WEBVTT - How the Deni Dictionary is redefining Australian culture

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<v Speaker 1>I had to call the an ram the other day

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<v Speaker 1>because I burst at tire and he said the number

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<v Speaker 1>one call out is Ford Rangers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah for just breakdowns. Sure he isn't there? Absolutely crap.

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<v Speaker 3>The rage driver.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I like that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>From The Australian. This is the weekend edition of The Front.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Claire Harvey. Australia is known for its slang, but

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<v Speaker 1>the exported brand Crocodile dumdee or Steve Irwin doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>do it justice.

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<v Speaker 3>Throw a shrimp on the barb thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bit like Foster's the Australian beer, enjoyed overseas

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<v Speaker 1>that no one actually drinks in Australia. Real Australian slang,

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<v Speaker 1>handed down by generations of migrants and forged in the

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<v Speaker 1>fire of early settlement, is subtle. It's clever without being pretentious,

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<v Speaker 1>ironic but inclusive. My guest today is the man behind

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<v Speaker 1>the Denny Dictionary, a wildly popular Instagram account responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>instant classics like the bachelor's handbag for a Woolyi's roast chook,

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<v Speaker 1>the Milton Mango four x gold and AirPod with legs

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<v Speaker 1>for a real estate agent. He's also maybe our best

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<v Speaker 1>line of defense against a growing number of americanisms making

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<v Speaker 1>their way into our daily vocabulary. Fridge cigarette is a

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<v Speaker 1>phrase I actually heard in the office recently, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>brought in the creator of that phrase, Lindon, who's the

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<v Speaker 1>creator of the Denny Dictionary and Instagram Sensation all words

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<v Speaker 1>on this very visual platform. Lindon, what is a fridge cigarette?

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<v Speaker 3>The fridge cigarette? It's say it's a candadkee coke or

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<v Speaker 3>a coke zero. Really, I think these days, stepping outside

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<v Speaker 3>for SIGGI might be a bit found upon, So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>pulling something from the fridge seems a little a little

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<v Speaker 3>more palatable.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in your short list of words of the Year

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<v Speaker 1>for this year on the Denny Dictionary, which is something

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<v Speaker 1>you crew tell me about what it is and where

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<v Speaker 1>it came from and what it means.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got a great history of like Ozzie slang and

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<v Speaker 3>phrases in Australia. I think it's just a page that's

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<v Speaker 3>just trying to celebrate that. You know, I don't mind

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<v Speaker 3>totally personally he's looking a little bit like but as

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<v Speaker 3>I said Jo in the campaign, he's as mad as

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<v Speaker 3>a cut snake.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had generations of old people complaining about political correctness

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<v Speaker 1>and how the English language is more and more under

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<v Speaker 1>control and more and more sort of bland.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a crying shame. It's cruel to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of tell people what you can and can't laugh at.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's crazy, that's insidious.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're usually blaming the young people for doing this

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<v Speaker 1>to us. But in this case, it's you, a young

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<v Speaker 1>person who's trying to revive old things about the Australian language.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that match with I suppose change that's always

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<v Speaker 1>happening in language where we realize it's probably not that

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<v Speaker 1>nice to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredibly rude things about people anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I've definitely taken some old phrases that we can't really

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<v Speaker 3>be saying anymore and tried to give them a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of a twenty twenty six update, you know, trying to

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<v Speaker 3>make a phrase a little bit more accessible to everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, like we all these days

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<v Speaker 3>get so kind of bored by corporate jargon and just

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<v Speaker 3>like the sanitization of like daily conversations. So that's just

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<v Speaker 3>really what the page is trying to do, Just trying

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<v Speaker 3>to make everyday conversations more interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my granddad used to describe people as being as

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<v Speaker 1>ugly as it a hat full of bums, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a face like a drop pie, all those old sayings

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<v Speaker 1>that we know who in your life was the person

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<v Speaker 1>who spoke like.

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<v Speaker 2>This when you were young, who you feel nostalgic for a.

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<v Speaker 3>Close family friend of ours. Could feel he was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like that uncle that's not really your uncle, and

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<v Speaker 3>for some reason he'd always be at your family Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever, but you don't really know why he's there.

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<v Speaker 3>He grew up, yeah, a few hours west of Timber,

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<v Speaker 3>and he had an entire brain full of these things.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you remember some of them?

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<v Speaker 3>It turned up to dinner, he so, I'm hungry. I

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<v Speaker 3>could eat the crutch out of like flying duck, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>some of these old like real Queensland sayings. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think he was kind of the one that yeah and

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<v Speaker 3>chase the rider.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the other lines are probably some of the

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<v Speaker 3>great sporting commentators we've seen that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the moons are very shaky under attack. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>they look a little bit better when they haven't got

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<v Speaker 2>the ball. Well looks shafe for the ball. It's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those dancing schools there from HK the cough droppy

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<v Speaker 2>a knocked over there.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, could I just suggest.

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<v Speaker 3>With Royin HG or Dennis Committee's you know, I'm really.

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<v Speaker 2>Puts it out in front of hill. They say it's

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<v Speaker 2>easy to run down hill till huns a bac Intosh

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<v Speaker 2>and he goes and he kicks a gol.

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Committee, you know, much loved AFL commentator. And there

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<v Speaker 1>was a funeral the other day where I did have

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<v Speaker 1>to have a small laugh even though it was a

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<v Speaker 1>sad moment when someone described him as the Shakespeare of

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<v Speaker 1>Ossie Rules commentary.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, he was. Unreally I was watching some clips

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<v Speaker 3>the other day and on the line, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 3>knuck off on him like a librarian.

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<v Speaker 2>They came up, but I didn't like a librarian.

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<v Speaker 1>We've never heard him.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't surprise one of ols in he's got the football.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me about your other contenders for word for you.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think fuel prices and cost of living is

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<v Speaker 3>top of mind. So the Shanghai lux, which is the

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<v Speaker 3>ev ute or the one time rodeo is some other

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<v Speaker 3>terms we've come up for it. But yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 3>all the ev car lots are pretty busy at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's kind of looking at and how can they get

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<v Speaker 3>into a EV and on the other end of the

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<v Speaker 3>EV to all the gas guzzlers. So I think we're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing a lot of ram trucks and Ford Raptors getting

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<v Speaker 3>around at the moment. So the Ford Raptor we call

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<v Speaker 3>the CFM e ute or the rage Rover. It's that

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<v Speaker 3>car that's, you know, riding right up your backside when

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<v Speaker 3>you're going through the MACS drive through. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 3>something about those cars just they're always driven by someone

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<v Speaker 3>who's got a bit of a temper problem.

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<v Speaker 1>I find, yeah, absolutely in the country, often a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>I think women driving those cars when they're right up

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<v Speaker 1>behind you is even more terrifying than the men.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right outside of shopping center as well. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>with you you got three loads of groceries, the boot

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<v Speaker 3>and three kids. You need to go to a footy training.

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<v Speaker 3>You definitely don't want to get in the way.

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<v Speaker 2>What are lentil stompers?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so the lentil stomper is the birkenstock clog, which

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<v Speaker 3>you definitely see on the foot of someone who's probably

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<v Speaker 3>signing you into your local yoga class or even just

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<v Speaker 3>your local surphy who's got a little disposable income.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got girlfriends who wear them a on the way

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<v Speaker 1>to Pilarate's because the Pilates socks, which have a grip

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<v Speaker 1>on the bottom, can fit in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The other one is look sitting in the quonscious

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<v Speaker 3>lounge at the moment. You're probably going to see someone

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<v Speaker 3>in a pair of mcg gum boots or Mossman gun boots,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the Iron Williams boot, so I think that'll

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<v Speaker 3>also be up there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I've also detected to move into kind of life advice

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<v Speaker 1>though in and out lists, which feel like sort of

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<v Speaker 1>young Jordan Peterson for me before he had a complete meltdown.

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<v Speaker 1>What is in and out this year?

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<v Speaker 3>Big in for cheese and baking cob loafs. All these

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<v Speaker 3>fancy securdary boards can kind of we can forget them.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go back to the basics. The succulent Chinese meal

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<v Speaker 3>is also really important, so it never goes away, never

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<v Speaker 3>goes away. So yeah, Pronto's honey chicken and Mongolian lamb

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<v Speaker 3>is a bigin for this year. I think also like

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<v Speaker 3>who can afford a birthday present these days? So why

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<v Speaker 3>don't you let the money gods decide, you know, what

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<v Speaker 3>a present's worth. I love putting scratches in birthday cards

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<v Speaker 3>or even a scratch in a wishing well for a wedding. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a lot cheaper than giving them two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>bucks is just give them a couple of five dollars

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<v Speaker 3>scratches and let someone else decide how much the present

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<v Speaker 3>should be worth.

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<v Speaker 2>I think wishing well at weddings should be on your

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<v Speaker 2>out list.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it If the flights to get to the wedding

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<v Speaker 3>cost more than my cuff links, I'm not coming, is

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<v Speaker 3>my general view. I also think everyone should just be

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<v Speaker 3>having weddings back at their local bowlow or the golf club.

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<v Speaker 3>Just make it cheaper for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to read to you one of your entries

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<v Speaker 1>from the out list. Developers ripping mcguarts out of great

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<v Speaker 1>old pubs and turning the joint into a bay daycare

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<v Speaker 1>center with fifty eight dollars shar quterie boards and a

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<v Speaker 1>doggie tree menu.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a crime.

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<v Speaker 3>Every pub, particularly in the city, now feels like you're

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<v Speaker 3>walking into the same thing. They all feel like a

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<v Speaker 3>Swedish nursing home. So I firmly. And I spend a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of time outside of the city and there's nothing

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<v Speaker 3>that tickles me and fills me with joy than walking

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<v Speaker 3>into an old fashioned pub that acts like a pub,

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<v Speaker 3>looks like a pub, smells like a pub, and has

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<v Speaker 3>a menu that reads like a pub as well.

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<v Speaker 1>What about Pokey's, So you don't have the charcuterie board,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to have some pokey.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, if you don't have a shock it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a trade off, you know. I think you

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<v Speaker 3>can have them without. But look, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people who like playing the bricks laptop, But I think

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<v Speaker 3>we have to think about those pensioners playing those pianos,

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<v Speaker 3>and yeah, what's it really funding another one?

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<v Speaker 1>I like is feels like to me like an attack

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<v Speaker 1>on your own generation here, and I feel like this

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<v Speaker 1>could get you into some trouble blokes with wimpy little

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<v Speaker 1>mustaches who can start a podcast but can't drive. Manual

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<v Speaker 1>manual drivers are on the way out those you can

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<v Speaker 1>barely get a manual car.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm firmly in the belief that every single person should

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<v Speaker 3>be able to drive a manual car. If able, it's

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<v Speaker 3>able or not, no excuse, there's no excuse. My hot

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<v Speaker 3>take is that if you can't drive a manual car,

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<v Speaker 3>you're actually being quite selfish. Because if you get stuck

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<v Speaker 3>on a road trip somewhere and for whatever reason, you

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<v Speaker 3>need to take over and you say, I actually sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't drive manual, I think, well, what you say

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<v Speaker 3>you on the road trip?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Or you might you dream, you know, my dream might

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<v Speaker 1>come true of getting to drive a big rig or

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<v Speaker 1>a fork lift or something, and they're pretty sure they're

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<v Speaker 1>not automatic. No.

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<v Speaker 3>I think driving manuals it should be really on a

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<v Speaker 3>national test list.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, what about high rocks? What is high rocks?

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<v Speaker 3>High roxyes is new fitness trend. It's a boot camp

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<v Speaker 3>obstacle course. I call it the midlife crisis Olympics. For

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<v Speaker 3>some reason, all the blokes need to do it without

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<v Speaker 3>a shirt on as well.

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<v Speaker 2>At least they've stopped going to yoga, those blokes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's true. I think the yoga classes and the

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<v Speaker 3>plot is classes must be really breathing a sigh of

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<v Speaker 3>a leaf now that all the high rocks brows are

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<v Speaker 3>over on the next door pushing our Christmas sleds, so

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<v Speaker 3>on the battle ropes, on the battle ropes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean shirts are designed to soak up

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<v Speaker 2>the sweat. Isn't that what they're for? Mainly?

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<v Speaker 3>You would think so high Rox it's just cardio for content,

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<v Speaker 3>really y big on my outlist for twenty two reband

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<v Speaker 3>all together, I think so. But then I also think

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<v Speaker 3>we need to put some kind of ticketing system on

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<v Speaker 3>the yoga studio so that the yoga lovers can have

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<v Speaker 3>their down with dogs in peace.

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<v Speaker 1>I like your take on garments as well. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>certain type of puffy jacket that I think you've called

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<v Speaker 1>a wanker's waistcoat.

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<v Speaker 2>Who wears that? And what is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a phenomenal Australia where every middle manager who

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<v Speaker 3>works in corporate seems to feel like they need to

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<v Speaker 3>look like a jackaroo that's dressed up for a funeral

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<v Speaker 3>to go to work. So the puffer vests the north

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<v Speaker 3>face puffer. It's the wanker's waistcoat. Cleeveless, sleeveless, Yeah, sleeveless

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<v Speaker 3>north face puffa. It's usually worn by some guy who's

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<v Speaker 3>also got a pair of iron wounds on for his

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<v Speaker 3>desk job because he's probably got to hurd to me

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<v Speaker 3>e mails.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's a double dinner jacket.

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<v Speaker 3>The dubble dinner jacket is the antithesis of the wanker's waistcoat.

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<v Speaker 3>Double dinner Jacket's the flannel. I think a flannel is

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<v Speaker 3>big in for twenty twenty six. It's the working jacket

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<v Speaker 3>for the common man.

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<v Speaker 2>Has to come from lows us to come from come.

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<v Speaker 3>From fresh out of the packet. You can see a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of trendy stores are trying to kind of, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>gentrify the flannel. Let's leave it to the masks, leave

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<v Speaker 3>it all loose.

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<v Speaker 2>It can't be from Valencia.

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<v Speaker 3>It can't be from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up more of my conversation with lindon what's your

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<v Speaker 1>take on the young men of your generation who really

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<v Speaker 1>have interestingly embraced Instagram is kind of a huge platform

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<v Speaker 1>for them.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the algorithm, or just social media in general,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a pacifier for many, particularly blokes. They're so much

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<v Speaker 3>more comfortable stearing into their phone than they are sitting

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<v Speaker 3>around a group of mates. Phone free. One of my

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<v Speaker 3>beginns for twenty twenty six is phone free beers. People

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<v Speaker 3>are so much more comfortable sending a joke to each

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<v Speaker 3>other online rather than sitting there with their mates and

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<v Speaker 3>actually just copying it a bit, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's so true, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like sending a meme is the new kind of

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<v Speaker 1>coming up with a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah. If we all just sit in my phones

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<v Speaker 3>or day and send each other memes, we've lost that

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<v Speaker 3>ability to sit around with a group of table of

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<v Speaker 3>friends and actually take potshots at each other, which is

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<v Speaker 3>one of the great national pastimes as well, I feel

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<v Speaker 3>and being comfortable with that creativity and language that we're

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<v Speaker 3>kind of sharing around the table as well. Yeah, taking

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<v Speaker 3>the pieces of the entrede to any kind of hard conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Aussie blokes definitely feel more comfortable when they

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<v Speaker 3>start a conversation with a joke or something to lighten

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<v Speaker 3>the mood before they get in anywhere. You know, Ozzie

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<v Speaker 3>Bloke's never good at sitting down from the start and

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<v Speaker 3>be like, hey, we have to have a tough conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>But that just shouldn't be a meme.

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<v Speaker 1>You've created a hugely successful I guess what we would

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<v Speaker 1>call it is side hustle. I hope it's not one

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<v Speaker 1>of your band phrases. But you don't really appear in

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<v Speaker 1>personal in this Instagram page but you could. You could

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<v Speaker 1>turn yourself into an influence and maybe see business that's

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<v Speaker 1>what everybody else is doing. You might have to do

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<v Speaker 1>some squats in the gym with.

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<v Speaker 2>Your phone on, though why not? Why don't you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do that?

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<v Speaker 3>When I started the project, I never set out to

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<v Speaker 3>make a million dollars, So I'm kind of winning from

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<v Speaker 3>day one because you know, I'm not setting that goal

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<v Speaker 3>for me. The watermark of when the page is successful

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<v Speaker 3>is when you just hear the words or see the

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<v Speaker 3>words out and about. I've started on a plane before

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<v Speaker 3>a delayed jet stufflight, and someone behind me i'd never

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<v Speaker 3>met just I overheard him saying it was the He

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<v Speaker 3>called the plane the orange gamble. I remember, had a

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<v Speaker 3>real moment just like God, that's so good that some

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<v Speaker 3>random bloke in Townsville has just picked up that phrase

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<v Speaker 3>from me, posting it whoever, many thousands of kilometers away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an artistic kind of mindset that you've got, rather

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<v Speaker 1>than a proprietary mindset, which is where social media kind

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<v Speaker 1>of takes us. It's like you created an idea, you

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<v Speaker 1>want it to be out there in the world. You

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<v Speaker 1>want people to be into it. Like artists do, rather

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<v Speaker 1>than wanting to sort of send him in.

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<v Speaker 3>Invoice, Tyler, I get so much more joy out of

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<v Speaker 3>someone coming out to me and saying, hey, I absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>love that that phrase he came up with for that,

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<v Speaker 3>or I get the best wafts out of your page

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<v Speaker 3>every morning. That means so much more than you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, selling some teeth white now, which I'll let

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<v Speaker 3>other influences do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks Lindin.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find the Denny Dictionary on Instagram. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>of the Front was hosted by me Claire Harvey and

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<v Speaker 1>produced by Jasper League, whose article on the Denny Dictionary

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<v Speaker 1>is online at the Australian dot com dot a U

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for joining us on the Front this week. Our

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<v Speaker 1>team also includes Kristin amiot Lea, Sam mcglue, Tiffany Dimack

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<v Speaker 1>and Joshua Burton.

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<v Speaker 3>H