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Speaker 1: I really don't know about it.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to wait and see.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna get so much hate for this.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Kleen.

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Speaker 3: Hi everyone, Happy Tuesday, and welcome back. Too hotter than yesterday.

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Speaker 3: We're getting into some piping hot tea today. We've got

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Speaker 3: Blake still here giving his little two cents because.

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Speaker 1: It's always important.

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Speaker 2: Hey divas, Hey divers, you have woken me up this morning,

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Speaker 2: Like this is the vibe.

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Speaker 1: I am a morning person. I know, hit me, hit

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Speaker 1: me at two thirty three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: I have this thing at like two thirty three where

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Speaker 3: I go like non verbal and I just need like

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Speaker 3: thirty minutes to myself, just scroll on my phone.

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Speaker 1: It's just like, don't speak to me. I need to

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Speaker 3: I'm like a Tesla on battery like I need it,

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Speaker 3: and then I'll like recharge at like eight thirty and

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Speaker 3: I'm like on go like between like two thirty and

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Speaker 3: seven pm.

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Speaker 1: I'm the worst.

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Speaker 2: You it's giving cyborg. But that is not like the

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Speaker 2: routine that'd be on you just shut down at night though.

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Speaker 3: No, oh my god, my brain comes alive at night.

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Speaker 3: I have like so many unfinished notes pages because I'm

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Speaker 3: just like my brain whizzes, and then once I wake

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Speaker 3: go go go, Like I cannot relax in the morning.

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Speaker 1: I can never have a slow morning.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm not like, oh, Sunday, as soon as I

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Speaker 1: Go boom, like I've been I've been on charge for

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Speaker 2: What's news this week? I actually feel like you've had

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Speaker 2: a quiet one, Like I haven't seen much of you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've really taken a step back on social media

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Speaker 3: this week. Yeah, I had a bit of a breakdown

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Speaker 3: I know I have something on, I really am like

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Speaker 3: good at pulling myself out. But I haven't had anything

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Speaker 3: forced myself to stop, because sometimes I'm just I'm very

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Speaker 3: good at distracting myself from my problems. But this week

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Speaker 3: I've just like mentally taken it slow, which is like

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Speaker 3: big week next week, so I'm like really charging my battery, ye, trying.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this is like the challenging patch for you. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I knew you're doing this, flew home booked yourself silly,

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Speaker 2: and now I think this is a time where you

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Speaker 2: and make your own type of busy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and when my I'm very good at making myself busy,

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Speaker 3: like that. So like you guys don't want to see that,

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Speaker 3: Like you don't want to see my everyday life. And

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Speaker 3: I'm again, I'm not saying social media is hard. Social

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Speaker 3: More straining than mine, not even questioning that, but you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to even know. I want advice to

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Speaker 2: so great to take people on that journey. But I

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Speaker 3: So yeah, a lot of forward planning, a lot of meetings,

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Speaker 1: Just a little meetings, really such a business.

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Speaker 2: Woman, a busy girl.

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Speaker 3: It's the time that my whole family get back together

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Speaker 1: So cute, so cute.

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Speaker 3: But I have like my housemates spending Christmas with us

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Speaker 3: Like I love spending Christmas because now I'm like I'm older.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's so much fun. I'm excited we're to

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Speaker 2: Us, Are you kidding? Yeah, that's adorable because.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't make a lot of effort with me. Patrick,

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Speaker 1: come and see your little sister. Huh. Could you always

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, I love my family, but like two

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Speaker 2: They're a lot, It's it's a testing time.

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Speaker 3: We're five extroverts in one yes, five personality, big personalities and.

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Speaker 2: that's like I am looking forward to it, but like

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Christmas is such a touchy subject for everyone. Trust me,

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Speaker 3: I've had the worst Christmas is. Christmas is always like

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Speaker 3: fact that like my family is all under one roof is.

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Speaker 1: Like a lot.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it causes a lot of PTSD, but I've worked

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Speaker 3: I always like sympathize with people, and it's always glamorized

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Speaker 3: Like it's a very very hard time of year, and

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Speaker 2: And like when someone wins on the board, They're like yeah,

440
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 2: like they pan to themselves and you can see the

441
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 2: people in front and behind her a bit, like it

442
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 2: would be so intense and it's the TikTok Awards. You

443
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,480
Speaker 2: can only expect it.

444
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 3: Well, you're in a room with a bunch of creators.

445
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,439
Speaker 3: Everyone wants the best content. Like oh, like, honestly, that

446
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,239
Speaker 3: sounds so exciting inducing I'm literally getting goosebumps about it,

447
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I think it's like piped up to be

448
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 3: a really really big thing and like don't like, don't

449
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 3: take what I say is Bible, but like, yeah, I

450
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 3: think because it is still such a new platform and

451
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 3: TikTok and Australia is still developing and everything like that,

452
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 3: the execution of it was not right And I can't

453
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,880
Speaker 3: speak on behalf of especially people of.

454
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,159
Speaker 1: Color or minority minority groups.

455
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 3: I'm in a white Australian female that literally does is

456
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,639
Speaker 3: not in any minority groups, and I can't speak on

457
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 3: your behalf and speak on discrimination and how that would

458
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 3: feel for you, because again I've never experienced it and

459
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 3: I'm not going to put words into your mouth, but

460
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,679
Speaker 3: to feel that, my heart hurts for you because we

461
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 3: always talk about grouping everyone together and quality and everything

462
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 3: like that, and I don't know how it feels for you,

463
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 3: But then going to an event like that and seeing

464
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 3: overt discrimination and the divide and people you're not feeling seen.

465
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 1: I would never, ever, I could never imagine how that.

466
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,199
Speaker 3: Would feel for you, and being like, well, I'm a

467
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 3: TikTok creator, this is my job, Like why aren't you

468
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 3: recognizing me? That would fucking suck, And it just sucks

469
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 3: that you felt like that, And yeah, it makes my

470
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 3: heart hurt because I'm like, I feel we always talk

471
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 3: about work and don't be homophobic, don't be racist, and

472
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 3: don't be all of those things.

473
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: But then Australia still has so far to go.

474
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 2: And I feel it's a platform privilege. Everywhere will deny that,

475
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 2: but TikTok feels like kind of the platform where everyone

476
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 2: gets to go. Yeah, so yeah.

477
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

478
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 3: I think it's very disappointing in Australian culture and I

479
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 3: just think we need to be better.

480
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 2: It's, you know, meant to be the top levels. You

481
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 2: expect not to see that there, but sadly does exist everywhere.

482
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we still have so far, so so far

483
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: to go. But anyway, TikTok Awards twenty twenty five.

484
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 2: So this is kind of related to the TikTok Awards.

485
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: It isn't, but I did notice on the red carpet

486
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 2: every year they have a question where they kind of

487
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: want abate influencers where yes, I was actually in my

488
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 2: car watching. I think they ask again, is influencing hard?

489
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 2: Or is your job hard? They got the same Veronica

490
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 2: Check talking about it. She is, yeah, I don't know either.

491
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: I think she actually called for like a union to

492
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: be formed for influencers and she wanted influences to go

493
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: on strike. But that's a whole whole other conbo. We

494
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: touched on that another time.

495
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: What was the question?

496
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 2: So it was about the under sixteen social media ban? Ah,

497
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: and I don't think they were trying to bait the creators,

498
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: but I did see like a lot of the creators

499
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: didn't really want to make comment about it. And that's

500
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: also fine. But I don't think it has to be

501
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: a big scary thing. I can. I think we can

502
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: discuss the social media ban and see both sides. But

503
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: I found a lot of the creators saying, oh, you know,

504
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 2: I haven't really thought about it. Don't know much about it,

505
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 2: don't really want to comment on it. It's like, let's

506
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: discuss it.

507
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: I would have been up there. I don't think it

508
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: should be seen.

509
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is taking away from the fact this.

510
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: I don't think that social media should be banned for

511
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: under sixteen year olds because I think it's taking away

512
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 3: from the fact and it's sheltering kids from what could

513
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 3: they be exposed to. And I can understand the argument

514
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 3: that their brain need more developing time to then maybe

515
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: be exposed to some of the stuff that they're going

516
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 3: to be seen online. But I think the real teaching

517
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: comes from the parents. It comes from teaching your children.

518
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 3: It teaches in people in education and older adults who

519
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: are around younger children to educate your children properly about bullying,

520
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 3: to not bully kids, about safe practices online, To properly

521
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: inform and educate your kids to what they could be

522
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 3: exposed to online and how they can go about it.

523
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: Teach your kid to be a genuine human, Teach your

524
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 3: kid to be a nice person, Teach your kid to

525
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 3: not bully, like all of those things, and how to

526
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: properly safely be online. Instead of banning them from being

527
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 3: online because at one point your kid is going to

528
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 3: be exposed to it, So teach them how to go

529
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 3: about it in the right way instead of banning them

530
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 3: from ever being on that. Because kids, when there's a will,

531
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 3: there's a way. It's the same about alcohol and all

532
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: of those things. At one point, your child will drink.

533
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 3: At one point, your child will do something behind your back.

534
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 3: And I'm speaking from my childhood as well. The more

535
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 3: my parents were against it, the more the less I

536
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: told them, the less I went behind their back, the

537
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 3: less I did that. So if you're banning your child

538
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: from doing it, and maybe it's the child that I was,

539
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: but like you're exposing them to the risk of them

540
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 3: almost getting in more trouble and you're not finding out

541
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: about it because they're banned from it, or they're doing

542
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: it behind your back, or they're doing it sneakily with

543
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 3: VPN like all of those things that you're probably leading

544
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 3: them to more risk of getting themselves into trouble.

545
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: To getting I don't know, some scary shit on the Internet.

546
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 3: Because I think we're not I think we're releasing the

547
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 3: responsibility from higher people of platform.

548
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: Platform.

549
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think we're like being like, oh, well,

550
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: just ban them from doing it, instead of holding ourselves

551
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: responsibility as one as creators, two, as like adults and

552
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: people of organizations and people in education. You're releasing responsibility

553
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: from educating these kids on how to safely be online

554
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 3: instead of yeah, you're just like, ah, not my problem,

555
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 3: just ban it from them. I don't think that that's

556
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: the way that you should be doing it. Like, I

557
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: think we should all be educating kids on how to

558
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 3: safely be online, how to safely be a kind person,

559
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: how to not bully people. And I think that there

560
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: should be things put in place that restricts kids from

561
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: certain parts of social media. But I don't think you

562
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: should be banning it because I think it's not holding

563
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 3: us responsible for being fucking better people.

564
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what changes online? Like, yeah, sure we won't

565
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: see anyone below sixteen on that, but the content's not

566
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: going to change. I'm still going to open whatever social

567
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: media platform and see some pretty horrific things exactly, some

568
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: things that I'm so insensitive to now, not in the

569
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: sense that I don't care, but like I'm so used

570
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: to seeing really heavy imagery every single day. Yeah, and

571
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that for a kid, So I do

572
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: understand the argument, but it's like, what are the platforms doing?

573
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: Like why is a kind of onus?

574
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: Oni?

575
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think like a lot of people say, like, oh,

576
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: how do you always deal with the hate or like

577
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: you get a lot of hate comments like I have,

578
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: and like, weirdly, I'm desensitized by it now, which I

579
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: think if I'm applying that to a young person who

580
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: is sad, like I shouldn't be desensitized. But again, it's

581
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 3: from so many years on social media that I've built

582
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: a tough skin for it, and I know it just

583
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: like comes with the price that I and the job

584
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: that I'm in.

585
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: So I'm like, it is what it is.

586
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: But again I've learnt that and I think I don't know,

587
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: Like I think a really.

588
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: Good example of this is you as a creator.

589
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 3: I cannot promote alcohol brands and you cannot promote alcohol.

590
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys know this, but you

591
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 3: can't work with alcohol brands unless you're over the age

592
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: of twenty five, and a lot of the time you

593
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: won't then be shown that content if.

594
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: You're under twenty five.

595
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 3: If the creator has the settings on what they should have,

596
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: you will not actually be exposed to the content of

597
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 3: paid work. So like if they're not being paid by

598
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: like Aperol spirits for example, and then just like putting

599
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: that on their story and like there may be just

600
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: add an Aparol event.

601
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: You will see that.

602
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: But if it's paid partnerships, they won't be exposed to

603
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: people under twenty five. That's where something should there's something

604
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: we can do a lot elon musk, get yourself in

605
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: there or something or whatever. You can do a lot that.

606
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: I think certain things shouldn't be exposed to accounts under sixteen,

607
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,479
Speaker 3: but I think banning you from it is again just

608
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: putting you at more risk for making more mistakes when

609
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 3: you're older because you're not learning.

610
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: And one thing I have in mind is I think

611
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: people kind of see our generation arguing this and it's

612
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: just like us because you would have wanted social media

613
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: at that age. It's like, no, we know what it was, like, Yeah,

614
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: I had Facebook when I was eight. I hate that.

615
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying that God's insane. I found a way, and

616
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: it's like, ye, no, can find a way. I cannot

617
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 2: believe it. I'd never want my kids doing that, but

618
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: like it's reality. Kids are clever and god, we were

619
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: kind of smart. I would hate to know what the

620
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: next end of kids are like exactly.

621
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: And like you have things on like YouTube and Netflix

622
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: and stuff like that where they won't show you certain

623
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: shows because you can have like a kid lock on

624
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: it or something like that. You should be able to

625
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: do that in social media if you just put your

626
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: birthdate in there, and then it shouldn't be showing you

627
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: certain content, which I think is really really important. Somethings

628
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 3: do not need to be shown to children, but I

629
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 3: think the whole purpose behind it of And again, opinions

630
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: are like usholes, so like my opinion, you may not

631
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: agree with, which I'm a with, but I think banning

632
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: social media for people under sixteen is taking responsibility away

633
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: from educators, from people like myself, parents, teachers, organizations to

634
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: not properly educate and inform young children. It's taking the

635
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: responsibility away from that, and I think the responsibility does

636
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: lie on us people over eighteen, people in those areas

637
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: that have the ability.

638
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: To I think it's taking away from that.

639
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: I will never I know that I have people under

640
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: sixteen watching my content, and I'm not going to go, yeah, girls,

641
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: go drink a fucking cruiser.

642
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: Never going to be doing that.

643
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: I know that I have the responsibility to be promoting

644
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: safe things online.

645
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go tell them to do something stupid.

646
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know you wouldn't, but there's some kind

647
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: of reckless creators out there. Say this goes ahead and

648
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: there's no longer anyone under sixteen on social media. I

649
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: think people are going to start posting with the mindset of, oh, well,

650
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: the kids aren't going to see it, so let's go mond.

651
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: Honestly, my brain would probably think like that too.

652
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: I'm not going to then post that, but it would

653
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: be in the back of my mind being like, oh, no,

654
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: one the under sixteen is happening in there, so.

655
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: They all know.

656
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's some lots worse people than.

657
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. I

658
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: really don't know about it.

659
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: We'll have to wait and see.

660
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna get so much hate for this.

661
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: But I'll argue with and for you.

662
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: Thanks.

663
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to finish on a big one. This

664
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: is multifaceted. Are you watching Big Brother?

665
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm not watching Big Brother, but I do think I

666
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: would be really good on it.

667
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: I think so too. I've genuinely thought this.

668
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: I think I would be.

669
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: I think you'd go a bit stir crazy, but I

670
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: think it'd make great tea.

671
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be so crazy because I couldn't go over

672
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: my walks.

673
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I didn't even think of that.

674
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm like, come my god, maybe I want

675
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: to go on Love Island or something like that, but

676
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't go with my walks.

677
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: I can't remove myself from the situation.

678
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: Like Gabby last night, I'm watching Love Island, she went

679
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: ape shit, but I'm like, oh my god, like.

680
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: I would just like want to leave hid under the table.

681
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a Big Brother. I feel like you might

682
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: have seen some things. Yes, I'm watching it so I

683
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: can fill you in on a lot of the gaps,

684
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: but just quick context. Big Brother is like back back

685
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: to the OG format. It's a bit shorter, like it

686
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 2: used to go for two to three months. I think

687
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: it wraps up next week, so it's only been like

688
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: three to four weeks, but it's like twenty four to seven.

689
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: You can watch live on TikTok.

690
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen the TikTok on my fully pain.

691
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like so good because I grew up on

692
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: Big Brother.

693
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah I've never watched it, okay, but I know that

694
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: you vote people off.

695
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you vote to save. So each week the housemates

696
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: will vote for three nominees to go up for eviction

697
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: and then the Australian public has to save their two favorites.

698
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: But I think that was a double elimination last week, right,

699
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: so interesting. I do think you'd love it. But the

700
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: first thing that is a contestant on their cold Holly. Okay,

701
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: everyone's seen Holly. I think seeing this yet so much

702
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: a pretty privileged one. Yes, yes, And I don't like

703
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: being part of a pylon. I've tried to give her

704
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 2: so many chances, but I just like, I've seen clips

705
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: on my social media and I just think she's got

706
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: to shovel and she keeps on digging.

707
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, when is something going to click in her

708
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: brain to go I need to shut.

709
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: Up and just a little bit of self awareness. And

710
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: I know she's got that feedback, but it just hasn't

711
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: doesn't brain.

712
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: I think she's one of those people that like she

713
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: definitely thinks that like there is a hierarchy.

714
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't agree with it. I saw the first

715
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: clip of her with the pretty privileged thing.

716
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so for context, she had a conversation. Obviously, your

717
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: all your devices are taken away. You're in a house

718
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 2: with strangers. You're going to talk about pretty much every topic,

719
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: every opinion you have around the dinner table. Pretty privileged

720
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: got bo Abiola a lesbian And I'm not being rudin anyway.

721
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: She describes herself as this way, and I think it's

722
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: a bit contactual to the story. But she's a bigger

723
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: woman and they're talking about pretty privilege around the table,

724
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: and Abiola will also drop the clip right here right now.

725
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: Prettier people in society get treated differently.

726
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 4: I don't agree with pretty privilege at all. Yes, there

727
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 4: are privileges that come with being beautiful. I get social anxiety.

728
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: You wouldn't think that, but when sometimes a beautiful girl

729
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 4: works into a room, sometimes we don't want to even

730
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: be noticed when we walk in the room.

731
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'd rather than people don't give me the

732
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 3: time of day because they think I'm gross.

733
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: But do you know what I'm saying, You guys live

734
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: an easier life.

735
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 4: People have called me stuck up sexual life.

736
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: People think I'm gross, and I'll give me the time

737
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: of day.

738
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 2: She's getting a Abiola speaks about her experiences getting yelled

739
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: at out of cars, people not wanting to even serve her,

740
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: look at her, give her the time of the day.

741
00:34:59,280 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.

742
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: She she expressed that it's hard always walking into a

743
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 3: room feeling that people are disgusted at you. I think

744
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 3: that that was like a big thing that she said.

745
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: She was like, I feel like people are disgusted by me.

746
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: I feel like people think I'm People don't want me there,

747
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 3: they think I'm ugly, They don't give me the time

748
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: of day. They don't look at me like they or

749
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: they stare like she was like, it's disgusting.

750
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: Like she was like, it's so it sucks. Yeah, it

751
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: fucking sucks.

752
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: And sure we're all in our heads a little bit,

753
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: but like people have screaminess at this woman. She lives

754
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: this every single day, which is giving insight into until

755
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 2: Holly decided, hey, this is a perfect time to talk

756
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: about my experience.

757
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: She then kind of goes.

758
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 3: Being having pretty privilege is not always a positive thing.

759
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: There's so much negative.

760
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: Well, she opened up and said, I don't believe in

761
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: pretty privilege. Yeah, but are pros and cons to it.

762
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: Oh yes, okay, it's that sentence.

763
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 3: Come on, okay, I'm going to try to be very

764
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 3: very careful with my words towards Holly. And again, I

765
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: don't think someone's experiences with anything in life will take

766
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: away from somebody else's. So Abiola has expressed and been

767
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: very very vulnerable in her speaking about how she feels

768
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 3: disgusting and how she I think she was pretty much

769
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: saying like, I would love to feel pretty. I would

770
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: love to feel accepted. I would love to feel pretty.

771
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: I don't feel accepted.

772
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, like to be seen, to be seen and to

773
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: be loved and then someone to come in and go mm.

774
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: To be seen, to be seen and to be loved

775
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 3: is actually not that good hard act. It's actually really hard.

776
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: Like imagine I had to cut I remember, she goes,

777
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 3: I had to cut my hair into a bob because

778
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: I was so pretty that like I didn't want to

779
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 3: be seen and I'm I'm sitting there.

780
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: Like shut up.

781
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: Like I remember seeing the thing and I was sitting

782
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: in my car drinking my morning coffee and I saw

783
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: this thing and.

784
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: I was just like, no way, as someone I don't

785
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: think I'm the prettiest girl. In the world.

786
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: But I definitely think I have experienced pretty privilege. I

787
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: definitely think, yeah, I'll be straight up like, I'm not

788
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: in an egotistical way. I definitely have experienced forms of

789
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 3: pretty privilege. And I know it is a very big thing.

790
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: It's very prominent, so important to be aware of it.

791
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: Not one hundred percent obviously.

792
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: Like one hundred percent, like there was so many forms

793
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: of pretty privilege that we don't even realize. And I

794
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: remember there was a thing in the year twelve that

795
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: I studied. I think it's like an angel effect or

796
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 3: something like that. There's it's called some kind of effect

797
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 3: where you will more likely be liked by society.

798
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: Of if a person who's not very socially.

799
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: Accepted by society they deem as beautiful, and then someone

800
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: who's not deemed beautiful by societal expectations. If you both

801
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: go for a job and you both have the same qualifications,

802
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 3: you both have the same level of experience, the prettier

803
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: person will be employed.

804
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: The person who is more socially equipped.

805
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 3: Or socially liked by your looks normal wise, you will

806
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 3: be employed. That is just fact, and I'm so sorry

807
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: to say, it's just how our brains are wired, and

808
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: you cannot say that that is a negative connotation for

809
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 3: pretty privilege and that it is not a thing. It

810
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: is and I'm so sorry, and it fucking sucks.

811
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be a thing. It shouldn't.

812
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be getting away. I am models. Why do

813
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: they get so much more in life? Because why do

814
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: crazy rich men want to date models? Yeah, there are

815
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: so many pretty privileged things that you see in everyday

816
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: life that you're probably not even aware of. And for

817
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: someone to express that she has seen it and then

818
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: she experiences the opposite and then try to almost relate

819
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: to her, you need a big wake up call.

820
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, Like I don't even know what

821
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

822
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: It just like makes me so I don't know, Like

823
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: I'm like, I have firsthand witnessed forms of pretty privilege.

824
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a perfect conversation. So I don't think

825
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 2: you can ever say something about it and think I've

826
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: hit every market. I've said the perfect thing, because it's unfair.

827
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 2: It's a very imperfect kind of system. Was reading a

828
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: few quotes which I really liked around this, and that's

829
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: a pretty privilege exists, and so does the discomfort of

830
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: talking about it, which I think is so valid. Like

831
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: I even remember an interview with Dua Lipa. She got

832
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: asked about it, and when the interview was published, she

833
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: kind of dismissed it, and she actually emailed the journalists

834
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: like two days after and she's like, I'm so sorry.

835
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: I actually do want to come back with my thoughts.

836
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: If I had enough time, i'd read it. But something

837
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: to the extent of like it's something I've been really

838
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 2: uncomfortable in ever looking at accepting because I don't want

839
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: to discount all the years of hard work thinking I

840
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: got there because I'm pretty Yeah, but I totally accept

841
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: that it's helped me along the way.

842
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: I definitely think it gives you, not an upper hand necessarily,

843
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: but it does help you boost Like there is a

844
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: certain thing of like, yeah, you don't want to discredit

845
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: your hard work and just be like I just got

846
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: here because I was. There is hard work and determination

847
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: that goes into things to be making you successful, but

848
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 3: to be liked is to be seen, and you are

849
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: more likely to be seen because you're an attractive woman.

850
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even the job example you brought up, it's like,

851
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 2: even if it doesn't mean the prettier person gets a job.

852
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: It's just people are a lot more receptive to that person.

853
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 2: They're probably gonna be like, ah, she seems a lot

854
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: more nice, or they probably.

855
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: Face more friendly approach assumptions.

856
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: About her lifestyle, saying she's social and active, whereas someone

857
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: bigger absolutely could even be more active than someone skinnier

858
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: than them. But it's just like of face value, people

859
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: make these very shallow assumptions. Yes, and we need to

860
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: get so much better.

861
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I think with the stereotype of like, and

862
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 3: I can give an example of like as someone who

863
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: does influencing and yes, again, like I'm a white pretty.

864
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: You're a pretty girl.

865
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: I'm socially accepted, like I don't. I don't firsthand experience

866
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: forms of discrimination towards my looks. I then struggle with

867
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: people thinking I'm dumb, and that really sucks because I

868
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 3: feel like sometimes you have to go over and above.

869
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: Oh, some people think I'm a bitch.

870
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: I think sometimes I then go over and above to

871
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 3: prove that I'm nice and prove that I'm not dumb.

872
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: But like, I'm not going to.

873
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: Go It's really hard for me because I need to

874
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: prove to people that I'm smart, like I don't. That

875
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: doesn't even cross my mind. And like back to the

876
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 3: TikTok Awards thing, like when I said before, I can't

877
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: speak on behalf of women or people of color who

878
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: have experienced first hand discrimination at those events because I

879
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: can't speak.

880
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: On your experience. I have never experienced that, so I'm

881
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: not going.

882
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: To speak on your behalf and say, yeah, I know

883
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 3: how it feels.

884
00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how it feels.

885
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 3: So for Holly to speak on a behalf and try

886
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 3: to relate like yeah, yeah, I know how it feels.

887
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: No you don't.

888
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was almost like a catch as well. It's

889
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 2: like oh yeah, yeah, but the putting her problems above

890
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: hers and I think as women and just society, like

891
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: it should be a one whole conversation because in the

892
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: famous sizes of Holly, there are cons to pretty privilege,

893
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 2: Like two women can be absolutely beautiful and in very

894
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 2: different and opposite ways experienced discrimination because of their good

895
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: looks as well. So it's like something women should be

896
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 2: banding together about. I think Holly made it us verst them.

897
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think Holly should have gone like I

898
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 3: feel sorry for you that you feel that type of

899
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 3: way in societal groups. And when you walk into a room,

900
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: the first thing that she should have said is you're

901
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 3: beautiful the.

902
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: Way you are.

903
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god. The whole conversation is like, can you

904
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: just tell her she's beautiful so she knows you're on

905
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: her side? Yeah, but I don't know if she was.

906
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: No, she didn't, And like, that's the first thing you

907
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: should go, You're beautiful just the way you are. Yeah,

908
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: you should feel accepted, you should feel welcome in every

909
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 3: room that you walk into.

910
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: Like it's the same thing of like when your friend goes, oh,

911
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: I feel really fat today, you're not gonna go Yeah,

912
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: you look it.

913
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you sympathize, and its basic human empathy. Really, and

914
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: I just think Holly in this Big Brother thing, I

915
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: think she has really changed as a person. I think

916
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 3: she's grown and then been held responsible for a lot

917
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: of things that she says and does because some of

918
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: the stuff is quite controversial. Even the way that she's

919
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: treating that guy that she's hooking up with.

920
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, age gap. I was like, I feel like

921
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: we've run out of time, but let's quickly address it.

922
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: Holly's thirty one, Colin's twenty one. No one's talking about it.

923
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Yeah, I think, yeah, it's interesting because I

924
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 3: think he has like expressed that he's never felt good enough,

925
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 3: that like no pretty person would ever look at him,

926
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: and it goes down to that stuf and he.

927
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: Feels less than.

928
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: Her and just like he'd never be given a shot

929
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: in the real world. Makes me so sad and like

930
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: even when he expresses that to her, she's never just

931
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: simply no, it's like, oh, why would you think that.

932
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like feeding her ego a little bit away

933
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: when he like, yeah, I don't know. I don't think

934
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 3: Collie's a bad person, but I think she's been stuck

935
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: in her ways for a very very long time. And

936
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: whence and some people are I know firsthand that some

937
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 3: people in your life, like you're almost you'd rather not

938
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: say anything because confronting them and holding them accountable. With

939
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: certain people, you're like, it's not worth the battle, Like

940
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 3: even literally on Ossie Shaw, for example, if you guys

941
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: are watching Ossie Shaw, like people are like, I'm so

942
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 3: scared to approach her because I know she comes firing

943
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: back that it's like it's not actually worth the battle.

944
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: But then holding those people responsible is really important because

945
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 3: I think they do want to learn and they do

946
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 3: want to be held responsible, but.

947
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: It's hard and they sadly get away with it because

948
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: it's so sticky.

949
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

950
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: I think it's really interesting and I hope Holly learns

951
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 3: and I think she's learnt a lot from her experience

952
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 3: with Big Brother, and I think everyone needs to learn,

953
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: and you're never too old to learn and change your ways.

954
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: So good luck, Holly, the Best Girl, all the best

955
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: girly and Big Brother.

956
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 3: If you're taking people next season, I'm happy to do

957
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: that as long as you've got a walking pat in there. Really,

958
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: I think that is a wrap for today's episode, very

959
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: very opinionated episode. I'm worried I'm going to experience a

960
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 3: little bit about Flash. But let me know what you

961
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: guys think. Send me feedback please. I always like to

962
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 3: know when.

963
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: You guys are listening and your opinions.

964
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 2: And we have the rest of the year planned pretty

965
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 2: much locked in. But next year we are all ears. Yes,

966
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: whatever you want, we'll do for you, unless it's controversial,

967
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: we may have to yea all might yeah.

968
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you guys so much for listening and I'll

969
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: see you guys next Tuesday.

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00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: Bye bye