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Speaker 1: Moto GP is back in Europe and the Spanish Grand

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Speaker 1: Prix was full of surprises. Now I know I say

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Speaker 1: that every episode, guys, but the Spanish Grand Prix had everything.

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Speaker 1: Marquees was a name in the headlines. Not for the

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Speaker 1: reason you may think though, and I cannot believe I'm

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Speaker 1: saying this, but a Yamaha was on pole and on

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Speaker 1: the podium, and we had two Aussies also in on

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Speaker 1: the podium this weekend. We have got so much to

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Speaker 1: catch up in this episode, and as always, this episode

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Speaker 1: of Pittalk is brought to you by Shannons. I am

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Speaker 1: your host, Rinita Vmulan, and joining me is the man

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Speaker 1: who's got more hot takes than a Moto GP tire

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Speaker 1: on a Spanish summer afternoon, Mister Matt Clayton. Matt, I

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Speaker 1: am starting this podcast off with probably my favorite topic,

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Speaker 1: Fabio Colorado on the Monster Energy Yamaha took Pole after

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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty four days, led in both the

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Speaker 1: Sprint and the rom Prix, and finished on the podium

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Speaker 1: after five hundred and sixty days. Tell me was that

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Speaker 1: on your Bingo card for twenty twenty five, No.

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Speaker 2: Aita, It certainly wasn't It's funny as you were reading

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Speaker 2: all of those numbers there. This is like terrible audio

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Speaker 2: content for a podcast, but I'm just grinning because I

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Speaker 2: always think Motor GP's in a better place when someone

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Speaker 2: like Fabio is up the front competing for something meaningful.

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Speaker 2: What was super interesting to me is that that's been

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Speaker 2: something that Mark Marquees was keen to bring up after

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Speaker 2: sprint race on Saturday, where Fabio crashed early on in

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Speaker 2: that race, and Mark basically said, we need someone with

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Speaker 2: Fabio's talent and the charisma to be up the front

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Speaker 2: end Motor GP again. And also just to see Yamahar

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Speaker 2: up there and look, Harath has been a huge circuit

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Speaker 2: for him in the past, first pole in the World Championship,

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Speaker 2: first pole in Motor GP, first time he led a

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Speaker 2: race there in twenty twenty. But to see what he

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Speaker 2: did on that qualifying lap on Saturday. When you get

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Speaker 2: as old and cynical as I am, Anita, and you'll

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Speaker 2: much that really gets you out of your seat when

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Speaker 2: you're watching stuff like this. You watch things in the moment,

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Speaker 2: and as Kuaatero was going red sector red sector on

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Speaker 2: that qualifying lap, I actually started laughing because it was

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Speaker 2: so preposterous what he was doing on that bike and

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Speaker 2: that pole position lap was to my mind, the moment

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Speaker 2: of the year. It was unbelievable and you can only

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Speaker 2: see the reaction of his team. They were all looking

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Speaker 2: at each other saying, can you believe what this guy

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, we can believe it because this guy

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Speaker 2: is so so talented. We've probably forgotten a bit about

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Speaker 2: it because it has been so long because Yamaha's dropped

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Speaker 2: so far behind the ball. But for one weekend at least,

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Speaker 2: it was super nice to see someone with that much

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Speaker 1: No, honestly, for me the same thing. I was sitting

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Speaker 1: believe that Fabio is doing this, because it's like it's

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a circuit that traditionally has suited the

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Speaker 1: Yamahas and he has had great success here. I just

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Speaker 1: want to say, guys, I don't know if you can

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Speaker 1: doing some work near me right now, so I'm going

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Speaker 1: to try and talk over this.

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Speaker 2: I thought there was about of three race going on

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Speaker 2: in your back yard. That's what it sounds like.

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Speaker 1: To me from my end. But carry on perfect. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I am at the track, but no like for Fabio,

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Speaker 1: seeing him on the qualifying see him leading the sprint

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Speaker 1: the Grand Prix for me, Matt, there was a hot

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Speaker 1: minute there where I was going, can Fabio win this race?

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Speaker 1: Can Fabio take the win here in HaRav Is this okay?

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Speaker 1: I always tend to ask you these questions. Is this

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Speaker 1: because it's a Yamahau suit of track that we saw

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Speaker 2: Bit of column a bit of columb and I'll introduce

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Speaker 2: But yeah, look a fantastic track for Quashurraro. We know

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Speaker 2: historically he's really really good here her Wreath is funny

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Speaker 2: But I was reading something on the weekend. I can't

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Speaker 2: One's Monaco for Murdo GP in that it's so narrow

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Speaker 2: thing we know about Fabia, he doesn't make mistakes, so

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Speaker 2: to have to beat him. Yes, he threw it down

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Speaker 2: But staying on the Quaaterero theme, I think, to my mind,

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Speaker 1: I just want to touch back on what you said

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Speaker 2: There's some of these tracks that the bikes have gotten

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Speaker 2: World championship. That's the story. After five rounds. It's pretty

432
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Speaker 2: crazy to think that a guy who's won eight out

433
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Speaker 2: of the ten starts this year is not leading the

434
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Speaker 2: World Championship. But this is how it's going to be

435
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Speaker 2: for Mark this year. This won't be the last time

436
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Speaker 2: that he throws it down the road in a race

437
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,040
Speaker 2: or does something silly, but he's so fast when he's

438
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Speaker 2: actually upright on the bike, and particularly qualifying that. Getting

439
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,320
Speaker 2: back to the earlier point, who can beat him for

440
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Speaker 2: the World Championship, I think only he came because none

441
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,720
Speaker 2: of these other guys either have the machinery or the

442
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Speaker 2: pace or both to be able to be on terms

443
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Speaker 2: with him.

444
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Speaker 1: So, as you said, the Mark is no longer leading

445
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Speaker 1: the points tally in the championship fight. And I mentioned

446
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Speaker 1: in the preview that it was another Marquez in the headlines,

447
00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 1: and that's because Alex Marquez has finally won a Grand

448
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Speaker 1: Prix race. History was made with the Marquez brothers being

449
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Speaker 1: the first brothers to have won a Grand Prix, which

450
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Speaker 1: I think is pretty cool for MotoGP. And like I said,

451
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Speaker 1: Alex is back leading the championship's standings. Now for me

452
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Speaker 1: not to take anything away from Alex because he's won

453
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Speaker 1: a Grand Prix, but even he said when I was

454
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Speaker 1: reading on MotoGP dot com, that okay, when Mark's crashed out,

455
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Speaker 1: now it's my opportunity to be the stronger writer. Do

456
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Speaker 1: you agree with that?

457
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Speaker 2: Oh? Completely? I think you can see the way he

458
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 2: rode that race and he said afterwardss like, I've got

459
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Speaker 2: everybody else's measure here this weekend except for the guy

460
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Speaker 2: who I share the same surname as. And he's out

461
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Speaker 2: of the picture now. Whether he climbs out of the

462
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Speaker 2: gravel trap and comes home, he's not a factor for

463
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Speaker 2: the victory now. And so this was his day. And

464
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Speaker 2: you look at what Alex has done this year. That

465
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Speaker 2: GP twenty four is clearly very very sortied. The twenty five.

466
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Speaker 2: I don't think we've seen it anywhere near at ceiling year,

467
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Speaker 2: and it'll get there at some point. But Alex knows

468
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Speaker 2: he's on a good bike. He's in really, really good form.

469
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Speaker 2: I think his consistency has been outstanding the whole year.

470
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Speaker 2: In a straight head to head fight, nine and a

471
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Speaker 2: half times out of ten, he's probably not beating Mark,

472
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Speaker 2: But Mark's out of the equation. He had to win

473
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Speaker 2: that Grand Prix, not because you'll never get another chance,

474
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Speaker 2: but he's never going to get a better chance than that.

475
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Speaker 2: Now that that box has ticked, and it's a box

476
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Speaker 2: has been unchecked for so so long now since he

477
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Speaker 2: came in in twenty twenty. The next thing he needs

478
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Speaker 2: to do and he'll want to do, is he'll want

479
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Speaker 2: to try and beat Mark in a head to head.

480
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Speaker 2: And you know we've seen them have a couple of

481
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Speaker 2: you know, Grand Prix this year where thy land Mark

482
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 2: was kind of playing with everybody because he needed to

483
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Speaker 2: drop behind and get the tire pressure up and could

484
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Speaker 2: just pass Alex at will. Argentina wasn't as cruzy as that,

485
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Speaker 2: Like you could see our hard Mark was pushing in

486
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Speaker 2: Argentina to get back on terms with Alex in that race.

487
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Speaker 2: So there will be more races like Argentina down the track,

488
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Speaker 2: I think where Alex will have a chance to really

489
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Speaker 2: sort of plant his flag against his brother. What's super

490
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Speaker 2: interesting for me, and I'm sure you've thought this too.

491
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Speaker 2: We know in a fight how ferocious Mark is. You

492
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Speaker 2: can't tell me that in that situation, Mark's just going

493
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Speaker 2: to go, oh, yeah, that's just another guy. Like there's

494
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 2: got to be something in the back of your mind.

495
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Speaker 2: It's like, this is my little brother. You know. Mark's

496
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Speaker 2: always been like one of Alex's biggest supporters in terms

497
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Speaker 2: of his credibility and needing to be a motor GP.

498
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Speaker 2: We haven't seen that completely gloves off between the two

499
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Speaker 2: of them where you feel it's an equal fight yet,

500
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Speaker 2: But that's one of the things I'm looking forward to

501
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 2: for the rest of this season, and probably sooner rather

502
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 2: than later, before that GP twenty five gets sorted. It's

503
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Speaker 2: going to happen at some point because Alex is writing

504
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Speaker 2: the best he's ever ridden, and we know how good

505
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Speaker 2: Mark is when he's staying up right, So I think

506
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Speaker 2: that's one that we'll see sooner rather than later. I'm

507
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: so interested to see the dynamic between the two of

508
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Speaker 2: them in that situation, because I don't know. If you're

509
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Speaker 2: Alex marqueerres like, nobody expects you to win that head

510
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: to head, right, everyone expects that big Bro is going

511
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: to put you in your place. It's an awesome position

512
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Speaker 2: for Alex to be in because if you lose, everyone's

513
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 2: going to say, oh, well, we expected you to lose.

514
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: You were supposed to lose. But if you win, that's

515
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: a victory that is worth way more than just one

516
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 2: win and twenty five points because you stared down one

517
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 2: of the greatest to ever do it, and certainly the

518
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: best guy on this year's Grit. And if you managed

519
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: to beat him in a straight fight, that's massive credibility

520
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 2: for Alex, isn't it.

521
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Speaker 1: I think Mark being Mark and being how competitive he is,

522
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Speaker 1: And this is from experience of having a competitive brother

523
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Speaker 1: who never let me win anything. Ever, I think that

524
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Speaker 1: Mark won't back down, but it will deal it with

525
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Speaker 1: a smile on his face. I think Mark will be like, no, no,

526
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Speaker 1: like we're doing this. We're doing this, but the whole

527
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Speaker 1: time he is going to relish and love every minute

528
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Speaker 1: of it. And I also think for Alex, if he

529
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Speaker 1: does win and get that head to head and it

530
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Speaker 1: goes his favor, I think it'll be Alex stamping his

531
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Speaker 1: foot here and going, no, I do deserve to be here.

532
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Speaker 1: I'm not just Mark's brother, I am my own.

533
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Speaker 2: And isn't it funny, Like you said before that the

534
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Speaker 2: first pair of brothers who win Grand Prix, it's so

535
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Speaker 2: interesting because there's not you can't look back at this

536
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Speaker 2: and go, oh, yeah, this was just like when X

537
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 2: and Y were going against each other in nineteen ninety

538
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 2: two or nineteen eighty four or whatever. This is an

539
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 2: unprecedented situation where, yes, we've had siblings in Boda GP before,

540
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 2: they've never both been on the best bike at the

541
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Speaker 2: same time, and they certainly haven't been sharing podiums all

542
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Speaker 2: the time. And you think of that podium last year

543
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Speaker 2: at Saxon Ring when they were both on the podium.

544
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Speaker 2: That was the first time we'd had brothers on the

545
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 2: podium since I think it was the Ioki brothers, like

546
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 2: way way back in the day, like twenty thirty years ago.

547
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Speaker 2: Now seeing the two of them on the podium just

548
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: looks normal. It's not an outlier at all. So you know,

549
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: the next the elevator step of that is like what

550
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: happens if they start fighting one another for wins? Now

551
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 2: you expect there's going to be some other guys getting

552
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Speaker 2: in the way of that, like you know, Pecovnaira and

553
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: Couaaterero if it's more than just a one weekend thing.

554
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Speaker 2: But pretty interesting narrative, isn't it One we didn't see coming.

555
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't think I definitely didn't see it. I honestly

556
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Speaker 1: thought this year was going to be Mark and Peco,

557
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: Mark and Peco the whole time, and now it's a

558
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: good seguay for us to get onto Peco because this weekend,

559
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: for me, it felt like Pecko was very vocal. I

560
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: don't know if you felt the same with this map,

561
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: but watching in park Firma after qualifying quick to point

562
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Speaker 1: out on the broadcast, Oh, the Marquers brothers. They exited

563
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: pit lane under a red flag. You know, straight after

564
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Speaker 1: the race. It was like, oh, I'm not happy with

565
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: this performance. I had never seen this side of Peco

566
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: before where he is so vocal. What's your thoughts on that?

567
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 2: Pecko to me, and we've sort of you know, you

568
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: you called him the professor of many podcasts ago and

569
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: I always think of that when you talk about this.

570
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 2: Pecko's the sort of guy. He kind of mentioned it

571
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: a bit in the post race on Sunday, where Mark

572
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: will just get on something and write it. He said,

573
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 2: like Mark can ride everything. Pecko's got this wire between

574
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 2: his brain and he's right wrist where unless he completely

575
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: understands what's going on with the bike and he can

576
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: get everything just so like just how he likes it,

577
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 2: there's like a disconnect with the level of trust and belief,

578
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: like Pecko wants to understand what's going to happen, and

579
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Speaker 2: then go out and try and make it happen. And

580
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Speaker 2: I've always said that if every race was held in

581
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Speaker 2: the laboratory, Pecko probably never lose because once you remove

582
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: all of the variables, we've seen how incredibly good he is.

583
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: We saw it all of last year in the year before,

584
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 2: and that he had this methodical way of working through

585
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Speaker 2: a Grand Prix weekend, and that you look at first

586
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: practice on Friday and go, Pecko's fourteenth. It's like, that's

587
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: a bit rubbish, Like you do that every Friday. And

588
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: then he'd get into Q two and he'd be like

589
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: seventh or eighth, that was a bit underwhelming. And then

590
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: he'd come out on Saturday and you go, oh, okay,

591
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 2: because he'd taken all the data from Friday night and

592
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: he poured over that, and I can break a bit

593
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: deeper into this corner, and I can get on the

594
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: throttle a bit earlier. In this corner. He builds his

595
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: understanding and then he executes the understanding. Whereas Marko ride

596
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: around with a bike missing half of its arrow and

597
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 2: shredded like a cheese great as attack the thing, and

598
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: he would still do what he did on Sunday. I

599
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: love the way that both these guys are coming at

600
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: the same conclusion from totally different angles. And I think

601
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: the thing for Peco at the moment, he's frustrated in

602
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: that it's not a matter that he understands what the

603
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: issues are with the bike and he's just not fixing them.

604
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: I don't think he's got an understanding of what it

605
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: is that's bothering him on this particular bike relative to

606
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: last year, and it's the not knowing that's bothering him,

607
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: and it's the not knowing that's causing him to maybe

608
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 2: not second guess himself. But he doesn't completely believe yet

609
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: in what the bike is doing because he's got a

610
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: lot of questions about it. Now, will the bike get

611
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: better and will they gain more knowledge on that? Yes,

612
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: But at the moment it just encapsulates the way he

613
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: goes racing. He's a guy who uses his brain, you know,

614
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: and I mean this in an endearing way. He uses

615
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: his brain in a way that he wants to understand

616
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 2: what he's got at his disposal, and then once he

617
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: gets that. We've seen race weekends where he is completely untouchable.

618
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: We saw it last year. A couple of race weekends

619
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: where it looked like the others were in a different class,

620
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: where he'll be on pole, he'll win the first lap

621
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Speaker 2: and then you don't see him and he makes no

622
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 2: mistakes and you almost forget he's in the race, and go, oh,

623
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: Pecko won by four seconds, because that's the way Pecko

624
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: likes to go racing. At the moment, he doesn't have

625
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: the confidence in what he has underneath him to be

626
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: able to go and do that. So I think it's

627
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 2: just a bit of frustration, bit of touchiness. I mean,

628
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: it's got to be playing on his mind that a

629
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: guy has come into his team and I'll use that

630
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: in air quotes and won all of these races early on.

631
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: But I think the key thing for me, and this

632
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: is an underrated part of his season so far, it's

633
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: the best actual start to a season he's ever had

634
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 2: in terms of consistent results. He's only twenty points off

635
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: the championship lead. It feels like he's sixty points off

636
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: the championship lead. He's right there because Mark squandered some points.

637
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: Peco hasn't left too much on the table at the moment.

638
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: So in terms of your championship position, he's in a

639
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: really good position points wise, it just doesn't feel like

640
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: it because we haven't had the high points this year

641
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 2: so far.

642
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: No, you're right there, it doesn't feel like it. I

643
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: think coming back to what I was kind of asking,

644
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: was it just feels like because he is so down

645
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: that you forget. Yeah, he is fighting for that top

646
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: step in the points tally right now. I was looking

647
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: at the post test because they had a test there

648
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: on Monday in Herrath and it said that he's found

649
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: a couple of improvements. So maybe this alludes to what

650
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: you're saying there. It's that he's not entirely comfortable, not

651
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: feeling a hundred cent on the bike, but like you said,

652
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: struggling to find those improvements because we know this year

653
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: they're on like a GP twenty four point one, Like

654
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: they're not on a GP twenty five at all?

655
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: Are they twenty four points? Subthing? They get changes over

656
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: the course of the race weekend. But you hit on

657
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: an important point there. There's so little testing in Moto

658
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: GP through the season, right there's only three in season tests.

659
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: The twenty four that Alex is on are doing so

660
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: well on. I wouldn't say that's completely frozen. But there's

661
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: not going to be a whole even new stuff going

662
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: to that bike. The twenty four point eight nine twenty five,

663
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: whatever the hell it is cool the twenty five. The

664
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: twenty five is going to get better over the course

665
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: of the season because they're going to keep bringing developments

666
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: to it to make it faster, and it's going to

667
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: be up to Alex Marquez to The gap between the

668
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: twenty four and the twenty five in terms of machinery

669
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: is only going to increase, So Alex is going to

670
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: and Franka Morberdelli they're going to have to really step

671
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: up what they're doing on a bike that's kind of

672
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: reached the end of its development cycle. The twenty five

673
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: is going to get better, and I think as it

674
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: gets it's better. I think you'll see Pecko start to rise.

675
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: I still think it's a championship to be fought out

676
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: between the two factory Decady teammates the fact that Peko's

677
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: been a bit sort of bar so far and he's

678
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: only nineteen points behind Mark. That's like a massive win

679
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: for these first five rounds for me.

680
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes clear sense. Like I think the next

681
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: test is Aragon, so it's only three or four races away,

682
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: and then they're having another test, another test, another test again.

683
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: So I do agree we're going to start to see

684
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: that difference. Is this kind of where we're going to

685
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: see Alex Marquez maybe not necessarily having that chance to

686
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: fight with his brother or be he's going to be

687
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: on the podiums at some of these events, like we

688
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: know that, but also so as ferminality gay because we're

689
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: seeing him fight closer to the front, we're seeing the

690
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: VR forty six machines. There is this where we're going

691
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: to see that jump and Pecko is going to be

692
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: definitively up the top more often.

693
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think once the bike gets better

694
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: and he begins to understand it more. I mean we're

695
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: still super early in the season, right, still seventeen rounds

696
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: to go, Like you forget about that. Seventeen rounds used

697
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: to be the entire Motor GP season back in the day.

698
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: But it feels like we're like four hundred races in already.

699
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because every weekend's got to No, I know

700
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: what you mean. It does feel like that. It's like

701
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: all the lights are going out again, but the other

702
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: guy to keep an eye on for me in that

703
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: same boat as Degen Antonio because he's also ot A

704
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: twenty five and he has been a bit He's been okay.

705
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: We know that he was super compromised after the preseason

706
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: and hurting himself again and everything else. He's a guy

707
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: that I expect to move forwards, and not that I'm

708
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: peering into the crystal ball too much. I reckon he

709
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: wins a Grand Prix or two before the end of

710
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: this year, because he's going to be to me in

711
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: the back half of the season. He'll be the guy

712
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: that's there like Alex has been at the moment on

713
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: the days where Mark drops the ball or Pecko's a

714
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: bit off or whatever it is. To Jen, Antonio is

715
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: going to have the machinery. He's getting better physically week

716
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: by week. I expect that he will rise as the

717
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: season goes on, because let's be honest, if you're going

718
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: to win a Motor GP race, you want to be

719
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: on a decaddy. There's only six of them this year,

720
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: and he's got one of the better ones, so I

721
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: do think he'll be coming forwards.

722
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: Let's talk on the other writer who's kind of just

723
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: been there these last two races. Maverick Vinalas leading the

724
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: way for KTM this weekend, finished fourth in Sunday's Grand Prix. Obviously,

725
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: Brad Binder and Pedro Acosta not far behind. I think

726
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: they were sixth and seventh. Maverick said he found a

727
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: balance in the KTM this weekend. And obviously we spoke

728
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: about this in the previous part. It's bat mav that

729
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: we're talking about here, but it seems like Maverick's the

730
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: only writer who's really saying the positive things about the

731
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 1: RC sixteen this season.

732
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't that? Like Brad Binder like to

733
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: take our listeners behind the curtain here. Brad Binder is

734
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: lovely guy, you know, good English speaker, friendly and what

735
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: have you. Never gives you too much as far as

736
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: the press stuff goes like. He's very sort of straight

737
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: up and down, which is the way he is, whether

738
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: he wins all losers. I appreciate the consistency with Brad,

739
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: but he's never going to really wear his heart on

740
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: his sleeve with these sorts of things. Pedro Acosta and

741
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: now that's an interesting story because you're wondering how keen

742
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: he is to be there and there's offers from elsewhere,

743
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: and so on and so forth. Maverick Vinale is it's

744
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: not that the fact that the glasses half full. For

745
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: Maverick at the moment, the glass is so full that

746
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: it's spilling over the sides and he's got to go

747
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: and get another one because he's just so optimistic about

748
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: everything at the moment. Because we know that when things

749
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: are good for Maverick, he tends to ride the emotional

750
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: rollercoaster a little bit, super confident, super happy to be there.

751
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: And so the question after Katar Qatar is one of

752
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: those race weekends where we go, well, here's one of

753
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: our two weekends a year where Maverick Vanillas looks like

754
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: the greatest Bodo GP rider of all time. I fully

755
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: expected him to go, oh yeah, Maverick Vinalez was in

756
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: the race. When I look down the classification at the

757
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: end of the race and oh, he's thirteenth or something,

758
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: and you expected that to be there. He was really

759
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: really good all weekend and the line that you just

760
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: said before that I kind of grinned at when you

761
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: said it. He was the best KTM over the course

762
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: of the weekend. And what was so funny at the

763
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: start of the year is that you're thinking, all right,

764
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: a Costas in the main team. He's the young he's

765
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: the young guy. He's got all the talent. We know,

766
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: he's got all the belief. He's got a great benchmark

767
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: in binder because we'll find out how good a Costa

768
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: is because Binda is such a proven commodity. And then

769
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 2: you had Bastini and Vignales at Tech three, who both

770
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: aren't shall we say renowned for being able to be

771
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: that versatile in the way they go racing. Like Bastianini's

772
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: got his one trick, which is to be rubbish at

773
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: qualifying and there'd be amazing with entire life in the

774
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: race and overtake everybody in the last few laps. It's

775
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: how he's won pretty much every race he's won. And

776
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: Vignales is a guy that it took him so long

777
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: to do anything on an Aprillia, then he got to Aprilia,

778
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: finally had some good results and then left because he's

779
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: Maverick Vinalees. So the fact that he has emerged is

780
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: the sort of shining light for KTM. It's been a

781
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: weird six months or for KTM with on a lot

782
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: of counts but the fact that you said, oh, yeah,

783
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: Maverick Vinalez is the most convincing ktm rid right now.

784
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: It's okay, sure, because I'm prepared to believe anything with

785
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: Maverick because when it's good, it's very very good.

786
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's Mapic, that's Batman in a nutshell. That is him.

787
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: But you mentioned Pedro Acossa there. The news came out

788
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: post Monday's test that he had They're calling it a

789
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: surprising surgery to treat chronic compartment syndrome in his right forum.

790
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: And is him pump Yeah, yeah, that's why I was

791
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: just like it is arm Palm saying that he's expected

792
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: to return for the French Grand Prix, which we know

793
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: is in not this weekend, the following weekend in May, mom,

794
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: and that we in May already. Do you think that

795
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: him struggling with his arm pub Is this the reason

796
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: why Pedro hasn't been where we've thought he has been

797
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: so far this season? Or is it because of the

798
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: drama going on katm and the other offers, et cetera,

799
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: et cetera.

800
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, one of the best things about

801
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: Pedro Acosta is that he's very impatient for success and

802
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: One of the worst things about Pedro Acosta is that

803
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: he's very impatient for success. And he's five races into

804
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: racing for katm's full factory team. He's got the big promotion,

805
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: he's been with them forever, and he's not super happy

806
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: right now. He's very, very, very frustrated, and because he

807
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: had this crazy sort of performance curve to get into

808
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: Motor GP in the first place, like one motor three

809
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: really quickly, one motor two really quickly. The impatience is

810
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: what makes him great, but the impatience is what is

811
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: probably hurting him right now because every press debrief that

812
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 2: he does, and if Bike's had body language, you could

813
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: see this as well. You could feel the frustration because

814
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: he wants to be up the front right now and

815
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about this like this just

816
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: needs to happen, and so look the arm pumped thing.

817
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: These guys go through this all the time. Anyways. I'm

818
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: not sure it's a huge drama in that respect, but

819
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: there's a soup. There's just a really heightened level of

820
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: frustration with him because how rapid his rise has been

821
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 2: through the junior classes, and the impatience is what makes

822
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: him great. But right now, that's not a bike that

823
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 2: it's not a race winning or race contending victory contending

824
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 2: bike because it's not a Ducati. So if you're him,

825
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: you've been with KTM all the time, there's all this discussion.

826
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: Do you try and get out of that contract? Do

827
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: you try and get on a satellite? Satellite? Do you Catti?

828
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: It's going to cost a lot to buy and out

829
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: of that contract. The only place he could probably go

830
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: with BVR forty six. Do VR forty six have the

831
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 2: money to buy out a KTM factory contract? Spoiler, No,

832
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: they don't. If they were to move for a cost,

833
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: that would mean Valentino Rossi, you'd have to get rid

834
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: of Franko morber Delhi because he's the one on the

835
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: shorter contract and he's a Rossi protege all of that.

836
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: So that's another factor. And then the other question is

837
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: you've seen his name linked with Honda, which is interesting

838
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: to me because again it's not going to solve Pedro's

839
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: impatience next week, but Honda with a new rule set

840
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: coming in, and you know they'll throw every available resource

841
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: at that thing. If there was a factory that was

842
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: going to get twenty twenty seven, right, that's not right

843
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: at the front. Right now, I'd put a fair bit

844
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: of money on Honda because you know they're not going

845
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: to die wondering with this thing. The problem is Acosta

846
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: is impatient because something's not happening now. Having to sell

847
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: him on a vision, it's like, oh, can you just

848
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: ride around in circles until twenty twenty seven when we

849
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: might be good. I'm not sure that's going to make

850
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: him feel any better either. So yeah, he is a

851
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: very very frustrated young man at the moment, and we

852
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 2: know how good he is. But it's just the fact

853
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: of modern day motor gp that unless you get Fabio

854
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: Couaderrara on a Yabaha at Herreth, which is a perfect

855
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: marriage of a lot of things, it's hard to see

856
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: how this gets any better for anyone not riding a

857
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: ducaddi for the short term.

858
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: When Marquez made the change from Honda to ju Caddie,

859
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: I was god smacks because I didn't think he would

860
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: ever leave Honda because it felt like he was so

861
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: loyal to them. This is my question then, to you

862
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: with Pedro a Costa, because like you mentioned that, it

863
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: was KTMKTM KTM through everything. Does he feel like he's

864
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: tied to them? Do you think? Or is he is?

865
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: He just wants to win no matter what.

866
00:38:54,719 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 2: Look, there's probably there's probably some element of loyalty to

867
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 2: a degree because they've brought him through and a Heio

868
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: has been prominent with that. It would be a hard

869
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 2: thing for him to do to say, look, I can't

870
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: wait for this, but he's what twenty twenty one or whatever.

871
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: It was.

872
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: The difference between the difference between Mark leaving Honda was

873
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: that Mark had had an incredible amount of success there

874
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,959
Speaker 2: and he had finally got himself back to a point

875
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: physically where he was of the opinion that it's not

876
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: my body that's holding me back anymore. I think it's

877
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: my machinery that's holding me back. And the only way

878
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to be able to answer that question is

879
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: to leave. And it's an easier decision for Mark to

880
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 2: make when he's in his thirties and he's won six

881
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: MOTORGP World titles and has a lot of money, and

882
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: so you know, I appreciate the fact that Mark has

883
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: said I'm prepared to take a massive paker and go

884
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 2: and ride for a satellite team to see if I've

885
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: still got it, and the answer is unequivocally yes. After

886
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: these last couple of seasons. It's hard for you and

887
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: I are to tell a twenty year old who's got

888
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: ambitions of winning multiple Motor GP World Championships to be

889
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: patient the KTM thing. There's some stuff going on behind

890
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: the scene, which we've talked about and I've written about

891
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: on Fox sports dot com dot A you about the

892
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: financial situation there in At the moment, it doesn't necessarily

893
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: look like it's going to be getting better quickly, like

894
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: it might be one where you have to write it

895
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: out and be a little bit patient. So he's got

896
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: to decide to stay with what he has and go

897
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: through the end of this rule cycle until twenty seven,

898
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: or to try and get out, probably at some sort

899
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: of financial cost. And then you're taking like it's not

900
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: a total shot in the dark, if you know what

901
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 2: I mean, But it is a bit of a gamble,

902
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: because what if you hit your wagon too Honda for

903
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: twenty seven and they go, oh, look, we've got an

904
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: ok bike for twenty seven, but it's going to be

905
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: two more years until we get back there. Right now,

906
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: A cost is frustrated after five races, He's not going

907
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: to want to be frustrated for four years, so it's

908
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 2: a really interesting one for him. I like the fact

909
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: that he cares enough that he's frustrated about the results.

910
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: But there's a longer lens that probably needs to be

911
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: looked at here, because you don't want to jump too

912
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: early at something and then regret it. Because motor GP's

913
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: history is full of guys that have done that well, speaking.

914
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: On like jumping to things and regretting. I want to

915
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: talk about Yamaha with their engine because over the weekend

916
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: we heard a lot from Augusto Fernandez, who's filling in

917
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: for Miguel Olivera. And while we know that the Yamaha

918
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: boys are pretty much told not to talk about the

919
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: V four or where that, Augusto was just like, yeah,

920
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm just going to share everything that I know. So

921
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: we know that they tested on Monday a new version

922
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: of the Inline four, which I heard both Fabio and

923
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: Jack Miller because Jack didn't have the best weekend this weekend,

924
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: but we heard on Monday that there's new updated Inline Force.

925
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: Seems to be heading in the right direction. Jack even

926
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: said something like they're giving us what we've asked for.

927
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: But then I heard the talks about the V four

928
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: and there's that rumor that it could be debuting this

929
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: year at one of the races. I think Mattegi maybe

930
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: Augusto said. Then I heard Fabio saying, yeah, but I

931
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: might not even like it, or it might not even

932
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: suit me, and then even said I might not even

933
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: be there. Then watch your take on that is is

934
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: this updated version of the inline for what Yamaha need,

935
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: but also this whole V four thing. Thinking about it, Fabio,

936
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: who's only ridden for the Yamaha's Emoto GP, He's going

937
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: to have to go and change his whole writing style everything.

938
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: We know that Maverick struggled when he went from Yamaha across.

939
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: How's that going to work? Because there's so much with

940
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: an engine. It's not just changing one thing, right, yeah,

941
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: everything with that bike.

942
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: That point you made then about Fabio only having experience

943
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: with riding a Yamaha for his entire Motor GP career,

944
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: and we forget twenty nineteen eight. He came in, He

945
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: came in as a super super young guy. There's a

946
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: bit with Fabio with this V four thing. It's not

947
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 2: an obsession with his But it's one of those things

948
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: that if everyone else has got something different to you

949
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: and it seems to be good, then these guys are like, well,

950
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: I want that because that seems to be working. The

951
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: problem is you've got all these other manufacturers that are

952
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: super experienced with V four's. It's unrealistic to think that

953
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 2: Yamaha will produce a V four that they're willing to

954
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: race that's instantly going to be able to compete with

955
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: Ducati and KTM, And it's not a realistic thing. So

956
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: is it one of those two steps back to take

957
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: one step forwards? Things? Eventually in the long run it

958
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: might be better. But if you're Fabio and you have

959
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: to go and unlearn a lot of stuff that you've

960
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: done with Yamaha for the potential of a greater upside

961
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: a long way down the track, that's a tough one

962
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 2: to swallow because we know how good the guys twenty

963
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: twenty one World champion had a huge lead halfway through

964
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: twenty two before you Yamaha just got out developed really

965
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 2: by Ducati, and we know what's happened since. What was interesting?

966
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: I also read those comments after the Hareth test and

967
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: it sounds like the bike's quicker in a straight line,

968
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: gets out of the corners faster would if you're Fabio,

969
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: do you want smaller incremental improvements with a sort of

970
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: proven commodity of an engine like they've been running and

971
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: you know you're starting from a base of whatever that

972
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: basis and you're moving forward or you prepared to go, well,

973
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: let's throw all that in the bin for this mythical

974
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: V four that might come on and be absolutely fantastic.

975
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 2: And you mentioned before there's a key part in all

976
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: of this in the Augusto Fernandez, who I'm sure was

977
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 2: given a bit of addressing down by the Yamaha Comm's

978
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: department afterwards, like could you just stop being so honest please,

979
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: A gustou In these press briefings, the thing that I

980
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: had read you've probably read the same is that he

981
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: will wildcut that at Motigi. That's going to be so

982
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 2: interesting in terms of Motiki. Is a weird track. Let's

983
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: be honest. There's nowhere like it on the calendar. But

984
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: they'll be looking at things like speed trap figures, how

985
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: the thing gets out of the corner, is what the

986
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: balance is like? Because Tho's in a good place I

987
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: reckon in terms of he's not super like young and inexperience.

988
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 2: He's a guy who's been around himTo two champion. He's

989
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 2: got a really important role there in terms of what

990
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: he says and thinks and develops with that particular engine

991
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 2: is going to have a huge say what happens going forward.

992
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: And if you're Yamaha, I think last weekend, if it

993
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: proved anything that you've got to ride a good enough

994
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: to win things, you can give him the machinery to

995
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 2: do it. Because Fabio, you know, like I said before,

996
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: is one of to my mind, one of the best

997
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: four guys in it. If you can give him a

998
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 2: machine that he can fight with, He's proven that he

999
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: can do it in the past and he still has that.

1000
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's definitely an interesting one. I think it

1001
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: sounds like both Quatro and Rims are going to raise

1002
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: the new engine at Lamont in two weeks time now.

1003
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: Whether Jack Miller gets one or not, I don't know.

1004
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: I really hope they do give one to Jack because

1005
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 2: Jack's so good on this developmental side. You can already

1006
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: see the impact he's making it Yamaha, just from being

1007
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: there for this half a season. The more data they

1008
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: can get on that engine, bring it forward to that

1009
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: next test that you mentioned at Aragon. Seems like that's

1010
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: the way forward. But if you're Yamaha, one thing you

1011
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: can't accuse Yamaha of doing. They are not sitting on

1012
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: their hands and willing to take this line down. They

1013
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: are throwing everything at this thing to try and get

1014
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: back to where they've been in the past. And a

1015
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 2: motor GP with a strong Yamaha is a good motor

1016
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 2: GP in my opinion, so let's hope it continues well.

1017
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: Also, Honda this weekend because they had Alisia Spagro there

1018
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: test rider return and was interesting to see Aleish kind

1019
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: of saying how on bike fit he was, and we

1020
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: saw him shake in his hands there in the earlier sessions.

1021
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: But then I read that on Monday Luca Marini actually

1022
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: tested on the bike that Aleish had there, So it

1023
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: seems like Honda are also trying to be that bit

1024
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: more proactive. I think Yamaha did lead the way, but

1025
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: Honda they're trying to get back up there as well. Well.

1026
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 2: It's interesting they've both gone with non Japanese tech directors,

1027
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: which is a massive thing for those two companies. They

1028
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: don't generally outsource those really senior management positions to Europeans.

1029
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: It's not really happened. And they've recruited from Deucadian from

1030
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: Apulia because they know there's a proven way of success there.

1031
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 2: So that was the first step to turning something around

1032
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: is putting your hand up and saying we've been doing

1033
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: it wrong. There's a lot of places that don't do that.

1034
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: There's a lot of corporate pride and history in ways

1035
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: of working, particularly in the Japanese sort of corporate culture,

1036
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 2: that don't necessarily translate to murdor GP. So they've made

1037
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 2: the admission and hired the correct people. I think that's

1038
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: probably the first step to coming back. But we're not

1039
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 2: talking about Motor GP this year like we were last

1040
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: year where you had the Japanese Cup down the back

1041
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: and they were just hopeless, like you just never saw

1042
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: them unless they were crashing. They were nowhere in terms

1043
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: of featuring anywhere properly in results. Now it feels like

1044
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: every weekend there is a Yamaha or a Honda in

1045
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: the mixed. Jean Zako has had a really good year.

1046
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: Kuaatearero was fantastic this weekend in Spain. Jack Miller finished

1047
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 2: fifth in Austin on Merrit and was really really good there.

1048
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: So it's not just oh, there's no Japanese bikes up

1049
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: in the top five or six. There's always one on

1050
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: them up there now. And the fact that you've got

1051
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: a variety with these manufacturers, I think super positive for

1052
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: the overall product.

1053
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: I reckon oh, one hundred percent. I think what was

1054
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: interesting as well on the Monday test is, you know,

1055
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: we saw a lot of the manufacturers testing a new

1056
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: arrow packages or swing arms or et cetera, et cetera.

1057
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: But agv as Haest sing a new arrow winglet on

1058
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: the side of the helmet.

1059
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: Did you see No, I haven't seen this.

1060
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: Oh HRC reps repsol. I'm god, every there's one HRC

1061
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: Castro Honda Yeah, posted a funny caption of the chrome

1062
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: dome they called it, and on the chin on the

1063
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: side there's like a little winglet there. So that's why four.

1064
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: It was really quite interesting that this arrow style is

1065
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: transgressioning from just the bike to actually on the riders. Now.

1066
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's something they're going to use

1067
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: or see or we'll see even this year, but interesting.

1068
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 2: The Yeah, the the can's been will and truly opened

1069
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 2: their aero. Okay, in these days you can't force stuff.

1070
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 2: They can do it. Now there's so much going we're

1071
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: gonna start hiring riders based on whether they have, you know,

1072
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: the right shoulder widths or something, because it helps with

1073
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: the arrow profile and the bike. And that's going to

1074
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: be it's going to be the next step the way

1075
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: these things go.

1076
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: No, no, no, let's go. Let's go. I'm already looking

1077
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty seven and wait to see the reduction

1078
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: and see because we mentioned earlier that dirty air that

1079
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: we saw with Fabio in the sprint and everything. It's

1080
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: just getting too much. But that's Moto GP and we

1081
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: still love it for what it is now. But I

1082
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier we had some Aussies on the podium, So Matt,

1083
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: we have to talk about Moto two. We have to

1084
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: talk about Sena. Age is crossing the line p three.

1085
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 1: That's his second podium this year, if Itt his first

1086
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: front row is well, qualifying on third on the grid

1087
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: for the Grand Prix on Sunday. Senna said in post

1088
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: race that he was struggling with the bike a little bit.

1089
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: He had some troubled where he didn't feel it earlier

1090
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: in the weekend. But I think we're seeing more consistent Senna,

1091
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: and I don't know how much of it is coming

1092
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: from his teammate Manu, who is getting the data and

1093
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: learning a lot of or if we're just seeing an

1094
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: older and wiser senate in his nineteen years of age

1095
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: on this line.

1096
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, the old ages before his twenty, but there is

1097
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: a degree of It's one of those things that you

1098
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: get to a world championship level and you think, oh, yeah,

1099
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: I can be on the podium, I can compete with

1100
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: these guys, but until you've actually done it, and then

1101
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: you've done it more than once. Obviously, Philippi on last

1102
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: year was pretty special. That was an amazing day for him,

1103
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: but it felt at the time that it was not

1104
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: just quite and it wasn't an unrepeatable outlier, but it

1105
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: definitely didn't feel legitimate or sustainable at that point. What

1106
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: we've seen this year is he's got a different teammate

1107
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: who's clearly writing really really well. Bike's good, and he's competitive.

1108
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: It's not just all that's a surprise that Center AGS

1109
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: is going well this weekend. Now we're almost surprised when

1110
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: he's not. And that's been the biggest change. Now, I

1111
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 2: think the perception of what people think he can do

1112
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: in that category, and I think the belief of what

1113
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: he thinks he can do in this category. It's not

1114
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: surprising at all to see him up there now. It

1115
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 2: looks super legit and well a I enjoyed the It's funny,

1116
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: like the three m Motor two races were both pretty

1117
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,479
Speaker 2: similar at Herreth and you had a nailed on winner

1118
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: up the front, and then the podium spots were really

1119
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 2: contentious behind. How good is it when we've got Motor

1120
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: GP in Europe, in family in viewing, friendly times for

1121
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: Ossie's and and you've got ozsies actually in contention in

1122
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: the two lower classes. It was a super fun night

1123
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: Sunday night.

1124
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: That battle that Senna had with Diogo Morrera where he

1125
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: was like on the grass. At one point on the

1126
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: Fox Socials, we put are you racing Moto two? Are

1127
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: you cutting the grass there? Center? Because he was literally

1128
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: millimeters from him running off the track. It was wild. Yeah,

1129
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: great fight, great five epic battle. And then let's talk

1130
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: about Joel and Jacob in Moto iie so Joel got

1131
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: another podium this weekend, so we started on the front

1132
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: row and he crossed the line in third and then

1133
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: wet that funny thing in Park fer Me where he said,

1134
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: if he gets on the podium this weekend at Arez,

1135
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: where he said it was a track that he doesn't

1136
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: necessarily enjoy or doesn't suit him, he's getting a dog.

1137
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: So welcome to the family, Joel Kelso poppy. But yeah, Joel,

1138
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: I think we said this in previous pods, and I

1139
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: think it's coming to fruition now he's found that missing

1140
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: one besoon last year, whatever that change was for him,

1141
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: He's gone from fading through the second half of the

1142
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: race to now he's up the front and he is

1143
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: battling for the entire time. Yeah.

1144
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of the evolution. The amount of times

1145
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: last year there'd be a breakaway group of seven at

1146
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: the front of a Motor GP Moto III race and

1147
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: Joel would be seventh out of the seven or fifth

1148
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: out of five. He'd always be at the back of it,

1149
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: so he'd be fast enough to be in the mix,

1150
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: but not quite fast enough to convert it. That's where

1151
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: he's made the step, and he's described it as a

1152
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: small percentage. Think it's such a tiny percentage of the

1153
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: overall arsenal, but it's so crucial. He would be really

1154
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 2: good for eighty five percent of the race, and then

1155
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: you just see the fades start to happen in those

1156
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 2: last few laps. He's got that staying power now, a

1157
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: lot of it's between his ears because he's got the

1158
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: belief he can do it.

1159
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: Now.

1160
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 2: He feels very on top of what he's doing. He's

1161
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: moved to a better team this year, having just a

1162
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: really really consistently solid year. We know he's always been

1163
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: good in qualifying, he's been able to probably transcend the

1164
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: performance of what he's been writing on at a couple

1165
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: of his previous stops. But this looks the most optimisty

1166
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: thing for me is it looks totally legit. There's nothing

1167
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: sort of out larra sh or random about the whole thing.

1168
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: He looks like a guy who should be there every weekend.

1169
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 2: And then how nice was it to see Jacob Rolston

1170
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: qualify well, race strongly, get a good result. But more

1171
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: importantly it was at this same circuit where it really

1172
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: hurt himself not so long ago. And you, I mean

1173
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: you've spoken to him enough. You can't tell me that

1174
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: as you drive in to her reath for that weekend

1175
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: that the first thing that comes to me. You can't

1176
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: help but to think about something like that. So to

1177
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 2: go back there, park that in the back of your mind,

1178
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: have a really strong qualifying and a really good race

1179
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: result where you're clearly a bit underdone. You missed the

1180
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: first few rounds. You're not quite there yet. Super promising

1181
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: for all the Aussies in the feeder classes. And yeah,

1182
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: the fact we're in Europe for the next eleven rounds

1183
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: means that Sunday nights are going to be appointment viewing

1184
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: from now and in all three classes.

1185
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: I think, well, the thing is Motoree and Motor twur

1186
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: on at prime time, So get your friends, to get

1187
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: your family over, make a night of it and watch

1188
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: some of the epic racing. Yes, we love Moto GP,

1189
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: but Moto three specially shows some of the best racing.

1190
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: We've preached this on this podcast so many times. The

1191
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: battles they're changing, the passing, the overtaking. Oh, it's the best.

1192
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: And I think what is so exciting is we have okay,

1193
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: we're round five, but Senna and Joel both on the

1194
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: podium this weekend, Jacob coming back from that injury, top

1195
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: ten result. This is the future of Moto GP, and

1196
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: we're seeing it's not just the Italian and the Spanish shows.

1197
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: We've got the Aussi's, We've got Cormack from New Zealand,

1198
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: there's more South Africans, there's more nationalities now coming in.

1199
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: But the Aussie kids, I shouldn't say kids, the Aussie writers.

1200
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: They're paving the way and if they can continue this

1201
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: consistency now throughout the year, then I think we're going

1202
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: to be in for the future of Moto GP looking

1203
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: really really bright.

1204
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean, look, you're allowed to call them kids.

1205
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: I'm definitely allowed to call them kids. My goodness, these guys.

1206
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 2: I love how young these guys are because they haven't

1207
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: had the media citizensm but out of them yet. But

1208
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: the best thing about them coming on strong and looking

1209
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: like it's really consistent is where Australia and Philip Island

1210
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: sits on the calendar. Because we're towards the back end

1211
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 2: of the season and you know, there's a very strong

1212
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: chance Joe Kelso is going to be in a very

1213
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: very good championship position by the time we get to

1214
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: Philip Island and possibly Center if this keeps up as well.

1215
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: So these guys riding at home with real steaks in

1216
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: October rather than it's just nice to be there and

1217
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 2: perhaps jag a good result. That's it's going to add

1218
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 2: something for the island, isn't it.

1219
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: Oh? Definitely. That's why we love MotoGP, and that's why

1220
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: we love Motorcycle research. Absolutely, But Matt, I think we've

1221
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: pretty much covered everything from the Spanish Grand Prix. If

1222
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: you guys want any more info though, you can read

1223
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: some MAT's articles on Fox sports dot com, do au Forward,

1224
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: Slash Motorsport, or you can follow us on socials. We

1225
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: are at Fox Motorsport on all the platforms. As always,

1226
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: big thank you to Shannon's for helping bring the Pittok

1227
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: podcast to life. And we're going to have a little

1228
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: break from ROTOGP because this weekend is via fami f

1229
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: one Miami f one, which Matt I'm sure you guys

1230
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: are you Michael Lamonado will chat about and then we'll

1231
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: be back real soon with the Lemon French Grand Prix.

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