1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:19,841 Speaker 1: Apote production. When I was five, I went into a 2 00:00:20,121 --> 00:00:21,161 Speaker 1: children's home. 3 00:00:21,721 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: And my mum was in hospital for six or twelve 4 00:00:25,681 --> 00:00:28,961 Speaker 2: months and she had cancer in the bow. So then 5 00:00:29,001 --> 00:00:35,801 Speaker 2: I went home, and I went home to a mother's 6 00:00:36,001 --> 00:00:39,801 Speaker 2: that had had a bower removed and a father who 7 00:00:39,921 --> 00:00:44,881 Speaker 2: was angry, and so I lived between my grandmother's praise 8 00:00:46,081 --> 00:00:52,281 Speaker 2: and a couple of foster care homes, a welfare home, 9 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:59,401 Speaker 2: and then finally got commuted to six to nine at 10 00:00:59,521 --> 00:01:05,521 Speaker 2: Ormond out at Thornley. Ormond was pretty open, pretty open place, 11 00:01:05,601 --> 00:01:10,961 Speaker 2: and I'd had the big wire fences around it, but was. 12 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 3: That like a state ward sort of environment more than. 13 00:01:16,441 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: Juvenile center juvenile center? 14 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,281 Speaker 2: Yeah, I broke out it there and with two other 15 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,401 Speaker 2: women or young girls. One of the girls went back 16 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,641 Speaker 2: virtually straight back and gave yourself up, and the two 17 00:01:33,681 --> 00:01:37,801 Speaker 2: of us kept going, and so we were virtually on 18 00:01:37,881 --> 00:01:46,481 Speaker 2: the street at that time. I got put up for 19 00:01:48,001 --> 00:01:50,041 Speaker 2: what THO used to call it was a gang bang, 20 00:01:51,481 --> 00:02:00,321 Speaker 2: and I got raped and I was pretty, Yeah, I 21 00:02:00,361 --> 00:02:05,801 Speaker 2: was pretty. Was this barger that was just fucking the head. 22 00:02:07,481 --> 00:02:11,961 Speaker 1: And so it wasn't that long after. 23 00:02:12,241 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: I think it was only about three four days after 24 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,401 Speaker 2: that we got picked up and was taken a parametter, 25 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:26,721 Speaker 2: and because I was an absconder, we I copped the 26 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,921 Speaker 2: bashing straight away and was told, you know that this 27 00:02:32,081 --> 00:02:36,321 Speaker 2: is what happens to people that don't stay in the 28 00:02:36,361 --> 00:02:41,401 Speaker 2: walls where they're put Yeah, I got put out to do, 29 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,521 Speaker 2: you know, for the dormitory because they were all dormitories, 30 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:52,161 Speaker 2: and the work mine was in the laundry, which he 31 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: had a little bit of freedom in the laundry at 32 00:02:54,561 --> 00:02:56,881 Speaker 2: the back of it, not in the ironing part. 33 00:02:58,721 --> 00:03:01,641 Speaker 1: So that was really really good. And a lot of. 34 00:03:01,561 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: The girls that kept getting into trouble were out back 35 00:03:04,841 --> 00:03:10,001 Speaker 2: of the laundry. I got put into a dormitory three 36 00:03:10,841 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: and got picked on all the time, so. 37 00:03:13,921 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: I just rebelled. 38 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: I rebelled all the time really because I you know, 39 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,201 Speaker 2: I didn't want to be told what to do, even 40 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,481 Speaker 2: though I used to get done. It was my attitude 41 00:03:26,841 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: and that's what really got me into trouble all the time. 42 00:03:30,361 --> 00:03:32,041 Speaker 3: You've got to look at it, I guess, Wilma from 43 00:03:32,041 --> 00:03:34,881 Speaker 3: that point of view, when you say rebelled like you 44 00:03:34,921 --> 00:03:40,481 Speaker 3: are a broken young girl. You've you know, your mother's cancer, 45 00:03:40,521 --> 00:03:45,601 Speaker 3: your father's really not connecting with you. You then end 46 00:03:45,681 --> 00:03:49,761 Speaker 3: up in a situation where you're taking advantage of and raped, 47 00:03:49,801 --> 00:03:52,041 Speaker 3: as you said, at a young age by several men. 48 00:03:53,321 --> 00:03:55,601 Speaker 3: That's just soul breaking right there. 49 00:03:56,921 --> 00:04:01,041 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they didn't realize that, friend, or if they did, 50 00:04:01,121 --> 00:04:04,681 Speaker 2: they didn't care, not at all, because I was never 51 00:04:04,761 --> 00:04:07,761 Speaker 2: asked what happened to me. I didn't talk about it. 52 00:04:07,801 --> 00:04:11,761 Speaker 2: That's where I left it actually, when I went to Paramatta, 53 00:04:11,961 --> 00:04:21,961 Speaker 2: that's where I just, I think, virtually disassociated. 54 00:04:20,921 --> 00:04:23,961 Speaker 1: And that was my way of as. 55 00:04:23,921 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: Handling things of really, yeah, I did some pretty destructive 56 00:04:30,561 --> 00:04:34,881 Speaker 2: things at that stage. And even today, you know, like 57 00:04:35,081 --> 00:04:39,281 Speaker 2: I don't do this destructive things, but there in my 58 00:04:39,361 --> 00:04:43,721 Speaker 2: mind sometimes you know, I get sick of being here and. 59 00:04:45,401 --> 00:04:47,241 Speaker 1: You know, just all that stuff. 60 00:04:48,041 --> 00:04:51,881 Speaker 2: I think I stayed at Paramatta for five months and 61 00:04:52,041 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: I got you know, segregation, isolation, detention, I got the 62 00:04:59,801 --> 00:05:01,161 Speaker 2: whole lot, and. 63 00:05:02,641 --> 00:05:05,481 Speaker 1: Along with the bashings that you know, it was just. 64 00:05:05,401 --> 00:05:09,041 Speaker 2: An ordinary clip over the ears. It was a clip 65 00:05:09,081 --> 00:05:15,161 Speaker 2: over the years and you're held by your ears, yeah, male, 66 00:05:16,241 --> 00:05:22,041 Speaker 2: and yeah, knees in under the ribs and yeah, just 67 00:05:22,081 --> 00:05:26,401 Speaker 2: really really bad. At one stage, I lost control of 68 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:31,241 Speaker 2: my bladder and my bowls with the bashing in isolation, 69 00:05:32,481 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 2: and so I was just told, you know that clean 70 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: my mess up, because you know, that's just the bad 71 00:05:39,281 --> 00:05:40,001 Speaker 2: coming out of you. 72 00:05:40,201 --> 00:05:44,841 Speaker 1: We were just yeah, just controlled. It was. They were 73 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:45,521 Speaker 1: just evil. 74 00:05:45,961 --> 00:05:49,721 Speaker 2: But anyway, I did the five months there and I 75 00:05:49,801 --> 00:05:54,441 Speaker 2: was mainly out in the in the laundry, away from 76 00:05:54,561 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: you know, like there was probably a few of us there, 77 00:05:58,841 --> 00:06:02,121 Speaker 2: you know, maybe ten or something that worked out the back. 78 00:06:02,241 --> 00:06:04,561 Speaker 2: I just got sick of it. They put me on 79 00:06:04,681 --> 00:06:09,161 Speaker 2: larger actual and I was sort of in the end, 80 00:06:09,201 --> 00:06:11,361 Speaker 2: I was I couldn't talk properly. 81 00:06:12,081 --> 00:06:16,041 Speaker 3: I shuffle to shuffle the lug actor shuffle. Yeah, as 82 00:06:16,081 --> 00:06:18,921 Speaker 3: I come through and I'm forty five and I came 83 00:06:18,961 --> 00:06:21,881 Speaker 3: through boys' homes. It was very common that we were 84 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,801 Speaker 3: given the log actor syrup and the lug actor shuffle 85 00:06:25,961 --> 00:06:28,561 Speaker 3: was always seeing and that you just sat there dribbling. 86 00:06:29,121 --> 00:06:31,601 Speaker 3: Your mind was awake, but your body was just gone. 87 00:06:31,841 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: You couldn't function. 88 00:06:34,561 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 89 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,321 Speaker 2: And another one I used to give to you, they 90 00:06:37,401 --> 00:06:39,801 Speaker 2: used to put it in our meals was bromite for. 91 00:06:39,801 --> 00:06:40,881 Speaker 1: Your sexual urges. 92 00:06:41,481 --> 00:06:43,601 Speaker 2: We used to hat to go over every afternoon to 93 00:06:43,681 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: the matron's office and she was a big Hungarian woman and. 94 00:06:50,361 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: She was pretty evil. Too. 95 00:06:53,721 --> 00:06:59,801 Speaker 2: Anyway, this particular day, I just decided i'd you know, well, 96 00:06:59,841 --> 00:07:01,961 Speaker 2: I'd done it a few times, but I actually got 97 00:07:02,001 --> 00:07:04,681 Speaker 2: caught this time spitting it out. 98 00:07:06,561 --> 00:07:10,441 Speaker 1: And what a lot of girls used to do was if. 99 00:07:10,241 --> 00:07:14,521 Speaker 2: Someone wanted it, they would just pass it through from 100 00:07:14,561 --> 00:07:18,681 Speaker 2: the mouth, yep. But mine used to just go and 101 00:07:19,601 --> 00:07:27,561 Speaker 2: I got caught for spinning it out. And the person Maye, 102 00:07:27,721 --> 00:07:30,441 Speaker 2: I can say names, you can say whatever you want. 103 00:07:30,441 --> 00:07:33,161 Speaker 3: This is your story and this is the clink. We 104 00:07:33,201 --> 00:07:34,841 Speaker 3: don't we're don't hold back of bullshit here. 105 00:07:37,441 --> 00:07:41,361 Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, mister Mayu came down. 106 00:07:41,481 --> 00:07:43,401 Speaker 2: I had to go up to the cot away and 107 00:07:43,481 --> 00:07:46,481 Speaker 2: in Paramatta there's this great big cement. A lot of 108 00:07:46,481 --> 00:07:52,241 Speaker 2: people would would A lot of women probably have been 109 00:07:52,281 --> 00:07:57,121 Speaker 2: there and yep, the listening and they understand what it is. 110 00:07:57,161 --> 00:07:59,401 Speaker 2: But that's what it is. This is a great big 111 00:07:59,441 --> 00:08:01,161 Speaker 2: cut away and you used to be able to sit 112 00:08:01,241 --> 00:08:03,841 Speaker 2: on the sides. It wasn't covered in or anything, only 113 00:08:03,921 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: on the roof. Anyway, I had to go up there, 114 00:08:07,921 --> 00:08:11,081 Speaker 2: and I knew I was gonna get a bashing, and 115 00:08:11,161 --> 00:08:14,521 Speaker 2: so I just had to stand and with add at 116 00:08:14,601 --> 00:08:19,241 Speaker 2: tench or at ease and until he came up came 117 00:08:19,401 --> 00:08:24,241 Speaker 2: out from his office. And so in those days we 118 00:08:24,321 --> 00:08:27,961 Speaker 2: used to have scrubbing brushes, but we also had tooth brushes, 119 00:08:29,081 --> 00:08:33,201 Speaker 2: and so we I had to scrub go downstairs into 120 00:08:33,281 --> 00:08:37,401 Speaker 2: the shower block and scrub the shower block and. 121 00:08:38,801 --> 00:08:40,841 Speaker 1: With a toothbrush and and the brush. 122 00:08:41,001 --> 00:08:45,441 Speaker 2: And next minute Maye and Guildford were deputy and deputy 123 00:08:45,481 --> 00:08:50,881 Speaker 2: and superintendent. They came down and was getting into me, 124 00:08:50,961 --> 00:08:54,441 Speaker 2: and but before they did, they gave me. 125 00:08:56,081 --> 00:08:57,441 Speaker 1: A a lot. 126 00:08:57,281 --> 00:09:01,001 Speaker 2: Of a a a dose of like actrel, and you 127 00:09:01,001 --> 00:09:04,001 Speaker 2: could see that it was doubled up. So I just 128 00:09:04,041 --> 00:09:06,401 Speaker 2: put in my mouth and I spat it back out 129 00:09:06,441 --> 00:09:08,721 Speaker 2: at him. And so I ended up getting one of 130 00:09:08,721 --> 00:09:11,441 Speaker 2: the first worst fashions I think I'd ever got. And 131 00:09:11,481 --> 00:09:17,281 Speaker 2: I they smashed my teeth into the sinks, and I 132 00:09:17,321 --> 00:09:21,001 Speaker 2: had I didn't realize until after, but I had a 133 00:09:21,001 --> 00:09:25,801 Speaker 2: broken nose, busted teeth, two brewe eyes that I couldn't sell, 134 00:09:25,881 --> 00:09:31,041 Speaker 2: black eyes that I couldn't see out of, and the 135 00:09:31,121 --> 00:09:33,881 Speaker 2: bucket of water was kicked over, and they told me 136 00:09:33,921 --> 00:09:36,321 Speaker 2: to get in and clean my mess up. So I 137 00:09:36,361 --> 00:09:40,801 Speaker 2: had to clean teeth, water, blood, the whole light up 138 00:09:41,841 --> 00:09:45,281 Speaker 2: and then stay down there. I couldn't lift my head. 139 00:09:46,081 --> 00:09:53,481 Speaker 2: I just it was so bad, Brent. And but anyway, 140 00:09:54,241 --> 00:09:58,481 Speaker 2: they put me in isolation, and in isolation you don't 141 00:09:58,481 --> 00:10:02,921 Speaker 2: do get showers. But at the back of the isolation 142 00:10:03,241 --> 00:10:09,001 Speaker 2: part of the isolate, there's one shower and it comes 143 00:10:09,041 --> 00:10:14,881 Speaker 2: straight off the wall and it's cold water and nothing 144 00:10:15,001 --> 00:10:20,161 Speaker 2: around you. So I had to get undressed in front 145 00:10:20,161 --> 00:10:28,521 Speaker 2: of the two males coal shower and just turn, just 146 00:10:28,641 --> 00:10:33,441 Speaker 2: had to keep turning under the cold shower. And I'd 147 00:10:33,481 --> 00:10:37,801 Speaker 2: never had a shower before ever in isolation, but that 148 00:10:38,081 --> 00:10:44,601 Speaker 2: was just there's sick minds. So I knew that I 149 00:10:44,681 --> 00:10:47,961 Speaker 2: was going to go to Hay. I was in isolation 150 00:10:48,161 --> 00:10:51,241 Speaker 2: for a while and then I was in detention for 151 00:10:51,281 --> 00:10:54,841 Speaker 2: a few weeks until my face went down. 152 00:10:56,841 --> 00:10:59,081 Speaker 3: So they made sure there was no trace of your 153 00:10:59,081 --> 00:11:00,361 Speaker 3: injuries before you left. 154 00:11:02,081 --> 00:11:06,201 Speaker 2: Yeah, but in my files, I've got my file, and 155 00:11:06,241 --> 00:11:10,041 Speaker 2: I've asked for him three times, three lots of different files, 156 00:11:10,121 --> 00:11:12,641 Speaker 2: because each time you got a little bit more in it, 157 00:11:13,001 --> 00:11:20,881 Speaker 2: they were holding them back. So yeah, mister Moylen, who 158 00:11:20,961 --> 00:11:25,641 Speaker 2: was the head guy from dos Or Welfare, he came 159 00:11:25,681 --> 00:11:31,081 Speaker 2: out to Paramatta and it's got in there that he 160 00:11:31,681 --> 00:11:39,041 Speaker 2: asked about me, and they said that I was in isolation, 161 00:11:39,241 --> 00:11:43,761 Speaker 2: but they didn't bring him over, so they just got 162 00:11:43,801 --> 00:11:48,201 Speaker 2: away with so much. But anyway, I went over detention 163 00:11:48,521 --> 00:11:52,001 Speaker 2: for a few weeks until my face all cleared up, 164 00:11:52,401 --> 00:11:55,561 Speaker 2: and then I was I was really over that, and 165 00:11:55,721 --> 00:12:01,081 Speaker 2: so at that stage I really didn't care what was happening. 166 00:12:02,441 --> 00:12:10,001 Speaker 1: I just took it. No Trump