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Speaker 1: I get a groo because it's fatty Harps, it's Craig Anthey, Harper,

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Speaker 1: it's the you project. It's oh bloody hell, I'm excited

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Speaker 1: about today. Every now and then I just wheel out

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Speaker 1: an old friend from my historical kind of cupboard. I

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Speaker 1: off both the cupboard and the person. And I've dusted

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Speaker 1: the cobwebs off. Tammy van Wissa, Who we go? Oh

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Speaker 1: my god? So far back?

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Speaker 2: Hi dam Hello, Craig. It's so good to see you.

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Speaker 2: We did go really really far back. In fact, I

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Speaker 2: don't even know whether we should mention how far back.

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Speaker 2: It's just the years of ticking on, aren't they.

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Speaker 1: When did we meet? What do you reckon? What year

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Speaker 1: was that? Was it? Maybe early like ninety ninety ninety?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say early nineties, I reckon

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Speaker 2: that'd be pretty close to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, back in the day, I was trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out this thing, and the world was trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out this thing called personal training, and people like, well,

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Speaker 1: that's not a thing, Harps, that's not a thing. It's

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Speaker 1: never going to take off its bullshit. It's not an industry.

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Speaker 1: It's not a profession. There's no course, there's no accreditation,

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Speaker 1: there's no insurance. And I'm like, I think it's going

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Speaker 1: to work. And you were an early adopter of it

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Speaker 1: wasn't so much it was kind of pet slash coaching,

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Speaker 1: slash talking bullshit with me for an hour. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: there was a long time ago.

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Speaker 2: Right, It was a long time ago, but it was

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Speaker 2: fantastic for me. It was like a breath of fresh

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Speaker 2: air because as a pool summer, you know, with your

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Speaker 2: you work hard doing that, but it's good to diversify.

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Speaker 2: And it was so good to actually, you know, still

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Speaker 2: be building muscle and working on different things, helping with

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Speaker 2: do in the pool. So and the chatter, the chat

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Speaker 2: was just incredible. So you've got the mental health, the

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Speaker 2: physical health, you have. It kicked every box.

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Speaker 1: Well, do you know what was funny is like, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I mean when I met you, I hadn't even gone

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Speaker 1: I've been working in gyms my whole adult life, and

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Speaker 1: I owned a gym and all of that, but I didn't.

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Speaker 1: You know, I look back and I think not that

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Speaker 1: I was the high watermark or harp As was the

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Speaker 1: high watermark. But we did okay, right, and in a

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Speaker 1: time when people didn't even understand what the fuck a

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Speaker 1: personal training studio was. We can't say that on s

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Speaker 1: and can we tam We can't say fuck no. We

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Speaker 1: used to do a bit of radio together everyone. And

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Speaker 1: but I realize now like I was kind of lucky

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Speaker 1: before because you and I both of our default setting

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Speaker 1: largely not because the exercise programming was mind blowing, although

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Speaker 2: And this isn't that essentially what life's all about, though,

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Speaker 2: Like in everything that we do, we try and make

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Speaker 2: things done. But it's just the you know, you enjoy it,

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Speaker 2: simmers doing you know, strength training programs at that time,

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Speaker 2: so I guess, you know, you got to push the envelope,

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Speaker 2: don't you know. It's good to have new experiences and

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Speaker 1: Were good times. And also, I mean, you were a

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Speaker 2: No, Look, the only thing we had from memory was

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Speaker 1: Would you my audience who don't know who you are?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I going right back to the very beginning.

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Speaker 2: And I so wish I'd kept this award. But this

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Speaker 1: I come from the same area. You're five years younger.

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Speaker 2: my parents put me into swimming, and I didn't want

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Speaker 2: now you know, there's a lot more there's a lot

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00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 2: more support, there's a lot more work done on outside

432
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: of the pool on what do you want to do

433
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 2: as a career and how you can further, you know,

434
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 2: advance yourself and use all the skills that you got

435
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: from you know, working hard and knowing the value of

436
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 2: hard work and sitting in discomfort and taking that into

437
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 2: a work situation outside of the pool. So I really

438
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 2: do think in those situations it's been fascinating and really

439
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 2: really good. And the sports science. Of course, one of

440
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: the people that fascinates me is Cam McAvoy at the

441
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 2: moment because he's still pioneering right now. He's just made

442
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 2: to come back and you know, his land based program

443
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: is so different. He's not doing massive swimming. I think

444
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 2: he swims three times a week and he's just made

445
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 2: to come back and won of the world championships and

446
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 2: he's obviously qualified for this round team. So it is

447
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: I love. I love seeing how people go about things

448
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: in different ways and sitting new benchmarks. It's just great.

449
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: How old is he?

450
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, good question, I'd say. I'd say be in

451
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: his late twenties.

452
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 1: Get a guess what about I'm just looking at I

453
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 1: follow this guy on Insta? Do you have Insta? Grandma?

454
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: Are you on it? Are you on the Instagram? Grandma.

455
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I've had I've had to go into that

456
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 2: side of things. It's not my forte but I'm learning.

457
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 1: Now. Have you seen that. I'm sure you've seen Ross.

458
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 2: Edgeley Yes, rosientially, yes, absolutely, yes, Hey everyone.

459
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: If you want to see a fucking freak, so just

460
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: Ross r O W S E D G L E

461
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 1: Y on Instagram. He is like he's his body.

462
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: I mean he's short and he's chunky, and yes, I

463
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,239
Speaker 3: mean he looks like at times if you didn't know,

464
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: like depending on what side cycle or phase cycle there's

465
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: a bad word, but phase of his trained cycle maybe.

466
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: But he can look like a bodybuilder, like I've never

467
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: seen a swimmer so jacked, Like swimmers are generally in

468
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: really good shape, but not too many of them. I

469
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: mean he's reprinters.

470
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, he's typical for sprinting, but not yet not

471
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: to be ripped like you were saying, like he does.

472
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: And that's the contradiction, is he's ripped off his head

473
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: and he's an endurance swimmer.

474
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, although he did change his body composition

475
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: before he did his swim round Great Britain, so he does.

476
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: I think he's got a sports psychology background as well

477
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: and physiology, so he's very attuned to trying new things

478
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: as well. So I think he did go on about

479
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: a different diet when he was doing his longestwim. So

480
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: when he prepares, he kind of changes things around so

481
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: that he knows he's going to need extra body fat,

482
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: you know, to cope with certain conditions and for flotation.

483
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: And yes, he is working against it though he's not

484
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 2: your typical it's not your typical long distance summar sort

485
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: of makeup.

486
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: Basis completely fucking mad, but also he's fucking mad but awesome.

487
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: It's a nice combo. Yeah, I remember him. He was

488
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: on I think he was recently on. I didn't watch it,

489
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: but everyone's like, hey, Craig, did you watch did you

490
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 1: watch a Thing with Chris Hemsworth which was about living longer?

491
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: And did you watch that? Tim? Yeah?

492
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: I loved it. It was a great series, fantastic. Yeah,

493
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: so he was on that, right, Yes he was, he was,

494
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 2: and he helped Chris because Chris went I'm trying. I

495
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: think where they went they went somewhere very cold where

496
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 2: there was you know, freezing water, and he trained Chris

497
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 2: to swim in the cold. Basically just you know, like

498
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: the whim Hoff method, you know, trying to control your breathing.

499
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 2: And he made him, you know, and we didn't make him,

500
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: but Chris Hamsworth swim out to a boy and back

501
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 2: again and it was very cold. Was it was like,

502
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: you know, two degrees one degree is sort.

503
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: Of type things.

504
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: So and he did it. Yeah, and it was really

505
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: fascinating to watch. And he's a great character. Ross is

506
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: a great character. So I've got his book Resilience as well,

507
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: which I read and that was that's fantastic.

508
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: You know what. Also digressing momentarily, I like Chris Emsworth

509
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: because yeah, he's a good look and he's fucking six

510
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: foot fifteen and he's rich, he's a Hollywood But he

511
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: has a crack, doesn't he He does like he really

512
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: has for a guy who he doesn't need too. He's

513
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: fucking rich and famous, he doesn't need to do all

514
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: that horrible shit, but he dives in that makes me

515
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: respect him. What Like, of course he's an awesome actor

516
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: and all that he's famous, good, you know, that's cool.

517
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: But the shit that I love is that he really

518
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: seems to be any way down to earth and has

519
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: a real crack at some horrible shit.

520
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, that series is fabulous. I can't think of

521
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: the name of it, but I highly recommend it because

522
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: there's also a part where he tries out like fasting,

523
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: and he fasts for like I think it's over twenty

524
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: I think it does a twenty four hour fast, maybe

525
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: even longer. And all his mates you know, said that

526
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: they join him, and of course he's absolutely dying because

527
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 2: he's exercising and doing things as well. And they go

528
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: away and get pizza and he can smell it, and

529
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: it's just hilarious the reaction.

530
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: Like he really is.

531
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Speaker 2: He really is a great, down to earth guy. He

532
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: seems like the kind of guy that you know you'd

533
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: be mates with. He's really down to earth and humbled.

534
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: I think so it was it was called Limitless, so

535
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: Limitless I'm producing and hosting now all at the same time.

536
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: It's called Multi Talented as usual.

537
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: Well, I think you can watch it also on Disney,

538
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: so if you have Disney, everybody you can. And I'm

539
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: sure a lot of people speaking of being jacked and

540
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: ripped and do you know what, this could literally be

541
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: a fucking three hour podcast. I've just looked down at

542
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: half an hour in I haven't even got through the intro.

543
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about I've always wondered about.

544
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: And I know this is not an exact science, but

545
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, Ross Edgeley is an anomaly because he does

546
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: ultra endurance and he's ripped, which means he's less buoyant

547
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: because he's got less fat, which means correct me if

548
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: I fuck any of this up, but he needs to

549
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: expend more energy energy to stay high in the water

550
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: because muscles, muscle basically sinks. He's like a fucking swimming rock. Yeah. Yeah,

551
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: he's more dense. What about how did you like when

552
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: you did you know the English channel multiple times you

553
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: did lock Nest You did? I think you did Locknest

554
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: in New Yeah?

555
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah?

556
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: And what was that other one where you broke the

557
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: New York City to Sandy Hook, which was thirty five miles.

558
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

559
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: Do you when you're going in to do these ultra

560
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: long events, even the Murray River, like, do you do

561
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: you have to say, well, my body fat needs to

562
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: be twenty five percent before or is it not done

563
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: like that? How does it work?

564
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 2: Well? Again, we were just winging it, so you know,

565
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: there was no one You know, look, I did have

566
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: at my squad. I had a lovely girl by the

567
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 2: name of Julie Toldberg, who was into sports science, and

568
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 2: she would do my did she get the calipers out

569
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: and do my body fat and we did. We were

570
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: trying to increase it. I didn't have I worked out targets.

571
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: I just plucked targets from the air, basically because we

572
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: weren't sure. I mean, look the really I kind of

573
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: didn't really take putting on weight too seriously at the beginning,

574
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: but I went over to the English Channel with my

575
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: brother in ninety three, my brother John and I. I

576
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: was serious about putting on weight. So I put on

577
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: ten kilos because everybody that is one swim where there's

578
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: quite a bit of benchmarking. You know, lots of people

579
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: as from the channel, so there's a lot of information,

580
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: so we knew we'd have to put on weight. My

581
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 2: brother thought it would be fun. His perspective was to

582
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: be the skinniest and the fastest man across the channel,

583
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: and he was quite muscular. But it didn't work out

584
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: that way. He got hypothermia four kilometers away from the

585
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: coast of France. Actually disappeared under the boat and Dawn

586
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: Fraser has been a mentor and coach for us for

587
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: a long time, very huge support. And she was actually

588
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,239
Speaker 2: on my brother's boat and jumped in and pulled him

589
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: back on board the boat, gave him mouth's mouth resuscitation. Wow,

590
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: she broke I think she broke three ribs in the

591
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: process of dragging him back on board the boat.

592
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: So scary know that I did not know that.

593
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: And Dawn wouldn't have been twenty five years old either

594
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: at the time. She would have been what fifty on

595
00:29:59,040 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: at the time.

596
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say she would have been about fifty, so,

597
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: but she's just amazing she and it happened so quickly,

598
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: Like I remember she because I had my own boats,

599
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: I was assuming separate to John, and we went close

600
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: close to each other in terms of physical distance. But

601
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: she apparently had spoken to him not very long before

602
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: and said to him, how are you going? Because she

603
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: was getting a bit worried, And I'd actually flued her

604
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: in and said, listen, keep an eye on John because

605
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: I'm worried about him with the cold. And so she'd

606
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: spoken to him, said you know you're feeling ok, and

607
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: he's gone, yeah, yeah, fine, And then like about five

608
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: minutes later, hyperthermi you're set in. So it kind of

609
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: really was a big shock and a wake up call

610
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 2: to you know, the reality of how scary hypothermia is.

611
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: And so from that point on we kind of worked

612
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: out some protocols as well. So now we know that

613
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: when you're in a hypothermic state, you can answer very

614
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: simple questions, but if you're asked to give your date

615
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: of birth or you know, answer anything in detail, then

616
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: your cognitive thinking is just not there. So that helped

617
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: us formulate plans. So that became the benchmark for the

618
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: rest of the swims I did that were in cold water,

619
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: and I knew that if I couldn't answer Dawn, she

620
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: pulled me out.

621
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: So that was good book.

622
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: So John look, I managed to get him back to

623
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: England and she went into hospital and he recovered and

624
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: he actually wanted to go back the following year and

625
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: try again, and this time he put on weight. In fact,

626
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: he put on twenty two kilos.

627
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: Ye talk about talk about one extreme to the other. Ye.

628
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: He he did just put a bed at McDonald's or something,

629
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: did he pretty much?

630
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: I think I think part of it. I think Dawn

631
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: might have said to him that drinking stout and lemonade

632
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: was a really good diet plan, so you know, hey,

633
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: so he was like the it was like the Michelin man,

634
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: you know, the blink, ready to simm across. So we

635
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: went back the following year in ninety four, and yeah,

636
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: we became first brother and sisters in the channel together.

637
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 2: So he made it cost no worries at all, So

638
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: huge leaning experience. And yeah, so hypothemia definitely. And the floatation,

639
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: like the body fat just makes you like sit on

640
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: top of the water. It's such a big difference, Like honestly,

641
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: you literally pop onto all the water.

642
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean imagine with an extra twenty two

643
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 1: kilos and probably twenty of that was fat. I mean,

644
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: you're just gonna be like a little fucking cork with

645
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: arms and legs. Well you are, you are.

646
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: But there is obviously also a trade off, as you

647
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: would know, because you have to pull it. You still

648
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: have to you know, you just have to drag that

649
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: amount of weight through the water. So there's you know,

650
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: there's a compromise with everything. But again, you train for that,

651
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: you get used to that, so you've got to do

652
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: that to actually make it. So that's the price you pay.

653
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: What was the most you ever lost on a I

654
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: mean not say the Murray River because that was over months,

655
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: but on a like an event.

656
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: Okay, so I lost. I've lost ten kilos multiple times,

657
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: like summing the channel across Bass straight. I lost eleven

658
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: kilos in seventeen hour. I was in forty six minutes.

659
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah on, hang on, just just soak that up. Everyone

660
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: you lost? Did you say eleven or ten eleven? You

661
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: lost eleven kilos in seventeen hours? Yep.

662
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should start running programs. You're going to get

663
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: a million people signing up for that. Yeah, they'll get their.

664
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: Toads in the freezing order and go for half an

665
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: hour and decide that's it.

666
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: Though.

667
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: That's the problem, isn't it. Like you've got to be

668
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: willing to do the hard yards. I think that's you know.

669
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: So where did you swim that for that? Where did

670
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: you Did you tip off at Wilson's prom or.

671
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: No, I went the other way. I started in Tazi,

672
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: So I started at King Island and I swam to

673
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: Apollo Bay. That was I did a lot of research,

674
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: and so obviously logistically I was looking for a finishing

675
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: point near civilization as well. That if something happened, I

676
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: could be taken to a hospital. So that's why we

677
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: chose King Island again obviously with some resources there and

678
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: finished at a holiday.

679
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, like, honestly, it's it's not a

680
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: sport that you do because you want to be rich

681
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: and famous.

682
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: Right hardly.

683
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean if I was, if you were

684
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: my kid, I would have said, throw those fucking goggles away,

685
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: here's a tennis racket, get out there.

686
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: Exactly I do. And it was funny because I did

687
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: use Obviously, when you go out to sports nights and things,

688
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: you do get to mingle with other sports people and

689
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: you know, the tennis players would all be complaining about

690
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 2: the couple of hours training that they had to do

691
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 2: in the middle of the day. You know, I should

692
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: have been a tennis play the same amount of work

693
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: and training into tennis. If I had just any bit

694
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: of talent, surely I would have done better. But no, look,

695
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: there was you purely do it for the challenge. You

696
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: really do. It's a personal I guess experience. It's a

697
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: wanting to test yourself, push your limits to the ultimate extreme,

698
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: and it's addictive. I think once you start doing that

699
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: you want to do more of it, and with so

700
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 2: many endurance sports, I think you're right on the edge,

701
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: you know, you right on the edge of discovering what

702
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: your body can can't do and her mind.

703
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of the it's one of the one

704
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: of these sports in the world or events in the world,

705
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: sports in the world where the gap between the male

706
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: and the female bodies not that big, is it? Because

707
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: you know, and there have been I think more than

708
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: a few times where and we see that there's another

709
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: lady who's fucking amazing. What is her name to me?

710
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: But she's no not a swimmer, a runner. Now this this,

711
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: this incredible woman is winning ultra endurance runs, beating all

712
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: the chicks and the blokes. She's not winning the women's bit,

713
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: she's winning the overall events and blokes. A big I mean, yeah,

714
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: I think, I think, yeah, it's incredible.

715
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: Oh it is, it is? It really is.

716
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

717
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: There comes a point where there's the.

718
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: Courtney de Walter. I think that's her name something like that.

719
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: I was going to say that I have read about

720
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: her and I couldn't quite think of her name as well,

721
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 2: But you're right, Courtney to Walter, I saw something about

722
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: her the other week and just went wow, it is

723
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: and sitting benchmarks. The thing is is that once one

724
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 2: woman does it, then belief the power of her being

725
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: a role model and instilled in that belief insie. I

726
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: bet you'll start to see more women now coming through

727
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: because they just need that one person to do it.

728
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden it's like the floodgates

729
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 2: have been open, like hey, a woman can do it.

730
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: So it's really it's such a powerful thing when one

731
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: person does it.

732
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: Amazing. All right, let's talk about the Murray River, which

733
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: you did over three and a half months, two four

734
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight kilometers. Now for my international listeners,

735
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 1: of which we have quite a few. The Murray River

736
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: is a river that essentially separates to Australia in States,

737
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: which is Victoria and New South Wales, yes, go on.

738
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: And then flows into South Australia basically yeah, so yeah,

739
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: and it's a life club for Australia too because there's

740
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 2: a lot of our food is grown in the Murray

741
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: daleing basin region, so it's a very important river on

742
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: so many levels.

743
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: But tell me about that, tell me about prepping for that,

744
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: doing that did you swim one hour a day, ten

745
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: hours a day, did you have days? Like? What was

746
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: that about?

747
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: So again, I'd done a lot of planning. I'd actually,

748
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: you know, traveled a lot of the river prior to

749
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: the swim because the logistical side of things was really

750
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: challenging because I had to have obviously a crew with me.

751
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: I had to have a support crew in the water. Yeah,

752
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: I had to have a support crew on land as well,

753
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, you know, when

754
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: you finish something, you need a camp to go to,

755
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: you need food, you need all the resources to keep

756
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 2: you going. So and then you know, we had caravans,

757
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: two caravans basically traveling the first part because some parts

758
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: you're remote, other times you're in caravan parks. But again,

759
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: it's all difficult to plan because everybody when you book

760
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 2: into a caravan park or accommodation along the way, what

761
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: data you riving? Well, I don't know, I don't know.

762
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: Like I had a rough plan. I broke the river

763
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: into four pieces, so you know, I set sections, segmented

764
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: the river and had goals in my mind of where

765
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 2: I wanted to be and what I wanted to swim

766
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: each day. But like life, things don't work to plan,

767
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: and some days you're tired. Some days you run into

768
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: a snake, some days you run into a log. You know,

769
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: there are things that happen. The water is freezing, so

770
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: you don't get as far as you thought you would

771
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 2: you're tired. So for me, I was trying to break

772
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: a record that was set by a gentleman by the

773
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 2: name of Graham Middleton, and he was actually the first

774
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: person to the length of the Murray and so he

775
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: had set the benchmark at one hundred and thirty eight days.

776
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 2: That was the goal to try and break his records.

777
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: I kind of had planned my swim to try and

778
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: you know, just get in sneak in before that. So

779
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: you know, the problem that I found was I actually

780
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: announced really what my goals were, so a lot of

781
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: the media knew I was aiming to be like say,

782
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 2: let's say at one of the towns, at a Chuka

783
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: buy a certain period of time. So then when I

784
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: didn't get there by those times, of course the media

785
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: be negative like, oh, she's behind her goal, she's not

786
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: going to make it lower. So again, you know, if

787
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: I go back and do my time again, I'd approached

788
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: it in a different way. But it was just it

789
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: literally became about doing it day by day. That's what

790
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: I focused on. Had to really just concentrate on one

791
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: day at a time, and I had a plan to

792
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 2: swim sort of between six and eight hours a day.

793
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: That was the goal. And sometimes i'd break that up

794
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: and do three or four hours in the morning, you know,

795
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 2: have lunch, and then go back in and do another

796
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: sort of three hours in the late afternoon. But again

797
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 2: that all changed with the conditions because when I started

798
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: it was early November. I was simming in the snow

799
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: melt coming down from it Cosiasco, so it was like

800
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: a crisp sort of seven degrees in the water.

801
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

802
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: And then gradually as I headed towards South Australia, which

803
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: was about two thousand kilometers. By the time I got

804
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: to South Australia, we had a hotter summer on record

805
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: and it was fifty six degrees in the shade, so

806
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: like I couldn't swim in the heat of the day

807
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: because it just get burnt to a crisp. I mean,

808
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 2: the Murray River was twenty nine degrees.

809
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: It was that hot, fifty six degrees.

810
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: Yes, in the shade. When we went through border clips

811
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: like it was just it was unbelievable, off the charts,

812
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: like seriously, it was incredible. And that was, like I said,

813
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: when we went through, they had the thermometer outside, so

814
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: that's how we knew what temperature it was.

815
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: Now I'm just converting that so to our international listeners,

816
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: fifty six degrees celsius. Fucking hell, it's like one hundred

817
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: and thirty three degrees.

818
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. It was insane.

819
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: How did you not melt well?

820
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: So then we had to come up with a different plan.

821
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 2: So you have to be, you know, willing to change

822
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 2: your plans, and so we diverse five. We thought, okay,

823
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: the best way to approach this was to start really

824
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 2: early in the morning, so first light, as soon as

825
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: the sunrise came up and it was safe for me

826
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: to swim, they could see me in the water I

827
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: was in, and I'd just do as much as I could, say,

828
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: you know, I might start at five thirty sort of thing,

829
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: and swim till eight thirty nine o'clock, and then we'd

830
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: and then we'd rest through the heat of the day

831
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: and then i'd go back in again, like you know,

832
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: six o'clock sort of thing and swim till nine o'clock,

833
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: so we had to just make use of whatever daylight

834
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: hours we could at the beginning and end of the day. Yeah,

835
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: to try and make progress and just thinking outside the box.

836
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,479
Speaker 2: I didn't plan on that, Like, I didn't expect it.

837
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: So I know there weren't I know there's lots of planning,

838
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: but the science back then is not the science now.

839
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: But did you have did you have a nutritionness? Did

840
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: you have any idea of calories in and out and

841
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: like was your goal to maintain weight and that levels

842
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: through the swim or it wasn't in depth.

843
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it wasn't very in depth. I didn't have

844
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: a nutritionness. I didn't have really anybody like you advising me. Again,

845
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: it was all fled by the seat of your pads.

846
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: I had a set of scales, you know, which I

847
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: stood on every now and then because we were camping,

848
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: so like, you know, until we got to halfway. Then

849
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: we were on a house boat and that was really awesome.

850
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: But you know, you can be on the side of

851
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: a riverbed, you know, so you kind of it's pretty basic.

852
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: It's pretty basic. So you're just trying to eat enough

853
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: to keep your weight up and just you know, have

854
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: the energy to keep going.

855
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: Really you must have had I mean like still logistically

856
00:42:54,400 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: and practically you must have had quite a few. But

857
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, you think about the caravans, think about who's

858
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: going to beare food, who's going to give you a rub,

859
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: who's got you know, like you must have had some

860
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: kind of medical contingency plan. There must have been a

861
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: few people involved. Yes, yes, there was a lot of people.

862
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: I had a support crew of twelve to fifteen people

863
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: traveling with me along the way.

864
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

865
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: So with roles, you know, like my mum did a

866
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: lot of the cookies, so when I said didn't have

867
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: a nutritions, I had my mum there, so she knew

868
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 2: what I liked and didn't like and was really good.

869
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: So and you know a lot of a lot of

870
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 2: really great friends obviously that worked with me before. So yeah,

871
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: so for me, the resources that I tapped into was

872
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: the Royal Life Saving Society. So because I've done so

873
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 2: much life saving, lots of friends. So the boating squad,

874
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: you know, they had their IRBs and they're all trained obviously,

875
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: you know for rescue situations and for medical situations. We

876
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: had back in the tape which I with with the

877
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: SAT phone, which was like this huge clunky thing and

878
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: a suitcase because you know, we had we had SEAMA

879
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: phones at the time because you didn't have coverage everywhere.

880
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 1: So we had to I don't know what that means.

881
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: What is c DMA.

882
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: Country something something. I don't know. They were the ones

883
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: that you used in the in the country areas. So

884
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: I'm showing my dinosaur age. That's all right, But basically

885
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: the mobile phones didn't didn't have great service, so it

886
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: was really difficult, and of course if something happened, like

887
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: you know, again, tiger and brown snakes quite prevalent in

888
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: the river. Two are the most venomous.

889
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: In the river.

890
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: In the river, in the road, they swim.

891
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: They swim fucking the hell.

892
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: I know.

893
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: I know that's brightening, that's not that's more than frightening.

894
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: So the brown snakes and tiger snakes, as you said,

895
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: both venomous and both like kind of.

896
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: Deadly, very deadly, like in the top I think they're

897
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: both in the top ten dead list in the world.

898
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: Like that.

899
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: You know, they buy you, you've got to get the

900
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: anti vierneine.

901
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: So what was the the contingency with that did you

902
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: did you like, what do you do if you see

903
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: a snake?

904
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: So so again there was a bit of learning, because

905
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: you know, I'd spoken to a lot of local people

906
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: and tried to get some advice on what to do.

907
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: And of course, not a lot of people get in

908
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: the water. Some people say, just you know, just let

909
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: them cross and stay out of their way and they'll

910
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: go and do what they want to do, which is

911
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 2: fair enough, but when you're in a situation. So when

912
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: I started my swim, I actually had to delay the

913
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: start because the river had been in drought for five

914
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: years and I actually thought that I might be walking.

915
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: Parts of it.

916
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: There was barely any water. But a couple of weeks

917
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: before I was due to start, we had a tremendous

918
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: downpour and the river was in flood. It was out

919
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: of the banks. It was too dangerous. The sees advised

920
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 2: me that this emergency Services advised me not to start

921
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: my swim because it was too dangerous. So once the

922
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: river subsided and it went back into its banks, I

923
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: started my swim, but it was flowing. It was flowing

924
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: at five kilometers an hour, so I swim sort of

925
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: roughly four to five as well. I was traveling like

926
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: not in ten k's an hour.

927
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: Down this river like wow wow.

928
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: Scary on a number of levels because there's a lot

929
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: of trees that have fallen into the river banks. So

930
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: you know, one of the scary things is getting caught

931
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: on snags and branches because obviously the clarity of it

932
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 2: is not great. It's better at the top end, but

933
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: it you know, just integrates as you head into South Australia.

934
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 2: It's a it's a muddy river essentially, so you can't

935
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: see your hand underneath you. So but at the beginning,

936
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: you know, Actually I think it was the second or

937
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: the third day, I actually got trapped on a submerged

938
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: branch and it caught me. I got snagged on it.

939
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: I was wearing a wet suit and I got snagged

940
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: on it and it ripped to my wet suit. And

941
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: the worst thing is that I had like a little

942
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 2: inflatable boat beside me and IRB we call them, and

943
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: it actually I was feeding. I was, you know, having

944
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: my sustenance in the water as you do, and as

945
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: I'm floating down, I got caught on this snag and

946
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: then the boat came on top of me. Literally got

947
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: pushed down. Oh my god, it happened so quickly, and

948
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: I actually thought it was all over because I literally

949
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: went under and the boat reversed and they managed to

950
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: pull me off the branch. But I had brize back.

951
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: I was I was the mess because it was like

952
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: day two, day two, and then said a snake yet,

953
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: But you know that was that was a good introduction

954
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: of what can happen. So you're in this very volatile

955
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 2: environment and you just have to be so aware and prepared.

956
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: So lucky I had a great crew, as I said,

957
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: you know, Royal Life Saving crew. They were on top

958
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: of it really fast, and you know, managed to get

959
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: me out of the river. But you know, things happened.

960
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, scary situations. But I don't even remember the

961
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: original question you asked me.

962
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: Now that's right, No, no, no, okay, So three and

963
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: a half months out of your life. So did you

964
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: beat the record? I'm thinking, yeah, you did the beat

965
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: the record, right, I did?

966
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: I broke it by thirty five days.

967
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's amazing. Yeah, And I know, I mean,

968
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm usually you don't do it for the money, or

969
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: you didn't do it for the money, But did that

970
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: get any sponsors, Did that get any did you get

971
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: any dough through that or did you just kind of

972
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: break even or or worse?

973
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: No, I did manage to break even, which was a

974
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: success because most of the swims didn't even get enough

975
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 2: to cover you know, the actual basic cost of it all.

976
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: And that's with everybody volunteering their time, so you know,

977
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: it's all run on a shoe string. So basically, you know,

978
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: like I had people like Jaco donated the caravans to

979
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: use for the swim, like miss donated a couple of

980
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: cars sort of thing, you know. So with all of that,

981
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: I broke even at the end and no real huge,

982
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: you know, life changing sponsorships at the end of it.

983
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: But I guess really was that the speaking side that

984
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: I went into. You know, people wanted me to come

985
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: and speak, so that sort of, I guess opened up

986
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 2: opened up an avenue to earn revenue, and that's where

987
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: I moved into more than you know as a result

988
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: of them, which again I didn't anticipate or really see coming,

989
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: but it's something I really enjoy and still do today.

990
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's family lovely.

991
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: Am I imagining this or did you and I once

992
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: do what's called a speaker's showcase for Saxton's speakers about

993
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: twenty five years ago.

994
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: No, I'm pretty sure we did. I'm pretty sure we did.

995
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: I think. So what this is everyone is So this

996
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: was this was fucking terrifying. Like my speaking career was

997
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: just kind of stepping off. I was already doing bits

998
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: and pieces of lecturing and little bits, and I'm going

999
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: to be honest, I wasn't fucking great. Some would argue

1000
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm still not, but but I remember I did actually

1001
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: okay on the day. I wasn't amazing, but I did okay.

1002
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you remember this bit, Tam.

1003
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: But so this is what it was.

1004
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: Everyone.

1005
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: It's called a speaker's showcase. And was it icmi L Saxton's.

1006
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure.

1007
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Yeah, anyway, it was a speaking agency

1008
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: that we both were doing some workforce. So what they

1009
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: do is they get out, like event planners and people

1010
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: who put together conferences, conference organizers, a whole lot of

1011
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: people in a room and they sit them down and

1012
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: then they wheel us out like fucking international runway models,

1013
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: except I'm not wearing a frock. I've just got to

1014
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: come out and I've got to do. I think it

1015
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: was like a fifteen to twenty minute presentation, might have

1016
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: been twenty yep, so a little bit of a snapshot

1017
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: of a keynote. Yes, like half a keynote. And so

1018
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: your job is literally and that by the way, they're

1019
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: not here. They're not there because they've heard of you,

1020
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: or they're interested in personal or professional development. Their reason

1021
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: for being there is solely to see if you're shit

1022
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: or good and whether or not they might want to

1023
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: book you for an event. I don't know if you

1024
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: remember this bit, but everyone in the audience, and there

1025
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 1: was more than a few. There was quite a few

1026
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: people in the audience, and I think it was you

1027
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: and me and maybe four other speakers. There might have

1028
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: been six speakers on the day. Ye, but I'm pretty

1029
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: sure you did well. I'm not just saying that, but

1030
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: I remember. So what they did was everyone had this

1031
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: kind of a remote control thing that they would push

1032
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: in our score and it would be stage presence, content,

1033
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: fucking you know, confidence, audience connection, whatever, like all these

1034
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: criteria that I can't remember, but essentially, you're standing on stage.

1035
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: I remember standing there talking and people in the audience

1036
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: looking at this what looked like a remote control pressing

1037
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: these buttons and they're scoring you in real time.

1038
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 2: Crazy. If it's not terrifying enough just being up there

1039
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: on the stage, but seeing people disconnect from engaging with

1040
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 2: you and there's anything, Oh, I'm like.

1041
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 1: Can you fuck can do that at the end? Could

1042
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: you just wait? Exactly? And yeah? That was that was

1043
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: That was terrifying. But you know, that's what you do

1044
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: when you're trying to get get some traction.

1045
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 2: Huh, exactly the things we do. We can look back

1046
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 2: and laugh about it now.

1047
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: But my last question about the Murray River before we

1048
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: step on to a more recent challenge of yours, is,

1049
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: as you said, it's not that it's a dirty river

1050
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: per se, but it's a muddy river, right because at

1051
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: the bottom of it's all mud, and depending on rainfall

1052
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: and stuff, it gets churned up and blah blah blah bah.

1053
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: How much of like, surely there's a fair chance that

1054
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: you get an infection or you get sick or you

1055
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: you know, because you're swimming in you know, muddy water

1056
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: for fuck and three and a half months. How did

1057
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: you deal with that when you went looking out for

1058
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: logs and snakes?

1059
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was very challenging as well, because there were

1060
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: a couple of times that I was very sick, like

1061
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: as in like vomiting diarrhea sick and trying to trying

1062
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: to get yourself motivated because part of the record was

1063
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: I had to swim a minimum of two hours every.

1064
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 1: Day, right, all right, so no days off.

1065
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: No days off.

1066
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that.

1067
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, consecutive swimming days. So that was part of the

1068
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: deal when you swim. So yeah, So there were some

1069
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: challenging times, and I did get a look. I got

1070
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: multiple ear infections. I had an eye infection. At one

1071
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: point I was in mil Durer, I remember, because my

1072
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: crew drove me. We were a bit we were past

1073
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 2: my Durer.

1074
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: But they came.

1075
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: We had I had some friends in mill Drawer. They

1076
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: came and met us at a point on the river

1077
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: and drove me back to see a specialist to have

1078
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: a look at my eye and to clean out my ears.

1079
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 2: You know, they did the water syringe in my ears,

1080
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: and you should have seen what came out.

1081
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, really.

1082
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, it was just so full of so anyway,

1083
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: but I could hear again after that, which was really good.

1084
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: I was because it's very It's very hard because you

1085
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: kind of weigh up should I put earplugs in? But

1086
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: then it takes away one of your senses. So like

1087
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: the balance here is like, so I'm attuned to the

1088
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: crew because I'm petrified that there could be a snake

1089
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: up ahead, which is what we've had. We had a

1090
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 2: couple of times, so I want to hear, you know,

1091
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: them yell out to mistake or you know, blow the

1092
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: whistle or whatever. And if you take that away, it's

1093
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: you know, already you've lost all your senses because you're

1094
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 2: looking down into like this is brown water, so you

1095
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 2: can't say anything when you turn your head. So yeah,

1096
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 2: so it was that I wore earplugs sometimes but most

1097
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 2: times not because of that. I just wanted to know

1098
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: what was going on. So so yeah, so you had

1099
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: to just deal with that. That was just part of

1100
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 2: the part of the journey. It was trying to find

1101
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: strength to keep going and yeah, and obviously, yeah, just

1102
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: deal with the situation at hand. It wasn't wasn't fun,

1103
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 2: it wasn't pretty. And yeah, my crew without my crew,

1104
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: like they literally you know, got me through.

1105
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: Who's the Who's the goat of endurance swimming? Like who's

1106
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: the male or female, Like who's the who's that person

1107
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: that who's the flow jo of or the Michael Jordan

1108
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: of endurance swimming.

1109
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: Well, I'd have to say Shelley Taylor Smith, like she

1110
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: was a pioneer as well. There's a few, so I

1111
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: would say Shelley because again she she very early on,

1112
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: she went in and beat a lot of men in

1113
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: the races on the circuit in Europe. Just was the

1114
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 2: first woman to do that. Like she's just incredible, like

1115
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: the force of nature. And one of my personal heroes

1116
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: is Gertrude Italy and she was the first woman to

1117
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: swim the Channel. So she you know, she actually smashed

1118
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: the men's record by over two hours, and it was

1119
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: it was in the early nineteen hundreds that she did it,

1120
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: and basically, you know, women were considered like almost like

1121
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: second citizens. It was like, you know, the newspapers were

1122
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 2: writing headlines like no woman can swim the Channel, It's

1123
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: not possible.

1124
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: You know.

1125
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 2: So she was up against it like massively. She couldn't

1126
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: get finances to get over there, and so what she

1127
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 2: did was such a huge achievement just for setting a

1128
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: benchmark for women to get involved in sports. So once

1129
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: she crossed the channel. So she was from New York

1130
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: and she she was a native of New Jersey actually,

1131
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 2: and so they did a ticker tape parade for her

1132
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: and it was massive worldwide, front page news, and apparently

1133
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: the influx of women that learn how to swim, that

1134
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 2: signed up for swimming lessons after that just was off

1135
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: the charts. Yeah. Yeah, And I was very fortunate because look,

1136
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 2: I really I didn't get a chance to meet her.

1137
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: She passed away before I got over to New York.

1138
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 2: But I actually met her family. And she set a

1139
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 2: record for swimming from New York to New Jersey and

1140
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: it had been in the marathon swiming history books for

1141
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 2: like eighty years, this record that she'd set. And she

1142
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 2: did this prior and it was just before she went

1143
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: over to the Channel. She used this room as a

1144
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 2: bit of a woman. So I really wanted to go

1145
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: over and sort of emulate Gertrude do her swim and

1146
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: do it as a tribute to her. And so I

1147
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 2: met with all her nieces and nephews. We had a

1148
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 2: big dinner together. They were all on my support boat,

1149
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: which is awesome. So I swam from New York to

1150
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: Sandy hooked in New Jersey and I broke her record.

1151
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: And then as I came up the beach, actually the

1152
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 2: mayor of Monmouth County in New Jersey came up with

1153
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: this certificate and said, I now proclaim July twenty first,

1154
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: from this day forward to be Tammy van Wis a

1155
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: day in Monmouth County, and all the schools will learn

1156
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: about your achievements in honor of this swim and Gertrue. Wow. Wow,

1157
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: So yesterday was Timmy van Wis the day in Monmouth County.

1158
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: In New York. That's bloody amazing. How good is that?

1159
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: I know, it's pretty cool her. I never thought I'd

1160
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: have a day named after me.

1161
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, I want to day. I'm jealous.

1162
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: But that was, you know, like I said, and that

1163
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 2: was all just I just think that, you know, what

1164
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 2: Gertrude did was just absolutely incredible. Honestly, you know, you

1165
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: just can't putting yourself back in those times. I think,

1166
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 2: you know, we can talk about it, but you know,

1167
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 2: living in those times when you're you know, up again

1168
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 2: so much adversity just to get to the start line.

1169
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what we're going to do, everyone is we're

1170
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: going to pau use here. I'm going to call this

1171
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: the end of part one with Tam, and we're going

1172
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: to come back tomorrow and we're going to conclude the

1173
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: story because there's a lot more than swimming that's gone on,

1174
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: especially in recent times. We're going to unpack that. But

1175
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: for the moment, we'll call this the end of Part one.

1176
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: Love you, guts, see tomorrow. Thanks Tam, Thank you.