WEBVTT - Sharri | 3 June 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:08.400 Live on Sky News. This is Sharry Good Evening. Well, 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:10.119 wasn't that incredible? 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:13.080 Well done to Chang Lay and the entire Sky News 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:17.040 team behind the documentary. What resonates with me the most 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:21.000 is the unfathomable agony of the years when Chang Lay 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.479 didn't know if she'd ever see her children again or 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:28.880 ever be set free, the psychological torment she went through, 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:33.519 the relentless nothingness. And it's really hard to stomach that 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:38.519 former Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews went to China during that period, 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.680 as you just saw, and failed to raise Lay's case 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.000 despite being given briefing notes by defact on how to 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:47.199 raise and handle it. 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:51.479 And this infuriates Lay two. 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:57.240 I am pretty beyond anger, but that does make me angry, 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:02.040 but I think perhaps mister Andrews was more worried about 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.759 his business opportunities after politics. 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.480 It's really unforgivable and we can see now that sheng 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:13.039 Lei was a high profile casualty of the Communist party 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:18.200 system that toys with human lives as leverage. Beijing was 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:22.000 unhappy with the Australian government's call for an inquiry into 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.080 the origins of COVID nineteen, a call by the way, 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:29.400 that was absolutely the right thing to do, and Lay. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.040 Was one of the victims. She was a human pawn, 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:33.600 as she acknowledges. 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:36.640 But she's not the only one who is still being 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:41.200 held captive by the CCP. Doctor Yang heng Jhun is 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:46.080 a Chinese born Australian writer and pro democracy advocate, first 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:52.680 arrested in twenty nineteen under spurious accusations of espionage. He's 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.960 a father of two young children, and in a far 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:01.640 cry from open justice, he's been dealing with secretive trials 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:05.760 for five long years and last year he received the 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.320 death sentence with a two year reprieve, and so the 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:13.840 threat of execution for him looms now. The Albenese government 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.880 should be doing everything it can to secure his release, 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.239 but I am worried that the Prime Minister is more 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:27.160 concerned about preserving his personal relationship with China than standing 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:32.000 up for Yang in the strongest possible terms. And like 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.720 Cheng Lei, Yang should return to the loving arms of 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:37.000 his wife and. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.120 Children to our country. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.360 We need to urge Albenzi to act before it's too late. 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.320 It's against this backdrop of a more assertive China that 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:56.120 British Prime Minister Kiir Stamer announced bold military plans to 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:00.480 bring the UK to what he described as war fighting readiness. 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:05.720 He's building twelve new attack submarines, investing billions in weapons 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.040 and expanding the nuclear powered submarine fleet. 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.640 Here is Keir Starmer today. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:17.799 Things have changed in the world of today the frontline 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.160 if you like this here, the threat we now face 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:27.160 is more serious, more immediate and more unpredictable than at 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.160 any time since the Cold War. 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:31.000 Now. 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:36.080 Interestingly, a UK defense expert, Malcolm Charmers, said that Britain's 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.880 commitment to build more submarines was not a hedge against 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:45.040 total US disengagement, but it can provide some assurance against 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.600 a scenario in which the US is no longer prepared 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:54.560 to export complete submarines to Australia. Now, this is an 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:59.360 important British investment and it's bizarre our Prime Minister isn't 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:04.280 taking the attitude during this volatile period in global politics. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.040 And it comes as new details now emerge of the 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:13.160 stunning Ukrainian operation on Russia that hit forty one aircraft. 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.880 It's like something out of a spy movie. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:21.000 The top secret operation code named Spiderweb, was said to 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:25.159 be eighteen months in the making. Ukraine smuggled drones in 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:31.279 decoy trucks driven some three four hundred kilometers through Russia 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:36.960 by unsuspecting Russians who had no idea what they were transporting, 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:42.120 and the drones were then remotely detonated. General Jack Keane 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:46.039 said it was a remarkable operation that reminds him of 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:50.800 the Israeli exploding pages targeting Hesbelah. 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:55.760 The operation is brilliant because the Ukrainians contracted Russian drivers, 0:04:55.880 --> 0:05:01.039 they drove the trucks, no Ukrainians involved. They contract did 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:07.200 Russian containers. They assembled those Russian containers inside of Russia. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.840 We can't verify that they were using actually Russian component 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:16.000 parts to do that assembly, and there were Russian trucks 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.839 involved in all of that. There were no Ukrainians involved 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.039 in the operation on the ground once the trucks left 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:24.560 the area where they were assembled. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:29.880 This was a brilliantly executed ambush and the actual hit 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.560 was of cost successful, but the psychological impact as well, 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:39.160 we'll linger far longer. There'll be suspicion over every Russian truck, 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:44.000 and enemy military resources will be diverted to examining both 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:48.760 drivers and their cargo. But it's also showcased just how 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.080 effective the use of drones can be. It's a revolution 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.839 in warfare. As The New York Post writer Rich Lowry 0:05:55.880 --> 0:06:01.960 pointed out, badly outmanned an outgunn Kun just reached far 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:07.680 inside its adversaries territory to destroy or damage hugely expensive, 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:15.080 nuclear capable strategic aircraft with low cost drones basically indistinguishable 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:20.239 from ones available on Amazon. There's also concern now about 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.880 how our enemies could be planning to use low cost 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.640 drone technology in the future, and this is a lesson 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.000 for all of us. Lowry goes on to say that 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:35.320 whoever takes the technological leap ahead in war fighting capability 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:40.400 often prevails, while the laggard is left to contemplate his 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.960 castle reduced to rubble or his fleet sent to the 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:48.440 bottom of the ocean. We've seen it now with both 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:53.640 Israel and Ukraine. Innovation in warfare and the element of 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:59.480 surprise on unsuspecting targets can have astonishing and deeply impressive results. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.719 But we need to keep pace with technology. Albanezi can't 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:07.440 rest on Scott Morrison's laurels and wait for submarines to 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:11.520 turn up in some fifteen years time, and as for. 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:12.680 Russia and Ukraine. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:17.360 With the war raging on, Trump's peace talks are looking 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:21.760 weaker and more doomed to fail each passing day. 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:23.520 This strike was. 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.560 Zelenski's sending a message to the world that he's not 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:34.120 giving up and he's in this to win. Well, for 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.560 more on that topic and the other big stories of 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.480 the day, let's bring in now former Speaker of the 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.680 House bron and Bishop and the Daily Telegraph journalist James 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.760 willis great to see you both, I mean Bron when 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:50.000 it seems Australia isn't keeping pace with the technology advancements 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.680 in defense, and it seems from the comments we've heard 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.720 from Albanzi this week that is not too concerned about 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:56.160 it either. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.840 Absolutely, he has no will to make us able to 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.480 look after ourselves, none at all. He's far more interested 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:08.000 in closing up to the Communist Party of China and 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:12.440 distancing himself from the United States, our traditional allies. So 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:17.240 there is no determination in this government at all to 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.920 focus on the defense of the nation, which is a 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:25.880 primary responsible responsibility of any government. But we've seen it 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.960 in other Labor Party governments, not under Beasley, who was 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:34.280 a fierce defense minister, but that feeling that will just 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:38.160 doesn't exist under this man. He has absolutely no desire 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:42.040 to take on the Chinese threat at all, pushes it 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.720 away is if it doesn't exist at all, and at 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:48.400 the same time alienates our traditional allies. What about that 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.600 comment about Stammer and the United Kingdom today. Oh, yes, 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.440 he's in another place, he's over there. 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:54.520 I beg your pardon. 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.040 The fact of the matter, we're doing the same problems. 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.760 Absolutely, of course it is in our region. 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.280 And this is what is most perplexing James, because we 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.720 hear from the Prime Minister constantly Richard Miles two, that 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:13.160 we are in this very challenging strategic environment. But the investment, 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.840 and again it's not just the size of the investment, 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.280 but it's where the money is going towards. It just 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.280 doesn't match their own ratory. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.000 Look, I think the Prime Minister deserves a fair bit 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:24.679 to blame here, but I also think we need to 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.160 blame large parts of the Defense Department who are far 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.080 too top heavy, have spent a lot of money on 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:35.200 bureaucracy and outsourcing. And let's face it, when we look 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:39.119 at frigates, when we look at other frontline military programs, 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.600 the budget's been blown out. We always get promised these 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.280 projects ten to fifteen years down the track, and we 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:45.960 sort of forget about them and wonder if they ever 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.240 get delivered. There's been a lot of experts that say 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.360 we need to parry there and start looking at some 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.760 available equipment right now. But the other issue we've got 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.800 is that the military's five thousand soldiers short of its 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.600 operational capacity. People don't want to sign up. I think 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.320 that's a combination of young people today. I mean, you 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.520 just talked about Ukraine. When the war broke out, everyone 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:07.760 that was of age was sent to the front line, 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.360 that was fit and ready to fight. But the other issues, 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.800 obviously how we've treated our soldiers when they've come home, 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:19.439 with the Breton Report and smearing soldiers unfairly with allegations 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:20.199 of war crimes. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.960 We've spoken about this a lot, absolutely, and adds to 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:24.800 the treatment of the likes of Heston Russell. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:25.520 Yeah, totally. 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.880 And look, I think to be honest, so I still 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.440 think to this day Ben Robert Smith is part of 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.040 that as well. If war is breaking out, I would 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.880 be happy to hide behind someone like Ben Robert Smith. 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.320 And I know that's an unpopular take, but I think 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.360 anyone that is brave enough to go to the other 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.640 side of the world to fight an enemy that does 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.720 not play by the rules and can do that on 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.800 six tours, I have some form of admiration for and 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:48.680 I will to this day. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:50.080 The other issue is, and we. 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.160 Have a lot to be grateful for our soldiers, absolutely, 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.679 and then you know thousands have sadly taken their own 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.800 lives when they've come home because they've been mistreated by 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.280 this disgraceful But also a senior member of the Air 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.960 Force told me recently that the next wave of soldiers 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.920 and military personnel, they need the maths, wiz whizzes, people 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.320 that are smart at physics, that can fly these drones 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.160 and fight from miles away from the actual war zone. 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.320 So we need to parry there very quickly because, as 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:19.680 you say, the rest of the world is doing this exactly. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.600 And the reason I spoke about that comment from the 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.120 UK expert is, you know, the reality is we do 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:27.880 have to be able to stand in our own two 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.240 feet to a certain extent, we can't just rely on 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.199 the fact that the United States will always be that 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:34.880 we hope they will. 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.360 In ninety five percent they will, but we've got a 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:38.360 contribute as well. 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.480 Now, the Citney Morning Herald had this report today where 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:46.440 they described the current parliamentary sitting calendar as lazy. The 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.680 Parliament will sit for fewer days this year than any 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.440 other in the past two decades. And yeah we've got 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:57.040 the Prime Minister again talking about his wedding, So his 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.760 parning his wedding today, but he can't seem to plan 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:01.959 in parliamentary sitting days now. 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:03.440 Independent Senator David. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.680 Pocock slammed the fact Parliament won't even sit now until 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:07.280 late July. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.640 I think Australians want us to be focusing on the 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.680 big issues and there's more that we can and should 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.800 be doing as a parliament when it comes to things 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.640 like housing, costs of living, and none of that's going 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:20.360 to happen until the. 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:20.920 End of July. 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.480 The Prime Minister clearly has other things on his mind. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.160 The big question I've saved to a last now that 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.200 the election's out of the way, Have you and Jody 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:31.080 said a wedding date. 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.000 No, we haven't, Mark. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.320 We have now had an opportunity to discuss and we 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.680 have a few options between now and the end of 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:40.040 the year. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.840 I mean, Bromwin, you know the Australian people have just 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.839 dealt with months of campaigning. Can't we expect our politicians 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.040 to get back to work instead of this lazy calendar. 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.440 Yes, but there are perhaps three points to make. One, 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.840 he certainly doesn't want to deal with the old Senate. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.880 He wants him to deal with the new Senate. Secondly, 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:06.120 he wants to bask I think in the life where 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:10.520 he can flit around and visit different places to say, look, 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.720 I'm doing a great job here for you and you. 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.280 And certainly, of course there's the winning, which will no 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.160 doubt be part of his spectacular programming for all of 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:22.400 us to enjoy it one way or another. So but 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.120 there's a bright side, what is it left? Sitting? Those 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:30.600 means less bad legislation, yes, and that could be a plus. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.320 And of course it also means there's a lot of 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:34.400 committee work that will go on. 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.400 I'm saying not that I'm not that fuss fight. 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.800 I think they're that far in front labor at the 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.160 moment that like, I mean, what what sort of scrupy 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:41.920 to the opposition. 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.760 It's about them going to work. I mean the Herald 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.480 did the calculations. It's it's like they each earned five 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:50.160 five hundred dollars a day. 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.959 I mean, I get that, but I also think that 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.760 any good MP would need to be in their electoral 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.440 office and serving their own community a fair bit of 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.640 time as well. I think it's way too short and 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:02.800 not sitting into Maybe you. 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.319 Should do a daily telling investigation where you turn up 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:09.160 to the labor and piece of us they are. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.840 I can tell you from personal experience the work you 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.520 do in the electorate that takes a lot of time, 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:16.520 and you're. 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.680 In that office not just nine to five, but longer house. 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.280 I spoke last night at length about the attack in 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.840 Colorado when there was just a peaceful rally in. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:28.000 Support of the hostages. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:32.080 Well, now it's been confirmed that Mohammed Solomon is in 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:37.320 America illegally from Egypt. His visa from the Biden administration 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:41.440 had expired. I mean, James, this highlights the dangers of 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.000 a loose border system where you have someone who didn't 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.520 have proper paperwork to be in the country. 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.880 And Sharry, America is dealing with a fair hangover from 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.480 what was shocking border control from Joe Biden and the 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.840 Democrats from every angle, and I think it was the 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.880 number one reason that Donald Trump won back office sitting 0:14:59.880 --> 0:15:01.720 on obviously fought hard on that. But we are seeing 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.240 this not just in America. We're seeing this in parts 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.160 of Europe, and we're sadly in Australia. I mean, this 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:11.560 has been the biggest argument against large scale immigration is 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.800 the impact that it has on the fabric of society. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:15.440 We have a beautiful. 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.760 Country, but if people are escaping the horrors of other 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:19.400 parts in the world, they need to be leaving those 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.080 things at the door. And sadly that doesn't always happen. 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.200 Bro When do you think that perhaps hasn't been enough 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.440 focus on the values. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.119 It's not so much where people. 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.080 Come from, but whether they hold our democratic values. 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.560 Yes, I think that's vicy important and should be considered 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.560 when we think about who can come into the country. 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.160 But more importantly what's happening is is that this anti 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:46.640 semitism is becoming acceptable to a degree. It is being 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:52.320 tolerated in societies in America here where universities seem to 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.080 be tolerating it. Now, once you've got that occurring, you 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.720 get these outbreaks of these sorts of people who came 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:02.160 out it with this absolute violence because they think there's 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.160 some backing for me and the cause that he says 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:13.800 he's supporting. Always remember that NASA invited XSS people from Germany, 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.080 Nazi Germany after the war to come to Cairo to 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.720 help him fight against the establishment of the Jewish state. 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:24.080 So it's been a long long time festering and it 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:28.680 has to be strongly refuted at every single time you 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.480 can think about it and remember that when you look 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:35.560 at the universities that allow these things to occur, remember 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.120 that one of the first things when Hitler won office 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.200 in nineteen thirty three was to send his instrument straight 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.520 to the universities to say this is the policy, no 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:49.000 Jewish professors or lecturers allowed, and get rid of the. 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:52.160 Student brainwashing of the young. Absolutely. I think there's also 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:53.240 as I spoke. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.720 About last night, and I'm going to all of it again, 0:16:55.800 --> 0:17:00.160 but serious concerns now about how this free Palestine move 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:05.640 meant is excusing and justifying violence and murder against Jews, 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.919 and it's just got to stop now. The Prime Minister 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.720 has suggested he's open to working with a coalition to 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.000 pass Labour's super tax. 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:19.840 Have a look if the signal from the coalition is 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.800 across the board. I'm not talking specifically here that they 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:28.480 will be more constructive and not just be part of 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:32.120 a coalition with the Greens Party, then that would be. 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:36.840 Welcome and it comes after Deputy Liberal Leader Ted O'Brien 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.800 had this to say on My show last night. Wouldn't 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:44.480 the coalition supporting the supertax indicate that the coalition does 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.919 support higher taxes and wasn't this one of the issues 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.320 that the coalition had during the election campaign. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:57.200 Well, look, if Labor did walk away from the components 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.919 of its current measure, Shari, it would depend on what 0:17:59.920 --> 0:18:01.400 they put on the table for discussion. 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.040 So James, I mean clearly the coalition position is that 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:11.560 the unrealized capital gains, the tax on unrealized capital gains 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.960 is the most egregious. But there would be a lot 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.399 of pushback from coalition support. Is if they do end 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.480 up supporting the super attacks. 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.600 Well, I would say it's against liberal values to be 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.800 supporting anything close to this and for someone to work 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.959 their entire life and decide, you know, if they're halfway 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.320 through their working life to have decided to invest heavily 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.919 in super like my mum and dad did. All their 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.879 money is in superannuation to allow any changes to that, 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.879 like we all know, it's the beginning of what could 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.720 be two point five million dollars or two million dollars 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:44.720 or then suddenly it's on, you know, the next step. 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.680 And so my take on last night is I think 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.040 Ted O'Brien's got some work to do in his new role, 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.520 and I think he was a pretty effective Energy Minister. 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.480 But in regards to that Treasury step up, they've got 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.720 to get this right. And I don't think and I'm 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.119 sure I hope Browin would agree. I don't think the 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.359 Liberal Party should be going anywhere near supporting them. 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:03.480 Well, what do you think from it? 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.440 I agree with you, James. I mean the fundamental error 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.440 that was made right at the beginning of the campaign 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.360 is when the Liberal Party said that they were going 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:15.200 to oppose the tax cuts the coalition, and the Liberal 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.200 Party in particular is always the party of lower taxes, 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.600 So this is going that same route in my view, 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:25.640 and I don't think they should. I've said that, yes, 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:30.400 split the discussion on the proposal by the mister Chalmers 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:35.399 into the tax on the over three million dollar balances, 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:41.800 and the pernicious proposal took place a tax on realized 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.240 capital gains but that does not mean you support one 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.399 if you eliminate the other. The important thing here is, 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.040 and I went around campaigning on this issue during the 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.920 campaign when I was invited to go and do so, 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:57.000 and I was absolutely livid that it wasn't front and 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.919 center of the whole campaign because it was. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:00.800 That's exactly the. 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.440 Same sort of measure that was put up in twenty 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:09.760 nineteen when we argued against the pernicious attitude on frankin 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:10.520 credits and so on. 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:12.520 Negative hearing that, well, a negative. 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:15.480 Here just the very principle of taxing unrealized capita. 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:17.200 It is off the page. 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.600 Yah, just out of time, and I just quickly want 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:24.200 to get you, James about New Southewest Premier Chris Min's 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:28.760 warnings today about the tobacco tax and he's concerned that 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:30.320 it's boosting the black market. 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.120 Yeah. Well, if the Treasury was fired income about money 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.080 and they want to start looking at other avenues like superannuation, 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:38.760 they need to look at the tobacco excise. In twenty nineteen, 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.200 twenty twenty, it was worth sixteen billion. 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.320 Dollars, a record. They have now put it up. 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.840 Incrementally every year since they're this year it will be 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.119 worth seven billion dollars, so half of what it was 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.240 in twenty nineteen twenty twenty. In the last five years, 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:53.600 the number of tobacconists in New South Wales has grown 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:57.960 by five thousand from fifteen thousand to twenty thousand. We 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.800 discovered today and Chris Mins is electric of Cogra, there 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:04.040 are six tobacconists within four hundred meters of the front door. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:09.720 In Alberanese's electorate. There are three hundred tobacconists orree hundred 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:13.800 registered businesses that can sell tobacco. There's been a shocking 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.560 compliance issue, but we need a full scale and I 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.000 don't want to blame police, but we need police involved 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.679 here door to door. And also the government needs to 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.399 lower the excise because we're missing out on this money 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:25.840 by pricing people out of the market. 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.520 All right, James Willis, b'm a bishop. Great to see, 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:29.320 Thank you, thank you. 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:32.919 Coming up after the break, the latest details in the 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:34.919 case that's captivated. 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.160 Our nation, the death Cap Mushroom trial. 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:41.160 What exactly has Aaron Patterson admitted in the witness box 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:50.359 today we'll get the details with Allie Dudley next. Well, 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.560 let's turn to the court case that's taken the nation 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:56.840 by storm. Accused killer Aaron Patterson returned to the witness 0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:59.800 box today to give evidence. She's of course charged with 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:03.119 the murder of her parents in law, Don and Gail Patterson, 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:06.920 and Gail's sister Heather Wilkinson. She's also charged with the 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:12.320 attempted murder of Heather's husband, Ian Wilkinson, who miraculously survived. 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:15.119 With the attention on this case, it was a packed 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:21.040 courtroom today, even cues outside onlookers desperate to secure a seat, 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.760 and the evidence was gripping. The Australian's I Legal Affairs 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.760 correspondent Ellie Dudley was there and she joins me now 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:31.040 from molwell In Regional Victoria. Ellie, great to see you. 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.720