WEBVTT - The best podcasts of 2024

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, my top podcast is Joe Rogan, a guy

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<v Speaker 1>called Ja Rogan. I wouldn't do that to you, or

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<v Speaker 1>the seven Am listener.

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<v Speaker 2>From Schwartz Media. I'm Daniel James. This is seven Am

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<v Speaker 2>Summer series. Every day. This week, critics from the Saturday

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<v Speaker 2>Paper and beyond I bring you their top picks of

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<v Speaker 2>the year. We add books, TV music, and today we

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<v Speaker 2>have podcasts. Twenty twenty four was a year where we

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<v Speaker 2>saw Donald Trump win an election on the back of

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<v Speaker 2>the podbrow vote. But today's Pictaker is in a very

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<v Speaker 2>different direction now. I don't know anyone who listens to

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<v Speaker 2>as many podcasts as our senior producer Shane Andsen. Anytime

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<v Speaker 2>anyone on the seven Am production team needs a recommendation,

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<v Speaker 2>we turned to Shane. She's pood three shows for your

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<v Speaker 2>Boxing Day, Food Haze and the Long Road Trips Ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Thursday, December twenty sixth Shane, thanks for being here.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get into it. What's your first pick?

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<v Speaker 1>The very first pick I want to start with is

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<v Speaker 1>hands down my favorite podcast of the year, which is

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<v Speaker 1>thrill Seekers from the CBC.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen very carefully.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm now going to give you the big picture.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember telling everyone to be quiet because I couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>hear what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so bossy, you know, be quiet, be quite. I

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<v Speaker 2>need to hear what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 5>You are about to become and.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I quite processed what he was saying.

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<v Speaker 3>The very first televised British.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a bit of a listen to this and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be fascinating to hear your take on it because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very unique podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the premise is it's two thousand and five and

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<v Speaker 1>a group of ordinary people across the UK have responded

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<v Speaker 1>to an ad for a reality TV show that simply

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<v Speaker 1>is asking for people who are up for an Adventure

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<v Speaker 1>of a lifetime.

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<v Speaker 4>It said, do you want to go an adventure and

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<v Speaker 4>do something that's really exciting hasn't been done before we

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<v Speaker 4>launching a new TV show.

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<v Speaker 5>And why the people contestants did on the Adventure.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the Lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>But they don't tell the prospective contestants anything about the

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<v Speaker 1>type of show that they're going to be on until

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<v Speaker 1>it starts filming. So the twists and the reveals of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast is really where the joy comes from. But

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<v Speaker 1>it does also make it difficult to talk about without

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<v Speaker 1>spoiling too many details, which I'll try not to do,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can guarantee this is such a fun ride

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<v Speaker 1>and also speaks a surprising amount to the climate that

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<v Speaker 1>we're in where our consensus reality is feeling more fragile

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<v Speaker 1>than ever.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, the word deceiving is It's a very

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<v Speaker 4>loaded word, isn't it. These people were genuinely up for

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<v Speaker 4>an adventure, wanted to take part in a TV show

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<v Speaker 4>that was going to be a bit of a roller coaster,

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<v Speaker 4>and they certainly got.

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<v Speaker 2>That until finally.

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<v Speaker 1>So thrill Seck is non narrated, so it's entirely told

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<v Speaker 1>through interviews with the different contestants, and the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you're able to build a podcast from that is truly

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<v Speaker 1>a testament to Nick Vanderkolk, who's the force behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's from Love and Radio, which is known for its

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<v Speaker 1>really in depth, sensitive interviews, and so it has a

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<v Speaker 1>cast of characters that you get to know really quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>and they take you on this journey through being part

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<v Speaker 1>of the show as it's filming, to finding out the

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<v Speaker 1>true nature of the TV show and that reality unfolds

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<v Speaker 1>for them at the same time it unfolds for you.

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<v Speaker 1>As a listener, which makes it compelling to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>and gives you all of these little surprises. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I think the thing that really makes thrill Seekers stand

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<v Speaker 1>out as a podcast is the final episode. It is

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<v Speaker 1>really really hard to stick the landing, especially in a

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<v Speaker 1>narrative podcast, but thrill Seekers does it in a way

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know I've ever heard a podcast do before.

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<v Speaker 1>It has one final reveal that plays out, and it

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<v Speaker 1>does so in a way that's both kind of funny

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<v Speaker 1>and horrifying and sticks with you long after the ending.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm halfway through episode three, and it really took me

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<v Speaker 2>till about halfway through episode two to actually orientate myself

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<v Speaker 2>in the story, because, like you said, there is no

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<v Speaker 2>narrator and you're just being guided along by these very

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<v Speaker 2>big personalities being thrown into this situation. But once you

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<v Speaker 2>get it, and once you get the format, and once

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<v Speaker 2>you come to know the characters, and once you get

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<v Speaker 2>to know or get an inkling of where you think

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<v Speaker 2>it's going, it's really compelling listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I can guarantee where you think it's going,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not where it's going to go if you're only

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<v Speaker 1>at episode three, which is why it's so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there anything else that's similar out there to this?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, reality TV is really fertile ground for podcasts. The

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<v Speaker 1>main one that brings to mind is Harsh Reality, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the story of the There's Something about Miriam show,

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<v Speaker 1>which was horrifically unethic, and that podcast came out a

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<v Speaker 1>few years ago. It's really great. I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>a kin to that show, But for me, thrill Seekers

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<v Speaker 1>is really elevated in the way it tackles kind of

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<v Speaker 1>bigger questions outside of the show about you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of truth and reality and how easy it is

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<v Speaker 1>to build a world, a contained world for these contestants

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<v Speaker 1>and to convince them of the truth of something, only

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of rip the curtain away. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that fragility of our experience of reality speaks a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to the current climate in a way that I found

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<v Speaker 1>really refreshing and unique.

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<v Speaker 2>Layers within layers. That's Thrill Seekers by CBC. Shane, What

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<v Speaker 2>else have you got for us?

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<v Speaker 1>The second offering is by Boston Public Radio and it's

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<v Speaker 1>called Beyond All Repair?

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<v Speaker 5>Did You Kill?

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<v Speaker 2>Marlene Johnson? I think you're one of the first people

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<v Speaker 2>to have actually asked.

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<v Speaker 5>How could that be when you were put on trial

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<v Speaker 5>for murder, because.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't asked. I was told, you know, I know

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<v Speaker 2>this happened, we know you killed Marlene. Just told me

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<v Speaker 2>what happened, all right, So I had a quick listen

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<v Speaker 2>to this one as well. This is something that's probably

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<v Speaker 2>easier to get into because it does have that traditional

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<v Speaker 2>narrative structure with a narrada and a host that takes

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<v Speaker 2>you through the story. But what's it about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a true crime podcast, and I think one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best true crime podcasts in a couple of years,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe at a stretch since Cereal, which is the yardstick

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<v Speaker 1>by which we measure all crime podcasts. And Beyond All

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<v Speaker 1>Repair is the story of Sophia Johnson, who was accused

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<v Speaker 1>of murdering her mother in law twenty years ago in

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<v Speaker 1>the early two thousands. She's always maintained her innocence, even

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<v Speaker 1>though she was convicted or went to prison for it.

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<v Speaker 1>She has a younger brother called Shane Carrier, who was

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<v Speaker 1>just a kid at the time of the murder. He's

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<v Speaker 1>now grown up and he's working in a prosecutor's office.

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<v Speaker 1>He decides to team up with reporter Amory Steberson to

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<v Speaker 1>look at you know, did she do it? If she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do it, who did. And it's not just about

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<v Speaker 1>the question of innocence. It's also about systemic family abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about it's about what the prison system does to

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant women, it's about the injustices of the court system.

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<v Speaker 1>But what it keeps at its heart is the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>between the brother and sister, Sophia and Shane.

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<v Speaker 2>Shall we hear a clip?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to play you the very first minute

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<v Speaker 1>of the first episode to give you context. What you're

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<v Speaker 1>about to hear is a voicemail recordings sort have been

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<v Speaker 1>left to Shane Krreya, who's the one who's working with

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<v Speaker 1>Amory to tell this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Shane, you have no.

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<v Speaker 3>Idea how much I'm trying to protect you, little brother.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know it yet, but you're being misled.

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<v Speaker 6>Mister shame.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh you're doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen to me carefully.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not ready for what will come down if you

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<v Speaker 4>don't stop your nonsense and keep away.

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<v Speaker 3>If you, guys attempt to sabotage or to trouble me

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<v Speaker 3>in any which way, or to try to slow down

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<v Speaker 3>my life, I'm going to fight you.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't know what you're playing with.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. I wanted nothing to do with it in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 3>and up to now, I still want nothing to do

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<v Speaker 3>with it.

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<v Speaker 5>Dark about me, I don't lie on me, but I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Not going to let anybody lie on me.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, Okay, you're Washington, Judress, You're wicked.

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<v Speaker 3>All I'm doing is I'm giving you fear fucking warning.

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<v Speaker 3>If you come at me, I'm going to destroy you too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an incredibly detailed, meticulous investigation that looks at the

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<v Speaker 1>Career family and their history, and the further you get

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<v Speaker 1>into that family's past, the more muddy the story becomes.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a lot about this that on the surface

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<v Speaker 1>could seem like just, you know, another run of the

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<v Speaker 1>mill true crime, but it's the craft behind it that

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<v Speaker 1>really elevates it. Amor's scripting is amazing. She even composes

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<v Speaker 1>the music, which is catchy. There's just so much talent

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<v Speaker 1>and hard work and just like a cosmic alignment that

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<v Speaker 1>comes together to make this so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up after the Break, Shane picks the best Indie

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<v Speaker 2>Australian podcast of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not as heavy as true crime unless you're afraid

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<v Speaker 1>of spiders.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Shane, two recommended podcasts down, one to go. What

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<v Speaker 2>can you tell us about Umveldt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm really excited to talk about Umveldt. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>Australian independent production. It's by local audio engineer and producer

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Pemberton and it's a great little mini series that

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<v Speaker 1>dropped a couple of months ago, all about getting inside

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<v Speaker 1>the minds of animals and that's what the word umveldt is.

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<v Speaker 6>So the idea behind the term umveldt is that every

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<v Speaker 6>animal has a unique experience of the world, which is

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<v Speaker 6>shaped by their senses and the way that they interact

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<v Speaker 6>with their environment. And in this podcast, we're asking can

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<v Speaker 6>we expand our understanding and empathy for other animals by

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<v Speaker 6>trying to understand their unique umvelts. That's the premise.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty solid premise.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to be able to back it up. If

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<v Speaker 1>you choose an obscure German word for the name of

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<v Speaker 1>your podcast, probably shouldn't say that. So that's the premise.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's four episodes and each one is dedicated to

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<v Speaker 1>getting inside the subjective world of a different animal. There's whales, octopus, mantis, shrimp,

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<v Speaker 1>and my favorite one, which is the Porsche Jumping Spider.

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<v Speaker 1>It's told through conversations with these scientists who are experts

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<v Speaker 1>in the field, and through them you learn about how

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<v Speaker 1>animals talk, dream count fight, etc. All set to this

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<v Speaker 1>really captivating sound design that tries to draw you into

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<v Speaker 1>the animal's world. It's kind of like a meditative biology.

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<v Speaker 5>When Porsche reaches the edge of another spider's web, it

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't necessarily lunge into the web to capture that spider.

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<v Speaker 5>It can actually lure that spider over by starting to

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<v Speaker 5>use its eight legs and two legi like structures in

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<v Speaker 5>front of its face called pettipalps that it can use

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<v Speaker 5>to start plucking the silk strands of that spider's web.

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<v Speaker 5>It makes these movements on the silk that appear to

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<v Speaker 5>mimic the movements of a struggling insect caught in the web.

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<v Speaker 5>Sometimes Porsche will spend hours doing this, and so the

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<v Speaker 5>resident spider feels those movements and it's walking across to

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<v Speaker 5>the source of that movement, and when that spider comes

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<v Speaker 5>to a safe distance from Porsche, then jumps and grabs

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<v Speaker 5>that spider and eats it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we have Porsche jumping spiders in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they are found in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>That's something to look out for.

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<v Speaker 1>They're pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>That totally depends on your perspective. Shame. So this has

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<v Speaker 2>all been produced, everything's been done by Ryan himself, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So he comes from an audio engineering background and this

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<v Speaker 1>is his first foray into presenting and hosting a podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think he does an excellent job of combining

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<v Speaker 1>the technical sound elements with a really fun and light interview.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it has been a big year for animal

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<v Speaker 1>related podcasts. There's been The Good Whale, which is out

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment from Cereal Productions, and Animal which is

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<v Speaker 1>also New York Times. But I think there's something about

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<v Speaker 1>Umvelt that sets it apart from the others, and for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the scientific curiosity. It creates this kind of listening

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<v Speaker 1>experience where it's like kind of like slow listening. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very peaceful, it's very calming, even though you're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a spider kill and eat its prey.

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<v Speaker 2>Shane Anderson, thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Daniel.

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<v Speaker 2>Before I go, I wanted to tell you about my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite shows of the year. The first one would be

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<v Speaker 2>probably something that most listeners are probably familiar with. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been around for a while. It's called through Line from NPR.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically a history podcast that takes a deep dive

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<v Speaker 2>into a whole bunch of different issues. The one I

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<v Speaker 2>found of particular interest this year was is deep Dive

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<v Speaker 2>into the Electoral College, because there is yet to be

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<v Speaker 2>an expert that I've heard probably explain what the electoral

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<v Speaker 2>college is and what purpose it serves and where it

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<v Speaker 2>comes from. So that's through Line through NPR. And the

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<v Speaker 2>other one that I have been listening to a lot

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<v Speaker 2>this year, and it's a few years old now, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's called Lights Out from BBC Radio four, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast series that presents immersive soundwich documentaries, encouraging listeners

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<v Speaker 2>to engage deeply with diverse narratives. My favorite one was

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<v Speaker 2>Call Signs, which are chronicles of radio amateur in Kiev

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<v Speaker 2>during the Russian invasion, highlighting his experiences of sending and

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<v Speaker 2>receiving signals at the start of that particular conflict. That episode,

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<v Speaker 2>in particular takes you right to what makes you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you're there as much as you can't be while

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<v Speaker 2>you're either listening in bed, on a bus or on

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<v Speaker 2>a couch. But they're my two big ones. I'm Daniel James.

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<v Speaker 2>This is seven AM Summer Series and I'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow with a conversation with film curator and writer for

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<v Speaker 2>the monthly Cake Jinx. I'm the best films of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four. It's a great conversation, so I'll catch you

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<v Speaker 2>then