Speaker 1: The Sky Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: You are so lucky if you were watching Sharry for
Speaker 2: the past hour, because the debate on Channel Line sucked.
Speaker 2: It really sucked. The format was garbage. Most of the
Speaker 2: questions were garbage. Okay, a little swing here, a little
Speaker 2: swing there, to give us a little bit of source
Speaker 2: to throw on the meat here tonight. But honestly, you
Speaker 2: didn't miss much. You truly didn't miss much. That said,
Speaker 2: there are five things worth pointing out. We will talk
Speaker 2: about them and debate them, but I'm not going to
Speaker 2: pretend this was the most riveting debate you've ever seen.
Speaker 2: It is almost as forgotten as you forgot that it
Speaker 2: was even on, and I'm glad.
Speaker 1: That you did.
Speaker 2: Thanks for watching us here on PULLMRIW Life here on
Speaker 2: scot Us tonight. We'll do analysis with Chris Kenny Joe
Speaker 2: Hildebrand in a second, and then we'll have plenty of
Speaker 2: fun for the rest of the show, as well as
Speaker 2: introduce you to somebody who I think is going to
Speaker 2: make quite an impact in the Senate should they get elected.
Speaker 1: But yep, let's get to it.
Speaker 2: The five things you need to know about this debate.
Speaker 2: Number one Dunton yet again nailed the Prime Minister on
Speaker 2: this medi caare medi scare lie. They keep saying it.
Speaker 2: They lied directly to the Australians each and every day.
Speaker 2: The media never take them up on it because they
Speaker 2: don't dest they don't want to be left off the
Speaker 2: Christmas card list of the bloke did they think or
Speaker 2: want to win? So I liked when Peter Dutton did
Speaker 2: this on National TV.
Speaker 1: When we were in government and I was the Health Minister.
Speaker 3: Hospital funding went up by sixteen percent and the Prime
Speaker 3: Minister stands here with a straight face and says what
Speaker 3: he knows not to be true. And I think again
Speaker 3: it'd be great to see him called out because he
Speaker 3: continues to repeat these mistruths and Australians deserve.
Speaker 1: Better from it. Well in their Prime Minister now.
Speaker 4: You described it as a cut if you were twenty
Speaker 4: fourteen budget described it as a cut as a saving
Speaker 4: if you'll.
Speaker 1: Been honest, A bit that fifty and.
Speaker 4: Health each and thirty B and and education every year
Speaker 4: the population is increasing. You had the allocation that had
Speaker 4: been previously put in the budget prior to you coming
Speaker 4: to World Office. You ripped eighty billion dollars out of
Speaker 4: those two items in two thousand and.
Speaker 3: Four, Minister, you couldn't slice straight in bed. Honestly, this
Speaker 3: is unbelievable.
Speaker 4: It can go to abuse.
Speaker 5: Well, it's just the abuse.
Speaker 4: That's a sign of desperation, Tea Frankly, as he's lying,
Speaker 4: that's a sign of desperation.
Speaker 2: Again, just a small thing, right like, Look, I'm a
Speaker 2: lucky bugger to do this job, but I've been doing
Speaker 2: it for long enough. If you do things that don't
Speaker 2: address the camera, it means you are not talking to
Speaker 2: the people at home. Again, the way it was all
Speaker 2: set up is that you have the moderator who wasn't
Speaker 2: between the two candidates, but was between the two elements
Speaker 2: of the debate, which is all of the people who
Speaker 2: work for the different things the channel ie owns and
Speaker 2: the two candidates. The candidates were then always either looking
Speaker 2: at each other or looking at the host, or looking
Speaker 2: at which meant see, they're never actually looking at you.
Speaker 2: I found that irritating for the hour. Remember it is
Speaker 2: about you, but this was one of those little media
Speaker 2: examples where it was about them.
Speaker 1: But I like that moment.
Speaker 2: Phil Coury, though I'm not going to throw him as
Speaker 2: out with the Bathwater. Here he was best on ground
Speaker 2: the blog from the Financial Review. I think he's one
Speaker 2: of the best in the Camber Press Gallery. So every
Speaker 2: time I bag the Camber Press Gallery, imagine there's an
Speaker 2: asterisk next to it. And Philip Kurry is the exception
Speaker 2: to that rule. Here's what he said when it came
Speaker 2: to cost of living.
Speaker 1: Good question.
Speaker 2: Remember number one issue should have been the whole debate
Speaker 2: rather than well, just this bit.
Speaker 6: Mister Albert, As you said three years ago that people
Speaker 6: would be better off under labor at the end of
Speaker 6: the first term.
Speaker 1: I would suspect that's most people don't think.
Speaker 6: Tard me thinks that that's the case at the moment.
Speaker 6: So why should voters trust you to give you trust
Speaker 6: you for another three years.
Speaker 4: Well, Phil, we understand that many people are doing it tough,
Speaker 4: which is why we've provided significant cost of living relief,
Speaker 4: but we've had to do it in a way that
Speaker 4: put that downward pressure on inflation as a result, inflation
Speaker 4: as a two in front of it.
Speaker 6: Are you prepared to repeat that pledge that in another
Speaker 6: three years time.
Speaker 4: Oh, we certainly want people to be better off in
Speaker 4: three years time, and that is what it's to be the.
Speaker 2: Problem was three years ago you promised they would be
Speaker 2: that promise clearly broken. Elections are looking back at the
Speaker 2: job of the past three years and deciding do you
Speaker 2: rehire the same people to do the same job. Do
Speaker 2: you reward just a different version of the same lie again,
Speaker 2: Philip coury again with a question where he takes up
Speaker 2: to date. Well done, team, where it takes up to
Speaker 2: date the question around the budget.
Speaker 1: Now again, Phill's the.
Speaker 2: Type of person who, like you, me, Joe and Chris,
Speaker 2: we count the grains of sand on the beach. It
Speaker 2: seemed that this debate was pitched to the people who
Speaker 2: needed to be reminded there was a beach, Which is
Speaker 2: why the Prime Minister can turn around and sort of
Speaker 2: pretend what the history was, pretend that he's fighting the
Speaker 2: twenty and twelve election, or the two thousand and seven election,
Speaker 2: or the twenty and fifty two election, because his assumption
Speaker 2: is that most people don't follow the detail. Well, thankfully
Speaker 2: Phil does, which meant he was able to poke this
Speaker 2: one straight in the middle of the Prime Minister's garbage.
Speaker 1: PM.
Speaker 6: Look, you mentioned your two surpluses tonight and if we
Speaker 6: can just take issue the seventy eight billion you inheritor
Speaker 6: was actually deficit was actually a forecast. The actual number
Speaker 6: was thirty one billion.
Speaker 4: When what was forecast by the former gouvern.
Speaker 6: Sure, but the actual number was thirty one and next
Speaker 6: to your forecasting a forty two billion dollar surplus, which
Speaker 6: is bigger in both dollar terms and as a share
Speaker 6: of the economy. So you could argue the budget's actually
Speaker 6: worse it in terms of deficit.
Speaker 2: Ooh, facts, facts, it actually matters, It should matter. I
Speaker 2: think it's going to matter to more people, and that's
Speaker 2: going to be some part of a surprise in some
Speaker 2: seats in some places because again.
Speaker 1: The media think it's all about Trump.
Speaker 2: Hook hook, it's all about you know, lies that are
Speaker 2: ten years old from the Labor Party, or lies that
Speaker 2: have been how many elections in a row when it
Speaker 2: comes to medicare, despite the fact that the Liberal Party
Speaker 2: always spends more each and every year and in this
Speaker 2: election is promising to spend even more.
Speaker 1: Than the Labor Party feeding which.
Speaker 2: Brings me to what I think was one of the
Speaker 2: stage directions for the way this debate was put together. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously media organizations, they have their way of doing things
Speaker 2: or what they think the audience wants.
Speaker 1: I think that was part of the.
Speaker 2: Construction of this debate, which was about trying to finish
Speaker 2: off Peter Dutton. If they were able to do so,
Speaker 2: then what they would like to get to, which is
Speaker 2: the coronation of the great lefty king, the twenty first
Speaker 2: century Hawk, the twenty second century Whitlam. Because have a
Speaker 2: look at the questions, and again when the questions were
Speaker 2: a bit of a surprise, that always got to Dutton first,
Speaker 2: giving Albo a chance to think of the smart answer
Speaker 2: for the comparing contrast, just a little thing, but we
Speaker 2: notice this stuff.
Speaker 6: You've had your fair share of stumbles and one memorable
Speaker 6: policy backflip on the work from home.
Speaker 1: But probably one of.
Speaker 6: The bigger factors, overriding factors, has been a tendency of
Speaker 6: voters to associate you in a negative fashion with Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: What do you say to those voters out there, I
Speaker 6: think you're alive version of the unpopular US president.
Speaker 5: Mister Dutton.
Speaker 7: Given Phil's point there that people aren't feeling better, why
Speaker 7: aren't you miles ahead in this election? And more to
Speaker 7: the point, why are you seemingly quite a long way
Speaker 7: behind when it comes to women of a working age.
Speaker 8: Mister Dutton, is it still the best use of taxpayer
Speaker 8: dollars to be harving the fel exides? Do you still
Speaker 8: think that you would be the only leader on earth
Speaker 8: to get a better deal for Australia on Tarrett's but not.
Speaker 1: The talking points?
Speaker 5: Not we've heard that time.
Speaker 8: What do you stand mister Dutton. We don't see a
Speaker 8: lot of your softer side. Do you think that your
Speaker 8: time as a police officer led you to have a
Speaker 8: black and white view of the world?
Speaker 2: Now, perfect example that last question there, right, what do
Speaker 2: you do? There's the natural personality that says I beg
Speaker 2: your pardon. Of course, the real answer is, look, yes,
Speaker 2: a serious person who works hard on serious things, things
Speaker 2: like the border, things like police, things like building my
Speaker 2: own business. And yes, I'm not going to be a
Speaker 2: flashy prime minister who's going to be firing the money
Speaker 2: cannon the way that this bloke does. But I promise
Speaker 2: you this will turn up each and every day blah.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah bah blah.
Speaker 2: But of course in his head. And this is the
Speaker 2: way the media works, right, The psychological warfare of just a.
Speaker 1: Bash bash bash bash bash bash bash.
Speaker 2: The multi front attack on your personality is well, if
Speaker 2: I'm too aggressive, they're going to interpret that. So it's
Speaker 2: all designed to become a fumble. And then if it
Speaker 2: becomes a fumble, then see he's not up to the seat.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying about.
Speaker 2: Just all of the little again right game, recognize this game. Okay,
Speaker 2: I put a bit of thinking into what I say
Speaker 2: on the telly. I'm assuming they put a bit of
Speaker 2: thinking into what they said on the telly. I'm assuming
Speaker 2: the very same television network that remember was running Mission
Speaker 2: Accomplished months months before inflation was anywhere between two and
Speaker 2: three percent, are the same people making the decision. They
Speaker 2: like the current administration for whatever reason. And this multi
Speaker 2: host thing sucks.
Speaker 1: It really sucks.
Speaker 2: Because in the people's forum we have a moderator who
Speaker 2: can follow up. But the point of the debate is
Speaker 2: members of public asker question. The X factor is they
Speaker 2: don't ask a question like a reporter, and because they're
Speaker 2: not a reporter, they have to answer it nice good format, right,
Speaker 2: ABC format that they decided to go with single host
Speaker 2: meant you could follow up and we got the moments
Speaker 2: like we did about our bow failing to be able
Speaker 2: to say when power prices were going down. But if
Speaker 2: everyone gets a turn in your two and you never
Speaker 2: get a momentum up to start to say, this is
Speaker 2: the meaty part.
Speaker 1: And remember what.
Speaker 2: Did Mike Tyson say, Everyone's got a plan in a
Speaker 2: fight until we get punched in the face. So okay,
Speaker 2: everyone had their moment. It's TV fairness. If someone's got
Speaker 2: the better question, then let's do that for the next
Speaker 2: five minutes. But sadly, again, it just wasn't that way.
Speaker 2: And I like Alie, okay, so this is not me
Speaker 2: whacking into her. It's the way the thing was constructed.
Speaker 1: All right. Again, I like.
Speaker 2: Phil, but it's the way this thing was constructed.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So the multipanel thing garbage because it also means that
Speaker 2: when everyone gets a turn, you don't get to things
Speaker 2: that matter to people, right, you don't talk about immigration
Speaker 2: in a proper sense. Prime and is still still rubbing
Speaker 2: this garbage in that the reason the net migration was
Speaker 2: higher was because Australians were coming home. They're already Australians.
Speaker 2: They don't count in that overall number. But he's just
Speaker 2: allowed to say it and nobody doubles up on it.
Speaker 2: Because this is the debate for the people who just
Speaker 2: remember the beaches. They're not the people who count come on.
Speaker 2: This is the very rare opportunity, once every three years
Speaker 2: to actually hold them to a little bit of detail.
Speaker 2: That said, it did like one thing about the debate,
Speaker 2: and it's a mark of most of the TV debates,
Speaker 2: and it'll be the same one for Channel seven, which
Speaker 2: is coming up on Sunday. And don't you lugh have
Speaker 2: every other TV station doesn't mention the other TV station
Speaker 2: the debates are on. You see, I'm adult enough to
Speaker 2: realize that while this is the best and you're watching
Speaker 2: this right now and we're number one in your head,
Speaker 2: in your heart old school TV, there's one hundred options,
Speaker 2: and then there's this, and then there's this, and then
Speaker 2: there's this, and then there's this.
Speaker 5: I know them all right.
Speaker 2: So when it's on Channel two, I'll say it's on
Speaker 2: Channel two. When it's on Channel seven, I say it's
Speaker 2: on Channel seve. I'm gonna say commercial TV. What was
Speaker 2: the wankers from the ABC A paywall subscription TV?
Speaker 1: Please pull the other one who plays jingle bells? But
Speaker 1: I did like that.
Speaker 2: They've always sort of go for that, So what do
Speaker 2: you want to say that's nice about each other? And
Speaker 2: what I like about this is because they squirm, right,
Speaker 2: because they overly hate each other, and why wouldn't they.
Speaker 2: It's the Grand Final, it's the start of the third quarter.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure both of the players who might get
Speaker 2: on the cans when they go to Bali after the game.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to have much to say before the
Speaker 2: game is over, but it's fun watching them squirm.
Speaker 8: Prime Minister, you've called mister Dutton means spirited and cold hearted?
Speaker 9: What are three things you admire about him?
Speaker 4: Three?
Speaker 1: I only ever prepare for one problem. Let me say this.
Speaker 1: He bat's way above his average with.
Speaker 4: Kirily. He has a terrific family. I've had the privilege
Speaker 4: and he clearly cares about them, and that's a terrific thing.
Speaker 4: Longevity in politics, he's we've been in Parliament for basically
Speaker 4: the same amount of time, almost both been there for
Speaker 4: more than twenty years. That's an achievement. And Peter in
Speaker 4: that time as well, has had a tough seat that
Speaker 4: he's contested consistently over a long period of time.
Speaker 6: There you go.
Speaker 8: It was a glowing endorsement, wasn't I rested Upton. Now
Speaker 8: you've called mister Alben Easy the weakest prime minister we've
Speaker 8: had since federation. Can you say something nice and to
Speaker 8: make it fair?
Speaker 7: Three things?
Speaker 3: Well, I'll start with family as well, and I admire
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's fathership. Nathan's a great young bloke. And
Speaker 3: similarly with Jody. I've come to know Jody and meet
Speaker 3: her at different events and have a great deal of
Speaker 3: respect for them both, and I wish them well.
Speaker 1: As well.
Speaker 3: And truly the case, I again acknowledged the Prime Minister's
Speaker 3: support of AUCAS from opposition, and it wasn't an easy outcome.
Speaker 3: As he pointed out, he was satisfied that nuclear energy
Speaker 3: was safe, but he'd got that through caucus, which was
Speaker 3: a difficult thing. And Aucas when we negotiated it, it was
Speaker 3: about underpinning our security for the next century. And that's three.
Speaker 1: Isn't it all right?
Speaker 2: Joining me now, Chris Kenny, Joe Hildebrand, Chris, what are
Speaker 2: three things you could say that's nice about I.
Speaker 1: Do love it right, and I liked it about it.
Speaker 1: We only prepare for one right, but it is that thing.
Speaker 1: It is. It's I get why they asked the question,
Speaker 1: but the.
Speaker 2: Idea that these have got to be dancing monkeys as
Speaker 2: well as people.
Speaker 10: You're going to premiership, you've got to be quick on
Speaker 10: your feet. He should have said what I like about Albo.
Speaker 10: He supports Ozzie Rules because I've seen him in a
Speaker 10: Hawthorne scarf. Secondly, I like that he supports Ozzie Rules
Speaker 10: because I seen him in a Collingwood scarf. I likely
Speaker 10: supports the AFL because I've seen him in a swanscar.
Speaker 5: Yes, well done, a lady and coming out all right.
Speaker 2: Now we'll get to the boring of it in a second,
Speaker 2: but let's put that to one side because obviously I
Speaker 2: don't want to have a conversation about how boring something
Speaker 2: he is, because that is a boring conversation in and
Speaker 2: of itself. But of what you saw, Apparently that panel,
Speaker 2: by the way, host not including down Allison Langdon two
Speaker 2: to one said Dotton won the debate. Try and work
Speaker 2: out who the breakdown was. Peter, Sorry, Chris, your thoughts off,
Speaker 2: Peter dun't and Anthony Evenuez.
Speaker 10: Look, you know I agree with you that it was
Speaker 10: a bit too boring. There's no doubt that Peter Dutton
Speaker 10: tried to go the biff. He tried to attack Anthony
Speaker 10: Alban easy. I think he's got to go harder. Sure,
Speaker 10: we know you're appealing to swinging voters and they might
Speaker 10: not like the aggressive politics and the like, but you've
Speaker 10: kind of got one shot in the locker year. He's
Speaker 10: running out of time and Albo is telling lies. Albo
Speaker 10: is running a false campaign about six hundred billion dollar
Speaker 10: nuclear plants and fanciful work cuts to medicare. In the light,
Speaker 10: you've got to call him out, but you've got to
Speaker 10: do it hard enough so that you put Albow on
Speaker 10: the back foot. And he didn't really embarrass embarrass our
Speaker 10: Bow tonight. It was too comfortable for him, partly because
Speaker 10: of the sum of the things you said about the
Speaker 10: questioning and breaking up the flow.
Speaker 1: I thought that the.
Speaker 10: Biggest harm that Albow suffered tonight was at his own hand,
Speaker 10: and it was from that question from Phil Corey.
Speaker 1: And this is a bloke who said, I'm going to
Speaker 1: lower your cost of living.
Speaker 10: I'm going to lower your mortgages, I'm going to lower
Speaker 10: interest rates, I'm going to lower your electricity prices. And
Speaker 10: the best he could say this time, he says, well,
Speaker 10: I want everyone to be better off in three years time. Bang,
Speaker 10: that shows how you've blown your promises and you haven't
Speaker 10: got the balls to promise it again because you know
Speaker 10: no one will believe you.
Speaker 1: Funnily enough, here it is.
Speaker 6: Are you prepared to repeat that pledge that in another
Speaker 6: three years time?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: We certainly want people to be better off in three
Speaker 4: years time, and that is what it's about.
Speaker 1: That's his promise, right, We all want to be better off, mate.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be your job to do something about it,
Speaker 1: all right, Joe.
Speaker 2: Greatest performance of the greatest prime minister of all time,
Speaker 2: no doubt the signal messages between yourself, Antony Otherne and
Speaker 2: Pete Higss whatsoever.
Speaker 5: We just communicate telepathically.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 11: I thought it was actually done strongest debate performance to date.
Speaker 11: But again, unfortunately and Dudden has been very star crossed
Speaker 11: in this election campaign. He's had a lot of bad luck.
Speaker 11: There's been a lot of own goals and you know,
Speaker 11: grenades dropped his.
Speaker 5: Feet as well. But he has had bad luck.
Speaker 11: And I think this was the most boring debate of
Speaker 11: the three we've had so far. But it was also
Speaker 11: the one that Dunton actually did the best, that I
Speaker 11: actually thought him taking the PM on bulk billing rates
Speaker 11: was stronger than arguing over whether they did or didn't
Speaker 11: cut the budget.
Speaker 2: And the best thing about a boring debate is people
Speaker 2: turn off, right, So and that was that was that
Speaker 2: was frontlinered.
Speaker 1: That was first five.
Speaker 11: I mean right, yeah, I found it really I was obviously,
Speaker 11: you know, doing the cryptic crossword on the side. So
Speaker 11: I thought it was sort of about a draw, probably
Speaker 11: because I think the PM is just so sort of
Speaker 11: match fit at this sort of stuff, and he does
Speaker 11: it by just kind of just throwing a kind of
Speaker 11: fire blanket on everything he gets asked, and he's sort
Speaker 11: of and the way he answers, for example, Phil Corey
Speaker 11: and I share you. I'm with you on Phil Corey.
Speaker 11: I think he's one of the best journals around. But
Speaker 11: the way he basically of course because he's the one
Speaker 11: who voted for albow, the one who says that he
Speaker 11: won but the other two said it was done, but
Speaker 11: also the one that was toughest on him as well,
Speaker 11: which I think speaks to his his his integrity and intelligence.
Speaker 11: But again, so you know, he says, you know, will
Speaker 11: you say this thing that you said last time? And Albow.
Speaker 11: I called it tactical obfuscation, pretends that.
Speaker 5: Tactically he there to answer the question.
Speaker 11: You answer as though what you said last time was
Speaker 11: that you wanted people to be better off, and there
Speaker 11: is no thing. But I think just the fact that
Speaker 11: prepoles are already open, the fact that the campaign, I
Speaker 11: think the campaign is kind of a bit run and done.
Speaker 1: Well so to this point.
Speaker 2: Right, So tonight we learn from the Australian Electoral Commission
Speaker 2: more than half a million people have voted on day one.
Speaker 2: Now I think we're going to see massive numbers because
Speaker 2: we're in this sort of gray week right now where
Speaker 2: collection of people may well just have these three days
Speaker 2: off because of public holidays on either side. Also, I
Speaker 2: think that for let's be honest, those that have already
Speaker 2: made up their minds, so let's say that's sixty seventy percent,
Speaker 2: they just want to get it banked and done right.
Speaker 2: I say, and I've said this to the viewers of
Speaker 2: this program, go and vote tomorrow, right, Go and vote tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I'll go through all the reasons why I think what
Speaker 2: that vote should be, but I just say, go and
Speaker 2: bank it right, because it's not like a postal.
Speaker 1: Vote where oh maybe three days later.
Speaker 2: No, No, if you vote tomorrow, it's counted on the night,
Speaker 2: all right, We're going to see it as part of
Speaker 2: the result. And it just means the focus of the
Speaker 2: conversation becomes the truly undecided. It's rather than people who
Speaker 2: just want the ritual. Here's the thing. It's not illegal
Speaker 2: on election day to go to multiple schools and get
Speaker 2: their democracy sausages, all right, just to check what the
Speaker 2: post is alike. You don't have to go and actually vote.
Speaker 2: But what does it say that half a minion have
Speaker 2: done it on day one?
Speaker 10: I don't like this and I'd like to officially announced tonight.
Speaker 10: From now on, after today's events, everybody on air at
Speaker 10: Sky News is going to be voting pre poll at
Speaker 10: Kuyong and trying to get a chat with Moni, right
Speaker 10: and in the absent TV.
Speaker 1: What this is?
Speaker 8: This is?
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that, apart from a disgraceful way
Speaker 2: to treat a great person.
Speaker 1: In Laura Joys, who we all know another around here, right,
Speaker 1: But but what about I mean, it's a.
Speaker 2: Little instinct right into this rather imperious manner that many
Speaker 2: of the tales have, right, which is, look, I'm involved
Speaker 2: in the democratic process.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a single vote the queue. Literally that was
Speaker 1: that lovely accidental moment. No one is there. No, you misinterpreted.
Speaker 10: Not only was she standing there imperiously, she was thinking
Speaker 10: about how her husband's had orders under home not to
Speaker 10: steal any more posters. Her contribution to the Democrat anyway,
Speaker 10: back to your point, though, the reason people vote early. Sure,
Speaker 10: you've made up your mind, so you want to get
Speaker 10: it out of the way, and look, it's handy, especially.
Speaker 1: If you're elderly or sick.
Speaker 10: Do you want to go when there's not big crowds
Speaker 10: and whatever. But I love the big day and I
Speaker 10: think about what could unfold that could change people's minds.
Speaker 10: And I suppose, as you say, if you're undecided, you
Speaker 10: wait till then.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying the hard cause, right, the ones who
Speaker 2: knew four years ago what they were going to do
Speaker 2: at this election, then go and bank it again.
Speaker 1: I like the ritual.
Speaker 2: And the problem that I have with everyone not voting
Speaker 2: at the same time is we have so few things
Speaker 2: that are genuine collective experiences anymore. The idea of everyone
Speaker 2: on a single day in the same way that the
Speaker 2: census isn't over a two week period. It's okay, on
Speaker 2: this day to night, what's going on. It's on this
Speaker 2: day what So I agree, but I'm just saying that
Speaker 2: it is a process that no one seemingly wants to unwind.
Speaker 2: But also it speaks to what I've been talking about
Speaker 2: for certainly during this campaign you have two of course boys,
Speaker 2: which is you needed to front load your message, the
Speaker 2: idea that you could crest in the air. He is
Speaker 2: so old school, right, which is why ALBERTIZI decided to
Speaker 2: promise the billions of dollars from January. Right from January
Speaker 2: he's been banging on with the forty something almost fifty
Speaker 2: billion dollars, right. It's why the Libs when they started
Speaker 2: to wabble a bit after that first parliamentary week and
Speaker 2: it was all about lunches, they should have had the
Speaker 2: attack ads straight out and hitting hard. And I think
Speaker 2: that the hardest hit on Albo should have been. And
Speaker 2: I think one of the great creative devices around modern
Speaker 2: elections was in two thousand and seven when the leaders
Speaker 2: were responding to the other leaders' ads, right, literally turn
Speaker 2: around and say Elbow's lying about ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 2: Stop the lies, because then it shows what a red
Speaker 2: line and you're not willing to do, and then it
Speaker 2: sets and expectations in the questions the media have to
Speaker 2: answer instead a little too slow and the assumption was
Speaker 2: we're waiting, and then the elections off for two weeks
Speaker 2: and all of that has helped give the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: this soft campaign for a while, which is why I
Speaker 2: think there's that certain feeling to get in there. One
Speaker 2: more on the debate though, can we show that again?
Speaker 2: That question from Deborahnight from nine Radio to gb Prince
Speaker 2: where she's the Money news host, where she asked the
Speaker 2: question of Peter Dutton that I think is designed frankly
Speaker 2: to trip him up and also to editorialize to say
Speaker 2: I don't like him.
Speaker 1: That's it. She said that he won the debate.
Speaker 8: Mister Dutton, we don't see a lot of your softer side.
Speaker 8: Do you think that your time as a police officer
Speaker 8: led you to have a black and white view of
Speaker 8: the world?
Speaker 2: Now the rapid response teams Labor Party sees Richard Miles
Speaker 2: doing his bit to be Deputy Prime Minister. Because of
Speaker 2: course those free flights, well they don't pay for themselves.
Speaker 1: Well, that's right, they.
Speaker 12: Do well tonight, I think we saw the most significant
Speaker 12: contrast between the two leaders. We had a Prime Minister
Speaker 12: who was calm and considered in the way he responded,
Speaker 12: and we had an opposition leader who was agro and
Speaker 12: increasingly looks desperate.
Speaker 2: But anyway, but that question from Deborah Knight, and again, look,
Speaker 2: I'm going to get in trouble because of the dynamics
Speaker 2: between companies all the rest of it. I think the
Speaker 2: question is framed in a relatively nasty sense because I mean, okay,
Speaker 2: yes he was a police officer, but does that mean
Speaker 2: he's nasty thirty years later, and what is the assumption
Speaker 2: that all police officers are nasty?
Speaker 11: Yeah, look, I love deb I did think it was
Speaker 11: a pretty odd question. I mean, both major parties bend
Speaker 11: over backwards. They will, you know, walk over their dead
Speaker 11: grandmothers to get a hold of X cops or ex
Speaker 11: military figures to run as candidates because they are generally
Speaker 11: considered to be incredibly trusted and respected in the community.
Speaker 11: And that's why you have figures like you know, Mike
Speaker 11: Keurley and Andrew Hasty in the Parliament, and that's why
Speaker 11: the white Peter Dutton's there as well. In No small parts.
Speaker 11: So I thought it was a little bit odd. I
Speaker 11: think it does. I suppose speak though to a problem
Speaker 11: that Dutton does have, which is and again I feel
Speaker 11: for him, because he's you know, he's got this sort
Speaker 11: of narrow band with in.
Speaker 1: Which is a problem. Is it a box they try
Speaker 1: to put him.
Speaker 11: Well, here's a box they try to put him in,
Speaker 11: and it's a box that he seems to be struggling
Speaker 11: to break out of. And so and I think you're
Speaker 11: right with the mind games he goes, I can't come
Speaker 11: out and one route to her. It's a female, right, It's.
Speaker 5: Just but it is just the way it's happened.
Speaker 11: And you're absolutely right that all these policies, I mean
Speaker 11: talk about not doing the work. These policies needed to
Speaker 11: have been stress tested. They needed to be more meat
Speaker 11: on the bone. The more controversial ones should have either
Speaker 11: a been air rated earlier so they could have been
Speaker 11: finailed and finessed so they weren't scary anymore, or so
Speaker 11: that people were just sick of them. They'd gotten used
Speaker 11: to the idea that working from home as a classic
Speaker 11: exam I mean, that was just so toxic. And this
Speaker 11: was coming up in labor research was clearly coming up
Speaker 11: with the coalition's research. Why were they only discovering this
Speaker 11: in the middle of an election campaign? And a campaign
Speaker 11: again with the preposs I've been told from Labour sorts
Speaker 11: that maybe even more than half of voters might vote
Speaker 11: in prepoles, A majority of voters voting before polling day
Speaker 11: has even happened. That changes the entire dynamic of an
Speaker 11: election completely. That means that you have to be tapering
Speaker 11: so that you are peaking right now, and instead he
Speaker 11: is the coalition is so far behind right now. Even
Speaker 11: if they have a blinder of the last week and
Speaker 11: turn around and take the lead, they have to effectively
Speaker 11: take that not the lead then in that week, but
Speaker 11: they have to take back all the votes they have lost.
Speaker 11: So you know, if they go from fifty two to
Speaker 11: forty eight behind now to fifty two to forty eight
Speaker 11: ahead now in the last week, they actually have to
Speaker 11: be fifty four forty six ahead in order to get yeah,
Speaker 11: to make up for all the votes that have already
Speaker 11: gone Again.
Speaker 2: True, but sorry, Chris, I know you're about to make another sorry.
Speaker 2: But but again, I think all of us collectively. I'm talking
Speaker 2: about himself as well.
Speaker 1: Careful with the.
Speaker 2: Two party preferred stuff, because that preference we just don't know, right,
Speaker 2: because I mean we we make assumptions. Look, you can
Speaker 2: make an assumptions about how loyal a green where a
Speaker 2: green preference is going to go a til preference, okay,
Speaker 2: but generally to the left right. One nation is two
Speaker 2: points higher than they got at the last election. Yet
Speaker 2: banging on about this because it matters, right, five points
Speaker 2: of the last election seven nationally and we know in
Speaker 2: certain areas seven is going to be ten and twelve
Speaker 2: in other places.
Speaker 1: Will that be enough? Who knows.
Speaker 2: We'll all find out together. We'll all be on here together.
Speaker 2: But no doubt the being first on with the post analysis.
Speaker 1: I like the ankle, all right, Chris fin agree with you.
Speaker 10: You don't want to be talking about this is if
Speaker 10: it's all over for the coalition. Now it's very close
Speaker 10: to the polling here and as that sort of election
Speaker 10: where it'll be changes in different sorts of seats like
Speaker 10: the poles are probably being held up by South Australia
Speaker 10: and West Australia where there's popular state labor governments and
Speaker 10: the likes.
Speaker 1: So we'll wait and see.
Speaker 10: But on this campaigning, it's not just about the Liberals
Speaker 10: running the campaign. You're having the front end load a
Speaker 10: lot of the stuff. Everything's changed, und I mean the
Speaker 10: whole idea and now with modern digital media and transport
Speaker 10: and social media and all the rest of it, that
Speaker 10: we have a five week campaign, will they each get
Speaker 10: a plane to fly around the country and we're doing
Speaker 10: that's outdated and the politicians need to understand that you've
Speaker 10: got to win the debate's long term and.
Speaker 1: Carry people with you.
Speaker 10: But I don't want to go back to the point
Speaker 10: you started on some of those questions now dead Night.
Speaker 10: I've worked with her too, a lot of respect for her,
Speaker 10: but those questions kind of betray the audience.
Speaker 1: She's nine radio right the trade a track.
Speaker 10: He's driving around the Western Sydney au and they're listening
Speaker 10: to her dissing a.
Speaker 1: Twenty five per cent cut in the a leader cut
Speaker 1: in petrol tax.
Speaker 10: Now these people are celebrating that they need it, and
Speaker 10: also the idea that a copper is a problem because
Speaker 10: he's too black and white. No coppers are revered by
Speaker 10: mainstream Australians. We need more coppers and we need more
Speaker 10: coppers to go into politics again.
Speaker 2: Slive missed opportunity potentially from Dunton in the moment. But again,
Speaker 2: what belies the mistake in the question.
Speaker 1: In Victoria, people like the cops at the moment, right.
Speaker 2: Crime's quite an issue, right, so much so that I
Speaker 2: keep talking about this.
Speaker 1: Eventually I got to go and find the grab for you.
Speaker 2: Sevent thirty point they went door knocking with the candidates
Speaker 2: in Chisholm, and there was a lady who I'd make
Speaker 2: a pretty good bet was able to speak multiple languages.
Speaker 2: She said through her wire door crime. I don't care
Speaker 2: if it's a status, your federal issue it see anything
Speaker 2: I care about, And then started to list all of
Speaker 2: the things that have happened. Okay, does that mean that
Speaker 2: there's going to be some giant surprise? Every pole is wrong,
Speaker 2: every book is out, and everyone's going to make a
Speaker 2: million bucks going the other way? Probably not, but there
Speaker 2: is going to be some surprises. So when you start
Speaker 2: to say, oh, copper is hard edged, copper is bad,
Speaker 2: laning on copper is the solution to a problem in
Speaker 2: other parts of it?
Speaker 1: What about asking Albow if he's ever had a real job. Yeah?
Speaker 2: Correct, as they do that, do you think when you
Speaker 2: worked as a bank teller for one year in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety three that that made you a dot dot dot And.
Speaker 1: Where was the question to have.
Speaker 10: These policies you're talking about, Olbow, that are going to
Speaker 10: lower our electricity prices and give us a secure electricity supplies.
Speaker 10: Aren't they the ones that you've been implementing for the
Speaker 10: last three years that have done the opposite.
Speaker 1: He just gets away with a fair bit, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ondred percent All right, lads, I do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: It made it all continue. We'll see you all again
Speaker 2: in some version over the next couple of days five o'clock.
Speaker 2: That's when Primetime kicks in. You can see it with
Speaker 2: Chris Kenny each and every night, and Joe's on a
Speaker 2: show sometime too.
Speaker 5: A week some time of it. There might be time
Speaker 5: of day when I'm not on a show.
Speaker 1: Thank you, lads, all right, more in a moment here
Speaker 1: on Poor Verry Live. Thanks for watching. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for watching. Apparently my girls are still watching it.
Speaker 2: I know at school holidays become ndolence Off to bed soon,
Speaker 2: all right. Joe Hildebrand is in fact carry over champ
Speaker 2: I apology.
Speaker 11: I told you I am never not on company and
Speaker 11: I just had to stick around.
Speaker 5: To prove it.
Speaker 1: James Ashby, of course, with one nation, he joins us.
Speaker 2: Now, where are you in the country, mate? Nice and
Speaker 2: at Hime, no Christmas tree.
Speaker 5: I'm in your poon.
Speaker 13: This is the this is the first night in a
Speaker 13: long time I've slept in my bed during this campaign.
Speaker 13: So it's nice to be Hime and I miss Linda Weresley.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: All right, Well you've got a bit of a family situation,
Speaker 2: so strength and love to her and her family at
Speaker 2: the moment. All right, So we'll get into this, okay,
Speaker 2: So I mentioned this before half a million people voted today.
Speaker 2: My view is, if you are firm in your views,
Speaker 2: go and vote as early as possible, because it all
Speaker 2: gets counted on the day. That said, in my view,
Speaker 2: that's been anythings to think about as you head off
Speaker 2: to make that vote. Be it tomorrow, be it next week,
Speaker 2: be it on election day. And it's not just a
Speaker 2: choice about whether it's Anthony Abernezi for another three years,
Speaker 2: whether it's Peter Dunton fo the next three years. It's
Speaker 2: about the fundamental things that have happened in the three years.
Speaker 2: These are the receipts of the poor performance of the
Speaker 2: government that we have had. Remember their promise that the
Speaker 2: last election was that under a labor government they would
Speaker 2: lower the cost of living.
Speaker 1: Reality, supermarkets shunk straight through the roof.
Speaker 2: Oh but they're price gouging, they're taking the pibles right.
Speaker 2: Come on, of course, Jim charmers. Now he said on
Speaker 2: two budget surpluses, which meant he was able to say, here,
Speaker 2: I am the great economic manager. But this is all
Speaker 2: built on taking more tax from more workers than ever before.
Speaker 2: And even then he took fifteen hundred bucks off ten
Speaker 2: million workers. Petrol and booze. That increased taxes on those
Speaker 2: to now the highest ever sixty three percent of a
Speaker 2: bottle of Bundy rum. That is tax, fifty cents of
Speaker 2: every leader of petrol. That is tax.
Speaker 1: When it comes to power bills, you remember the promise
Speaker 1: they made last time.
Speaker 4: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy five dollars a year. There'll be
Speaker 4: reduction for household of two hundred and seven five dollars.
Speaker 2: But now, because he knows that was a lie last time,
Speaker 2: he's not even pretending to lie this time.
Speaker 5: When will we see our power bills come down.
Speaker 4: They are Well, what we know is that renewables are
Speaker 4: the cheapest form of power, not because of what we say,
Speaker 4: but because of what the Australian Energy Market Operator says.
Speaker 4: When do the bills come down and what the market
Speaker 4: is delivering.
Speaker 5: Just stick with your plan, mister Albinezy. When will the
Speaker 5: bills come.
Speaker 4: Down under our plan? We know that renewables are the
Speaker 4: cheapest form of power. Gas is now thirteen dollars worth thirty.
Speaker 1: Dollars and when we came cheaper, when.
Speaker 4: We came off, thirteen is cheaper than thirty.
Speaker 2: If you vote tomorrow, if you've vote next week, if
Speaker 2: you've vote on May third, I hope you think about
Speaker 2: this about the number of Australians who right now one
Speaker 2: point six million homes are in mortgage stress, meaning they
Speaker 2: can't afford the twelve interest rate rises when one went
Speaker 2: up before the last election. Cost of living crisis reason
Speaker 2: to change the government? Twelve minus one eleven is apparently
Speaker 2: a reason to re elect Two out of three people
Speaker 2: can't afford their rent, three million people on the verge
Speaker 2: of homelessness, three point seven million households will run out
Speaker 2: of food, but the government spends more money advertising itself
Speaker 2: with your taxpayer dollars than it does in the taxpayer
Speaker 2: dollars going to organizations like food Bank, thirty thousand businesses
Speaker 2: they've gone bus These are the people who, of course.
Speaker 1: Went out and tried to make their own life.
Speaker 2: Not part of the triangle of dependency, where you either
Speaker 2: work for the government, you get something for the government,
Speaker 2: or the government's your biggest client. Budget deficits aren't for
Speaker 2: the next four years, they're not for the next ten.
Speaker 2: They're for the next forty according to the Intergenerational Report,
Speaker 2: and we cross one trillion dollars in debt this year,
Speaker 2: one point two before the next election. Whenever you want
Speaker 2: to talk about things like schools where one in three
Speaker 2: a third of all school kids primary and high school
Speaker 2: don't make the basic standards, that's a culture war.
Speaker 1: When you care.
Speaker 2: About Australia day and what it means now and into
Speaker 2: the future, that's a culture war. When you decided to
Speaker 2: say no to the voice, you were a dinosaur or
Speaker 2: a dickhead. The Prime Minister has light how many times
Speaker 2: we kindly say each way out, But think of that
Speaker 2: as code for a bloke who doesn't tell the truth.
Speaker 1: Think about the bloke who's the fake.
Speaker 2: Working class man who really loves flying on the private
Speaker 2: plane that he names after his dog. And in Albonomics
Speaker 2: they give himselves a gold star and you go broke.
Speaker 1: Half a million.
Speaker 2: People have made their choice thus far when you make yours,
Speaker 2: think about all of that, James, what do I leave.
Speaker 1: Off the list? Well?
Speaker 13: I was on piling booth this afternoon in Rockampton and
Speaker 13: I was surprised at the volume of people that were
Speaker 13: still steadily coming through at that time. But there was
Speaker 13: a twenty minute weight as those piling doors opened at
Speaker 13: eight point thirty.
Speaker 5: That was on the Rocky booth.
Speaker 13: There was a weight of twenty to forty minutes in
Speaker 13: some of the Brisbane suburbs.
Speaker 5: There was a twenty.
Speaker 13: Minute weight down here in Upern this morning as well
Speaker 13: when doors opened, partly because the power went out. Well done,
Speaker 13: But look, these are some of the five hundred thousand people.
Speaker 13: They're just a portion of the eighteen and a half
Speaker 13: million voters that are eligible to vote this year, of
Speaker 13: which probably eighteen million will vote. We've got a really
Speaker 13: broken up election because all the public holidays we've at
Speaker 13: East at Anzac Day, I've got the school holidays, as
Speaker 13: you pointed out with your own girls, and then we've
Speaker 13: mixed up so many days where now we can early
Speaker 13: pole on Saturday this coming week to try and make
Speaker 13: up for those lost days, and then we end up
Speaker 13: with that. I was going to say another word, but
Speaker 13: that show earlier, it's the third debate that I found
Speaker 13: very boring.
Speaker 5: I thought, like you, I didn't like the format.
Speaker 13: I like it in front of an audience, so you
Speaker 13: can actually judge the reaction of an audience. But I've
Speaker 13: two previous debates that have been held. I haven't seen
Speaker 13: anyone inspired by either side, Labor or the Coalition. And
Speaker 13: I think for a lot of people on those piling
Speaker 13: booths today, yeah, they might be the ones that know
Speaker 13: who they're voting for. A lot of them didn't take
Speaker 13: how to vote cards, and then some wanted to send
Speaker 13: a very clear message by taking only one. So it
Speaker 13: was a bit mixed today. I couldn't get a judge.
Speaker 13: I thought Labored did very well, even in rock Hampton.
Speaker 2: All right, Joe, Well about another night a response to
Speaker 2: all of that list, because I'm sure you have quite
Speaker 2: the opposite list. But I want to move to something
Speaker 2: else here, which is a campaign being run again in
Speaker 2: the media, and it comes in lots of different ways
Speaker 2: and lots of different forms, and sometimes it comes up
Speaker 2: during during the three yes, in between, sometimes it's focused
Speaker 2: of an election, right, which is how many investment properties
Speaker 2: does your MP have? Do they have a family trust,
Speaker 2: all the rest of it? Right, I'm going to say
Speaker 2: this right now, unless you are somebody who is overtly
Speaker 2: out and about screaming like the Greens, and you end
Speaker 2: up with the Marine Ferrucis on the other side of
Speaker 2: what they are arguing. Ryan, I don't care why in
Speaker 2: part because with the pension rule being changed, Yes, two
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars a lot of money, right, three years,
Speaker 2: six hundred thousand in the Senate at one point whatever,
Speaker 2: one point two million dollars. Okay, that's all good money, right,
Speaker 2: but it's not forever life money, okay. So being able
Speaker 2: to set yourself up to be able to either take
Speaker 2: the pay cut out of business or trying to set
Speaker 2: yourself up to have a life after politics, all of
Speaker 2: that's important. But it seems that this sort of constant
Speaker 2: reporting on this stuff, what does it meant to expose
Speaker 2: is it's something that's sort of hypocritical about these people
Speaker 2: because I just see them as individuals trying to have
Speaker 2: a life before and after politics.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think everyone loves a bit of a gotcha
Speaker 11: or just a little bit of a sticky beacon, you
Speaker 11: know what do they got I don't think it actually
Speaker 11: plays out too badly because you'd almost be more surprised
Speaker 11: if politicians were.
Speaker 5: I mean, you get kicked out of parliament if you
Speaker 5: go bankrupt.
Speaker 11: So if you can't even manage your own personal finances
Speaker 11: as a politician, that's considered serious enough to actually be
Speaker 11: expelled from the parliament. That's the only thing apart from
Speaker 11: actually committing a jailable crime. So I think that's one
Speaker 11: of the things I think it's one of the reasons why,
Speaker 11: the reason why most people like the people I know
Speaker 11: who are most negatively geared not politicians.
Speaker 5: They are cops.
Speaker 11: They are one cop married to another, cops, three kids,
Speaker 11: two and I think they had three that've got absolutely
Speaker 11: no I think they had two houses, one they lived
Speaker 11: in obviously now and maybe a flat. I think they
Speaker 11: had absolutely no money in the bank. This was no
Speaker 11: shore or anything like that. This is just what they
Speaker 11: This was their.
Speaker 2: Entire because at the end of their putting the house
Speaker 2: on it and all the money falls into paying for
Speaker 2: their retirement.
Speaker 5: That that's exactly right.
Speaker 11: And that's why I think and that kind of that
Speaker 11: is the sort of sweet spot of aspiration or middle Australia.
Speaker 11: And that is why politicians don't cut negative gearing. And
Speaker 11: I think maybe there's a nudge nudge drinking. Oh they
Speaker 11: don't want to do it because they're all into it.
Speaker 11: Certainly plenty of them are, and plenty of Greens have
Speaker 11: took containing advantage.
Speaker 2: Well, and this is my thing, James, that I think
Speaker 2: the timing in and around this, in and around election, right,
Speaker 2: it's not about whether you know the information or not.
Speaker 2: You can go on the Parliamentary register at three out
Speaker 2: of and sixty if you want to do it on
Speaker 2: the middle of Christmas Day, it's available for you to
Speaker 2: go and have a look at right. I think dropping
Speaker 2: it into an election is overtly trying to breathe life
Speaker 2: into a Teal or a Green style campaign.
Speaker 13: Well, look, I don't have a problem with these people
Speaker 13: owning multiple homes, whether it be a politician or the
Speaker 13: blokenext order me who might have an investment. We all
Speaker 13: know that real estate is one of the best investments.
Speaker 13: That's why they call it blue chip. And when you
Speaker 13: see what's happened to the stock market in the last
Speaker 13: couple of weeks, you can see why people flock to
Speaker 13: bricks and mortar. But what I have a real problem
Speaker 13: with is hypocrisy, and when you've got the Greens out
Speaker 13: there and the tials sort of demonizing these people that
Speaker 13: have got one or two investment properties. And keep in
Speaker 13: mind how a lot of people end up with an
Speaker 13: investment property by the way they've lived in it and
Speaker 13: then habit I want to move because of work, or
Speaker 13: they've upsized because of family, and they often find that
Speaker 13: the tax benefits of putting it in the rental pool
Speaker 13: is actually a benefit to them and they end up
Speaker 13: with growing an asset.
Speaker 5: And of course, as we all know, we want.
Speaker 13: People to be successful so that they're not reliant on
Speaker 13: the pension laid down the track. But it's this whole
Speaker 13: argument that the Greens have run that demonizing these people,
Speaker 13: when the actual fact why we've got a housing shortage
Speaker 13: is we're allowing too many people into the country. Demonizing
Speaker 13: the people who've just used a legal tax measure to
Speaker 13: better themselves and also help those who can't afford a
Speaker 13: house or I've got people that live up the road
Speaker 13: for me, they don't want to be here any more
Speaker 13: than twelve months, so why are they going to go
Speaker 13: and buy a house. They're happy to rent for the
Speaker 13: meantime until they move on to the next job somewhere
Speaker 13: else in the state.
Speaker 5: To other things say.
Speaker 11: The other thing is that the Greens are behind the
Speaker 11: eight ball because the housing crisis is now so acute
Speaker 11: that it's a rental crisis more than it is a
Speaker 11: first home ownership crisis, and so you actually want to
Speaker 11: encourage more investment in housing.
Speaker 1: Well, which does bring me to if there.
Speaker 2: Is an underperformance of the Greens, and I think we
Speaker 2: can put it down to a lot of their social
Speaker 2: anti semitic all that stuff, right, But they've run so
Speaker 2: hard on the federal government getting involved in the private
Speaker 2: rental market that I would have thought that their growth
Speaker 2: would have been in those high rental seats.
Speaker 1: But presumably it's not happening.
Speaker 11: I'm sorry to double it, but yeah, I'm told that
Speaker 11: the thing that's really hurting the Greens is not the
Speaker 11: anti semitism. It is the housing stuff, and is the
Speaker 11: fact that they blocked at Labour's housing bill for so long,
Speaker 11: while jumping up and down and saying we need to
Speaker 11: do more about housing. Fix is better, and the Greens
Speaker 11: like to brag that there are people who support them,
Speaker 11: high information voters, and they were high information af to
Speaker 11: realize that this stank, It was reaked of hypocrisy. You
Speaker 11: had their housing spokesperson who was also opposing housing development
Speaker 11: in his own electorate, yes, which he stole from Labor
Speaker 11: quite unfairly, I thought in mind view. And so that's
Speaker 11: why they're optimistic of cloring back at least one, maybe
Speaker 11: two or even three seats in Brisbane.
Speaker 2: All right, well we'll see what happens. Interestingly, by the way,
Speaker 2: Sky News is the one that's going to have the debate.
Speaker 2: I think in the next couple of days around three
Speaker 2: o'clock we'll have some good local marginal seat debates.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to seeing that.
Speaker 2: I believe the Brisbone one is coming up, I think
Speaker 2: on Thursday, or double check and tell you on the
Speaker 2: other side when it comes to exactly when. But you'll
Speaker 2: see all of them battling it out here again. We
Speaker 2: love it, from the leader's debate to the seats to
Speaker 2: the pub tests to all the rest of it.
Speaker 1: We're so across it. We love it no matter what's happening.
Speaker 2: Quickly from politics for a second, a little breather for everyone.
Speaker 2: At RSL Club in Sydney's decided no two up on
Speaker 2: Anzac Day. Why because too many loons end up turning up,
Speaker 2: getting massively sourced carrying on. And I've got to say,
Speaker 2: while it's a lovely little tradition, I kind of agree
Speaker 2: that it's a little bit out of control and there's
Speaker 2: this sort of performative thing where they're not there to go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the ANZACs, there's no moment of silence. They've gone on
Speaker 2: the cans the night before, they've slept until midday, then
Speaker 2: they turn up in the afternoon to carry on like chucks.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: The RSL said, you know what, No, let's go back
Speaker 2: to basics here. Look everyone, I'll probably play a game
Speaker 2: of it all the rest of it, right, But James,
Speaker 2: I do think that we have let this thing become
Speaker 2: a really lazy way of recognizing the reason that that
Speaker 2: day is a public holiday for a lot of people.
Speaker 13: Well, Paul, I'm just questioning why they don't throw those chooks,
Speaker 13: as you call them out why have they got to
Speaker 13: stay on the premises. There's a responsible service of alcohol
Speaker 13: that every premises has to have, and if you too
Speaker 13: sour st up, you shouldn't be there. Get them out.
Speaker 13: The game of two ups should go on. I enjoy
Speaker 13: just watching it. I'm not much of a fan of
Speaker 13: losing money because the one and only time I've played,
Speaker 13: I lost about one hundred bucks and that was enough
Speaker 13: for me. So I enjoy watching people get carried away
Speaker 13: and have a bit of a win too. But yeah,
Speaker 13: throw the chucks out, as you say, and let the
Speaker 13: game play on to shame people spoil things for others.
Speaker 2: To me, it be one of those things Joe where
Speaker 2: and I've seen this in lots of pubs. Look, if
Speaker 2: it's accompanied with people singing the songs of previous times,
Speaker 2: it just doesn't seem to be.
Speaker 1: A recognition around the game.
Speaker 5: It's the performance. I had the exact same reaction with you.
Speaker 5: I was like, how dare that this is outrageous?
Speaker 13: Oh?
Speaker 5: Actually, sense, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 11: It was the veterans and their families who requested a
Speaker 11: more sort of warm family atmospe that wasn't loud, that.
Speaker 5: Wasn't raucus to James's point.
Speaker 11: The truth is he can be a bit loud and
Speaker 11: drunk and ruining the atmosphere of a place without actually
Speaker 11: breaking any rules or breaking the lawn.
Speaker 5: So it can be probably a bit hard to burn
Speaker 5: them out.
Speaker 11: But anyone who's been in North bind irsl knows that's
Speaker 11: at that combination between sort of real veneration when they
Speaker 11: pause for the minute silence and everything, and you know,
Speaker 11: the most hedonistic young crowd that you could you know,
Speaker 11: glamour pusses, you know, the pains you could possibly imagine.
Speaker 11: And I think you're absolutely right. I think there's a
Speaker 11: lot of people who pay lip service to the tradition.
Speaker 11: It's performative. An Zach King, I don't think there's sort
Speaker 11: of people you see at the dawn service, correct.
Speaker 2: But also but even if even if you're a pub
Speaker 2: and you're running this, I'd love to see the social
Speaker 2: media videos because I think one of the coolest moments
Speaker 2: on Anzac Day, and I'm sorry to use that word
Speaker 2: but it is, is the minute silence at the MCG
Speaker 2: before a foota game like that is that's amazing moment.
Speaker 2: I love if, like half an hour into these games,
Speaker 2: all the clubs and pubs agreed that was a minute
Speaker 2: silence and that again would be this beautiful moment. We'd
Speaker 2: see anyway, some ideas for people in the next of
Speaker 2: the wall. All right, now we're interestingly meet to somebody
Speaker 2: who's running for the Senate for One Nation in Victoria.
Speaker 2: His name's Warren Pickering. So James, thank you for your time, Joe,
Speaker 2: thank you for yours. Let's have a chat to the
Speaker 2: blow you'd like to be a Senator from Victoria. Next
Speaker 2: on a second, we know that One Nation is doing
Speaker 2: very well at the moment when it comes to the polls,
Speaker 2: their national vote seems to be up on where it
Speaker 2: was three years ago. It could be anywhere from two
Speaker 2: maybe four points up, and once you start to break
Speaker 2: its state by state, it is an interesting picture, meaning
Speaker 2: we could get some new faces in the Senate, which
Speaker 2: may will end up being the case. Warren Pickering is
Speaker 2: the candidate for One Nation when it comes to Victoria,
Speaker 2: and he's been fighting for that final spot that'll be
Speaker 2: decided of course, over the next couple of weeks and
Speaker 2: then known a couple of weeks after that, Warren joins us. Now, Warren,
Speaker 2: get a mate, why do you want to be a polly.
Speaker 9: Look, mate, I wouldn't say that I want to, but
Speaker 9: one its a matter of necessity. Let's be honest. We
Speaker 9: need more real people to get involved in the political
Speaker 9: things and this is the best way to continue to
Speaker 9: provide a service for my community.
Speaker 1: So here we are, all right, let's talk about your past.
Speaker 2: A former Army combat engineer and you've been around politics
Speaker 2: as well. Tell me about your time in the service,
Speaker 2: which of course we thank you for.
Speaker 9: Oh, you know, you're very welcome. Look, my service was
Speaker 9: both an honor and a privilege. So my service began
Speaker 9: as a full time combat engineer in the Australian Army
Speaker 9: in about twenty thirteen, combat operations in combat zones, as
Speaker 9: a trainer instructor to Iraq, and humanitarian a disaster relief
Speaker 9: operations around the planet. So look, it was both an
Speaker 9: honor and privilege, as I said, Looking since then, I
Speaker 9: moved back to Victoria a few years ago. Engage One
Speaker 9: Nation Party the only vehicle that I've ever seen and
Speaker 9: the only party that I've ever supported that I believe
Speaker 9: can be the catalyst for change in this country. So
Speaker 9: I threw my hand up to run and was nominated
Speaker 9: to run on the Senate ticket in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 9: We didn't expect to do well and we didn't do
Speaker 9: too badly. So since then we've thrown a bit more
Speaker 9: at it twenty twenty two. Contrary to what most people think,
Speaker 9: they think because Senator Hanson has been around since nineteen
Speaker 9: ninety eight, we've nineteen ninety six, we've been firmly established
Speaker 9: in Victoria all this time, but we haven't. So the
Speaker 9: reality is twenty twenty two we run our first state
Speaker 9: election in Victoria.
Speaker 5: We utilize there well.
Speaker 9: I believe it's a subversion of democratic process, the group
Speaker 9: voting ticket in the Socialist Republic of Victoria, but we
Speaker 9: managed it to good effect. We managed to get an
Speaker 9: elected member up, missus Ricky Lee Tyrell for Northern Victoria region.
Speaker 9: So since then we've actually established the party in Victoria.
Speaker 9: And look, I'll be honest, mate, there's never been more
Speaker 9: appetite for this party in Victoria than there is right now.
Speaker 9: It's fantastic time to be a part of the One
Speaker 9: Nation Party in Victoria.
Speaker 2: Good stuff, breath the fresh air. People liking what they're
Speaker 2: seeing on the telly. Right now, let's talk about priorities
Speaker 2: and areas of policy focus.
Speaker 1: Reducing red tape is something that you'd like to do,
Speaker 1: But why would you like to do that?
Speaker 9: Well, because we know red tape, among other things, is
Speaker 9: such an impediment to business, especially in the state of Victoria.
Speaker 9: So we've had one hundred and twenty three thousand businesses
Speaker 9: close or move in a state in twenty twenty three alone.
Speaker 9: So that's without last year, which was arguably worse from
Speaker 9: my perspective.
Speaker 5: You know, we're suffering a.
Speaker 9: Housing shortage and we've had a seventy percent increase in
Speaker 9: construction companies filing for insolvency.
Speaker 5: How does that even occur?
Speaker 9: You know, it's effectively red tape and taxes, and that's
Speaker 9: what we've seen too much of in Victoria. Granted it's
Speaker 9: as largely a state issue when you refer to the taxes,
Speaker 9: because again we've seen sixty sixty new or increased taxes
Speaker 9: in Victoria in a decade. Now, that's evident of a
Speaker 9: state and federal government if I'm honest, suffering from serious
Speaker 9: fiscal literacy, and Victorian's are feeling it. Victoria is now
Speaker 9: the worst state in the country to do business in.
Speaker 5: It's disgusting.
Speaker 2: Now, I certainly know that the income splitting gets a
Speaker 2: lot of people's heads nodding, particularly barbecues, and in the real
Speaker 2: world of the one nation policy offerings, does get that surprising?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, maybe I didn't know you were about.
Speaker 9: That, So I find one of the big ones most
Speaker 9: people expect one nation to be, you know, you know,
Speaker 9: have immigration caps and whatever else. But I don't think
Speaker 9: people until now have understood what we were in, you know,
Speaker 9: our intent by these They just thought we must have
Speaker 9: been being racist, But the reality is nothing. There's nothing
Speaker 9: racist about wanting to protect your country. And we've seen
Speaker 9: what one point eight million people come in within three years,
Speaker 9: and it's completely unsustainable. You know, this has caused the
Speaker 9: strain on all of our services and exacerbated that the
Speaker 9: housing shortage and the cost of living crisis. So look,
Speaker 9: while it's not a surprise to people to hear that
Speaker 9: we obviously have strict policy on immigration, it is a
Speaker 9: surprise to people that it's developed from a place of
Speaker 9: economic management and and economic literacy rather than you know,
Speaker 9: just deciding we want to shut the gates and not
Speaker 9: allow our people into our country. So people have been
Speaker 9: amenable to that discussion, more so now than they previously
Speaker 9: have and that's what I've found. I've been on prepol
Speaker 9: all day today and as you've previously said, I think, mate,
Speaker 9: this election could potentially be won or lost in the
Speaker 9: suburban areas of both Melbourne and Sydney, and that's what
Speaker 9: I'm seeing on the ground today, and people are having
Speaker 9: these conversations. I've been specifically today out in the southeastern
Speaker 9: suburbs and there's a lot of people of ethnic origins
Speaker 9: and ethnic backgrounds that have actually been very amenable to
Speaker 9: voting One Nation. I think you know that there's a
Speaker 9: feeling on the ground that people have had enough and
Speaker 9: they don't know how best to affect the fruit of
Speaker 9: them in process change.
Speaker 1: I'm going to jump in, mate, for give me.
Speaker 5: That's entirely the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got to keep the ads going, all right,
Speaker 2: so we'll get that in the moment or two. Is
Speaker 2: time One Nation dot org today if you want more
Speaker 2: information all the be's nice to meet you, mate, good luck,
Speaker 2: thank you see tomorrow.
Speaker 11: By tak