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Speaker 1: I get a groo because it's fatty Harps, it's Craig Anthey, Harper,

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Speaker 1: it's the you project. It's oh bloody hell, I'm excited

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Speaker 1: about today. Every now and then I just wheel out

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Speaker 1: an old friend from my historical kind of cupboard. I

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Speaker 1: off both the cupboard and the person. And I've dusted

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Speaker 1: the cobwebs off. Tammy van Wissa, Who we go? Oh

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Speaker 1: my god? So far back?

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Speaker 2: Hi dam Hello, Craig. It's so good to see you.

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Speaker 2: We did go really really far back. In fact, I

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Speaker 2: don't even know whether we should mention how far back.

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Speaker 2: It's just the years of ticking on, aren't they.

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Speaker 1: When did we meet? What do you reckon? What year

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Speaker 1: was that? Was it? Maybe early like ninety ninety ninety?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say early nineties, I reckon

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Speaker 2: that'd be pretty close to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, back in the day, I was trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out this thing, and the world was trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out this thing called personal training, and people like, well,

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Speaker 1: that's not a thing, Harps, that's not a thing. It's

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Speaker 1: never going to take off its bullshit. It's not an industry.

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Speaker 1: It's not a profession. There's no course, there's no accreditation,

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Speaker 1: there's no insurance. And I'm like, I think it's going

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Speaker 1: to work. And you were an early adopter of it

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Speaker 1: wasn't so much it was kind of pet slash coaching,

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Speaker 1: slash talking bullshit with me for an hour. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: there was a long time ago.

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Speaker 2: Right, It was a long time ago, but it was

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Speaker 2: fantastic for me. It was like a breath of fresh

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Speaker 2: air because as a pool summer, you know, with your

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Speaker 2: you work hard doing that, but it's good to diversify.

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Speaker 2: And it was so good to actually, you know, still

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Speaker 2: be building muscle and working on different things, helping with

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Speaker 2: do in the pool. So and the chatter, the chat

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Speaker 2: was just incredible. So you've got the mental health, the

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Speaker 2: physical health, you have. It kicked every box.

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Speaker 1: Well, do you know what was funny is like, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I mean when I met you, I hadn't even gone

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Speaker 1: I've been working in gyms my whole adult life, and

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Speaker 1: You know, I look back and I think not that

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Speaker 1: I was the high watermark or harp As was the

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Speaker 1: time when people didn't even understand what the fuck a

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Speaker 1: personal training studio was. We can't say that on s

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Speaker 1: and can we tam We can't say fuck no. We

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Speaker 1: I realize now like I was kind of lucky before

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Speaker 1: because you and I, both of our default setting is friendly, chatty.

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Speaker 1: You know, both of us are a bit outgoing. And

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Speaker 1: I think that the whole thing worked largely not because

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Speaker 1: Like it was fun like for me too, you know,

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Speaker 2: And this isn't that essentially what life's all about though,

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Speaker 2: Like in everything that we do, we try and make

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Speaker 1: Were good times. And also, I mean, you were a

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Speaker 1: Would you my audience who don't know who you are?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I going right back to the very beginning.

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Speaker 2: And I so wish I'd kept this award. But this

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Speaker 1: I come from the same area. You're five years younger.

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Speaker 2: advance yourself and use all the skills that you got

431
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: from you know, working hard and knowing the value of

432
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 2: hard work and sitting in discomfort and taking that into

433
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 2: a work situation outside of the pool. So I really

434
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 2: do think in those situations it's been fascinating and really

435
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 2: really good. And the sports science of course, one of

436
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: the people that fascinates me is Cam McAvoy at the

437
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 2: moment because he's still pioneering right now. He's just made

438
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 2: to come back and you know, his land based program

439
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: is so different. He's not doing massive swimming. I think

440
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 2: he swims three times a week and he's just made

441
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 2: to come back and won of the world championships and

442
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 2: he's obviously qualified for this round team. So it is

443
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: I love. I love seeing how people go about things

444
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: in different ways and sitting new benchmarks. It's just great.

445
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: How old is he?

446
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 2: Oh, gosh, good question, I'd say. I'd say be in

447
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: his late twenties.

448
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 1: Get a guess what about I'm just looking at I

449
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 1: follow this guy on Insta? Do you have Insta? Grandma?

450
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: Are you on it? Are you on the Instagram? Grandma.

451
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I've had I've had to go into that

452
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 2: side of things. It's not my forte but I'm learning.

453
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 1: Now. Have you seen that, I'm sure you've seen Ross.

454
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 2: Edgeley Yes, rosientially, yes, absolutely, yes, Hey everyone.

455
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: If you want to see a fucking freak, so just

456
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: Ross r O W S E D G L E

457
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 1: Y on Instagram. He is like he's his body.

458
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: I mean he's short and he's chunky, and yes, I

459
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,239
Speaker 3: mean he looks like at times if you didn't know,

460
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: like depending on what side cycle or phase cycle there's

461
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 3: a bad word, but phase of his trained cycle maybe,

462
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 3: but he can look like a bodybuilder.

463
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: Like I've never seen a swimmer so jacked, Like swimmers

464
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: are generally in really good shape, but not too many

465
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: of them.

466
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 2: I mean he's reprinters yeah, yes, for sprinting, but not

467
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 2: yet not to be ripped like you were saying, like

468
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: he does.

469
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: And that's the contradiction, is he's ripped off his head

470
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: and he's an endurance swimmer.

471
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, although he did change his body composition

472
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: before he did his swim round Great Britain, so he does.

473
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: I think he's got a sports psychology background as well,

474
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: and physiology, so he's very attuned to trying new things

475
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: as well. So I think he did go on about

476
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: a different diet when he was doing his longestwim. So

477
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: when he prepares, he kind of changes things around so

478
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: that he knows he's going to need extra body fat,

479
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: you know, to cope with certain conditions and for flotation.

480
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: And yes, he is working against it though he's not

481
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 2: your typical it's not your typical long distance summar sort

482
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: of makeup.

483
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: Basis completely fucking mad, but also he's fucking mad but awesome.

484
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: It's a nice combo. Yeah, I remember him, he was

485
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: on I think he was recently on. I didn't watch it,

486
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: but everyone's like, hey, Craig, did you watch did you

487
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 1: watch a Thing with Chris Hemsworth which was about living longer?

488
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: And did you watch that? Tim? Yeah?

489
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: I loved it. It was a great series, fantastic. Yeah,

490
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: so he was on that, right, Yes he was. He was,

491
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 2: and he helped Chris because Chris went I'm trying. I

492
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: think where they went they went somewhere very cold where

493
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 2: there was you know, freezing water, and he trained Chris

494
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 2: to swim in the cold basically, just you know, like

495
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: the whim Hoff method, you know, trying to control your breathing.

496
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 2: And he made him, you know, and we didn't make him,

497
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: but Chris Hamsworth swim out to a boy and back

498
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 2: again and it was very cold. Was it was like,

499
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: you know, two degrees one degree is sort of type things.

500
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: So and he did it. Yeah, and it was really

501
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: fascinating to watch. And he's a great character. Ross is

502
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: a great character. So I've got his book Resilience as well,

503
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: which I read and that was that's fantastic.

504
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: You know what. Also digressing momentarily, I like Chris Emsworth because, yeah,

505
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: he's a good look and he's fucking six foot fifteen

506
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: and he's rich, he's a Hollywood But he has a crack,

507
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: doesn't he He does like he really has for a

508
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: guy who he doesn't need too. He's fucking rich and famous,

509
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: he doesn't need to do all that horrible shit, but

510
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: he dives in that makes me respect him. What Like,

511
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: of course he's an awesome actor and all that he's famous, good,

512
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, that's cool. But the shit that I love

513
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: is that he really seems to be any way down

514
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: to earth and has a real crack at some horrible shit.

515
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, that series is fabulous. I can't think of

516
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: the name of it, but I highly recommend it because

517
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: there's also a part where he tries out like fasting,

518
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: and he fasts for like I think it's over twenty

519
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: I think it does a twenty four hour fast, maybe

520
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: even longer. And all his mates, you know, said that

521
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: they join him, and of course he's absolutely dying because

522
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 2: he's exercising and doing things as well. And they go

523
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: away and get pizza and he can smell it, and

524
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: it's just hilarious the reaction. Like he really is. He

525
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: really is a great, down to earth guy. He seems

526
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: like the kind of guy that you know you'd be

527
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: mates with. He's really down to earth and humbled.

528
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: I think so it was it was called Limitless, So

529
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: Limitless I'm producing and hosting now all at the same time.

530
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: It's called Multi Talented as usual.

531
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: Well, I think you can watch it also on Disney,

532
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: so if you have Disney, everybody you can. And I'm

533
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: sure a lot of people speaking of being jacked and

534
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: ripped and do you know what, this could literally be

535
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: a fucking three hour podcast. I've just looked down at

536
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: half an hour in I haven't even got through the intro,

537
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about I've always wondered about

538
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: and I know this is not an exact science, but

539
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, Ross Edgeley is an anomaly because he does

540
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: ultra endurance and he's ripped, which means he's less buoyant

541
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: because he's got less fat, which means correct me if

542
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: I fuck any of this up. But he needs to

543
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: expend more energy energy to stay high in the water

544
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: because muscles, muscle basically sinks. He's like a fucking swimming rock. Yeah. Yeah,

545
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: he's more dense. What about how did you like when

546
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: you did you know, the English channel multiple times you

547
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: did lock Nest? You did? I think you did Locknest

548
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: in New Yeah?

549
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?

550
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: And what was that other one where you broke the

551
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: New York City to Sandy Hook which was thirty five miles? Yeah?

552
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: Do you when you're going in to do these ultra

553
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: long events, even the Murray River, like, do you do

554
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: you have to say, well, my body fat needs to

555
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: be twenty five percent before or is it not done

556
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: like that? How does it work?

557
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 2: Well? Again, we were just winging it, so you know,

558
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: there was no one you know, Look, I did have

559
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: at my squad I had a lovely girl by the

560
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 2: name of Julie Toldberg who was into sports science, and

561
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 2: she would do my and she get the calipers out

562
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: and do my body fat and we did. We were

563
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: trying to increase it. I didn't have I worked out targets.

564
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: I just plucked targets from the air, basically because we

565
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: weren't sure. I mean, look the really I kind of

566
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: didn't really take putting on weight too seriously at the beginning,

567
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: but I went over to the English Channel with my

568
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: brother in ninety three, my brother John and I. I

569
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: was serious about putting on weight. So I put on

570
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: ten kilos because everybody that is one swim where there's

571
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: quite a bit of benchmarking. You know, lots of people

572
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: as from the channel, so there's a lot of information,

573
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: so we knew we'd have to put on weight. My

574
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 2: brother thought it would be fun. His perspective was to

575
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: be the skinniest and the fastest man across the channel,

576
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: and he was quite muscular. But it didn't work out

577
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: that way. He got hypothermia four kilometers away from the

578
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: coast of France, actually disappeared under the boat. And Dawn

579
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: Fraser has been a mentor and coach for us for

580
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: a long time, very huge support. And she was actually

581
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,239
Speaker 2: on my brother's boat and jumped in and pulled him

582
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: back on board the boat, gave him mouth's mouth resuscitation. Wow,

583
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: she broke. I think she broke three ribs in the

584
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: process of dragging him back on board the boat.

585
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: So scary know that I did not know that.

586
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: And Dawn wouldn't have been twenty five years old either

587
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: at the time. She would have been what fifty on

588
00:29:59,040 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: at the time.

589
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say she would have been about fifty, so,

590
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: but she's just amazing she and it happened so quickly,

591
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: Like I remember she because I had my own boats,

592
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: I was assuming separate to John, and we went close

593
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: close to each other in terms of physical distance. But

594
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: she apparently had spoken to him not very long before

595
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: and said to him, how are you going? Because she

596
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: was getting a bit worried, And I'd actually flued her

597
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: in and said, listen, keep an eye on John because

598
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: I'm worried about him with the cold. And so she'd

599
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: spoken to him, said you know, you're feeling ok, and

600
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: He's gone, yeah, yeah, fine, And then like about five

601
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: minutes later, Hyperthermi, you're set in, so it kind of

602
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: really was a big shock and a wake up call

603
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 2: to you know, the reality of how scary hypothermia is.

604
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: And so from that point on we kind of worked

605
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: out some protocols as well. So now we know that

606
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: when you're in a hypothermic state, you can answer very

607
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: simple questions, but if you're asked to give your date

608
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: of birth, or you know, answer anything in detail, then

609
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: your cognitive thinking is just not there. So that helped

610
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: us formulate plans. So that became the benchmark for the

611
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: rest of the swims I did that were in cold water,

612
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: and I knew that if I couldn't answer Dawn, she

613
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: pulled me out. So that was good book. So John look,

614
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: I managed to get him back to England and she

615
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: went into hospital and he recovered and he actually wanted

616
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: to go back the following year and try again, and

617
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: this time he put on weight. In fact, he put

618
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: on twenty two kilos.

619
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: Ye. Talk about talk about one extreme to the other.

620
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: Ye.

621
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: He he did just put a bed at McDonald's or something,

622
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: did he pretty much?

623
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: I think I think part of it. I think Dawn

624
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: might have said to him that drinking stout and lemonade

625
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: was a really good diet plan, so you know, hey,

626
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: so he was like the it was like the michelin Man,

627
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: you know, the blink, ready to simm across. So we

628
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: went back the following year in ninety four, and yeah,

629
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: we became first brother and sisters in the channel together.

630
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: So he made it cost no worries at all, So

631
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: huge leaning experience. And yeah, so hypothemia definitely. And the floatation,

632
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: like the body fat just makes you like sit on

633
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: top of the water. It's such a big difference, Like honestly,

634
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: you literally pop onto all the water.

635
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean imagine with an extra twenty two

636
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 1: kilos and probably twenty of that was fat. I mean,

637
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: you're just gonna be like a little fucking cork with

638
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: arms and legs.

639
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: Well you are, you are. But there is obviously also

640
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: a trade off, as you would know, because you have

641
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: to pull it. You still have to you know, you

642
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: just have to drag that amount of weight through the water.

643
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: So there's you know, there's a compromise with everything. But again,

644
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: you train for that, you get used to that, so

645
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: you've got to do that to actually make it. So

646
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: that's the price you pay.

647
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: What was the most you ever lost on a I

648
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: mean not say the Murray River because that was over months,

649
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: but on a you know, like an event.

650
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: Okay, so I lost. I've lost ten kilos multiple times,

651
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: like summing the channel across baths straight. I lost eleven

652
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: kilos in seventeen hour. I was in forty six minutes.

653
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah on, hang on, just just soak that up. Everyone

654
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: you lost? Did you say eleven or ten eleven? You

655
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: lost eleven kilos in seventeen hours? Yep.

656
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should start running programs. You're going to get

657
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: a million people signing up for that. Yeah.

658
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: They'll get their toads in the freezing order and go

659
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: for half an hour and decide that's it.

660
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: Though.

661
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: That's the problem, isn't it. Like you've got to be

662
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: willing to do the hard yards. I think that's you know.

663
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: So where did you swim that? For that? Where did

664
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: you Did you tip off at Wilson's prom or.

665
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: No, I went the other way. I started in Tazi,

666
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: So I started at King Island and I swam to

667
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: Apollo Bay. That was I did a lot of research,

668
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: and so obviously logistically I was looking for a finishing

669
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: point near civilization as well that if something happened, I

670
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: could be taken to a hospital. So that's why we

671
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: chose King Island again obviously with some resources there and

672
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: finished at a holiday.

673
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, like, honestly, it's it's not a

674
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: sport that you do because you want to be rich

675
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: and famous.

676
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: Right hardly.

677
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean if I was, if you were

678
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: my kid, I would have said, throw those fucking goggles away,

679
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: here's a tennis racket, get out there.

680
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: Exactly I do. And it was funny because I did

681
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: use Obviously, when you go out to sports nights and things,

682
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: you do get to mingle with other sports people, and

683
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: you know, the tennis players would all be complaining about

684
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 2: the couple of hours training that they had to do

685
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 2: in the middle of the day. You know, I should

686
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: have been a tennis play the same amount of work

687
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: and training into tennis. If I had just any bit

688
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: of talent, surely I would have done better. But no, look,

689
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: there was you purely do it for the challenge, you

690
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: really do. It's a personal I guess experience. It's a

691
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: wanting to test yourself, push your limits to the ultimate extreme,

692
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: and it's addictive. I think once you start doing that,

693
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: you want to do more of it. And with so

694
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 2: many endurance sports, I think you're right on the edge,

695
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: you know, you right on the edge of discovering what

696
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: your body can can't do and her mind.

697
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of the it's one of the one

698
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: of these sports in the world or events in the world,

699
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: sports in the world where the gap between the male

700
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: and the female bodies not that big, is it? Because

701
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: you know, and there have been I think more than

702
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: a few times where and we see that there's another

703
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: lady who's fucking amazing. What is her name to me?

704
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: But she's no not a swimmer, a runner. Now this this,

705
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: this incredible woman is winning ultra endurance runs, beating all

706
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: the chicks and the blokes. She's not winning the women's bit,

707
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: she's winning the overall events and blokes. A big I mean, yeah,

708
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: I think, I think, yeah, it's incredible.

709
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: Oh it is it is? It really is.

710
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

711
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: There comes a point where there's the.

712
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: Courtney de Walter. I think that's her name, something like that.

713
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: I was going to say that I have read about

714
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: her and I couldn't quite think of her name as well,

715
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 2: But you're right, Courtney to Walter. I saw something about

716
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: her the other week and just went wow it is

717
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: and sitting benchmarks. The thing is is that once one

718
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 2: woman does it, then belief the power of her being

719
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: a role model and instilled in that belief insie. I

720
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: bet you'll start to see more women now coming through

721
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: because they just need that one person to do it.

722
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, it's like the floodgates

723
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 2: have been open, like hey, a woman can do it.

724
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: So it's really it's such a powerful thing when one

725
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: person does it.

726
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: Amazing. All right, let's talk about the Murray River, which

727
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: you did over three and a half months, two four

728
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight kilometers. Now for my international listeners,

729
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 1: of which we have quite a few, the Murray River

730
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: is a river that essentially separates to Australia in States,

731
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: which is Victoria and New South Wales, yes, go on.

732
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: And then flows into South Australia. Basically yeah, so yeah,

733
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: and it's a life club for Australia too because there's

734
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 2: a lot of our food is grown in the Murray

735
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: daleing basin region, so it's a very important river on

736
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: so many levels.

737
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: But tell me about that, tell me about prepping for

738
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: that doing that. Did you swim one hour a day,

739
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: ten hours a day, did you have days? Like? What

740
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: was that about?

741
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: So again, I'd done a lot of planning. I'd actually,

742
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: you know, traveled a lot of the river prior to

743
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: the swim because the logistical side of things was really

744
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: challenging because I had to have obviously a crew with me.

745
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: I had to have a support crew in the water. Yeah,

746
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: I had to have a support crew on land as well,

747
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, you know, when

748
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: you finish something, you need a camp to go to,

749
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: you need food, you need all the resources to keep

750
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 2: you going. So and then you know, we had caravans,

751
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: two caravans basically traveling the first part because some parts

752
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: you're remote, other times you're in caravan parks. But again,

753
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: it's all difficult to plan because everybody when you book

754
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 2: into a caravan park or accommodation along the way, what

755
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: data you riving? Well, I don't know, I don't know.

756
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: Like I had a rough plan. I broke the river

757
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: into four pieces, so you know, I set sections, segmented

758
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: the river and had goals in my mind where I

759
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: wanted to be and what I wanted to swim each day.

760
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 2: But like life, things don't work to plan, and some

761
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 2: days you're tired. Some days you run into a snake,

762
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: some days you run into a log. You know, there

763
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: are things that happen. The water is freezing, so you

764
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 2: don't get as far as you thought you would you're tired.

765
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 2: So for me, I was trying to break a record

766
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: that was set by a gentleman by the name of

767
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: Graham Middleton. And he was actually the first person to

768
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: the length of the Murray and so he had set

769
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: the benchmark at one hundred and thirty eight days. That

770
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: was the goal to try and break his records. I

771
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: kind of had planned my swim to try and you know,

772
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: just get in sneak in before that. So you know,

773
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: the problem that I found was I actually announced really

774
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 2: what my goals were, so a lot of the media

775
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: knew I was aiming to be like say, let's say

776
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: at one of the towns, at a Chuka buy a

777
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: certain period of time. So then when I didn't get

778
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: there by those times, of course the media be negative like, oh,

779
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: she's behind her goal, she's not going to make it lower.

780
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: So again, you know, if I go back and do

781
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 2: my time again, I'd approached it in a different way,

782
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: But it was just it literally became about doing it

783
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: day by day. That's what I focused on. Had to

784
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: really just concentrate on one day at a time, and

785
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: I had a plan to swim sort of between six

786
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: and eight hours a day. That was the goal. And

787
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: sometimes i'd break that up and do three or four

788
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: hours in the morning, you know, have lunch, and then

789
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: go back in and do another sort of three hours

790
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: in the late afternoon. But again that all changed with

791
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: the conditions because when I started it was early November.

792
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: I was simming in the snow melt coming down from Cosiasco,

793
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: so it was like a crisp sort of seven degrees

794
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: in the water.

795
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

796
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: And then gradually as I headed towards South Australia, which

797
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: was about two thousand kilometers. By the time I got

798
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: to South Australia, we had a hotter summer on record

799
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: and it was fifty six degrees in the shade, so

800
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: like I couldn't swim in the heat of the day

801
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: because it just get burnt to a crisp. I mean,

802
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 2: the Murray River was twenty nine degrees.

803
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: It was that hot, fifty six degrees.

804
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: Yes, in the shade. When we went through border clips

805
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: like it was just it was unbelievable, off the charts,

806
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: like seriously, it was incredible. And that was, like I said,

807
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: when we went through, they had the thermometer outside, so

808
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: that's how we knew what temperature it was.

809
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: Now I'm just converting that so to our international listeners,

810
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: fifty six degrees celsius. Fucking hell, it's like one hundred

811
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: and thirty three degrees.

812
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. It was insane.

813
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: How did you not melt well?

814
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: So then we had to come up with a different plan.

815
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 2: So you have to be, you know, willing to change

816
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 2: your plans, and so we diverse five. We thought, okay,

817
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: the best way to approach this was to start really

818
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 2: early in the morning, so first light, as soon as

819
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: the sunrise came up and it was safe for me

820
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: to swim, they could see me in the water I

821
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: was in, and I'd just do as much as I could, say,

822
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: you know, I might start at five thirty sort of

823
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: thing and swim till eight thirty nine o'clock, and then

824
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: we'd and then we'd rest through the heat of the

825
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: day and then i'd go back in again, like you know,

826
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: six o'clock sort of thing and swim till nine o'clock,

827
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: so we had to just make use of whatever daylight

828
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: hours we could at the beginning and end of the day. Yeah,

829
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: to try and make progress and just thinking outside the box.

830
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,479
Speaker 2: I didn't plan on that, Like, I didn't expect it.

831
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: So I know there weren't I know, there's lots of planning,

832
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: but the science back then is not the science now.

833
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: But did you have did you have a nutritionness? Did

834
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: you have any idea of calories in and out and

835
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: like was your goal to maintain weight and that levels

836
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: through the swim or it wasn't in depth.

837
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it wasn't very in depth. I didn't have

838
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: a nutritionness. I didn't have really anybody like you advising me. Again,

839
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: it was all fled by the seat of your pads.

840
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: I had a set of scales, you know, which I

841
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: stood on every now and then because we were camping,

842
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: so like, you know, until we got to halfway. Then

843
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: we were on a house boat and that was really awesome.

844
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: But you know, you can be on the side of

845
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: a riverbed, you know, so it kind of it's pretty basic.

846
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: It's pretty basic. So you're just trying to eat enough

847
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: to keep your weight up and just you know, have

848
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: the energy to keep going.

849
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: Really you must have had I mean like still logistically

850
00:42:54,400 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: and practically you must have had quite a few. But

851
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, you think about the caravans, think about who's

852
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: going to beare food, who's going to give you a rub,

853
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: who's got you know, like you must have had some

854
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: kind of medical contingency plan. There must have been a

855
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: few people involved.

856
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, there was a lot of people. I had

857
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: a support crew of twelve to fifteen people traveling with

858
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: me along the way.

859
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

860
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: So with roles, you know, like my mum did a

861
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: lot of the cookies, so when I said didn't have

862
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: a nutritions, I had my mum there, so she knew

863
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 2: what I liked and didn't like and was really good.

864
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: So and you know a lot of a lot of

865
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 2: really great friends obviously that worked with me before. So yeah,

866
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: so for me, the resources that I tapped into was

867
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: the Royal Life Saving Society. So because I've done so

868
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: much life saving, lots of friends. So the boating squad,

869
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: you know, they had their IRBs and they're all trained obviously,

870
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: you know for rescue situations and for medical situations. We

871
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: had back in the tape which I with with the

872
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: SAT phone, which was like this huge clunky thing and

873
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: a suitcase because you know, we had we had Sea

874
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: THEMA phones at the time because you didn't have coverage everywhere.

875
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 1: So we had to I don't know what that means.

876
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: What is c DMA.

877
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: Country something something. I don't know. They were the ones

878
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: that you used in the in the country areas. So

879
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: I'm showing my dinosaur age.

880
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: That's all right.

881
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: But basically the mobile phones didn't didn't have great service,

882
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: so it was really difficult and of course if something happened,

883
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: like you know, again, tiger and brown snakes quite prevalent

884
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: in the river. Two are the most venomous.

885
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: In the river.

886
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: In the river, in the road, they swim.

887
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: They swim fucking the hell.

888
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: I know.

889
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: I know that's brightening, that's not that's more than frightening.

890
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: So the brown snakes and tiger snakes, as you said,

891
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: both venomous and both like kind of.

892
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: Deadly, very deadly, like in the top I think they're

893
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: both in the top ten dead list in the world.

894
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: Like that. You know, they buy you. You've got to

895
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: get the anti vierneine.

896
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: So what was the the contingency with that? Did you

897
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: did you like, what do you do if you see

898
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: a snake?

899
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: So so again there was a bit of learning, because

900
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: you know, I'd spoken to a lot of local people

901
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: and tried to get some advice on what to do.

902
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: And of course, not a lot of people get in

903
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: the water. Some people say, just you know, just let

904
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: them cross and stay out of their way and they'll

905
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: go and do what they want to do, which is

906
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 2: fair enough, but when you're in a situation. So when

907
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: I started my swim, I actually had to delay the

908
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: start because the river had been in drought for five

909
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: years and I actually thought that I might be walking

910
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: parts of it. There was barely any water. But a

911
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: couple of weeks before I was due to start, we

912
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: had a tremendous downpour and the river was in flood.

913
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: It was out of the banks. It was too dangerous.

914
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: The sees advised me that this emergency services advised me

915
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: not to start my swim because it was too dangerous.

916
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: So once the river subsided and it went back into

917
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: its banks, I started my swim, but it was flowing.

918
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: It was flowing at five kilometers an hour, so I

919
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: swim sort of roughly four to five as well. I

920
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: was traveling like not in ten k's an hour down

921
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 2: this river like wow wow. Scary on a number of

922
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 2: levels because there's a lot of trees that have fallen

923
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: into the river banks. So you know, one of the

924
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 2: scary things is getting caught on snags and branches because

925
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 2: obviously the clarity of it is not great. It's better

926
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 2: at the top end, but it you know, just integrates

927
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: as you head into South Australia. It's a it's a

928
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: muddy river essentially, so you can't see your hand underneath you.

929
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 2: So but at the beginning, you know, Actually, I think

930
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: it was the second or the third day, I actually

931
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: got trapped on a submerged branch and it caught me.

932
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 2: I got snagged on it. I was wearing a wet

933
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: suit and I got snagged on it and it ripped

934
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: to my wet suit. And the worst thing is that

935
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: I had like a little inflatable boat beside me and

936
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: IRB we call them, and it actually I was feeding.

937
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: I was, you know, having my sustenance in the water

938
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: as you do, and as I'm floating down, I got

939
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: caught on this snag and then the boat came on

940
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,959
Speaker 2: top of me. Literally got pushed down Oh my god.

941
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: It happened so quickly, and I actually thought it was

942
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 2: all over because I literally went under and the boat

943
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: reversed and they managed to pull me off the branch.

944
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: But I had brize back. I was I was the

945
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: mess because it was like day two, day two, and

946
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: then said a snake yet, But you know that was

947
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: that was a good introduction of what can happen. So

948
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: you're in this very volatile environment and you just have

949
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: to be so aware and prepared. So lucky I had

950
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 2: a great crew, as I said, you know, Royal Life

951
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: Saving crew. They were on top of it really fast,

952
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: and you know, managed to get me out of the river.

953
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: But you know, things happened. So yeah, scary situations. But

954
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: I don't even remember the original question you asked me.

955
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: Now that's right, No, no, no, okay, So three and

956
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: a half months out of your life. So did you

957
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: beat the record? I'm thinking, yeah, you did the beat

958
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: the record, right, I did.

959
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: I broke it by thirty five days.

960
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's amazing. Yeah, And I know, I mean,

961
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm usually you don't do it for the money, or

962
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: you didn't do it for the money, But did that

963
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: get any sponsors? Did that get any did you get

964
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: any dough through that or did you just kind of

965
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: break even or or worse?

966
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 2: No, I did manage to break even, which was a

967
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: success because most of the swims didn't even get enough

968
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 2: to cover you know, the actual basic cost of it all.

969
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: And that's with everybody volunteering their time, so you know,

970
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: it's all run on a shoe string. So basically, you know,

971
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: like I had people like Jaco donated the caravans to

972
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: use for the swim, like miss and donated a couple

973
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: of cars sort of thing.

974
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: You know.

975
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: So with all of that, I broke even at the

976
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: end and no real huge, you know, life changing sponsorships

977
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: at the end of it. But I guess really was

978
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: that the speaking side that I went into. You know,

979
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: people wanted me to come and speak, so that sort of,

980
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: I guess opened up opened up an avenue to earn revenue,

981
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: and that's where I moved into more than you know

982
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 2: as a result of them, which again I didn't anticipate

983
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: or really see coming, but it's something I really enjoy

984
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: and still do today. So yeah, so that's fairly lovely.

985
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: Am I imagining this? Or did you and I once

986
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: do what's called a speaker's showcase for Saxton's speakers about

987
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: twenty five years ago.

988
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: No, I'm pretty sure we did. I'm pretty sure we did.

989
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: I think. So what this is everyone is So this

990
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: was this was fucking terrifying. Like my speaking career was

991
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: just kind of stepping off. I was already doing bits

992
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: and pieces of lecturing and little bits, and I'm going

993
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: to be honest, I wasn't fucking great. Some would argue

994
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm still not, but but I remember I did actually

995
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: okay on the day. I wasn't amazing, but I did okay.

996
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you remember this bit, Tam.

997
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: But so this is what it was. Everyone. It's called

998
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: a speaker's showcase. And was it icmi L Saxton's.

999
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure.

1000
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Yeah, anyway, it was a speaking agency

1001
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: that we both were doing some workforce. So what they

1002
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: do is they get out, like event planners and people

1003
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: who put together conferences, conference organizers, a whole lot of

1004
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: people in a room and they sit them down and

1005
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: then they wheel us out like fucking international runway models,

1006
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: except I'm not wearing a frock. I've just got to

1007
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: come out and I've got to do. I think it

1008
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: was like a fifteen to twenty minute presentation, might have

1009
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: been twenty yep, so a little bit of a snapshot

1010
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: of a keynote. Yes, like half a keynote. And so

1011
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: your job is literally and that by the way, they're

1012
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: not here. They're not there because they've heard of you,

1013
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: or they're interested in personal or professional development. Their reason

1014
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: for being there is solely to see if you're shit

1015
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: or good and whether or not they might want to

1016
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: book you for an event. I don't know if you

1017
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: remember this bit, but everyone in the audience, and there

1018
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 1: was more than a few. There was quite a few

1019
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: people in the audience, and I think it was you

1020
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: and me and maybe four other speakers. There might have

1021
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: been six speakers on the day. Ye, but I'm pretty

1022
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: sure you did well. I'm not just saying that, but

1023
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: I remember. So what they did was everyone had this

1024
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: kind of a remote control thing that they would push

1025
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: in our score and it would be stage presence, content,

1026
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: fucking you know, confidence, audience connection, whatever, like all these

1027
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: criteria that I can't remember, but essentially, you're standing on stage.

1028
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: I remember standing there talking and people in the audience

1029
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: looking at this what looked like a remote control pressing

1030
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: these buttons and they're scoring you in real time.

1031
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 2: Crazy. If it's not terrifying enough just being up there

1032
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: on the stage, but seeing people disconnect from engaging with

1033
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: you and there's anything.

1034
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm like, can you fuck can do that at

1035
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: the end? Could you just wait? Exactly? And yeah? That

1036
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: was that was That was terrifying. But you know, that's

1037
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: what you do when you're trying to get get some traction.

1038
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 2: Huh, exactly the things we do. We can look back

1039
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 2: and laugh about it now.

1040
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: But my last question about the Murray River before we

1041
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: step on to a more recent challenge of yours, is,

1042
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: as you said, it's not that it's a dirty river

1043
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: per se, but it's a muddy river, right because at

1044
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: the bottom of it's all mud, and depending on rainfall

1045
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: and stuff, it gets churned up and blah blah blah bah.

1046
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: How much of like, surely there's a fair chance that

1047
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: you get an infection or you get sick or you

1048
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: you know, because you're swimming in you know, muddy water

1049
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: for fuck and three and a half months. How did

1050
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: you deal with that when you went looking out for

1051
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: logs and snakes?

1052
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was very challenging as well, because there were

1053
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: a couple of times that I was very sick, like

1054
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: as in like vomiting diarrhea sick and trying to trying

1055
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: to get yourself motivated because part of the record was

1056
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: I had to swim a minimum of two hours every.

1057
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 1: Day, right, all right, so no days off.

1058
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: No days off.

1059
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that.

1060
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, consecutive swimming days. So that was part of the

1061
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: deal when you swim. So yeah, So there were some

1062
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: challenging times, and I did get a look. I got

1063
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: multiple ear infections. I had an eye infection. At one

1064
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: point I was in mil Durer, I remember, because my

1065
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: crew drove me. We were a bit we were past

1066
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: my Durer, but they came. We had I had some

1067
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: friends in mill Drawer. They came and met us at

1068
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: a point on the river and drove me back to

1069
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 2: see a specialist to have a look at my eye

1070
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: and to clean out my ears. You know, they did

1071
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 2: the water syringe in my ears, and you should have

1072
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: seen what came out. Oh my god, really yeah, oh yeah,

1073
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: it was just so full of so anyway, but I

1074
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: could hear again after that, which was really good. I

1075
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 2: was because it's very It's very hard because you kind

1076
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: of weigh up should I put earplugs in? But then

1077
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 2: it takes away one of your senses. So like the

1078
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: balance here is like, so I'm attuned to the crew

1079
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: because I'm petrified that there could be a snake up ahead,

1080
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 2: which is what we've had. We had a couple of times,

1081
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: so I want to hear, you know, them yell out

1082
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: to mistake or you know, blow the whistle or whatever.

1083
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: And if you take that away, it's you know, already

1084
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: you've lost all your senses because you're looking down into

1085
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: like this is brown water, so you can't say anything

1086
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: when you turn your head. So yeah, so it was

1087
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: that I wore earplugs sometimes but most times not because

1088
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 2: of that. I just wanted to know what was going on.

1089
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 2: So so yeah, so you had to just deal with that.

1090
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: That was just part of the part of the journey.

1091
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 2: It was trying to find strength to keep going and yeah,

1092
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: and obviously, yeah, just deal with the situation at hand.

1093
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 2: It wasn't wasn't fun, it wasn't pretty. And yeah, my

1094
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: crew without my crew, like they literally you know, got

1095
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: me through.

1096
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: Who's the Who's the goat of endurance swimming? Like who's

1097
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: the male or female, Like who's the who's that person

1098
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: that who's the flow jo of or the Michael Jordan

1099
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: of endurance swimming.

1100
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: Well, I'd have to say Shelley Taylor Smith, like she

1101
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: was a pioneer as well. There's a few, so I

1102
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: would say Shelley because again she she very early on,

1103
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: she went in and beat a lot of men in

1104
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: the races on the circuit in Europe. Just was the

1105
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 2: first woman to do that. Like she's just incredible, like

1106
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: the force of nature. And one of my personal heroes

1107
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: is Gertrude Italy and she was the first woman to

1108
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: swim the Channel. So she you know, she actually smashed

1109
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: the men's record by over two hours, and it was

1110
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: it was in the early nineteen hundreds that she did it,

1111
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: and basically, you know, women were considered like almost like

1112
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: second citizens. It was like, you know, the newspapers were

1113
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 2: writing headlines like no woman can swim the Channel, It's

1114
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: not possible.

1115
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: You know.

1116
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 2: So she was up against it like massively. She couldn't

1117
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: get finances to get over there, and so what she

1118
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 2: did was such a huge achievement just for setting a

1119
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: benchmark for women to get involved in sports. So once

1120
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: she crossed the channel. So she was from New York

1121
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: and she she was a native of New Jersey actually,

1122
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 2: and so they did a ticker tape parade for her

1123
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: and it was massive worldwide, front page news, and apparently

1124
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: the influx of women that learn how to swim, that

1125
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 2: signed up for swimming lessons after that just was off

1126
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: the charts. Yeah. Yeah, And I was very fortunate because look,

1127
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 2: I really I didn't get a chance to meet her.

1128
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: She passed away before I got over to New York.

1129
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 2: But I actually met her family. And she set a

1130
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 2: record for swimming from New York to New Jersey and

1131
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: it had been in the marathon swiming history books for

1132
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 2: like eighty years, this record that she'd set. And she

1133
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 2: did this prior and it was just before she went

1134
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: over to the Channel. She used this room as a

1135
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 2: bit of a woman. So I really wanted to go

1136
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: over and sort of emulate Gertrude do her swim and

1137
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: do it as a tribute to her. And so I

1138
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 2: met with all her nieces and nephews. We had a

1139
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 2: big dinner together. They were all on my support boat,

1140
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: which is awesome. So I swam from New York to

1141
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: Sandy hooked in New Jersey and I broke her record.

1142
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: And then as I came up the beach, actually the

1143
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 2: mayor of Monmouth County in New Jersey came up with

1144
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: this certificate and said, I now proclaim July twenty first,

1145
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: from this day forward to be Tammy van Wis a

1146
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: day in Monmouth County, and all the schools will learn

1147
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: about your achievements in honor of this swim and Gertrue. Wow.

1148
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: Wow, So yesterday.

1149
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: Was Tammy van Wis the day in Monmouth County.

1150
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: In New York. That's bloody amazing. How good is that?

1151
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: I know, it's pretty cool her. I never thought I'd

1152
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: have a day named after me.

1153
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, I want to day. I'm jealous.

1154
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: But that was, you know, like I said, and that

1155
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 2: was all just I just think that, you know, what

1156
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 2: Gertrude did was just absolutely incredible. Honestly, you know, you

1157
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: just can't putting yourself back in those times. I think,

1158
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 2: you know, we can talk about it, but you know,

1159
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: living in those times when you're you know, up again

1160
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 2: so much adversity just to get to the start line.

1161
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what we're going to do, everyone is we're

1162
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: going to pause here I'm going to call this the

1163
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: end of part one with Tam, and we're going to

1164
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: come back tomorrow and we're going to conclude the story

1165
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: because there's a lot more than swimming that's gone on,

1166
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: especially in recent times. We're going to unpack that. But

1167
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: for the moment, we'll call this the end of Part one.

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Speaker 1: Love you, guts see tomorrow. Thanks Tam, thank you.