Speaker 1: One of the most colorful underworld identities Melbourne seen in
Speaker 1: a long long time.
Speaker 2: This is not a criminal mastermind. This is a lunatic
Speaker 2: kid who does stupid stuff. There were so many attempts
Speaker 2: on his life, so many bullets being sprayed around that
Speaker 2: someone somewhere wisely said this is no good. Somebody will
Speaker 2: be killed.
Speaker 1: Family have become completely fair game in Melbourne's underworld at
Speaker 1: the moment.
Speaker 3: I think one person said when that happened, yeah, no rules,
Speaker 3: anything goes now.
Speaker 2: I'm Andrew rules his life in crimes Big Week in Melbourne.
Speaker 2: Another one bites the dust. He's had various names, this fellow,
Speaker 2: but mostly they call him Sam abdal Rahim. Known around
Speaker 2: the kickboxing circuit, where he was not a great practitioner.
Speaker 2: I don't think as the Punisher, which is probably a
Speaker 2: self appointed name or some promoter made it up. It
Speaker 2: didn't bear much resemblance to his ability. According to my sources,
Speaker 2: he was a man in the middle of the tobacco wars,
Speaker 2: and ultimately he was a dead man walking. He was
Speaker 2: shot dead after several different attempts on his life. Here
Speaker 2: to day to talk about it. Two reporters who have
Speaker 2: followed his career for several years. Olivia Jenkins and Reagan Hodge.
Speaker 2: Where were you, Olivia Jenkins when you heard the news
Speaker 2: that he was no longer with us.
Speaker 3: We were all in the office and we'd received an
Speaker 3: alert that someone had been involved in some sort of incident,
Speaker 3: and we didn't really know much more than that, And
Speaker 3: then tips started filtering through from all sorts of contacts
Speaker 3: and means of communication that it was Sam.
Speaker 2: Have you heard it?
Speaker 3: Sam? Sam's been shot? And it turned out to be
Speaker 3: true because there were a few other names that weren't
Speaker 3: obviously able to be verified weren't him, that were thrown
Speaker 3: into the mix. And then it became pretty clear as
Speaker 3: time went on, and as Reagan Race has.
Speaker 2: Seen that it was him big day at the office.
Speaker 3: Just a little bit. It was really really busy. I mean,
Speaker 3: this guy had nine lives and people had been literally
Speaker 3: gunning for him for years, and he almost had this
Speaker 3: impression that maybe they wouldn't get to him because he'd
Speaker 3: managed to escape every single time.
Speaker 2: You could not blame him when you saw the bullet
Speaker 2: holes in his chest that time.
Speaker 3: It is staggering, which he posted himself as a taunt
Speaker 3: to his enemies.
Speaker 2: It was sort of funny in the dark way, Reagan,
Speaker 2: what was the scene that greeted you when you got
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: It was about eleven o'clock on Tuesday morning, and it
Speaker 1: was a very hostile and volatile situation.
Speaker 2: Did you fit into the situation?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't, not visibly anyway. There were lots of
Speaker 1: his family, friends and associates that just rocked up. They
Speaker 1: had the hands on their heads. They were obviously visibly distraught.
Speaker 1: Some were trying to push their way through the police
Speaker 1: tape and they were being held back by officers. They
Speaker 1: obviously wanted to go as close as they could to
Speaker 1: where abdol Rahim was laying in the car park of
Speaker 1: the Quest, but the police, they had a couple of
Speaker 1: different agencies called in to help guard the scene because
Speaker 1: it was obviously very tense.
Speaker 2: Describe that actual scene. So this is in the car
Speaker 2: park underneath.
Speaker 1: So he was shot in the car park of the
Speaker 1: Quest on High Street in Preston. So that's downstairs, below level,
Speaker 1: away from the public's eye, but still only twenty meters
Speaker 1: away from High Street in busy Preston.
Speaker 2: There's no boom gate or any of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: You do need a fob key to access the below
Speaker 1: ground car park as that's for guests only. So that's
Speaker 1: a good point as to how these alleged killers have
Speaker 1: made their way down there. That's center of the homicide
Speaker 1: squad's major investigation at this point.
Speaker 2: You'd be a little bit interested, would you not? In
Speaker 2: footage and things.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, the coppers said that it was caught on the
Speaker 1: Quest's footage CCTV. Obviously they'll cover the car park, but
Speaker 1: that will be the only footage available to them.
Speaker 2: I see. And what's your guess about what will on
Speaker 2: the footage? She'll be miss well figures with hoods on. Well.
Speaker 1: Yes, we've been told that Abdul Rahim was walking to
Speaker 1: his car at about ten thirty am on Tuesday and
Speaker 1: he was a few steps away from his car. He's
Speaker 1: I think big Mercedes vehicle wagon.
Speaker 2: That's the one. That's the one is a repaired version
Speaker 2: of the one he was shot at in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: or another one.
Speaker 1: He'd have enough money to buy another one.
Speaker 2: I'd do that maybe.
Speaker 1: And then the offenders, and there's potentially up to four
Speaker 1: of them have run at him and just fired a
Speaker 1: number of shots. And that's a quote from Dean Thomas
Speaker 1: from the homicide squad. Yeah, a number of shots impacted him,
Speaker 1: at least two in the head, I believe. And they've
Speaker 1: taken off in their white Porsche very quickly along High Street.
Speaker 2: Was it packed outside the car pack? Do you think
Speaker 2: it wasn't downstairs with them?
Speaker 1: No, it appears that the Porsche had driven downstairs. And
Speaker 1: how they've managed to down there without a four key
Speaker 1: is a mystery at this point in time. But they've
Speaker 1: driven right down there and then driven straight out head
Speaker 1: north over to the neighboring suburb of Reservoir where it
Speaker 1: was torched. It was, and it was a massive blaze
Speaker 1: at the sort of end of this little alleyway for
Speaker 1: a few private residents, and huge amount of flames at
Speaker 1: about midday or eleven o'clock.
Speaker 2: It's a waste of a good car.
Speaker 1: It was a very nice count.
Speaker 2: We should run back through abd Rahim's known feats. I
Speaker 2: think the first time most of us heard of him
Speaker 2: was when he got into that rule at the courts?
Speaker 2: Is that right in two thousand and fifteen or sixteen,
Speaker 2: when he was only twenty three, I think? And I
Speaker 2: can recall that this figure with his shirt torn off,
Speaker 2: big muscly Bluke looked a bit pleased with himself at
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: I thought, yeah, big unit. He shut down the entire
Speaker 3: third floor of the Melbourne Magistrate's Court, which is probably
Speaker 3: the busiest magistrate's court in the state. And yeah, there's
Speaker 3: these pictures and videos of him being let out in handcuffs,
Speaker 3: his shirts being torn off. His dad got swept up
Speaker 3: in the brawl as well. They'll both find that was
Speaker 3: the first time he sort of really burst into the headlines.
Speaker 3: But he wasn't sort of known as the underwelled big
Speaker 3: player or personality and sort of that cult figure that
Speaker 3: he came to have at the time of his death.
Speaker 3: But over the years he did sort of gain a
Speaker 3: profile which really sort of ramped up once he was
Speaker 3: kicked out of the Mongol's Biki Club because he was
Speaker 3: apparently causing too many problems as a member, which he
Speaker 3: had only been for just under a year, or around
Speaker 3: about a year before he was forced out of the club.
Speaker 3: Problem child, It would seem that way.
Speaker 2: Prodigal son spoils lad by the sound of it, interesting
Speaker 2: how the system is fairly tolerant. It strikes me that fight.
Speaker 2: Now you've got a brawl inside the court building. He's
Speaker 2: find something like two thousand dollars and his father seven
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty. Well, you'd think you'd get that for jaywalking.
Speaker 2: I mean, it really is not much of it. I've
Speaker 2: a fine for a pretty serious breach of the peace,
Speaker 2: given that it is a courthouse, it's not a public
Speaker 2: bar somewhere.
Speaker 1: Those pictures of him being escorted out of the court
Speaker 1: into the divvy van have ended up being quite infamous,
Speaker 1: given his shirt was torn off on the inside. He's
Speaker 1: got his muscles out, his tattoos all over him, he's handcuffed,
Speaker 1: he's got half a dozen police attached to him. He's
Speaker 1: got one of his mates trying to come over and
Speaker 1: whisper a few words to him, and he's being whisked away,
Speaker 1: and then he's put into the divvy van on the street.
Speaker 1: It was just chaos. It was infamous.
Speaker 2: Now looking back on it was that his finest moment.
Speaker 2: Did he peak too early? It was a.
Speaker 3: Genuine highlight, his breakout moment.
Speaker 2: That's because he hits a few hurdles. Later on, he
Speaker 2: drives a Ferrari tell me if I'm wrong. Not long
Speaker 2: after that he hits four cars in High Street Preston
Speaker 2: would you believe, because that's the center of the world
Speaker 2: universe hit four cars in a ferrari and he kills
Speaker 2: an innocent person, an eighty eight year old woman. This
Speaker 2: is not a criminal mastermind. This is a lunatic kid
Speaker 2: who does.
Speaker 3: Stupid stuff, and he did go away for it. For
Speaker 3: he did a while. He was out in not that
Speaker 3: much time though, about two and a bit years, accounting
Speaker 3: for time, sir.
Speaker 2: Okuning for time, so he was out the following year.
Speaker 2: I think after they locked him up, I don't think
Speaker 2: the court case came up until twenty and eighteen, was
Speaker 2: sort of delayed, so effectively he was out within eight
Speaker 2: months or something in two thousand and nineteen.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: But the government did try to keep him locked up
Speaker 3: again because once he got out, he was clearly causing
Speaker 3: so many problems that the state considered him to hire
Speaker 3: a risk to be out in the community because of
Speaker 3: the risky pose to the public, so they tried to
Speaker 3: lock him back up.
Speaker 2: Good point, I mean, he was there were so many
Speaker 2: attempts on his life, so many bullets being sprayed around
Speaker 2: that someone somewhere wisely said this, it's no good. Somebody
Speaker 2: will be killed. Let's lock him up again. Then he
Speaker 2: was let out, and he threatened to sue, or he
Speaker 2: did sue the prosecutors of the parole board or somebody,
Speaker 2: I I think the adult Parole Board for wrongful locking up.
Speaker 2: I would have thought parole is only a privilege that
Speaker 2: can be withdrawn at any time, and that when he
Speaker 2: was paroled, he wasn't freed. He was still technically in prison.
Speaker 2: It's just that they let you go outside on strict conditions.
Speaker 2: And yet he felt that he could sue over the
Speaker 2: withdrawal of his parole, which was done to protect the community,
Speaker 2: all of us who might have been shot in or
Speaker 2: run over or God only.
Speaker 3: Knows what may have protected him and.
Speaker 1: May have predicted him and might have been one of
Speaker 1: the safer places to be exactly right.
Speaker 2: Although I hear that his time in jail was quite interesting.
Speaker 2: I have heard that from someone who was in there
Speaker 2: with him. In the what have you heard in the
Speaker 2: map the Metropolitan Assessment Prison, they said a particular chap
Speaker 2: said to me that he was not liked. He was
Speaker 2: not like so much that they had to move him
Speaker 2: from section to section because so many people did not
Speaker 2: like him, and that he double cross people. He rubbed
Speaker 2: people up the wrong way, that he buckled, meaning he
Speaker 2: caved into tougher guys, and that he was a lagger.
Speaker 2: So in jail he was not a big deal at all,
Speaker 2: and the people inside did.
Speaker 1: Not rat him, not very popular.
Speaker 2: So someone during his time in jail, if not at
Speaker 2: another one in the country, apparently hit him in the
Speaker 2: back of the head with a rock.
Speaker 3: That's right. I believe that was when he was taken
Speaker 3: back into custody when his parole was revoked because of
Speaker 3: those same safety concerns, and part of his legal fight
Speaker 3: may have been based on the fact that he was
Speaker 3: put back in carsody and in that time an inmate
Speaker 3: sees that opportunity and beat him with a rock.
Speaker 2: Would that be a jailhouse rock to some it may be?
Speaker 2: I see, yes, I think it was perhaps at Lodden.
Speaker 2: It's a rural prison and they'd probably do some landscaping.
Speaker 2: They've got gardening all sorts of stuff, so maybe they've
Speaker 2: got rock walls or anything, because prisoners need to learn trades. Now,
Speaker 2: many people would assume that you know, his income stream
Speaker 2: is highly illegal. You're not driving out in g wagons
Speaker 2: and ferraris and stuff in your twenties unless you've got
Speaker 2: a legal income. Essentially, unless he was just a very
Speaker 2: very successful young brain surgeon, which I don't think he was.
Speaker 2: Do you think his money came from, you know, tobacco
Speaker 2: or lited tobacco or drugs or what.
Speaker 3: Well, we know he had a range of dealings. The
Speaker 3: extent of his involvement in the tobacco wars has always
Speaker 3: remained a little bit murky, but we do know that
Speaker 3: he had some involvement because a number of shops in
Speaker 3: the northern and western suburbs that were linked to him
Speaker 3: were firebombed a number of times. One of them was
Speaker 3: set on fire I think about three times in the
Speaker 3: space of less than a month. So we know that
Speaker 3: someone was trying to send him a message about his
Speaker 3: involvement and trying to take his share of the market.
Speaker 2: So that's a financial incentive, but also possibly a personal.
Speaker 3: One, that's right. I mean, as we've talked about, his
Speaker 3: list of enemies continued to grow, so any number of
Speaker 3: them could have been trying to warn him or to
Speaker 3: tell him something.
Speaker 2: Regan. If you were listing his enemies, would you go
Speaker 2: with top of the list of chapters in Iraq, who
Speaker 2: dislikes him intensely over a particular shooting.
Speaker 1: If I was a betting man, he would probably be
Speaker 1: at the top of that list at pretty short odds.
Speaker 1: Who's that Kauz m Hamad who's obviously living overseas in
Speaker 1: a raq at the moment, And it's widely believed that well,
Speaker 1: it's known that these two people hate each other, abdol
Speaker 1: Rahim and Hahmad, And it's believed, and it's a wide
Speaker 1: belief that abdul Rahim lured Kaz's mate to a deadly
Speaker 1: shooting at Campbellfield in twenty sixteen. And it's something that
Speaker 1: a lot of abdul Rahim's enemies have never forgotten.
Speaker 2: That was a mister O.
Speaker 1: It was O's at the Campbellfield Plaza, a red Holden
Speaker 1: commodore from memory, just rocks up to the bus stop
Speaker 1: YEP and a group of people jump out and they
Speaker 1: just fire a number of shots at Kadi Oors, killing
Speaker 1: him in front of office works I think it was.
Speaker 1: And it was the middle of the day. It was
Speaker 1: a sunny afternoon, broad daylight.
Speaker 2: Very brutal, very dangerous, that passes by, very brazen, very brazen.
Speaker 2: And the man who was arrested for that and locked
Speaker 2: up from a long long time.
Speaker 3: Is George Morogi notorious crime family founder?
Speaker 2: What's your thoughts about George? Nice bloke?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how nice you can be if you're
Speaker 3: sitting in jail for three decades for murder.
Speaker 2: So George is in prison for a long time, but
Speaker 2: he's known to keep operating outside with the using bowlers
Speaker 2: and you know, lawyers and all sorts of funny people.
Speaker 2: I think George might have been involved in that dreadful thing.
Speaker 2: Did his sisters to get pulled apart or something?
Speaker 3: Yeah, his sister Micheline Moroggie died three or four years
Speaker 3: ago now from complications that were related to COVID. She
Speaker 3: was only relatively young, she was late twenties, early thirties,
Speaker 3: and and she died and as a message to Mroggie,
Speaker 3: her grave was defaced and desecrated a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a terrible thing. And they tried to remove her
Speaker 2: the casket with her body, but they couldn't quite get
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 3: It was a really bold move because oftentimes, you know,
Speaker 3: be that as it mainly underweld and have your dealings.
Speaker 3: Family gets left alone. But this sort of marked a
Speaker 3: new shift in a new way to reach or to
Speaker 3: upset your enemies.
Speaker 2: Absolute almost South American. It's sort of like the Colombians.
Speaker 1: It's probably some of the wildest scenes that Melbourne had
Speaker 1: seen in the sort of criminal underworld. To go to
Speaker 1: that extent, it just beggars belief.
Speaker 2: Absolutely never heard of that stuff in the old I
Speaker 2: never heard of anything like that. Pretty stayed on those
Speaker 2: sort of things.
Speaker 3: Well, that sort of thing had ramped up in the
Speaker 3: last couple of years and that was probably the first
Speaker 3: really major incident where family had been brought into the
Speaker 3: dealings of the underworld. And we saw it again when
Speaker 3: the killers who tried to kill Sam again in May
Speaker 3: last year, when they shot at him seventeen times and
Speaker 3: missed all times. That was only after they had set
Speaker 3: his parents' cars on fire while they were parked outside
Speaker 3: their house in Brunswick. So whoever planned that attack knew
Speaker 3: about that relation and how important his family was to
Speaker 3: him to get him out of the house, and it worked.
Speaker 3: And granted that hit was unsuccessed, it did lure him
Speaker 3: out of the house and it did put him directly
Speaker 3: in the firing line as a result of going after
Speaker 3: his family.
Speaker 2: Basically used his parents in a sense as bait, a
Speaker 2: bit like towing up the nanny goat in the jungle
Speaker 2: for the.
Speaker 1: Tiger family have become completely fair game in Melbourne' underworld
Speaker 1: at the moment.
Speaker 3: I think one person said when that happened, Yeah, no rules,
Speaker 3: anything goes now.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they'll put that one back in the
Speaker 2: box now and leave it alone. What are your thoughts
Speaker 2: about the future of this story. Do you feel that
Speaker 2: there'll be any retaliation or that it might fizzle?
Speaker 1: Well, maybe not, because they've been hell bent on killing
Speaker 1: Abdul Rahim for years now and they've done the job,
Speaker 1: as we've seen multiple fire bombings at places he's associated with,
Speaker 1: multiple attempts on his life where you can count four,
Speaker 1: five or six of them. They're ending now because they've
Speaker 1: killed him at Preston, So those you could estimate that
Speaker 1: that would come to a close. Whether there's retaliation attacks,
Speaker 1: I'd say there's no evidence to suggest that that's a
Speaker 1: real threat at the moment. I mean, it's really hard
Speaker 1: to tell, isn't it.
Speaker 2: But his sister could get angry and say things, But
Speaker 2: what she going to do hit somebody with a high
Speaker 2: hill shirt, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, she's got her theories and maybe some of
Speaker 3: his foot soldiers in that game that he sort of
Speaker 3: tried to research. I mean, all of that sort of
Speaker 3: hangs in the balance now because he really was the
Speaker 3: guy who's spearheaded the rere Surchers of Brothers for Life,
Speaker 3: which was the once defunct Sydney game. But he sort
Speaker 3: of adopted that name and tried to get it going
Speaker 3: again here. But that's to be seen.
Speaker 2: They strike great, Wasn't great? Was it? If you think
Speaker 2: about her over the about you know, almost a decade
Speaker 2: we've had I don't know how many maybe a dozen
Speaker 2: people involved in trying to kill him, and how many
Speaker 2: shots you reckon have been fired out him all up.
Speaker 3: Bullets, hundred, A lot of guns been procured for the
Speaker 3: century of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seventeen at Thomastown. I think in one night all
Speaker 1: missed ate at the funeral and then a number of
Speaker 1: shots are pressed and so there's a few just on
Speaker 1: those three attempts.
Speaker 2: That remarkable funeral thing where they ambushed him in his
Speaker 2: g wagon when he was in.
Speaker 1: The Q slow Q of cars procession.
Speaker 2: Coming out of the funeral was his cousin's funeral. Do
Speaker 2: you believe that those bullets did not penetrate his chest
Speaker 2: because they are at an angle and sort of skipped off.
Speaker 2: They weren't direct on Or was it to do with
Speaker 2: the very fine glass in the g wagon.
Speaker 1: Or what the photos he uploaded to social media as
Speaker 1: we touched on before they looked to have penetrated him.
Speaker 1: They were pretty clear, four or five big holes in
Speaker 1: his chest left and right side. Yeah, well, yeah, they
Speaker 1: hadn't just grazed him.
Speaker 2: I couldn't work out.
Speaker 1: It is one of the most mind boggling pictures to
Speaker 1: see that he survived that across the left side and
Speaker 1: the right side, that number of bullets in his chest
Speaker 1: and none of them killed him or I.
Speaker 3: Mean, we might have to a doctor, But I mean
Speaker 3: the amount of muscle that he gained when he first
Speaker 3: burst on the scene. In those photos that we were
Speaker 3: talking about outside the court, he was already a very
Speaker 3: big figure, yes then, and he only got bigger as
Speaker 3: he picked up more titles and trained harder. I don't
Speaker 3: know if that would have anything to do with it
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: You would wonder whether this is a vote for steroids
Speaker 2: and human growth, Houlman, because maybe if you had enough
Speaker 2: of it on your chest, it might stop a bullet.
Speaker 1: I went to his return fight. I think it was
Speaker 1: out at Thomastown as well, just a few months after
Speaker 1: that funeral shooting. He won, He belted the bloke and
Speaker 1: he just looked invincible. And that was only a few
Speaker 1: months after he had had eight bullets in his chest
Speaker 1: and he's come back. He trained every day, obviously, and
Speaker 1: he just demolished this bloke in the ring. He had
Speaker 1: a lot of supporters there, colorful characters out at Thomastown
Speaker 1: on this Saturday night. But just remarkable how he was
Speaker 1: able to come back and win as well.
Speaker 3: The scars quite prominent as well. They're relatively deep. They
Speaker 3: sort of sit underneath that large tattoo that he's got
Speaker 3: all the way across his chest, but they take up
Speaker 3: probably the width of his chest as well.
Speaker 2: Fair bit of real estate.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating thing whether steroids can save him. You
Speaker 2: might have heard this or you might not have, but
Speaker 2: the thought that Carl Williams was saved on his twenty
Speaker 2: ninth birthday by the fact that he ate so much
Speaker 2: red rooster, that he had so much padding on his tummy.
Speaker 2: That little twenty two slug that was shot into him,
Speaker 2: only went in about that far.
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of protection, a lot.
Speaker 2: Of protection, and he walked home. They say fast food
Speaker 2: will kill you, but sometimes it saves him. Now, Olivia,
Speaker 2: I think you might have dressed very demurely and gone
Speaker 2: to the sam abdol Rahim funeral. How was it?
Speaker 3: It was a relatively subdued affair. There was a large crowd,
Speaker 3: and it was tense because there was a very large
Speaker 3: media pack outside given the notoriety of the punisher, and
Speaker 3: his mum and dad were there. They were distraught. He
Speaker 3: had a lot of friends and close associates who went
Speaker 3: to the mosque in Epping for a ceremonial farewell there
Speaker 3: and then the procession, which was led by a sort
Speaker 3: of a series of motorcycles and some bouquets of flowers
Speaker 3: that spelt out his nickname Sooner, which is what his
Speaker 3: close friends and family referred to him as. And the
Speaker 3: Hearst then traveled to Forkner Cemetery, which, as we now know,
Speaker 3: was the place where one of the attempted hits on
Speaker 3: his life also took place as he left his cousin's funeral,
Speaker 3: and now that is his final resting place.
Speaker 2: And that totally less than three years ago.
Speaker 3: It was June twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Were there a heavy police presence at the funeral this week?
Speaker 2: What was that like?
Speaker 3: There was a car, a police car at every single
Speaker 3: entrance of the cemetery. I don't know how well people
Speaker 3: know that area, but it's a very large memorial park.
Speaker 3: It's almost split into two, with some main roads traveling
Speaker 3: between it. And when you are looking for the correct
Speaker 3: entrance to travel into fair Well someone, you do pass
Speaker 3: a number of different gates and at every single one
Speaker 3: of those there was a police car. And there were
Speaker 3: unmarked cars in the side streets as well, because as
Speaker 3: people poured out of the mosque, you really did get
Speaker 3: a sense of how many people did come to farewell him.
Speaker 3: There were several hundred people there, and given the tense
Speaker 3: energy around the nature of his death and the fear
Speaker 3: of or maybe not so much of reprisals but the
Speaker 3: killers on the run, there was a sense of something
Speaker 3: might happen. It didn't and they were able to farewell
Speaker 3: him in peace and remember him, but there was always
Speaker 3: that sense of something's happening at that place over there
Speaker 3: where all the cars are.
Speaker 2: True, the police would have to calculate that it's conceivable
Speaker 2: that the other side, the bad guys might follow up
Speaker 2: with something just to rub it in. You can't blame
Speaker 2: them for and in fact the police presence might have
Speaker 2: assisted in.
Speaker 1: That area possibly, although Olivia said that wasn't overdone and
Speaker 1: they didn't sort of take over. They didn't want to
Speaker 1: interrupt anything but imposing.
Speaker 3: Definitely, there definitely a potential deterrent.
Speaker 2: Good service. What sort of service if you're a Muslim
Speaker 2: gangster in Melbourne and you go out in a hal
Speaker 2: of bullets? What's the service like?
Speaker 1: And a quick one? It was only a couple of days.
Speaker 1: He was buried on Thursday and he was shot on Tuesday, which.
Speaker 3: Is in line with Muslim unburial customs. It does happen
Speaker 3: rather quickly.
Speaker 2: It tends to be a Middle Eastern thing, come from
Speaker 2: thousands of years of hot places, and the Jewish customs
Speaker 2: are similar. So to wrap up, then, folks, who was Sam?
Speaker 2: How big a deal was he? And how will he
Speaker 2: be remembered? Your first Reagan?
Speaker 1: He was one of the most colorful underworld identities Melbourne
Speaker 1: seen in a long long time. He just seemed to
Speaker 1: have so many lives. He was evasive, he loved the spotlight.
Speaker 1: I mean, he got his muscles out, his tattoos. He
Speaker 1: would go on social media and almost take the mickey
Speaker 1: out of his rivals, but that would almost ultimately bring
Speaker 1: his downfall this week at Preston. But one of the
Speaker 1: most colorful identities we've seen in a long time Olivia.
Speaker 3: To me, he's almost reminiscent of the gang Lame that
Speaker 3: were a bit before our time two decades ago. The
Speaker 3: sort of profile that he amassed, you know, actively taunting
Speaker 3: his enemies, these public you know, fire bombings, shootings, fatal
Speaker 3: and non fatal, all linked to him, and just this
Speaker 3: singular person he just sort of is this, you know,
Speaker 3: all incomsting figure and all on his own. And some
Speaker 3: people will tell you his charismatic. Some people will tell
Speaker 3: you he had a short fuse. Others say he's loving.
Speaker 3: Others will would probably call him a dog, And it
Speaker 3: depends on who you ask.
Speaker 2: And all of it a little bit true. Thanks for
Speaker 2: dropping in and helping us with that. It's great to
Speaker 2: talk to people who've been out on the street wearing.
Speaker 3: Out shoe leather anytime.
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