WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 22 March 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.720 The Sky Center. This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:09.080 You are so lucky if you were watching Sharry for 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.879 the past hour, because the debate on Channel Line sucked. 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:16.479 It really sucked. The format was garbage. Most of the 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.280 questions were garbage. Okay, a little swing here, a little 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:22.920 swing there, to give us a little bit of source 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.960 to throw on the meat here tonight. But honestly, you 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.240 didn't miss much. You truly didn't miss much. That said, 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.239 there are five things worth pointing out. We will talk 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:33.720 about them and debate them, but I'm not going to 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.640 pretend this was the most riveting debate you've ever seen. 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.839 It is almost as forgotten as you forgot that it 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:41.040 was even on, and I'm glad. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:41.199 That you did. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.000 Thanks for watching us here on PULLMRIW Life here on 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:46.080 scot Us tonight. We'll do analysis with Chris Kenny Joe 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.479 Hildebrand in a second, and then we'll have plenty of 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.640 fun for the rest of the show, as well as 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:52.559 introduce you to somebody who I think is going to 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:54.800 make quite an impact in the Senate should they get elected. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:55.880 But yep, let's get to it. 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.120 The five things you need to know about this debate. 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.640 Number one Dunton yet again nailed the Prime Minister on 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:06.240 this medi caare medi scare lie. They keep saying it. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.520 They lied directly to the Australians each and every day. 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:11.560 The media never take them up on it because they 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:13.120 don't dest they don't want to be left off the 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.440 Christmas card list of the bloke did they think or 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.440 want to win? So I liked when Peter Dutton did 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:19.760 this on National TV. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:22.959 When we were in government and I was the Health Minister. 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.920 Hospital funding went up by sixteen percent and the Prime 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.120 Minister stands here with a straight face and says what 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.000 he knows not to be true. And I think again 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:34.560 it'd be great to see him called out because he 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:38.800 continues to repeat these mistruths and Australians deserve. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.200 Better from it. Well in their Prime Minister now. 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.639 You described it as a cut if you were twenty 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:46.360 fourteen budget described it as a cut as a saving 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:47.120 if you'll. 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.280 Been honest, A bit that fifty and. 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:52.520 Health each and thirty B and and education every year 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:56.000 the population is increasing. You had the allocation that had 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:59.720 been previously put in the budget prior to you coming 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.560 to World Office. You ripped eighty billion dollars out of 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:04.840 those two items in two thousand and. 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.200 Four, Minister, you couldn't slice straight in bed. Honestly, this 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:08.120 is unbelievable. 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:09.200 It can go to abuse. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:11.480 Well, it's just the abuse. 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.760 That's a sign of desperation, Tea Frankly, as he's lying, 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:16.880 that's a sign of desperation. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.960 Again, just a small thing, right like, Look, I'm a 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:22.760 lucky bugger to do this job, but I've been doing 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.480 it for long enough. If you do things that don't 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.440 address the camera, it means you are not talking to 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.800 the people at home. Again, the way it was all 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.239 set up is that you have the moderator who wasn't 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.120 between the two candidates, but was between the two elements 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:37.720 of the debate, which is all of the people who 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.120 work for the different things the channel ie owns and 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:44.080 the two candidates. The candidates were then always either looking 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.360 at each other or looking at the host, or looking 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:49.079 at which meant see, they're never actually looking at you. 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:51.680 I found that irritating for the hour. Remember it is 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.920 about you, but this was one of those little media 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.320 examples where it was about them. 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:57.360 But I like that moment. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.280 Phil Coury, though I'm not going to throw him as 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.720 out with the Bathwater. Here he was best on ground 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.200 the blog from the Financial Review. I think he's one 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.079 of the best in the Camber Press Gallery. So every 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.440 time I bag the Camber Press Gallery, imagine there's an 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.200 asterisk next to it. And Philip Kurry is the exception 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.799 to that rule. Here's what he said when it came 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:16.640 to cost of living. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:17.160 Good question. 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.480 Remember number one issue should have been the whole debate 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:21.440 rather than well, just this bit. 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.919 Mister Albert, As you said three years ago that people 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.160 would be better off under labor at the end of 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:27.840 the first term. 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.399 I would suspect that's most people don't think. 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.680 Tard me thinks that that's the case at the moment. 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.520 So why should voters trust you to give you trust 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.080 you for another three years. 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.960 Well, Phil, we understand that many people are doing it tough, 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.160 which is why we've provided significant cost of living relief, 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.160 but we've had to do it in a way that 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.960 put that downward pressure on inflation as a result, inflation 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:52.240 as a two in front of it. 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.320 Are you prepared to repeat that pledge that in another 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:55.080 three years time. 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.440 Oh, we certainly want people to be better off in 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.320 three years time, and that is what it's to be the. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.560 Problem was three years ago you promised they would be 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:08.560 that promise clearly broken. Elections are looking back at the 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.440 job of the past three years and deciding do you 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.760 rehire the same people to do the same job. Do 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:18.040 you reward just a different version of the same lie again, 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.080 Philip coury again with a question where he takes up 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.400 to date. Well done, team, where it takes up to 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.320 date the question around the budget. 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.080 Now again, Phill's the. 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.880 Type of person who, like you, me, Joe and Chris, 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.240 we count the grains of sand on the beach. It 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.560 seemed that this debate was pitched to the people who 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.560 needed to be reminded there was a beach, Which is 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.400 why the Prime Minister can turn around and sort of 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.200 pretend what the history was, pretend that he's fighting the 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.560 twenty and twelve election, or the two thousand and seven election, 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.839 or the twenty and fifty two election, because his assumption 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.680 is that most people don't follow the detail. Well, thankfully 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.080 Phil does, which meant he was able to poke this 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.080 one straight in the middle of the Prime Minister's garbage. 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:01.080 PM. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.760 Look, you mentioned your two surpluses tonight and if we 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.679 can just take issue the seventy eight billion you inheritor 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.520 was actually deficit was actually a forecast. The actual number 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:10.800 was thirty one billion. 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.160 When what was forecast by the former gouvern. 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.440 Sure, but the actual number was thirty one and next 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.680 to your forecasting a forty two billion dollar surplus, which 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.559 is bigger in both dollar terms and as a share 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.560 of the economy. So you could argue the budget's actually 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:25.960 worse it in terms of deficit. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:32.159 Ooh, facts, facts, it actually matters, It should matter. I 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.120 think it's going to matter to more people, and that's 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:35.720 going to be some part of a surprise in some 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.280 seats in some places because again. 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.360 The media think it's all about Trump. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.880 Hook hook, it's all about you know, lies that are 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.479 ten years old from the Labor Party, or lies that 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.719 have been how many elections in a row when it 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.040 comes to medicare, despite the fact that the Liberal Party 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.360 always spends more each and every year and in this 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.640 election is promising to spend even more. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.280 Than the Labor Party feeding which. 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:02.880 Brings me to what I think was one of the 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:07.880 stage directions for the way this debate was put together. Now, 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.360 obviously media organizations, they have their way of doing things 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.200 or what they think the audience wants. 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.320 I think that was part of the. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.239 Construction of this debate, which was about trying to finish 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.800 off Peter Dutton. If they were able to do so, 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.440 then what they would like to get to, which is 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:26.559 the coronation of the great lefty king, the twenty first 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:32.039 century Hawk, the twenty second century Whitlam. Because have a 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.520 look at the questions, and again when the questions were 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.480 a bit of a surprise, that always got to Dutton first, 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.080 giving Albo a chance to think of the smart answer 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.280 for the comparing contrast, just a little thing, but we 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:43.240 notice this stuff. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.479 You've had your fair share of stumbles and one memorable 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.960 policy backflip on the work from home. 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:51.320 But probably one of. 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.920 The bigger factors, overriding factors, has been a tendency of 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:57.680 voters to associate you in a negative fashion with Donald Trump. 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.400 What do you say to those voters out there, I 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.760 think you're alive version of the unpopular US president. 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:03.599 Mister Dutton. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.640 Given Phil's point there that people aren't feeling better, why 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.400 aren't you miles ahead in this election? And more to 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.000 the point, why are you seemingly quite a long way 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.920 behind when it comes to women of a working age. 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.640 Mister Dutton, is it still the best use of taxpayer 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.880 dollars to be harving the fel exides? Do you still 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.560 think that you would be the only leader on earth 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.880 to get a better deal for Australia on Tarrett's but not. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:27.760 The talking points? 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.240 Not we've heard that time. 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.000 What do you stand mister Dutton. We don't see a 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.440 lot of your softer side. Do you think that your 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.440 time as a police officer led you to have a 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:39.960 black and white view of the world? 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.600 Now, perfect example that last question there, right, what do 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.640 you do? There's the natural personality that says I beg 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.720 your pardon. Of course, the real answer is, look, yes, 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:55.559 a serious person who works hard on serious things, things 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.480 like the border, things like police, things like building my 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:00.440 own business. And yes, I'm not going to be a 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.160 flashy prime minister who's going to be firing the money 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.679 cannon the way that this bloke does. But I promise 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.280 you this will turn up each and every day blah. 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:09.560 Blah blah blah blah bah blah. 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.120 But of course in his head. And this is the 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.800 way the media works, right, The psychological warfare of just a. 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.040 Bash bash bash bash bash bash bash. 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.760 The multi front attack on your personality is well, if 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.360 I'm too aggressive, they're going to interpret that. So it's 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:29.720 all designed to become a fumble. And then if it 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:31.840 becomes a fumble, then see he's not up to the seat. 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:33.440 That's what I'm saying about. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:37.400 Just all of the little again right game, recognize this game. Okay, 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:39.600 I put a bit of thinking into what I say 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.480 on the telly. I'm assuming they put a bit of 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.320 thinking into what they said on the telly. I'm assuming 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:48.880 the very same television network that remember was running Mission 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:55.160 Accomplished months months before inflation was anywhere between two and 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.440 three percent, are the same people making the decision. They 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:03.080 like the current administration for whatever reason. And this multi 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:04.320 host thing sucks. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.320 It really sucks. 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.840 Because in the people's forum we have a moderator who 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.240 can follow up. But the point of the debate is 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.280 members of public asker question. The X factor is they 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.320 don't ask a question like a reporter, and because they're 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.439 not a reporter, they have to answer it nice good format, right, 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.920 ABC format that they decided to go with single host 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:26.959 meant you could follow up and we got the moments 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.400 like we did about our bow failing to be able 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:31.800 to say when power prices were going down. But if 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.040 everyone gets a turn in your two and you never 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.600 get a momentum up to start to say, this is 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:37.440 the meaty part. 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:38.520 And remember what. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.320 Did Mike Tyson say, Everyone's got a plan in a 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.319 fight until we get punched in the face. So okay, 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:46.199 everyone had their moment. It's TV fairness. If someone's got 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:47.880 the better question, then let's do that for the next 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.160 five minutes. But sadly, again, it just wasn't that way. 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.040 And I like Alie, okay, so this is not me 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.240 whacking into her. It's the way the thing was constructed. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:57.880 All right. Again, I like. 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.520 Phil, but it's the way this thing was constructed. 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:00.920 Okay. 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.000 So the multipanel thing garbage because it also means that 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.600 when everyone gets a turn, you don't get to things 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.800 that matter to people, right, you don't talk about immigration 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.760 in a proper sense. Prime and is still still rubbing 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:15.920 this garbage in that the reason the net migration was 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:20.200 higher was because Australians were coming home. They're already Australians. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.000 They don't count in that overall number. But he's just 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.559 allowed to say it and nobody doubles up on it. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.280 Because this is the debate for the people who just 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.880 remember the beaches. They're not the people who count come on. 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.600 This is the very rare opportunity, once every three years 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.760 to actually hold them to a little bit of detail. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.720 That said, it did like one thing about the debate, 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.120 and it's a mark of most of the TV debates, 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:45.880 and it'll be the same one for Channel seven, which 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:47.600 is coming up on Sunday. And don't you lugh have 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.080 every other TV station doesn't mention the other TV station 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.319 the debates are on. You see, I'm adult enough to 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.360 realize that while this is the best and you're watching 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.160 this right now and we're number one in your head, 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:02.040 in your heart old school TV, there's one hundred options, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:04.560 and then there's this, and then there's this, and then 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:05.440 there's this, and then there's this. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:06.720 I know them all right. 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:08.680 So when it's on Channel two, I'll say it's on 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:10.280 Channel two. When it's on Channel seven, I say it's 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.600 on Channel seve. I'm gonna say commercial TV. What was 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:17.760 the wankers from the ABC A paywall subscription TV? 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.800 Please pull the other one who plays jingle bells? But 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:22.920 I did like that. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.000 They've always sort of go for that, So what do 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.080 you want to say that's nice about each other? And 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.679 what I like about this is because they squirm, right, 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.800 because they overly hate each other, and why wouldn't they. 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.320 It's the Grand Final, it's the start of the third quarter. 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:37.640 I'm pretty sure both of the players who might get 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.000 on the cans when they go to Bali after the game. 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:41.840 I'm not going to have much to say before the 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:45.880 game is over, but it's fun watching them squirm. 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.960 Prime Minister, you've called mister Dutton means spirited and cold hearted? 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.560 What are three things you admire about him? 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.680 Three? 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.760 I only ever prepare for one problem. Let me say this. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:02.800 He bat's way above his average with. 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:08.640 Kirily. He has a terrific family. I've had the privilege 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:13.040 and he clearly cares about them, and that's a terrific thing. 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.760 Longevity in politics, he's we've been in Parliament for basically 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.240 the same amount of time, almost both been there for 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.480 more than twenty years. That's an achievement. And Peter in 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:30.040 that time as well, has had a tough seat that 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:34.000 he's contested consistently over a long period of time. 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:34.600 There you go. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.640 It was a glowing endorsement, wasn't I rested Upton. Now 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.360 you've called mister Alben Easy the weakest prime minister we've 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.720 had since federation. Can you say something nice and to 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:44.280 make it fair? 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:44.880 Three things? 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.040 Well, I'll start with family as well, and I admire 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:53.400 the Prime Minister's fathership. Nathan's a great young bloke. And 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.440 similarly with Jody. I've come to know Jody and meet 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:59.640 her at different events and have a great deal of 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.560 respect for them both, and I wish them well. 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:04.199 As well. 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.680 And truly the case, I again acknowledged the Prime Minister's 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:13.439 support of AUCAS from opposition, and it wasn't an easy outcome. 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.959 As he pointed out, he was satisfied that nuclear energy 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.280 was safe, but he'd got that through caucus, which was 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.959 a difficult thing. And Aucas when we negotiated it, it was 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:27.600 about underpinning our security for the next century. And that's three. 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:29.440 Isn't it all right? 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:31.760 Joining me now, Chris Kenny, Joe Hildebrand, Chris, what are 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.240 three things you could say that's nice about I. 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:35.680 Do love it right, and I liked it about it. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.319 We only prepare for one right, but it is that thing. 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:40.920 It is. It's I get why they asked the question, 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:42.160 but the. 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.480 Idea that these have got to be dancing monkeys as 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:45.240 well as people. 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.199 You're going to premiership, you've got to be quick on 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:48.959 your feet. He should have said what I like about Albo. 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.640 He supports Ozzie Rules because I've seen him in a 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.280 Hawthorne scarf. Secondly, I like that he supports Ozzie Rules 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.440 because I seen him in a Collingwood scarf. I likely 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.120 supports the AFL because I've seen him in a swanscar. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:06.160 Yes, well done, a lady and coming out all right. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.000 Now we'll get to the boring of it in a second, 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.160 but let's put that to one side because obviously I 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:11.840 don't want to have a conversation about how boring something 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.400 he is, because that is a boring conversation in and 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.520 of itself. But of what you saw, Apparently that panel, 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.680 by the way, host not including down Allison Langdon two 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.560 to one said Dotton won the debate. Try and work 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:25.040 out who the breakdown was. Peter, Sorry, Chris, your thoughts off, 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:26.280 Peter dun't and Anthony Evenuez. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:27.680 Look, you know I agree with you that it was 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:29.960 a bit too boring. There's no doubt that Peter Dutton 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.000 tried to go the biff. He tried to attack Anthony 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.920 Alban easy. I think he's got to go harder. Sure, 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.800 we know you're appealing to swinging voters and they might 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:40.960 not like the aggressive politics and the like, but you've 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:42.920 kind of got one shot in the locker year. He's 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.160 running out of time and Albo is telling lies. Albo 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:51.040 is running a false campaign about six hundred billion dollar 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.680 nuclear plants and fanciful work cuts to medicare. In the light, 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:56.200 you've got to call him out, but you've got to 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.440 do it hard enough so that you put Albow on 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.440 the back foot. And he didn't really embarrass embarrass our 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.960 Bow tonight. It was too comfortable for him, partly because 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:05.280 of the sum of the things you said about the 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:06.920 questioning and breaking up the flow. 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:08.120 I thought that the. 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.920 Biggest harm that Albow suffered tonight was at his own hand, 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.640 and it was from that question from Phil Corey. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:16.880 And this is a bloke who said, I'm going to 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:18.400 lower your cost of living. 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:20.600 I'm going to lower your mortgages, I'm going to lower 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.280 interest rates, I'm going to lower your electricity prices. And 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.640 the best he could say this time, he says, well, 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:29.000 I want everyone to be better off in three years time. Bang, 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.080 that shows how you've blown your promises and you haven't 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.320 got the balls to promise it again because you know 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:35.240 no one will believe you. 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.240 Funnily enough, here it is. 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:40.480 Are you prepared to repeat that pledge that in another 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:41.280 three years time? 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:41.480 Oh? 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.840 We certainly want people to be better off in three 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:46.480 years time, and that is what it's about. 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.760 That's his promise, right, We all want to be better off, mate. 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.400 It's supposed to be your job to do something about it, 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:54.080 all right, Joe. 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.320 Greatest performance of the greatest prime minister of all time, 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.440 no doubt the signal messages between yourself, Antony Otherne and 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.680 Pete Higss whatsoever. 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.160 We just communicate telepathically. 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:05.760 No. 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.560 I thought it was actually done strongest debate performance to date. 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:13.280 But again, unfortunately and Dudden has been very star crossed 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.560 in this election campaign. He's had a lot of bad luck. 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.400 There's been a lot of own goals and you know, 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:19.600 grenades dropped his. 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.760 Feet as well. But he has had bad luck. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.840 And I think this was the most boring debate of 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:26.720 the three we've had so far. But it was also 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.320 the one that Dunton actually did the best, that I 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:32.800 actually thought him taking the PM on bulk billing rates 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.480 was stronger than arguing over whether they did or didn't 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:37.400 cut the budget. 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.320 And the best thing about a boring debate is people 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.280 turn off, right, So and that was that was that 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:42.920 was frontlinered. 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:43.880 That was first five. 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.840 I mean right, yeah, I found it really I was obviously, 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.480 you know, doing the cryptic crossword on the side. So 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.280 I thought it was sort of about a draw, probably 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.120 because I think the PM is just so sort of 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.200 match fit at this sort of stuff, and he does 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.440 it by just kind of just throwing a kind of 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.360 fire blanket on everything he gets asked, and he's sort 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.760 of and the way he answers, for example, Phil Corey 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:06.440 and I share you. I'm with you on Phil Corey. 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.439 I think he's one of the best journals around. But 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:10.800 the way he basically of course because he's the one 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.159 who voted for albow, the one who says that he 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.639 won but the other two said it was done, but 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.520 also the one that was toughest on him as well, 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.800 which I think speaks to his his his integrity and intelligence. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.800 But again, so you know, he says, you know, will 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.960 you say this thing that you said last time? And Albow. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.360 I called it tactical obfuscation, pretends that. 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:39.480 Tactically he there to answer the question. 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.560 You answer as though what you said last time was 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.400 that you wanted people to be better off, and there 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.720 is no thing. But I think just the fact that 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.879