1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: One of the most colorful underworld identities Melbourne seen in 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: a long long time. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: This is not a criminal mastermind. This is a lunatic 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 2: kid who does stupid stuff. There were so many attempts 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: on his life, so many bullets being sprayed around that 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: someone somewhere wisely said this is no good. Somebody will 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: be killed. 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: Family have become completely fair game in Melbourne's underworld at 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: the moment. 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 3: I think one person said when that happened, yeah, no rules, 11 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 3: anything goes now. 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: I'm Andrew rules his life in crimes Big Week in Melbourne. 13 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: Another one bites the dust. He's had various names, this fellow, 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: but mostly they call him Sam abdal Rahim. Known around 15 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: the kickboxing circuit, where he was not a great practitioner. 16 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: I don't think as the Punisher, which is probably a 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: self appointed name or some promoter made it up. It 18 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: didn't bear much resemblance to his ability. According to my sources, 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: he was a man in the middle of the tobacco wars, 20 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: and ultimately he was a dead man walking. He was 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: shot dead after several different attempts on his life. Here 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: to day to talk about it. Two reporters who have 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: followed his career for several years. Olivia Jenkins and Reagan Hodge. 24 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: Where were you, Olivia Jenkins when you heard the news 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: that he was no longer with us. 26 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 3: We were all in the office and we'd received an 27 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 3: alert that someone had been involved in some sort of incident, 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: and we didn't really know much more than that, And 29 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: then tips started filtering through from all sorts of contacts 30 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: and means of communication that it was Sam. 31 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: Have you heard it? 32 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 3: Sam? Sam's been shot? And it turned out to be 33 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 3: true because there were a few other names that weren't 34 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 3: obviously able to be verified weren't him, that were thrown 35 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 3: into the mix. And then it became pretty clear as 36 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: time went on, and as Reagan Race has. 37 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: Seen that it was him big day at the office. 38 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: Just a little bit. It was really really busy. I mean, 39 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: this guy had nine lives and people had been literally 40 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: gunning for him for years, and he almost had this 41 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 3: impression that maybe they wouldn't get to him because he'd 42 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: managed to escape every single time. 43 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: You could not blame him when you saw the bullet 44 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 2: holes in his chest that time. 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 3: It is staggering, which he posted himself as a taunt 46 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 3: to his enemies. 47 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: It was sort of funny in the dark way, Reagan, 48 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: what was the scene that greeted you when you got 49 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: out there. 50 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: It was about eleven o'clock on Tuesday morning, and it 51 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: was a very hostile and volatile situation. 52 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 2: Did you fit into the situation? 53 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: No, I didn't, not visibly anyway. There were lots of 54 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: his family, friends and associates that just rocked up. They 55 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: had the hands on their heads. They were obviously visibly distraught. 56 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: Some were trying to push their way through the police 57 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: tape and they were being held back by officers. They 58 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: obviously wanted to go as close as they could to 59 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: where abdol Rahim was laying in the car park of 60 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: the Quest, but the police, they had a couple of 61 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: different agencies called in to help guard the scene because 62 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: it was obviously very tense. 63 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: Describe that actual scene. So this is in the car 64 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 2: park underneath. 65 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: So he was shot in the car park of the 66 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: Quest on High Street in Preston. So that's downstairs, below level, 67 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: away from the public's eye, but still only twenty meters 68 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: away from High Street in busy Preston. 69 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 2: There's no boom gate or any of that sort of stuff. 70 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: You do need a fob key to access the below 71 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: ground car park as that's for guests only. So that's 72 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: a good point as to how these alleged killers have 73 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: made their way down there. That's center of the homicide 74 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: squad's major investigation at this point. 75 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: You'd be a little bit interested, would you not? In 76 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: footage and things. 77 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely, the coppers said that it was caught on the 78 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: Quest's footage CCTV. Obviously they'll cover the car park, but 79 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: that will be the only footage available to them. 80 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: I see. And what's your guess about what will on 81 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: the footage? She'll be miss well figures with hoods on. Well. 82 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: Yes, we've been told that Abdul Rahim was walking to 83 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: his car at about ten thirty am on Tuesday and 84 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: he was a few steps away from his car. He's 85 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: I think big Mercedes vehicle wagon. 86 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: That's the one. That's the one is a repaired version 87 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 2: of the one he was shot at in twenty twenty two, 88 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: or another one. 89 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: He'd have enough money to buy another one. 90 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: I'd do that maybe. 91 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: And then the offenders, and there's potentially up to four 92 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: of them have run at him and just fired a 93 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: number of shots. And that's a quote from Dean Thomas 94 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: from the homicide squad. Yeah, a number of shots impacted him, 95 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: at least two in the head, I believe. And they've 96 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: taken off in their white Porsche very quickly along High Street. 97 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: Was it packed outside the car pack? Do you think 98 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: it wasn't downstairs with them? 99 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: No, it appears that the Porsche had driven downstairs. And 100 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: how they've managed to down there without a four key 101 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: is a mystery at this point in time. But they've 102 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: driven right down there and then driven straight out head 103 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: north over to the neighboring suburb of Reservoir where it 104 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: was torched. It was, and it was a massive blaze 105 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: at the sort of end of this little alleyway for 106 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: a few private residents, and huge amount of flames at 107 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: about midday or eleven o'clock. 108 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 2: It's a waste of a good car. 109 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: It was a very nice count. 110 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: We should run back through abd Rahim's known feats. I 111 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: think the first time most of us heard of him 112 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: was when he got into that rule at the courts? 113 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: Is that right in two thousand and fifteen or sixteen, 114 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: when he was only twenty three, I think? And I 115 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: can recall that this figure with his shirt torn off, 116 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: big muscly Bluke looked a bit pleased with himself at 117 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: the time. 118 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: I thought, yeah, big unit. He shut down the entire 119 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: third floor of the Melbourne Magistrate's Court, which is probably 120 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 3: the busiest magistrate's court in the state. And yeah, there's 121 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 3: these pictures and videos of him being let out in handcuffs, 122 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 3: his shirts being torn off. His dad got swept up 123 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 3: in the brawl as well. They'll both find that was 124 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: the first time he sort of really burst into the headlines. 125 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: But he wasn't sort of known as the underwelled big 126 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: player or personality and sort of that cult figure that 127 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: he came to have at the time of his death. 128 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 3: But over the years he did sort of gain a 129 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: profile which really sort of ramped up once he was 130 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 3: kicked out of the Mongol's Biki Club because he was 131 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 3: apparently causing too many problems as a member, which he 132 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 3: had only been for just under a year, or around 133 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 3: about a year before he was forced out of the club. 134 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: Problem child, It would seem that way. 135 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: Prodigal son spoils lad by the sound of it, interesting 136 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: how the system is fairly tolerant. It strikes me that fight. 137 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: Now you've got a brawl inside the court building. He's 138 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: find something like two thousand dollars and his father seven 139 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty. Well, you'd think you'd get that for jaywalking. 140 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: I mean, it really is not much of it. I've 141 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: a fine for a pretty serious breach of the peace, 142 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: given that it is a courthouse, it's not a public 143 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: bar somewhere. 144 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: Those pictures of him being escorted out of the court 145 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: into the divvy van have ended up being quite infamous, 146 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: given his shirt was torn off on the inside. He's 147 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: got his muscles out, his tattoos all over him, he's handcuffed, 148 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: he's got half a dozen police attached to him. He's 149 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: got one of his mates trying to come over and 150 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: whisper a few words to him, and he's being whisked away, 151 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: and then he's put into the divvy van on the street. 152 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: It was just chaos. It was infamous. 153 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: Now looking back on it was that his finest moment. 154 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: Did he peak too early? It was a. 155 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 3: Genuine highlight, his breakout moment. 156 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: That's because he hits a few hurdles. Later on, he 157 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: drives a Ferrari tell me if I'm wrong. Not long 158 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: after that he hits four cars in High Street Preston 159 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: would you believe, because that's the center of the world 160 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: universe hit four cars in a ferrari and he kills 161 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: an innocent person, an eighty eight year old woman. This 162 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: is not a criminal mastermind. This is a lunatic kid 163 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: who does. 164 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: Stupid stuff, and he did go away for it. For 165 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: he did a while. He was out in not that 166 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: much time though, about two and a bit years, accounting 167 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: for time, sir. 168 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: Okuning for time, so he was out the following year. 169 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: I think after they locked him up, I don't think 170 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: the court case came up until twenty and eighteen, was 171 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: sort of delayed, so effectively he was out within eight 172 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: months or something in two thousand and nineteen. 173 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: That's right. 174 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: But the government did try to keep him locked up 175 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: again because once he got out, he was clearly causing 176 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: so many problems that the state considered him to hire 177 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 3: a risk to be out in the community because of 178 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 3: the risky pose to the public, so they tried to 179 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: lock him back up. 180 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: Good point, I mean, he was there were so many 181 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: attempts on his life, so many bullets being sprayed around 182 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: that someone somewhere wisely said this, it's no good. Somebody 183 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: will be killed. Let's lock him up again. Then he 184 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: was let out, and he threatened to sue, or he 185 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: did sue the prosecutors of the parole board or somebody, 186 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: I I think the adult Parole Board for wrongful locking up. 187 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: I would have thought parole is only a privilege that 188 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: can be withdrawn at any time, and that when he 189 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: was paroled, he wasn't freed. He was still technically in prison. 190 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 2: It's just that they let you go outside on strict conditions. 191 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: And yet he felt that he could sue over the 192 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 2: withdrawal of his parole, which was done to protect the community, 193 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: all of us who might have been shot in or 194 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: run over or God only. 195 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 3: Knows what may have protected him and. 196 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: May have predicted him and might have been one of 197 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: the safer places to be exactly right. 198 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: Although I hear that his time in jail was quite interesting. 199 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: I have heard that from someone who was in there 200 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: with him. In the what have you heard in the 201 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: map the Metropolitan Assessment Prison, they said a particular chap 202 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: said to me that he was not liked. He was 203 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: not like so much that they had to move him 204 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: from section to section because so many people did not 205 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: like him, and that he double cross people. He rubbed 206 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: people up the wrong way, that he buckled, meaning he 207 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: caved into tougher guys, and that he was a lagger. 208 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: So in jail he was not a big deal at all, 209 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: and the people inside did. 210 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: Not rat him, not very popular. 211 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 2: So someone during his time in jail, if not at 212 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: another one in the country, apparently hit him in the 213 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: back of the head with a rock. 214 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 3: That's right. I believe that was when he was taken 215 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 3: back into custody when his parole was revoked because of 216 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 3: those same safety concerns, and part of his legal fight 217 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 3: may have been based on the fact that he was 218 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 3: put back in carsody and in that time an inmate 219 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 3: sees that opportunity and beat him with a rock. 220 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: Would that be a jailhouse rock to some it may be? 221 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: I see, yes, I think it was perhaps at Lodden. 222 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: It's a rural prison and they'd probably do some landscaping. 223 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: They've got gardening all sorts of stuff, so maybe they've 224 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: got rock walls or anything, because prisoners need to learn trades. Now, 225 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: many people would assume that you know, his income stream 226 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: is highly illegal. You're not driving out in g wagons 227 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: and ferraris and stuff in your twenties unless you've got 228 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: a legal income. Essentially, unless he was just a very 229 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: very successful young brain surgeon, which I don't think he was. 230 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: Do you think his money came from, you know, tobacco 231 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 2: or lited tobacco or drugs or what. 232 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: Well, we know he had a range of dealings. The 233 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: extent of his involvement in the tobacco wars has always 234 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: remained a little bit murky, but we do know that 235 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: he had some involvement because a number of shops in 236 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 3: the northern and western suburbs that were linked to him 237 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: were firebombed a number of times. One of them was 238 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: set on fire I think about three times in the 239 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 3: space of less than a month. So we know that 240 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 3: someone was trying to send him a message about his 241 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: involvement and trying to take his share of the market. 242 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: So that's a financial incentive, but also possibly a personal. 243 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: One, that's right. I mean, as we've talked about, his 244 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: list of enemies continued to grow, so any number of 245 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: them could have been trying to warn him or to 246 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: tell him something. 247 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: Regan. If you were listing his enemies, would you go 248 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: with top of the list of chapters in Iraq, who 249 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: dislikes him intensely over a particular shooting. 250 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: If I was a betting man, he would probably be 251 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: at the top of that list at pretty short odds. 252 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: Who's that Kauz m Hamad who's obviously living overseas in 253 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: a raq at the moment, And it's widely believed that well, 254 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: it's known that these two people hate each other, abdol 255 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: Rahim and Hahmad, And it's believed, and it's a wide 256 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: belief that abdul Rahim lured Kaz's mate to a deadly 257 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 1: shooting at Campbellfield in twenty sixteen. And it's something that 258 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: a lot of abdul Rahim's enemies have never forgotten. 259 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: That was a mister O. 260 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: It was O's at the Campbellfield Plaza, a red Holden 261 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: commodore from memory, just rocks up to the bus stop 262 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: YEP and a group of people jump out and they 263 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: just fire a number of shots at Kadi Oors, killing 264 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: him in front of office works I think it was. 265 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: And it was the middle of the day. It was 266 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: a sunny afternoon, broad daylight. 267 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 2: Very brutal, very dangerous, that passes by, very brazen, very brazen. 268 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: And the man who was arrested for that and locked 269 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 2: up from a long long time. 270 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 3: Is George Morogi notorious crime family founder? 271 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: What's your thoughts about George? Nice bloke? 272 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 3: I'm not sure how nice you can be if you're 273 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: sitting in jail for three decades for murder. 274 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: So George is in prison for a long time, but 275 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: he's known to keep operating outside with the using bowlers 276 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 2: and you know, lawyers and all sorts of funny people. 277 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: I think George might have been involved in that dreadful thing. 278 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: Did his sisters to get pulled apart or something? 279 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, his sister Micheline Moroggie died three or four years 280 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: ago now from complications that were related to COVID. She 281 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 3: was only relatively young, she was late twenties, early thirties, 282 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 3: and and she died and as a message to Mroggie, 283 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 3: her grave was defaced and desecrated a couple of years ago. 284 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, a terrible thing. And they tried to remove her 285 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: the casket with her body, but they couldn't quite get 286 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: it out. 287 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: It was a really bold move because oftentimes, you know, 288 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 3: be that as it mainly underweld and have your dealings. 289 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: Family gets left alone. But this sort of marked a 290 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 3: new shift in a new way to reach or to 291 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: upset your enemies. 292 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: Absolute almost South American. It's sort of like the Colombians. 293 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: It's probably some of the wildest scenes that Melbourne had 294 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: seen in the sort of criminal underworld. To go to 295 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: that extent, it just beggars belief. 296 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely never heard of that stuff in the old I 297 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: never heard of anything like that. Pretty stayed on those 298 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: sort of things. 299 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 3: Well, that sort of thing had ramped up in the 300 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: last couple of years and that was probably the first 301 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: really major incident where family had been brought into the 302 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: dealings of the underworld. And we saw it again when 303 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 3: the killers who tried to kill Sam again in May 304 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 3: last year, when they shot at him seventeen times and 305 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: missed all times. That was only after they had set 306 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 3: his parents' cars on fire while they were parked outside 307 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 3: their house in Brunswick. So whoever planned that attack knew 308 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: about that relation and how important his family was to 309 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: him to get him out of the house, and it worked. 310 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 3: And granted that hit was unsuccessed, it did lure him 311 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 3: out of the house and it did put him directly 312 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: in the firing line as a result of going after 313 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 3: his family. 314 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: Basically used his parents in a sense as bait, a 315 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: bit like towing up the nanny goat in the jungle 316 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: for the. 317 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: Tiger family have become completely fair game in Melbourne' underworld 318 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: at the moment. 319 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: I think one person said when that happened, Yeah, no rules, 320 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: anything goes now. 321 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: I wonder if they'll put that one back in the 322 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: box now and leave it alone. What are your thoughts 323 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: about the future of this story. Do you feel that 324 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: there'll be any retaliation or that it might fizzle? 325 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: Well, maybe not, because they've been hell bent on killing 326 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: Abdul Rahim for years now and they've done the job, 327 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: as we've seen multiple fire bombings at places he's associated with, 328 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: multiple attempts on his life where you can count four, 329 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: five or six of them. They're ending now because they've 330 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: killed him at Preston, So those you could estimate that 331 00:16:55,320 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: that would come to a close. Whether there's retaliation attacks, 332 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: I'd say there's no evidence to suggest that that's a 333 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: real threat at the moment. I mean, it's really hard 334 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: to tell, isn't it. 335 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: But his sister could get angry and say things, But 336 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 2: what she going to do hit somebody with a high 337 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: hill shirt, I'm not sure. 338 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, she's got her theories and maybe some of 339 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: his foot soldiers in that game that he sort of 340 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 3: tried to research. I mean, all of that sort of 341 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: hangs in the balance now because he really was the 342 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 3: guy who's spearheaded the rere Surchers of Brothers for Life, 343 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 3: which was the once defunct Sydney game. But he sort 344 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 3: of adopted that name and tried to get it going 345 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 3: again here. But that's to be seen. 346 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: They strike great, Wasn't great? Was it? If you think 347 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 2: about her over the about you know, almost a decade 348 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: we've had I don't know how many maybe a dozen 349 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: people involved in trying to kill him, and how many 350 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 2: shots you reckon have been fired out him all up. 351 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: Bullets, hundred, A lot of guns been procured for the 352 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: century of him. 353 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, seventeen at Thomastown. I think in one night all 354 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: missed ate at the funeral and then a number of 355 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: shots are pressed and so there's a few just on 356 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: those three attempts. 357 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 2: That remarkable funeral thing where they ambushed him in his 358 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: g wagon when he was in. 359 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: The Q slow Q of cars procession. 360 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: Coming out of the funeral was his cousin's funeral. Do 361 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: you believe that those bullets did not penetrate his chest 362 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: because they are at an angle and sort of skipped off. 363 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 2: They weren't direct on Or was it to do with 364 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: the very fine glass in the g wagon. 365 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: Or what the photos he uploaded to social media as 366 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: we touched on before they looked to have penetrated him. 367 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: They were pretty clear, four or five big holes in 368 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: his chest left and right side. Yeah, well, yeah, they 369 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: hadn't just grazed him. 370 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: I couldn't work out. 371 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: It is one of the most mind boggling pictures to 372 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: see that he survived that across the left side and 373 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: the right side, that number of bullets in his chest 374 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: and none of them killed him or I. 375 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 3: Mean, we might have to a doctor, But I mean 376 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: the amount of muscle that he gained when he first 377 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: burst on the scene. In those photos that we were 378 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 3: talking about outside the court, he was already a very 379 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 3: big figure, yes then, and he only got bigger as 380 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 3: he picked up more titles and trained harder. I don't 381 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 3: know if that would have anything to do with it 382 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 3: as well. 383 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: You would wonder whether this is a vote for steroids 384 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 2: and human growth, Houlman, because maybe if you had enough 385 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 2: of it on your chest, it might stop a bullet. 386 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: I went to his return fight. I think it was 387 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: out at Thomastown as well, just a few months after 388 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: that funeral shooting. He won, He belted the bloke and 389 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: he just looked invincible. And that was only a few 390 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: months after he had had eight bullets in his chest 391 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: and he's come back. He trained every day, obviously, and 392 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: he just demolished this bloke in the ring. He had 393 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: a lot of supporters there, colorful characters out at Thomastown 394 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: on this Saturday night. But just remarkable how he was 395 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: able to come back and win as well. 396 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: The scars quite prominent as well. They're relatively deep. They 397 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: sort of sit underneath that large tattoo that he's got 398 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 3: all the way across his chest, but they take up 399 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 3: probably the width of his chest as well. 400 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: Fair bit of real estate. 401 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 3: That's right. 402 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 2: It's a fascinating thing whether steroids can save him. You 403 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: might have heard this or you might not have, but 404 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: the thought that Carl Williams was saved on his twenty 405 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: ninth birthday by the fact that he ate so much 406 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: red rooster, that he had so much padding on his tummy. 407 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: That little twenty two slug that was shot into him, 408 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: only went in about that far. 409 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: He's got a lot of protection, a lot. 410 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: Of protection, and he walked home. They say fast food 411 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 2: will kill you, but sometimes it saves him. Now, Olivia, 412 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: I think you might have dressed very demurely and gone 413 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 2: to the sam abdol Rahim funeral. How was it? 414 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 3: It was a relatively subdued affair. There was a large crowd, 415 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 3: and it was tense because there was a very large 416 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: media pack outside given the notoriety of the punisher, and 417 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 3: his mum and dad were there. They were distraught. He 418 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 3: had a lot of friends and close associates who went 419 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 3: to the mosque in Epping for a ceremonial farewell there 420 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 3: and then the procession, which was led by a sort 421 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 3: of a series of motorcycles and some bouquets of flowers 422 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 3: that spelt out his nickname Sooner, which is what his 423 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 3: close friends and family referred to him as. And the 424 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 3: Hearst then traveled to Forkner Cemetery, which, as we now know, 425 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 3: was the place where one of the attempted hits on 426 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 3: his life also took place as he left his cousin's funeral, 427 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 3: and now that is his final resting place. 428 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: And that totally less than three years ago. 429 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 3: It was June twenty twenty two. 430 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: Were there a heavy police presence at the funeral this week? 431 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 2: What was that like? 432 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 3: There was a car, a police car at every single 433 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 3: entrance of the cemetery. I don't know how well people 434 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 3: know that area, but it's a very large memorial park. 435 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: It's almost split into two, with some main roads traveling 436 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 3: between it. And when you are looking for the correct 437 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 3: entrance to travel into fair Well someone, you do pass 438 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 3: a number of different gates and at every single one 439 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 3: of those there was a police car. And there were 440 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: unmarked cars in the side streets as well, because as 441 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: people poured out of the mosque, you really did get 442 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 3: a sense of how many people did come to farewell him. 443 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 3: There were several hundred people there, and given the tense 444 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 3: energy around the nature of his death and the fear 445 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 3: of or maybe not so much of reprisals but the 446 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 3: killers on the run, there was a sense of something 447 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 3: might happen. It didn't and they were able to farewell 448 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: him in peace and remember him, but there was always 449 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 3: that sense of something's happening at that place over there 450 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 3: where all the cars are. 451 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 2: True, the police would have to calculate that it's conceivable 452 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 2: that the other side, the bad guys might follow up 453 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: with something just to rub it in. You can't blame 454 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: them for and in fact the police presence might have 455 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 2: assisted in. 456 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: That area possibly, although Olivia said that wasn't overdone and 457 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: they didn't sort of take over. They didn't want to 458 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: interrupt anything but imposing. 459 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 3: Definitely, there definitely a potential deterrent. 460 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: Good service. What sort of service if you're a Muslim 461 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: gangster in Melbourne and you go out in a hal 462 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: of bullets? What's the service like? 463 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,479 Speaker 1: And a quick one? It was only a couple of days. 464 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: He was buried on Thursday and he was shot on Tuesday, which. 465 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: Is in line with Muslim unburial customs. It does happen 466 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 3: rather quickly. 467 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: It tends to be a Middle Eastern thing, come from 468 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: thousands of years of hot places, and the Jewish customs 469 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: are similar. So to wrap up, then, folks, who was Sam? 470 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 2: How big a deal was he? And how will he 471 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: be remembered? Your first Reagan? 472 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: He was one of the most colorful underworld identities Melbourne 473 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: seen in a long long time. He just seemed to 474 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: have so many lives. He was evasive, he loved the spotlight. 475 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: I mean, he got his muscles out, his tattoos. He 476 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: would go on social media and almost take the mickey 477 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: out of his rivals, but that would almost ultimately bring 478 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: his downfall this week at Preston. But one of the 479 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: most colorful identities we've seen in a long time Olivia. 480 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 3: To me, he's almost reminiscent of the gang Lame that 481 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 3: were a bit before our time two decades ago. The 482 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 3: sort of profile that he amassed, you know, actively taunting 483 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 3: his enemies, these public you know, fire bombings, shootings, fatal 484 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 3: and non fatal, all linked to him, and just this 485 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 3: singular person he just sort of is this, you know, 486 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 3: all incomsting figure and all on his own. And some 487 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 3: people will tell you his charismatic. Some people will tell 488 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 3: you he had a short fuse. Others say he's loving. 489 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: Others will would probably call him a dog, And it 490 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 3: depends on who you ask. 491 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: And all of it a little bit true. Thanks for 492 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 2: dropping in and helping us with that. It's great to 493 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 2: talk to people who've been out on the street wearing. 494 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 3: Out shoe leather anytime. 495 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 2: Thank you, Drew, Thanks for listening. Life and Crimes is 496 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: a Sunday Herald Sun production for True Crime Australia. Our 497 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: producer is Johnty Burton. My columns, features and more go 498 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: to Heroldsun dot com dot au, forward slash Andrew rule 499 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 2: one word. For advertising inquiries, go to news Podcasts sold 500 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 2: at news dot com dot au. 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