First of all, so I've been 31 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 4: at south By Southwest this week debuting kind of like 32 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 4: beta testing a live show that I really I'm gonna 33 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 4: manifest it. I really want to take to the Austin 34 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 4: that's south By Southwest, like the big south By Southwest. 35 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 4: Usually I say when I'm doing speaking events, I don't 36 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 4: want slides, I don't want technology. I want nothing behind me. 37 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 4: I want everyone focused on me, and I don't want 38 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 4: to be worried about anything except for me. I can 39 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 4: trust myself. I can't trust technology. The whole premise of 40 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 4: this live show was that I built a fake Instagram 41 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,639 Speaker 4: account to tell the story of shit you should care about. 42 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 4: So the one thing it relied on the one thing 43 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 4: that I asked so many times. I was like, we 44 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 4: need to be able to plug my phone in so 45 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 4: I can scroll through my phone and tell the story 46 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 4: as if I'm sitting here talking to you, like scrolling 47 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 4: through my phone and then we get there and I 48 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 4: plug my phone and it doesn't show up on screen, 49 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, my whole show an hour is based 50 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 4: on this. Thank God. A woman in Stem one of 51 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 4: the Tich girlies. Yeah, she got in there, she got 52 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 4: under the stage, she fiddled around with some things ten 53 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 4: minutes before the show went on. 54 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 5: She like I would have developed a crush on her. 55 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And in fact, like I'm like, how do 56 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 4: I send you flowers? Yes? 57 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, like eggs in the morning. 58 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. 59 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 4: But the next day so fun. I was moderating a 60 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 4: chat with Teddy Swims on like a Huger stage. Like 61 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 4: there was like three thousand people there. Yeah, it was huge, 62 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 4: and he's like I didn't realize the nicest motherfucker in 63 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 4: the world, but like he's so famous and I especially 64 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 4: in Australia and New Zealand and so so many people 65 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 4: showed up. And then at the end of the talk 66 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 4: they were like, there's an iPad and people will be 67 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 4: asking questions and you can go through and like peck 68 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 4: the questions. So I was checking the time, We're twenty 69 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 4: minutes left. I go on the iPad. It's not connected 70 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 4: to Wi Fi. So I'm on stage in front of 71 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 4: all these people. But I has had to be like, 72 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 4: hey and everyone, actually there's no Wi Fi on this iPad, 73 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 4: so could someone please sort this out for me. It 74 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 4: took about ten minutes for someone to come and like 75 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 4: drop a new iPad to me. I was sitting there 76 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 4: thinking do they hear me? Are they going to bring 77 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 4: me a new iPad in the meantime? Titty? And it 78 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: was actually his manager, Luke on stage two such legends, 79 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 4: like we were just having chats. They I think they 80 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 4: were like, she's handling this so fine, We're just going 81 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 4: to keep chatting. And it wouldn't have meted. No one 82 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 4: else noticed, it wouldn't have metted. But I got messages 83 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 4: afterwards being like, Lucy, you were amazing, because as soon 84 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 4: as there was no Wi Fi on that iPad, I 85 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 4: would have been and perts. Yeah, but I just had 86 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 4: already learned you cannot trust technology, You can only trust yourself. Yeah, 87 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 4: And honestly I already knew that, which is why I've 88 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 4: never done technology heavy stuff before, and I say I 89 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 4: won't do it again. 90 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is there's so many things that can go 91 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: wrong with it, and I think, exactly what you did, 92 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: you just have to then sit. 93 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 5: There and go, well, what's happening? 94 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think when you try to 95 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: recover and pretend it's not happening, that's yeah, you're like. 96 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 3: Why you lie, and that's human. 97 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 4: Well yeah, I don't think people want a like professional 98 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 4: on stage anymore. They want someone that's like, yeah, and 99 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 4: I tripped on the way up to my life show. 100 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 4: It's like I decided for some reason. Instead, it was 101 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 4: like steps up, they announced me. Why did I decide 102 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 4: to do a lunge up on the front of the stage. 103 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 4: I'm sure, And I didn't like four. I just did 104 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 4: a bit of a sile scuffle, but everyone saw it, 105 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 4: and I saw. I just sat down and I was like, 106 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 4: oh today, drain guys. I'm just a normal girl. Look 107 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 4: I just tripped on my way up and like, yeah, no. 108 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: I'm so people fall in love with you even more 109 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: before you begin, So take it away, trip. 110 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, okay, what's your life lessons? 111 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, my life lesson is something that I 112 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: saw on TikTok this week. I'll link the original post 113 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: in the show notes, but I thought it was kind 114 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 3: of relevant to today's episode. And this chick said, I 115 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 3: think growing up is just becoming who you were at 116 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 3: fifteen again, but loving her this time. 117 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 118 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, that is so beautiful, because I 119 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: think in our early twenties we try to like reject 120 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: so much of who we were as teenagers and put 121 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: it off as being cringe and really try and push 122 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 3: away all of those things that make us unique. And 123 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 3: even when you are a teenager, like you're just so 124 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: hard on yourself, and then when you look back when 125 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: you're in your late twenties or thirties, you're like, I 126 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 3: actually was really fucking cool, and person that I've become 127 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: now is someone that my fifteen year old self would love. 128 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: There's this tweet and it's like, age eight I've been 129 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: really into fantasy books, Lord of the Rings, dragons and 130 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: collecting little trinkets age eighteen. I can't remember the last 131 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: time I felt true happiness age twenty five, so I've been. 132 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 5: Really into fantasy books, Lord of the Rings, dragons, and. 133 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 4: Collecting little yees. 134 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 5: Literally were also knew what was. 135 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 3: Yeah? 136 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:26,119 Speaker 5: Okay. 137 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: My life lesson of the week, which I feel like 138 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: ties into all of our energy very well, is that 139 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: a new survey has found women who make time for 140 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: Girls Night every twenty two days are living their best life? 141 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And I even go to every twenty two 142 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 4: days every night. 143 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: I was, yeah, we're saying twenty two as a as 144 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: a max specific number two. 145 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: I'm like, how does that line up with our cycles? 146 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: Is there something in there? 147 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 4: It's like a mag It's actually so true. 148 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah so. 149 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: Author Danielle Bayard Jackson puts it best. Research suggests that 150 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: women have higher expectations of support and intimacy in their 151 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: close relationships and men. Do Women integrate our friends into 152 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: our lives as deeply as siblings, whereas men can treat 153 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: friends like cousins. 154 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 5: I don't think it's like a comparison, but I just 155 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 5: love it. 156 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: So sending to your girls. Women need girls night at 157 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: least every twenty two days. 158 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll get in the cowl every twenty two days. 159 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 160 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 3: I feel like, for. 161 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 4: Like London, girlies works so hard sometimes to get everywhere, 162 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 4: and when you start having kids and things, twenty two 163 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 4: days seems doable. 164 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 165 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 4: Yeah for me, I still live with seven people. I'm like, 166 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 4: I want to wake up in the morning and I 167 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 4: want to see my girls. Yeah, I'm like, so seven people, girl, 168 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 4: I know. One of them is my brother, amazing, like 169 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 4: a bunch of my best friends from high school. It's 170 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 4: so cute. 171 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 5: That sounds so fun. It's giving like new girl friends. 172 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 4: Yea, honestly, people like and like, surely she owns a 173 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 4: house and she does that, she does us. I'm girl, 174 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 4: I still have. I still get told off not doing 175 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 4: the dishes. But I feel like it's because I grew 176 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 4: up really quick and like started being like a girl 177 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 4: boss like business yeah blah blah blah, not like a 178 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 4: like wearing a pencil skirt and kettils and shit. But 179 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 4: just like instead of being young, I started running this business, 180 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 4: which I loved, still love. And then I like set 181 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 4: the business up and realized I can actually do that 182 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 4: and still be like a normal young person. 183 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: Like. 184 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 4: So then I moved back in with my riends and 185 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 4: it's been the best thing. You were so I really 186 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 4: enjoy that. 187 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: I love the rewind of being like, yeah, am I 188 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: taking life so serious? 189 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 4: Well, it's like what you just said. We hosted a 190 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 4: house party the other weekend and there was it was 191 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 4: nineties themes amazing, and everyone walked into my room or 192 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 4: like this looks like my childhood bedroom and I was like, yeah, 193 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 4: because like, finally I have no one telling me what 194 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 4: to do with like my income. 195 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 3: I've got big girl money, money, kill money. 196 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,239 Speaker 5: This question is one of our favorites. 197 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: In a teen Vogue interview, you said, I feel very 198 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: fucking passionately about the Internet. 199 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 5: I love the Internet. 200 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, with so much discourse on the Internet, I ask 201 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: this in the. 202 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 5: Most respectful and genuine way. 203 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: How because I love the Internet, but she can be 204 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: a cruel mystery. 205 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, how do you stay in love with the Internet. 206 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 4: I think I've built it in a way that I 207 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 4: love it. Like I didn't show my face online for 208 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 4: the first like five or six years of running shit 209 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 4: you should care about, so I got to grow up 210 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 4: in private like twenty twenty. If I had shown my 211 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 4: face in twenty twenty when shit you should care about 212 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 4: was popping off and everyone was hating on us, but 213 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 4: everyone was hating on everyone, hateful time. Yeah, And like 214 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 4: also when I was younger and coming to terms with 215 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 4: like how I look and like having a look at 216 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 4: my face online every day and my body and what 217 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 4: I'm wearying like that would have fucked me up, right, 218 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 4: But instead when me and Rubes and Lott who are 219 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 4: my best friends who started chit you should care about 220 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 4: with me? They are now doing other jobs, still my 221 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 4: best friends. It was just like this became very clear 222 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 4: that it was like my baby. We decided like do 223 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 4: we know who runs the BBC? No? Do we know 224 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 4: what they look like? 225 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: No? 226 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 4: Do we care? No? So we were like, cool, let's 227 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: never show ourselves. 228 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: I love that. 229 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just think because I did that while 230 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 4: my brain was still forming, there's just no winning, Like 231 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 4: there's no fucking winning. And so I think even though 232 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 4: I didn't do it for that reason, I did it 233 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 4: because it was like we're talking about the news, Who 234 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 4: fucking cares what T shirt I'm wearing? 235 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 236 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 4: Trying. 237 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: I feel as well, like even if you did put 238 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: yourself out there, the focus wouldn't have been on the news. Yeah, 239 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: I know it would. It would be like much more 240 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: critique just for being talking about and. 241 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 4: Who's this random key we trying to like chime in 242 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 4: on global events? Why do you even kre? Why don't 243 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 4: you focus on your own country? We got enough of 244 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 4: that anyway. But it was like even bitter that I 245 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 4: felt safe doing it because no one knew who I was. 246 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean gossip girl for smart kind. 247 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 4: Of people could find me out, but it was quite 248 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 4: a nice They just didn't care. They only cared about 249 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 4: the news, and I loved that. And then I also 250 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 4: love the Internet because so many people just they have 251 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 4: to just go online and doom scroll and then they 252 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 4: feel really helpless. But it's like, if I'm going online 253 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 4: and scrolling, I can do something about it. I never 254 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 4: have to feel helpless because I'm like, oh my god, 255 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 4: let me teach people about that, let me show you that. 256 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 4: Let me like go write a newsletter explaining this. And 257 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 4: so I just think I've set it up in a 258 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 4: way where like my job is a fucking privilege because 259 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 4: I don't get depressed by the news because I can 260 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 4: do something. I always say, like my job is to 261 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 4: give people the news without giving them the blues. So 262 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm going to show you this. But if 263 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 4: we're all depressed about it, like no change is ever 264 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 4: gonna happen. So let's put some Mary Styles. Let's put 265 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 4: some like formula one. It's like, be actual humans. 266 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 5: I don't know, I just ows met Harry Styles. 267 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: No, yeah, direction, I'll show you the pick later. 268 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 4: I'm like, I hate you now. 269 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 5: Now you have one a competition. 270 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: No, how old were you? 271 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 4: I was twenty one, it was four, Okay, that's still 272 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 4: a good age, like they could have fallen in line 273 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 4: age and because everyone else was like thirteen and we 274 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 4: were all the same age, and they blocked yeah, oh yeah, 275 00:11:59,320 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 4: so I. 276 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 5: Was giving the look. 277 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, we're on if you want to be 278 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: no security, Yeah cheap, And. 279 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 5: Harry is giving her a kiss on the cheek. 280 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 4: That's like I used to make like thenipulations of him kissing. 281 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 3: One of the best moments of my life. We do 282 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 3: love you and the content that you make because of 283 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 3: the way that you do present it, and we do 284 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: love like the trojan horse of the Harry Styles and 285 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 3: that you also still cover like seemingly frivolous culture moments, 286 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: which is so funny because it's guaranteed that every single 287 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 3: time you post something about Harry Styles, you'll get a 288 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: comment saying this isn't she you care about? 289 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 290 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,599 Speaker 4: Em so funny because I'm just like, hey, do you 291 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 4: think that was original? Do you think I haven't heard 292 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 4: that for the past like. 293 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: Eight years exactly, Like at least come up with something unique. 294 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: But what would you say to those people? And people 295 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 3: especially who think that female fandoms are frivolous and silly. 296 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 4: From the original TI I said to Rbian Loving, like 297 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 4: we should start you care about and it should be 298 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 4: a mixed bag. It's never changed because I'm like, if 299 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 4: you want just hard news, there are a bazillion places 300 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 4: you can go and get that. Like, I'm not making 301 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 4: you be here, my darling. You don't have to be here. 302 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 4: You can go to BBC if you want news. That's 303 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 4: also a little bit funny, and it's like, although there's 304 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 4: gonna be like hot guys popping up and hot women 305 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 4: popping up, like you can be here. It's safe, it's 306 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 4: for you. And then also just like we are humans 307 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 4: and I don't know about you guys, but it's like 308 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 4: I'm not just interested in only one thing ever, It's 309 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 4: like I'm interested in so many different things. It's like 310 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 4: very human to have so many different interests. So our 311 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 4: like pay rag content or whatever should feel like very 312 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 4: human because it's like we're not just constantly talking about 313 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 4: like this awful shit happening in the world all the time. 314 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, this awful shit happening, but there's also 315 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 4: good stuff happening and it's also like this is going 316 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 4: to give your brain a break, because again, if we're 317 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 4: all just depressed all the time, change can't happen. 318 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 5: I think that's what really draws people too. 319 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: Shit you should care about is it does feel like 320 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: a human is. 321 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 4: Not a corporation. 322 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: It feels like a friend that's helping you like navigate 323 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: and being like this is happening. 324 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 5: Also, this is happening. 325 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 4: Because it's just me that does like it should feel 326 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 4: like a friend because it's genuinely me just being like 327 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 4: this is really fucked up. Guys, Like I'm not like 328 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 4: framing stuff. I'm not like trying to persuade people like 329 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 4: or I'll. 330 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: Be like what do I think of a mind of 331 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: a media corporation being like. 332 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 4: Yes, and like this is the spin and this is 333 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 4: the angle. 334 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 5: What's their angle? 335 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, the angle is that's fuck Like we all know that. 336 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 4: And also if you don't believe that's fucked you should 337 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 4: just unfollow, Like I don't care. Instagram doesn't pay me anything, 338 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 4: like I I don't even love being on Instagram, like 339 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 4: the newsletters where I love being So I'm like, if 340 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 4: you don't want to follow you, yeah. 341 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: You have free will. 342 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 5: We're not the police. It's our favorite new quote. Yeah, 343 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 5: whenever you know, we we post something and someone's like, 344 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 5: but I don't like it, I'm not your tops. 345 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're good like it. 346 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 4: And it's also just like not everything on the internet 347 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 4: is for. 348 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 5: You, And it's like what to make? 349 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: Is spaghetti? 350 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 5: Bollinating for under ten dollars? Goes, but I don't like pasta? 351 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 5: How do we make it? Without it? 352 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 4: The algorithms because they're so tailored to us now our 353 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 4: brains have gone everything I see needs to be for me. 354 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 4: It's called the water about me effect. And then as 355 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 4: soon as as soon as you see immediately and it's 356 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 4: because I use that. 357 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 5: All what about the effect? 358 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 4: Because it's like, we see something and if it's not 359 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 4: about us. We've been so trained to think that everything 360 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 4: we see is meant to be for us that we're like, hmmm, 361 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 4: what about me? And all of this it's like, it's 362 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:03,359 Speaker 4: not bad. 363 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 5: It's not about you. 364 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: And I also think maybe taking yourself out of that 365 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: will potentially make news a little bit and the internet 366 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: a little bit less overwhelming as well. How do you 367 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: personally avoid compassion fatigue when you care so much about 368 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: everything that you end up caring about nothing. 369 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 4: Okay, I think it takes a very certain person to 370 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 4: be able to do this job, because I get this 371 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 4: question a lot. It's actually the same reason that like 372 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 4: maybe I would be a good therapist. It like doesn't 373 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 4: come home with me and keep me up at night. 374 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 4: And I think that's because I feel like I'm doing 375 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 4: something about it, Like I do. Feel like people that 376 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 4: get compassion fatigue are like people that are consuming, consuming, consuming, 377 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 4: and then just feel so powerless. But I just am 378 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 4: like I'm a really big like believe it and like 379 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 4: do what you can with what you have, yeah, and 380 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 4: like that should always make you feel like you're doing enough, 381 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 4: like donate what you can. But if you don't have 382 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 4: enough to donate, share this, and if you don't enough 383 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 4: to share that, like I don't know, just go and 384 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 4: research it. I just think, Yeah, I never find that 385 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 4: I have compassion fatigue because I have room to do 386 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 4: the job. And I'm like, yeah, but when I've been 387 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 4: through like harder times in my life where i haven't 388 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 4: been like medicated properly for mental health stuff, then I 389 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 4: get fatigued because I'm not ready to take on anything else. 390 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,479 Speaker 4: Now I'm like exhorted it. I'm like, I can do 391 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 4: this job. This job is made for me. 392 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: What are some easy and affordable ways that people can 393 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: feel like they're doing something if they have compassion fatigue 394 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: from the news cycle or the internet. 395 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 4: Oh okay, this is kind of a hard one. But 396 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 4: it's like being brave enough to like talk to your 397 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 4: racist uncle at like dinner, at the dinner table like that. 398 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 4: That's kind of a brave one. But I do think 399 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 4: sometimes it feels good to just like if you have 400 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 4: nowhere else to let it out, and there's someone that's 401 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 4: been really racist. Sometimes there's no gitting through to them, 402 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 4: but if you can just like gently prove your point, 403 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 4: it like costs nothing. But sometimes that's texting on the emotion. 404 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: I like that you even said before even just researching it, Yeah, 405 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: we live so then the new story is a headline. Yeah, 406 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: so like even just researching it further, looking into petitions, 407 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. 408 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 4: And like I just don't think anyone should feel bad 409 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 4: for their way of caring, do you know what I mean. 410 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 4: It's like the world is hard on everyone, and as 411 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 4: I keep saying, just nohere, no one gets anywhere. If 412 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 4: like we're making ourselves broke or we're making ourselves depressed. 413 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, even following like Instagram accounts that will keep 414 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: you more informedouts still doing something and talking to your 415 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 3: friends about it. 416 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 4: I write a sub stack and you can pay to 417 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 4: receive it, but it's also free because I don't want 418 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 4: young people to be left out of the news because 419 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 4: I can't afford. It's like against what I do. But 420 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 4: I always say, like liking and searing and all that 421 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 4: is a way of caring, because then you're meaning that 422 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 4: I can keep doing my job because more people will 423 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 4: see the stuff. 424 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 5: And yeah, you know this. 425 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 4: Was Princess No Princess of New Zealand. No, no, no, no. 426 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 3: Honestly, I also wanted to talk about your book quickly 427 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 3: because in the final chapter, which I love, which is 428 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: let Me Live, Let Me Live, Yeah, you're open by 429 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 3: discussing how to create a life that actually makes you 430 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: want to put your phone down? So what do you 431 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: prioritize in your life that makes you want to log 432 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 3: off and put your phone down? 433 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 4: Well, as we discussed earlier, I lived with seven people. 434 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 4: It's really easy for me to not be on my phone. 435 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 4: I live in like Wellington and New Zealand, it's like 436 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 4: a really small city. It almost doesn't feel like a 437 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 4: city because I'm not a city girl. I'm right by 438 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 4: the ocean. I have an e bike, and I'm just 439 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 4: obsessed with Like when you're on a bike, you literally 440 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 4: cannot be doing anything else. If I'm on the bike, 441 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 4: I'm not thinking about the world. I love with so 442 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 4: many people that if I want a distraction from my 443 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 4: and I always have it. I love reading, and I 444 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 4: just like, weirdly, I'm just not that addicted to my phone. 445 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 5: That's crazy. 446 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 4: Why not, because like you were so on top of it. 447 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 4: I know, I even find it crazy. And people always 448 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 4: ask this, and it's like I love TikTok so much. 449 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 4: I love like getting it at my bed at night. 450 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 4: I'm scrolling on TikTok, but I'm like, I don't get 451 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 4: into like spiral, like you don't scroll. But I think 452 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 4: it's because I may have fatigued myself of that. From 453 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 4: twenty twenty to twenty twenty two, I was so like 454 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 4: obsessed with the job and building it into a business. 455 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 4: I actually saw the worst parts of the Internet in 456 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 4: twenty twenty. I recon because that was fucked, Like everything 457 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 4: was crazy. 458 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you gotta go through it. 459 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I have it. 460 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 5: Yeah. 461 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 4: And then I think because I wrote a book, it 462 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 4: was really like, let me remove myself from it, and 463 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 4: now I write the newsletter, which is my I feel 464 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 4: like I've moved more into like a writer than a 465 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 4: like content creator. 466 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: Which a friend who is going through that at the moment, 467 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: she's like, you know what, like short form just doesn't 468 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: feel my passion, Like I'm just not meant to make it, 469 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: and I feel like it's going against like my inner soul. 470 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 5: And this week she launched like a substack and I 471 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 5: was like, I. 472 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 4: Yew, Whereas I'm still like writing a book fucking killed 473 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 4: me because long form a long project and long form 474 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 4: content that is not my soul. Yeah, but even the 475 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 4: news that it's still like short form. But it's like 476 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 4: I'm actually getting to write. I'm not meant to be 477 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 4: making in for graphics. I'm meant to be like writing 478 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 4: about the news. 479 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: Okay, so you've created an empire helping people identify shit 480 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: they should care about. But we're curious, what's something that 481 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: you used to care about but have since realized you 482 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: don't really give a shit about it that much anymore. 483 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 4: This might be controversial actually being like so pc online 484 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 4: that you're having to cave at everything you say. I 485 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 4: don't give a shit about that anymore, because I really 486 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 4: do think like having to caveat your self being like, hey, 487 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 4: I'm about to say this, but you know my values 488 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 4: are you know I'm a good person and you know 489 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 4: I'm intending as well. That ruins writing, like having to 490 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 4: constantly be like. 491 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 5: I don't mean it that way. 492 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't mean it. Yeah, Because the Internet is 493 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 4: built basically it incentivizes people to take everything you say 494 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 4: in the worst way possible because it's built on engagement, right. 495 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 4: If you have to caveat everything you say, it really 496 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 4: does take away from a lot of the messages, especially 497 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 4: when the people you're writing to know your intentions. 498 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 499 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 4: I actually felt that when I was writing the book, 500 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 4: because I was like, I want to be fucking honest 501 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 4: in this book. 502 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: And you can't edit the book. No, it's not like 503 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 3: a post. You can't take it down, you can't edit it, 504 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 3: you can't revise it. Yeah, you can't update the caption. 505 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 4: Yeah. And I was like, but I want this to 506 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 4: be honest. I want it to be good reading, and 507 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 4: I want to talk about the realities of living online 508 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 4: and things like that, and I don't want to have 509 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 4: to put a caveat at the top being like, by 510 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 4: the way, I love my job. It's a privilege to 511 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 4: be online. I know that, Like I'm living so many 512 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 4: people's dreams. I want to just be like, I worked hard. 513 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 4: It was really hard. I still love it. But you 514 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 4: know so, I think I don't give a shit about 515 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 4: being so like scared to say stuff now. 516 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 5: I love that. 517 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: The reason I was just talking on my phone was 518 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: because I wanted to find this quote from. 519 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 5: Dolly Oldson's book. 520 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing, and I feel like it really encompasses 521 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: as well what you were saying, and it's it is 522 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: futile and knackering to try and make all your tiny 523 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: choices representative of your moral compass. Then beat yourself up 524 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: when this plan inevitably fails. Yes, feminists can get wax, 525 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: priests can swear, vegetarians can wear leather shoes. Do as 526 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: much good as you can. The weighty representation of the 527 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: world cannot rest on every decision you make. 528 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously dollars, but it is it's just when 529 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 4: people know that they know where your values lie, Like 530 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 4: you can see where my values, like, like eight years 531 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 4: of content can show you that. So you pecking apart 532 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 4: one thing I've seen just to feel some power in 533 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 4: a world, Like it's very hard for individuals to feel power. 534 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 4: I understand it. 535 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,239 Speaker 1: But someone called my work chat GPT because I got 536 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: a date wrong for the bridgeton. 537 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 5: They were said twenty ninth of February, which is really 538 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 5: funny because it doesn't exist. 539 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, loll cht GPT at work and I was like, actually, 540 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: that's the most human fucking era I've ever seen about life, 541 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: because I'm an idiot who doesn't proofread. 542 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 4: They were Yeah, and also we love a low stakes 543 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 4: era because it reminds people that were human. Yeah. I 544 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 4: love making typos because I'm like you guys can see, 545 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 4: I write a newsletter every day and I've never had 546 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 4: an editor, and I've. 547 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: Got them this far. 548 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 5: My editor is sound. 549 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a game we really want to play 550 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: with you, so sour kick us off. 551 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 3: Yes, So we absolutely love your mundane polls. Oh okay, 552 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 3: it is one of our absolute favorite pieces of content. 553 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 3: So we wanted to run through some of our favorite 554 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 3: mundane polls that you've done. But we never get to 555 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: hear your perspective. 556 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 4: So can I just tell you something about the mundaye 557 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 4: poles becau to what we were just talking about, how 558 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 4: people love to be angry in the comments sections. I 559 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 4: made the mundane polls to give people somewhere to argue 560 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 4: that like wasn't going to hurt anyone's feelings. It's so 561 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 4: funny because it's like, if you want to be angry online, 562 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 4: let's do it in a wait that's not going to 563 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 4: hurt people's feelings. 564 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 3: Literally like wrap them in cot more and you guys 565 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 3: play over here. But that's smart. We're going to run 566 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: through some of our favorite mundane poles and now we're 567 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: going to get your hot takes. Okay, quit fire. So 568 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 3: first one, is it for fuck sake, for fuck's sake, 569 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 3: for fuck's sake with an apostrophe in between the K 570 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 3: and the s, or for fuck sakes? 571 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 4: The third one and my humble opinion for fuck's sake 572 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 4: with the apostrophe like when I say it's like for 573 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 4: fuck's sake. 574 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 5: Because it fuck owns it? 575 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm doing number three. I think I think 576 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 3: I agree with that. Yeah, I think I'd be a 577 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 3: number two girls. Okay, next one, how do you pronounce 578 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: tuna tuna? Or when I was little, it was tuna 579 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 3: because that's what my parents said. But then as I 580 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: went to high school, I think I got social licenses 581 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 3: saying tuna. 582 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 4: Nona girl. 583 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 3: Did you go on an American high school? 584 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: No? 585 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 4: I just think like tuna. I think maybe one person 586 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 4: once would have made fun of me for saying tuna, and. 587 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 5: Then that'll stick with you. 588 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 3: That'll happen. What do you use o tuna? 589 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 5: Tuna? 590 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? 591 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 5: Okay? 592 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: Do you face the shower or have your back to 593 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: the shower? 594 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 4: I face the shower, and I have a theory. It's 595 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 4: like if you're a productive shower, like, I'm not in 596 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 4: there to relax. I'm in there because I need to 597 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 4: get in, get it done, get it out. I got 598 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 4: shit to do. 599 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, I'm a face of shower. What do 600 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 5: you I feel like? 601 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 3: I spin around? 602 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 4: I feel like, yeah, if you're washing your hair out, 603 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 4: obviously you spin around wash it out. But mostly I'm 604 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 4: just facing that shower. 605 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 5: Agree, come on washing my back. 606 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 3: When I'm there, I'm running out change. 607 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: I can handle a hotter temperature when i'm facing it 608 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: versus on the I turn around, I'm like, oh, that's 609 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: too interesting. 610 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's the spinal called the nerves. Okay, and finally, 611 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 3: what came first, the chicken or the egg? 612 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 4: It's a fox question. 613 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 3: Say you asked it? 614 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 4: It's so funny, no wonder those are the most famous 615 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 4: question in the world. What are you guys? 616 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 5: Like? 617 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 4: It might be the egg? 618 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 5: I think it's it's the egg for sure. 619 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: And the results of your pole were almost fifty fifty split. 620 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 3: Like it was so even I couldn't believe it because crazy. 621 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 4: It's the egg. 622 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: Well, if we want to be annoying and break it 623 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: down by thoughts, then it would be from evolution. Then 624 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: it would always have come from an egg slowly over time. 625 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's this thing that chickens are closely related. 626 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: To crocodiles and dinosaurs. Some Tyrannosaurus rex that broke it down. Ye, 627 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: chicken came from that egg? 628 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay, cool, we're all in a grants. 629 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing you've ever learned from your Mondane poles? 630 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 4: Okay, it's not actually the answer of a mondaye pole. 631 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 4: It's that it is like funny, and I love everyone 632 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 4: that's deemed me, but it is that everyone thinks are 633 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 4: the only person that dms us DMS me like secret 634 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 4: third option this, or you need to add a third 635 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 4: option this, and it's like, yes, a thousand other people 636 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 4: have said that, but it's not a good poll if 637 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 4: you're putting so many options that everyone can just press 638 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 4: other like, yeah, I want you to make a decision. 639 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 4: It's so funny me and my beast. For an Abby 640 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 4: who does all the designs, she will be like, Lucy, 641 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 4: you have no idea. How many people think are the 642 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 4: only ones that said third option this. Someone will have 643 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 4: responded to a mundane part saying something like third option 644 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 4: this or I would say this, and then later down 645 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 4: the track they've replied to like five of them, and 646 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 4: then down the track they're like, I can't fucking believe 647 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 4: you're posting about this new story. You are such a 648 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 4: life blah blah blah bah blah. And it's like you 649 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 4: love and they're like, yeah, it's so funny. And then 650 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 4: if you reply I don't know if you guys find 651 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 4: this too. If you reply being like, oh my god, 652 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 4: my darling, you do not have to be here, they'll 653 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 4: switch up and they'll be like, no, I love you 654 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 4: so much, like I'm sorry, like and I'm like, you 655 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 4: forget there's a human actually on the other side of this. 656 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 4: That's why I like sometimes commenting back to haters, because 657 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 4: then they will switch it up and they will be like, no, 658 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I actually love you. It was just this 659 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 4: one thing. 660 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 661 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 5: My favorite replies what an odd thing to say? 662 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 4: Yes? Or if someone makes it, makes it like misogynistic joking, 663 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 4: get it? Can you explain that to me? And then 664 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 4: when they have to explain it, they're. 665 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: Like, oh, like I'm an awful person. Yeah, I'm here, 666 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 3: I've got a mirror going yeah. 667 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's literally don't understand. Can you please explain that one? 668 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 2: All right? 669 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: So I do have two more final questions for you 670 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: about another one Ceely Gillipop, and then the final one 671 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: cool in our Feels. What is your favorite internet pop 672 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: culture moment? You can only pick one, but you are 673 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: allowed to have a close runner up. 674 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 4: I've got two that immediately come to my head. When 675 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 4: everyone thought Harry Styles spat on Chris Pine, like the 676 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 4: amount of like New Zealand news outlets that wanted my 677 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 4: take on there, I was like, no, guys, I'm not 678 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 4: wasting my This bigg of thing's happening, but that's funny. 679 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 4: The sickert one is have you have you guys ever 680 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 4: seen the meme of the gay little Monkey at the 681 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,239 Speaker 4: Apple Store? Okay, just look it up everyone listening. Just 682 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 4: it's just it's not even a pop pop track moment, 683 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 4: and people dress up as it for Halloween, like I 684 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 4: think a lot of the queer community and the stage 685 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 4: with the bag on its shoulder. I need you to say, 686 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 4: it's just an image. It's just there. It's just a 687 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 4: gay little monkey. It's just a kid that's being like 688 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 4: real love that I don't know why, and people dresses 689 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 4: it for Halloween. That's I tried to include that. The 690 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 4: Guardian once got me to do like a round up 691 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 4: of my favorite memes and I did tin and that 692 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 4: was the only one that they were like, we cannot be. 693 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 694 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 4: I was like, well, luckily I have my own media platform. 695 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 5: One today immediately, what's yours? 696 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 3: The first thing that popped into my head was when 697 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 3: Harry Styles was at the gym and accidentally posted a 698 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 3: selfie of him wearing a one Direction T shirt and 699 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 3: he met it for his Close Friends story. 700 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that actually spurred me to start a should 701 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 4: care about close friends story that pays newsletter subscribers get 702 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 4: excess too, And I use that as like the if 703 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 4: Harry Styles can do it, so can we. Like so 704 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 4: he does actually teaching me summer. Yeah, that's such a 705 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 4: great one. 706 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved that moment. 707 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, my favorite to this day will be and forever 708 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: always Tom Holland's Umbrella Lips. 709 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 4: Oh, yes, that is. 710 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: Do you know what whenever I'm sad, Tom Holland's Umbrella Lipsinc. 711 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: Whenever I'm happy, Tom Holland's Umbrella lip Sinc. Whenever I 712 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: just need a good vibe. Tom Holland's Umbrella Lipsinc. That is, 713 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: without doubt. When the rain comes down, He's like, let 714 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: the rain, but and then the sparks come, no splashing. 715 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: I've never been so attracted. Yeah, dressed as Rhianna in 716 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: my entire life. Like that is hands down my favorite 717 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: Internet moment. 718 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going home to watch that right now because 719 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 4: I am addicted to that as well. 720 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 5: It's so it. 721 00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 3: Never gets old. 722 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 4: It's amazing. 723 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good one. I love that. Okay, well 724 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 3: I almost feel like, how can we top that? But 725 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 3: we have to wrap up with a very important question, 726 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 3: and what is your biggest life lesson on your journey 727 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 3: so far. 728 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 4: This is so easy. Don't kill the part of you 729 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 4: that's cringe, killed the part that cringes. I didn't make 730 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 4: it oump. 731 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 5: I literally just got goosebump. 732 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, but don't you think it's like because so many 733 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 4: people want to know like the recipe to going viral 734 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 4: or like like how to get famous or whatever, and 735 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 4: I'm like, the first thing is that, like, you cannot 736 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 4: be afraid to be seen, and even if that's because 737 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 4: I wasn't like seen, but it's your writing and things 738 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 4: like that. Do not be afraid to just put yourself 739 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 4: out there. Who gives a fuck if you really want this, 740 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 4: to keep your cringe up and put the part of 741 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 4: you that cringes down, because it's just like, people love 742 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 4: a weird girl. It's the right. I love a weird girl, 743 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 4: and I just think, like, yeah, kill the part of 744 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 4: you that cringes. 745 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 3: That is amazing and what an incredible place to leave 746 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 3: us on the episode. Thank you so much, Lucy for 747 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 3: coming on the show. 748 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 4: You honestly, you can't even see. It's just a shame. 749 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 4: I've been kicking my feet this whole time. 750 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 3: I just adore, I love you and I love you 751 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 3: get married and has best time. 752 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you so much for joining us. 753 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: Best and obviously, chicks get around cheps you care about. 754 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 5: If you are not already, I'm sure you are subscribe 755 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 5: to her stopstad. 756 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't worry about following me on Instagram. Just come 757 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 4: to the substack. 758 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 3: Okay. We'll put links to everything, including your book in 759 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 3: the show notes. The chicks know exactly where to go. 760 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 3: But thank you so much again, and thanks to you 761 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 3: chicks for having us in your holes. We love to 762 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 3: be here.